| 00:48.40 | Leeds | ibot change 31272000000 hkd to gbp |
| 00:49.42 | Leeds | total football gambling revenue for 2005/2006 at the Hong Kong Jockey Club, the monopoly gambling operator |
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| 05:28.12 | mozrat | Hey Leeds how was your trip? |
| 05:42.17 | Leeds | not bad... big blisters |
| 05:42.56 | Leeds | my one purchase in one of Asia's great shopping cities was me-sized trousers from M&S :-) |
| 05:43.25 | mozrat | heh |
| 06:43.57 | morsing | 'morning |
| 06:44.07 | mozrat | hey morsing |
| 06:44.15 | morsing | mozzie! |
| 06:44.40 | mozrat | How was your weekend? |
| 06:45.29 | morsing | Cool :) And something not so cool :( |
| 06:46.00 | morsing | Yours? |
| 06:47.51 | mozrat | hot! |
| 06:48.41 | Leeds | morsing: problem? |
| 06:59.42 | George | moo. |
| 07:01.16 | Leeds | morning George |
| 07:01.54 | mozrat | hello George |
| 07:03.54 | George | hi. |
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| 07:38.29 | mozrat | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:38.44 | mozrat | Hmm, without the leading spaces |
| 07:43.00 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 07:49.38 | mozrat | I had to describe it as "You see that porsche? And the Merc behind it? Mines the piece of shit behind that!" |
| 07:49.46 | Leeds | heh |
| 07:49.54 | SlayerXP | i need a cheap runaround |
| 07:50.15 | mozrat | got here at 0600 |
| 07:50.30 | mozrat | which a) avoided congestion and b) avoided the congestion charge |
| 07:53.14 | Leeds | is cab considered public transport? |
| 07:54.03 | mozrat | I don't think so |
| 07:54.05 | mozrat | Maybe |
| 07:56.02 | SlayerXP | yes |
| 07:57.48 | Leeds | anyway, total journey cost was about $38, which isn't bad |
| 07:58.08 | mozrat | Leeds: when do you finish your job? |
| 07:58.13 | Leeds | 25/8 |
| 07:58.34 | mozrat | a week |
| 08:00.10 | Leeds | no, next month |
| 08:00.22 | Leeds | unless I was in Singapore for a lot longer than I thought... |
| 08:01.05 | mozrat | duh, yes |
| 08:01.10 | mozrat | we are in July.. |
| 08:02.01 | morsing | Leeds |
| 08:02.30 | Leeds | morsing? |
| 08:02.32 | morsing | Mmm... July. 35 dergrees |
| 08:02.39 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 08:04.38 | Leeds | morsing! :-) |
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| 08:14.08 | morsing | huw-l! |
| 08:20.40 | huw-l | morning |
| 08:21.45 | Leeds | I may have to do something to get out of the habit of writing 2000+ word blog entries... |
| 08:23.04 | mozrat | heh |
| 08:23.35 | Leeds | that's post 1 of 3 for today |
| 08:24.17 | Leeds | 1) Singapore 2) Israel/Lebanon, part 2 3) World Cup, part 2 |
| 08:24.54 | mozrat | Point 2 is a bit of a mess at the moment |
| 08:25.04 | Leeds | did you read my part 1? |
| 08:25.10 | mozrat | Not yet |
| 08:25.19 | Leeds | are you waiting for part 2? |
| 08:26.14 | mozrat | Not really. I was just commenting that Israel/Lebanon is a mess |
| 08:26.39 | Leeds | and did you read my attempt to explain some of the background? |
| 08:26.44 | mozrat | up way too early this morning |
| 08:26.50 | mozrat | I read your last post on Israel |
| 08:26.52 | mozrat | last week |
| 08:26.57 | Leeds | on Thursday? |
| 08:27.04 | mozrat | Yes |
| 08:27.13 | Leeds | right, got to write part 2 of that |
| 08:27.29 | Leeds | also, Planet Gllug doesn't point to my blog |
| 08:30.17 | mozrat | oh. It doesn;t |
| 08:30.31 | mozrat | and that link times out - is priorityinversion dead now? |
| 08:30.41 | Leeds | yeah, pretty much |
| 08:31.43 | Leeds | thing is, I didn't really want to add my new one to the site until I'd worked out how to make it put summaries in the (or a) feed - don't really want to flood the site out with essays, rather than short posts |
| 08:32.36 | mozrat | Most blogs have a "read more" option |
| 08:32.41 | Leeds | still haven't worked out how to do that... should probably post the question to pybloxsom's mailing list |
| 08:32.44 | mozrat | which blog server are you using? |
| 08:32.51 | mozrat | pyblosxom.. |
| 08:33.02 | Leeds | yeah, always get that confused |
| 08:34.33 | Leeds | http://ascher.ca/blog/2004/09/20/pyblosxom-plugin-emsummaryem-emakaem-extended-entry/ or something might work, but I'd prefer it to be more automatic - take the first couple of <p>'s or something, rather than having to mark up the published part specially |
| 08:35.25 | Leeds | the solution, of course, would be for me to work out how plugins actually work and write my own |
| 08:39.09 | Leeds | mozrat: woohoo - you're the Official Spokesman :-) |
| 08:42.58 | mozrat | Leeds: :-| |
| 08:43.19 | mozrat | the official spokesman should be first name "Gllug" last name "Admin" |
| 08:43.26 | mozrat | with an address of gllugadmin@gllug.org.uk |
| 08:46.11 | Leeds | but more likely than not, you'd be the one to answer, right? |
| 08:46.25 | morsing | SlayerXP sucks |
| 08:47.00 | mozrat | Leeds: very probably yes |
| 08:47.13 | mozrat | Leeds: back it up - I lost about 2 years of posts once :( |
| 08:47.21 | mozrat | and only got 80% of them back through Google cache |
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| 08:54.13 | morsing | Heeey - 2 Mozzies :) Twice as good |
| 08:54.21 | mozrat | yay :-) |
| 08:54.46 | mozrat | I'm trying to give a good friend of mine access to IRC from his IRC forbidden environment using cgiirc |
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| 08:55.48 | mozrat | w00 CopeWork |
| 08:55.57 | CopeWork | woot |
| 08:56.09 | CopeWork | send... and counting |
| 08:56.13 | CopeWork | testing lag |
| 08:56.16 | CopeWork | not bad at all |
| 08:56.19 | Leeds | CopeWork: I hope you are not trying to circumvent entirely reasonable security and/or productivity protection at your place of work? |
| 08:56.20 | morsing | CopeWork! |
| 08:56.32 | mozrat | question is can 2 of use it at the same time? |
| 08:57.21 | cpufreak | anyone unfortunate enough to have a bunch of dell boxes running linux using either the megaraid2 or megaraid_mbox drivers? :S |
| 08:58.08 | mozrat | CopeWork: it should really |
| 08:58.59 | CopeWork | test |
| 08:59.41 | CopeWork | hmm, seem only to get to #gllug |
| 08:59.43 | CopeWork | which is ok |
| 08:59.56 | CopeWork | but i'm usually in 3 or so other channels |
| 09:00.01 | CopeWork | and optionally many more |
| 09:01.57 | mozrat | CopeWork: I can probably change that |
| 09:02.19 | mozrat | give me 5 minutes to squish another problem |
| 09:03.02 | SlayerXP | cpufreak: used them in the past. |
| 09:03.13 | cpufreak | its ok,. got the answer I wanted elsewhere I think |
| 09:04.28 | SlayerXP | and I didn't even point at you and laugh |
| 09:04.45 | cpufreak | (the megarc.bin utility for monitoring raid status from AMI is a bit cunted with those drivers, with it failing to run as a non root user, apparently the dell utilities work fine though, so going to try them |
| 09:04.47 | cpufreak | happy happy joy |
| 09:05.37 | CopeWork | hello SlayerXP |
| 09:05.42 | SlayerXP | lo cope |
| 09:09.43 | George | I'M BORED |
| 09:10.00 | Leeds | George: so do some work |
| 09:10.15 | George | not really possible |
| 09:10.25 | Leeds | why not? |
| 09:10.31 | George | no computer |
| 09:10.56 | Leeds | why not? |
| 09:12.43 | Leeds | um, in fact... no computer, yet you're on IRC...? |
| 09:13.45 | cpufreak | via his phone |
| 09:13.47 | cpufreak | I'd wager |
| 09:15.12 | Leeds | probably right |
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| 09:21.06 | mozrat | foo |
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| 09:21.47 | CopeWork | :) |
| 09:21.51 | Leeds | in, out... |
| 09:22.15 | mozrat2 | yeah - trying to configure something - I'll go and pollute an empty channel |
| 09:22.31 | mozrat | silly mozrat2 |
| 09:25.20 | mozrat | CopeWork: Well - I set it up to allow multiple channels ( I think ) |
| 09:25.31 | mozrat | when you get a chance restart the client to see if it works |
| 09:26.31 | morsing | Check it! |
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| 09:46.21 | morsing | sanelson! |
| 09:48.39 | Leeds | ' |
| 09:53.42 | SlayerXP | i have blogethed already |
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| 10:02.06 | mozrat | SlayerXP: selling your house is a gigantic pain in the ass |
| 10:02.09 | mozrat | I appreciate this fact now |
| 10:02.20 | SlayerXP | mozrat: this is my second time |
| 10:02.26 | SlayerXP | it doesn't get less of a PITA |
| 10:02.49 | mozrat | The woman who made an offer on my house (first offer we've had in ages) put it in at 10 grand under the asking price and today withdrew her offer due to the fact she didn't like our spotlight lighting |
| 10:18.56 | z00dax | *yawn* g'morning |
| 10:19.47 | mozrat | Morning z00dax |
| 10:20.40 | z00dax | spotlight lighting ? how much of a problem would it be to change that once she had the house ? |
| 10:20.53 | mozrat | z00dax: yeah. exactly. |
| 10:20.58 | mozrat | Plus her son was a builder! |
| 10:21.27 | z00dax | hummm... |
| 10:33.44 | morsing | z00dax! |
| 10:33.55 | morsing | z00dax: So why "z00dax"? |
| 10:34.45 | z00dax | morsing: just random nick, picked up in 1995, stuck with it since |
| 10:35.06 | z00dax | started off on fidonet, ( i was 6:606/38.0 ) |
| 10:45.22 | morsing | Mmm... Fidonet. And why did Gopher die again? |
| 10:47.09 | danip | mozrat: Isn't it cool to start the week with ldapsearch? :) |
| 10:47.33 | mozrat | ARGHHHHHHH |
| 10:48.00 | mozrat | When you ask someone to run a command that outputs text |
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| 10:48.05 | mozrat | and send you the result |
| 10:48.12 | mozrat | would you expect a screenshot?? |
| 10:48.26 | mozrat | and then whilst right clicking the image I just set it as my fskcing wallpaper |
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| 10:48.42 | danip | :))) |
| 10:49.15 | danip | those things usually happen on mondays. That would never happen to you tomorrow. |
| 10:51.38 | morsing | Cope: :) |
| 10:52.16 | danip | Hard disks, power supplies and such, usually also die on sundays, so you can have a "pleasant monday". |
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| 11:02.46 | Cope | morsing: you've messed around with cygwin recently haven't you |
| 11:09.48 | George | hi cope |
| 11:10.11 | Cope | hello george |
| 11:15.43 | huw-l | danip: or SGI external cdroms in my case |
| 11:23.25 | wethrin | Hello |
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| 11:29.28 | rhowe | heh, have a look at the picture & caption on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structured_cabling |
| 11:29.56 | rhowe | Is that mozrat? |
| 11:31.17 | wethrin | Almost :) |
| 11:33.00 | mozrat | wow - looks like me |
| 11:33.46 | mozrat | I am also a doppleganger for a established Irish terrorist. I was stopped at both ends of a flight from London to Belfast on two occassions |
| 11:33.51 | wethrin | :) |
| 11:33.53 | wethrin | It's the beard |
| 11:35.52 | mozrat | that was before my beardy days |
| 11:37.44 | danip | how old are you, mozrat? |
| 11:38.07 | mozrat | danip: 30 |
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| 11:39.17 | danip | Its ok, you look like that age I guess. |
| 11:40.26 | mozrat | phew |
| 11:53.31 | mozrat | SlayerXP: re "GLLUG Spokesperson" thread - do you know of a situation in the past where one of these has been required? |
| 11:53.58 | SlayerXP | mozrat: nope. |
| 11:54.14 | mozrat | It's a good idea, but I don't know when it would be needed |
| 11:54.21 | Leeds | there have been discussions in the past of responding to negative press type things 'in the name of gllug' |
| 11:54.21 | SlayerXP | but it occurs to me that advertising that we have one might encourage people to ask our opinions about stuff |
| 11:54.33 | mozrat | that's true |
| 11:54.39 | Leeds | or, I guess, to positive press :-) |
| 11:54.51 | SlayerXP | and, as leeds said, provide an official source for quotes about our displeasure |
| 11:55.01 | mozrat | If we ever decided we needed to get some funding we'd need some sort of officialdom |
| 11:58.39 | mozrat | Which reminds me - Leeds, you were going to send me something about old charges for meetings? |
| 12:12.28 | morsing | Cope: Yes |
| 12:12.36 | morsing | mozrat: Wow - I'm older than you! |
| 12:12.43 | mozrat | morsing: well, duh |
| 12:12.49 | morsing | :( |
| 12:12.53 | mozrat | What did you think? You look older than me |
| 12:12.57 | morsing | :( |
| 12:13.02 | morsing | Oh wait, :) |
| 12:13.02 | mozrat | :-) |
| 12:13.21 | morsing | mozrat: Anyway, happy birthday |
| 12:13.26 | Leeds | mozrat: yes, I was |
| 12:13.41 | mozrat | morsing: thanks :-) |
| 12:13.52 | mozrat | Wish me a happy birthday in December as well |
| 12:13.58 | morsing | Will do |
| 12:14.07 | Leeds | mozrat: happy birthday in December |
| 12:14.39 | mozrat | Thanks! |
| 12:21.21 | rhowe | "*Please note that any data recorded on this or other forms will not be made available electronically to any party |
| 12:21.25 | rhowe | whatsoever without the permission of the respondent* " |
| 12:21.35 | rhowe | hm.. but they could post a copy to them? |
| 12:28.28 | mozrat | ugh - Wolverhampton is 148 miles from where I live |
| 12:28.34 | mozrat | I might give LUGRadio Live a miss |
| 12:29.10 | mozrat | 3 hours 18 minutes according to Google Maps and they have no knowledge of the M1 roadworks |
| 12:29.15 | mozrat | or my ability to get lost |
| 12:32.10 | morsing | DON'T buy a NavMan? |
| 12:32.10 | morsing | !!! |
| 12:32.10 | morsing | s/?/!/ |
| 12:32.10 | morsing | ibot wake ibot |
| 12:32.20 | ibot | ibot: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 12:32.34 | mozrat | Is anyone else going? |
| 12:42.05 | morsing | mozrat: Going where? |
| 12:42.18 | mozrat | LUGRadio Live |
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| 12:47.50 | Cope | morsing: my xterms are useless |
| 12:48.06 | Cope | I can't do any form of copy/cut and paste between them nd anything else |
| 12:55.39 | morsing | X -nodecoration -nopointer -clipboard -query bla:x |
| 13:00.14 | Cope | la:x? |
| 13:01.32 | morsing | Cope?! |
| 13:01.40 | Leeds | los angeles international airport? |
| 13:01.48 | Cope | trying to understand your X incantation |
| 13:02.06 | Cope | X -nodecoration seems to do something |
| 13:02.23 | morsing | Well, no need to understand. Just type it in and replace bla:x with what you need |
| 13:02.30 | Cope | -nopointer doesn't exist |
| 13:02.41 | morsing | Cope: Download a recent version |
| 13:02.48 | Cope | i have the latest version |
| 13:02.52 | Cope | downloaded last week |
| 13:03.01 | morsing | Cope: Mmm... nopointer will exist then |
| 13:03.28 | Cope | 6.8.99.901-4 |
| 13:03.32 | Cope | is what it says ot is |
| 13:03.40 | morsing | ? |
| 13:03.44 | Cope | the version |
| 13:06.16 | Leeds | so... this afternoon, one of my colleagues told me she's going to a capella singing lessons... her teacher is in a well-know group called "The Gay Singers" |
| 13:06.29 | morsing | 'k? |
| 13:08.01 | Leeds | then she suggested that I went and looked them up online |
| 13:08.24 | Leeds | strangely enough, the first few hits for "gay singers" were not for her teacher and his friends |
| 13:09.46 | morsing | Leeds: Link to mozrat popped up? |
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| 13:14.32 | Leeds | nope, don't think he's in the group |
| 13:18.34 | mozrat | Oi!! |
| 13:19.26 | JAV | hello! |
| 13:20.05 | Leeds | JAV! |
| 13:21.11 | JAV | sun is melting stones here |
| 13:21.32 | danip | yep, I'm glad to be in UK now :) |
| 13:22.01 | morsing | mozrat: :) |
| 13:35.25 | keithlard | rrr |
| 13:37.06 | mozrat | danip: I exited ldapsearch hell a little while ago |
| 13:37.12 | Cope | woo keithlard |
| 13:37.39 | mozrat | This is interesting .. http://digg.com/offbeat_news/12_Year_Old_Points_Gun_at_Burglars_Group_Takes_Off .. read the comments. Every single anti-gun comment is modded down severely |
| 13:37.43 | danip | you're lucky, I almost *live* in this hell :) |
| 13:38.02 | mozrat | either Americans really are that gun crazy or something like the NRA supporters have been reading Digg |
| 13:38.23 | antiphase | ou=fuck,o=why,o=didn't,o=I,o=use,o=mysql,c=UK |
| 13:39.35 | morsing | keithlard! |
| 13:42.51 | mozrat | LDAP is OK |
| 13:42.55 | mozrat | I like it |
| 13:43.25 | SlayerXP | ldap is evil |
| 13:44.51 | mozrat | Never |
| 13:46.00 | danip | wich parameter you use on ldapsearch commandline to specify ldaps? -Z? |
| 13:46.01 | mozrat | "pay no attention to the grumpy bigot, my pretty" |
| 13:47.06 | mozrat | danip: The server I was working on doesn't use SSL but I believe -Z is the correct switch |
| 13:49.58 | morsing | LDAP sucks |
| 13:50.05 | danip | ldap_start_tls: Decoding error (-4) @~#@!! |
| 13:50.42 | danip | ldap is cool, but it should be easier. |
| 13:55.44 | rhowe | haha |
| 13:56.02 | rhowe | Yeah, the error handling in the OpenLDAP toolset is, er, vague at best |
| 13:58.14 | danip | got a better one: "Could not create LDAP session handle for URI=https://xxxx (-9): Bad parameter to an ldap routine" |
| 14:00.32 | antiphase | ldaps://... might be more appropriate |
| 14:02.18 | danip | s**t! I was about to look at the ldapsearch sources! See!?? This usually happens on mondays! |
| 14:03.27 | Leeds | it's Monday? |
| 14:08.58 | Cope | arg |
| 14:09.15 | z00dax | *woof* |
| 14:09.32 | Cope | hi kb |
| 14:10.30 | z00dax | humm... Dear Evolution, when finger memory gets in the way, and I do CTRL+A+D to detach my screen, please dont Select All and Delete |
| 14:10.33 | z00dax | hi Cope |
| 14:12.10 | mozrat | z00dax: ouch! |
| 14:16.35 | z00dax | I had to move about 2500 emails from the deleted mailbox back to inbox |
| 14:17.39 | mozrat | z00dax: file it as a bug |
| 14:18.18 | mozrat | setting a date range in the advanced search of the Inbox kills my window manager |
| 14:18.37 | mozrat | something about that GTK widget - does it everytime |
| 14:18.38 | keithlard | crikey |
| 14:18.40 | z00dax | I gave up on Evolution a long long time back, and just went back to using Netscape Navigator Gold 3 to read emails / usenet |
| 14:18.54 | z00dax | a couple of years back I gave that up and moved to MozMail/ Thunderbird. |
| 14:19.44 | z00dax | you haveto admit, they ( the monkeys ) do find new and interesting ways to slow evolution even further, with every release. |
| 14:19.59 | mozrat | yep |
| 14:20.26 | mozrat | it is pure, gold edged, unashamed bloatware |
| 14:20.42 | z00dax | in usable interface response rate terms, it runs at the same responsivel levels these days, on an AMD64 3000+ as it did 5 years back on a P-3 800Mhz machine |
| 14:21.00 | z00dax | now is 2 Gigs of ram and then was 256megs |
| 14:29.05 | cpufreak | runs fine on this dualcore 3GHz P4 thing at work |
| 14:30.24 | SlayerXP | runs fine of my dual opteron 242 w/ 2gigs of memory |
| 14:31.18 | keithlard | runs fine on my cray xmp that i liberated from the science museum |
| 14:32.27 | morsing | Check it! |
| 14:34.28 | z00dax | I should try evolution on that t20000 box. |
| 14:34.45 | z00dax | cpufreak: try running mozmail from the NSNG3 era |
| 14:34.55 | z00dax | compare with that for performance |
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| 14:53.53 | morsing | Woo |
| 14:54.11 | morsing | z00dax: mozmail? Mozzie's mail? |
| 14:56.39 | mozrat | Stop reading my mail |
| 14:56.59 | mozrat | If I want to send money to the sons of African dictators that is my business |
| 14:57.36 | morsing | Mmm... African dictators |
| 14:57.44 | z00dax | mozrat: Mozcom stuff |
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| 15:03.40 | keithlard | nagios why must you make me hurt you |
| 15:04.43 | hali | whats wrong with nagios... got to love it |
| 15:04.53 | stephanb2 | hey guys |
| 15:04.59 | stephanb2 | how was bletchley? |
| 15:05.17 | wethrin | Good! |
| 15:05.36 | mozrat | Good! |
| 15:06.01 | stephanb2 | was it hot the uk that day? |
| 15:06.12 | wethrin | Pleasantly warm |
| 15:06.13 | mozrat | http://flickr.com/photos/andrewblack/tags/gllugbletchelypark/ |
| 15:06.21 | wethrin | Except in the morning, when it was pissing it down |
| 15:06.25 | stephanb2 | :-) |
| 15:06.28 | mozrat | http://beerandspeech.org/photos/Bletchley%20Park/ |
| 15:07.17 | mozrat | Yes, from the last GLLUG meeting in London as well :-/ |
| 15:07.34 | stephanb2 | gosh they finished rebuilding this valve computer ??? |
| 15:08.13 | stephanb2 | hang on.. they didn't have those suns during WWII :-o |
| 15:09.49 | Cope | I think we only have one sun, and it has been around for about 4.5 billion years |
| 15:10.16 | mozrat | Cope: it flickered last week |
| 15:11.01 | mozrat | Ha! Betcha wished you had come now |
| 15:11.45 | Cope | a museum of complete computers |
| 15:11.57 | Cope | 'tis a super place |
| 15:13.40 | stephanb2 | does the valve replica actually work now ? |
| 15:13.55 | z00dax | yes, i think so |
| 15:13.56 | morsing | Yes |
| 15:14.22 | stephanb2 | jeez, and they demonstrate a cyphertext being broken by it ? |
| 15:14.27 | z00dax | and we were told it runs at about the same speed as a P-II |
| 15:14.41 | morsing | z00dax: Does it?! |
| 15:15.01 | wethrin | For code-breaking, yes |
| 15:15.03 | morsing | 5000 per second. My PII can do more than that, surely |
| 15:15.13 | morsing | Just comparing stuff |
| 15:15.48 | wethrin | morsing: It's one every 200 microseconds |
| 15:15.55 | stephanb2 | morsing: well, try to rebuild your PII with valves and we'll talk about it |
| 15:16.38 | wethrin | 200,000 clock cycles (on a 1GHz CPU) to try one code? |
| 15:16.50 | z00dax | the last time I used a p-2 for anything was so long ago that I dont remember |
| 15:17.00 | z00dax | but i am sure the Alpha-500 will do more :) |
| 15:17.01 | wethrin | The Colossus could make cracking attempts in parallel, which a P2 can't do |
| 15:18.05 | morsing | wethrin: What?! 200,000 to try one code? What?!?! |
| 15:18.31 | stephanb2 | wethrin: 200kHz is not so hard to acheive with valves, after all. but you couldn't do that with relays. and that was the point. |
| 15:21.13 | wethrin | stephanb2: Hmm? |
| 15:21.46 | wethrin | morsing: You think that's excessive? |
| 15:22.17 | stephanb2 | wethrin: 200,000 clock cycles is 200kHz, that's well within valve's frequency range |
| 15:22.33 | z00dax | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.39 | z00dax | aaaa! |
| 15:23.39 | rhowe | rcvd [CHAP Challenge id=0x4 <$hexstring>, name = "Mingles"] |
| 15:23.42 | rhowe | hmm.. Mingles? |
| 15:24.11 | z00dax | wasent me |
| 15:25.22 | wethrin | stephanb2: That's assuming, then, it'll process 5000 entries in parallel |
| 15:25.30 | Cope | i like the idea of a chap challenge |
| 15:25.48 | wethrin | Did you not go to the Chap Olympics? |
| 15:26.03 | Cope | wethrin: I read about it! :) |
| 15:26.11 | wethrin | :) EvilDave went |
| 15:27.00 | Cope | super |
| 15:27.21 | wethrin | They had free G&Ts |
| 15:27.30 | Cope | can't complain about that |
| 15:27.37 | wethrin | nope |
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| 15:32.18 | wethrin | Blapto! |
| 15:36.03 | Blapto | wethrin! |
| 15:42.50 | wethrin | So. Who's going to join me in Earl's Court on the 1st of August? |
| 15:42.54 | wethrin | GBBF |
| 15:43.44 | rhowe | wethrin: Me |
| 15:43.49 | rhowe | er.. |
| 15:43.55 | rhowe | yes, me |
| 15:44.00 | wethrin | Yay! |
| 15:44.03 | rhowe | and... |
| 15:44.04 | wethrin | It's a Tuesday |
| 15:44.08 | rhowe | our DSL now has a 1500 byte MTU! |
| 15:44.12 | rhowe | and... |
| 15:44.15 | rhowe | It's bonded ADSLMax! |
| 15:44.17 | rhowe | woo |
| 15:44.37 | wethrin | woo |
| 15:44.40 | wethrin | Mine's still on 1458 |
| 15:44.50 | rhowe | This was offerring 1524 or something |
| 15:44.58 | wethrin | umm |
| 15:45.17 | wethrin | So I've just got unlimited 2Mbit at home |
| 15:46.08 | Blapto | Ah yeah, saw an advert for that festival |
| 15:46.12 | Blapto | I'm away unfortunately |
| 15:46.17 | wethrin | yarr. I hope you're all CAMRA members! |
| 15:46.40 | rhowe | Outgoing rates: 1064.3 kbits/sec |
| 15:46.56 | wethrin | I hope you're getting work to pay |
| 15:48.12 | rhowe | Even better |
| 15:48.15 | rhowe | Work is getting the ISP to pay |
| 15:48.21 | wethrin | ooh |
| 15:48.23 | rhowe | (since they're late getting our leased line in) |
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| 15:49.38 | wethrin | Ahh. Good on them! |
| 15:52.52 | Blapto | I've got 1Mbit from plusnet :( |
| 15:53.02 | Blapto | and no prospect of adslmax. |
| 15:53.06 | Leeds | bah, you all smell |
| 15:53.27 | Blapto | Or LLU |
| 15:53.50 | wethrin | Leeds: It's quite hot over here! |
| 15:54.07 | Leeds | so get some aircon! what are you, animals? |
| 15:54.11 | wethrin | Although I'm sitting in the middle of a concrete building, with no windows in this room, so it's quite pleasant |
| 15:54.19 | wethrin | Leeds: No, we're British! |
| 15:54.29 | Blapto | I've got aircon |
| 15:54.30 | Blapto | and windows |
| 15:54.32 | Blapto | and it's boiling in here |
| 15:54.41 | wethrin | I've got Windows |
| 15:54.51 | Leeds | I'm in bed, with aircon |
| 15:55.15 | Blapto | who with |
| 15:55.20 | Leeds | would be nice to have something/one hotter, but aircon makes for a good second best |
| 15:55.51 | Blapto | Going to redbus tomorrow... can't wait. |
| 15:55.58 | Blapto | (/sarcasm) |
| 15:56.07 | z00dax | Blapto: why ? |
| 15:56.23 | Blapto | To set up a vlan so I can send a new server down there in a few days time |
| 15:56.47 | z00dax | Blapto: who are you hosting with ? directly with a redbus rack or via a reseller ? |
| 15:57.04 | Blapto | It's my employer, not me |
| 15:57.19 | Blapto | but they buy a few sq ft off redbus direct, and buy bandwidth from 3 sources and BGP them |
| 15:57.44 | z00dax | a cage then... |
| 15:57.51 | z00dax | cool |
| 15:58.03 | z00dax | I need someone to host a few box's |
| 15:58.16 | wethrin | www.exonetric.com |
| 15:58.20 | wethrin | www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk |
| 15:58.20 | Blapto | not even a cage |
| 15:58.21 | Blapto | it's a rack, but we provided it |
| 15:58.22 | z00dax | wethrin: tey suck |
| 15:58.29 | wethrin | who? Exo? |
| 15:58.35 | z00dax | very expensive |
| 15:58.43 | wethrin | Mm. Not for my purposes :) |
| 15:58.47 | wethrin | But if you use > 40GB/month... |
| 15:58.48 | z00dax | they have about a 80% markup for b/w costs |
| 15:59.10 | Blapto | and power and rackspace and support? |
| 15:59.11 | wethrin | You can probably come to an agreement with Mark, though, about that |
| 15:59.21 | wethrin | I get power |
| 15:59.40 | z00dax | blackcat... hummm... pass |
| 16:00.03 | z00dax | how about Jump ? |
| 16:00.51 | wethrin | www.poundhost.com |
| 16:00.56 | wethrin | (or is it .co.uk?) |
| 16:01.13 | z00dax | .com - but they are no longer in redbus - they were the first guys to move to BlueSq |
| 16:01.25 | wethrin | oh |
| 16:02.16 | z00dax | the other problem i have is that 2 of my machines are ATX types. not U'd server's |
| 16:02.28 | z00dax | but those machines need < 10gb/month of traffic |
| 16:03.14 | wethrin | You can get 1U servers |
| 16:03.55 | Blapto | There's a company in stratford |
| 16:03.58 | z00dax | more cost |
| 16:03.59 | Blapto | I forget their name |
| 16:04.11 | z00dax | connix or something |
| 16:04.15 | Blapto | yeah |
| 16:04.17 | wethrin | poundhost.com, and stick them in Maidenhead |
| 16:06.00 | z00dax | CGI::IRC ? he is irc'ing over a tunnel ? |
| 16:13.51 | Blapto | CGI IRC is an online IRC client that works in environments where you only have HTTP and port 80 |
| 16:13.59 | Blapto | IIRC |
| 16:15.06 | z00dax | yup |
| 16:17.53 | Leeds | zzz, g'night all |
| 16:18.31 | Blapto | night |
| 16:47.21 | stephanb2 | time 2 go home |
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| 16:53.48 | rhowe | hm.. |
| 16:54.06 | wethrin | bittorrent |
| 16:55.12 | rhowe | apt-get'll do for downstream, I guess |
| 16:56.20 | rhowe | OK and go |
| 16:56.24 | rhowe | (96M to download) |
| 16:57.09 | rhowe | hmm.. it's not going much faster downstream, that's for sure |
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| 17:33.39 | mozrat | the tube is a nightmare - so so hot |
| 17:34.15 | mozrat | i seriously would avoid elderly and young children avoid it - someones going to pass out down there this week |
| 17:34.43 | mozrat | see - i cant even type complete sentences! |
| 17:35.43 | keithlard | shriek |
| 17:37.28 | mozrat | i know! |
| 17:38.08 | mozrat | I dont know actually how hot it is down there but i would guess "very very" |
| 17:38.33 | z00dax | mozrat: hot where ? |
| 17:44.20 | George | mozrat! |
| 17:45.35 | rhowe | mozrat: Would this be a bad time to mention that I live within walking distance of work? :) |
| 17:49.42 | wethrin | mozrat: You should go to the pub to have a refreshing pint or four, thus avoiding the tube rush hour |
| 17:52.39 | z00dax | or just like the rest of us.... work till 9:00pm |
| 17:53.03 | z00dax | btw, can you take a bike in the tube ? I've never seen anyone with one |
| 17:57.23 | murb | grr stupid people |
| 17:57.38 | murb | why do they try and guess the language i speak based on my IP rather than what my webbrowser reports? |
| 17:57.46 | murb | s/speak/read/ |
| 17:58.19 | goltor | ibot smart |
| 17:58.21 | ibot | it has been said that smart is the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure |
| 17:58.29 | keithlard | z00dax> not reely... they are allowed on certain surface line sections, nowhere useful |
| 17:58.46 | z00dax | keithlard: :( |
| 17:59.02 | z00dax | maybe i can work out some mainline / surface route |
| 18:00.30 | wethrin | They're allowed on the shallow lines too |
| 18:01.02 | z00dax | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 18:01.21 | z00dax | tfl.gov.uk thinks it will take me 1 hr and 4 minutes if i only use main line trains |
| 18:01.34 | z00dax | wtf did it never give me these options before ? |
| 18:04.23 | goltor | yes tfl is often bad |
| 18:04.48 | goltor | it's told me 1h40m+ before when u can get there in 20m |
| 18:04.58 | z00dax | if i just do a search, from home -> work i get a 1 hr 58 min route |
| 18:05.15 | z00dax | that involves bus -> train -> tube -> bus. |
| 18:05.49 | z00dax | if i do a search on Train only, i get walk -> train -> train -> train - walk, and 1 hr 4 min |
| 18:17.10 | Erwin | Aaargh. The Ennio Morricone concert on Wednesday has been postponed... until December 1st! Due to "technical difficulties". |
| 18:17.23 | wethrin | His baton broke? |
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| 19:28.28 | morsing | angelchild! |
| 19:30.03 | morsing | beer |
| 19:49.19 | wethrin | beer? |
| 19:49.27 | wethrin | I've got one here |
| 19:49.45 | George | Bisley is getting boring |
| 19:50.16 | wethrin | Go somewhere else, then |
| 19:50.27 | George | I'm shooting in the big national competitions this week |
| 19:50.32 | George | they're held at bisley |
| 19:50.35 | George | not "somewhere else" |
| 19:50.36 | George | anyway |
| 19:50.38 | George | PHOTOS |
| 19:50.57 | wethrin | ahem |
| 19:51.08 | wethrin | I don't know where my USB cable is at the moment |
| 19:56.38 | George | crap excuse |
| 19:56.40 | George | PHOTOS |
| 19:57.29 | wethrin | bah |
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| 20:16.01 | George | wethrin: PHOTOS |
| 20:16.20 | wethrin | yeah, yeah |
| 20:16.32 | George | wethrin: PHOTOS |
| 20:16.56 | George | wethrin: or I'll write to your parents telling them you, er, got a 16 year old pregnant! |
| 20:17.10 | wethrin | Heh |
| 20:30.02 | rhowe | crackers with cheese, chopped preserved (in vinegar) chillis and sundried tomatoes |
| 20:30.06 | rhowe | mmm |
| 20:35.22 | wethrin | No meat? :) |
| 20:35.23 | goltor | i just ate a massive almost roar steak! |
| 20:35.36 | wethrin | Surely, almost mooing? |
| 20:35.43 | wethrin | Unless it's a tiger steak :) |
| 20:35.44 | goltor | indeed |
| 20:36.28 | wethrin | "Introduced to the concept of fire and brought to the table under its own steam" |
| 20:41.40 | rhowe | wethrin: I'm putting salmon in the pasta |
| 20:42.00 | wethrin | ahh |
| 21:24.56 | rhowe | heh, never thought I'd say this, but.... |
| 21:25.10 | rhowe | ... this seagall film isn't *that* awful |
| 21:25.31 | wethrin | ha |
| 21:25.33 | wethrin | Bored? :) |
| 21:25.42 | rhowe | Signed up with the rental shop |
| 21:25.49 | rhowe | in other words, yes :P |
| 21:26.00 | wethrin | heh |
| 21:26.04 | rhowe | wethrin: Are you coming to London at the end of the month, or to Manchester on the 30th? |
| 21:26.04 | wethrin | uknova.com IYF :) |
| 21:26.27 | rhowe | wethrin: Effort, need to recompile kernel |
| 21:27.05 | wethrin | rhowe: 1st August I'll be at the beer festival |
| 21:28.01 | rhowe | hm.. that'll have to do |
| 21:28.02 | wethrin | I doubt I'll be in Manchester - a friend should be coming up here that weekend |
| 21:28.22 | rhowe | OK, so it looks like birthday drinks on thursday, possibly friday, wedding on saturday, drinks sunday daytime and beer festival friday |
| 21:28.26 | rhowe | ugh |
| 21:29.31 | rhowe | hahaha this film owns |
| 21:29.37 | rhowe | "Into the sun" |
| 21:43.10 | Erwin | Directed by... "mink" ? |
| 21:43.38 | rhowe | heh |
| 22:33.23 | wethrin | rhowe: End of this month? |
| 22:37.55 | rhowe | wethrin: ? |
| 22:42.00 | wethrin | What you mentioned about Thursday/Friday/Saturday/etc. |
| 22:42.29 | rhowe | yeah |
| 22:46.52 | wethrin | Nah. Come on Tuesday to beer festival! |
| 22:54.09 | rhowe | is the 1st a tuesday? |
| 23:00.52 | wethrin | Yes |
| 23:50.47 | Leeds | foo to the world |
| 23:51.08 | z00dax | and foo to you too |
| 23:51.17 | z00dax | good foo, i hope |
| 23:53.12 | Leeds | I've had worse foo |