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| 02:16.22 | George | haha Mason just got shot in the bollocks |
| 02:16.30 | Leeds | it happens |
| 02:22.26 | George | women should not be allowed to call themselves george |
| 02:25.31 | Leeds | what, you want to be called Jane instead? |
| 02:26.16 | George | I'm not a woman |
| 02:30.05 | Leeds | wait, what? you're not a woman? |
| 02:30.12 | Leeds | ah... you're just a girl |
| 02:30.37 | George | I'm not female |
| 02:31.12 | Leeds | when did this happen? |
| 02:31.42 | George | when I was born |
| 02:32.10 | Leeds | do you parents know? |
| 02:32.20 | George | yes |
| 02:32.26 | Leeds | why did they call you Georgia then? |
| 02:32.57 | George | they didn't |
| 02:33.19 | Leeds | Georgina? |
| 02:33.34 | George | again, no |
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| 02:52.13 | George | ibot george |
| 02:52.14 | ibot | methinks george is gwright@kde.org and a KDE devel |
| 05:56.56 | mozrat | Good morning |
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| 06:19.00 | Leeds | hello! |
| 06:27.04 | mozrat | Morning Leeds |
| 06:30.38 | Leeds | so I was greeted this morning by an IM from a friend of my cousin/boss - I've met the guy a couple of times, he's a bit geeky, we get along... |
| 06:30.58 | Leeds | he invited me to go spend the weekend with him in Maine, with a list of other people I'd never heard of |
| 06:31.17 | mozrat | ooh, sounds alright |
| 06:31.31 | Leeds | I um-ed and ah-ed, until it become reasonably clear that he had picked the wrong person off his buddy list... |
| 06:31.48 | mozrat | oh :( |
| 06:32.04 | Leeds | he'd somehow got me confused with a female friend of his wife... |
| 06:32.22 | mozrat | Easily done |
| 06:32.40 | Leeds | indeed |
| 06:33.13 | Leeds | anyway, he then apologised and asked me to look out for 4GB miniSD cards, next time I was in a computer-shopping-centre situation :-) |
| 06:34.15 | mozrat | :) |
| 06:34.35 | mozrat | i nearly had another 650 on eBay yesterday |
| 06:34.48 | mozrat | got snipered in the last minute |
| 06:36.06 | Leeds | :-( |
| 06:36.22 | Leeds | hmm... apparently pinball is considered gambling here |
| 06:43.38 | Leeds | and I still find it slightly strange that I am effectively manning the front door of the office - at least in the afternoon - without being able to speak more than a couple of words of Cantonese :-) |
| 06:46.03 | Leeds | by the way - can someone tell me what colour the text is on http://www.kent-hovind.com/baloney.htm ? |
| 06:50.13 | mozrat | black |
| 06:50.26 | mozrat | I think - looking at it visually. I haven't looked at the HTML |
| 06:53.44 | Leeds | that's strange - I see some in black, and some in light grey which almost vanishes into the background |
| 06:56.08 | mozrat | Mm, no. It all looks OK to me |
| 07:19.42 | mozrat | Oh - is anyone waiting for a Mugshot.org invitation? I have 5 invites to give a way |
| 07:19.45 | mozrat | umm |
| 07:19.48 | mozrat | away** |
| 07:20.15 | sabinef72 | morning |
| 07:20.56 | mozrat | hihi |
| 07:21.27 | Leeds | mozrat: go on then... |
| 07:24.06 | mozrat | I'm still not entirely sure what it does :-) |
| 07:25.07 | Leeds | sabinef72: uh, what? |
| 07:25.12 | sabinef72 | I said : bonjour ! |
| 07:25.25 | mozrat | You said "Morning" and I said "hihi"! |
| 07:25.28 | mozrat | sabinef72: hihi |
| 07:25.39 | sabinef72 | ohhhh I understand |
| 07:25.54 | sabinef72 | "hihi" in france means the sound when you are laughing |
| 07:27.02 | Leeds | hmm... it wants me to run some fedora-compatible blob |
| 07:27.13 | Leeds | sabinef72: heh heh, ha ha ha |
| 07:27.30 | sabinef72 | hi hi hi |
| 07:28.40 | sabinef72 | :-) |
| 07:28.41 | mozrat | I thought laughing in French was "ah ah" |
| 07:28.53 | sabinef72 | yes ah ah or hi hi or hé hé |
| 07:29.23 | sabinef72 | but hé hé is a little bit different |
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| 07:30.53 | mozrat | yo SlayerXP |
| 07:31.29 | SlayerXP | yo |
| 07:31.30 | sabinef72 | well.... where is morsing today ? |
| 07:31.39 | sabinef72 | I'm always waiting about some pics |
| 07:32.55 | SlayerXP | hot sabine pix? |
| 07:33.05 | SlayerXP | url? |
| 07:34.04 | sabinef72 | it's morsing pics ! |
| 07:34.05 | SlayerXP | my wife does that too |
| 07:34.17 | sabinef72 | she has right |
| 07:34.50 | mozrat | SlayerXP: is she your wife now? When did that happen? |
| 07:35.01 | SlayerXP | oh we're not married |
| 07:35.04 | mozrat | k |
| 07:35.20 | SlayerXP | we have had a couple of mortgages together, that's much more binding |
| 07:35.30 | mozrat | SlayerXP: Good point. |
| 07:35.42 | mozrat | Most marriages don't last the length of the mortgage :-) |
| 07:36.18 | sabinef72 | mozrat: Do your wife do it also ? |
| 07:36.40 | AndrewDBlack | most mortgages don't last that long either :-) |
| 07:36.54 | mozrat | sabinef72: hit me? Oh yes. |
| 07:37.37 | sabinef72 | yes you know a slap just behind your head to make your mind more well |
| 07:38.17 | sabinef72 | like for example SlayerXP who is thinking about sexy pictures (not of his wife) |
| 07:39.10 | Leeds | mozrat: I suspect I will not be running the mugshot binary: |
| 07:39.13 | Leeds | mugshot: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by mugshot) |
| 07:39.23 | mozrat | Leeds: yeah, I couldn't install it either |
| 07:39.36 | Leeds | where's the source? |
| 07:39.44 | mozrat | I'm not sure about Mugshot at all - it's purpose has been communicated terribly |
| 07:40.05 | mozrat | Leeds: No idea. I couldn't find it on the site - but I didn't look that hard tbh |
| 07:40.12 | mozrat | you don't have to install it |
| 07:40.21 | Leeds | is it not mainly something to show off redhat as a web application platform? |
| 07:42.55 | SlayerXP | yesterday afternoon I returned home to find Lynda doing her ironing wearing nothing but a black thong |
| 07:43.03 | SlayerXP | "get off me", she said. |
| 07:44.57 | Leeds | mozrat: http://developer.mugshot.org/wiki/Subversion |
| 07:45.37 | sabinef72 | SlayerXP: lol |
| 07:53.00 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 07:53.33 | sabinef72 | morsing !!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:53.39 | sabinef72 | I was waiting you ! |
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| 07:54.22 | morsing | sabinef72: Good :) |
| 07:54.57 | sabinef72 | so where are them ? |
| 07:55.12 | morsing | Who? |
| 07:55.30 | mozrat | SlayerXP: sounds overdressed to me |
| 07:55.55 | morsing | bye |
| 07:55.56 | SlayerXP | mozrat: i corrected that |
| 07:57.26 | sabinef72 | morsing: how come ? did you already forget ? |
| 07:57.36 | sabinef72 | mozrat: you saw !!!! morsing forget ! |
| 07:58.04 | mozrat | sabinef72: I know :( |
| 07:58.11 | mozrat | SlayerXP: good man. |
| 07:58.45 | sabinef72 | maybe your bot could gives him a blame |
| 08:12.40 | JAV | good morning |
| 08:14.11 | Leeds | hmm... this is French |
| 08:15.41 | JAV | bonjour? |
| 08:16.14 | Leeds | song on the radio... |
| 08:16.21 | JAV | :) |
| 08:17.27 | sabinef72 | hola |
| 08:19.08 | Leeds | agh, French, Spanish... |
| 08:21.49 | Leeds | sabinef72: Camille - Ta Douleur? |
| 08:22.04 | sabinef72 | I dunno who is camille |
| 08:22.24 | Leeds | well, she sounds like she sings in French :-) |
| 08:22.29 | sabinef72 | ta douleur means your pain |
| 08:22.45 | sabinef72 | yes it's french name and french words |
| 08:23.08 | Leeds | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_%28singer%29 |
| 08:25.42 | sabinef72 | ohhhh ok |
| 08:26.54 | Leeds | friend of yours? |
| 08:27.02 | sabinef72 | no |
| 08:27.10 | sabinef72 | I never hear her |
| 08:30.45 | Leeds | http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2006/07/open_communities_vs_open_sourc_1.html |
| 08:30.48 | Leeds | wow, someone is bitter... |
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| 09:05.00 | mozrat | hi huw-l |
| 09:07.46 | huw-l | morning |
| 09:10.41 | mozrat | Leeds: I see that the mugshot site actually tries to invoke it's own protocol |
| 09:10.48 | mozrat | mugshot://mugshot.org/joinChat?id=VNkxkHjs2RN2qz&kind=post |
| 09:10.58 | mozrat | Which is why we need the client installed I guess |
| 09:14.33 | z00dax | *yawn* 'morning |
| 09:14.41 | mozrat | hey z00dax! |
| 09:14.47 | z00dax | sup mozrat |
| 09:15.02 | mozrat | are you interested in Mugshot? |
| 09:15.31 | SlayerXP | what does it do that other networking sites don't? |
| 09:15.36 | z00dax | mozrat: yes |
| 09:15.56 | Leeds | SlayerXP: depends on you running FC5, at least at first glance |
| 09:16.09 | mozrat | z00dax: do you want an invite>? |
| 09:16.15 | z00dax | mozrat: yes |
| 09:16.20 | mozrat | SlayerXP: I think it does a lot less than other social networking sites |
| 09:16.30 | mozrat | To be honest - it's all very confusing |
| 09:16.38 | mozrat | z00dax: which mail addr? |
| 09:16.45 | Leeds | there are builds for other distros, but they're either in that distro's 'proprietary' packaging and distribution format, or buried on the developer pages |
| 09:17.05 | z00dax | mozrat: kbsingh at karan org |
| 09:17.30 | mozrat | sent |
| 09:17.39 | SlayerXP | so, essentially, it let's you see how you are related to people who are also dumb enough to be using FC5 |
| 09:17.56 | z00dax | SlayerXP: better than the idiots who use debian |
| 09:18.12 | SlayerXP | yeah, those morons are a pain in the ass |
| 09:20.32 | mozrat | I think everyone should just stick to the one true distro |
| 09:20.48 | z00dax | lfs ? |
| 09:22.04 | Leeds | Yggdrasil |
| 09:22.28 | SlayerXP | windows for workgroups 3.11 |
| 09:23.25 | z00dax | what is that .ar based one that RMS keeps talking about ? |
| 09:24.17 | Leeds | the only one which is truly free? |
| 09:24.36 | z00dax | yea |
| 09:24.51 | Leeds | ututo, apparently |
| 09:25.17 | z00dax | for laughs, must try that one of these days. |
| 09:26.54 | mozrat | It's broken apparently |
| 09:27.03 | mozrat | And the English language support isn't there |
| 09:27.44 | huw-l | also it's actually gentoo under the hood |
| 09:28.12 | Leeds | but *apart* from that... |
| 09:28.14 | mozrat | Ugh |
| 09:28.29 | mozrat | Do you think there is a market for such a distro? |
| 09:28.35 | mozrat | being FSF compliant etc |
| 09:28.45 | huw-l | and the lead developer is probably RMS's lovechild |
| 09:28.56 | huw-l | https://www.ututo.org/www/images/85.jpg |
| 09:29.29 | huw-l | isn't debian FSF compliant? |
| 09:29.32 | mozrat | heh - they look very alike. Maybe not under all that hair |
| 09:29.51 | mozrat | huw-l: The FSF don't at all like the fact that Debian ships non-free |
| 09:30.04 | mozrat | and in their mind promotes non-free by running the repos |
| 09:30.17 | huw-l | there are debian repos that are non-free, but not in debian core surely? |
| 09:30.47 | mozrat | thats correct, but because Debian does provide non-free the FSF don't recommend them |
| 09:31.12 | mozrat | I've read numerious FSF mailing list spats about it |
| 09:31.13 | huw-l | how do external repos make debian non-free? am I missing something? |
| 09:31.30 | mozrat | because they package and ship non-Free software |
| 09:31.34 | Leeds | they are not external |
| 09:32.21 | Leeds | there may be some silly self-justification, but they are provided and run by the debian project |
| 09:33.58 | huw-l | if they are actually run by the debian project then that kind of makes sense |
| 09:35.30 | mozrat | http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/discussion/2006-June/005950.html |
| 09:35.34 | mozrat | and so on and so on |
| 09:35.39 | mozrat | it was a long heated thread |
| 09:36.23 | mozrat | of course - it is crazy that the FSF spend time arguing with Debian about these sorts of things when there are much "bigger fish to fry" but there you go |
| 09:36.46 | Leeds | is it an accident that you started with a post from MJ Ray? :-) |
| 09:37.33 | mozrat | Leeds: it was fairly random - I was looking for a post that has both sides in the quotations |
| 09:37.36 | mozrat | :-) |
| 09:38.25 | mozrat | So - in any case. Debian isn't endorsed by the FSF. |
| 09:38.54 | mozrat | Ututo is but it's not very usable especially in English language |
| 09:40.58 | Leeds | doesn't matter if it's free |
| 09:41.29 | Leeds | that is, as long as it's free, it doesn't matter if it's unusable |
| 09:44.25 | mozrat | Mmm |
| 10:13.31 | Leeds | okay, 1813, I would like to go home now |
| 10:14.30 | mozrat | Leeds: you have our permission |
| 10:16.30 | z00dax | humm that mugshot client wont work for me. just has that status - sign in to mugshot.org, which i already have |
| 10:17.26 | Leeds | 5 minutes |
| 10:22.01 | Leeds | which is about now... goodbye, cruel world |
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| 10:40.19 | mozrat | asht_007: Helo |
| 10:40.23 | asht_007 | hello |
| 10:40.40 | asht_007 | good weekend |
| 10:40.50 | mozrat | Hmm... "ash"... "007" anything to do with the Pinewood studio fires? :-) |
| 10:41.01 | asht_007 | lol |
| 10:41.20 | asht_007 | how did u know |
| 10:41.24 | asht_007 | or guess |
| 10:41.34 | mozrat | no smoke without fire </pun> |
| 10:41.44 | asht_007 | true |
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| 10:44.21 | phearless | good morning |
| 10:46.05 | mozrat | hi phearless |
| 10:46.17 | mozrat | either of you guys want a photo added to the GLLUG IRC faces page? |
| 10:46.49 | mozrat | http://gllug.org.uk/index.php?/archives/9-IRC-Faces.html |
| 10:50.00 | asht_007 | yeh when i geta photo |
| 10:50.10 | asht_007 | Mozrat: u like yr pool |
| 10:50.12 | hali | phearless: hola, how's the flat hunting going? |
| 10:50.22 | mozrat | asht_007: I'm *rubbish* at pool |
| 10:50.51 | asht_007 | but that is u in the pic |
| 10:51.27 | phearless | hali: I am so disapointed, I refuse a great room near kath docks on friday, because I would visit a better one today, and the flat of today I not to rent anymore because the present occupier stay in the room ... |
| 10:51.33 | phearless | refused* |
| 10:51.46 | phearless | is not to rent* |
| 10:51.52 | phearless | stays* |
| 10:51.54 | phearless | damn! |
| 10:52.13 | mozrat | http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2006073149560.jpg |
| 10:52.54 | mozrat | can't you go back to the one in Kath docks? |
| 10:53.21 | hali | wasn't that room a bit on the pricey side |
| 10:53.38 | hali | had a nice walk around there last night actually... very peacefull |
| 10:54.15 | phearless | <hali> wasn't that room a bit on the pricey side > yes |
| 10:54.44 | phearless | if you know anybody who look for a flatmate in this area, let me know ;-) |
| 10:58.45 | phearless | <mozrat> can't you go back to the one in Kath docks? > taken.. good rooms are gone in a few hours |
| 11:00.29 | mozrat | phearless: sucks |
| 11:01.19 | phearless | so I am living in the living-room of a friend since more that a month now... |
| 11:01.27 | phearless | than* |
| 11:01.54 | phearless | I should read what I am writing before sending it... |
| 11:02.10 | mozrat | I never bother |
| 11:02.42 | wethrin | hence getting the Software Freedom Day dates wrong :) |
| 11:03.29 | mozrat | wethrin: good morning and yes. yes indeed :(( |
| 11:06.56 | wethrin | Gnah. How many social networking sites are there now? |
| 11:07.20 | hali | more than we need? |
| 11:07.26 | hali | isn't irc enough |
| 11:09.08 | phearless | you can't find any hot babes on IRC |
| 11:10.58 | wethrin | Maybe we should start a campaign :) |
| 11:11.23 | mozrat | There are loads of hot babes on IRC |
| 11:11.29 | mozrat | problem is most of them are male |
| 11:11.59 | sweet18yrold_see | see? |
| 11:12.34 | wethrin | lol asl lol |
| 11:12.35 | wethrin | :) |
| 11:13.54 | mozrat | My name is Candy... I'm a blonde 17 y/o cheerleader from Kansas. can anyone help me with my Debian install? |
| 11:18.08 | wethrin | See, we know that's not true, as you've demonstrated a grasp of sentence structure and grammar |
| 11:18.36 | wethrin | lol im Kandi lol.... 17/f/Kansas, like, blonde lol |
| 11:18.38 | wethrin | Ahem |
| 11:18.45 | wethrin | mozrat: Yeah, you long-haired hippy :-P |
| 11:19.01 | mozrat | I'm also seriously debating losing the beard :( |
| 11:19.15 | mozrat | problem is.. I phear what is underneath |
| 11:20.30 | wethrin | But then we might have to trust you again! |
| 11:20.49 | mozrat | You should never feel in a position where you have to trust me. |
| 11:20.53 | mozrat | Goodness no. |
| 11:24.36 | wethrin | :) |
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| 11:39.58 | Erwin | http://www.waitingforlunchtime.co.uk/tubegame.html -- type in the station names you remember :) |
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| 11:46.39 | boudiccas | mozrat; i trust you! :) [But then I trust everyone until they prove that they can't be trusted] |
| 12:00.29 | Leeds | ah, Sunday evening TV... on Monday evening |
| 12:01.22 | Leeds | and, laptop is switching to powersaving when unplugged and power-eating when plugged in |
| 12:01.24 | mozrat | boudiccas: good! |
| 12:09.59 | mozrat | :) |
| 12:11.10 | Leeds | actually, not |
| 12:12.04 | Leeds | my birthday is on Wednesday... a friend here has hers on Friday or Saturday (I forget)... we're planning a joint party... we have failed to rustle up enough people to have a party on a junk boat, between us |
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| 12:15.36 | Leeds | JohnDoe666: hello? |
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| 12:17.20 | mozrat | Leeds: any strippers this time? |
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| 12:18.14 | Leeds | I don't think Cathy would approve... |
| 12:18.59 | Leeds | there was actually an 'expose' of that place in the paper today - apparently you can get 'top-notch' cocaine from the South American hookers for only $1000 |
| 12:21.08 | mozrat | There is a South American rugby team in town? |
| 12:25.02 | mozrat | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5blbv4WFriM # Darth Vader being a smartass |
| 13:01.41 | Leeds | got to give them credit - the CPU scaling seems to work pretty well |
| 13:04.45 | mozrat | "them" being Dell or the kernel devs? |
| 13:08.54 | Leeds | kernel devs and Intel |
| 13:14.10 | mozrat | Where is everyone? It's gone awfully quiet |
| 13:14.23 | mozrat | ibot wake EVERYONE |
| 13:14.28 | ibot | EVERYONE: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 13:14.52 | huw-l | stop shouting! |
| 13:15.07 | mozrat | There's Huw... |
| 13:15.34 | JAV | mozrat: lol (darth vader) |
| 13:15.45 | mozrat | JAV - funny isn't it. |
| 13:18.24 | antiphase | crappuccino isn't proper coffee |
| 13:18.45 | huw-l | antiphase: infidel! |
| 13:18.51 | cpufreak | he's right |
| 13:19.07 | cpufreak | go down an americano with 6 shots of expresso in it |
| 13:19.19 | cpufreak | and then see if you're grouchy |
| 13:19.58 | antiphase | I haven't had one of those for a while |
| 13:20.49 | mozrat | hello George |
| 13:21.07 | cpufreak | antiphase: 1.50 for them here |
| 13:21.11 | cpufreak | actually less I think |
| 13:21.12 | cpufreak | I forget |
| 13:23.35 | cpufreak | George: go swim in avgas |
| 13:23.54 | George | no |
| 13:24.34 | mozrat | George: light the match - I dare you! |
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| 13:26.02 | Leeds | the Torch? |
| 13:26.41 | mozrat | thats him |
| 13:28.03 | George | what's the best way to implement an array in C++ that could be of any size? |
| 13:28.10 | George | an array of structs |
| 13:30.17 | Leeds | surely there are libraries with that sort of thing in them for C++? |
| 13:30.43 | George | no idea |
| 13:34.31 | George | mozrat's a cheerleader from Kansas? |
| 13:40.45 | wethrin | Use a linked list. HTH |
| 13:41.05 | wethrin | An array always has a fixed size once initialised |
| 13:42.09 | George | wtf is a linked list |
| 13:42.35 | wethrin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_List |
| 13:42.40 | wethrin | A rather fundamental data structure |
| 13:42.41 | George | already there |
| 13:42.47 | wethrin | :) |
| 13:42.54 | George | how dull |
| 13:43.01 | wethrin | doubly-linked are often easier to deal with |
| 13:43.12 | George | I can't be arsed |
| 13:43.17 | George | I hope you like sausages |
| 13:43.27 | mozrat | Spoken like a true Summer of Code student |
| 13:43.42 | George | mozrat: which bit? |
| 13:43.47 | mozrat | "Double Linked list. How dull. I can't be asked" --George Wright, author of kNX |
| 13:43.57 | George | ARSED |
| 13:44.09 | George | and I haven't started coding kNX yet |
| 13:44.10 | Leeds | you really don't know what a linked list is? bloody hell |
| 13:44.20 | George | Leeds: I used to know.. |
| 13:44.22 | George | Leeds: but I forgot |
| 13:44.32 | George | Leeds: I'm somewhat rusty at the moment |
| 13:44.33 | SlayerXP | leeds: i didn't know til I was over 13 either |
| 13:44.41 | Leeds | well, it may not have been the best roundup show ever, but the end of Top of the Pops is a cultural milestone |
| 13:45.07 | Leeds | oh, I didn't know until I was at Uni - but then, I didn't claim to be a coder of any knowledge before that - all I knew was Basic |
| 13:45.24 | George | I claim to be an annoyance |
| 13:45.25 | George | not a coder |
| 13:45.59 | wethrin | Leeds: Likewise |
| 13:46.05 | wethrin | If you're not a coder, why're you in SoC? :) |
| 13:46.16 | George | because I'm a student |
| 13:46.17 | George | DUH |
| 13:46.37 | Leeds | you claim to have been working on KDE for years |
| 13:46.45 | Leeds | or rather, you have claimed... |
| 13:47.14 | George | I have a CVS/SVN account :) |
| 13:47.52 | Leeds | there are many days when I give thanks for the many reasons why I don't run KDE... |
| 13:48.03 | wethrin | :) |
| 13:48.19 | wethrin | I bet he thinks a hash table is a bit of furniture that's used for drug taking |
| 13:48.53 | George | lalalalalalalalalala |
| 13:49.09 | wethrin | Ewww |
| 13:51.14 | Leeds | huw-l: don't do that! :-) |
| 13:53.35 | huw-l | messing with peoples minds soothes my WebSphere induced pain |
| 13:54.02 | wethrin | Has huw been posting silly things to the mailing list? |
| 13:54.02 | Leeds | this is a not-unreasonable excuse |
| 13:54.50 | Leeds | nope - he quoted you in #lugradio :-) |
| 13:55.37 | wethrin | The hash table? :) |
| 13:55.44 | Leeds | of course |
| 13:55.55 | wethrin | Wooo! I'm, like, famous, or something! |
| 14:01.57 | Erwin | Ah, nothing like a badger hair brush when shaving. They really help the process, together with Avocado shaving cream from Taylor's. |
| 14:15.56 | phearless | "what is the earliest time that I can come visit the room ?" -> is this english ? |
| 14:17.16 | mozrat | phearless: yes - it is understandable |
| 14:17.38 | phearless | understandable? |
| 14:17.38 | mozrat | I'm sure someone could find comments on the syntax and grammar but it basically makes sense |
| 14:17.39 | Erwin | I wouldn't say "visit" though. You usually visit a person. |
| 14:17.48 | Erwin | Just "see" would be OK |
| 14:17.54 | mozrat | or "view" |
| 14:17.56 | phearless | thank you |
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| 14:38.33 | boudiccas | Is Marx's tomb a communist plot? |
| 14:42.18 | Leeds | no, it's in north London somewhere... |
| 14:42.42 | Erwin | Sheesh. The company through which I book restaurants in Paris is taking a 6 weeks vacation where they will do no bookings. |
| 14:42.44 | Leeds | okay... advice... |
| 14:42.45 | mozrat | High(gate|bury) ? |
| 14:42.47 | huw-l | highgate? |
| 14:42.55 | boudiccas | highgate cemetry |
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| 14:43.20 | Leeds | trying to plan a party for Saturday night... got around 12 people, and some up-front sponsorship (thanks Mum!) |
| 14:43.52 | Leeds | we were planning to go out on a junk, but due to a) lack of people and b) small tropical storm expected to blow into town at the weekend, we're thinking no junk |
| 14:44.06 | Leeds | (junk being a traditional - well, nowadays, just wooden - boat) |
| 14:44.30 | Leeds | new idea: drink or two at very posh bar with some of the best harbour views, followed by fondue |
| 14:45.51 | boudiccas | fondue and fondon't |
| 14:46.24 | Leeds | probably at the Swiss place in the same hotel - the Peninsula, the most famous hotel in HK - as the bar, maybe at the much cheaper place a few minutes walk away |
| 14:46.36 | Leeds | yes, there are two fondue places within a few minutes walk of each other in Kowloon :-) |
| 14:47.38 | Leeds | the point is to get the evening away from just being 'go to restaurant, go to pub/bar/club' |
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| 15:17.55 | phearless | driving is cool |
| 15:18.04 | Leeds | there are many days that I think of the many reasons why it's good to be on the other side of the planet |
| 15:18.04 | phearless | I seen a nice cheap Lotus in the british motor show |
| 15:18.07 | mozrat | I'm not sure which worries me more. George being allowed to keep firearms or George driving a car |
| 15:18.37 | wethrin | Gun rack! |
| 15:18.41 | phearless | I if stop eating during 3 years I could buy the Lotus |
| 15:20.05 | Leeds | ('for 3 years' not 'during 3 years') |
| 15:20.31 | phearless | for 3 years* :) |
| 15:21.03 | mozrat | George: have you driven before? |
| 15:21.37 | SlayerXP | is he old enouhg to drive? |
| 15:22.00 | mozrat | he's old enough to drive, smoke, drink, vote, fuck and get killed for his country |
| 15:22.07 | mozrat | He hasn't done any of the above so far |
| 15:22.29 | mozrat | oh - buy porn. He hasn't done that either |
| 15:22.40 | wethrin | Have many people bought porn? |
| 15:22.49 | wethrin | Why buy it if there's a nice fast interweb connection? :) |
| 15:22.52 | SlayerXP | wethrin: millions |
| 15:23.02 | SlayerXP | you can buy porn over the internet |
| 15:23.12 | mozrat | wethrin: some of us were buying "dead wood" porn. JUST IMAGINE THAT CONCEPT |
| 15:24.40 | Leeds | evening sabinef72 :-) |
| 15:24.41 | JAV | a friend of mine says that internet is this big nowadays because of porn |
| 15:24.52 | SlayerXP | that's largeyl true |
| 15:25.00 | JAV | I agree |
| 15:25.02 | Leeds | JAV: you know the old theory about porn being the greatest driver of consumer electronics? |
| 15:25.10 | SlayerXP | ecommerce was pretty much kick started by the porn industry |
| 15:25.50 | JAV | I think porn has helped a bit in DVD selling :D |
| 15:26.06 | SlayerXP | never underestimate the spending power of millions of horny men |
| 15:26.20 | Leeds | the theory is that it was one of the major factors in the Beta/VHS war - Sony wouldn't let Beta be used for porn... |
| 15:26.28 | mozrat | I think the printing press had it's roots in pornography |
| 15:26.32 | Leeds | or at least actively discouraged |
| 15:26.43 | mozrat | maybe not the initial use but it was there at the beginning |
| 15:28.29 | phearless | porn and war are the best boosters for innovation ! |
| 15:28.34 | phearless | but I prefer porn |
| 15:29.23 | JAV | Leeds: I had no idea. We are going to see the next porn war in terms of blue-ray or $the_other_thing |
| 15:29.50 | mozrat | yay! |
| 15:30.03 | mozrat | just to collect your porn? Can't your parents ship it over to you? |
| 15:30.26 | JAV | or sell it to buy you a flight |
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| 15:30.36 | Leeds | nah, to pack up my porn and store it - or dispose of it, possibly, although it has sentimental value |
| 15:30.38 | JAV | around the world :P |
| 15:30.47 | Leeds | one mag was a present from my grandpa :-) |
| 15:31.00 | Leeds | we are a reasonably enlightened family... |
| 15:31.16 | mozrat | keithlard: do you own any vintage porn? |
| 15:31.40 | George | there we go. card reader fixed |
| 15:31.43 | phearless | interesting conversation about vintage porn on #gllug ... |
| 15:31.51 | phearless | sabinef72 please keep your eyes closed |
| 15:32.16 | Leeds | hmm... no, I don't think I have the capacity on my card to buy a return PE flight HKG->LHR and a Dell laptop in one month... |
| 15:32.26 | sabinef72 | I will do phearless |
| 15:32.36 | George | ooh, tip's still hot |
| 15:32.38 | keithlard | hola :D |
| 15:32.45 | mozrat | George: wow - what are you watching?? |
| 15:32.50 | JAV | hola keithlard :) |
| 15:33.10 | JAV | mozrat: heh |
| 15:33.20 | SlayerXP | mozrat: John Craven's newsround is on about this time, no? |
| 15:33.45 | George | mozrat: ? |
| 15:33.47 | mozrat | I'd be worried if George has a "hot tip" from watching Newsround |
| 15:33.55 | George | mozrat: tip on my soldering iron... |
| 15:34.08 | mozrat | George: ooh, sorry. Misunderstood |
| 15:35.42 | JAV | George: model? |
| 15:35.59 | George | powershot g2 |
| 15:37.38 | JAV | ooh, nice |
| 15:37.54 | JAV | good camera |
| 15:38.35 | mozrat | George: I thought you were skint? |
| 15:39.28 | George | mozrat: I am |
| 15:39.29 | Leeds | that's a bit embarassing |
| 15:39.40 | mozrat | George: oh |
| 15:40.11 | Leeds | calling up, going through the availability, chatting about ways to upgrade when the system current says I can't - then telling them I can't actually pay now because my credit card is half-full |
| 15:40.13 | JAV | "Dear Aunt, let?s set so double the killer delete select all" --> great video |
| 15:40.26 | mozrat | JAV, :D |
| 15:41.01 | JAV | I can't imagine the level of red in the face of the presenter |
| 15:42.13 | JAV | http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Y_Jp6PxsSQ |
| 15:42.25 | mozrat | SlayerXP: I've never heard of Orkut |
| 15:42.36 | SlayerXP | mozrat: well, no, you wouldn't have |
| 15:42.47 | mozrat | SlayerXP: Is "having friends" a pre-req? |
| 15:42.49 | SlayerXP | the first rule of orkut is that you don't talk about orkut |
| 15:42.56 | Leeds | sssh |
| 15:43.02 | mozrat | wow! |
| 15:43.09 | Leeds | SlayerXP: unless you're Brazilian |
| 15:43.10 | mozrat | thats just like that film |
| 15:43.18 | mozrat | Sleepless in Seattle |
| 15:50.55 | mozrat | SlayerXP: I'm not going to bother signing up to Orkut, but thanks for the invite |
| 15:51.06 | mozrat | If I've managed so far without it I should be OK |
| 15:51.32 | mozrat | If a friend dies of anything horrible I may be on the lookout for more, but at the moment.. I'm OK |
| 15:52.08 | SlayerXP | you obviously don't know about the moutains of uberinformations available behind the orkut login page |
| 15:52.10 | JAV | now speaking Brazillian is a pre-requisite |
| 15:52.56 | Leeds | 2/3 of the users are Brazilian - and 3% of Brazilians are users |
| 15:53.12 | JAV | heheh |
| 15:53.40 | phearless | 3% is quite a lot |
| 15:54.13 | mozrat | Besides I would have thought MySpace was much more my cup of tea |
| 15:54.21 | JAV | it started as a geek hideout, now is a msn substitute |
| 15:54.38 | mozrat | I'm *ahem* "down with the kids" |
| 15:55.17 | Leeds | I appear to be connected to more than 24 million people through 24 friends |
| 15:56.38 | Leeds | my friend with the most friends is Russ Nelson |
| 15:59.50 | George | wethrin: PHOTOS |
| 16:00.09 | mozrat | and out of your 24 MILLION friends you can't find enough to fill a small boat? |
| 16:00.37 | mozrat | I think we could use this as an example of why social networks are bollocks |
| 16:00.48 | wethrin | George: yeah, yeah |
| 16:01.03 | Leeds | mozrat: well, almost none of them are in HK |
| 16:01.58 | George | wethrin: well? |
| 16:02.03 | George | wethrin: where are they? |
| 16:02.10 | wethrin | On my camera. |
| 16:05.23 | SlayerXP | Leeds: I'm bet you glad you used condoms now |
| 16:05.26 | SlayerXP | I |
| 16:05.30 | SlayerXP | you're |
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| 16:07.50 | Leeds | I got it from Agnes, She got it from Jim... |
| 16:08.42 | *** part/#gllug asht_007 (n=asht_007@host-212-158-220-82.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 16:09.06 | Leeds | http://members.aol.com/quentncree/lehrer/agnes.htm |
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| 16:29.41 | antiphase | Coffin dodger |
| 16:30.30 | Leeds | well, he's given me a deadline of 10 years, which seems slightly odd |
| 16:30.48 | Leeds | "You have about 10 years to make me really happy" |
| 16:31.50 | antiphase | Buy him a hooker |
| 16:33.11 | Leeds | um, he's married - as the unpasted rest of the email makes clear |
| 16:41.50 | Leeds | bye... and g'night all |
| 16:47.05 | cpufreak | thank goodness for out of band access |
| 16:47.23 | Leeds | thank goodness for the ability to actually walk across the room and bring it back up... |
| 16:47.39 | Leeds | to be honest, I was about to shut that machine down for the night anyway |
| 16:50.52 | cpufreak | remote hands then |
| 16:55.30 | Leeds | now, this is what annoys me... with firefox running, total memory used on my system had reached about 1.65GB. Closed firefox, and usage went down to about 360MB... restarted it, with a session manager which opened all the same tabs, and it went up to about 500MB used |
| 16:56.28 | hali | there are a bunch of firefox settings to fix that |
| 16:56.31 | Leeds | I don't object to a browser with 38 open tabs taking 140MB - I do object to it taking 1.3GB |
| 16:56.34 | hali | about:config and play around |
| 16:56.49 | hali | i found some blog post about firefox tuning |
| 16:56.50 | Leeds | hali: in my previous experience, it didn't make much difference |
| 16:57.14 | Leeds | a lot of it is memory it owns in the X server's address space, for example |
| 16:58.07 | Leeds | mozrat: you've seen bus uncle, I assume |
| 16:58.29 | mozrat | Leeds, I think so |
| 16:58.52 | mozrat | he has managed to clear 3 seats around him on a crowded bus |
| 16:59.05 | Leeds | oldish bloke on a bus in Hong Kong flying completely off the handle at a young guy who tapped him on the shoulder and asked him to speak more quietly on his mobile |
| 16:59.28 | mozrat | I saw that... it went on and on |
| 16:59.33 | JAV | Leeds: about:cache |
| 17:00.15 | Erwin | Leeds: Well, the reality is the Firefox isn't a great browser. It's not much better than IE. |
| 17:00.25 | Leeds | Maximum storage size: 31744 KiB |
| 17:00.25 | Leeds | Storage in use: 49082 KiB |
| 17:00.28 | George | KONQI!!!! |
| 17:00.32 | Erwin | Opera works for me, however. Crashes much less than FF/Mozilla. |
| 17:00.53 | George | Konq goes one step further. The SVN build I have crashes if I try to go to microsoft.com :D |
| 17:00.59 | Leeds | Erwin: it's a much better browser than IE - particularly with a couple of extensions - but it may not be a much better piece of software |
| 17:01.50 | JAV | I think there's a real problem with releases. They just throw it, without intensive bug/leak testing |
| 17:02.14 | JAV | same thing with almost every piece of soft, kernel included |
| 17:03.20 | Leeds | anyway, I really am going to sleep now... |
| 17:03.34 | Leeds | happy mailman day, everyone! |
| 17:03.46 | mozrat | nn Leeds |
| 17:08.36 | JAV | night Leeds |
| 17:38.45 | mozrat | Good evening |
| 17:42.09 | George | mmmmmmmmmmmm steak |
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| 17:55.30 | mozrat | hi arika-chan! |
| 17:55.37 | arika-chan | hi mozrat :) |
| 17:55.39 | mozrat | how are you? |
| 17:56.13 | arika-chan | pretty good ^_^ except my housemate keeps taking out the power by turning on the cooker (silly boy... silly electrical system too ;p), you? :) |
| 17:57.03 | mozrat | I'm good.... bouncing home on the tube at the moment |
| 17:57.15 | mozrat | have you finished uni now? |
| 17:57.25 | arika-chan | finished uni? |
| 17:57.42 | mozrat | oh.. |
| 17:57.42 | George | lol 4 year course |
| 17:57.58 | mozrat | is that good or bad? :-) |
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| 18:04.51 | mozrat | PussInBoots!! |
| 18:05.06 | mozrat | Is your first name Henry? |
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| 18:17.01 | mozrat | wb ac |
| 18:17.12 | arika-chan | ty :o |
| 18:19.40 | mozrat | and I have an itchy neck from my haircut |
| 18:21.02 | mozrat | home! bye |
| 19:10.04 | George | moo |
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| 19:43.46 | other_mozrat | Good Evening |
| 19:46.12 | other_mozrat | suxors |
| 19:46.19 | George | on what? |
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| 19:47.44 | other_mozrat | hey arika-chan! |
| 19:48.06 | arika-chan | aloha |
| 19:48.18 | other_mozrat | arika-chan: who is jamesmorse? |
| 19:48.46 | arika-chan | my housemate |
| 19:49.25 | other_mozrat | ah |
| 19:50.12 | other_mozrat | the wally who kills the power with the cooker? |
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| 19:50.23 | arika-chan | no, that's andy xD |
| 19:50.26 | other_mozrat | yo SK! |
| 19:50.27 | arika-chan | hi boudiccas! |
| 19:50.42 | boudiccas | arika-chan; hiyas :) |
| 19:50.55 | boudiccas | other_mozrat; :) |
| 19:51.13 | sabinef72 | hi women !!!!!!! |
| 19:51.22 | arika-chan | hi sabine ^_^ |
| 19:51.25 | boudiccas | sabinef72; yo :) |
| 19:51.27 | other_mozrat | wow - we are overrun with WOMEN!!! |
| 19:51.44 | sabinef72 | other_mozrat: you are in minority this night |
| 19:51.47 | sabinef72 | so be careful ! |
| 19:51.47 | other_mozrat | I am! |
| 19:51.50 | boudiccas | other_mozrat; must be the first time that you've complained of that! :) |
| 19:52.00 | other_mozrat | boudiccas: :D |
| 19:52.09 | arika-chan | hehe |
| 19:52.29 | arika-chan | >:) |
| 19:52.41 | wethrin | arika-chan: Come to the beer festival! |
| 19:52.46 | arika-chan | when, where? |
| 19:54.19 | arika-chan | hehe |
| 19:54.39 | sabinef72 | arika-chan: boudiccas : how are you ? |
| 19:54.57 | boudiccas | could've been a manly hear-bug! :) |
| 19:54.57 | arika-chan | how're you? ^_^ |
| 19:55.01 | other_mozrat | Maybe there should be a #gllug-women channel? :-) |
| 19:55.16 | boudiccas | other_mozrat; but i like it here :) |
| 19:55.19 | arika-chan | maybe there should be a #gllug-men channel and we'll take this one ;) |
| 19:55.24 | boudiccas | lol |
| 19:55.27 | other_mozrat | arika-chan: arf arf |
| 19:56.18 | sabinef72 | arika-chan: yesssssss |
| 19:56.38 | sabinef72 | other_mozrat: I'm alone now on #gllug-fr |
| 19:56.40 | boudiccas | just spent almost two hours on the phone [1] to devon talking a friend through getting ndiswrapper to work on his centos [2] box |
| 19:57.00 | boudiccas | [1] we both used skype so it didn't cost us anything |
| 19:57.27 | boudiccas | [2] which also included development files and the kde desktop that he hadn't originally loaded on it |
| 19:57.29 | wethrin | arika-chan: Tomorrow, evening |
| 19:57.34 | wethrin | other_mozrat! Ook! |
| 19:57.36 | sabinef72 | is there special boxes too in england ? |
| 19:57.50 | other_mozrat | sabinef72: ;( |
| 19:57.57 | sabinef72 | I have the "freebox" I have adsl and also free phone for many countries |
| 19:58.19 | arika-chan | wethrin: I am in basingstoke/southampton :( |
| 19:58.32 | wethrin | boo hiss |
| 19:58.34 | boudiccas | 'special boxes'? what do you mean sabinef72???? |
| 19:58.54 | boudiccas | wethrin; and i'm in Maidstone |
| 19:59.29 | wethrin | boudiccas: That's an easy train journey |
| 19:59.48 | sabinef72 | boudiccas: I have a "freebox". With this special box I can have adsl + free phone for many countries in europ |
| 20:00.04 | boudiccas | wethrin; yes, agreed. except that I'm already going out tomorrow night, to table tennis practice |
| 20:00.23 | wethrin | bah |
| 20:00.53 | other_mozrat | boudiccas: table tennis++ |
| 20:00.59 | boudiccas | sabinef72; ah, i see what you mean. in this case we both used a voip program called 'skype' to talk |
| 20:01.25 | boudiccas | other_mozrat; i'm hoping that i'll be good enough to play in the upcoming league season |
| 20:01.31 | other_mozrat | boudiccas: excellent! |
| 20:01.46 | other_mozrat | boudiccas: we should have a GLLUG league |
| 20:01.47 | boudiccas | get fit and get some of this fat offen me |
| 20:01.56 | sabinef72 | boudiccas: yes I know, I have also skype |
| 20:02.12 | boudiccas | other_mozrat; sure, play it by email :) |
| 20:02.29 | other_mozrat | heh |
| 20:02.45 | other_mozrat | we should have some sort of ongoing competition though |
| 20:02.45 | boudiccas | sabinef72; so you could skype one of us and practise your conversational english then :) |
| 20:02.56 | other_mozrat | a chess server or something - takes ages to play chess though |
| 20:02.56 | wethrin | other_mozrat: Is this part of the plan to get Gllug to take over the world? |
| 20:03.03 | sabinef72 | yes why not |
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| 20:03.18 | sabinef72 | that should be a good plan |
| 20:03.19 | other_mozrat | wethrin: no.. |
| 20:03.40 | other_mozrat | sabinef72: boudiccas use Wengophone. You'll sleep easier at night |
| 20:03.49 | other_mozrat | whatho Erwin |
| 20:04.33 | sabinef72 | ohhh I don't like wengophone. It's not working so much on my computer |
| 20:04.55 | sabinef72 | why George ? |
| 20:05.07 | George | why not? |
| 20:05.20 | boudiccas | other_mozrat; why Wengophone rather than skype? |
| 20:05.21 | sabinef72 | stupid George |
| 20:05.44 | George | GET OFF |
| 20:06.04 | sabinef72 | never |
| 20:06.07 | other_mozrat | boudiccas: to be honest I cannot comment on the quality, but it is a free (as in GPL) version of Skype |
| 20:06.17 | other_mozrat | plus it handles all of your other IM accounts |
| 20:06.22 | other_mozrat | plus I think it does video |
| 20:06.30 | boudiccas | can it connect to skype at the other end? |
| 20:06.34 | other_mozrat | boudiccas: nope |
| 20:07.32 | boudiccas | atm, then, its not a good plan. until we've got net connectvity on my mates linux box we're stuck with skype ... which just works |
| 20:08.22 | wethrin | George: Missing boudiccas already? |
| 20:08.28 | George | no, someone else |
| 20:10.16 | sabinef72 | have fun boudiccas |
| 20:14.46 | George | :'( |
| 20:15.40 | morsing | George! |
| 20:17.39 | morsing | arika-chan! |
| 20:18.32 | sabinef72 | morsing !!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:18.40 | sabinef72 | morsing: did you think at me ? |
| 20:18.50 | sabinef72 | I'm always waiting at your pictures |
| 20:19.04 | arika-chan | morsing! I apologise for not being able to be at your birthday thing :( |
| 20:20.23 | George | LIFE UCKS |
| 20:20.27 | George | SUCKS |
| 20:23.23 | morsing | arika-chan: :( |
| 20:23.29 | morsing | George: Mmm... beer |
| 20:23.40 | morsing | sabinef72: Will post something soon-ish :) |
| 20:23.51 | sabinef72 | morsing: ok ok cool |
| 20:26.45 | wethrin | morsing: See you tomorrow? |
| 20:26.59 | other_mozrat | hi morsing |
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| 20:28.06 | morsing | mozzie! |
| 20:28.10 | other_mozrat | woo - I'm back! |
| 20:28.42 | morsing | wethrin: ?!? |
| 20:29.01 | mozrat | Anyone want to play hangman to guess which beer I bought? |
| 20:29.24 | mozrat | morsing: why so early? |
| 20:30.20 | mozrat | ----------- # Guess a letter |
| 20:31.20 | George | F |
| 20:31.36 | wethrin | morsing: Beer festival! |
| 20:31.40 | wethrin | Real Social! |
| 20:31.45 | wethrin | mozrat: E |
| 20:31.48 | George | U |
| 20:31.50 | George | C |
| 20:31.50 | wethrin | *Read |
| 20:32.02 | mozrat | -----E----E |
| 20:32.09 | sabinef72 | guiness |
| 20:32.10 | sabinef72 | no |
| 20:32.13 | George | K |
| 20:32.22 | sabinef72 | A |
| 20:32.25 | George | M |
| 20:32.34 | George | O |
| 20:32.38 | mozrat | -A---E-A--E |
| 20:32.42 | George | Z |
| 20:32.58 | sabinef72 | S |
| 20:33.10 | mozrat | -A---E-A--E # No S. |
| 20:33.20 | hali | P |
| 20:33.22 | George | R |
| 20:33.27 | mozrat | No P |
| 20:33.28 | George | A |
| 20:33.30 | George | T |
| 20:34.14 | sabinef72 | N |
| 20:34.32 | mozrat | -A---E-AN-E |
| 20:34.42 | sabinef72 | D |
| 20:34.51 | mozrat | -A---EDAN-E |
| 20:35.01 | sabinef72 | C |
| 20:35.03 | cpufreak | C U N T S |
| 20:35.03 | mozrat | sabinef72 is an expert at this game! |
| 20:35.11 | mozrat | -A---EDANCE |
| 20:35.23 | George | M O Z R A T S U C K S |
| 20:35.36 | sabinef72 | B |
| 20:35.45 | mozrat | no B - 3rd incorrect guess |
| 20:36.14 | hali | S |
| 20:36.19 | hali | ok, no S |
| 20:36.23 | hali | sorry .. /me scrolls up |
| 20:36.27 | sabinef72 | i |
| 20:36.33 | mozrat | No I |
| 20:36.36 | sabinef72 | shit |
| 20:36.38 | mozrat | 4th incorrect guess |
| 20:36.50 | sabinef72 | how many try can I have ? |
| 20:36.52 | mozrat | you have 2 more incorrect guesses |
| 20:36.59 | sabinef72 | well |
| 20:37.08 | sabinef72 | L |
| 20:37.18 | mozrat | -A--LEDANCE |
| 20:37.30 | cpufreak | K |
| 20:37.45 | sabinef72 | v |
| 20:37.49 | mozrat | No K.. |
| 20:37.52 | mozrat | No V! |
| 20:37.53 | George | FUCKDANCE |
| 20:37.57 | mozrat | no more incorrect guesses |
| 20:38.06 | sabinef72 | nooooooo |
| 20:38.13 | sabinef72 | I said L and V |
| 20:38.23 | sabinef72 | I still have one ! |
| 20:38.27 | mozrat | pah |
| 20:38.29 | mozrat | go on then |
| 20:39.04 | mozrat | I'm not sure sabinef72 will have heard of this beer |
| 20:39.20 | sabinef72 | my last try will be 'B' |
| 20:39.28 | mozrat | Nop! |
| 20:39.29 | sabinef72 | nooooooo |
| 20:39.30 | sabinef72 | noooooooo |
| 20:39.32 | sabinef72 | noooooo |
| 20:39.32 | George | ASSDANCE |
| 20:39.36 | mozrat | yes yes yes |
| 20:39.42 | mozrat | so this is your last last guess |
| 20:39.45 | sabinef72 | it was a mistake |
| 20:39.51 | George | FABBLEDANCE |
| 20:39.59 | wethrin | Mmm. Waggledance++ |
| 20:40.03 | mozrat | http://waggledance.co.uk/ |
| 20:40.04 | mozrat | !! |
| 20:40.09 | mozrat | wethrin: tasty! |
| 20:40.12 | wethrin | cpufreak: You'll be at the beer west tomorrow, wont' you? |
| 20:40.13 | wethrin | yeah |
| 20:40.18 | sabinef72 | mozrat: I had no chance to find |
| 20:40.23 | mozrat | :( |
| 20:41.06 | George | :'( |
| 20:42.24 | mozrat | ibot seen George |
| 20:42.40 | ibot | george is currently on #kde (2d 45m 5s) #zaurus (2d 45m 5s) #gllug (2d 45m 5s) #openzaurus (2d 45m 5s) #opie (2d 45m 5s) #handhelds.org (2d 45m 5s) #elinux (2d 45m 5s) #intimate (2d 45m 5s). Has said a total of 110 messages. Is idling for 1m 34s, last said: ':'('. |
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| 20:48.15 | cpufreak | wethrin: umm, 2 seconds |
| 20:49.14 | cpufreak | no |
| 20:49.20 | cpufreak | i'm going to the beer festival on wednesday |
| 20:49.22 | wethrin | Bah |
| 20:49.26 | cpufreak | blame netapp |
| 20:49.28 | wethrin | Dammit. |
| 20:49.29 | cpufreak | buying us tickets |
| 20:49.32 | wethrin | heh |
| 20:49.35 | wethrin | And beer? |
| 20:49.44 | cpufreak | bien sur |
| 20:49.54 | wethrin | I may see if I can be there on Wednesday too (Lonix) |
| 20:49.59 | cpufreak | hehe |
| 20:50.01 | wethrin | Otherwise I'll have to pick up hardware from you another time :) |
| 20:50.02 | George | BLARGH |
| 20:50.06 | mozrat | erm - we spent quarter of a mill with netapp this year.. where's our goddamn tickets??? |
| 20:50.17 | wethrin | OTOH, maybe a beer festival isn't the best place for hardware handover |
| 20:50.44 | cpufreak | mozrat: I think we've paid about 30 times that this year |
| 20:50.53 | cpufreak | and I'm bench marking their new 6070s on wednesday morning |
| 20:50.55 | mozrat | jeez - expensive tickets! |
| 20:51.07 | cpufreak | lol |
| 20:51.22 | mozrat | cpufreak: you've spent 7 million with Netapp? |
| 20:51.28 | cpufreak | I've not personally |
| 20:51.29 | mozrat | what the hell did you buy? |
| 20:51.37 | cpufreak | I've just joined the company |
| 20:51.49 | cpufreak | there's fucktonnes of 3020s and 30500s |
| 20:51.53 | cpufreak | er 3050s |
| 20:52.08 | wethrin | Can I have one? :) |
| 20:52.19 | cpufreak | not mine to give away |
| 20:52.24 | Erwin | How much is a small netapp server BTW? I can't really find any decent pricing. Something with say, 1T of disk space, sufficiently redundant? |
| 20:52.28 | wethrin | When you decommision them |
| 20:52.40 | cpufreak | Erwin: depends on what performance you need |
| 20:52.54 | cpufreak | and what you're going to be doing wiht the data |
| 20:53.08 | cpufreak | as if its mostly sequential |
| 20:53.12 | cpufreak | you can get away with using sata |
| 20:53.25 | cpufreak | if itsgoigto be a lot of random access, FC is still the way to go |
| 20:53.33 | Erwin | Well, we're using just SATA on RAID1+0 now, which is fine. |
| 20:53.59 | cpufreak | any idea how many thousand nfs ops/sec would you need? |
| 20:54.15 | cpufreak | or give some idea of your usage |
| 20:54.20 | Erwin | Just that a future expansion would require some kind of cluster system with HA storage |
| 20:55.04 | cpufreak | for that you could probably get away with a fas 270 cluster |
| 20:55.08 | hali | Erwin: netapp has a side brand for small stuff... called storagevault |
| 20:55.12 | cpufreak | fas270s are quite neat |
| 20:55.14 | hali | Erwin: starts under 5k |
| 20:55.20 | Erwin | iostat says 50 transactions per second, 174 blocks read 359 blocks written per second.. I think it's 512 byte blocks. |
| 20:55.31 | hali | Erwin: pried and featured to compete with ax150 and the likes of that |
| 20:55.35 | Erwin | That's average though over I'm not sure how a long time. I often see 5-10 Mb/s usage |
| 20:55.35 | hali | priced* |
| 20:58.35 | wethrin | If you just want small stuff, you *could* stick a FreeBSD machine into SCSI/FC target mode :) |
| 20:58.35 | sabinef72 | well good night all |
| 20:58.39 | sabinef72 | see you tomorrow |
| 20:58.39 | cpufreak | Erwin: PM. |
| 20:58.41 | cpufreak | nite sabine |
| 20:59.25 | hali | for small stuff i'd go with a dell 2950 and a md1000 ... sas disks at a very affordable price |
| 20:59.40 | cpufreak | sun 35xx's are what we use fo rthe small stuff |
| 20:59.50 | hali | all sun 35xx is discontinued |
| 20:59.55 | hali | bot the 10 and 11 |
| 21:00.00 | hali | both* |
| 21:00.16 | hali | no replacement is announced yet |
| 21:00.32 | cpufreak | really |
| 21:00.33 | cpufreak | shit |
| 21:00.33 | hali | my guess is something identical but with a silver faceplate and 4gb ports |
| 21:01.11 | hali | sun quoted me a 3320 instead today... 12x 146gb at 11k ... i replied "how about, no!" |
| 21:01.37 | hali | the same dell/hp array is under 5k |
| 21:02.04 | Erwin | wethrin: Well, essentially I would need some kind of HA. Right now our setup is small and tiny, but we might work together with a company that realises we do the stuff they do better which then outsources all of our stuff to us. |
| 21:02.14 | Erwin | wethrin: But they'll want a HA network architecture. |
| 21:02.20 | wethrin | Two machines! |
| 21:03.12 | hali | Erwin: you can attached up to four servers to a ax150, two if you want full redundancy |
| 21:03.40 | cpufreak | http://www.e-business.com/products/sun/x4500.html |
| 21:03.41 | cpufreak | mmm |
| 21:03.55 | hali | without zoning, so you can have both servers seing the same luns... and use something like centos cluster server to handle it |
| 21:04.30 | Erwin | hali: Yeah, there's a few network file system out there like that, also Redhat's GFS. |
| 21:04.47 | cpufreak | and symantec/veritas vxfs |
| 21:04.53 | cpufreak | which is what we use on our HDS stuff |
| 21:05.01 | hali | vxfs is single host isnät it? |
| 21:05.04 | hali | isn't* |
| 21:05.10 | hali | vcfs is multi? |
| 21:05.22 | cpufreak | you could well be right |
| 21:05.24 | hali | ibm's got something as well.. gpfs |
| 21:05.30 | hali | haven't tried it myself yet |
| 21:05.35 | cpufreak | I get lost amongst tlas |
| 21:05.41 | hali | is gfs production ready yet? |
| 21:06.06 | Erwin | hali: Well, AFAIK it was a commercial product that they bought from some company. |
| 21:07.14 | hali | i don't trust it yet ... it looks to complex for it's own good |
| 21:07.31 | Erwin | Anyway, I think I'd need some competent sysadmin if I'll go for more complex stuff like that. I just want sufficiently simple NFS provided by some reputable vendor. |
| 21:07.51 | Erwin | It seems possible to build up a Linux cluster providing HA NFS, but it looks like a lot of specialized hardware and software |
| 21:07.54 | hali | Erwin: storevault! :) |
| 21:08.25 | hali | StoreVault S500 4TB: 8 500GB Disks: $12,000 |
| 21:08.37 | hali | includes nfs and cifs licensing |
| 21:08.52 | hali | they have a pretty flash demo as well :) |
| 21:10.43 | Erwin | Does it have redundant innards? |
| 21:10.46 | hali | yes |
| 21:10.52 | hali | dual controllers, dual psu etc |
| 21:11.02 | hali | raid 4 or raid dp |
| 21:11.12 | hali | in classic netapp style |
| 21:11.49 | hali | and you can expand filesystems on the fly and all that fancy stuff |
| 21:12.50 | hali | only gotcha i can see is that it doesn't support nfsv4 .. |
| 21:13.23 | Erwin | How's the performance difference between 3 and 4? |
| 21:13.28 | hali | not much |
| 21:13.38 | hali | v4 mostly adds security .. kerberos and all that |
| 21:14.24 | hali | and its so easy to use you're going to get depresed... it not much fun to play with at all |
| 21:14.28 | hali | its* |
| 21:15.08 | Erwin | Good, I want to get stuff done, not play :) |
| 21:15.14 | hali | pff :) |
