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`01:57.46`	`*** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@202.82.163.139)`
`03:17.16`	`Leeds`	`shai: ping`
`03:17.28`	`shai`	`hi ;)`
`03:17.38`	`George`	`hi`
`03:17.46`	`shai`	`pong Leeds`
`03:17.51`	`Leeds`	`shai: mazel tov!`
`03:17.57`	`shai`	`thanks!!!`
`03:18.00`	`shai`	`toda :)`
`03:18.01`	`Leeds`	`everybody is well, I hope?`
`03:18.07`	`shai`	`yea!`
`03:18.18`	`shai`	`but we are all pulling all nighters...`
`03:18.27`	`shai`	`have you seen the photos?`
`03:18.29`	`Leeds`	`it's traditional...`
`03:18.32`	`Leeds`	`I saw them :-)`
`03:18.43`	`shai`	`the URL has changed (i've re-sent the email)`
`03:18.53`	`Leeds`	`I saw - have the photos changed or just the URL?`
`03:19.08`	`shai`	`just the URL (wrote that in the email body)`
`03:19.47`	`Leeds`	`friend of mine in Jerusalem had a son last week as well... and it was my birthday :-)`
`03:21.26`	`Leeds`	`shai: and in a bigger sense, everyone is okay?`
`03:21.37`	`Leeds`	`you're not heading up north or anything?`
`03:24.40`	`shai`	`we are not going anywhere`
`03:25.08`	`Leeds`	`so your services have not been required...`
`03:25.13`	`shai`	`and yea, we are all ok .. we have relatives up north (family of my mom's brother) and it is very hard to cope with`
`03:25.20`	`shai`	`gotta go help michal .. bbl`
`03:25.26`	`Leeds`	`say hi from me`
`03:25.36`	`shai`	`sure (and to your Q, no)`
`03:25.45`	`Leeds`	`good...`
`04:00.48`	`George`	`"At the other end of the scale, the average student in Cambridge spent £206 per week, but made just £69 from term-time employment."`
`04:00.55`	`George`	`how the fuck do you spend 206 pounds a week`
`04:01.39`	`George`	`oh wait, that includes accommodation`
`04:02.39`	`George`	`but still, accommodation is about 70 quid a week, that means you're spending 130 quid on food..`
`04:03.07`	`Leeds`	`and booze, travel, clothes, books, etc. etc.`
`04:03.40`	`George`	`booze counts as food`
`04:03.50`	`Leeds`	`no it doesn't`
`04:03.53`	`George`	`yes it does`
`04:33.16`	`Leeds`	`repeat after me: I am not tech support. If your Windows won't shut down properly - it's not my problem.`
`06:13.08`	`Leeds`	`http://tinyurl.com/f3h6k is interesting, and it's worth following the wikipedia link and reading the talk page...`
`06:14.36`	`Leeds`	`sorry, I meant http://tinyurl.com/lvlh3`
`06:23.59`	`Leeds`	`ibot time`
`06:24.01`	`ibot`	`You are educated stupid and therefore too dumb to understand nature's perfect time cube! (2006.08.07 6:24:01 GMT)`
`06:24.14`	`Leeds`	`ibot botsnack`
`06:24.14`	`ibot`	`:), Leeds`
`06:48.43`	`morsing`	`Ehhhh wethrin's server has gone down. FreeSD sucks`
`06:56.25`	`morsing`	`Leeds!`
`06:56.33`	`Leeds`	`yes?`
`06:58.02`	`morsing`	`'morning`
`06:58.47`	`Leeds`	`no`
`06:59.32`	`morsing`	`:(`
`06:59.41`	`Leeds`	`'afternoon`
`07:10.13`	`AndrewDBlack`	`morning`
`07:23.30`	`morsing`	`AndrewDBlack!`
`07:23.53`	`morsing`	`Leeds: You'll notice my backspace is now working because I'm using a PC :)`
`07:25.26`	`Leeds`	`um... I can't quite see that from here...`
`07:25.31`	`Leeds`	`didn't ctrl-h work, anyway?`
`07:28.07`	`morsing`	`Leeds: No. You can tell because I can say Leeds! which I can't easily without backspace`
`07:28.51`	`morsing`	`What?`
`07:28.51`	`Leeds`	`why not?`
`07:29.05`	`morsing`	`Well, I can but not worth the effort`
`07:29.16`	`Leeds`	`to press 5 keys, 2 with shift?`
`07:29.46`	`Leeds`	`uh, 6`
`07:32.26`	`morsing`	`What about AndrewDBlack ?`
`07:32.49`	`Leeds`	`I wouldn't expect you to type his overly-long nick, no... you might tire your fingers out`
`07:32.56`	`morsing`	`:)`
`07:33.04`	`Leeds`	`:-)`
`07:34.46`	`morsing`	`uptime`
`07:35.04`	`Leeds`	`15:34:55 up 4 days, 4:49, 0 users, load average: 0.27, 0.20, 0.23`
`07:37.09`	`sabinef72`	`morning all`
`07:37.21`	`Leeds`	`guten tag`
`07:39.34`	`morsing`	`sabinef72!`
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`07:40.36`	`morsing`	`SlayerXP!`
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`07:45.45`	`sabinef72`	`morsing !!!!!!!!!!`
`07:50.26`	`SlayerXP`	`sabine !!!!!!! ma cherie!!!!!!!!!!!`
`07:50.29`	`SlayerXP`	`ahem`
`07:50.42`	`sabinef72`	`SlayerXP: hu hu serait-ce une déclaration ?`
`07:51.04`	`SlayerXP`	`i don't know what "serait" means`
`07:51.18`	`SlayerXP`	`je comprend pas "serait"`
`07:51.57`	`SlayerXP`	`i must trick george into saying "je suis le petit ami du sabine"`
`07:52.05`	`sabinef72`	`it's the verb "to be" but with a special conjugaison`
`07:52.17`	`sabinef72`	`it means : Is it a declaration ?`
`07:52.30`	`sabinef72`	`SlayerXP: but George will laugh at you`
`07:52.40`	`sabinef72`	`because George knows I'm already married !!!!!!`
`07:52.55`	`SlayerXP`	`your '!' key is sticky, it seems`
`07:53.44`	`sabinef72`	`:-)`
`07:55.27`	`morsing`	`Mmm... George`
`07:57.55`	`sabinef72`	`how was your week end ?`
`07:58.22`	`morsing`	`Whoe are you asking?`
`07:58.24`	`morsing`	`Who`
`07:59.07`	`sabinef72`	`you`
`07:59.10`	`sabinef72`	`and SlayerXP too`
`07:59.23`	`SlayerXP`	`my weekend was speedy`
`07:59.32`	`Leeds`	`you spent it on drugs?`
`07:59.46`	`SlayerXP`	`i found a delicious recipe for barbeque-style sauce for spare ribs`
`08:00.21`	`SlayerXP`	`muahaha`
`08:00.23`	`SlayerXP`	`muahahahhahahahhaa`
`08:00.25`	`SlayerXP`	`MUAHAHAHHAHAHHA`
`08:00.26`	`SlayerXP`	`ahem`
`08:00.37`	`*** mode/#gllug [+o Leeds] by ChanServ`
`08:00.41`	`Leeds`	`go ahead, make my day`
`08:00.59`	`SlayerXP`	`coffee? tea?`
`08:01.05`	`SlayerXP`	`can I get you a biscuit also?`
`08:01.18`	`Leeds`	`tea would be nice, thanks - green and unsweetened :-)`
`08:01.23`	`*** mode/#gllug [-o Leeds] by ChanServ`
`08:02.01`	`SlayerXP`	`green tea?`
`08:02.05`	`Leeds`	`yup`
`08:02.15`	`SlayerXP`	`as in "vile and disgusting" ?`
`08:02.24`	`Leeds`	`as in 'the default local drink'`
`08:02.25`	`sabinef72`	`morsing: ?`
`08:02.28`	`SlayerXP`	`oh`
`08:02.34`	`Leeds`	`actually, I prefer iced and lemon...`
`08:02.42`	`SlayerXP`	`yuck`
`08:02.52`	`SlayerXP`	`I like my tea british style`
`08:03.07`	`Leeds`	`when it's 30C and 90% humidity outside, iced and lemon goes down well`
`08:03.54`	`sabinef72`	`Leeds: is it enough ?????????`
`08:04.02`	`sabinef72`	`Leeds: you ask a lot this morning !`
`08:04.08`	`Leeds`	`sabinef72: what?`
`08:05.02`	`sabinef72`	`Leeds: well you want a tea, but a green tea, but with ice, but with lemon, but with a biscuit.....`
`08:06.02`	`Leeds`	`sabinef72: SlayerXP, having threatened me with his power as list admin, then showed the correct respect when I showed my power in return`
`08:06.38`	`Leeds`	`I never asked for a biscuit!`
`08:06.51`	`morsing`	`sabinef72: I was hardly at home but had a good weekend with some problems`
`08:07.19`	`morsing`	`Spend the whole weekend at a very good friend's house`
`08:07.24`	`sabinef72`	`Leeds :-)`
`08:07.28`	`morsing`	`But he was on call till Sat morning`
`08:07.44`	`sabinef72`	`arg`
`08:07.52`	`morsing`	`And me and his wife again had a go at him for eing an out-of-control woorkaholic`
`08:08.12`	`SlayerXP`	`i was on call all weekend`
`08:08.27`	`SlayerXP`	`but given i have _zero_ access to the live environment, it was a moot point`
`08:08.30`	`morsing`	`SlayerXP: Did you sleep more than 4 hours over the weekend?`
`08:08.36`	`SlayerXP`	`hell yes`
`08:08.38`	`morsing`	`sleep!`
`08:08.45`	`morsing`	`SlayerXP: Not the same then`
`08:11.30`	`sabinef72`	`morsing: are you working now or still in vacation ?`
`08:17.54`	`morsing`	`I'm working`
`08:22.17`	`sabinef72`	`ok I see`
`08:22.27`	`sabinef72`	`so I won't disturb you`
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`08:28.48`	`Leeds`	`argh! fucking chain letters`
`08:28.53`	`Leeds`	`also, good afternoon Cope`
`08:30.06`	`Leeds`	`a little girl dying of cancer in a New York hospital wants you to send around this poem she wrote (incidentally, also, written by a bloke called David) and the American Cancer Society will pay 3c towards her treatment for everyone who reads it`
`08:30.45`	`hali`	`cool.. i wonder how they audit the "reads"`
`08:30.45`	`morsing`	`Cope!`
`08:30.57`	`hali`	`one might even think it's a hoax`
`08:31.53`	`Leeds`	`hali: if one had the slightest clue how the internets worked, yes... but there must be things somewhere on the series of tubes which let them count emails`
`08:32.35`	`hali`	`must have a massive regexp stretching over all those tubes... matching that poem`
`08:33.12`	`rhowe`	`Don't be silly`
`08:33.30`	`rhowe`	`It's monitored via the malware 99% of desktops have installed`
`08:33.55`	`Leeds`	`anyway, since of course it was cc:ed not bcc:ed, I sent back a reply to everyone... ha ha ha`
`08:34.16`	`Cope`	`,morning`
`08:54.37`	`Leeds`	`hmm... forgot I'd arranged to meet a couple of guys this evening for drinks - was thinking this was my night off this week... probably pub quizzing on Tuesday, leaving drinks and a mass dinner (conflict!) on Wednesday, and a comedy club with Indian buffet on Thursday`
`08:56.01`	`morsing`	`Leeds: When are you back again?`
`08:56.16`	`Leeds`	`27th - might be going to Spain for a few days that week`
`09:00.49`	`morsing`	`But we're still meeting for a drink?`
`09:03.32`	`sabinef72`	`Cope !!!!!!!!`
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`09:05.12`	`Cope`	`woo keithlard`
`09:09.06`	`Leeds`	`morsing: plans are fluid - but I should be in London for at least a few hours that day :-) Realistically, probably at least one night`
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`09:15.58`	`Leeds`	`hmm... French music again on my radio`
`09:17.21`	`phearless`	`lucky.`
`09:17.34`	`sabinef72`	`:-)`
`09:18.55`	`Leeds`	`Camille again`
`09:21.22`	`sabinef72`	`the radio only knows her ?`
`09:22.10`	`Leeds`	`what?`
`09:22.27`	`sabinef72`	`you said : Camille on the radio`
`09:22.33`	`Leeds`	`she's obviously made it onto their playlist`
`09:22.49`	`sabinef72`	`so I ask if the radio only knows her`
`09:23.06`	`sabinef72`	`you already heard french music on radio and it was already Camille`
`09:27.37`	`Leeds`	`yes, I think she's probably the only French artist - or artist performing in French - on the playlist... but that station is proud of not sticking to its playlist anyway - it's the second song I've heard on the radio today in French`
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`09:30.13`	`dpardo`	`Morning all`
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`09:31.05`	`Leeds`	`hometime bell!`
`09:34.55`	`dpardo`	`I'm looking at the linuxworld programme.. looks good.`
`09:35.46`	`Leeds`	`I hope I won't be able to make it`
`09:36.33`	`dpardo`	`make what?`
`09:36.52`	`Leeds`	`it to linuxworld`
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`09:37.14`	`dpardo`	`But aren't you in China? Will you come?`
`09:37.40`	`Leeds`	`well, I'll be in London next month, but if I'm still in London by the end of October, my plans will have failed pretty completely`
`09:37.51`	`Leeds`	`it's not quite either - I'm in Hong Kong`
`09:38.08`	`Leeds`	`sort of China, sort of not`
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`09:38.41`	`danip`	`Are you coming on vacation or something?`
`09:38.56`	`Leeds`	`uh... well, as of 26/8 I have no job and no home here`
`09:39.12`	`danip`	`Oops..`
`09:39.32`	`danip`	`So you plan to find another (job && home) from the UK?`
`09:39.46`	`Leeds`	`so my plan at the moment is to head back to the UK - bought a flight last week, slightly worried that the charge hasn't showed on my card, and it's not showing on my account at Virgin's site`
`09:39.59`	`Leeds`	`stay in the UK until the first week of October... then come back out here`
`09:40.37`	`Leeds`	`I haven't done much real job-hunting, but I have done some networking... meeting up with a bloke I know tonight, planning to discuss possible work`
`09:40.40`	`danip`	`:) So you really enjoy china don't you? Isn't it too overcrowded?`
`09:40.56`	`Leeds`	`I enjoy Hong Kong - I've never been to China, although I do have a visa...`
`09:41.19`	`Leeds`	`http://www.wanderingjew.co.uk/Hong_Kong/urban_wasteland.html`
`09:41.36`	`danip`	`I guess if you're english, then that's a bonus for getting a job in there.`
`09:41.54`	`Leeds`	`that's my thoughts on the overcrowding... in short - yes, some areas are overcrowded, but that's largely because about 2/3 of the land is undeveloped`
`09:43.34`	`danip`	`I already find London overcrowded.. I better don't go to HongKong :)`
`09:44.42`	`Leeds`	`honestly, I sort of find my area here to have a lot more of a community feel than I did in London`
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`09:46.14`	`danip`	`Yep, London and other cities are quite awful in this sense..`
`09:47.14`	`Leeds`	`one of the really nice things about Hong Kong is that it's actually a small town`
`09:47.37`	`danip`	`you mean in size?`
`09:47.40`	`Cope`	`I am enjoying being in the countyside now`
`09:47.46`	`Leeds`	`you bump into people you know... you can walk a lot of places... you get known in the shops`
`09:48.02`	`Leeds`	`Cope: but you have to admit that it's not the most convenient thing, work-wise`
`09:49.59`	`Cope`	`well, i had no problem finding a job outside london`
`09:50.13`	`danip`	`Mmm.. work-wise vs life-wise... nice question. IMHO, a high % of people in london are more work-wise. Acutally, feels their life are work-driven`
`09:50.30`	`Cope`	`but maybe i was lucky`
`09:50.48`	`Leeds`	`danip: that's the case for people here too - but it's also a really fun place to live`
`09:52.01`	`danip`	`And wich are your long-term plans leeds? :D`
`09:52.14`	`Leeds`	`at a very simple level - big party on Saturday night, which we started by jumping on a ferry across the harbour, then went to a hugely-expensive bar with a great harbour view`
`09:52.24`	`Leeds`	`long-term? I'm moving to Israel`
`09:52.49`	`danip`	`Really!!??`
`09:52.52`	`Leeds`	`yes`
`09:53.01`	`SlayerXP`	`i'd avoid any country that has religion as it's chief export`
`09:53.18`	`danip`	`Man, that's not either work-friendly nor life-fliendly no?`
`09:53.34`	`Leeds`	`danip: both - lots of tech work there, and lots of nice single Jewish girls`
`09:53.57`	`danip`	`lots of bullents hanging around too..`
`09:54.07`	`Leeds`	`a few`
`09:54.27`	`Leeds`	`things are obviously particularly bad at the moment... but it's been much better for most of the past decade`
`09:55.50`	`danip`	`Mm.. I'm just staying in London for a year, then back to Spain again. But If I had to go somewhere else, I'd go to Northern Europe.`
`09:56.07`	`Leeds`	`like... Norway?`
`09:56.33`	`danip`	`Had been in Norway 3 years ago, 15 days on August.. was nice. Peaceful.`
`09:56.58`	`SlayerXP`	`having just come back from living in norway for a year, I advise against it`
`09:57.00`	`danip`	`But I guess winter is too hard there. At least for an Spaniard like me :)`
`09:57.12`	`SlayerXP`	`nah, it only got down to -27 at my place.`
`09:57.20`	`danip`	`SlayerXP: Are you Martin?`
`09:57.24`	`SlayerXP`	`yes`
`09:57.33`	`Leeds`	`are you Martian?`
`09:57.34`	`SlayerXP`	`well, I'm _a_ Martin, there's loads of us about`
`09:57.49`	`danip`	`:) We xchanged a few mails about London, remember?`
`09:58.04`	`SlayerXP`	`oh yes`
`09:58.09`	`SlayerXP`	`you made it, then?`
`09:58.18`	`danip`	`Yep! here I am.`
`09:58.48`	`SlayerXP`	`my advise was at least partially correct, then :)`
`09:59.02`	`SlayerXP`	`advice`
`09:59.15`	`danip`	`Yep, was quite valuable.`
`10:00.10`	`danip`	`Things haven't been quite good actually. I read that you were back from Norway. How went the appliance mail project?`
`10:00.54`	`SlayerXP`	`the mail appliance went okay`
`10:01.16`	`SlayerXP`	`the spam/virus hosted filtering is going even better`
`10:01.32`	`SlayerXP`	`found it. you mailed me on feb 1st this year.`
`10:01.52`	`morsing`	`Check it!`
`10:02.29`	`SlayerXP`	`i like keeping mail`
`10:02.37`	`SlayerXP`	`it's nice to trip people up`
`10:02.44`	`danip`	`:) I think we came here on 1st of April.`
`10:02.53`	`SlayerXP`	`"Yes, but on march 27th 2001 you said.... therefore that makes you a big fat liar"`
`10:03.55`	`danip`	`I remember emailing you not much before coming to London. Thats correct no?`
`10:04.17`	`SlayerXP`	`well, you mailed me Feb 1st`
`10:04.37`	`danip`	`And on March too?`
`10:05.59`	`SlayerXP`	`i just have two messages from you`
`10:06.14`	`SlayerXP`	`it's possible I'm missing some`
`10:06.29`	`danip`	`Wich date? I remember one was asking for flat things..`
`10:06.40`	`danip`	`We also talked about some mail hosting thing for you.`
`10:07.05`	`SlayerXP`	`both messages on the 1st`
`10:07.15`	`SlayerXP`	`danip: that turned in to http://www.antibodymx.net/`
`10:07.35`	`danip`	`1st of Feb? What did I say?`
`10:08.02`	`danip`	`Yep, I remember visiting that URL.`
`10:08.36`	`SlayerXP`	`" Hi Martin, I hope you don't mind if I make you a quick question :)`
`10:08.36`	`SlayerXP`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:08.36`	`SlayerXP`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:08.46`	`danip`	`Nice to know it's going good. Is it using an already existing FOSS antispam filter?`
`10:09.09`	`SlayerXP`	`it uses a combination of postgres, exim4, clamav and spamassassin`
`10:09.18`	`danip`	`Yep, I remember saying that! :)) On Feb? Wow.. time flies then!`
`10:10.44`	`SlayerXP`	`greylist=# select count(*) from domain_owners;`
`10:10.44`	`SlayerXP`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:10.44`	`SlayerXP`	`-------`
`10:10.44`	`SlayerXP`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:10.44`	`SlayerXP`	`(1 row)`
`10:10.45`	`danip`	`And how is it that you're in the UK again? Too cold up there?`
`10:11.00`	`SlayerXP`	`didn't work out in norway. neither my partner nor I could get work`
`10:11.15`	`danip`	`Wow.. you relay 75 domains already? Then you forward the clean ones to their destination?`
`10:11.20`	`SlayerXP`	`basically, if you're not norwegian it's very very hard to get a job`
`10:11.35`	`SlayerXP`	`danip: exactly.`
`10:11.37`	`Leeds`	`SlayerXP: legal, language or exclusive reasons?`
`10:11.59`	`SlayerXP`	`Leeds: on average, norwegians are racist.`
`10:12.29`	`danip`	`wow.. Must have been hard. Specially with those HIGH prices they have.`
`10:12.45`	`SlayerXP`	`yep`
`10:13.30`	`danip`	`Didn't you think about moving a little in the south? Stockholm or something like that?`
`10:15.21`	`SlayerXP`	`yes`
`10:15.35`	`SlayerXP`	`i went to two interviews in Oslo. had I got the job we would have moved down there`
`10:16.44`	`danip`	`Olso is also very small. I thout it was going to be bigger. I Only spent there 2 days.`
`10:17.12`	`danip`	`What moved you to Norway, btw?`
`10:18.04`	`SlayerXP`	`danip: when I worked for Yahoo I spent several weeks working over there.`
`10:18.07`	`hali`	`fresh fish :)`
`10:18.20`	`hali`	`isn't that about the only good thing about norway?`
`10:18.43`	`danip`	`do yahoo have offices in Norway?`
`10:18.50`	`SlayerXP`	`yes`
`10:19.04`	`SlayerXP`	`they bought out a chunk of Fast Search & Transfer`
`10:19.08`	`SlayerXP`	`(including me)`
`10:19.29`	`SlayerXP`	`they definately have office in Trondheim, no idea where else`
`10:20.57`	`danip`	`Soo you liked it and wanted to try living there for a while?`
`10:21.02`	`SlayerXP`	`yep`
`10:23.08`	`danip`	`That's good. And wich plans do you have for the future?`
`10:23.31`	`SlayerXP`	`i'm on a stability drive`
`10:23.39`	`Leeds`	`austerity?`
`10:23.46`	`SlayerXP`	`i've taken a full time job which I hope to be doing for at least a few years`
`10:24.00`	`SlayerXP`	`and developing abmx on the side`
`10:24.13`	`SlayerXP`	`and you lot aren't helping.`
`10:24.20`	`SlayerXP`	`j'accuse`
`10:24.25`	`Leeds`	`SlayerXP: entertain me!`
`10:24.51`	`danip`	`SlayerXP: you're on footango, right?`
`10:25.06`	`SlayerXP`	`yup`
`10:26.05`	`danip`	`btw, how could we help wth abmx?`
`10:26.34`	`Leeds`	`danip: you are aware that abmx is a commercial product, not a free software project?`
`10:26.47`	`danip`	`yep.`
`10:31.35`	`danip`	`How many more people are with you with the abmx project?`
`10:39.02`	`morsing`	`Could someone please text Dan and tell him his server is down. I'm being spammed with "Server down" emils!`
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`12:21.21`	`morsing`	`Anyone manage to contact Dan?`
`12:24.56`	`SlayerXP`	`danip: there's two of us`
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`12:33.31`	`danip`	`SlayerXP: If you're comming on Saturday, I hope we can have a chat. I owe you a beer :)`
`12:34.11`	`SlayerXP`	`fair enough`
`12:34.19`	`SlayerXP`	`i may be, I think my partner is working`
`12:35.02`	`danip`	`mine too. So I'll be attending the meeting. It's not highly technical, but must be entertaining and interesting.`
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`12:55.18`	`JAV`	`good afternoon`
`12:58.05`	`morsing`	`JAV:`
`12:58.06`	`morsing`	`!`
`13:02.04`	`danip`	`Hi JAV`
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`13:22.22`	`Leeds`	`so, I go to the pub, have a couple of pints, wander along the road to the curry house for a takeaway... and they're filming a Christmas scene from a movie outside it`
`13:23.32`	`Leeds`	`there is one person in a Santa costume and a bunch in Santa hats, hitting each other with balloons, while a load of people with still and moving cameras, and quite a few random onlookers, look on`
`13:23.38`	`George`	`hrmm`
`13:23.44`	`George`	`I have a confirmed booth at LWCE.`
`13:24.32`	`Leeds`	`and I have a dilemma... potential PHP job in HK`
`13:26.29`	`George`	`HAHAHAHA`
`13:27.00`	`Leeds`	`want job in HK!`
`13:27.16`	`George`	`web monkey!`
`13:29.42`	`George`	`hah`
`13:29.59`	`George`	`cope's machine is named mozrat?`
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`13:30.35`	`Leeds`	`yes`
`13:32.29`	`morsing`	`Cope!`
`13:32.48`	`morsing`	`George: You suck!`
`13:32.56`	`George`	`no, no I don't`
`13:33.02`	`George`	`I'm not a female`
`13:41.45`	`JAV`	`George, where will be LWCE?`
`13:41.56`	`George`	`London`
`13:42.22`	`z00dax`	`you`
`13:42.23`	`z00dax`	`guys`
`13:42.23`	`z00dax`	`speak`
`13:42.24`	`z00dax`	`too`
`13:42.26`	`z00dax`	`much`
`13:43.03`	`Leeds`	`s`
`13:43.04`	`Leeds`	`o`
`13:43.05`	`Leeds`	`r`
`13:43.06`	`Leeds`	`y`
`13:43.41`	`z00dax`	`lunch with a lot of pain ?`
`13:44.07`	`z00dax`	`meeting the wife for lunch or something ?`
`13:44.07`	`Leeds`	`z00dax: in a lot of pain, I think`
`13:45.01`	`JAV`	`Leeds, could be, yes ;)`
`13:45.25`	`Leeds`	`bloody foreigners, come in our IRC channel, can't even speak the language fluently...`
`13:46.00`	`JAV`	`I'm far from being fluent in engrish :D`
`13:46.08`	`George`	`Leeds: Leeds is practically foreign!`
`13:46.16`	`Leeds`	`if I try really hard, I may make it up to 20 characters of Chinese I can read before leaving`
`13:46.17`	`George`	`that said, I was born in .au`
`13:46.28`	`George`	`and raised in .hk, .tw, .kr and finally .uk`
`13:46.36`	`Leeds`	`George: did you get the letter to prove that you're not a convict?`
`13:46.46`	`George`	`?`
`13:46.56`	`Leeds`	`that you're a Brit`
`13:46.59`	`George`	`I only know three characters of chinese`
`13:47.02`	`George`	`1, 2 & 3`
`13:47.11`	`George`	`Leeds: I've got a bloody passport.`
`13:47.14`	`Leeds`	`they're pretty damn easy`
`13:47.17`	`morsing`	`Check it!`
`13:47.26`	`Leeds`	`- and = are 1 and 2... 3 follows the pattern`
`13:47.35`	`George`	`Leeds: indeed`
`13:47.45`	`George`	`Leeds: I also know the character for "jhong"`
`13:47.50`	`George`	`Leeds: in mandarin, that is`
`13:47.53`	`morsing`	`George: Beer`
`13:47.58`	`George`	`Leeds: looks vaguely like a phi in greek`
`13:48.31`	`Leeds`	`uh, what is jhong?`
`13:48.46`	`George`	`tI have no idea`
`13:48.54`	`George`	`it's the first character in my hometown in Taiwan`
`13:49.07`	`Leeds`	`ah`
`13:49.19`	`Leeds`	`L is the first character of my hometown`
`13:49.40`	`George`	`loser`
`13:49.42`	`George`	`:P`
`13:53.51`	`morsing`	`R is the first character in my home town`
`13:57.45`	`George`	`morsing: you suck`
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`14:20.39`	`z00dax`	`ok, so on a freebsd machine - where might i find the apache config's ?`
`14:20.58`	`z00dax`	`to start with - how would i find out if apache is even installed ?`
`14:23.24`	`danip`	`find / -name httpd?`
`14:23.29`	`SlayerXP`	`telnet localhost 80`
`14:23.42`	`SlayerXP`	`any then the config file could be literally anywhere :)`
`14:24.01`	`z00dax`	`SlayerXP: its not running, nothing on :80`
`14:24.01`	`SlayerXP`	`/usr/local/etc/opt/local/etc/apace2/etc/httpd.conf`
`14:24.06`	`z00dax`	`nice`
`14:24.25`	`danip`	`find / -name httpd.conf? :)`
`14:25.06`	`z00dax`	`are you sure thats what its called on FreeBSD ?`
`14:25.13`	`SlayerXP`	`z00dax: the best thing to do is probably insert a debian install cd and reboot. follow the on-screen prompts and then "apt-get install apache2"`
`14:25.23`	`danip`	`:))`
`14:25.34`	`z00dax`	`why would i want to make things worse ?`
`14:25.53`	`z00dax`	`might CentOS'ify it - but need a nod from elsewhere for that to happen`
`14:26.43`	`danip`	`why are you using freebsd, z00dax?`
`14:27.17`	`z00dax`	`danip: I am not, its using me at this time :)`
`14:27.38`	`z00dax`	`the machine was already setup with freebsd, and has been for a while. not my fault!`
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`14:28.30`	`Leeds`	`and I find it hard to communicate without being sarcastic :-)`
`14:28.40`	`z00dax`	`start using expanded smileys`
`14:28.45`	`z00dax`	`smile`
`14:28.50`	`z00dax`	`sarcastic twist`
`14:31.58`	`Leeds`	`can't waste the bytes in an SMS!`
`14:32.58`	`rhowe`	`"come over for a shower"`
`14:33.58`	`Leeds`	`nah, that was Maisie`
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`14:35.41`	`rhowe`	`OK, so how's this for a deal from an ISP?`
`14:36.07`	`Cope`	`what's the nifty trick for tarring a dir with 10000000000000000000s of files in it? like having to use xargs or some such?`
`14:36.16`	`rhowe`	`Bonded ADSLMax, plus a 2Mbit/s leased line with a /24 of public address space on the leased line (with BGP failover to the ADSL) and a /28 on the ADSLMax too`
`14:36.31`	`rhowe`	`Cope: tar .?`
`14:37.37`	`Cope`	`find . \| cpio -ocB >$CPIOFILE`
`14:37.42`	`Cope`	`or something like that`
`14:37.55`	`rhowe`	`cpio I have never used`
`14:38.14`	`rhowe`	`find is usually nicer when used with -print0, but I don't know if cpio can handle \0 terminated filenames`
`14:47.30`	`rhowe`	`ibot change 8100 gbp to nok`
`14:47.36`	`rhowe`	`ibot change 1050 gbp to nok`
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`14:55.52`	`morsing`	`huw-l!`
`14:55.56`	`morsing`	`rhowe!`
`14:56.05`	`huw-l`	`afternoon`
`14:56.33`	`Leeds`	`mozring!`
`14:59.53`	`rhowe`	`Henrik`
`15:16.41`	`morsing`	`rhowe: Me and a friend enjoyed the Chimay last night with a BBQ. Nice :)`
`15:17.05`	`morsing`	`http://www.chimay.be/`
`15:17.30`	`morsing`	`rhowe: Why are you ignoring me?`
`15:17.34`	`JAV`	`good beer`
`15:23.22`	`antiphase`	`Urine samples`
`15:24.38`	`Cope`	`Dear IBM, FFS put a decent shell on your system by default! Jesus wept! Thanks, S.`
`15:24.43`	`boudiccas`	`antiphase; msu?`
`15:25.44`	`cpufreak`	`Cope: whats wrong with csh?`
`15:27.01`	`morsing`	`Cope: Nothing wrong with ksh`
`15:27.26`	`SlayerXP`	`....that's typing "bash" doesn't fix`
`15:28.07`	`danip`	`:)`
`15:33.04`	`rhowe`	`morsing: heh, glad to hear it`
`15:33.22`	`rhowe`	`morsing: I bought a bottle of gueuze at the same time and it exploded all over the lounge :P`
`15:40.06`	`Cope`	`morsing: ksh93 is fine; ksh88 is horrid`
`16:04.16`	`Leeds`	`alright, brushing teeth and bed...`
`16:07.23`	`Leeds`	`sabinef72: your beer?`
`16:07.36`	`sabinef72`	`well almost my favorite`
`16:08.02`	`antiphase`	`It's not real beer`
`16:09.47`	`sabinef72`	`lol`
`16:09.48`	`sabinef72`	`why ?`
`16:13.11`	`Leeds`	`well, a couple of pints on an empty stomach is quite noticeable`
`16:13.27`	`Leeds`	`hence zzzzzzzz - night all`
`16:14.32`	`sabinef72`	`a couple of pints ?????`
`16:14.37`	`sabinef72`	`my god it's too much`
`16:18.06`	`antiphase`	`Hoegaarden hasn't really got beery type ingredients in it, and does have herb and fruit adulterants. I liken drinking it to consuming the urine of a career sausage-eater with a urinary tract infection.`
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`16:22.12`	`boudiccas`	`i like Shepherd Neames 'Spitfire'`
`16:22.28`	`cpufreak`	`its alright`
`16:22.37`	`cpufreak`	`its ad campaign is better than its taste tho`
`16:23.00`	`antiphase`	`It's fairly average, but pleasant enough`
`16:23.09`	`boudiccas`	`never seen its ad campaign [I'm not that old :o]`
`16:23.16`	`cpufreak`	`its ad campaign is still ongoing`
`16:23.40`	`boudiccas`	`oh! haven't seen any ads for it, but then I haven't got a tv`
`16:24.01`	`cpufreak`	`http://www.spitfireale.co.uk/advertising/ad52004th.gif`
`16:24.07`	`cpufreak`	`they're not on tv`
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`16:24.30`	`cpufreak`	`http://www.spitfireale.co.uk/advertising/press2005.htm`
`16:25.37`	`boudiccas`	`bit anti-german aren't they :)`
`16:26.07`	`antiphase`	`They're meant to have a new comic-based one, that's equally as anti-Teutonic. We won the war, after all.`
`16:27.52`	`boudiccas`	`I found Theakston's 'Old Peculiar' to be a bit thick and treacly when I tried it a few years ago`
`16:28.15`	`antiphase`	`That's more mild than bitter`
`16:36.24`	`Erwin`	`Double chocolate stout :)`
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`16:41.45`	`eyore`	`my robotic vacuum cleaner has arrived, but it's still charging.`
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`19:07.36`	`George`	`take a drink - and you'll sink - to a state of pure inebriation`
`19:07.48`	`George`	`you'll be tanked like the whole irish nation`
`19:10.01`	`cpufreak`	`go inject yourelse with heroin instead.`
`19:33.24`	`JAV`	`finally I've found the source of fatal segfaults in my desktop computer`
`19:33.53`	`JAV`	`after lots of testing the winner is..... the keyboard`
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`19:50.29`	`goblimey`	`sabinef72, are you here ?`
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`20:07.44`	`goblimey`	`evidently not`
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`21:19.34`	`benoit`	`hello`
`21:34.00`	`sabinef72`	`good night`
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`23:10.03`	`George`	`wethrin: PHOTOS`
`23:10.52`	`wethrin`	`Yeah, yeah. Does the FsPHPGallery do its thumbnail generation in parallel?`
`23:11.37`	`George`	`no idea`
`23:11.47`	`George`	`go ask Chris Howells who wrote it :P`
`23:11.49`	`George`	`I only hacked it`
`23:11.52`	`wethrin`	`You tested it :-P`
`23:12.13`	`wethrin`	`I put some photos up there, tried to load the directory, and the server crashed`
`23:12.41`	`George`	`hahahahahahaha`
`23:12.46`	`wethrin`	`Which I put down to running out of memory due to too many resizing operations happening at the same time`
`23:12.52`	`George`	`hahahahahahahaha`
`23:12.56`	`wethrin`	`Not actually bothering to read the source code :)`
`23:13.01`	`George`	`hahahahahahahahhaahahaha`
`23:13.07`	`wethrin`	`Your software sucks :-P`
`23:13.09`	`wethrin`	`Test it better`
`23:13.15`	`George`	`it's not mine`
`23:13.28`	`wethrin`	`yeah yeah`
`23:13.31`	`wethrin`	`:-P`
`23:28.44`	`Jasperw`	`hi, does anyone remember there being some law about how computers must be sold with an operating system?`
`23:29.03`	`George`	`Jasperw: no`
`23:29.15`	`George`	`Jasperw: iirc MS's OEM licence requires it`
`23:29.17`	`George`	`or something`
`23:30.34`	`wethrin`	`but there's no law about it`
`23:31.14`	`George`	`I think MS say that they're not allowed to sell a computer without an OS`
`23:31.15`	`George`	`so`
`23:31.16`	`George`	`blah`
`23:31.53`	`wethrin`	`The vendors lose their bulk licencing deals if they don't sell MS software`
`23:32.03`	`wethrin`	`But that's quite different from it being legal`
`23:45.52`	`Jasperw`	`i thought under microsoft new 11 (?) rules that they publish a flat volume licence price list, so that they can't do that any more.`
`23:46.32`	`Jasperw`	`the whole "Sell linux and we stop the volume license discount" thing was one of the reasons the EU slaped MS - it's how MS killed BeOS...`
`23:47.16`	`George`	`wethrin: PHOTOS`
`23:47.34`	`Jasperw`	`I think the only thing left is the "... recommends Microsoft Windows XP" you see scattered everywhere - microsoft gives you cash if you advertise them`
`23:48.01`	`Jasperw`	`but i don't think it's legal for them to stop you and "and linux" on the end.`
`23:50.17`	`Leeds`	`Jasperw: how many boxen?`
`23:51.55`	`Jasperw`	`I'm trying to get a laptop with:`
`23:52.00`	`Jasperw`	`screen bigger than 1024x768`
`23:52.05`	`Jasperw`	`AMD Turion X2`
`23:52.09`	`Jasperw`	`ATI graphics`
`23:52.15`	`Jasperw`	`preferably fairly small`
`23:52.22`	`Jasperw`	`and...`
`23:52.25`	`Jasperw`	`without windows`
`23:52.49`	`Jasperw`	`It looks like i can get a barebones laptop from saveastore/watford elec. but they are a bit dodgey`
`23:53.19`	`Jasperw`	`i can get a system from novatech, but just a normal turion, not an x2 (i want an x2 cos of the virtulisation stuff).`
`23:55.26`	`Leeds`	`one laptop?`
`23:55.37`	`Jasperw`	`yup`
`23:55.43`	`Jasperw`	`this would be v. nice: http://www.msicomputer.co.uk/products.aspx?product_id=703694&cat_id=390`
`23:55.47`	`Jasperw`	`i like orange :P`
`23:57.26`	`Leeds`	`a) there are still not many turion x2 laptops out there`
`23:58.10`	`Leeds`	`b) if you want a single machine, no retailer is going to give a fsck what you want - if you're buying 100, or maybe even 10, they'll talk to you, otherwise they'll just sell you what they want to sell you`
`23:58.26`	`Jasperw`	`sure, but i can have fun trying :)`
`23:58.49`	`Leeds`	`there's a certain point where it gets beyond fun and into frustrating and a waste of time`
`23:59.24`	`Leeds`	`sorry - I've been looking at laptops recently, and I got cyncial`

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