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00:07.38rhowemmm, medicine bar
00:33.48JAVgood night
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02:11.40copehi Leeds
02:12.02Leedsmorning cope
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06:41.02morsing'morning
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06:41.08Nylexhi
06:41.12morsingNylex!
06:41.25Nylex:)
06:42.07morsing~seen mozrat
06:42.09ibotmozrat is currently on #gllug (8h 54m 57s), last said: 'nope :-)'.
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06:47.06coperelo Leeds
06:47.47Leedsthank you, thank you...
06:48.11Leedsjust playing with my X again - got it cloned from my laptop screen to an external one
06:48.37Leedsonly problem is that the external one is 4:3 while the internal one is 16:10
06:49.37Leedsso it's missing off the very bottom of the screen, while crushing the edges in :-)
06:52.00morsingcope!
06:52.08copehello morsing
06:52.09morsingLeeds!
06:52.38copemorsing: david is on leave from monday!
06:53.21Leedsmorsing!
06:54.46morsingcope: How long?
06:54.50morsingArrhhhg
06:55.01morsingcope: I've got your Python ticket :)
06:55.05morsingMmm... Python
06:56.30morsingLeeds: So how do I configure my LinkSys WAP without Windows?
06:58.11Leedsmorsing: web interface?
06:58.41morsingCool:
06:58.43morsinghttp://www.stanford.edu/group/networking/lnaguide/docs/linksys/
06:59.03morsingLeeds: In the manual there's no other way than the Windows software described :(
07:00.52copemorsing: 10 days
07:01.07copesee you soon
07:02.38Leedsmorsing: you're telling me there isn't a single mention in the manual of a web interface?
07:04.24Leedspotentially, I'm talking about a pdf on the supplied CD, rather than the 2-page 'quickstart' manual it came with on paper - that's a complete guess
07:05.18morsingLeeds: Haven't looked at the CD. On the CD itself it says PDF about something but it's not a manual
07:05.28morsingIt *should* be in the quick start guide
07:08.07Leedswhy? the quickstart guide is for drooling windows victims
07:12.27morsing:(
07:12.34morsingI'm a drooling Windows victim
07:12.37morsing:)
07:12.45morsingBeing forced to use it at work
07:18.37morsingWhere do I find a hardwrae guide on a Sun 280R?
07:19.53Leedsat docs.sun.com
07:20.01morsingNope - not there
07:20.54halimorsing: sunsolve.sun.com
07:21.01halimorsing: what do you want to know? :)
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07:21.54morsinghali: I'm installing some memory at 7am tomorrow morning, half asleep
07:22.08morsingI just want to look at the inside of the box before opening it
07:23.32halimorsing: i hope you have a sun contract... the bastards have blocked access to most in depth stuff requires a login
07:32.00morsingWe do...
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07:40.15SlayerXPyou know, I love my norwegian bank
07:40.32SlayerXPyou click on the "english" flag and you get presented with an enlgish login screen
07:40.36Leedsand I'm sure they love you
07:40.54SlayerXPyou enter your details, log in successfully and it's all in norwegian
07:41.28Leedsbut surely you speak fluent Norwegish?
07:41.35SlayerXPno
07:41.40SlayerXPI speak pigeon norwelsh
07:42.45Leedsyou speach Norwegais like a diseased bird?
07:42.59SlayerXPmost norwegians don't actually speak norwegian
07:43.22SlayerXPthere's two official languages  bokmal and nynorsk
07:43.34SlayerXPand then there's one local dialect per vally
07:43.44SlayerXPand there are a lot of valleys
07:43.57SlayerXPand then you get regional variants like Trondelish
07:44.47SlayerXPyou may as well try to understand a drunk glaswegian on helium
07:44.59haliand norweigans don't have any (hardly) foreign words... like banana is "yellow bend"
07:49.17SlayerXPerrm, no, it isn't :)
07:49.42Leedsmmm... yellow bend...
07:57.54Leedsgulebj
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08:16.18LeedsCope!
08:16.27Copeello
08:16.46Leedshow is reasonably-greater-london this morning?
08:17.55Copegreater hampshire is grey
08:20.48Nylexsunny
08:22.57SlayerXPhttp://www.boingboing.net/2006/08/10/if_the_liquid_could_.html
08:28.01mozratmorning guys
08:28.16Nylexhi
08:28.38mozratslayerxp, did you see my gllugadmin post last night? could you take care of that?
08:29.07SlayerXPerrm, no, yes
08:29.13SlayerXPwell, maybe
08:29.36Leedsmozrat!
08:29.58mozratLeeds!!
08:30.17mozratack, my mail was held for moderation :(
08:31.20Leedsyou are transporting an extinct elephant?
08:32.56mozratyes! all the way from Cornwall to London
08:33.11Leedsso are you actually riding the mammoth?
08:33.18Nylexhow many miles is that? Heh
08:33.45merlinndon't come to london
08:33.47merlinnit's shit
08:33.56SlayerXPmozrat: I lack your original annoucement
08:34.30mozratSlayerXP - get it from the archive or the gllug-announce web archive
08:34.58mozratthe subject would be something like GLLUG Meeting 12 August
08:35.02Leeds"Well, I would walk 500 miles, and I would walk 500 more..."
08:35.30mozratNot sure how many mile but I do have 2 children with very small bladders
08:35.49Nylexah :(
08:36.08mozratwhich will need to be taken care of at annoyingly regular intervals
08:36.47mozratim all for sticking their asses out of the window at 60mph but apparently this isnt the done thing
08:37.15Nylexlol
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08:46.49morsingCope?
08:47.09Copehigh/low water marks
08:49.48morsingCope: RFC? David promised he'd email the RFC number
08:52.11SlayerXPmozrat: I don't see anything like that
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08:55.09Nylexhttp://lists.gllug.org.uk/pipermail/gllug-announce/2006/000107.html ?
08:55.50SlayerXPoh yes
08:55.54Nylex:)
08:58.08mozratSlayerxp, hmmmm
08:58.22SlayerXPgot it, working....
08:59.58SlayerXPmozrat: done.
09:00.56mozrathttp://lists.gllug.org.uk/pipermail/gllug-announce/2006/000107.html
09:01.07mozratahh, you guys beat me :-)
09:01.13mozratthanks slayerxp
09:01.41SlayerXPbah, sent from the wrong bloody address :)
09:02.03morsingSlayerXP!
09:02.07morsinggoltor!
09:02.36SlayerXPhey henrik
09:03.05SlayerXPmozrat: btw, I added your patch to the gllugfaq.  <qandaentry> tags are more important than you seem to think :)
09:10.03morsingCheck it!
09:10.23goltorgoltor!
09:25.04wethrinmoin
09:25.29Nylexlo
09:25.52Leedsgoltor?
09:27.55wethrinHmm..."an associate of the FSF, a fellow of FSFe, and a member of New Labour". Spot which one doesn't fit a pattern
09:28.14Nylexlol
09:29.34morsingwethrin!
09:29.39morsingwethrin: Happy birthday!
09:30.11Nylexhappy birthday!
09:31.27morsing~seen TIm
09:31.34ibottim <n=user@221.201.160.168> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 74d 19h 16m 35s ago, saying: 'pvd2006: I thought to upgrade to ubuntu. but from your result, I will keep my debian.'.
09:31.40morsingNylex: Repeat after me...
09:31.46Leeds~seen timmagic
09:31.47ibottimmagic <n=tmlukejo@ppp-3-87.lond-a-3.access.uk.tiscali.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 20d 11h 36m 6s ago, saying: 'but no one else is here...'.
09:32.06Nylexsorry :(
09:32.21Leedswethrin: Happy Birthday!
09:32.37morsingLeeds: Change the topic
09:33.32morsingLeeds?
09:34.27Leedsmorsing: ?
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09:35.17Leedsokay, this is now - apparently - twice in a week that emails I've bcc:ed to a bunch of people have got to some, but not to others - particularly not to those at hotmail.com
09:36.19SlayerXPhotmail users get exactly what they pay for
09:36.31SlayerXPoffer them gmail invites
09:36.32LeedsSlayerXP: but so do gmail users
09:36.44LeedsI offered her - she ignored the offer
09:36.53SlayerXPassuming she got it :)
09:37.21SlayerXPi can imagine some hotmail gmail invite delete-o-matic
09:37.33morsingLeeds: So how do I add to the topic without deleting stuff?
09:37.59Leedsmorsing: it's called cut'n'paste
09:38.11LeedsSlayerXP: nah, I offered in SMS - she didn't reply to that part of the message
09:41.06Leedshometime!
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09:57.54Blapto|WorkHi
09:57.58Nylexhi
09:58.14Blapto|Workhow goes it
09:58.27Nylexmeh
09:58.30Nylexyourself?
09:58.41Blapto|WorkJust tired
09:59.15Nylex:)
10:00.40Blapto|WorkWent to a friends house yesterday, took my bass, another friend took his really cool USB keyboard.
10:00.52Blapto|WorkSpent about 3 hours making really awful sounding music
10:01.06Nylexlol
10:01.40Blapto|WorkThere was a guitar there as well, and an almost in tune piano.
10:02.02Nylexhrh
10:02.15Nylex-r+e
10:03.27Nylexdo people trust buying computer stuff from eBay?
10:03.35merlinndepends on the stuff
10:03.39merlinni'd buy say a NIC
10:03.55merlinnbut Id' rather go abseiling out the window using my penis, than buy a hard disk
10:04.11Nylexmotherboards?
10:04.23Nylexand lol
10:04.24merlinni'd be inclined not to
10:04.34merlinnbut I know people who have bought stuff
10:04.45merlinnand a lot of the ebay shops that sell new hardware
10:04.50Blapto|WorkWell, if it's from a large dealer and it's all sealed stuff, I don't see that there's a problem
10:04.51merlinnprovide a returns policy
10:04.57merlinnyeah
10:05.02merlinnif it's a used one - I'd be wary
10:05.05Blapto|WorkLoads of stores are selling on eBay now.
10:05.15Nylexah nice one, thanks :)
10:05.19Blapto|WorkI wouldn't buy used high spec hardware on eBay
10:05.47Blapto|WorkIf an AM2 motherboard or something pops up, you just know that it's got a minor fault somewhere.
10:06.01Nylexyeah
10:06.19Blapto|WorkIt's basically impossible to get support if you're a consumer who has bought, say, a motherboard.
10:06.35Blapto|WorkIf you're running windows, they'll send you straight to microsoft, who will refuse to do anything.
10:06.51Blapto|WorkIf you're running linux, they don't support it so any diagnosis you make isn't relevant.
10:06.54merlinnI've given up on building computers
10:07.00Blapto|WorkUnless the board is physically damaged, you're fucked.
10:07.04merlinnI'm so over that
10:07.16Nylexhmm :(
10:07.18Blapto|WorkI still build high spec sytems.
10:07.20Nylexwhy's that merlinn?
10:07.36Blapto|WorkBut desktops and such, just get a fujitsu or something.
10:07.45merlinnlike I can totally understand the impetus
10:07.55merlinnbut given how many times I had problems buying individual components
10:08.07merlinnafter like a millenium of biulding my own custom spec PC's
10:08.12Blapto|WorkFor low cost systems, you're sabing perhaps £30, and that's just not worth the hassle of something failing unless you build about 10 faultless systems.
10:08.14merlinnfrom my 9th birthday or whatever
10:08.26Nylexfair enough
10:08.30merlinnbut I just don't see the return
10:08.51Blapto|WorkThe other place where you could get away with building systems is when you're building 100 or so for a small business.
10:09.04merlinnyou see
10:09.05merlinneven then
10:09.09merlinnI'd far rather call up dell
10:09.20Blapto|WorkBuild them all to exactly the same spec, normally work out a deal with the supplier, and if one fails you can just pull out a system and replace it.
10:09.27merlinnyou can buy PCs so cheaply now
10:09.32Blapto|WorkIt just about works out you can build 5 systems for the same cost as buying 3 from Dell.
10:09.44merlinnwe buy P4 desktops for sales people for 120 pounds
10:09.52Nylexrah
10:09.58Blapto|WorkBut of course, that's only effective if you're not in any way busy and have the time to build the systems.
10:10.04Blapto|Workmerlinn, who are those from?
10:10.06merlinndell
10:10.49merlinnnot high spec
10:10.58merlinnlike 256 meg and 80 gig drives
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10:11.01merlinnwith everything onboard
10:11.04Nylexwb Leeds
10:11.11Blapto|Workdell dimensions?
10:11.36Blapto|WorkYou've got to add £50 to that for xp pro
10:11.41merlinnoh
10:11.47merlinnwe go for site licence
10:12.12Blapto|WorkAh, fairy snuff
10:12.17LeedsNylex: thanks
10:12.19Nylex:)
10:12.25merlinnbut from my perspective building my own PCs
10:12.32merlinnis just horrible pain
10:13.52Blapto|WorkIt is
10:14.01Blapto|WorkI've been wounded a number of times
10:14.19merlinnI mean it used to be imperative when hardware cost a squillion pounds
10:14.24Blapto|WorkI remember I was building a server once and cut myself on a sharp edge.
10:14.27merlinnand you had to choose it very carefully because linux 0.6
10:14.40merlinnwasn't too friendly with component pieces
10:14.47Blapto|WorkIt was really painful, and I jumped around for about 30 seconds uttering a curse to the god of computers.
10:14.47NylexI cut myself on my case once :/
10:15.03merlinnbut now * works on any platform
10:15.06Blapto|WorkI turned round and there was a gaggle of accountants looking on in horror
10:15.07morsingBlapto|Work!
10:15.07LeedsI still have a lump on my finger where I got it caught between a case and a graphics card in 2000
10:15.09merlinnand you can buy a highly spec'd PC for 2p
10:15.10Blapto|Workmorsing!
10:15.13morsingCheck it!
10:15.15morsingBeer
10:15.19Blapto|WorkBeer where
10:15.44Blapto|WorkIt doesn't really count as building a computer unless you cut yourself.
10:15.56Nylexbah
10:16.11Blapto|WorkOr poke your eye out with a sharp edge of a graphics card while you're trying to get a fiddly little jumper installed.
10:16.40Nylexow :/
10:16.48Blapto|WorkI've not actually done that one btw
10:17.07Nylex:)
10:17.10Blapto|WorkBut my thick bass guitar playing fingers hate jumpers.
10:18.37NylexI think I have more problems connecting the case LEDs and buttons, than with jumpers.. heh
10:19.15Blapto|Workheaders are evil as well
10:19.40Blapto|WorkI remember the first time I came across a motherboard that had a little tool for removing jumpers.
10:19.48merlinnokay
10:19.51merlinnso have I converted you all
10:19.52merlinn?
10:20.11Blapto|WorkI sat down staring at it for a good 10 minutes thinking "What?  Where does this go?  Do I need to put it somewhere?"
10:20.22Nylexlol
10:20.27Nylexno :(
10:20.39Nylexand merlinn, heh not me :)
10:20.58Blapto|WorkHah!
10:21.11Blapto|WorkAntec cases have loads of fiddly little bits that don't really have a function
10:21.25Nylexlike what? My case is an Antec
10:21.40Blapto|Worklike drive rails you can install one of 87 different ways
10:21.52Blapto|Workso you build it and you've got thousands of bits left over
10:22.06Blapto|WorkSo you shake it to see if it feels secure, and then just deploy it if it is.
10:22.14Nylexah
10:22.21Blapto|WorkLike supermicro cases have about 4 different ways of rackmounting.
10:22.42Nylexlol
10:22.56Blapto|Workso you install it, and then you're left with loads of bits left over.
10:23.08Blapto|WorkAnd you're thinking "There's £3000 worth of kit sort of hanging in mid air."
10:23.13wethrinUm. Why's it my birthday today? It's not...
10:23.25Leedswethrin: Happy Birthday!
10:23.25Blapto|WorkExcuse for a drink!
10:23.31Blapto|WorkHappy Birthday Dan!
10:23.34Nylexlol Blapto
10:24.02wethrinDammit! Stop confusing me!#
10:26.15Blapto|WorkI just watched someone try to eat a soundcard through a cycling mask on webcam.
10:26.25Blapto|WorkVint Cerf would be proud.
10:27.20morsingwethrin: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
10:27.21morsing:)
10:27.39Blapto|Workwethrin, you in London?
10:29.22wethrinNope
10:29.27wethrinGahhhdammmmitttt!!!!!
10:31.47morsingwethrin: B'day drinks tonight?
10:32.07Blapto|Workmorsing, without wethrin?
10:32.14morsingIn Newcastle
10:32.49merlinnew
10:32.53merlinndon't go to newcastle
10:34.34merlinnbuy property there though
10:36.02morsingmerlinn: wethrin lives there
10:36.09merlinnnightmare
10:36.11merlinnI grew up there
10:36.43merlinnI was consulting there for 6 months a year ago
10:37.11merlinnit's a weird microcosm
10:37.23wethrinI don't live in Newcastle
10:37.25wethrinI'm in Durham
10:37.28merlinnah
10:37.29merlinndurham is nice
10:37.35wethrinWhy WTF do people think it's my birthday!?
10:37.47merlinnlots of students in durham \o/
10:37.48wethrinmerlinn: It is, but a bit too quiet for my tastes
10:37.53wethrinNot at the moment :)
10:37.53Nylexmorsing told us it was :/
10:37.55merlinnyeah
10:38.00merlinnhow long have you been there?
10:38.16wethrinmerlinn: I'm at the end of my 2nd year here. Just another one and *handwave* to go
10:38.34merlinnI went to durham for a bit
10:38.55merlinneasy to pull
10:39.01Nylexwhat do you do, wethrin?
10:39.06wethrinIs it? Mumble mumble
10:39.08wethrinBah
10:39.14wethrinNylex: PhD organic electronics
10:39.21merlinnthat's your problem
10:39.26merlinnhow many birds are on your course?
10:39.35Nylexcool
10:39.48merlinnI bet there's one and she looks like jabba the hut
10:40.00wethrinThere's two in my group. One is very taken. The other I don't know. I think she may be
10:40.00merlinndo you lecture?
10:40.02wethrinNope
10:40.07wethrinI demonstrate in undergrad labs, though
10:40.12wethrinThere're some nice undergrads :)
10:40.21merlinnundergrads are fair game
10:40.27wethrinOften :)
10:40.56merlinnI would quite like to buy a flat in durham
10:41.11wethrinIt's expensive
10:41.21wethrinAlmost south-east prices in the city centre
10:41.26merlinnwell
10:41.46merlinnI split my time equally between brighton + london currently
10:42.09merlinnand where I live in aldgate prices are pretty horrific
10:42.22merlinnand brighton is surprisingly similar
10:42.54merlinnanything is better than my current arrangements
10:43.06wethrinWhat would you do with a place in Durham, though? Live there? Rent it out?
10:43.15merlinnI'm not 100% certain
10:43.34merlinnrental looks pretty poor in durham
10:43.39merlinnunless you're willing to rent to students
10:43.39Nylexlater on people
10:43.50Nylex:)
10:43.56merlinnbut property does seem to be increasing
10:45.26cpufreakproperty always incrases
10:45.53cpufreakffs
10:45.58merlinnit does and doesn't
10:46.05merlinnsome places have been in stasis for some time
10:46.28cpufreakand the lower model kit is outperforming the new top end model
10:46.32cpufreakand they can't explain why
10:46.38merlinnpoofreak test equallogic
10:46.42merlinnhahaha
10:46.44merlinnoops
10:46.45Copeso I want to make a 2G file... bs=1m count=1000? or count=1024?
10:47.12merlinncat /dev/random for about 1 minute
10:48.05CopeI know how to do it... the question is whether the OS considers 1G to be 1024 x 1M (which is 1024) or 1000 x 1M
10:48.43wethrin2^20
10:48.57cpufreak1024
10:48.58cpufreakinnit
10:49.03merlinnit'll always be 1024
10:49.09wethrinActually, the OS doesn't consider anything
10:49.27wethrinThe prefixes are purely for human consideration
10:49.48Coperight
10:52.32wethrinCertain programs that give 'human-readable' sizes have switches that can treat numbers as powers of 10, or powers of 2
10:52.50Copeight
10:53.34wethrinOh, and bs=1m count=1000 will only make you a 1000MB file
10:53.44wethrinBut that's just being pedantic :)
10:55.22Copeyes
10:55.24Copethat was the point
10:55.38Copes/the/*exactly*/
10:58.44wethrinI'd got for 2*2^20 for a 2GB file
10:59.23morsingping Cope
11:00.04Copehi morsing
11:00.23morsingWhat's the rpm option for installing an .rpm file?
11:00.27wethrinrpm -i
11:00.49Copemorsing rpm -ivh
11:00.51morsingAhh... No -f or -p?
11:00.58Copeno need for them, no
11:01.28Copejust install the dependencies first, then python last
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11:12.02rhowe"Your NETGEAR GS724T Gigabit Smart Switch can be used as backbone switch to build a small network that enables users to have lightening fast access to servers and the rest of the network."
11:12.07rhowelightening fast access?
11:12.26rhoweShould it not be lightning? :)
11:17.37wethrinYes
11:17.37wethrin:)
11:37.11morsingrhowe!
11:37.45morsingCheck it!
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11:44.20morsingwethrin!
11:44.28wethrinmorsing!
11:44.31morsingbeer!
11:44.46wethrinSoon!
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12:05.20Copehmm
12:09.18rhoweupgrade laptop warranty from 1y to 3y for £80?
12:09.25rhoweCope: DL385 on its way!
12:10.27Copewoo
12:15.46morsingCope!
12:17.08morsingCope: What's happened to the cluster?
12:28.41Copemorsing: primary node failed; no erros
12:28.53Copecan't stop or start db on 2ndary node
12:29.05Copegetting shared memory error when try to start db
12:29.55Copejust a core dump on the primary node - nothing more; no indication of why
12:31.26morsingIt rebooted...
12:31.31Copeyes
12:31.33morsingWhy wont the DB start?
12:31.48Copeit seems to think it is already started... but can't stop it either
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12:32.05cbzhi
12:32.17Copeno evidence of hardware fault on primary node... wonder why it rebooted
12:32.20Copenothing in hacmp logs
12:32.52Copewho is working on this? you?
12:33.14morsingYes
12:33.38morsingWe need to send dump to IBM
12:33.43Copeyes
13:22.24Copemorsing: ok, db back up
13:22.49rhowehmmm.. a LES100 for $900/mo and $500 install
13:24.36mozratyet another motorway service station
13:32.51antiphaserhowe: Does that include any bandwidth?
13:49.28rhoweantiphase: Yeah. That's a fixed price. Not sure (yet) if it's contended in any way
13:49.59rhowewell, it's not quite a LES100 - it's a 100Mbit/s internet connection via Cogent who have cabled up the whole building apparently
13:50.09rhoweantiphase: I'm waiting for the marketing bumf
14:03.12JasperwLES = Lan Extention Service, a point to point link, usually presented as ethernet.
14:05.01merlinnah
14:05.06merlinnso it's not actually a LES/
14:05.15merlinnit's a local cable run + hods of bandwidth?
14:07.45rhoweYeah
14:08.02rhowe"not quite" == "not at all" in this case :)
14:08.27merlinnfair play
14:08.43merlinnyeah you'd be lucky to get a LES circuit at minimal distance for >7k install
14:08.48merlinn<7k rather
14:09.17merlinnactually hang on
14:09.42merlinn900 clams a month for 100meg uncapped
14:09.43merlinn?
14:10.02merlinnfuck me cogent are cheap
14:10.05merlinncheap as shit
14:10.07merlinnthat's insane
14:10.16merlinnwe commit to close to 1.2gig
14:10.24merlinnand our price is about 9euros
14:10.33morsingcogent?
14:10.47merlinnthey're a US carrier/CLEC
14:10.59merlinnthey've been bottoming out the market for the past 12 months
14:11.27rhowemerlinn: Yeah, 900/mo on a 12 month contract is crazy
14:11.38rhowemerlinn: That's about what we're paying for a 2Mbit leased line to the office
14:13.03merlinndo you have an alternative transit for UK/EU traffic?
14:13.17merlinnlike maybe a partial transit feed from someone like entanet with decent local peering?
14:13.57merlinnthey'll give you 100meg uncapped of UK only prefixes for 100 quid a month
14:14.22morsingCope: You've got Python
14:14.44rhowemerlinn: It's an E1 over copper
14:14.54merlinnI meant the ethernet
14:15.28rhowemerlinn: All our stuff is hosted in the office on the end of the E1 (with bonded ADSL backup, with BGP failover of the /24 they gave us)
14:15.42rhowemerlinn: At least that's the plan. The E1 is 2 months late, and the BGP isn't set up yet
14:15.53merlinnso what's the 900/mo Cogent deal?
14:15.57merlinnare you not using that?
14:16.09rhowemerlinn: Oh, this is for the New York office, and they haven't signed up to it or anything
14:16.15merlinnah
14:16.19merlinnfair play
14:16.23merlinnyeah
14:16.27merlinncogent are doing that in NYC
14:16.38merlinnthat's a deal that's been going for about 18 months
14:16.39rhowemerlinn: It's a bit much for just a small office's internet access, but if we were to ship all our servers to NY, it'd be worth it
14:17.04Copemorsing: so i see :) Thanks!
14:17.43rhoweNuno?
14:17.49rhoweIs that a text editor?
14:17.59Copenuno is my boss; and morsing's client :)
14:18.31rhoweah :)
14:18.58SlayerXPwasn't he the little annoying robot in Ulyses 2047
14:19.00SlayerXP?
14:21.26wethrinHm. The Gllug workforce is getting chummy, isn't it? :)
14:25.11morsingCope: About what?
14:25.58Copefailing over back to 2ndary node
14:33.19CopeI recommended it to nuno, independent of alex.
14:33.26Copeand got my head bitten off for it.
14:33.28Cope:(
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14:36.29merlinnnot much to see
14:36.46SlayerXPi've spent far too much time in basingstoke
14:36.48merlinnyeah
14:37.00merlinnthe thing that sucks about reading + basingstoke
14:37.15SlayerXP....is that they're not highly combustible?
14:37.16merlinnis that it's totally infeasible to presume that I won't at some point wind up living in either for >3 months
14:37.26merlinnthroughout the course of my life
14:37.30wethrinThat's easy. Live outside them.
14:37.38merlinnlive/work
14:37.39merlinneither wya
14:37.41Copeslayerxp and I share something in basingstoke.
14:37.48merlinna woman?
14:38.00cbzHeh
14:38.03Copelol
14:38.06merlinnspitroast!
14:38.07SlayerXPsimilar
14:38.09CopeNope, The AA
14:38.16merlinnalcoholics anonymous?
14:38.19wethrinAlco...
14:38.22merlinnor the car thing?
14:38.31Copewe've both admin'd their servers.  The car / map etc stuff.
14:38.36merlinnoh
14:38.38merlinnnightmare
14:38.46SlayerXPi've never admin'd their servers
14:38.52Copeyou didn't?
14:38.54Copehrm
14:38.58SlayerXPi've just been a fantasically expensive solution provider
14:39.12SlayerXPi.e. the project to digitise their entire photo album
14:39.22merlinnhahahahahaha
14:39.52merlinnI could have loaned them my little sister for a week
14:40.11Copehow would that have helped?
14:40.27merlinnshe has a scanner
14:40.57SlayerXPthey have a few more images than would make that practical
14:40.58wethrin~change 3 LTL to EUR
14:41.07SlayerXPstill, could have been worse
14:41.21merlinnsheetfed scanner + image_magik
14:42.02merlinnI've got a client in basingstoke
14:42.15SlayerXPthe very worst project I worked on (in terms of complexity) was when I was given the job of converting every letter ever sent of received by guinness publishing relating to the guinness book of records
14:42.15merlinntheir stuff is a bit nightmare too
14:42.41SlayerXPthat was _hard_
14:45.05merlinndo you do pattern analysis ?
14:45.42merlinnbut you were taking hard copy?
14:45.51merlinnlike hand written letters and so forth
14:45.51SlayerXPeh?
14:45.59SlayerXPeverything
14:46.01merlinnand converting to digital doofer
14:46.09SlayerXPtyped, printed, faxed, hand written
14:46.12merlinnso do you use your own pattern recognition software?
14:46.21SlayerXPno, acrobat
14:46.26merlinnto what I guess is basically intelligent OCR
14:46.30merlinnoh
14:46.36merlinnokay
14:46.37merlinnfair play
14:47.08merlinnso you're consulting on the filing ?
14:47.51SlayerXPthis was years ago
14:47.56SlayerXPI designed the entire system
14:48.03SlayerXPand wrote a chunk of the support software
14:54.03CopeITYM:  '`'|"+").(  '`'|"%").(  '{'^"[").(  '`'|"/").(  '`'|".").(  '`'|"%").(
14:54.08Copeetc etc
14:54.13CopeIf I know you...
14:55.21SlayerXPhey!  you've been stealing my source!
14:55.35Cope:D
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16:38.51morsingMoo
16:39.07rhoweBaa
16:39.13morsingSnort
16:42.05morsingBlaff-blaff-negguu
16:42.19morsingrhowe: Have a guess at what that is :)
16:42.25wethrinWelsh
16:42.27wethrin?
16:42.39morsingwethrin: Which animal
16:42.47wethrinWhale!
16:43.01morsingwethrin: Arrhhh Man, how did you do that?
16:43.19wethrinIt looked Welsh, so it must be spoken by Wales
16:43.22wethrin*Whales
16:44.24rhowewethrin: *groan*
16:44.33wethrinthanks
16:55.19morsingrhowe: Why are you ignoring me?
16:56.28rhowemorsing: Sorry, easily distracted
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17:12.11morsingrhowe: Why are you ignoring me?
17:12.13morsingNylex!
17:13.51Nylexhi
17:14.16keithlardhi folks
17:14.24Nylexhi
17:15.14keithlardwhat's happening tomorrow?
17:16.25Nylexthe talks?
17:17.04rhowemorsing: 'cause I'm going home :)
17:17.10rhowemorsing: via B&Q - need grout
17:18.08morsingYou need gout?
17:18.17Nylexlol
17:39.36Nylex:(
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18:32.07morsingCope!
18:32.17morsingAndrewDBlack!
18:32.45copewoo
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19:10.28Marios_hey guys...what scheduler system do you suggest ? I need one to be in minimum 10 PCs which handles dependencies well
19:12.03antiphaseWhat's that in English?
19:14.47boudiccasscheduler of what?
19:14.52Marios_jobs
19:15.01boudiccasemacs and planner
19:15.39cpufreakanticipatory
19:15.51cpufreakI fucking hate $vendor
19:15.53cpufreakwell I don't
19:16.50boudiccascpufreak; you sound like you can't make up your mind :)
19:16.55cpufreakbut I've spent 4 days here
19:17.00cpufreaknot got away before 9pm each day
19:17.09cpufreakand I'm still no closer to knowing the true performance of their new kit
19:17.19boudiccasspin a coin
19:17.23cpufreakI can't talk about it to anyone else to discuss ideas, because i'm under nda
19:17.42boudiccassounds like you're fscked then
19:17.57cpufreakand they don't have any official benchmarks for the configuratios we need to test
19:18.15cpufreakand if they did they'd be no use anyway, as they wouldn't be able to simulate as busy db as we have.
19:18.33cpufreaklol
19:18.52boudiccascpufreak; whats it like being a mushroom?
19:19.04cpufreakmushroom?
19:19.11boudiccascpufreak; kept in the dark, fed tish, and expected to produce mirracles
19:19.14cpufreakqlol
19:19.32cpufreakits not a case of being kept in the dark
19:19.42cpufreakits a question of no one knowing
19:21.22Marios_guys you didn't understand my question
19:22.00Marios_I have 10 boxes with NFS and I need to run jobs ... I need a global solution
19:22.08boudiccasMarios_; you didn't explain it fully enough
19:22.14Marios_i used autosys but is a bit slow
19:22.15cpufreakMarios_: buy a netapp.
19:22.22cpufreakmuch easier
19:22.33Marios_netapp  ?
19:22.39boudiccasMarios_; learn how to use cron
19:22.54Marios_does cron handles dependencies well ?
19:23.34Marios_because some jobs depend on other jobs...so criteria is not only start time
19:24.23cpufreakMarios_: you don't explain yourself well
19:24.28cpufreakare you talkin about a kernel scheduler
19:24.34cpufreakor a task scheduler
19:24.38Marios_task scheduler
19:24.51Marios_sorry...nothing to do with kernel
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19:26.46Marios_hello Leeds
19:28.20Leedsmorning Marios_ :-)
19:29.12boudiccasLeeds; you're up early! just got in or couldn't sleep?
19:30.19Marios_Leeds: I was talking to the guys here to suggest me of a good distributed task scheduler
19:30.47boudiccasMarios_; what makes you think I'm a guy? Because you're wrong!
19:31.09Leedsboudiccas: just got in :-)
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19:31.14Marios_I said "to the guys here"
19:31.18boudiccasLeeds; :)
19:31.33Marios_guys can include both boys and girls ;)
19:32.01Leedshad an interesting evening in the pub, with a couple of drunk women trying to explain why they go for bastards, even though they spent the entire evening telling me and my friend that we were nice guys
19:32.04boudiccasnot in my culture it doesn't. being female and called a 'guy' is a gratuitous insult
19:32.15Marios_hmm ok...
19:32.29Marios_and what is your culture?
19:32.32boudiccasUK
19:32.33Leeds'being a guy' is an outright insult, but being one of 'the guys' is less bad, I'd say
19:33.09Leedsit's not ideal, but it's effectively a less formal form of 'the people'
19:33.15boudiccasLeeds; hows the job hunting going? :)
19:33.23Marios_exactly right Leeds
19:33.28Leedsboudiccas: the what? :-)
19:33.50boudiccasLeeds; you know? that something you're supposed to be doing :))))
19:34.48Leedseh, I've been far too busy for that... last couple of weeks have been solid "6 nights out drinking/partying/quizzing/comedying/fonduing/etc, 1 night unconscious at home" weeks...
19:34.57boudiccasLeeds; btw, I liked your last blog post, very coherently reasoned and argued
19:35.12Leedsthank you
19:36.00pieLeeds, URL?
19:36.21boudiccasanyways, Marios_ has a problem which he's asking for our ideas with. care to state it again Marios_?
19:36.26Leedspie: wanderingjew.co.uk
19:36.40Leedsor planet.gllug.org.uk
19:36.48Leedsor planet.lugradio.org
19:37.28Leedsor geoexpat.com/handshakes/blogs/wanderingjew
19:37.40Marios_as I said earlier...I am looking for a task scheduler solution for about 10 boxes which has dependencies functionality
19:37.50Leedsdmake?
19:38.14Leedshmm... dmake is a Sun thing - dunno if it's open, portable, etc.
19:38.47Leedswell, it appears to be in Debian, which is a pretty good sign of something being open, portable, etc. :-)
19:39.12Marios_can I schedule tasks with dmake ?
19:39.22Marios_I am talking about jobs
19:39.30LeedsI don't have a job
19:40.06Marios_lol
19:40.22Leedsgridengine?
19:40.30Leedsjust write your own?
19:40.41Marios_hmmm
19:40.54Leedsdunno - I've largely given up on admining the one box I'm nominally responsible for
19:40.55Marios_I am looking something similar to autosys if you are aware
19:41.05LeedsI am not aware of it
19:42.03Marios_hmm ok
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