00:07.38 | rhowe | mmm, medicine bar |
00:33.48 | JAV | good night |
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02:11.40 | cope | hi Leeds |
02:12.02 | Leeds | morning cope |
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06:41.02 | morsing | 'morning |
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06:41.08 | Nylex | hi |
06:41.12 | morsing | Nylex! |
06:41.25 | Nylex | :) |
06:42.07 | morsing | ~seen mozrat |
06:42.09 | ibot | mozrat is currently on #gllug (8h 54m 57s), last said: 'nope :-)'. |
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06:47.06 | cope | relo Leeds |
06:47.47 | Leeds | thank you, thank you... |
06:48.11 | Leeds | just playing with my X again - got it cloned from my laptop screen to an external one |
06:48.37 | Leeds | only problem is that the external one is 4:3 while the internal one is 16:10 |
06:49.37 | Leeds | so it's missing off the very bottom of the screen, while crushing the edges in :-) |
06:52.00 | morsing | cope! |
06:52.08 | cope | hello morsing |
06:52.09 | morsing | Leeds! |
06:52.38 | cope | morsing: david is on leave from monday! |
06:53.21 | Leeds | morsing! |
06:54.46 | morsing | cope: How long? |
06:54.50 | morsing | Arrhhhg |
06:55.01 | morsing | cope: I've got your Python ticket :) |
06:55.05 | morsing | Mmm... Python |
06:56.30 | morsing | Leeds: So how do I configure my LinkSys WAP without Windows? |
06:58.11 | Leeds | morsing: web interface? |
06:58.41 | morsing | Cool: |
06:58.43 | morsing | http://www.stanford.edu/group/networking/lnaguide/docs/linksys/ |
06:59.03 | morsing | Leeds: In the manual there's no other way than the Windows software described :( |
07:00.52 | cope | morsing: 10 days |
07:01.07 | cope | see you soon |
07:02.38 | Leeds | morsing: you're telling me there isn't a single mention in the manual of a web interface? |
07:04.24 | Leeds | potentially, I'm talking about a pdf on the supplied CD, rather than the 2-page 'quickstart' manual it came with on paper - that's a complete guess |
07:05.18 | morsing | Leeds: Haven't looked at the CD. On the CD itself it says PDF about something but it's not a manual |
07:05.28 | morsing | It *should* be in the quick start guide |
07:08.07 | Leeds | why? the quickstart guide is for drooling windows victims |
07:12.27 | morsing | :( |
07:12.34 | morsing | I'm a drooling Windows victim |
07:12.37 | morsing | :) |
07:12.45 | morsing | Being forced to use it at work |
07:18.37 | morsing | Where do I find a hardwrae guide on a Sun 280R? |
07:19.53 | Leeds | at docs.sun.com |
07:20.01 | morsing | Nope - not there |
07:20.54 | hali | morsing: sunsolve.sun.com |
07:21.01 | hali | morsing: what do you want to know? :) |
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07:21.54 | morsing | hali: I'm installing some memory at 7am tomorrow morning, half asleep |
07:22.08 | morsing | I just want to look at the inside of the box before opening it |
07:23.32 | hali | morsing: i hope you have a sun contract... the bastards have blocked access to most in depth stuff requires a login |
07:32.00 | morsing | We do... |
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07:40.15 | SlayerXP | you know, I love my norwegian bank |
07:40.32 | SlayerXP | you click on the "english" flag and you get presented with an enlgish login screen |
07:40.36 | Leeds | and I'm sure they love you |
07:40.54 | SlayerXP | you enter your details, log in successfully and it's all in norwegian |
07:41.28 | Leeds | but surely you speak fluent Norwegish? |
07:41.35 | SlayerXP | no |
07:41.40 | SlayerXP | I speak pigeon norwelsh |
07:42.45 | Leeds | you speach Norwegais like a diseased bird? |
07:42.59 | SlayerXP | most norwegians don't actually speak norwegian |
07:43.22 | SlayerXP | there's two official languages bokmal and nynorsk |
07:43.34 | SlayerXP | and then there's one local dialect per vally |
07:43.44 | SlayerXP | and there are a lot of valleys |
07:43.57 | SlayerXP | and then you get regional variants like Trondelish |
07:44.47 | SlayerXP | you may as well try to understand a drunk glaswegian on helium |
07:44.59 | hali | and norweigans don't have any (hardly) foreign words... like banana is "yellow bend" |
07:49.17 | SlayerXP | errm, no, it isn't :) |
07:49.42 | Leeds | mmm... yellow bend... |
07:57.54 | Leeds | gulebj |
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08:16.18 | Leeds | Cope! |
08:16.27 | Cope | ello |
08:16.46 | Leeds | how is reasonably-greater-london this morning? |
08:17.55 | Cope | greater hampshire is grey |
08:20.48 | Nylex | sunny |
08:22.57 | SlayerXP | http://www.boingboing.net/2006/08/10/if_the_liquid_could_.html |
08:28.01 | mozrat | morning guys |
08:28.16 | Nylex | hi |
08:28.38 | mozrat | slayerxp, did you see my gllugadmin post last night? could you take care of that? |
08:29.07 | SlayerXP | errm, no, yes |
08:29.13 | SlayerXP | well, maybe |
08:29.36 | Leeds | mozrat! |
08:29.58 | mozrat | Leeds!! |
08:30.17 | mozrat | ack, my mail was held for moderation :( |
08:31.20 | Leeds | you are transporting an extinct elephant? |
08:32.56 | mozrat | yes! all the way from Cornwall to London |
08:33.11 | Leeds | so are you actually riding the mammoth? |
08:33.18 | Nylex | how many miles is that? Heh |
08:33.45 | merlinn | don't come to london |
08:33.47 | merlinn | it's shit |
08:33.56 | SlayerXP | mozrat: I lack your original annoucement |
08:34.30 | mozrat | SlayerXP - get it from the archive or the gllug-announce web archive |
08:34.58 | mozrat | the subject would be something like GLLUG Meeting 12 August |
08:35.02 | Leeds | "Well, I would walk 500 miles, and I would walk 500 more..." |
08:35.30 | mozrat | Not sure how many mile but I do have 2 children with very small bladders |
08:35.49 | Nylex | ah :( |
08:36.08 | mozrat | which will need to be taken care of at annoyingly regular intervals |
08:36.47 | mozrat | im all for sticking their asses out of the window at 60mph but apparently this isnt the done thing |
08:37.15 | Nylex | lol |
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08:46.49 | morsing | Cope? |
08:47.09 | Cope | high/low water marks |
08:49.48 | morsing | Cope: RFC? David promised he'd email the RFC number |
08:52.11 | SlayerXP | mozrat: I don't see anything like that |
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08:55.09 | Nylex | http://lists.gllug.org.uk/pipermail/gllug-announce/2006/000107.html ? |
08:55.50 | SlayerXP | oh yes |
08:55.54 | Nylex | :) |
08:58.08 | mozrat | Slayerxp, hmmmm |
08:58.22 | SlayerXP | got it, working.... |
08:59.58 | SlayerXP | mozrat: done. |
09:00.56 | mozrat | http://lists.gllug.org.uk/pipermail/gllug-announce/2006/000107.html |
09:01.07 | mozrat | ahh, you guys beat me :-) |
09:01.13 | mozrat | thanks slayerxp |
09:01.41 | SlayerXP | bah, sent from the wrong bloody address :) |
09:02.03 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
09:02.07 | morsing | goltor! |
09:02.36 | SlayerXP | hey henrik |
09:03.05 | SlayerXP | mozrat: btw, I added your patch to the gllugfaq. <qandaentry> tags are more important than you seem to think :) |
09:10.03 | morsing | Check it! |
09:10.23 | goltor | goltor! |
09:25.04 | wethrin | moin |
09:25.29 | Nylex | lo |
09:25.52 | Leeds | goltor? |
09:27.55 | wethrin | Hmm..."an associate of the FSF, a fellow of FSFe, and a member of New Labour". Spot which one doesn't fit a pattern |
09:28.14 | Nylex | lol |
09:29.34 | morsing | wethrin! |
09:29.39 | morsing | wethrin: Happy birthday! |
09:30.11 | Nylex | happy birthday! |
09:31.27 | morsing | ~seen TIm |
09:31.34 | ibot | tim <n=user@221.201.160.168> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 74d 19h 16m 35s ago, saying: 'pvd2006: I thought to upgrade to ubuntu. but from your result, I will keep my debian.'. |
09:31.40 | morsing | Nylex: Repeat after me... |
09:31.46 | Leeds | ~seen timmagic |
09:31.47 | ibot | timmagic <n=tmlukejo@ppp-3-87.lond-a-3.access.uk.tiscali.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 20d 11h 36m 6s ago, saying: 'but no one else is here...'. |
09:32.06 | Nylex | sorry :( |
09:32.21 | Leeds | wethrin: Happy Birthday! |
09:32.37 | morsing | Leeds: Change the topic |
09:33.32 | morsing | Leeds? |
09:34.27 | Leeds | morsing: ? |
09:34.34 | *** mode/#gllug [+o morsing] by ChanServ |
09:35.17 | Leeds | okay, this is now - apparently - twice in a week that emails I've bcc:ed to a bunch of people have got to some, but not to others - particularly not to those at hotmail.com |
09:36.19 | SlayerXP | hotmail users get exactly what they pay for |
09:36.31 | SlayerXP | offer them gmail invites |
09:36.32 | Leeds | SlayerXP: but so do gmail users |
09:36.44 | Leeds | I offered her - she ignored the offer |
09:36.53 | SlayerXP | assuming she got it :) |
09:37.21 | SlayerXP | i can imagine some hotmail gmail invite delete-o-matic |
09:37.33 | morsing | Leeds: So how do I add to the topic without deleting stuff? |
09:37.59 | Leeds | morsing: it's called cut'n'paste |
09:38.11 | Leeds | SlayerXP: nah, I offered in SMS - she didn't reply to that part of the message |
09:41.06 | Leeds | hometime! |
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09:57.54 | Blapto|Work | Hi |
09:57.58 | Nylex | hi |
09:58.14 | Blapto|Work | how goes it |
09:58.27 | Nylex | meh |
09:58.30 | Nylex | yourself? |
09:58.41 | Blapto|Work | Just tired |
09:59.15 | Nylex | :) |
10:00.40 | Blapto|Work | Went to a friends house yesterday, took my bass, another friend took his really cool USB keyboard. |
10:00.52 | Blapto|Work | Spent about 3 hours making really awful sounding music |
10:01.06 | Nylex | lol |
10:01.40 | Blapto|Work | There was a guitar there as well, and an almost in tune piano. |
10:02.02 | Nylex | hrh |
10:02.15 | Nylex | -r+e |
10:03.27 | Nylex | do people trust buying computer stuff from eBay? |
10:03.35 | merlinn | depends on the stuff |
10:03.39 | merlinn | i'd buy say a NIC |
10:03.55 | merlinn | but Id' rather go abseiling out the window using my penis, than buy a hard disk |
10:04.11 | Nylex | motherboards? |
10:04.23 | Nylex | and lol |
10:04.24 | merlinn | i'd be inclined not to |
10:04.34 | merlinn | but I know people who have bought stuff |
10:04.45 | merlinn | and a lot of the ebay shops that sell new hardware |
10:04.50 | Blapto|Work | Well, if it's from a large dealer and it's all sealed stuff, I don't see that there's a problem |
10:04.51 | merlinn | provide a returns policy |
10:04.57 | merlinn | yeah |
10:05.02 | merlinn | if it's a used one - I'd be wary |
10:05.05 | Blapto|Work | Loads of stores are selling on eBay now. |
10:05.15 | Nylex | ah nice one, thanks :) |
10:05.19 | Blapto|Work | I wouldn't buy used high spec hardware on eBay |
10:05.47 | Blapto|Work | If an AM2 motherboard or something pops up, you just know that it's got a minor fault somewhere. |
10:06.01 | Nylex | yeah |
10:06.19 | Blapto|Work | It's basically impossible to get support if you're a consumer who has bought, say, a motherboard. |
10:06.35 | Blapto|Work | If you're running windows, they'll send you straight to microsoft, who will refuse to do anything. |
10:06.51 | Blapto|Work | If you're running linux, they don't support it so any diagnosis you make isn't relevant. |
10:06.54 | merlinn | I've given up on building computers |
10:07.00 | Blapto|Work | Unless the board is physically damaged, you're fucked. |
10:07.04 | merlinn | I'm so over that |
10:07.16 | Nylex | hmm :( |
10:07.18 | Blapto|Work | I still build high spec sytems. |
10:07.20 | Nylex | why's that merlinn? |
10:07.36 | Blapto|Work | But desktops and such, just get a fujitsu or something. |
10:07.45 | merlinn | like I can totally understand the impetus |
10:07.55 | merlinn | but given how many times I had problems buying individual components |
10:08.07 | merlinn | after like a millenium of biulding my own custom spec PC's |
10:08.12 | Blapto|Work | For low cost systems, you're sabing perhaps £30, and that's just not worth the hassle of something failing unless you build about 10 faultless systems. |
10:08.14 | merlinn | from my 9th birthday or whatever |
10:08.26 | Nylex | fair enough |
10:08.30 | merlinn | but I just don't see the return |
10:08.51 | Blapto|Work | The other place where you could get away with building systems is when you're building 100 or so for a small business. |
10:09.04 | merlinn | you see |
10:09.05 | merlinn | even then |
10:09.09 | merlinn | I'd far rather call up dell |
10:09.20 | Blapto|Work | Build them all to exactly the same spec, normally work out a deal with the supplier, and if one fails you can just pull out a system and replace it. |
10:09.27 | merlinn | you can buy PCs so cheaply now |
10:09.32 | Blapto|Work | It just about works out you can build 5 systems for the same cost as buying 3 from Dell. |
10:09.44 | merlinn | we buy P4 desktops for sales people for 120 pounds |
10:09.52 | Nylex | rah |
10:09.58 | Blapto|Work | But of course, that's only effective if you're not in any way busy and have the time to build the systems. |
10:10.04 | Blapto|Work | merlinn, who are those from? |
10:10.06 | merlinn | dell |
10:10.49 | merlinn | not high spec |
10:10.58 | merlinn | like 256 meg and 80 gig drives |
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10:11.01 | merlinn | with everything onboard |
10:11.04 | Nylex | wb Leeds |
10:11.11 | Blapto|Work | dell dimensions? |
10:11.36 | Blapto|Work | You've got to add £50 to that for xp pro |
10:11.41 | merlinn | oh |
10:11.47 | merlinn | we go for site licence |
10:12.12 | Blapto|Work | Ah, fairy snuff |
10:12.17 | Leeds | Nylex: thanks |
10:12.19 | Nylex | :) |
10:12.25 | merlinn | but from my perspective building my own PCs |
10:12.32 | merlinn | is just horrible pain |
10:13.52 | Blapto|Work | It is |
10:14.01 | Blapto|Work | I've been wounded a number of times |
10:14.19 | merlinn | I mean it used to be imperative when hardware cost a squillion pounds |
10:14.24 | Blapto|Work | I remember I was building a server once and cut myself on a sharp edge. |
10:14.27 | merlinn | and you had to choose it very carefully because linux 0.6 |
10:14.40 | merlinn | wasn't too friendly with component pieces |
10:14.47 | Blapto|Work | It was really painful, and I jumped around for about 30 seconds uttering a curse to the god of computers. |
10:14.47 | Nylex | I cut myself on my case once :/ |
10:15.03 | merlinn | but now * works on any platform |
10:15.06 | Blapto|Work | I turned round and there was a gaggle of accountants looking on in horror |
10:15.07 | morsing | Blapto|Work! |
10:15.07 | Leeds | I still have a lump on my finger where I got it caught between a case and a graphics card in 2000 |
10:15.09 | merlinn | and you can buy a highly spec'd PC for 2p |
10:15.10 | Blapto|Work | morsing! |
10:15.13 | morsing | Check it! |
10:15.15 | morsing | Beer |
10:15.19 | Blapto|Work | Beer where |
10:15.44 | Blapto|Work | It doesn't really count as building a computer unless you cut yourself. |
10:15.56 | Nylex | bah |
10:16.11 | Blapto|Work | Or poke your eye out with a sharp edge of a graphics card while you're trying to get a fiddly little jumper installed. |
10:16.40 | Nylex | ow :/ |
10:16.48 | Blapto|Work | I've not actually done that one btw |
10:17.07 | Nylex | :) |
10:17.10 | Blapto|Work | But my thick bass guitar playing fingers hate jumpers. |
10:18.37 | Nylex | I think I have more problems connecting the case LEDs and buttons, than with jumpers.. heh |
10:19.15 | Blapto|Work | headers are evil as well |
10:19.40 | Blapto|Work | I remember the first time I came across a motherboard that had a little tool for removing jumpers. |
10:19.48 | merlinn | okay |
10:19.51 | merlinn | so have I converted you all |
10:19.52 | merlinn | ? |
10:20.11 | Blapto|Work | I sat down staring at it for a good 10 minutes thinking "What? Where does this go? Do I need to put it somewhere?" |
10:20.22 | Nylex | lol |
10:20.27 | Nylex | no :( |
10:20.39 | Nylex | and merlinn, heh not me :) |
10:20.58 | Blapto|Work | Hah! |
10:21.11 | Blapto|Work | Antec cases have loads of fiddly little bits that don't really have a function |
10:21.25 | Nylex | like what? My case is an Antec |
10:21.40 | Blapto|Work | like drive rails you can install one of 87 different ways |
10:21.52 | Blapto|Work | so you build it and you've got thousands of bits left over |
10:22.06 | Blapto|Work | So you shake it to see if it feels secure, and then just deploy it if it is. |
10:22.14 | Nylex | ah |
10:22.21 | Blapto|Work | Like supermicro cases have about 4 different ways of rackmounting. |
10:22.42 | Nylex | lol |
10:22.56 | Blapto|Work | so you install it, and then you're left with loads of bits left over. |
10:23.08 | Blapto|Work | And you're thinking "There's £3000 worth of kit sort of hanging in mid air." |
10:23.13 | wethrin | Um. Why's it my birthday today? It's not... |
10:23.25 | Leeds | wethrin: Happy Birthday! |
10:23.25 | Blapto|Work | Excuse for a drink! |
10:23.31 | Blapto|Work | Happy Birthday Dan! |
10:23.34 | Nylex | lol Blapto |
10:24.02 | wethrin | Dammit! Stop confusing me!# |
10:26.15 | Blapto|Work | I just watched someone try to eat a soundcard through a cycling mask on webcam. |
10:26.25 | Blapto|Work | Vint Cerf would be proud. |
10:27.20 | morsing | wethrin: HAPPY BIRTHDAY! |
10:27.21 | morsing | :) |
10:27.39 | Blapto|Work | wethrin, you in London? |
10:29.22 | wethrin | Nope |
10:29.27 | wethrin | Gahhhdammmmitttt!!!!! |
10:31.47 | morsing | wethrin: B'day drinks tonight? |
10:32.07 | Blapto|Work | morsing, without wethrin? |
10:32.14 | morsing | In Newcastle |
10:32.49 | merlinn | ew |
10:32.53 | merlinn | don't go to newcastle |
10:34.34 | merlinn | buy property there though |
10:36.02 | morsing | merlinn: wethrin lives there |
10:36.09 | merlinn | nightmare |
10:36.11 | merlinn | I grew up there |
10:36.43 | merlinn | I was consulting there for 6 months a year ago |
10:37.11 | merlinn | it's a weird microcosm |
10:37.23 | wethrin | I don't live in Newcastle |
10:37.25 | wethrin | I'm in Durham |
10:37.28 | merlinn | ah |
10:37.29 | merlinn | durham is nice |
10:37.35 | wethrin | Why WTF do people think it's my birthday!? |
10:37.47 | merlinn | lots of students in durham \o/ |
10:37.48 | wethrin | merlinn: It is, but a bit too quiet for my tastes |
10:37.53 | wethrin | Not at the moment :) |
10:37.53 | Nylex | morsing told us it was :/ |
10:37.55 | merlinn | yeah |
10:38.00 | merlinn | how long have you been there? |
10:38.16 | wethrin | merlinn: I'm at the end of my 2nd year here. Just another one and *handwave* to go |
10:38.34 | merlinn | I went to durham for a bit |
10:38.55 | merlinn | easy to pull |
10:39.01 | Nylex | what do you do, wethrin? |
10:39.06 | wethrin | Is it? Mumble mumble |
10:39.08 | wethrin | Bah |
10:39.14 | wethrin | Nylex: PhD organic electronics |
10:39.21 | merlinn | that's your problem |
10:39.26 | merlinn | how many birds are on your course? |
10:39.35 | Nylex | cool |
10:39.48 | merlinn | I bet there's one and she looks like jabba the hut |
10:40.00 | wethrin | There's two in my group. One is very taken. The other I don't know. I think she may be |
10:40.00 | merlinn | do you lecture? |
10:40.02 | wethrin | Nope |
10:40.07 | wethrin | I demonstrate in undergrad labs, though |
10:40.12 | wethrin | There're some nice undergrads :) |
10:40.21 | merlinn | undergrads are fair game |
10:40.27 | wethrin | Often :) |
10:40.56 | merlinn | I would quite like to buy a flat in durham |
10:41.11 | wethrin | It's expensive |
10:41.21 | wethrin | Almost south-east prices in the city centre |
10:41.26 | merlinn | well |
10:41.46 | merlinn | I split my time equally between brighton + london currently |
10:42.09 | merlinn | and where I live in aldgate prices are pretty horrific |
10:42.22 | merlinn | and brighton is surprisingly similar |
10:42.54 | merlinn | anything is better than my current arrangements |
10:43.06 | wethrin | What would you do with a place in Durham, though? Live there? Rent it out? |
10:43.15 | merlinn | I'm not 100% certain |
10:43.34 | merlinn | rental looks pretty poor in durham |
10:43.39 | merlinn | unless you're willing to rent to students |
10:43.39 | Nylex | later on people |
10:43.50 | Nylex | :) |
10:43.56 | merlinn | but property does seem to be increasing |
10:45.26 | cpufreak | property always incrases |
10:45.53 | cpufreak | ffs |
10:45.58 | merlinn | it does and doesn't |
10:46.05 | merlinn | some places have been in stasis for some time |
10:46.28 | cpufreak | and the lower model kit is outperforming the new top end model |
10:46.32 | cpufreak | and they can't explain why |
10:46.38 | merlinn | poofreak test equallogic |
10:46.42 | merlinn | hahaha |
10:46.44 | merlinn | oops |
10:46.45 | Cope | so I want to make a 2G file... bs=1m count=1000? or count=1024? |
10:47.12 | merlinn | cat /dev/random for about 1 minute |
10:48.05 | Cope | I know how to do it... the question is whether the OS considers 1G to be 1024 x 1M (which is 1024) or 1000 x 1M |
10:48.43 | wethrin | 2^20 |
10:48.57 | cpufreak | 1024 |
10:48.58 | cpufreak | innit |
10:49.03 | merlinn | it'll always be 1024 |
10:49.09 | wethrin | Actually, the OS doesn't consider anything |
10:49.27 | wethrin | The prefixes are purely for human consideration |
10:49.48 | Cope | right |
10:52.32 | wethrin | Certain programs that give 'human-readable' sizes have switches that can treat numbers as powers of 10, or powers of 2 |
10:52.50 | Cope | ight |
10:53.34 | wethrin | Oh, and bs=1m count=1000 will only make you a 1000MB file |
10:53.44 | wethrin | But that's just being pedantic :) |
10:55.22 | Cope | yes |
10:55.24 | Cope | that was the point |
10:55.38 | Cope | s/the/*exactly*/ |
10:58.44 | wethrin | I'd got for 2*2^20 for a 2GB file |
10:59.23 | morsing | ping Cope |
11:00.04 | Cope | hi morsing |
11:00.23 | morsing | What's the rpm option for installing an .rpm file? |
11:00.27 | wethrin | rpm -i |
11:00.49 | Cope | morsing rpm -ivh |
11:00.51 | morsing | Ahh... No -f or -p? |
11:00.58 | Cope | no need for them, no |
11:01.28 | Cope | just install the dependencies first, then python last |
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11:12.02 | rhowe | "Your NETGEAR GS724T Gigabit Smart Switch can be used as backbone switch to build a small network that enables users to have lightening fast access to servers and the rest of the network." |
11:12.07 | rhowe | lightening fast access? |
11:12.26 | rhowe | Should it not be lightning? :) |
11:17.37 | wethrin | Yes |
11:17.37 | wethrin | :) |
11:37.11 | morsing | rhowe! |
11:37.45 | morsing | Check it! |
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11:44.20 | morsing | wethrin! |
11:44.28 | wethrin | morsing! |
11:44.31 | morsing | beer! |
11:44.46 | wethrin | Soon! |
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12:05.20 | Cope | hmm |
12:09.18 | rhowe | upgrade laptop warranty from 1y to 3y for £80? |
12:09.25 | rhowe | Cope: DL385 on its way! |
12:10.27 | Cope | woo |
12:15.46 | morsing | Cope! |
12:17.08 | morsing | Cope: What's happened to the cluster? |
12:28.41 | Cope | morsing: primary node failed; no erros |
12:28.53 | Cope | can't stop or start db on 2ndary node |
12:29.05 | Cope | getting shared memory error when try to start db |
12:29.55 | Cope | just a core dump on the primary node - nothing more; no indication of why |
12:31.26 | morsing | It rebooted... |
12:31.31 | Cope | yes |
12:31.33 | morsing | Why wont the DB start? |
12:31.48 | Cope | it seems to think it is already started... but can't stop it either |
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12:32.05 | cbz | hi |
12:32.17 | Cope | no evidence of hardware fault on primary node... wonder why it rebooted |
12:32.20 | Cope | nothing in hacmp logs |
12:32.52 | Cope | who is working on this? you? |
12:33.14 | morsing | Yes |
12:33.38 | morsing | We need to send dump to IBM |
12:33.43 | Cope | yes |
13:22.24 | Cope | morsing: ok, db back up |
13:22.49 | rhowe | hmmm.. a LES100 for $900/mo and $500 install |
13:24.36 | mozrat | yet another motorway service station |
13:32.51 | antiphase | rhowe: Does that include any bandwidth? |
13:49.28 | rhowe | antiphase: Yeah. That's a fixed price. Not sure (yet) if it's contended in any way |
13:49.59 | rhowe | well, it's not quite a LES100 - it's a 100Mbit/s internet connection via Cogent who have cabled up the whole building apparently |
13:50.09 | rhowe | antiphase: I'm waiting for the marketing bumf |
14:03.12 | Jasperw | LES = Lan Extention Service, a point to point link, usually presented as ethernet. |
14:05.01 | merlinn | ah |
14:05.06 | merlinn | so it's not actually a LES/ |
14:05.15 | merlinn | it's a local cable run + hods of bandwidth? |
14:07.45 | rhowe | Yeah |
14:08.02 | rhowe | "not quite" == "not at all" in this case :) |
14:08.27 | merlinn | fair play |
14:08.43 | merlinn | yeah you'd be lucky to get a LES circuit at minimal distance for >7k install |
14:08.48 | merlinn | <7k rather |
14:09.17 | merlinn | actually hang on |
14:09.42 | merlinn | 900 clams a month for 100meg uncapped |
14:09.43 | merlinn | ? |
14:10.02 | merlinn | fuck me cogent are cheap |
14:10.05 | merlinn | cheap as shit |
14:10.07 | merlinn | that's insane |
14:10.16 | merlinn | we commit to close to 1.2gig |
14:10.24 | merlinn | and our price is about 9euros |
14:10.33 | morsing | cogent? |
14:10.47 | merlinn | they're a US carrier/CLEC |
14:10.59 | merlinn | they've been bottoming out the market for the past 12 months |
14:11.27 | rhowe | merlinn: Yeah, 900/mo on a 12 month contract is crazy |
14:11.38 | rhowe | merlinn: That's about what we're paying for a 2Mbit leased line to the office |
14:13.03 | merlinn | do you have an alternative transit for UK/EU traffic? |
14:13.17 | merlinn | like maybe a partial transit feed from someone like entanet with decent local peering? |
14:13.57 | merlinn | they'll give you 100meg uncapped of UK only prefixes for 100 quid a month |
14:14.22 | morsing | Cope: You've got Python |
14:14.44 | rhowe | merlinn: It's an E1 over copper |
14:14.54 | merlinn | I meant the ethernet |
14:15.28 | rhowe | merlinn: All our stuff is hosted in the office on the end of the E1 (with bonded ADSL backup, with BGP failover of the /24 they gave us) |
14:15.42 | rhowe | merlinn: At least that's the plan. The E1 is 2 months late, and the BGP isn't set up yet |
14:15.53 | merlinn | so what's the 900/mo Cogent deal? |
14:15.57 | merlinn | are you not using that? |
14:16.09 | rhowe | merlinn: Oh, this is for the New York office, and they haven't signed up to it or anything |
14:16.15 | merlinn | ah |
14:16.19 | merlinn | fair play |
14:16.23 | merlinn | yeah |
14:16.27 | merlinn | cogent are doing that in NYC |
14:16.38 | merlinn | that's a deal that's been going for about 18 months |
14:16.39 | rhowe | merlinn: It's a bit much for just a small office's internet access, but if we were to ship all our servers to NY, it'd be worth it |
14:17.04 | Cope | morsing: so i see :) Thanks! |
14:17.43 | rhowe | Nuno? |
14:17.49 | rhowe | Is that a text editor? |
14:17.59 | Cope | nuno is my boss; and morsing's client :) |
14:18.31 | rhowe | ah :) |
14:18.58 | SlayerXP | wasn't he the little annoying robot in Ulyses 2047 |
14:19.00 | SlayerXP | ? |
14:21.26 | wethrin | Hm. The Gllug workforce is getting chummy, isn't it? :) |
14:25.11 | morsing | Cope: About what? |
14:25.58 | Cope | failing over back to 2ndary node |
14:33.19 | Cope | I recommended it to nuno, independent of alex. |
14:33.26 | Cope | and got my head bitten off for it. |
14:33.28 | Cope | :( |
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14:36.29 | merlinn | not much to see |
14:36.46 | SlayerXP | i've spent far too much time in basingstoke |
14:36.48 | merlinn | yeah |
14:37.00 | merlinn | the thing that sucks about reading + basingstoke |
14:37.15 | SlayerXP | ....is that they're not highly combustible? |
14:37.16 | merlinn | is that it's totally infeasible to presume that I won't at some point wind up living in either for >3 months |
14:37.26 | merlinn | throughout the course of my life |
14:37.30 | wethrin | That's easy. Live outside them. |
14:37.38 | merlinn | live/work |
14:37.39 | merlinn | either wya |
14:37.41 | Cope | slayerxp and I share something in basingstoke. |
14:37.48 | merlinn | a woman? |
14:38.00 | cbz | Heh |
14:38.03 | Cope | lol |
14:38.06 | merlinn | spitroast! |
14:38.07 | SlayerXP | similar |
14:38.09 | Cope | Nope, The AA |
14:38.16 | merlinn | alcoholics anonymous? |
14:38.19 | wethrin | Alco... |
14:38.22 | merlinn | or the car thing? |
14:38.31 | Cope | we've both admin'd their servers. The car / map etc stuff. |
14:38.36 | merlinn | oh |
14:38.38 | merlinn | nightmare |
14:38.46 | SlayerXP | i've never admin'd their servers |
14:38.52 | Cope | you didn't? |
14:38.54 | Cope | hrm |
14:38.58 | SlayerXP | i've just been a fantasically expensive solution provider |
14:39.12 | SlayerXP | i.e. the project to digitise their entire photo album |
14:39.22 | merlinn | hahahahahaha |
14:39.52 | merlinn | I could have loaned them my little sister for a week |
14:40.11 | Cope | how would that have helped? |
14:40.27 | merlinn | she has a scanner |
14:40.57 | SlayerXP | they have a few more images than would make that practical |
14:40.58 | wethrin | ~change 3 LTL to EUR |
14:41.07 | SlayerXP | still, could have been worse |
14:41.21 | merlinn | sheetfed scanner + image_magik |
14:42.02 | merlinn | I've got a client in basingstoke |
14:42.15 | SlayerXP | the very worst project I worked on (in terms of complexity) was when I was given the job of converting every letter ever sent of received by guinness publishing relating to the guinness book of records |
14:42.15 | merlinn | their stuff is a bit nightmare too |
14:42.41 | SlayerXP | that was _hard_ |
14:45.05 | merlinn | do you do pattern analysis ? |
14:45.42 | merlinn | but you were taking hard copy? |
14:45.51 | merlinn | like hand written letters and so forth |
14:45.51 | SlayerXP | eh? |
14:45.59 | SlayerXP | everything |
14:46.01 | merlinn | and converting to digital doofer |
14:46.09 | SlayerXP | typed, printed, faxed, hand written |
14:46.12 | merlinn | so do you use your own pattern recognition software? |
14:46.21 | SlayerXP | no, acrobat |
14:46.26 | merlinn | to what I guess is basically intelligent OCR |
14:46.30 | merlinn | oh |
14:46.36 | merlinn | okay |
14:46.37 | merlinn | fair play |
14:47.08 | merlinn | so you're consulting on the filing ? |
14:47.51 | SlayerXP | this was years ago |
14:47.56 | SlayerXP | I designed the entire system |
14:48.03 | SlayerXP | and wrote a chunk of the support software |
14:54.03 | Cope | ITYM: '`'|"+").( '`'|"%").( '{'^"[").( '`'|"/").( '`'|".").( '`'|"%").( |
14:54.08 | Cope | etc etc |
14:54.13 | Cope | If I know you... |
14:55.21 | SlayerXP | hey! you've been stealing my source! |
14:55.35 | Cope | :D |
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16:38.51 | morsing | Moo |
16:39.07 | rhowe | Baa |
16:39.13 | morsing | Snort |
16:42.05 | morsing | Blaff-blaff-negguu |
16:42.19 | morsing | rhowe: Have a guess at what that is :) |
16:42.25 | wethrin | Welsh |
16:42.27 | wethrin | ? |
16:42.39 | morsing | wethrin: Which animal |
16:42.47 | wethrin | Whale! |
16:43.01 | morsing | wethrin: Arrhhh Man, how did you do that? |
16:43.19 | wethrin | It looked Welsh, so it must be spoken by Wales |
16:43.22 | wethrin | *Whales |
16:44.24 | rhowe | wethrin: *groan* |
16:44.33 | wethrin | thanks |
16:55.19 | morsing | rhowe: Why are you ignoring me? |
16:56.28 | rhowe | morsing: Sorry, easily distracted |
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17:12.11 | morsing | rhowe: Why are you ignoring me? |
17:12.13 | morsing | Nylex! |
17:13.51 | Nylex | hi |
17:14.16 | keithlard | hi folks |
17:14.24 | Nylex | hi |
17:15.14 | keithlard | what's happening tomorrow? |
17:16.25 | Nylex | the talks? |
17:17.04 | rhowe | morsing: 'cause I'm going home :) |
17:17.10 | rhowe | morsing: via B&Q - need grout |
17:18.08 | morsing | You need gout? |
17:18.17 | Nylex | lol |
17:39.36 | Nylex | :( |
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18:32.07 | morsing | Cope! |
18:32.17 | morsing | AndrewDBlack! |
18:32.45 | cope | woo |
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19:10.28 | Marios_ | hey guys...what scheduler system do you suggest ? I need one to be in minimum 10 PCs which handles dependencies well |
19:12.03 | antiphase | What's that in English? |
19:14.47 | boudiccas | scheduler of what? |
19:14.52 | Marios_ | jobs |
19:15.01 | boudiccas | emacs and planner |
19:15.39 | cpufreak | anticipatory |
19:15.51 | cpufreak | I fucking hate $vendor |
19:15.53 | cpufreak | well I don't |
19:16.50 | boudiccas | cpufreak; you sound like you can't make up your mind :) |
19:16.55 | cpufreak | but I've spent 4 days here |
19:17.00 | cpufreak | not got away before 9pm each day |
19:17.09 | cpufreak | and I'm still no closer to knowing the true performance of their new kit |
19:17.19 | boudiccas | spin a coin |
19:17.23 | cpufreak | I can't talk about it to anyone else to discuss ideas, because i'm under nda |
19:17.42 | boudiccas | sounds like you're fscked then |
19:17.57 | cpufreak | and they don't have any official benchmarks for the configuratios we need to test |
19:18.15 | cpufreak | and if they did they'd be no use anyway, as they wouldn't be able to simulate as busy db as we have. |
19:18.33 | cpufreak | lol |
19:18.52 | boudiccas | cpufreak; whats it like being a mushroom? |
19:19.04 | cpufreak | mushroom? |
19:19.11 | boudiccas | cpufreak; kept in the dark, fed tish, and expected to produce mirracles |
19:19.14 | cpufreak | qlol |
19:19.32 | cpufreak | its not a case of being kept in the dark |
19:19.42 | cpufreak | its a question of no one knowing |
19:21.22 | Marios_ | guys you didn't understand my question |
19:22.00 | Marios_ | I have 10 boxes with NFS and I need to run jobs ... I need a global solution |
19:22.08 | boudiccas | Marios_; you didn't explain it fully enough |
19:22.14 | Marios_ | i used autosys but is a bit slow |
19:22.15 | cpufreak | Marios_: buy a netapp. |
19:22.22 | cpufreak | much easier |
19:22.33 | Marios_ | netapp ? |
19:22.39 | boudiccas | Marios_; learn how to use cron |
19:22.54 | Marios_ | does cron handles dependencies well ? |
19:23.34 | Marios_ | because some jobs depend on other jobs...so criteria is not only start time |
19:24.23 | cpufreak | Marios_: you don't explain yourself well |
19:24.28 | cpufreak | are you talkin about a kernel scheduler |
19:24.34 | cpufreak | or a task scheduler |
19:24.38 | Marios_ | task scheduler |
19:24.51 | Marios_ | sorry...nothing to do with kernel |
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19:26.46 | Marios_ | hello Leeds |
19:28.20 | Leeds | morning Marios_ :-) |
19:29.12 | boudiccas | Leeds; you're up early! just got in or couldn't sleep? |
19:30.19 | Marios_ | Leeds: I was talking to the guys here to suggest me of a good distributed task scheduler |
19:30.47 | boudiccas | Marios_; what makes you think I'm a guy? Because you're wrong! |
19:31.09 | Leeds | boudiccas: just got in :-) |
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19:31.14 | Marios_ | I said "to the guys here" |
19:31.18 | boudiccas | Leeds; :) |
19:31.33 | Marios_ | guys can include both boys and girls ;) |
19:32.01 | Leeds | had an interesting evening in the pub, with a couple of drunk women trying to explain why they go for bastards, even though they spent the entire evening telling me and my friend that we were nice guys |
19:32.04 | boudiccas | not in my culture it doesn't. being female and called a 'guy' is a gratuitous insult |
19:32.15 | Marios_ | hmm ok... |
19:32.29 | Marios_ | and what is your culture? |
19:32.32 | boudiccas | UK |
19:32.33 | Leeds | 'being a guy' is an outright insult, but being one of 'the guys' is less bad, I'd say |
19:33.09 | Leeds | it's not ideal, but it's effectively a less formal form of 'the people' |
19:33.15 | boudiccas | Leeds; hows the job hunting going? :) |
19:33.23 | Marios_ | exactly right Leeds |
19:33.28 | Leeds | boudiccas: the what? :-) |
19:33.50 | boudiccas | Leeds; you know? that something you're supposed to be doing :)))) |
19:34.48 | Leeds | eh, I've been far too busy for that... last couple of weeks have been solid "6 nights out drinking/partying/quizzing/comedying/fonduing/etc, 1 night unconscious at home" weeks... |
19:34.57 | boudiccas | Leeds; btw, I liked your last blog post, very coherently reasoned and argued |
19:35.12 | Leeds | thank you |
19:36.00 | pie | Leeds, URL? |
19:36.21 | boudiccas | anyways, Marios_ has a problem which he's asking for our ideas with. care to state it again Marios_? |
19:36.26 | Leeds | pie: wanderingjew.co.uk |
19:36.40 | Leeds | or planet.gllug.org.uk |
19:36.48 | Leeds | or planet.lugradio.org |
19:37.28 | Leeds | or geoexpat.com/handshakes/blogs/wanderingjew |
19:37.40 | Marios_ | as I said earlier...I am looking for a task scheduler solution for about 10 boxes which has dependencies functionality |
19:37.50 | Leeds | dmake? |
19:38.14 | Leeds | hmm... dmake is a Sun thing - dunno if it's open, portable, etc. |
19:38.47 | Leeds | well, it appears to be in Debian, which is a pretty good sign of something being open, portable, etc. :-) |
19:39.12 | Marios_ | can I schedule tasks with dmake ? |
19:39.22 | Marios_ | I am talking about jobs |
19:39.30 | Leeds | I don't have a job |
19:40.06 | Marios_ | lol |
19:40.22 | Leeds | gridengine? |
19:40.30 | Leeds | just write your own? |
19:40.41 | Marios_ | hmmm |
19:40.54 | Leeds | dunno - I've largely given up on admining the one box I'm nominally responsible for |
19:40.55 | Marios_ | I am looking something similar to autosys if you are aware |
19:41.05 | Leeds | I am not aware of it |
19:42.03 | Marios_ | hmm ok |
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20:11.28 | IAmAI | Hello |
20:14.53 | Leeds | zzzzz |
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20:27.43 | Leeds | sleeptime |
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