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`03:12.04`	`Leeds`	`ibot mikew`
`05:56.33`	`George`	`looks like I got into Cambridge`
`05:56.37`	`George`	`" Congratulations! Your offer has been confirmed."`
`06:27.02`	`Leeds`	`fools! when will they learn?`
`06:27.31`	`George`	`:P`
`06:37.39`	`Leeds`	`so, neither of the two colleagues I went out for lunch with today knew I was leaving next week...`
`06:44.44`	`morsing`	`'morning`
`06:44.56`	`George`	`hi morsing`
`06:47.20`	`morsing`	`George: :) You said hi to me :)`
`06:47.27`	`George`	`...`
`07:03.15`	`Leeds`	`'heavy, thundery showers pretty much everywhere, highs in the high teens or low twenties'`
`07:26.23`	`mozrat`	`George, well done mate`
`07:26.30`	`mozrat`	`Good luck`
`07:26.41`	`George`	`mozrat: good luck?`
`07:26.52`	`George`	`I got my A level results... AAAA`
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`07:27.10`	`mozrat`	`nice one`
`07:27.25`	`George`	`mozrat: still waiting on one result...`
`07:29.18`	`SlammerXP`	`George: to see if the excess girlyness you possess is hormonal?`
`07:29.30`	`George`	`SlammerXP: A level results.`
`07:30.35`	`SlammerXP`	`so the girlyness _is_ hormonal?`
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`07:39.21`	`George`	`mozrat: anyway, I'm happy`
`07:39.36`	`morsing`	`mozrat!`
`07:52.39`	`morsing`	`mozzie`
`07:52.40`	`morsing`	`?`
`08:04.55`	`mozrat`	`hello!`
`08:10.31`	`Leeds`	`hwllo`
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`08:33.51`	`morsing`	`Cope!`
`08:36.48`	`George`	`Cope: I got in :D`
`08:37.08`	`mozrat`	`http://blog.lightsoutfilms.com/photos/uncategorized/fromtheinternet.jpg`
`08:40.58`	`Cope`	`George - where?`
`08:41.01`	`Cope`	`hello morsing`
`08:41.05`	`George`	`Cope: Cambridge`
`08:41.08`	`George`	`Cope: A level results today`
`08:41.27`	`Cope`	`oh, fabulous; well done!`
`08:41.31`	`Cope`	`hug`
`08:42.59`	`mozrat`	`Yes indeed`
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`08:43.24`	`mozrat`	`wassup popey`
`08:43.44`	`pontifex`	`oops`
`08:43.47`	`pontifex`	`just the man, hello`
`08:43.53`	`pontifex`	`got a second for a /query?`
`08:43.56`	`mozrat`	`sure!`
`08:46.32`	`Cope`	`anyone here ever driven / owned a landrover? a proper one.. defender?`
`08:46.41`	`mozrat`	`Yes Sir!`
`08:46.52`	`mozrat`	`They were all green, does that give you a clue?`
`08:47.05`	`Cope`	`I expected you had.`
`08:47.07`	`mozrat`	`I love Landies`
`08:47.08`	`mozrat`	`But`
`08:47.12`	`mozrat`	`fuel consumption`
`08:47.16`	`Cope`	`was about to ask this`
`08:47.17`	`mozrat`	`not fantastic`
`08:47.25`	`mozrat`	`and fuel is expensive`
`08:47.37`	`Cope`	`they seem to be 2.5 L turbo diesels`
`08:47.38`	`mozrat`	`but the vehicles themselves are great fun`
`08:47.40`	`Cope`	`typically`
`08:48.02`	`mozrat`	`I'd love to buy one, maybe I will one day`
`08:48.03`	`Cope`	`probably weigh the same as my escort? or heavier? aren't they aluminium?`
`08:48.20`	`Cope`	`trying to work out what fuel consumption would be like`
`08:48.22`	`mozrat`	`a 90 or a 110?`
`08:48.29`	`mozrat`	`I would guess heavier but I dunno`
`08:48.32`	`Cope`	`110 I think, for family/space reasons`
`08:48.47`	`mozrat`	`they aren't exactly made to be light as a primary concern like "road vehicles"`
`08:48.51`	`Cope`	`might get a 90 to start with though; dunno.`
`08:48.58`	`Cope`	`no, true`
`08:49.38`	`mozrat`	`My only concerns with having one is firstly fuel consumption and secondly...`
`08:49.43`	`mozrat`	`if you want to go on a long drive`
`08:49.54`	`mozrat`	`for example I go to cornwall once every 18 months or so`
`08:50.03`	`mozrat`	`it's a lot longer in a landy than my mondeo`
`08:50.18`	`Cope`	`we have minis too`
`08:50.20`	`Cope`	`:)`
`08:51.09`	`mozrat`	`yes :-)`
`08:51.32`	`mozrat`	`Land Rovers have a lot of character`
`08:51.38`	`Cope`	`as do minis`
`08:52.00`	`mozrat`	`I very nearly bought one when I lived in Dover`
`08:52.03`	`mozrat`	`a series 2 old one`
`08:52.07`	`mozrat`	`that had been souped up`
`08:52.08`	`Cope`	`anyway, I am going to have a go on one on monday`
`08:52.20`	`Cope`	`D reg`
`08:52.24`	`Cope`	`2.5K`
`08:52.33`	`mozrat`	`thats the price?`
`08:52.49`	`Cope`	`prolly can't afford it yet, but wanted to have a drive`
`08:52.53`	`Cope`	`yeah, 2500 ukp`
`08:52.54`	`mozrat`	`thats not bad`
`08:52.58`	`Cope`	`i thought not`
`08:53.07`	`Cope`	`my notional budget is 3000`
`08:53.07`	`mozrat`	`although - you probably cannot find too many D reg cars for that much money`
`08:53.13`	`mozrat`	`for the age it is a lot`
`08:53.16`	`Cope`	`yes`
`08:54.58`	`George`	`moo`
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`08:56.44`	`morsing`	`Leeds!`
`08:57.38`	`morsing`	`Cope: LVM issues?`
`08:57.39`	`Leeds`	`well, the downloadable Xen demo CD just panics on my machine...`
`09:01.20`	`Cope`	`morsing: kinda busy atm; will try to get to it later, though.`
`09:11.35`	`Leeds`	`mmm... openttd :-)`
`09:39.47`	`Leeds`	`why does nobody use the HTTP header (Accept?) which tells the server what languages the browser would like to see?`
`09:54.43`	`Leeds`	`hmm... time to go home, I think... and then, obviously enough, to Pizza Express...`
`09:55.18`	`rhowe_`	`hmm.. "i have hold of a spare ticket for V festival at chelmesford"`
`09:55.22`	`rhowe_`	`What on earth do I say?`
`09:58.19`	`wethrin`	`rhowe: Please continue to hold`
`09:58.30`	`Leeds`	`and we know rhowe likes Chinese...`
`09:58.49`	`Leeds`	`rhowe: you say "thank you, yes, that would be lovely"`
`09:59.17`	`rhowe`	`Leeds: Yeah, not sure the wife'd like that answer :)`
`09:59.33`	`wethrin`	`She's keeping you well trained :)`
`09:59.47`	`rhowe`	`"if you're short of cash you could always give me some money for the ticket when you've got it too"`
`09:59.53`	`rhowe`	`Oh, so now he wants money!`
`09:59.57`	`rhowe`	`goddamned relatives :)`
`10:00.03`	`wethrin`	`:)`
`10:00.18`	`Leeds`	`ah, that old scam`
`10:04.10`	`morsing`	`rhowe!`
`10:04.29`	`wethrin`	`Hands up who wants to come to Chimes a week tomorrow (25th)`
`10:09.20`	`rhowe`	`wethrin: Too broke`
`10:09.22`	`rhowe`	`morsing!`
`10:10.09`	`wethrin`	`rhowe: Bah :(`
`10:10.18`	`wethrin`	`Credit card?`
`10:10.43`	`rhowe`	`wethrin: one's paid off and cancelled, the other maxed`
`10:10.49`	`wethrin`	`Bah`
`10:11.43`	`wethrin`	`dammit. Need coffee`
`10:11.44`	`wethrin`	`biab`
`10:15.11`	`rhowe`	`How neat is this little thing? http://www.dpie.com/storage/zeus_z2s.html`
`10:16.14`	`pontifex`	`"quite neat"?`
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`10:26.26`	`mozrat`	`yay!`
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`10:27.56`	`z00dax`	`I have 14k unread on lkml and another 11k on Xen-devel`
`10:27.59`	`z00dax`	`I win!`
`10:28.36`	`Cope`	`me grins.`
`10:29.01`	`mozrat`	`My colleague was horrified when I showed him`
`10:29.11`	`mozrat`	`I said they were mostly from him`
`10:29.21`	`mozrat`	`he... FILES.. his email into little folders`
`10:29.23`	`mozrat`	`sucker`
`10:35.28`	`wethrin`	`mozrat! You'll come to Chimes next week, won't you?`
`10:36.03`	`mozrat`	`I actually booked two weeks off but they wouldn't let me take them back to back`
`10:36.39`	`Cope`	`quaintes`
`10:36.46`	`wethrin`	`Damn`
`10:36.49`	`wethrin`	`Cope, then? :)`
`10:37.17`	`Cope`	`what date?`
`10:37.26`	`morsing`	`wethrin!`
`10:37.36`	`morsing`	`wethrin: Your server hasnn't crashed today!`
`10:37.57`	`wethrin`	`morsing: I know`
`10:38.00`	`wethrin`	`Cope: 25th`
`10:38.05`	`wethrin`	`morsing: Good, isn't it? :)`
`10:38.20`	`wethrin`	`$user crashed it a couple of days ago by running it out of swap space`
`10:38.21`	`morsing`	`wethrin: Impressive for a BSD server`
`10:38.29`	`wethrin`	`pff`
`10:38.33`	`morsing`	`:)`
`10:38.35`	`morsing`	`AIX!`
`10:39.00`	`z00dax`	`i need to book some holiday too...`
`10:39.14`	`z00dax`	`will help if I actually went into work first....`
`10:39.27`	`wethrin`	`I want a fixed soldering iron before I work on my AIX machine :)`
`10:39.29`	`wethrin`	`Well, to-be-AIX`
`10:40.34`	`z00dax`	`a diy aix box huh ?`
`10:42.17`	`wethrin`	`Well....a serial terminal server`
`10:42.23`	`wethrin`	`Given I have 25 serial ports to attach to it`
`11:12.35`	`SlammerXP`	`mozrat: meanie`
`11:12.47`	`mozrat`	`SlammerXP: what? I was trying to "big" you up!`
`11:12.58`	`SlammerXP`	`"I heartily recommend..." :)`
`11:13.22`	`mozrat`	`Nah - thats blatent. I've set you up for the smash volley`
`11:13.25`	`mozrat`	`you take the point`
`11:14.35`	`SlammerXP`	`mozrat: meanie :)`
`11:14.54`	`merlinn`	`I want to eat something yummy`
`11:14.59`	`mozrat`	`SlammerXP: do you have a pricing scheme for home users?`
`11:15.07`	`mozrat`	`just out of interest - I'm not looking to sign up`
`11:15.17`	`SlammerXP`	`most home users wouldn't be able to use it`
`11:15.42`	`SlammerXP`	`need mx control`
`11:15.57`	`mozrat`	`yeah`
`11:16.11`	`SlammerXP`	`but one glluger pays about 30 pear year`
`11:16.18`	`mozrat`	`couldn't they forward to username@homeuser.antibodymx.net using their ISP control panel thingies?`
`11:16.40`	`mozrat`	`and then you forward it onto.. hmm, yeah`
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`12:23.01`	`boudiccas`	`what backup programs do you people use please?`
`12:26.24`	`merlinn_`	`legato`
`12:26.30`	`merlinn_`	`time navigator is good too`
`12:26.43`	`merlinn_`	`veritas netbackup is okay`
`12:26.49`	`merlinn_`	`probably better than legato`
`12:27.02`	`merlinn_`	`don't use tivoli`
`12:28.48`	`pontifex`	`sbackup`
`12:30.01`	`morsing`	`TSM RULES!`
`12:30.17`	`morsing`	`Nothing on this planet is nearly as good as TSM!`
`12:30.25`	`morsing`	`Netbackup sucks`
`12:31.30`	`boudiccas`	`the reason i ask is that I'm trying to find a backup program to back up one machine to its self, using differential strategies and is well documented and in development still`
`12:36.37`	`morsing`	`Why differential strategies?`
`12:36.51`	`mozrat`	`boudiccas: I have a bash script that will do this if you are looking for something simple`
`12:36.54`	`mozrat`	`uses tar`
`12:37.28`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; yes please :) can you email it to me please?`
`12:37.43`	`mozrat`	`boudiccas: would be a pleasure!`
`12:38.06`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; smashing, ty`
`12:42.00`	`mozrat`	`You may need to tweak it just a little bit`
`12:42.10`	`mozrat`	`but it basically works fine - it's saved my ass on a number of occasions`
`12:53.48`	`mozrat`	`boudiccas: should be with you now`
`12:54.09`	`mozrat`	`backup-functions is a set of bash functions to break the code up a bit`
`12:54.31`	`mozrat`	`if you decide you don't need to PGP protect the files or FTP them offsite just comment those lines out in backup.sh`
`12:54.42`	`mozrat`	you call the script with `./backup.sh 0` for a full backup
`12:54.43`	`mozrat`	`and`
`12:54.58`	`mozrat`	`./backup.sh 1` for a incremental
`12:55.08`	`mozrat`	`s/incremental/differential/`
`12:56.05`	`mozrat`	`SlammerXP: never tried it to be honest, but my script assumes no MT drives`
`12:56.15`	`Cope`	`yeah, I read your reviews on punter.net`
`12:56.22`	`SlammerXP`	`amanda can do archives to disk`
`12:56.23`	`mozrat`	`just local backup and then a FTP transfer offsite`
`12:58.57`	`mozrat`	`boudiccas: I guess SlammerXP has a good point here. By script doesn't give you an archive of your previous backups`
`12:59.18`	`mozrat`	`you'd have to go hunting for files if you deleted something �$SOME_TIME ago and didn't know when`
`12:59.59`	`rhowe`	`boudiccas: http://www.bacula.org/`
`13:06.45`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; what is ... BACKUPDIR="${HOME}/backup" ... please?`
`13:07.09`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; btw, I've got it ty :)`
`13:11.27`	`mozrat`	`thats where the script lives`
`13:11.41`	`mozrat`	`you need a folder in your homedir called backup and those 2 files inside`
`13:12.04`	`mozrat`	`just because it creates a little timestamp file to know when the last full backup was (when you ran ./backup.sh 0 )`
`13:12.23`	`boudiccas`	`ah, ty. its working atm as a test run`
`13:12.38`	`mozrat`	`cool`
`13:17.27`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; I've added this to the script ... written by Simon Morris [aka mozrat] 12-08-2006 ... hope you don't mind? :)`
`13:18.07`	`mozrat`	`boudiccas: can we discuss your licence fees at some stage?`
`13:18.32`	`mozrat`	`I would like to discuss... ahem... bringing you into our very competitive support rates`
`13:18.42`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; certainly :)`
`13:19.18`	`boudiccas`	`did you know, if you're doing a street collection for a charity, its actually illegal to rattle the money con!`
`13:19.27`	`boudiccas`	`*can`
`13:20.04`	`wethrin`	`yup`
`13:20.44`	`boudiccas`	`i used to take part in street collections for Saint John Ambulance, and thats where i learnt it`
`13:21.13`	`mozrat`	`heh`
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`13:21.20`	`mozrat`	`boudiccas: were you a chugger?`
`13:22.11`	`JAV`	`hi`
`13:22.36`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; nope. i was a lemon, and just stood there holding the can and looking pathetic! :)`
`13:23.29`	`boudiccas`	`used to stand outside one particular restaurant in Norwich doing it, and every year at dinnertime they sent me downa mug of coffee and a salad roll :)`
`13:23.57`	`mozrat`	`boudiccas: you seem quite a community minded person!`
`13:24.07`	`mozrat`	`Being a nursey and a charity collector`
`13:25.08`	`mozrat`	`JAV, hello sir`
`13:27.38`	`pontifex`	`\o/ community minded people`
`13:28.25`	`mozrat`	`Ack, I've had no internet at home for a week now`
`13:28.33`	`pontifex`	`mine is busted too :(`
`13:28.40`	`pontifex`	`I have net but it's utterly unreliable`
`13:28.43`	`pontifex`	`sodding ADSL Max`
`13:28.44`	`mozrat`	`and now BT won't send my finance department the bills they haven't been paying`
`13:28.57`	`mozrat`	`mine is a billing issue - work haven't been paying for a year :(`
`13:29.06`	`pontifex`	`:(`
`13:32.55`	`rhowe`	`mozrat: Go online?`
`13:33.32`	`rhowe`	`... full of cup-a-soup`
`13:34.39`	`mozrat`	`rhowe: sorry?`
`13:35.38`	`wethrin`	`pie?`
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`13:36.07`	`mozrat`	`whatsthathen??`
`13:36.08`	`rhowe`	`mozrat: Soup+biscuit lunch :)`
`13:36.18`	`mozrat`	`14:32 < rhowe> mozrat: Go online?`
`13:36.38`	`rhowe`	`mozrat: For the bill`
`13:36.39`	`morsing`	`Check it!`
`13:37.01`	`mozrat`	`rhowe: well - not possible apparently`
`13:37.09`	`mozrat`	`Dunno why. It's a business account`
`13:37.26`	`rhowe`	`mozrat: hm.. maybe that's only for phone lines + calls or something`
`13:37.56`	`mozrat`	`rhowe: yeah maybe. I get my own line rental bills each quarter`
`13:38.08`	`mozrat`	`I don't think anyone has ever got a BT Broadband one - hence the mess I'm in`
`13:38.17`	`mozrat`	`I've been actually talking to my wife the past week at nights`
`13:38.23`	`mozrat`	`I MISS THE INTERNET`
`13:39.34`	`wethrin`	`heh`
`13:40.44`	`mozrat`	`I wonder how much of hte internet I can get onto a 500GB lacie drive using wget for tonight`
`13:40.55`	`mozrat`	`500GB I guess :(`
`13:41.39`	`morsing`	`mozrat: All of it I'd think`
`13:41.48`	`wethrin`	`morsing: All the non-porn stuff, anyway`
`13:42.46`	`skugg`	`so, all the uninteresting bits?`
`13:42.59`	`skugg`	`o.O did I say that out loud?`
`13:43.01`	`wethrin`	`There's wikipedia? :)`
`13:43.06`	`wethrin`	`but other than that, yeah`
`13:49.36`	`pontifex`	`all the stuff except the poems about dead kittens`
`13:53.57`	`SlammerXP`	`i don't have the internet, I use myspace instead`
`13:59.35`	`pontifex`	`hehe`
`14:00.31`	`merlinn_`	`myspace are recruiting atm`
`14:01.13`	`merlinn_`	`if anyone wants to work for a company that makes millions through the distribution of interconnections facilitating 30yr old men to stick their fingers in 17yr old girls twats`
`14:02.08`	`pontifex`	`nice imagery`
`14:02.23`	`merlinn_`	`I think it's their business modle`
`14:04.37`	`antiphase`	`I'll be 30 in 18 months. Sounds like something to look forward to`
`14:05.19`	`merlinn_`	`myspace, faceparty and other such sites are amazing`
`14:05.20`	`wethrin`	`You're only as young as the person you feel, after all`
`14:05.22`	`merlinn_`	`I love the concept`
`14:05.50`	`George`	`I would like to know why Corpus are asking for all my UMS marks.`
`14:06.17`	`merlinn_`	`corpus?`
`14:06.30`	`wethrin`	`The other Corpus Christi College`
`14:06.36`	`merlinn_`	`at cambridge?`
`14:06.37`	`George`	`wethrin: the real corpus christi college`
`14:06.45`	`wethrin`	`George: Did you get all As, then?`
`14:06.48`	`George`	`wethrin: yes`
`14:06.51`	`George`	`wethrin: and a 2 in STEP Maths`
`14:07.23`	`merlinn_`	`which one are you?`
`14:07.30`	`merlinn_`	`cambridge or oxford?`
`14:07.45`	`wethrin`	`George: Well done`
`14:07.48`	`wethrin`	`merlinn_: He's at the wrong place`
`14:07.55`	`merlinn_`	`oxford?`
`14:07.58`	`wethrin`	`no`
`14:08.03`	`wethrin`	`Oxford is Good, Right and Proper`
`14:08.05`	`merlinn_`	`I went to cambridge`
`14:08.05`	`George`	`no`
`14:08.06`	`George`	`Oxford sucks`
`14:08.08`	`wethrin`	`I'm sorry`
`14:08.10`	`George`	`and should go to hell`
`14:08.11`	`merlinn_`	`oxford is for fags`
`14:08.16`	`wethrin`	`No, no.`
`14:08.23`	`wethrin`	`Cambridge is the home of the homosexual spy`
`14:08.30`	`merlinn_`	`that said however`
`14:08.34`	`merlinn_`	`I hated cambridge`
`14:08.37`	`wethrin`	`heh`
`14:08.55`	`George`	`"I have now received your examination results and I am delighted to confirm our offer of a place to read Computer Science at Corpus Christi College, Cambridge, for entry in October 2006. We have informed UCAS of our decision, and you will receive formal confirmation of your place from them in due course."`
`14:09.06`	`George`	`merlinn_: you suck then`
`14:09.10`	`wethrin`	`What're UMS marks?`
`14:09.13`	`merlinn_`	`sorry`
`14:09.18`	`merlinn_`	`well I mean`
`14:09.22`	`merlinn_`	`cambridge does suck dong`
`14:09.25`	`merlinn_`	`as a city`
`14:09.35`	`merlinn_`	`at school I was an organic drill bit`
`14:09.42`	`George`	`some of us wwant a quiet place :P`
`14:09.44`	`merlinn_`	`but I hated living in cambridge`
`14:09.53`	`George`	`which college were you at?`
`14:14.04`	`merlinn_`	`I went to kings initially`
`14:16.23`	`merlinn_`	`but switched to emma after 6 months`
`14:16.42`	`merlinn_`	`my degree was actually in the states`
`14:16.45`	`merlinn_`	`but I transferred`
`14:17.03`	`merlinn_`	`on the basis that cambridge at the time offered an MSC in 3 years`
`14:17.09`	`merlinn_`	`for no extra work`
`14:17.46`	`merlinn_`	`it didn't float my boat as much as I wanted it to`
`14:17.52`	`merlinn_`	`so I went back to the states`
`14:19.06`	`George`	`er, as far as I know you can't switch colleges`
`14:19.12`	`merlinn_`	`I wasn't switching`
`14:19.16`	`merlinn_`	`I came over to visit`
`14:19.24`	`merlinn_`	`with another university`
`14:19.30`	`merlinn_`	`then went back again`
`14:19.39`	`merlinn_`	`then transferred to cambridge`
`14:19.44`	`merlinn_`	`after a nice experience`
`14:21.15`	`merlinn_`	`are you a mature student?`
`14:21.19`	`George`	`no`
`14:21.27`	`merlinn_`	`undergrad or post grad?`
`14:21.30`	`George`	`undergrad.`
`14:21.41`	`wethrin`	`merlinn_: There's no such thing as a mature student :)`
`14:21.49`	`merlinn_`	`well`
`14:21.56`	`merlinn_`	`I guess...`
`14:22.02`	`merlinn_`	`there's less mature students though`
`14:22.10`	`wethrin`	`George is very immature`
`14:22.14`	`merlinn_`	`what precisely are you doing George ?`
`14:22.17`	`George`	`guess`
`14:22.28`	`merlinn_`	`Maths?`
`14:22.45`	`merlinn_`	`or comp sci`
`14:23.22`	`George`	`compsci`
`14:40.35`	`boudiccas`	`I see that Simon Morris [aka mozrat] has got haonourable mention in a short article about Gllug in the newest edition of Linux Format, soon to hit the news stands :)`
`14:45.35`	`wethrin`	`He's famous!`
`14:46.40`	`boudiccas`	`yup. we'll have to call him 'Sir' now :(`
`14:47.07`	`mozrat`	`boudiccas: oh?`
`14:47.57`	`mozrat`	`boudiccas: is the picture of little Felix included?`
`14:55.04`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; yes, felix is interested in pine cones!`
`14:55.46`	`mozrat`	`Apparently so!`
`14:58.09`	`mozrat`	`boudiccas: how are you seeing this now then? You get it sent to you?`
`15:02.09`	`pontifex`	`what's on the cover?`
`15:07.09`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; yes, i'm a subscriber`
`15:07.22`	`boudiccas`	`pontifex; virtual smackdown`
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`15:22.08`	`morsing`	`Lotto-Kim!`
`15:22.15`	`morsing`	`Lotto-Kim: Who are you?`
`15:33.33`	`Lotto-Kim`	`I'm kim! Moving to London 1th of September`
`15:34.58`	`morsing`	`Lotto-Kim: Do you work for the lottery? Or are you the stalker?`
`15:35.55`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; ere, did you know that if you change ./backup.sh whilst its running it starts all over again! :)))`
`15:36.09`	`Lotto-Kim`	`morsing: hehe, a stalker`
`15:37.51`	`Lotto-Kim`	`Any action at gllug events?`
`15:38.02`	`boudiccas`	`either that or its stuck in a loop`
`15:43.12`	`SlammerXP`	`i knew a Kim once`
`15:43.19`	`SlammerXP`	`she was a red-head medical student`
`15:43.38`	`SlammerXP`	`mmmmmmedicalstudents`
`15:46.40`	`wethrin`	`Mmmm :)`
`15:46.43`	`wethrin`	`Um`
`15:46.47`	`Lotto-Kim`	`hehe, I got a office on top of a medical university, straight above the main entrance:)`
`15:47.07`	`SlammerXP`	`url to webcam?`
`15:47.17`	`Lotto-Kim`	`webcam.lotto-kim.net`
`15:47.30`	`rhowe`	`He said URL, not hostname!`
`15:47.34`	`wethrin`	`What sort of action do you want? :) There has been a Community Support Officer in attendance at past events`
`15:47.42`	`SlammerXP`	`put a sign on the entrance: All Female Students Must Look Up And Wave`
`15:48.07`	`Leeds`	`evening Lotto-Kim`
`15:48.14`	`Lotto-Kim`	`rhowe: sorry, http://webcam.lotto-kim.net`
`15:48.14`	`Leeds`	`et al`
`15:49.17`	`Leeds`	`Lotto-Kim: where are you moving from?`
`15:49.22`	`Lotto-Kim`	`Norway`
`15:49.35`	`Leeds`	`ah...`
`15:49.45`	`Leeds`	`wethrin: will you be in London for the rest of the weekend, at least?`
`15:50.17`	`wethrin`	`Leeds: Next weekend?`
`15:50.20`	`Leeds`	`yes`
`15:50.25`	`wethrin`	`I'm busy on the Sunday`
`15:50.29`	`Lotto-Kim`	`SlammerXP: Got a little plan for one of me colleagues, he got some problems with girls:P`
`15:50.48`	`Leeds`	`wethrin: bummer... and then back up north?`
`15:50.49`	`wethrin`	`And heading back to Durham on the Monday evening, but could spare some hours otherwise`
`15:51.15`	`rhowe`	`Lotto-Kim: I can't help but notice, that webcam requires authentication`
`15:51.55`	`Lotto-Kim`	`rhowe: root/dude`
`15:52.22`	`Lotto-Kim`	`But the webcam is down`
`15:52.36`	`Leeds`	`it appears to be raining`
`15:52.59`	`wethrin`	`Leeds: You going to be around London that weekend, then?`
`15:53.00`	`Leeds`	`wethrin: I am arriving at Heathrow early on Sunday morning, may well be heading off to Spain that evening...`
`15:53.21`	`wethrin`	`Hmm. When'll you be back?`
`15:53.32`	`Lotto-Kim`	`Leeds: It is`
`15:53.52`	`rhowe`	`Lotto-Kim: Wipe that window down!`
`15:54.05`	`rhowe`	`Lotto-Kim: Ah yes, that person isn't moving a whole lot`
`15:54.06`	`Lotto-Kim`	`Can somone tell me a litle bit about the weather in London?`
`15:54.27`	`wethrin`	`It varies from cold and rainy to hot and sunny`
`15:54.30`	`SlammerXP`	`Lotto-Kim: well, we have some`
`15:54.37`	`wethrin`	`Sometimes within the space of an hour or less`
`15:54.55`	`Lotto-Kim`	`Its down becouse i cant get this webcam to work in Linux`
`15:55.08`	`rhowe`	`wethrin: It went from blue sky and warm to torrential downpour and black clouds in the space of 10 minutes at Heathrow on Saturday. I was pretty impressed`
`15:55.17`	`wethrin`	`Yay`
`15:55.18`	`Leeds`	`wethrin: from Spain? assuming I go, at the end of the week or so`
`15:55.28`	`rhowe`	`Lotto-Kim: What kind of webcam is it? The image looks not unlike the image I get from my Creative Webcam Pro`
`15:55.51`	`JAV`	`Leeds: it's raining here :D`
`15:56.20`	`Leeds`	`JAV: hot and humid here - a few drops of rain this afternoon, but the people I was out with were more worried about putting up their umbrellas against the sun`
`15:56.23`	`wethrin`	`Leeds: If you say what weekend you might be down in London, I'll try and come along. Otherwise, I could nip to Leeds or York on a weekday evening`
`15:56.23`	`Lotto-Kim`	`rhowe: It was not my cam, it could be a old Creative Webcam Pro`
`15:56.32`	`JAV`	`well, not now, heavy sun`
`15:56.38`	`rhowe`	`Lotto-Kim: If so, you'll need the ov511 driver`
`15:56.46`	`rhowe`	`JAV: Yeah, I just got a blast off the gherkin`
`15:59.51`	`Lotto-Kim`	`I changed cam, now i got a Creative Webcam Live!`
`16:00.54`	`Leeds`	`wethrin: off the top of my head, I'd say there's a pretty good chance of my being in London the weekend of the 9th/10th`
`16:01.17`	`Lotto-Kim`	`okey, so shorts and jacket will be the perfect combination`
`16:02.42`	`Leeds`	`uh, what/`
`16:04.38`	`wethrin`	`Leeds: Damn`
`16:05.00`	`wethrin`	`I'm home that weekend, but playing music Friday evening, all day Saturday, and most of Sunday`
`16:06.35`	`mozrat`	`boudiccas: huh?`
`16:06.39`	`mozrat`	`hello Lotto-Kim`
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`16:07.10`	`Leeds`	`morning pdr`
`16:07.20`	`pdr`	`morning leeds`
`16:07.31`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; yes, i've been tweaking the ./backup.sh variables [changing what is to be backed up etc] and it just restarts itself :)`
`16:07.35`	`pdr`	`long time no chat, how've you been?`
`16:07.39`	`Leeds`	`wethrin: well, maybe the week after, maybe not`
`16:08.13`	`Leeds`	`pdr: can't remember when we last spoke, so very short form: fired, heading back to the UK next week for a few weeks before coming back to find a new job, apartment, etc. - in the meantime, having a blast socially`
`16:08.36`	`pdr`	`wow, now that's quite a lot of news`
`16:08.58`	`pdr`	`well, sorry about the job, but it'll be good to have you back at least`
`16:09.52`	`Leeds`	`yeah - wasn't the most fun, being fired by my cousin over a beer, but it wasn't a bad thing - it wasn't really working out`
`16:10.26`	`Leeds`	`oh, and incidentally, can your brother get us all greenphones? :-)`
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`16:14.16`	`mozrat`	`how do you mean it restarts itself?`
`16:14.34`	`mozrat`	`you are editing the script whilst the backup is running?`
`16:20.31`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; yes, it reaches the end, and just keeps going. I'm not worried about it because I know why its doing it. now i've stopped tweaking it will complete`
`16:22.35`	`mozrat`	`you are saying it stops the tar and then restarts itself automatically?`
`16:22.40`	`mozrat`	`nah, thats weird`
`16:22.57`	`mozrat`	`boudiccas: are you going to be able to scan that Linux Format piece for me?`
`16:22.58`	`pdr`	`Leeds: greephones?`
`16:23.01`	`mozrat`	`so I can post it to the site`
`16:23.07`	`boudiccas`	`yes, it just keepps on rolling through :)`
`16:23.30`	`Leeds`	`pdr: new 'open' qtopia-based phone announced by the trolls at linuxworld in the US this week`
`16:23.34`	`boudiccas`	`no, not got my scanner connected to the pc, sorry :(`
`16:23.34`	`pdr`	`Leeds: recycled ones?`
`16:23.35`	`Lotto-Kim`	`rhowe: installed spca5xx, works fine;)`
`16:23.36`	`pdr`	`i c`
`16:24.13`	`Leeds`	`intended to go to third-party developers (both closed and open) so they have a real-world device to target`
`16:24.48`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; no physical space available for the scanner so am unable to connect it`
`16:27.49`	`mozrat`	`ok`
`16:28.07`	`mozrat`	`So you are saying I have to buy it?`
`16:30.06`	`pdr`	`Leeds: the only reference i can find is on the trolltech site itself! look good tho`
`16:30.49`	`pdr`	`i wonder who they've got to make it for them, no doubt john is involved`
`16:31.29`	`Leeds`	`pdr: well, there's lots of blog and press release type buzz around...`
`16:31.41`	`pdr`	`cool`
`16:31.57`	`Leeds`	`http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8030785497.html`
`16:36.30`	`Lotto-Kim`	`nice`
`16:36.49`	`Lotto-Kim`	`hope it does not get to expensive`
`16:37.48`	`Leeds`	`well, if it's a limited run, it could be... on the other hand, it's probably subsidised... on the gripping hand, maybe it's a repurposed existing phone with different software and shell, and might be affordable`
`16:51.28`	`Leeds`	`"Boeing Co. on Thursday said it will discontinue its loss-making, high-speed broadband communications service, Connexion by Boeing..."`
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`17:15.28`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; no, I'll email a copy to you. The only thing that you'll be missing is Felix's photo`
`17:26.54`	`z00dax`	`humm... i still think the nokia 770 is better value than the green thing`
`17:29.18`	`Leeds`	`z00dax: gsm/gprs - makes it an actual phone`
`17:29.26`	`z00dax`	`Leeds: true...`
`17:29.59`	`z00dax`	`but the nokia has a better screen, and better apps - and you can mostly write apps with whatever you want`
`17:30.17`	`z00dax`	`one thing to watch out for is going to be usable ram, the nokia is limited to 64megs of ram`
`17:30.24`	`z00dax`	`which is sort of limiting these days.`
`17:30.36`	`z00dax`	`my 'c' days are semi over nwo`
`17:30.37`	`Leeds`	`but it's not a phone`
`17:30.39`	`z00dax`	`s/nwo/now/`
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`18:19.15`	`goltor`	`inspector morse`
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`18:43.46`	`George`	`wethrin: a filthy oxonian left a filthy message on my blog`
`18:43.53`	`George`	`"Congratulations, and let me be the first to say: Filthy Tab!"`
`18:47.18`	`wethrin`	`Wasn't me!`
`18:47.26`	`George`	`wethrin: I know`
`18:47.33`	`George`	`wethrin: it was phil rodrigues, a kde devel`
`18:47.38`	`wethrin`	`heh`
`18:47.50`	`wethrin`	`I do now have to officially hate you, though`
`18:48.09`	`George`	`wethrin: I see`
`18:48.10`	`George`	`ass`
`18:49.15`	`George`	`wethrin: you filthy onion`
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`18:50.14`	`George`	`ass`
`18:51.56`	`George`	`wethrin: it's my right now to hurl abuse at you`
`18:52.33`	`wethrin`	`Not quite. Only if they concert my institution`
`18:53.12`	`George`	`wethrin: ?`
`18:53.37`	`wethrin`	`You can't just call me an ass directly`
`18:53.45`	`George`	`I bloody can`
`18:53.46`	`George`	`ass`
`18:54.28`	`wethrin`	`go away`
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`18:55.25`	`George`	`wethrin: :(`
`19:07.02`	`wethrin`	`Muahaha`
`19:07.05`	`wethrin`	`You never liked me :-P`
`19:07.19`	`George`	`filthy oxonian`
`19:07.24`	`George`	`FILTHY`
`19:07.40`	`George`	`FILTH`
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`19:13.53`	`wethrin`	`:)`
`19:14.00`	`George`	`FILTH!!!!`
`20:10.39`	`morsing`	`arika-chan!`
`20:11.20`	`arika-chan`	`morsing!`
`20:19.00`	`mozrat`	`me!`
`20:20.07`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; currently putting the LF article into a text file for you :)`
`20:20.38`	`mozrat`	`boudiccas, oh - I didn't want to put you through any hassle`
`20:20.42`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; btw, backup file 0 was overwritten by backup file 1 about ten minutes later!`
`20:20.59`	`boudiccas`	`its no hasle, good test for my word processing skills`
`20:21.04`	`boudiccas`	`*hassle`
`20:22.11`	`mozrat`	`boudiccas, ah yeah.... the filename only uses the date`
`20:22.13`	`mozrat`	`not the time`
`20:22.17`	`mozrat`	`so - if you ran it twice on the same day....:-)`
`20:22.39`	`mozrat`	`you can change that if you alter the date command string`
`20:25.58`	`mozrat`	`but... you dont normally want to run it multiple times daily`
`20:26.08`	`mozrat`	`boudiccas, are you aware of cron?`
`20:27.54`	`boudiccas`	`to include ... time +%HH%MM .... yes, set up to run by cron at 0600 every day for a complete backup`
`20:28.18`	`boudiccas`	`I was trying to get incremental/differential backups every 4 or 6 hours too`
`20:29.25`	`mozrat`	`OK`
`20:29.47`	`mozrat`	`so - stick a hour and minute part in the name - should work fine`
`20:30.04`	`mozrat`	`you are going to have a lot of backup files....`
`20:30.39`	`boudiccas`	`my skills are not advacned enough for it [and neither is my spelling too by the look of it!]`
`20:30.46`	`mozrat`	`how long do you want a restore window for?`
`20:31.04`	`boudiccas`	`two months`
`20:31.09`	`mozrat`	`run date --help`
`20:31.21`	`mozrat`	`and get the correct variable for hour and minute`
`20:31.35`	`mozrat`	`I'm on my phone so I cant really help`
`20:31.42`	`boudiccas`	`k, ty`
`20:31.43`	`antiphase`	`Trying to do incremental backups by hand, but not understanding the facility of the man pages are somewhat incongruous`
`20:31.49`	`mozrat`	`probably %H and %M`
`20:50.29`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; I've just emailed you the article re GLLUG's summer trip from the october issue of Linux Format`
`20:51.52`	`mozrat`	`thanks!!`
`20:51.53`	`mozrat`	`boudiccas - is that the Ubuntu issue?`
`20:52.31`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; no, simply mepis and knoppix`
`20:52.52`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; can i pm you please?`
`20:53.02`	`boudiccas`	`or are you still on the phone :)`
`20:53.11`	`mozrat`	`k`
`20:53.16`	`boudiccas`	`ty`
`20:53.26`	`mozrat`	`I haven't got it then`
`21:17.55`	`z00dax`	`mozrat: hey`
`21:18.19`	`z00dax`	`mozrat: anyhint gyou need a hand with .w.r.t. gllug meets - lemme know`
`21:18.25`	`z00dax`	`anything!`
`21:18.34`	`boudiccas`	`mozrat; no, this is the october issue that hits the newstands very shortly`
`21:18.51`	`wethrin`	`October? But it's not even September yet!`
`21:19.19`	`boudiccas`	`yep, october issue of LF`
`21:19.33`	`z00dax`	`wethrin: yeah, they ship it like this now`
`21:19.44`	`z00dax`	`they sell the oct issue through sept. and then the nov issue through oct`
`21:19.59`	`boudiccas`	`i think they work on a 4-week cycle, so you get 13 issues for your subscription per year`
`21:20.08`	`z00dax`	`its funny when you go back a few months and try to make sense of the news and features they mention - they always seem to be out dated`
`21:20.17`	`wethrin`	`Yes, some magazines are sensible and have a Jan->Dec + Christmas issue`
`21:20.43`	`z00dax`	`would the christmas issue not be included in the december one ?`
`21:20.57`	`wethrin`	`No`
`21:21.04`	`wethrin`	`Because that way they have 13 issues`
`21:21.10`	`z00dax`	`humm ...`
`21:21.29`	`z00dax`	`whats the point of that ? more advert revenue ?`
`21:21.52`	`boudiccas`	`presumably`
`21:21.53`	`wethrin`	`Maintain month parity`
`21:22.08`	`wethrin`	`Rather than after a decade they're almost a year out`
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