| 00:11.14 | mikejw | yo! |
| 00:12.00 | Leeds | foo! |
| 00:12.31 | mikejw | lol |
| 00:12.36 | mikejw | dude, it's late :/ |
| 00:13.33 | mikejw | Leeds: will you be present for SFD? |
| 00:13.47 | Leeds | I'm watching House :-) It's not like I've got work in the morning... and unless it's Flake-flavoured, milk shouldn't be crumbly |
| 00:13.57 | Leeds | I intend to be present, but not to present |
| 00:14.04 | mikejw | lol |
| 00:14.06 | mikejw | awseome! |
| 00:14.30 | mikejw | what is House? |
| 00:15.10 | Leeds | Hugh Laurie's award-winning US drama series |
| 00:15.10 | mikejw | I hope it's now a podcast feed :P |
| 00:15.40 | mikejw | coolio :D |
| 00:17.18 | JAV | hey! a new House chapter. Thanks for remembering it :D |
| 00:19.26 | Leeds | JAV: :-) |
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| 06:36.58 | mozrat | Good morning |
| 07:08.26 | phearless | good morning ! |
| 07:21.16 | morsing | 'morning |
| 07:21.29 | mozrat | Hi morsing |
| 07:25.31 | morsing | mozrat: You a CB radio expert? |
| 07:27.34 | popey | moo |
| 07:30.09 | morsing | Baa |
| 07:33.11 | Leeds | popey: morning and congrats |
| 07:33.50 | morsing | popey: Are you happy? |
| 07:38.14 | popey | Just a bit :) |
| 07:47.42 | morsing | :) |
| 07:50.07 | Leeds | hmm... expected price for the greenphone: $700 |
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| 08:20.19 | mozrat | popey: Many congratulations |
| 08:20.26 | mozrat | one of each - well done |
| 08:20.47 | mozrat | I'm sure you did the majority of the hard work.. your wife probably just laid there giving instructions |
| 08:24.09 | popey | hahaha |
| 08:24.30 | popey | it was horrid, I am not going to put her through that again |
| 08:24.32 | popey | :( |
| 08:24.38 | popey | but top reward :) |
| 08:25.45 | mozrat | popey: it is the most traumatic thing, isn't it |
| 08:25.55 | mozrat | Not enjoyable at all until the little bugger pops out |
| 08:26.36 | mozrat | Did you think of a name yet? |
| 08:28.00 | popey | Yeah :) |
| 08:28.04 | popey | Sam Michael Pope |
| 08:28.10 | popey | SMP :) |
| 08:28.40 | mozrat | heh |
| 08:30.08 | popey | --> hospital |
| 08:30.09 | popey | o/ |
| 08:35.45 | LottoKim | Leeds: that was expensive! |
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| 09:08.00 | morsing | Hi Cope |
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| 09:09.30 | Cope | hello chums |
| 09:14.10 | mozrat | Hey Cope! |
| 09:17.37 | Cope | hello mozrat |
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| 09:28.05 | morsing | Leeds! |
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| 09:45.41 | Gunde | morning |
| 09:47.02 | Cope | tag |
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| 10:29.08 | morsing | :) |
| 10:45.23 | morsing | Why? |
| 10:45.27 | eyore | life |
| 10:46.08 | morsing | ping Cope |
| 10:46.16 | Cope | my fscking svn thing, which I have completely rebuilt |
| 10:46.19 | Cope | *STILL* doesn't fsking work |
| 10:46.49 | morsing | Cope: When can I expect the steps for Sunday? I need to raise an RFC by the end of today |
| 10:48.02 | Cope | what steps do you need? you're doing the work; I'm just shutting down the database and starting it up again |
| 10:48.26 | morsing | Cool... |
| 10:48.40 | eyore | i'm sticking with cvs till the svn tools get a bit better |
| 10:48.52 | eyore | though cvs really stucks |
| 10:49.03 | eyore | eclipse hides a lot of the uglys |
| 10:49.55 | eyore | apart from the hilariously bad lack of commit sets, empty directory issues and loss history when you move files. |
| 10:49.59 | eyore | not much you can do about those |
| 11:40.10 | eyore | any idea what would be more efficient to extract urls form a web page |
| 11:40.11 | eyore | regex or an html parser |
| 11:40.18 | eyore | ata aguess |
| 11:40.50 | Leeds | urls or links? |
| 11:41.29 | eyore | urls |
| 11:41.50 | eyore | when i said form i meant "from" |
| 11:42.34 | Leeds | then it's got to be a regex or something similar... what I meant by "urls or links?" was "do you want to match URLs in text, as well as those in tags?" |
| 11:43.01 | Leeds | an HTML parser won't see URLs in text |
| 11:43.29 | eyore | just in tags will do |
| 11:44.05 | eyore | i may just need a more powerful machine then |
| 11:44.07 | Leeds | then beautifulsoup |
| 11:45.33 | Leeds | (which, if you don't know it, is a very nice and simple python html parser designed to deal with tagsoup rather than nice clean doesn't-really-exist HTML) |
| 11:46.13 | eyore | I might try something similar in java |
| 11:53.44 | morsing | How are you Leeds? |
| 11:55.18 | Leeds | not bad - got lots to do, can't be bothered to do it... you? |
| 11:57.53 | Cope | hi Leeds |
| 11:58.26 | Leeds | afternoon Cope |
| 11:58.52 | morsing | Leeds: I'm fine thanks. Work is good |
| 11:59.24 | Leeds | good! where are you now? |
| 11:59.25 | morsing | Leeds: Sorry if I haven't paid enough attention but what do you do at the moment? |
| 11:59.35 | morsing | Leeds: At Attenda (www.attenda.com) |
| 11:59.38 | eyore | 00039 061% neko |
| 11:59.38 | eyore | 00025 039% regex |
| 11:59.40 | Leeds | morsing: nothing - got fired, haven't got anything new yet |
| 11:59.50 | Leeds | eyore: I beg your pardon? |
| 11:59.52 | morsing | Living situation? Location? |
| 11:59.54 | eyore | close but no cigar for neko - an html tidying library. |
| 12:00.08 | eyore | those were run times |
| 12:00.27 | Leeds | morsing: in London right now - as you'd know if you were reading the social list this morning :-) for a couple of weeks, then up in Leeds for a bit, back here for a couple of days, then off back to HK |
| 12:00.41 | Leeds | eyore: can I see your example dataset? |
| 12:01.07 | eyore | It's a random sample of blogs. |
| 12:01.48 | eyore | think i might get some lunch too |
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| 12:03.18 | Cope | :) |
| 12:04.02 | morsing | Is Aylesbury technically in London? |
| 12:04.13 | Cope | no |
| 12:04.19 | morsing | Staines? |
| 12:04.34 | Cope | aylesbury is in buckinghamshire |
| 12:04.52 | Cope | staines is surrey |
| 12:05.07 | Leeds | London meaning in that area of town conveniently criss-crossed by public transport from outlying areas |
| 12:05.22 | Cope | vaugely greater london, but really not london any more |
| 12:05.47 | wethrin | morsing: London approximately stops outside the M25 |
| 12:06.01 | Leeds | there are plenty of areas within the M25 which are not London |
| 12:06.05 | Leeds | e.g. Watford :-) |
| 12:06.10 | wethrin | Hence 'approximately' :) |
| 12:06.15 | morsing | Aha! So Staines is good for Leeds' drinks then! |
| 12:06.15 | wethrin | Watford's on the tube :-P |
| 12:06.28 | Leeds | wethrin: it's not criss-crossed |
| 12:06.39 | Cope | aha |
| 12:07.05 | Cope | what is about lunchtime? |
| 12:07.15 | Cope | watford? |
| 12:07.18 | wethrin | the time |
| 12:07.27 | Cope | the time is about lunchtime |
| 12:07.31 | Cope | i see |
| 12:07.38 | wethrin | Correct. 13:07, specifically, is about lunchtime |
| 12:07.38 | Cope | i have finished my flapjacls |
| 12:07.46 | wethrin | 13:09 shall be lunchtime itself |
| 12:07.52 | Cope | i may make myself more unwell by drinking more espresso |
| 12:08.33 | wethrin | Drink less, then |
| 12:29.03 | morsing | Hmm... No response from Leeds yet. I assume Staines has been accepted then |
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| 12:42.04 | morsing | LeedsHK! |
| 12:45.21 | Cope | how are NI contributions calculated? |
| 12:50.56 | LeedsHK | morsing: very funny... Staines indeed |
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| 13:05.26 | morsing | rhowe: Why are you ignoring me? |
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| 13:11.44 | rhowe | morsing: I am? |
| 13:15.58 | morsing | rhowe: How are you? |
| 13:21.38 | wethrin | foo |
| 13:22.14 | rhowe | morsing: refreshed |
| 13:23.23 | morsing | Nice. |
| 13:24.53 | wethrin | Another mobile phone? |
| 13:27.11 | morsing | rhowe: 3310? |
| 13:28.12 | rhowe | K750i, I think |
| 13:31.08 | morsing | Mmm... SPV C600 |
| 13:31.42 | LeedsHK | uh, that's a windows phone, isn't it? |
| 13:32.58 | rhowe | Ah, no, the K800i |
| 13:33.43 | rhowe | hmm.. my bank card is starting to wear out |
| 13:34.00 | LeedsHK | overuse? :-) |
| 13:35.15 | morsing | LeedsHK: Yes - crappiest phone ever. It's my new company phone. I hate it already |
| 13:36.31 | LeedsHK | morsing: then why the mmm...? |
| 13:44.05 | LeedsHK | bah, lunchtime |
| 14:30.22 | JAV | http://thomas.apestaart.org/log/?p=400 |
| 14:30.56 | phearless | question for linux experts : |
| 14:31.11 | phearless | how can I use an external SMTP server with the command `mail` ? |
| 14:36.07 | wethrin | Configure your local mail server to use a smarthost |
| 14:36.33 | phearless | I use sendmail |
| 14:36.51 | phearless | but the config files are not human-sized |
| 14:37.33 | Cope | m4 is your friend |
| 14:37.56 | phearless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.57 | phearless | c3675 |
| 14:40.16 | phearless | wc -l *|grep total <--- better ? |
| 14:42.14 | phearless | # "Smart" relay host (may be null) |
| 14:42.15 | phearless | DS |
| 14:42.33 | Cope | grep -i "not edit" sendmail.cf |
| 14:42.33 | phearless | in /etc/mail/sendmail.cf |
| 14:43.36 | phearless | shit. |
| 14:44.13 | Cope | i'm assuming this is a redhat/centos/old fedora box? |
| 14:44.46 | wethrin | If you're running sendmail, get the Bat book |
| 14:44.52 | phearless | yes fedora |
| 14:46.09 | phearless | I need a Sendmail PhD |
| 14:46.59 | Cope | sendmail is not hard, for most applications |
| 14:47.06 | Cope | i like sendmail :) |
| 14:49.49 | phearless | you must like leather and whips |
| 14:49.52 | phearless | :) |
| 14:49.54 | Cope | i like those too |
| 14:54.11 | morsing | Mmm... Tracksuit bottoms |
| 14:55.46 | Cope | mmm... bottoms |
| 15:16.47 | morsing | LeedsHK: Well, it seems that Staines is going to be the place... |
| 15:17.28 | Cope | when |
| 15:17.33 | Cope | (RTFSL) |
| 15:17.52 | morsing | ? |
| 15:17.59 | LeedsHK | yeah, right |
| 15:18.12 | morsing | No-one as suggested anything better |
| 15:18.26 | LeedsHK | well, I'm not schlepping out to Staines... |
| 15:18.43 | morsing | Right, well I'm going to Watford now |
| 15:19.14 | LeedsHK | okay |
| 15:25.18 | Cope | for the fuckknowshowmanyth time |
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| 15:53.05 | rhowe | haha |
| 15:53.13 | rhowe | the journeyplanner just gave me 4 options for a route |
| 15:53.20 | rhowe | all were walking only |
| 15:53.26 | rhowe | One of them had "interchanges: 1" |
| 15:53.29 | rhowe | ??! |
| 15:53.43 | wethrin | Maybe you need to change your walking style |
| 15:56.05 | rhowe | aha |
| 15:56.12 | rhowe | The image for the bus hadn't loaded |
| 15:56.27 | wethrin | So they loaded it with walking instead? |
| 15:56.37 | rhowe | nah, it was <walk> <bus> <bus> <walk> |
| 15:56.44 | rhowe | But all I saw was <walk> <walk> |
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| 16:07.45 | cbz | gah |
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| 16:22.50 | TimMagic | guess who's back? |
| 16:23.02 | TimMagic | timmy's back |
| 16:23.53 | wethrin | yay! |
| 16:24.14 | TimMagic | wethrin! |
| 16:24.21 | TimMagic | hows it going? |
| 16:25.02 | wethrin | Nae bad |
| 16:25.03 | wethrin | Yourself? |
| 16:25.10 | TimMagic | splendid thanks |
| 16:25.19 | wethrin | Excellent |
| 16:25.29 | TimMagic | managed to get wireless broadbean from the pub across the road! |
| 16:25.34 | TimMagic | so am pleased |
| 16:25.45 | wethrin | yay! |
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| 16:26.20 | TimMagic | leeds! |
| 16:27.03 | wethrin | I've booked tickets to come to London over the Gllug meeting |
| 16:27.12 | TimMagic | well done |
| 16:27.18 | TimMagic | im pleased |
| 16:27.44 | wethrin | Good! |
| 16:30.57 | boudiccas | TimMagic; days off? :) |
| 16:31.03 | TimMagic | yep |
| 16:31.07 | TimMagic | last of 6 |
| 16:31.21 | boudiccas | then back on nights? |
| 16:44.01 | TimMagic | on to days |
| 16:44.07 | TimMagic | nights next week |
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| 19:31.23 | Pingukaos | evening people |
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| 21:01.47 | wethrin | pie? |
| 21:04.31 | Leeds | it just struck me... I called to give them a gas meter reading this afternoon, and she said I should call back tomorrow to get an updated bill... that's called batch processing, isn't it? |
| 21:07.47 | wethrin | yeah |
| 21:08.51 | Leeds | but gas bills are actually really simple things - the PC the woman was (almost certainly) working on to enter my details could (almost certainly) have calculated the value in a second or two, at least |
| 21:10.08 | wethrin | yes, but....reliability |
| 21:11.24 | Leeds | yes, but - (almost certainly) a PC on every desk - enormous amounts of available computing power, being wasted while they wait for their IBM stuff to wake up and run overnight |
| 21:15.54 | wethrin | True |
| 21:16.48 | Leeds | I'm assuming it's IBM stuff - a fair assumption, I think :-) |
| 21:17.36 | wethrin | It could be Unisys stuff |
| 21:21.31 | Leeds | could be... could even, just about, be Sun or HP |
| 21:21.54 | Leeds | still a 'logical IBM' situation, even if not an 'actual IBM' one... |
| 21:23.07 | cbz | Anyone used AJAX around here? |
| 21:23.28 | Leeds | yup |
| 21:23.34 | Leeds | AJAJ is more fun :-) |
| 21:26.50 | cbz | Okay, i want a really simple library, that will just load a url and react to the status code returned |
| 21:27.08 | cbz | And give me a progress indicator - like a little spinning disc - until the url returns |
| 21:27.27 | Leeds | I've done it manually, and I've done it with mochikit... |
| 21:28.01 | Leeds | I haven't done a spinning disk as such, but I've done 'turn the record red while saving, then green when saved' which is similar, conceptually, but simpler :-) |
| 21:28.26 | cbz | You know the types of disc i mean - they seem to appear everywhere these days |
| 21:29.00 | Leeds | yes... in the olden days, they were -/|\- spinners... |
| 21:32.24 | cbz | Do you know of code that will do it ? |
| 21:32.56 | Leeds | the ajax (or, easier, ajaj) side of things is easy... I don't really do presentation |
| 21:33.06 | cbz | The problem i am finding is that the AJAX libraries are either really large or badly documented (or both), not brilliant to do stuff quickly really |
| 21:33.16 | cbz | AJAX+fancy effects |
| 21:34.27 | Leeds | if you can find something to do the effects, and it's just a simple status-code type thing, I'd do the ajax by hand |
| 21:34.49 | Leeds | but it only takes about 5 lines of code using mochikit, anyway |
| 21:35.43 | Leeds | about the only interface library I've used is the Yahoo one, and I don't think it has a spinner |
| 21:35.53 | cbz | heh, http://ajaxpatterns.org/Progress_Indicator completely true and mostly useless |
| 21:37.26 | Leeds | because that's a pattern, and they're silly |
| 21:40.11 | Leeds | all you really need is something to pop up a (possibly modal) animated gif of the spinner, then make it go away once the ajax is done |
| 21:41.54 | Leeds | the yahoo library also has an xmlhttprequest wrapper, BTW |
| 21:43.30 | cbz | thanks, looking now |
| 21:44.42 | Leeds | you may have guessed, but I'm quite impressed by the yahoo ui library - it's a bit complex in some places, because it's meant for *huge* applications, but it's good, it's well-documented, and it's BSD-licensed :-) |
| 21:47.37 | cbz | time to give peace a chance i think. |
| 21:49.52 | Leeds | peas? |
| 21:50.54 | cbz | heh |
| 21:51.08 | Leeds | mmm... peas |
| 21:51.20 | cbz | Are you back in the UK? |
| 21:53.01 | Leeds | yup |
| 21:53.17 | Leeds | it's approaching 6am in Kong Kong :-) |
| 21:54.59 | cbz | Yea, i did wonder |
| 22:29.30 | JAV | hi! |
| 22:31.30 | cbz | Does the YUI lib have a fade function? |
| 22:47.16 | Leeds | you can 'animate' opacity |
| 23:00.23 | cbz | I just decided to hide/show it |
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