| 04:55.05 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 05:00.50 | morsing | 'morning all |
| 05:45.36 | morsing | Mmm... Pension |
| 05:46.11 | morsing | Anyone here? |
| 05:46.12 | morsing | Leeds? |
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| 06:20.43 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 07:13.22 | mozrat | morsing! |
| 07:15.15 | morsing | mozrat! Can I ask you a pensions question? |
| 07:15.19 | morsing | Or two? |
| 07:16.46 | mozrat | Not really - I have no idea about pensions |
| 07:16.58 | morsing | No-one in this country does... |
| 07:17.04 | mozrat | Ask an old person |
| 07:18.13 | morsing | Why? |
| 07:19.23 | mozrat | because they probably live on a pension? |
| 07:20.25 | morsing | Anyway, if I pay £450/mth into a pension fund from I'm 26 till I'm 65 |
| 07:20.54 | morsing | Does a monthly pension pay of £400 or £5000 sound more reasonable |
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| 07:21.22 | mozrat | depends how much you are paying for the years and years beforehand I guess |
| 07:21.28 | morsing | I'm just thinking the £5000 she said must have been monthly, not yearly |
| 07:21.38 | morsing | So, you think £400 is right? |
| 07:21.52 | morsing | Leeds: Pension? |
| 07:21.55 | mozrat | 400 a month? Thats not enough to pay your council tax + food is it |
| 07:22.00 | morsing | Exactly! |
| 07:22.14 | morsing | So it must be thousands, not hundreds then? |
| 07:23.17 | mozrat | ibot 400 x 12 |
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| 07:24.06 | morsing | mozrat: ?! |
| 07:24.09 | mozrat | morsing: you'd have to be paying an awful lot into a pension to get 5,000 out a month |
| 07:24.20 | mozrat | SlayerXP: really sorry to hear about your nephew :((( |
| 07:24.35 | morsing | mozrat: I'm paying £450/mth |
| 07:24.40 | SlayerXP | mozrat: thanks |
| 07:24.41 | mozrat | SlayerXP: Horrible news |
| 07:24.46 | morsing | SlayerXP: What happened? |
| 07:24.53 | mozrat | SlayerXP: which regiment is he in? |
| 07:25.01 | morsing | If you look at this: |
| 07:25.02 | morsing | http://www.adviceonline.co.uk/PENCALC.html |
| 07:25.15 | SlayerXP | he stepped on a land mine whilst trying to get a squadmate out of danger |
| 07:25.20 | morsing | IS the "Estimated Pension" at the otto |
| 07:25.25 | Leeds | morsing: what about one? |
| 07:25.30 | morsing | bottom a yearly payment? |
| 07:26.00 | morsing | Leeds: Is the "Estimated Pension" at the bottom a yearly payment? |
| 07:26.02 | mozrat | SlayerXP: which lot is he in? |
| 07:26.07 | SlayerXP | mozrat: I don't know exactly |
| 07:26.14 | morsing | http://www.adviceonline.co.uk/PENCALC.html |
| 07:26.19 | morsing | SlayerXP: What happened? |
| 07:26.32 | SlayerXP | morsing: he stepped on a land mine whilst trying to get a squadmate out of danger |
| 07:26.37 | mozrat | http://blog.hinterlands.org/2006/09/06#20060906 |
| 07:26.41 | morsing | SlayerXP: Will he be ok? |
| 07:27.12 | SlayerXP | morsing: he's still alive and the doctor says he's stable |
| 07:27.31 | SlayerXP | he's lost the bottom part of his left leg for sure, they may need to amputate higher. |
| 07:27.34 | Leeds | morsing: how much are you putting in per month? do you already have anything saved? |
| 07:27.49 | mozrat | SlayerXP: how old is he? |
| 07:28.36 | SlayerXP | mozrat: 21 or 22 |
| 07:28.47 | mozrat | :( |
| 07:28.53 | Leeds | ugh |
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| 07:47.44 | morsing | Leeds: I've got at least £20k already and I'm putting in £450/mth |
| 07:50.35 | Leeds | morsing: well, I think the theory is that you can get something like 8% back from the fund each year once you retire, so about 45k p/a sounds about right |
| 07:52.16 | morsing | Cool, not £5000. That's better |
| 07:56.14 | Leeds | how old are you? |
| 08:00.02 | morsing | 31 |
| 08:00.07 | morsing | No wait - 48 :) |
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| 08:03.06 | Leeds | obviously, a lot depends on how your fund is invested and how well it grows - for example, my dad, who is just entering pension-maturity age, has found that he's got a lot less money than he thought he had about 6 years ago... |
| 08:03.58 | morsing | Leeds: I'm ok with that, as long as I get more than £400/mth :) |
| 08:05.00 | Leeds | I wouldn't worry about that |
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| 08:24.55 | SlayerXP | i hear cope was found doing that in public too |
| 08:25.02 | SlayerXP | oops, damn lag |
| 08:26.39 | Blapto|Work | morning |
| 08:34.32 | morsing | Hi Cope |
| 08:34.34 | morsing | mozrat? |
| 08:34.47 | Cope | ello morsing |
| 08:35.17 | morsing | Cope: Company mobile number? |
| 08:38.47 | Cope | on my email sig |
| 08:43.23 | Cope | argh!!!! |
| 08:43.36 | Cope | and *STILL* I get the same sodding error! I give up!! |
| 08:44.26 | SlayerXP | Cope: install debian |
| 08:47.06 | Cope | I did |
| 08:47.14 | Cope | I have been using debian for the last week |
| 08:47.19 | SlayerXP | so pilot error then :) |
| 08:47.23 | Cope | clearly |
| 08:47.36 | SlayerXP | go on then, what's the problem? |
| 08:47.56 | Cope | I just can't see what I'm doing wrong; step by step.... this is what I've done. |
| 08:48.21 | SlayerXP | are you still on this svn issue? |
| 08:48.40 | Cope | yes!! |
| 08:49.18 | SlayerXP | give me remote access, I will fix. |
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| 08:49.45 | SlayerXP | alternatively ping off the channel |
| 08:50.31 | Cock | heh |
| 08:51.07 | SlayerXP | just plug it in to the hot side of the firewall for 10 minutes |
| 08:51.38 | Cope | and l33t haxxors will configure it for me |
| 08:52.19 | Cope | ok... so step by step: |
| 08:52.26 | Cope | machine already had apache 1.3 installed on it |
| 08:52.30 | Cope | so I removed it |
| 08:52.37 | Cope | apt-get --purge remove apache |
| 08:52.54 | SlayerXP | yes |
| 08:53.40 | Cope | then I installed apache2, subversion, libapache2-svn and subversion-tools |
| 08:53.54 | SlayerXP | yes |
| 08:54.15 | Cope | I created an ssl certificate, and added listen 443 to ports.conf |
| 08:54.22 | SlayerXP | skip that for now |
| 08:54.37 | Cope | yeah - i am just telling you what i did |
| 08:54.51 | Cope | so putting ssl on hold |
| 08:55.03 | Cope | i created a place for the repo |
| 08:55.11 | z00dax | Cope: install centos, yum install mod_dav_svn; enjoy. |
| 08:55.19 | SlayerXP | (you did add the svn block to the SSL vhost, right?) |
| 08:55.44 | Cope | and chownd it to www-data, recursively |
| 08:56.05 | Cope | su - www-data and created a repo |
| 08:56.19 | SlayerXP | *nods* |
| 08:56.27 | Cope | created a virtual host |
| 08:56.32 | Cope | in sites-available |
| 08:56.39 | Cope | listening on 443 |
| 08:58.23 | SlayerXP | (paste the vhost container to your favourite pastebin site) |
| 08:58.38 | Cope | k |
| 08:59.04 | cpufreak | Cope: did you ln -s /etc/apache2/sites-available/domain.com /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/domain.com |
| 08:59.27 | Cope | yes |
| 09:02.07 | SlayerXP | ... |
| 09:02.25 | Cope | this is what I had most recently |
| 09:02.25 | Cope | http://pastebin.ca/164093 |
| 09:03.12 | SlayerXP | that will not in any way work |
| 09:03.25 | Cope | okay |
| 09:03.46 | SlayerXP | <Location /svn> |
| 09:04.26 | SlayerXP | also, if you have one repo, use SVNPath not SVNParentPath |
| 09:04.36 | Cope | i will have more than one |
| 09:04.46 | Cope | and that's a typio - it is <location /> |
| 09:04.56 | SlayerXP | yes, that won't work |
| 09:04.56 | Cope | not just <location> |
| 09:05.19 | Cope | i changed it to /svn too |
| 09:05.24 | SlayerXP | okay |
| 09:05.24 | Cope | and svnpath |
| 09:05.26 | Cope | just now |
| 09:05.35 | Cope | and took out all the rest of the crao |
| 09:05.47 | Cope | so now it just says: |
| 09:05.54 | Cope | <location /svn> |
| 09:05.57 | Cope | DAV svn |
| 09:06.17 | Cope | SVNPath /home/nelsonst/svn |
| 09:06.21 | Cope | </location> |
| 09:06.24 | SlayerXP | okay |
| 09:06.31 | SlayerXP | bouncey bouncey |
| 09:06.38 | Cope | same thing - can't open svn filesystem |
| 09:07.14 | SlayerXP | well no |
| 09:07.26 | Cope | same as before: cannot open file /home/nelsonst/svn/format |
| 09:07.30 | SlayerXP | unless your home directory is accessible by the www-data user |
| 09:07.41 | Cope | i made it so |
| 09:07.57 | Cope | but ok, let's make a new one, owned by www-data |
| 09:07.57 | SlayerXP | point it at your real repo |
| 09:08.04 | Cope | ok |
| 09:08.17 | SlayerXP | the one you carefully prepared thaty I agree has been set up correctly |
| 09:09.00 | Cope | i blew that away; but only 2 tics to make a new one - it only had a test file in it |
| 09:09.16 | Cope | mkdir /subversion |
| 09:09.17 | SlayerXP | it doesn't need to have anything in it |
| 09:09.20 | Cope | sure |
| 09:09.31 | SlayerXP | browsing to an empty repo will just show "At revision 0" |
| 09:09.43 | Cope | okj |
| 09:09.53 | Cope | chown www-data:www-data /subversion |
| 09:10.05 | Cope | su - www-data |
| 09:10.30 | Cope | svnadmin create /subverison |
| 09:10.32 | Cope | done |
| 09:10.36 | Cope | ok> |
| 09:11.12 | SlayerXP | don't forget to change your svnpath in the vhost container |
| 09:13.43 | Cope | ok bouncy boncy |
| 09:14.20 | Cope | revison 0 :) |
| 09:15.12 | Cope | hrm |
| 09:15.25 | SlayerXP | amazing, when stuff is set up correctly, it works :) |
| 09:15.36 | Cope | i don't see what I did differently |
| 09:15.53 | SlayerXP | the location and, probably, permission/ownership of the repo |
| 09:16.39 | Cope | right time to fiddle some more |
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| 09:35.06 | cbz | how do i untaint a string in ruby? |
| 09:41.11 | cbz | found it |
| 09:46.10 | mozrat | Can I have a show of hands for who is attending the next GLLUG? |
| 09:46.49 | cbz | when is it ? |
| 09:46.57 | cbz | one day i'll attend one |
| 09:47.12 | Cope | ibot topicsmite cbz |
| 09:47.14 | ibot | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon cbz. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 09:49.15 | mozrat | I've never seen ibot do that before |
| 09:49.44 | Cope | hang around with irc cunts - it's contagious |
| 09:52.46 | mozrat | OK - choice time. We have a guy from Red Hat who is offering to talk |
| 09:52.52 | mozrat | with a choice of subjects |
| 09:52.59 | mozrat | * Red Hat and the Fedora community |
| 09:53.03 | mozrat | * System tools |
| 09:53.11 | mozrat | * Kernel features |
| 10:01.22 | mozrat | anyone? |
| 10:03.20 | Cope | is that the end of the choices |
| 10:03.34 | Cope | and why can't I get my xsl thing to work |
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| 10:04.30 | Leeds | this is for next week? |
| 10:05.58 | mozrat | yes it is and yes it is |
| 10:06.17 | mozrat | we have this guy, Malcolm from Ubunutu, Jim Bailey on Wordpress |
| 10:06.26 | mozrat | Possibly me on encrypted file systems |
| 10:06.34 | mozrat | and now Bryn from Red Hat |
| 10:07.00 | mozrat | Umm - I mentioned Bryn twice |
| 10:07.02 | mozrat | he is "this guy" |
| 10:07.16 | Leeds | I would say kernel features first, system tools second, rh/fedora third |
| 10:07.39 | mozrat | as you are guest of honour.. :-) |
| 10:07.45 | mozrat | Thats what I'll ask for |
| 10:07.50 | Leeds | wouldn't go that far :-) |
| 10:07.57 | mozrat | we have a "fluffy" talk with Malc anyway |
| 10:08.22 | Leeds | right, which is why I put that third |
| 10:08.58 | mozrat | Cool |
| 10:11.35 | Leeds | hmm... spending pounds on my HKD amex gets me a rate of about 15.1... travelex are showing 15.76 to convert hkd to gbp |
| 10:11.53 | mikejw | wow sounds like a good day |
| 10:32.42 | rhowe | ibot change 1 gbp to hkd |
| 10:32.50 | rhowe | Leeds: Any day is good for me |
| 10:33.21 | Leeds | the rate has dropped a bit this week - it was about 14.8 when I made the transaction at Tescos |
| 10:37.09 | SlayerXP | rhowe: dns all happy? |
| 10:39.17 | wethrin | hello |
| 10:44.31 | Cope | hello chums |
| 10:48.21 | mozrat | Hi Cope |
| 10:48.58 | Cope | hello moz |
| 10:51.11 | mozrat | Cope, do you know much about the difference between apache2-worker and apache2-prefork ? |
| 10:51.26 | mozrat | this is for a very small site running some internal reporting tools |
| 10:51.31 | mozrat | not a big public site |
| 10:52.23 | Cope | I do |
| 10:52.40 | Cope | prefork doesn't do threading at all - it's the same as 1.3 |
| 10:53.37 | mozrat | What would you recommendation be? |
| 10:54.15 | Cope | worker is one of the threaded implementations; I would say in your case it will make almost no difference at all, but since you're using apache2 I would go with the threaded architecture, and use worker. |
| 10:56.18 | mozrat | thank you |
| 11:00.18 | rhowe | SlayerXP: Yeah, looks good, thanks |
| 11:00.37 | SlayerXP | rhowe: groovy |
| 11:00.44 | rhowe | SlayerXP: Came in this morning to find a 70M mail queue |
| 11:01.00 | rhowe | SlayerXP: postfix trying to send out on about 30 connections on a bonded ADSLMax |
| 11:01.25 | rhowe | SlayerXP: Not much ended up actually completing, so I'm manually running the queue. Down to 47M now |
| 11:04.54 | rhowe | Outgoing rates: 690.7 kbits/sec |
| 11:56.04 | mozrat | Good afternoon |
| 12:04.57 | morsing | mozrat |
| 12:06.24 | mozrat | Active Directory integration with SLES10 is quite nice |
| 12:06.32 | mozrat | mainly works apart from one little tweak |
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| 12:18.52 | Cope | :) |
| 12:19.47 | mozrat | ooh, fun |
| 12:21.33 | Cope | indeed |
| 12:21.41 | SlayerXP | i've done that it's ace |
| 12:22.21 | Cope | what are the options for providing a user base with windows-based svn client utils? |
| 12:22.30 | Cope | I'm looking at giving everyone tortoisesvn |
| 12:22.42 | Cope | i can't see a browser-based system that allows commits etc |
| 12:22.47 | Cope | thing you need a client |
| 12:23.47 | Cope | right... must go to my class |
| 12:24.06 | mozrat | I've heard tortoise slows the machine down quite a lot when doing standard things in the file browser |
| 12:24.14 | mozrat | but, I haven't tried it personally |
| 12:43.01 | zOOz | hi |
| 12:45.08 | mozrat | hey z00dax |
| 12:45.14 | mozrat | and also zOOz |
| 12:50.46 | zOOz | ;-) |
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| 13:15.14 | morsing | Nylex! |
| 13:16.08 | Nylex | hi |
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| 13:24.04 | mozrat | hello wethrin |
| 13:25.15 | wethrin | In one week's time I'll be on the same train :) |
| 13:25.37 | Nylex | odd |
| 13:26.54 | wethrin | What did I say? |
| 13:28.00 | morsing | < wethrin> In one week's time I'll be on the same train :) |
| 13:28.34 | wethrin | Yes....that's not that odd, is it? |
| 13:29.31 | morsing | Beer |
| 13:31.58 | mikejw | Tea |
| 13:36.51 | morsing | Red Bull |
| 13:37.58 | mikejw | Jack Daniels and Ginger Ale |
| 13:43.01 | morsing | Sif |
| 13:43.22 | Leeds | morsing: in context, I just got a letter from the state pension people telling me that as a current forecast, I can look forward to 85 quid a week from them when I retire |
| 13:43.47 | mikejw | :D |
| 13:47.59 | morsing | Leeds: Huh? That can't be right, it should e more than that |
| 13:48.06 | morsing | I found a link earlier... |
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| 13:49.35 | morsing | http://www.thepensionservice.gov.uk/atoz/atozdetailed/retirement.asp#howmuch |
| 13:49.47 | morsing | Hmm... I thought I saw 100 and a bit somewhere... |
| 13:50.12 | Leeds | 84.25 'Basic State Pension' plus 0.95 'Additional State Pension' |
| 13:52.19 | Leeds | heh, my sister has just emailed around a load a photos of her hanging out with Take That :-) |
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| 14:32.31 | z00dax | mozrat: |
| 14:32.53 | mozrat | z00dax: hello |
| 14:33.04 | mozrat | Happy B'day for last week - I didn't know |
| 14:34.48 | z00dax | mozrat: thanks :) was fun. |
| 14:35.08 | wethrin | z00dax: Yeah...what mozrat said |
| 14:35.14 | z00dax | wethrin: ! |
| 14:35.55 | z00dax | wethrin: i remember that.... when are we making the trip ? |
| 14:36.34 | wethrin | Dunno. It'd have to be iether next week (pre-Gllug), or some time around Christmas |
| 14:37.46 | z00dax | humm... xmas it is then! |
| 14:37.59 | z00dax | next couple of weeks are quite busy at my end |
| 14:38.45 | wethrin | okay |
| 14:38.53 | wethrin | So you won't be at Gllug nesxt week? |
| 14:42.23 | z00dax | i will! |
| 14:42.58 | wethrin | excellent |
| 14:46.26 | morsing | Beer |
| 14:47.00 | morsing | ping Cope |
| 14:47.15 | wethrin | Beer! |
| 14:52.47 | Blapto|Work | Ping beer! |
| 14:55.25 | cbz | hrm |
| 15:10.35 | wethrin | Blapto|Work: You Gllugging on the 16th? |
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| 17:08.29 | Blapto|Work | wethrin, yes |
| 17:08.55 | Blapto|Work | seen Blapto |
| 17:09.34 | Blapto|Work | ibot: seen Blapto |
| 17:09.44 | ibot | blapto is currently on #gllug, last said: 'that is quite a cool gnome bag'. |
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| 19:38.10 | cope | so |
| 19:38.37 | cope | any idea why having added basic auth stuff into my svn vh, it gets completely ignored? |
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| 19:45.08 | cope | I've added http://pastebin.ca/164580 to a <location> for my svn repo... and bounced apache, and cleared private data in firefox, but still not asked for passwd; have set up hash table with htpasswd too.. what might I have missed? |
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| 23:16.10 | Leeds | morning rhowe |