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06:38.39morsing'morning all
06:38.58morsingIt's such a weird feeling when Leeds isn't on at this time of morning
06:59.40murbmorsing: you are suggesting he should go back to hk?
07:01.25morsingYes - just to keep me company on IRC in the mornings
07:02.06mikejw:D
07:02.10murbmorsing: are you coming to luxembourg?
07:02.17mozratGood Morning fellows
07:03.05morsingmozzie!
07:03.12morsingWe missed you
07:03.19mozratawww,
07:06.18mozratThe possibility of official GLLUG T-Shirts if more possible than a few days ago now
07:06.38mozrata "prominent" vendor is interested in sponsoring them (possibly!)
07:13.09morsingnice
07:13.21morsingDoes it have a picture of George on it?
07:13.38mozratNo, I was saving him for the official GLLUG boxer shorts
07:13.40popeymoorning morsing
07:13.45popeyand mozrat  :)
07:13.52mozratMorning Mr Pope!
07:14.37mozratMy new laptop may arrive today! *bounce* *bounce*
07:14.55popeyyay
07:15.13popeyi just ordered a new pc last night
07:15.16popeyit's a monster
07:15.41popeyhttp://www.meshcomputers.com/Default.aspx?PAGE=PRODUCTVIEWPAGE&USG=PRODUCT&ENT=PRODUCT&KEY=124310
07:16.19mozratNice
07:16.24mozratquite a price tag though
07:16.31mozratbut - 20" screen :-)
07:16.44popeyI ordered two 20" screens :)
07:16.47mozratand yeah - that is fully loaded
07:17.12mozratbloody contractors - have you ordered the swimming pool for your second house yet?
07:17.17popeyhahah
07:17.27popeyI am a permie I'll have you know
07:17.32mozratoh? since when?
07:17.44popey(permie for my own company)
07:17.45popey:)
07:17.49mozratah
07:17.59mozratWe are splitting hairs then :-)
07:18.05popey:)
07:18.16popeyI never buy new computers
07:18.22popeythat's the third, ever
07:18.23mozratLet me guess - you earn about £15k a year but WOW - look at the bonus package :-)
07:18.27popeyhaha
07:18.38mozrat:-)
07:19.15mozratSorry you guys can't be in this meeting. sounds..... fun
07:19.18mozratbe back later
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07:36.13morsingSlayerXP!
07:40.07SlayerXPmorning
07:40.53morsingSlayerXP: Tea?
07:41.00SlayerXPplease.
07:43.43morsingHere ya go
07:45.43SlayerXPwell?
07:45.48SlayerXPi see no tea
07:45.49morsing?
07:49.26phearlessgood morning
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08:01.31morsinghuw-l!
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08:08.51huw-lmorning
08:39.26morsingKidney beans
08:56.20huw-lare poisonous until you cook them
09:04.35morsinghuw-l: Are they?!? I've been eating with milk for breakfast
09:10.28z00daxKidney beans with milk ? uncooked kidney beans ?
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09:19.12morsingCope!
09:19.35Copehi
09:21.55z00daxCope: !
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09:27.27rhoweProduct recall on all Steve Irwins sun products as claims that it keeps you safe from harmful rays has been proved to be false.
09:31.05morsingPing rhowe
09:31.52Cockrhowe: I wasn't aware he had any for that platform;
09:37.13rhowepong
09:38.28Cockloop
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10:02.04Leeds"Simpson, Homer Simpson, he's the greatest guy in history.  From the town of Springfield, he's about to hit a chestnut tree"
10:02.04morsingLeeds!
10:02.09morsingYou're up early?
10:02.09Leedsalso, good morning
10:02.18Leedsmy sister woke me up...
10:02.28mozratMorning Leeds
10:02.35mozratpopey: PING!
10:03.07popeypong
10:04.04mozratpopey: I'm going to go ahead and just create some leaflets based on our Gobby file
10:04.10mozratI am mega-short of time now :(
10:04.10popeywell
10:04.22popeywant me to do it?
10:04.27popeyor
10:04.29mozratI have to print them and get them to kbsingh tonight and go to Milan in the morning
10:04.37popeyshould we use marketing from fsf or other organisations?
10:04.40mozratWell - I don't want you to incur any costs....
10:04.41popeyrather than try to duplicate?
10:04.44mozratI can do the printing here
10:05.59mozratIf you want to design the leaflet I am (very) happy for you to do that
10:06.05mozratand I'll print them off
10:06.09mozratI can do 2 sided if you like
10:06.38mozratI have some FSFE leaflets and stickers to give to kbsingh tonight as well
10:06.56popeyhttp://hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?InfoPoints/FlyerMasters those may be useful?
10:07.07popeyhttp://www.streetend.force9.co.uk/misc/infoart/flyers/free_software-flyer-3a.pdf specifically
10:07.55popeycould edit (the source is on that page) to change hants to sfd..
10:08.00popeyor infopoint to sfd
10:08.36mozratI like them, but I also like the bullet pointed FAQ style leaflet we were envisioning on Gobby
10:08.51popeyok
10:08.54popeyup to you really :)
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10:44.22Leedsmozrat: you might know... when's half-term?
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10:45.44eyoreanyone know if the dual core AMD processors are socket compatible with the slightly earlier unicore processors?
10:48.35mozratLeeds NFI
10:48.48mozratI only know when I go home and my wife is more stressed than normal
10:48.57mozratmy kids only started this week at school so I guess at least a month
10:49.17Leedsheh
10:58.29z00daxeyore: 939 stuff is, yes
10:58.57z00daxand most of the 940 as well, but i've heard some strange stories in the wild
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10:59.59eyoreyeah i found it now, i have 939
11:03.19mozratz00dax!
11:03.45z00daxmozrat: !
11:03.46mozratGot such a bunged up head with this 'orrible cold
11:03.52z00daxuh oh
11:04.00z00daxyou need a spicy curry
11:04.27mozratApparently I'll be eating Italian food before anything else :-)
11:04.36mozratNever been to .it - looking forward to it
11:04.39z00daxno dinner today ?
11:04.54z00daxfancy a moderately ok, authentic indian tonite ?
11:05.21mozratz00dax: I'd love to but I need to be playing "dad" tonight
11:05.39mozratI've got time for a quick beer depending what time we meet up
11:05.41z00daxbring them along
11:06.15mozratWhat time are you getting home?
11:06.21z00daxlet me check
11:18.02morsingCheck it!
11:19.08z00daxmozrat: i'll know in 10 min, but i dont think its going to be very late today
11:24.35mozratz00dax: let me know whenever, but my kids tend to start flaking out quite early
11:24.46mozratyears of being sent to bed on time do that to you :-)
11:25.03mozratSo - taking them out tonight may not be an option I'm afraid
11:28.00morsingRobbie Williams sucks
11:29.17z00daxmorsing: was it good for you ?
11:31.09mozratmorsing: URL?
11:31.42morsingz00dax: No - I don't like him
11:31.46morsingmozrat: ?!
11:44.22Kittywho is it that normally organises the post expo piss up ?
11:46.36LeedsKitty: you volunteering?
11:46.40Leedswhen is the expo, anyway?
11:46.46Kitty25th-26th of october
11:46.49KittyI hope
11:46.58Leedshmm... I really should be gone by then
11:47.24popeymozrat: worth sending an announcement about sfd to comp.os.linux.announce? (whilst on the usenet subject) :)
11:50.09morsingKitty!
11:50.14Kittywell spotted
11:50.36morsingCoffee?
11:51.52Kittyyes please
11:51.54Kittyblack
11:51.57Kittyno sugar
11:51.57Kittystrong
11:54.56morsingNice :)  Here you go
11:57.09mozratpopey: I have done once, I will again
11:59.38Leedsmozrat: uk.comp.os.linux?
12:00.41mozratYep - I always post to both of those
12:00.46mozratas per best practices
12:01.20rhoweLeeds: falafel this fine evening?
12:01.23mozratand then I start to read comp.os.linux.advocacy and start to lose productivity
12:01.29popey:)
12:01.42mozrat"You're a dick"
12:01.50mozrat"No, you're a dick"
12:01.57mozratloop until infinity
12:04.42Leedsrhowe: yes indeedy
12:05.03Leedsrhowe: call me when you hit Golders Green and I'll pick you up at Hendon :-)
12:05.09rhoweLeeds: Alrighty :)
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12:07.36popey:)
12:07.40mozrathello Cope
12:07.51Copehello mozrat
12:08.13mozratUp to much?
12:08.19mozratHow is $NEW_JOB
12:08.27Cope$OK
12:08.32mozrat$GOOD
12:09.18Copei'm still fighting svn
12:09.33Copeor rather failing to understand how it works perhaps
12:11.37Copelunch &
12:16.21Leedsrhowe: what sort of time?
12:23.50rhoweLeeds: 5:30ish?
12:25.33Copefg
12:28.31mozratCope!
12:28.31mozratWhats wrong with SVN? Do you know about the free book about SVN?
12:30.09Copees
12:30.10Copeyes
12:30.20Copei just don't understand its behaviour
12:30.26Copei shall try to demonstrate
12:30.34mozratI'm no expert at all, but I use it a fair bit
12:30.42mozratwith the apache stuff as well
12:30.51Copeyes, i have it up and running now
12:31.02Copeso I have a repo at http://svn/svn
12:31.06Copefine
12:31.28Copenow, I had imported some random chuff into it, but then I blew it all away
12:31.31Copeusing svn client
12:31.42Copeso at present if I browse to repo I get:
12:34.18Coperevision 30: /
12:34.21Copeie empty repo
12:34.22Copeok?
12:34.53Copeso... i have 2 test clients; one linux and one windows
12:35.11morsingping Leeds
12:35.26Copeon linux box, let's create a project
12:36.11Copeok, so cd /tmp; mkdir branches, tags, trunk
12:36.20Copenow let's import it into the repo
12:37.26Copesvn import http://svn/svn
12:37.30Copeok - says it has added it
12:37.33Copefine.
12:37.39Copenow let's check out a working copy
12:37.47Copecd ~cope
12:38.17Copesvn co http://svn/svn
12:38.23Coperevison 31 checked out
12:38.29Copelet's do the same on winders
12:39.39Copeok, checked out wokring copy using tortoise svn
12:39.49Copeok, on the linux box
12:40.24Copecd svn/trunk
12:40.26Copevi foo
12:40.26SlayerXPcope: who are you talking ot?
12:40.31mozratme!
12:40.41CopeSlayerXP: mozrat
12:40.58SlayerXPyou know I'm a contributor to the book? :)
12:41.03CopeI do
12:41.04Cope:)
12:41.24Copeok, so now I have a new file on linux box
12:41.31Copeso i should do an update?
12:41.43Copeat revision 31
12:41.47SlayerXPno, you should add, then commit
12:41.55Copeadd?
12:42.08SlayerXPyou only _need_ to do an update in the event of a conflict, or when you really want to update
12:42.22Copeok... so what did my update do? basically nothing? as the repo was unchanged
12:42.37SlayerXPindeed.
12:43.10Coperight... so which, if any files are currently under version control?
12:43.16Copethe ones I imported and checked out?
12:43.22Copebut not new files under them?
12:43.27SlayerXPsvn st -v
12:44.06Copeok... ? next to foo; and .
12:44.18SlayerXPwhich means those are unversioned
12:44.34Copeoh there is nothing beside .
12:44.34SlayerXPi.e. svn doesn't know anything about them
12:44.39Copejust foo
12:45.22Coperight... if i go to top level and do st -v
12:45.29Copei can see which are under version crontrol
12:45.30Copeok
12:45.58SlayerXP"svn st" on its own, will only tell you about oddities
12:46.07SlayerXP-v makes it tell you about everything
12:46.21Coperight, ok so I added foo
12:46.37Copehaving faled to see an "add everything taht isn't already under version control" option
12:47.17Copeso now i commit
12:47.37Copeok... done
12:47.38SlayerXP"svn add *"
12:47.55Copethink i did taht
12:47.58SlayerXPsvn ci -m "Added foo."
12:48.01Copeit didn't seem to act recursively
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12:48.12SlayerXPuse the -r switch to make it recurse
12:48.19Copeso i did svn add trunk/foo
12:48.29Copesvn ci -m "added foo"
12:48.32Copeseemed to work
12:48.37Copeso now let's check out on winders
12:49.11Copeok, that's fine - did svn update of already checked out working copy
12:49.12Copeall ok
12:49.37Copethink it was just "add" i was missing
13:09.47rhoweheh
13:23.54morsinghttp://www.morsing.cc/IMG_4588.JPG
13:25.25boudiccasmorsing; nice picture of a teddy bear, but whats the thing in the middle?
13:26.14morsinghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mogwai
13:26.43morsingIt sings when you hit it
13:28.48boudiccaslol
13:29.45boudiccasmy son when he was very young had a teddy bear for christmas that played carols when you squeezed its paw. By the end of the day we'd lost the batteries for the bear :)
13:30.40SlayerXPshould I get the reg plate "L15 NUX"
13:31.19morsingSlayerXP: Uhmmm no. Move to a sane country and get "Linux"
13:32.12morsingBrits and their bloody number plates
13:38.13wethrinboudiccas: "lost"? :)
13:38.41boudiccaswethrin; lost as in we'd removed them and hidden them :)
13:38.47wethrinMmm
13:38.54mozratboudiccas: how old is your son? I didn't know you had one
13:39.14boudiccasmozrat; 18
13:39.28mozratCool! Good age to be
13:39.37boudiccasI have a daughter who's 23 too
13:41.31mozratThese things we didn't know about boudiccas!
13:42.26boudiccas:) Did you know that I learnt to parachute at Netheravon? :)
13:43.13mozratNo!
13:43.32mozratI've jumped at Netheravon many times though
13:43.37mozratI learnt in Oxfordshire
13:44.04boudiccasFrom memory< i did seven jumps at Netheravon
13:44.32boudiccas*< ,
13:44.33mozratcool - how did that come about?
13:44.41boudiccasah ha :)
13:46.28boudiccashelpful tip - don't land on the old mattress in the sand pit, cos its got springs and you'll bounce! [muggins did it!]
13:46.41Leedsmorsing: pong
13:47.38mozratboudiccas: lol
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13:47.59boudiccasit was quite funny ...... for everyone else
13:48.46wethrinLeeds: Does your xbox have a hard drive in it?
13:49.08Leedsyes, of course
13:49.39wethrinWhat's the easiest way of getting a new Linux install onto it? Boot from CD?
13:49.45Leedsyes, of course
13:50.05Leedsthe point is that it's got a replacement BIOS, which doesn't run games, but will boot Linux from CD or HD
13:50.22wethrinExcellent. Is there a specific distro for it, or will any work?
13:51.03Leedsum, yes and no... you need - or needed, last time I looked - a lightly-patched kernel, and there are one or two xbox-specific-ish drivers
13:51.23chrismilHi guys, long time since I was here. Quick question: anyone got a source of PCI sata card with e-sata (external SATA connection) in the UK (i.e. delivery tomorrow). I like the look of the Addonics AD2SAP but for sale in the UK I've not tracked down
13:51.24wethrinokay
13:51.44Leedsso in short, they're pretty normal distros, but lightly-forked for xbox use
13:52.14wethrinLeeds: Right. That's fine - I just need something light to run mplayer/vlc with
13:52.36Leedswethrin: it's more normal to run something like freevo on it as a frontend - that's how I did it
13:53.03morsingLeeds: Should I run sa-learn on the folder that SA has put spam in?
13:53.04wethrinCool - that allows browsing around the filesystem, then?
13:53.11wethrinoh - is it networkable?
13:54.06Leedsmorsing: yes, if you've checked it for false positives
13:54.27Leedsof course it's networkable - would be pretty useless otherwise
13:54.55Leedswethrin: do me a favour - go read the specs :-)
13:55.32wethrinFine :-P
14:01.59morsingLearned from 18 message(s) (51 message(s) examined).
14:02.19morsingI still can believe it didn't learn anything from my 3776 non-spam messages...
14:19.58phearlessanybody know good sellers of servers in the uk ?
14:20.34z00daxphearless: i dont think there is such a thing
14:20.39phearlessfor example for a 2U, RAID5, 3x250GB HD, 2G RAM, dual power supply
14:20.42z00daxits just personal experience
14:21.20phearlessexcept DELL because it is a bit overpriced
14:21.35z00daxDell is over priced ? thats a first...
14:21.54z00daxwell, try Sun / HP / IBM for branded stuff - xinit.com / rackservers.co.uk for diy kit
14:22.45phearlessI will have a look at this !
14:27.46eyoredoes anyone else heavily use firefox under linux?
14:28.11boudiccaseyore; define 'heavily'?
14:28.47boudiccasi use ff all the time and its left open all the time too, as is opera
14:28.51eyoreenough to frequently get affected by iframes popping out in a new window for no reason and have found a fix
14:29.20boudiccaseyore; nope, no problems except it seems to eat my swap
14:29.25eyoreI find during heavy usage periods frequently it starts popping out the windows
14:29.29eyoreit's really annoying
14:29.48eyoreand if you accidentily close any of those windows the whole of firefox dies
14:30.12boudiccasmaybe you can find an extension or greasemonkey to get round the problem
14:30.59boudiccasmy ff is remarkably persistent and hardly ever dies, maybe once or twice a month if that
14:31.17eyoreit's not like some advert script
14:31.22eyoreit's just firefox going crazy
14:31.52boudiccasit'just works' [TM] for me :)
14:32.29morsingCheck it!
14:35.21SlayerXPz00dax: do you work for xinit?
14:35.35z00daxSlayerXP: not anymore, i left in May
14:36.28mozratpopey: the sfd flyer is done - I'm afraid there is no peer review process for big changes as I have no time
14:36.29SlayerXPz00dax: do they have a sales girl called Jasmin or Yasmin?
14:36.59z00daxshe's the big boss.
14:37.23SlayerXPcool
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14:40.35mozratkeithlard_: what were you smiling about so early this morning?
14:41.06keithlard_ah - just that i got my new ubuntu box up and running :>
14:41.13mozratI see!
14:41.29mozratany estimates on how many leaflets we need for Saturday>
14:41.36mozratis 200 too optimistic?
14:42.12keithlard_don't put the date on there, then you can re-use them next year
14:42.36mozratThere is a dirty big Software Freedom Day 2006 logo on the top :-)
14:43.14keithlard_oh well if there are any left over, cross out 2006 and write in 2007 crudely in felt tip
14:44.30mozrat:D
14:50.21SlayerXPdid you correct all the spelling and grammar mistakes on them?
14:51.21morsingYes I did
14:51.35SlayerXPi found either 8 or 9
14:53.22mozratSlayerXP: Of course not. This is me we are talking about
14:53.40mozratSlayerXP: the ones you are refering to aren't mine!
14:53.47mozratThey are from the Ozzie SFD team
14:54.03mozratI've written my own *beams proudly*
14:55.37morsingWhat are we talking about?
14:56.07mozratmorsing: the SFD leaflets for Saturday
14:56.12mozratmorsing: are you coming?
15:02.59boudiccasNo, its just the way he's standing :))))
15:03.53mozrat*gasp*
15:04.19boudiccaslol
15:06.47morsingmozrat: Didn't know anything was happening
15:07.00morsingboudiccas: Hmm...
15:07.10rhowekeithlard_: Easier to save them for 2008 :)
15:07.22keithlard_good thinking rhowe
15:07.24boudiccasI'm innocent .... not! :)
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15:09.57mozratmorsing: WHAT?
15:10.03mozratit's sabinef72!
15:10.06sabinef72hi all
15:10.08sabinef72yesssssssssssssssssss
15:10.10mozrathey hey hey!
15:10.12sabinef72mozzie
15:10.33mozrathow are you? How was Argentina?
15:10.43keithlard_bonjour sabinef72 tout va bien?
15:10.46sabinef72I am now in buenos aires
15:10.57boudiccasits sabinef72, the ssssssssssssssssss'ng sssssssssssssnake :))))
15:10.57sabinef72keithlard: oui tout va bien merci et toi ?
15:11.03mozratyou are still there?
15:11.20sabinef72yes untill the friday will come UP soon
15:12.04keithlard_pas mal du tout merci! as-tu des photos de argentina pour voir? :D
15:12.16sabinef72because of the stupid airplane compagny I had to stay first in Chilie then I went in Cordoba in the middle of argentina then I went in the north and brazil and now in buenos aires
15:12.39sabinef72keithlard: sur mon appareil photo mais je n ai rien pour transferer il faudra donc patienter encore un peu
15:13.19sabinef72hi boudiccas
15:14.41keithlard_frown, j'attends donc
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15:17.00sabinef72keithlard: YES
15:17.02sabinef72oops
15:17.06sabinef72yes
15:17.08keithlard_shriek
15:17.40keithlard_i'm looking forward to it... argentina is beautiful
15:17.41cbzhi
15:18.06sabinef72yes especially las carataras where there are amazing falls of water
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15:18.58morsingsabinef72!
15:19.39sabinef72hiiiiiii morsing
15:19.56keithlard_ooh!
15:20.01morsing:)
15:20.27sabinef72hu hu
15:20.30morsing:)
15:20.37morsingMmm... Slug
15:22.41cbzslug?
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15:22.50keithlard_j'ai vu cet film 'bonbon el perro' qui se deroule de l'argentine, c'etait genial
15:23.15morsingcbz: I still haven't caught it yet
15:24.08cbzcaught what?
15:24.09mozrathello wildfire
15:24.16cbzYou have a slug wandering around in your room?
15:24.20morsingcbz: The slug. It keeps getting away
15:24.27cbzurm
15:24.29morsingcbz: In my kitchen, yes.
15:26.19cbzAre you in your kitchen now?
15:26.25boudiccasmorsing; put slug pellets down, or if you see it chili powder on its back
15:26.25morsingcbz: No - at work
15:27.11morsingboudiccas: Nice
15:27.11cbzSo why worry about it?
15:27.11morsingcbz: It's a bit disgusting
15:27.11cbzYou'll be able to see where it has been - from the trails.
15:33.45sabinef72I must go now
15:33.55sabinef72kisses all and see you next week
15:34.01cbzbye
15:34.06cbzhas she gone to argentina?
15:34.32sabinef72cbz: I am in buenos aires
15:34.37cbzAh
15:34.44cbzI assumed you were in france
15:34.51sabinef72not yet
15:34.56cbzoh!
15:34.59sabinef72I will be back saturday
15:35.05cbz'kay
15:35.06sabinef72I really must go
15:35.07sabinef72kisses
15:35.08cbzbye
15:35.13cbzschmisses
15:39.48wildfiremozrat, hi
15:40.59mozratwildfire: Are you new to the channel?
15:41.16wildfiremozrat, no - you asked me that a week or so ago
15:41.31wildfirewe did the whole d/s/e thing
15:41.48keithlard_a/s/l?
15:42.07mozratwildfire: Ummm!
15:42.14mozratwildfire: I obviously have a shit memory
15:42.27mozratYears of chronic coffee abuse
15:42.35mozratSorry!
15:42.45wildfirekeithlard, yes but with a geeky bent
15:42.51wildfiredistribution / shell / editor
15:43.02keithlard_aah :D
15:43.10wildfiremozrat, or alcohol more likely; I've the same problem, don't worry
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15:43.35keithlard_that is intresting
15:45.02wethrinboing
15:45.24z00dax.
15:45.33mozratit's actually d/d/e :-)
15:45.46wethrinSurely shell is always ksh? :)
15:45.55z00daxtroll
15:46.06wethrinWell, it should never be (t)csh
15:46.15cbzzsh/ksh
15:46.15z00daxI agree with that
15:46.23z00daxfish ?
15:46.39wethrinfsh?
15:47.12Copeipython
15:47.27cbzor es/rc
15:47.43z00daxhttp://roo.no-ip.org/fish/screenshots.html
15:47.47z00daxbut fish is pretty
15:48.03keithlard_nautilus!
15:48.09Copemc
15:48.16z00daxcat ?
15:48.18z00dax:)
15:48.19wethrinyay for nc clones
15:48.31mozratI edit text files using cat and dd
15:48.35mozratbeat that
15:48.58z00daxi do it remotely with ncat
15:48.58wethrinWouldn't some way of changing the text be useful? :)
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15:53.41wethrinbye mozrat
15:53.43wethrinoh....
15:53.44mozratoh z00dax.. tonight?
15:53.47wethrinWill you on IRC tomorrow?
15:54.03wethrinOr can you email me all the details I'm going to need on Saturday?
15:54.12mozratwethrin: Not sure - I'm flying in the morning and I don't know what the score is in the office there
15:54.14wethrin(including whatever announcements need to be made)
15:54.19wethrinright
15:54.21mozratYes, sorry. I will
15:54.40wethrinthanks :)
15:58.30wethrinNo, no! I have no idea what's so important about it!
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15:59.37keithlard_well everyone likes free stuff! :)
16:01.00wethrinfree pie?
16:01.11rhowerichardc: I haven't set off yet
16:01.47keithlard_free curry!
16:01.53wethrinooh, yay
16:01.53keithlard_free software!
16:01.56keithlard_it's all good!
16:01.58wethrinI shall be making curry tonight
16:02.08wethrinNot quite real curry, as it would be containing beef
16:02.22keithlard_i will be observing through your kitchen window with high-powered optics
16:02.37wethrinextra-long zoom lens?
16:02.43rhowerichardc: Beating JAAS upside the head
16:03.08mozratany one have an idea what the boot options for the FC installer are to get VNC working?
16:03.56keithlard_i bet z00dax knows as we did a remote install via vnc just recently
16:04.28wethrinGrieg Piano Concerto++
16:05.20keithlard_bacon++
16:05.35z00daxI do indeed, mozrat what version of FC ?
16:05.43keithlard_:)
16:05.45wethrinGnah. Naughty xbox-linux FAQ "...as all TVs have a built-in resolution of 640x480"
16:06.16mozratahh - the same as SUSE apart from it's just "vnc" rather than "vnc=1"
16:06.33z00daxhttp://www.karan.org/blog/index.php/2005/06/15/
16:06.39z00daxmozrat: that might help.
16:06.46z00daxi didnt know anaconda was used on SuSe as well
16:09.22mozratz00dax: cheers
16:11.42chrismilbyee
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16:11.50rhowerichardc: OK, I'm on my way
16:12.36richardcrhowe: call me from Golders Green
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16:24.26eyoreIf anyone wants to admire my new site: http://www.viralvideochart.com/  :)
16:30.06eyorefinally got the caching working ok
16:30.42mozrateyore: cool
16:31.46eyorethanks
16:31.49wethrinrichardc: Would it be correct to assume your Xbox has been modded with the 'Cromwell' stuff?
16:32.09eyorei have a machine cranking through those blogs at a fair old rate.
16:32.40eyoreI'm sure there must be something else useful i could do whilst reading 35 blogs/second 24/7 but i have yet to think of it.
16:33.00eyoreor rather, yet to think of something else useful that someone is not already doing
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16:34.58richardcwethrin: yes
16:38.10wethrinexcellent
16:47.29wethrinIt certainly looks like the ideal living room tool for me
17:01.57richardcthe alternative is to slap xmbc on there for an off-the-shelf solution
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18:02.47mozratwoof
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18:21.32mozratz00dax, ping!
18:25.00z00daxmozrat:pong
18:25.55mozratstill OK for tonight, im thinking about 2200ish?
18:26.13mozratI have the leaflets in my bag
18:26.14z00daxworks for me, i'll be home by 8:45'ish
18:26.52mozratcool -what is your postcode?
18:27.09z00daxda1 3dj
18:30.56morsingf
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19:58.06JAVhello
19:58.16mozrat<PROTECTED>
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20:26.33knokapixHello, anyone out there? I am the worst and I am the best. That will keep the ibot lawyers busy for a while. Such a scary wellcoming message you've got in there.
20:33.38Xotlare you prepared to defend your statement of simultaneously being best and worst in court?
20:36.49knokapixIf I'd say yes by default I would be sued as a lier. But I would die first of old age before they decide exactly which one is the lie.
20:39.33knokapixAnyway, are you guys really intending to meet on Saturday in the park? How much distance/walking time from there to the talk/UniWes?
20:41.05XotlI'm wondering how many members of the general public will be interested in software freedom day
20:42.36knokapixThis looks like a very busy channel. Could it be that the lawyers have scared anyone out? And they say about terrorists......
20:43.54Xotlyou only said one thing and you already got sued, so yeah i guess the lawyers scared everyone away
20:44.28knokapixWhat am I being accused of?
20:44.41Xotlsimultaneously lying and telling the truth
20:45.54wethrinIt's about half to 2/3 mile from the park to the Uni, going via Tottenham Court Road (rather than direct)
20:48.19knokapixThank you very much. And sorry, could you get sued because of only using miles instead of km?
20:49.48Xotlyeah you get sued by euroibot
20:52.07wethrinThe join-text is basically saying that this channel is publically logged by ibot, so don't say anything you wouldn't normally do in public
20:54.37Xotlwhat happens if someone is really rude in public normally and is just being themselves in this channel?
20:55.43knokapixSorry, maybe I'm asking something I SHOULD already know, but why is this ibot special? There's always been bots around. I thought this was like being in public. And even easier to kick somebody out without making a mess of blood.
20:56.22wethrinXotl: Nothing, then
20:56.58wethrinknokapix: It's historic reasons due to people complaining about ibot logging
20:58.08Xotli assume ibot is covered by the data protection act?
20:59.37wethrinibot's US based
21:00.23Xotlyeah but he's operating here though right? he must be covered by uk law
21:01.54wethrinNo idea
21:02.04wethrinMost people don't care about it :)
21:02.40Xotlso maybe the welcome message means you have to defend yourself in a US court? maybe you get to defend yourself at Guantanamo Bay?
21:02.53wethrinDepends. Does orange suit you?
21:03.09XotlI hate the colour orange
21:03.42knokapixAre also chats being logged? Well, in a private way is not strange, but everything, everything logged and checked? Maybe it will happen with carnivore like with that guy in "The meaning of life". It will explode of so much eating.
21:04.05XotlI would have to brush up on my illegal combatant / irc participant laws in order to avoid detention
21:04.24knokapixAs for orange prize or lemon prize I'd prefer lemon.
21:06.06Xotlthe NSA have big databases, I doubt they'll run out of room. I think this irc channel is probably one of their monitoring priorities
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21:10.42knokapixAre you saying god is with Microsoft? Well, sorry, silly question.
21:13.37XotlAs anyone at microsoft could explain to you, open source advocates are communinsts, communists want to bring about the downfall of the US, kind of like terrorists. Therefore open source advocates are terrorists.
21:15.25knokapixI thought terrorists where the ones provoking terror, not the ones receiving it. Marked for life for accessing to an IRC channel...
21:16.18Xotlibot is watching you. you cannot turn ibot off.
21:16.58JAVhttp://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/
21:29.35Xotlwhat's the difference between you guys and Lonix?
21:31.56knokapixAs somebody put it, Lonix would be more like a drinking/socializing club.
21:34.03knokapixAnd as somebody put it as well, Lonix and GLLUG were probably the perfect complement.
21:34.35Xotlgllug is more about presentations and stuff?
21:36.34Xotlis there quite a lot of overlap in terms of who turns up to the respective meetings?
21:42.14knokapixIn general there is some overlap but not much, though I haven't been to the last meetings. I suppose that before it used to be more common because the gllug meetings weren't very often.
21:43.45Xotlthanks knokapix.
21:57.01knokapixIt is strange my head is not fed up on storing "strange situations happening around" (sorry guys, I've got copyright of that phrase, whether you like it or not:). The only advantage is that if somebody opens my head the content will be useless. Anyway, has anyone seen Mr Masters latelly.
21:59.45wethrinibot lonix
21:59.52ibotrumour has it, lonix is the other London Linux user group - mainly monthly pub'n'food meetings during the week - http://www.lonix.org.uk
21:59.56wethrinibot gllug
21:59.59ibotmethinks gllug is the Greater London Linux User Group at #gllug or http://gllug.linux.co.uk
22:04.52knokapixibot microsoft
22:04.53ibot"The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuum cleaners."
22:05.14Xotlah, ibot also delivers information. just like big brother.
22:05.30knokapixI hope lawyers are sleeping. It wasn't me though.
22:05.57knokapixibot linux
22:06.00iboti guess linux is a steaming pile of groganpaste
22:06.54Xotlibot works for the Ministry of Information
22:09.51Xotlibot Ministry of Information
22:10.09Xotli guess you can only do one word
22:11.29mikejwibot 1984
22:11.31ibotwell, 1984 is a novel about 1999, written by George Orwell in 1948.
22:11.43mikejw:)
22:11.47Xotl1999?
22:12.41Xotlibot has re-written 1984 according to instructions from an unseen authourity
22:13.10Xotlibot groganpaste
22:14.13Xotlibot uses words it does not understand itself
22:14.49mikejwibot rdf
22:14.51ibotit has been said that rdf is Reality Distortion Field, the device Steve Jobs uses to make apple products look more shiny than they really are
22:16.01Xotlibot has not heard of resource description framework
22:16.09mikejw:P
22:17.45Xotlibot apple
22:17.47ibotapple is a "different" computer company :). They are currently known for the iMac, eMac, PowerMac, XServe, iPod, iBook, and Titanium Powerbook. Their computers use (motorola) PowerPC processors, of the G3 (750) and G4 (74XX) nature. the G4 processor has vector processing known as "altivec". Apple can be found at http://www.apple.com, or apple recently adopted the ...
22:21.22iTronAt last, decent thunderstorm hits what I call The Burnt Oak Weather Hole - called so because all the intersting weather always manages to bypass me.
22:21.51Xotlglobal warming will soon fix that
22:22.03murbbah
22:22.14murbi don't want european galaciers to melt.
22:22.19iTronMe moving to Japan will also fix that.
22:22.31murbatleast not before we have developed ski resorts in antartica!
22:22.50iTronmurb: Antartica will melt too you know.
22:23.12Xotljapan will get so humid it will be like a rainforest
22:23.24iTronThen there'll be a different problem to worry about - that being London becoming one large swimming pool.
22:23.26murbXotl: japan is already quite a dangerious place to ski
22:23.47murbtends to be high avalanch risk most of the time.
22:23.59iTronJapan is a dangerous place anyways - typhoons, earthquakes, volcanoes...
22:24.04murbi know some people like the extra thrill of being crushed under tons of snow ...
22:24.13iTronjapan's a fun place to be.
22:24.24XotliTron: is that why you're moving there, for the exiting weather
22:24.30murbiTron: i don't know if many skiers have been killed by volcanoes, tyhphoons.
22:24.30iTronNah.
22:24.55Xotlmurb: only skiers in japan
22:25.08murbiTron: only if JAL have a special deals to .au/.nz
22:25.16iTronXotl: I'm moving because I despise living in England, plus I don't want my son turning out to be a chav, amongst other extremely good, valid reasons.
22:25.50iTronXotl: My wife's Japanese, btw.
22:26.12XotliTron: is she a keen skier?
22:26.23iTronXotl: Not that I know of.
22:26.49iTronI'm also crap at skiing. When I lived in Scotland i tried skiing a few times. The results were... dangerous.
22:27.39XotliTron: and that was without typhoons to increase the danger
22:27.54murbiTron: well skiing in scotland is a little limited!
22:28.15Xotlyeah there's only the top bit of ben nevis
22:28.37iTronI think Someone Up There doesn't want me to ski anyway.. one time I tried the skis kept steering me towards the spkiey wooden fence at the edge of the run, or towards the snowplough. Another time I suddenly came down with flu on the way to the ski slopes.
22:28.58murbiTron: come to geekski then.
22:29.03iTronNo.
22:29.04murblearn to apreski properly
22:29.18iTronSkiing is something I'm not designed for.
22:29.19murbiTron: it could be worth it just for the apreski
22:29.24XotliTron: don't go skiing in japan then cos you will be one of the ones killed by  a volcano whilst skiiing
22:29.27murbiTron: you could sit on a tray instead
22:29.44Xotlwhats geekski
22:30.09iTronmurb: I went skiing many, many years ago - when global warming didn.t have such an affect on Scotland's weather and we actually had ski slopes to talk about.
22:30.31murbiTron: you could try Rodelbahning
22:30.43iTronBless you. Oh i thought you just sneezed.
22:31.22murbXotl: http://www.hands.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geekski and http://fotos.geekski.org/ for previous ones.
22:31.43murbXotl: an annual ski trip which so far has taken place in and arround hintertux
22:31.48murb(which still has a gletcher)
22:32.06iTronI'd love to try snowboarding though. I used to be very good at skateboarding - there can't be a world of difference between the two ;)
22:32.10Xotlhow can the apres ski be good when there are hardly any women
22:33.05murbiTron: well quite a few snowboarders at geekski as well.
22:33.20murbXotl: hmm?
22:33.32murbXotl: are you blind there are of course lots of women!
22:33.52Xotlon geekski? amazing
22:34.11murbXotl: why?
22:35.14Xotlam i missing something here? almost all geeks are blokes in any environment i've come across
22:35.40murbXotl: have you ever been to a ski resort?
22:36.09Xotlno but i've been to plenty of technical meetings
22:36.18murbwell then.
22:36.33cpufreakI generally find blokes are outnumbered at ski resorts
22:36.37cpufreakat least the  onesI go to
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22:37.53Xotldo you go to geekski?
22:39.36Xotlmurb: are there a lot of female linux engineers where you work, then?
22:40.22Jasperwmmm, good thunderstorm
22:40.28murbJasperw: not here.
22:40.39Jasperwwest london
22:41.09murboberfranken
22:51.09cpufreakXotl: no
22:51.23cpufreakbut no matter who you go skiing with
22:51.28cpufreakthere'll be other people at te resort
22:52.09cpufreakJasperw: yeh, its been a entertaining storm to watch
22:52.20cpufreak(sw3)
23:01.32iTronWell, the spectre of the Burnt Oak Weather Hole has now been well and truly excised- Nice direct hit from the weather.
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