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06:18.54trousersYoho!
06:42.10morsing'morning
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06:57.09morsingCope!
07:00.04Copehi
07:01.35JAVmorning!
07:15.14sabinef72morning
07:15.16sabinef72hola JAV
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07:20.46morsingCope!
07:20.48morsingsabinef72!
07:20.49popeyLeeds: yes, WC2N
07:22.19Copeo
07:41.22mozratMoin
07:42.45popeymozrat!
07:43.11mozratmister Pope!
07:43.29popeyThat's Monsingor to you
07:43.45mozrat:D
07:43.50popey<PROTECTED>
07:43.52popey<PROTECTED>
07:43.55popey<PROTECTED>
07:43.58popeyIt's friday!
07:44.34mozratyay!
07:44.47popeySophies 3rd birthday party tomorrow :S
07:44.51popeyhouse full of kids
07:44.53popeywhat joy :)
07:45.30mozratthat'll be fun :-)
07:45.50phearlessgood morning !
07:45.52phearless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
07:45.59z0dGood day.
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07:54.52morsingSlayerXP!
07:54.59SlayerXPmorning
08:01.20mozratHello!
08:03.40Leedspopey: did you see that I had a Wyse serial terminal on my list of things to dispose of?
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08:06.05sabinef72morsing !
08:16.22popeyLeeds: I didn't, but I'm after a real gen-u-ine VT100
08:17.02Leedsfair enough - it ain't a DEC...
08:17.34popeyyeah, I've seen a few various terminals come up on ebay, but VT100s are like rocking horse poo
08:42.06morsingMmm... V11
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09:00.13mozratAll hail our glorious leader, Cope!
09:01.58SlayerXPI think you have cope confused with someone important :)
09:02.17Copelol
09:03.04SlayerXPthough cope has had the unique privilege of being shown around one of my data centres
09:22.38andrew__you mean Cope is the only person who has EVER been shown round your data centre
09:24.03Cope:)
09:25.37SlayerXPandrew__:  i think we maybe let 5 people in over 2 years
09:26.09SlayerXPLeeds: correct, I'm just a figment of your diseased imagination.
09:26.24SlayerXPand of those 5 people, cope was 1
09:27.02andrew__in that case Cope cannot be described as unique
09:27.14SlayerXPi wonder if cope's visit was before or after the "Dell engineers must NOT enter this room without an escort" sign went up
09:27.42huw-lAlan Cox's laptop exploded: http://zeniv.linux.org.uk/~telsa/boom/tmp-index.html
09:28.21Leedswhat the fuck is up with laptops?
09:29.01Leedsand I don't recall IBM being on the recall list
09:31.00huw-lI believe one blew up at LAX a few days ago
09:31.35Leedsyeah
09:33.44z0dHow old was it?
09:34.30CopeLeeds: if I am doing for a in b: for c in b: print c; Isn't this looking a bit like something that could be done a bit more elegantly?
09:34.58Copeisn't that a but list-comprehension feeling? but sort of in reverse
09:34.59Copeor does that make no sense?
09:35.34Copefwiw i've had almost no sleep, so if I am not making much sense, that'll be why
09:37.45rhoweCope: Do you need to use a, or do you just need to use each element of b as many times as there are elements in a?
09:39.39murbanyone got a spare patch pannel?
09:40.17murbhuw-l: will teach him to run linux
09:41.34Coperhowe: the latter
09:41.54Coperhowe: I have a data structure viz: [(1,2,3), (4,5,6)] etc
09:41.59CopeI want to get rid of the {}
09:42.01Cope[] rather
09:42.11Copeand then iterate over the (1,2,3)'s inside
09:42.45haliin shell?
09:42.52Copepython :)
09:43.57z0dCope: You want to flatten the list?
09:43.58antiphaseHow did you produce this data structure if you don't know how to use it?
09:44.09rhoweCope: Hmm.. sounds like you mean "for inner1 in list: for inner2 in innner1: print inner2
09:44.28Coperhowe: exactly so
09:44.45rhoweCope: Which would be "for a in b: for c in a: print c
09:45.53phearlesscan I use scp with more than one thread ?
09:46.49Copeantiphase: I took a complicated text file and wrote a parser which pulls out file names depending on a database name; which I then ran through another program which took filesystem information from it, and according to a varied alert threshold populated a list with  tuple containing the filename, an alert level, and the filesystem information; whihch I am now putting into a logfile.  How is that relevant to the basis question which states I know
09:47.24Coperhowe: yes, that's what I said at first.
09:47.47Cope<Cope> Leeds: if I am doing for a in b: for c in b: print c; .......
09:47.57rhoweCope: Are you sure?
09:48.05Copeno, because i typod
09:48.13Copebut in the interpreter i did exactly as you said
09:48.41z0dfor x,y,z in li: yield x yield y yield z
09:48.57Copemmm generators
09:48.59z0d(This only works when your tuples have 3 elements.
09:53.14huw-lz0d: the incredible exploding thinkpad had third-party batteries
09:56.27z0dhuw-l: Maybe that explains it.
10:01.01LeedsCope: are you doing just 'print c' or something more serious?
10:01.26Leedsand is the order important?
10:02.58Copemore serious, yes; the list contains tuples of the form (alert_level, filename, value)
10:03.42Copeand I want to take the list and go through it doing a different (but consistent) thing for alert, filename and value.
10:04.29Leedsah, so you don't want to flatten the thing completely?
10:04.46Copeso actually iterating over it may not be helpful, especially as the order might not be correct
10:04.56Leedspaste some example code/data somewhere
10:04.58Leedsright :-)
10:07.03Copeleeds: http://pastebin.ca/179571
10:07.36Copefrom that list I want to produce something like:
10:08.14CopeDATESTAMP | ALERT_NAME | ALERT_LEVEL
10:08.16CopeMESSAGE
10:08.28Copeas a string to be fed into a logfile
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10:08.51Copeeg
10:08.55Leedswhere does the datestamp come from?
10:09.28Copetime.asctime(time.localtime())
10:09.30Copeeg
10:09.31CopeFri Sep 22 11:09:26 2006
10:09.47Leedsokay, so it's 'now' :-)
10:09.51Copeyeah
10:10.21Leedsso surely you just need to iterate over the top-level list, then just pull the data out of the tuple manually?
10:10.41Leedsfor a in alerts:
10:10.43Copewell it's easy enought to bin the list container
10:11.12Copeand produce one tuple at a time for processing
10:11.25Leeds<PROTECTED>
10:11.30Leeds<PROTECTED>
10:11.32Copeoh, but then process the tuple slowly / manually, yeh
10:11.34Leedsor whatever
10:12.12Leedsthe elements in the tuple have defined meanings, so you should really treat them as grouped - but different - variables, rather than a collection of homogenous values
10:12.14ErwinOK, some of the movies at the London Film Festival might be strictly for film connoseurs: ".. the piercing melancholy of Markus' drunken solo dance (reclaiming Robbie Williams' otherwise mawkish 'Angels') is easily on a par with Fassbinder or Denis"
10:12.51LeedsErwin: that's why it's a film festival and not a collection of popular and commercially successful films
10:20.56LeedsCope: ?
10:21.53Copemm?
10:22.01Copeoh sorry
10:22.06Copei missed what you wrote
10:23.20Copeyes, i see
10:26.26ErwinAnd among the art films there's also... Borat.
10:28.05LeedsErwin: high art!
10:32.17ErwinHmm. "A handsome but lethargic university drop- has to contend with conflicting parental an libidinal demands in a remote Uruguayan coastal village populated mainly by dogs."
10:33.42Copeleeds: that works beautifully
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10:37.19morsingresudaed!
10:37.27resudaedmorning
10:37.30CopeTom!
10:37.32Copewoo
10:38.25resudaedI need some advice, my new accomodation has broadband, but it's not what it was when I moved in
10:39.18murbresudaed: someone cut the telephonecable?
10:39.41resudaedit's now wireless only, http is ssl between me and the hidden proxy, but there is a proxy, and I have to log in to use the bloody internet
10:40.12ErwinWell, it should be easy to automate the logging in via your favourite scripting language. or just curl/wget.
10:41.05resudaedI just don't like all my internet activity being monitered/logged, attached to my personal name and my address
10:41.36jcml_What about a script to do a once-a-<duration> login, then openvpn to a box you've got ssh to on t'internet?
10:41.57ErwinWell, as long as you are using wireless through a box that you don't trust, you can be traced, regardless of the username/password required.
10:42.48resudaednot that I intend on doing anything that I potentially wouldn't want traced, it's just that I don't like the big brother thing
10:43.31resudaedoh, and at present I don't have  a box on t'internet
10:43.31resudaed;
10:43.36resudaed;
10:44.15ErwinWell, there are systems like TOR that let you do things anonymous, at a high performance price.
10:44.21murbresudaed: so tunnel everythingto somewhere.
10:45.07resudaedI'd forgotten about tor, might give that a try
10:45.18resudaedmurb, I don't have anything to tunnel to atm
10:45.44antiphaseDon't want people knowing that you download child pr0n?
10:45.48resudaednot at more than 128kb
10:47.15resudaedantiphase, no, just don't like the whole big brother thing, and if I were to download child porn, I'd rather less people potentially knew about it
10:48.45antiphaseI didn't realise ISPs published proxy logs with people's names and addresses
10:51.41resudaedit's not my isp, it's a box maintained by my landlord and his 'IT' guy, just don't like it much
10:52.08jcml_antiphase: hang on - aren't you meant to be somewhere?
10:52.24antiphaseI'm meant to be at a wedding this afternoon
10:52.31jcml_resudaed: yeah - I'd be wary of that.  
10:52.50jcml_thought I was missing something ... :)
10:52.52antiphaseresudaed: Just break it and plug your shit in directly to the connection
10:54.40murbresudaed: can't you install your own phoneline?
10:58.23resudaedantiphase, our internet comes from an ap on the second floor that is in line of site of a directional antenna at the office
10:58.39resudaedall I have is a dumb box
10:58.59resudaedmurb, can't afford it atm
11:02.59resudaedhaving said that, it's peaking at 30kBps down at the minute, maybe I'll save up for a phone line
11:03.26resudaedtaken nearlly 3 mins to do apt update
11:05.06murbresudaed: how many people are you sharing the line with?
11:05.27resudaedmurb, anywhere between 20 and say 500
11:05.45murboh is it univeristy halls or something like that?
11:06.31resudaedit's a wireless network over the inner south/southwest part of Sheffield, covering most of his properties I would assume
11:06.37resudaedno, private rented house
11:07.14resudaedbut I have no idea what the overall connection is like
11:07.32resudaed(I was a little drunk when he came around to fit the ap)
11:07.45antiphaseGet some other people in Sheffield to DoS it, then you can claim breach of contract
11:08.56resudaedantiphase, he's covered himself in some small print somewhere about the internet connection and level of service not being somethign or other
11:09.14resudaedFetched 4101kB in 6m27s (10.6kB/s)
11:09.46resudaedit's like having a modem again, just marginally faster
11:14.21murbmaybe they installed isdn?
11:15.47resudaedmurb, wouldn't surprise me, is hardly a peak student internet using hour (outside of term time still)
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11:17.44resudaedI can't take much more of this speed, I am going down there at some point to moan about it
11:18.51resudaedit's slow, laggy and not at all suitable for those who like to download things on the fly
11:19.17resudaedI'm going to have to run overnight batches of all the things I want to download
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11:24.23cbzhi
11:24.31resudaedmorning
11:24.55cbzNot now.
11:25.07resudaedcbz, it's all relative
11:26.26jcml_resudaed: have you explored using multiple wireless clients? >:-)
11:28.21resudaedjcml_, how do you mean
11:37.46resudaedah well, I have tor working, which will make me feel a little happier for now
11:38.19morsingcbz!
11:39.28cbzmorsing
11:40.40resudaedping
11:40.50wethrinhello
11:41.07wethrinWould anyone like to come to Durham to get an E450?
11:41.10resudaedyay, my irc os torified
11:47.24antiphasewethrin: Surely there must be some doors the need propping open in Durham? ;)
11:48.52haliwethrin: decent spec?
11:49.13halias in 4x480, 4gb and 12 36gb+ drives :)
11:53.24morsingwethrin: Are you serious?
12:03.25morsingCope!
12:03.39resudaedhardly notice the perfomance loss using tor, the performance is so bad anyway
12:38.22resudaedlaters all
12:41.58zOOzhi
13:22.05wethrinmorsing: I'm serious
13:22.12wethrinhali: 4xCPU, some memory
13:22.14wethrinA gig or two
13:29.51morsingwethrin: For free?
13:30.00z00daxE450!
13:30.21z00daxthats one way to stay warm during the winters
13:30.31wethrinmorsing: Yes
13:30.47wethrinOne should still be stocked, although I'd have to give you a disk for it
13:30.57wethrinThe other we've stripped its memory and CPUs.
13:31.35z00daxnaked E450!
13:31.46wethrinIts boards are exposed!
13:32.00z00dax*giggle* boards and bits hanging out...
13:32.05wethrinif you take the stocked one, you could nab the power supply out of the stripped one
13:32.15z00daxadultry!
13:32.16wethrinIt used to have three, now it has two :)
13:32.42wethrinmorsing / z00dax - are you seriously interested?
13:32.57z00daxnot me no, I've just got a working Ultra10 from Leeds
13:33.24z00daxand my interest in Sparc is purely Bootloader development - i dont think I need something that consumes a KWatt/hr to do so :)
13:34.14z00daxif noone here is interested, I can ask around here at work + friends, I am sure we can find a working E450 a home.
13:34.58wethrinUm. kWatt is already a measure of power
13:35.08wethrinEnergy, which is consumable, is energy * time
13:35.21z00daxerr true, i meant it more in the sense of Electric unit/hr
13:35.33wethrinkWhr/hr ?
13:35.35morsingwethrin: YES!
13:35.36wethrin= kW :)
13:36.03z00daxmy stock bitstream fonts look shite on this dell display
13:36.22wethrinAnyway, it draws 1660W
13:36.35z00dax*roar*
13:36.46wethrinmorsing: They want to get rid of them soon, so would have to organise it about nowish. If you're honestly serious
13:37.03morsingwethrin: Now-ish being?
13:37.18wethrinNext couple of weeks
13:37.49wethrinmorsing: They do need two people to lift
13:42.43wethrinmorsing: A housemate with a car is coming next week; I could pick up the machine and keep it for a bit. But it's large enough to take up quite a lot of space in a small house
14:12.52morsingOuch
14:13.07morsingGood news: TwoSheds' not upset :)
14:14.10morsingwethrin: Well, I'll have a think. Maybe next weekend but I have to check
14:15.47morsingwethrin: Would that be ok?
14:15.58morsingWill it fit in my Volvo?
14:17.08z00daxit should fit in the Comaro
14:17.21z00daxno wait, you dont have a comaro do you ?
14:22.18keithlarddoes anyone want a wordtracker t shirt? :D
14:22.25keithlardpreferably a small one
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14:28.34morsingErwin!
14:33.07wethrinmorsing: It'll fit in your Volvo
14:33.13wethrinWe had it in the back of a Ford Mondeo
14:34.01keithlardcan one of you guys try www.wordtracker.com please
14:34.31z0dkeithlard: Connecting...
14:37.45z0dOh, great! The gllug mailing list is available on gmane.
14:37.46wethrinWaiting....
14:37.51wethringmane?
14:38.03z0dhttp://www.gmane.org/
14:38.14z0d"Mail To News And Back Again"
14:38.35z0dThey provide a web and NNTP-based interface for loads of mailing lists.
14:39.27wethrinahh, cool
14:40.40wethrinkeithlard: Connection timed out
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14:43.54keithlardfrown
14:44.46wethrinHave you been naughty to it?
14:45.34Leedswethrin: it arrived...
14:47.30wethrinHurrah!
14:51.13Leedshttp://tinyurl.com/ld45c
15:18.05morsinghttp://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f121/lankytim/ainsley.jpg
15:34.18keithlardlooks like a major outage at verio
15:34.30z0dhttp://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?menuID=5&subID=134
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16:18.49TimMagichey every one
16:18.57halihi
16:19.01TimMagics/every one/everyone
16:19.11TimMagicyou ok?
16:20.11wethrinhi
16:20.12morsingTimMagic!
16:22.39TimMagicmorsing, wethrin: nice to see you
16:22.49TimMagicvirtually of course
16:23.11mozratTimMagic: long time!
16:23.35morsingmozzie!
16:24.14mozrathey morsing
16:28.58Leedsfoo
16:29.26mozratHello Leeds, how is Leeds?
16:32.51Leedswet... very wet
16:34.05Leedsoh, and it's good to find that the firewire works on this laptop as well :-)
16:36.57mozrat:-)
16:37.24Leedswatched it this morning...
16:40.45mozratV. funny. I saw most of it on TV last night
16:40.52mozratthe ending was brilliant
16:40.57Leedsyeah
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16:52.31keithlardno spoilers :-|
16:53.26TimMagicif anyone gets the chance to see reno 911 do, its great
16:58.14keithlardi saw that 'entourage' last night, that was reely good
16:58.41sabinef72hello
17:02.58halifunny sitcom about a suburban house wife who deals weed
17:03.46sabinef72hi hali
17:14.52wethrinGah. British train prices MAKE NO FUCKING SENSE
17:15.17wethrinIt's cheaper for me to get a ticket from Durham -> York and York -> Manchester, than Durham -> Manchester directly
17:16.30wethrinAnd I'm naughty and booking a ticket after 6pm, that should've been booked before 6pm
17:16.41TimMagictut tut
17:16.49wethrinIt's a fair cop
17:16.59TimMagicno - you are gonna go to hell now
17:17.03TimMagic!
17:17.07wethrinNo, Manchester
17:17.09wethrinSame place, I suppose
17:17.15TimMagictrue...
17:17.34wethrinBut discounting the extra-cheap student-only fare, it's still cheaper to make the break at York
17:17.57TimMagicok
17:18.31wethrinWoo
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18:18.43mozratMoo
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18:19.04mozrathello goibhniu
18:19.22goibhniuhey mozrat
18:19.38mozrathappy?
18:20.04goibhniurockin!
18:21.51mozratoh nice
18:21.51goibhniuyou're using a laptop on a bus?
18:22.08mozratno, on my PDA
18:22.25goibhniuahh .. 3G?
18:22.26mozratwell - Blackberry thing
18:22.34mozratGPRS
18:22.50mozrati ssh into a freeshell server and run screen/irssi
18:22.51goibhniuahh .. cool, an irc client for a blackberry?
18:22.56goibhniuoh!
18:22.59goibhniueven better
18:23.07mozratno, a ssh client :-)
18:23.24mozrati think there are IRC clients though - but id be bouncing a lot more
18:23.45mozratah! here I am. bbl
18:23.52goibhniuhave fun!
19:06.30rhoweibot change 150 gbp to hkd
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20:30.34sabinef72quiet....
20:33.42JAVhello sabinef72 :D
20:33.56sabinef72Hola JAV : Como esta ?
20:34.36JAVI just came home, quite tired after a long work day
20:34.48sabinef72oh I see
20:34.53JAVbut...
20:34.54JAV:D
20:35.05sabinef72but ????
20:35.13sabinef72it's the week end now !
20:35.25JAVI have a rendez-vous at 23:30 O:)
20:35.40sabinef72hu hu a rendez-vous !
20:35.42sabinef72that's nice
20:35.51JAVheh
20:36.29sabinef72so you just have enough time to make you "cute"
20:36.32JAVI'll have dinner and shower and I'll be fine again
20:36.33sabinef72hurry up
20:36.54JAVI'm always cute! :D
20:37.12sabinef72how can I know ?
20:37.28JAVbut you are right, the 'external' side of me needs some tweaking
20:38.12sabinef72loquito
20:41.00JAVI must have control with alcohol, I have an -almost closed- job interview in madrid on wednesday (they'll say less money, I'll say more money) and I don't want to show them a broken body :P
20:41.22sabinef72is this word is also using in Spain ?
20:41.44JAV"loquito"? yes
20:42.03sabinef72my friend who is from argentina says always about me : loquita total
20:42.35JAVit means... little crazy male (or female ended with -a)
20:42.54sabinef72I know but he always says : it's friendly in my case
20:43.06JAVyes, totally friendly
20:43.31JAVyou make it soft with -ito
20:43.32sabinef72:-)
20:43.48sabinef72yes it was a joke when I was  in Argentina
20:46.53JAVwell, I leave, see you
20:47.33sabinef72have a nice dinner
20:47.39sabinef72have a nice rendez-vous !
20:47.48JAVthere's a big party tonight in the next town (laredo)
20:47.58JAVit's crowded
20:49.59JAVhttp://www.laredo.es/turismo/fiestas_carlosv.php  --> really bad web site
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20:56.22keithlardooh, good word
20:56.53sabinef72keithlard: lol
20:57.16sabinef72why ?
21:02.25keithlarddon't know reely.... i'm just a zany, crazy guy! :D
21:02.46sabinef72oh my god
21:03.14sabinef72but we will become friend because I'm already a "loquita total"
21:07.00keithlard:D
21:07.15keithlardmucho me gustan las loquitas :>
21:07.29sabinef72bueno
21:10.09z0dDoes the latest vmware build work with 2.6.18?
21:14.14keithlardit's no good asking us... we're mad
21:15.38wethrinI'm not mad!
21:15.39wethrinAm I?
21:56.31Jasperwanyone watching newsnight?
21:57.18z0d-
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23:19.40z00daxwhy are people hijacking my z0{tab} nick ?
23:19.41z00dax:(

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