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| 07:52.01 | morsing | 'morning |
| 08:04.14 | Leeds | mornin; |
| 08:08.40 | andrew__ | hi there |
| 08:27.04 | morsing | Leeds, andrew__! |
| 08:51.31 | trousers | Hehehe, example.com actually exists >.< |
| 09:22.56 | morsing | Check it! |
| 09:23.28 | morsing | http://www.morsing.cc/photos/Ultimate_BMW_23092006/imm002.jpg |
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| 10:25.05 | JAV | morning |
| 10:26.29 | sabinef72 | morning |
| 11:23.37 | mozrat | Good Morsing |
| 11:23.50 | sabinef72 | mozrat !!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:24.03 | mozrat | Hi Sabby! |
| 11:24.05 | sabinef72 | I'm working on my website and I'm still waiting youuuuuuuu |
| 11:24.12 | mozrat | You shoudl email me! |
| 11:24.41 | sabinef72 | I already did it !!!!! |
| 11:24.51 | mozrat | Which address? |
| 11:24.52 | sabinef72 | I'm still waiting your answer |
| 11:24.57 | sabinef72 | my email was in July ! |
| 11:25.13 | mozrat | Ah, well. *YOU* decided to go on holiday |
| 11:25.25 | mozrat | whats the URL again? |
| 11:25.55 | sabinef72 | me ? |
| 11:26.10 | mozrat | sabine-et-benoit.free.fr? |
| 11:26.18 | sabinef72 | I wasn't on holidays... I was just looking the world |
| 11:26.26 | sabinef72 | nooooo |
| 11:26.33 | sabinef72 | sabinef72.sabine-et-benoit.com |
| 11:26.34 | mozrat | heh - call it what you will :-) |
| 11:26.42 | z0d | Good day. |
| 11:26.48 | mozrat | hi z0d |
| 11:27.01 | z0d | Hello mozrat. |
| 11:28.24 | sabinef72 | mozrat: my email said everything I need |
| 11:29.55 | mozrat | sabinef72: Je suis tres desole |
| 11:30.01 | mozrat | Please resend it! |
| 11:30.09 | sabinef72 | grrrrrrrrrr |
| 11:30.15 | mozrat | I only have webmail here from home and I cannot search |
| 11:30.35 | sabinef72 | which address ? always the same ? |
| 11:30.41 | mozrat | C'mon do it do it! |
| 11:30.45 | mozrat | simon.morris@cmtww.com |
| 11:31.45 | mozrat | sabinef72: send it - I'll read it there |
| 11:32.41 | sabinef72 | ok I did it - 4 emails sent again |
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| 15:31.57 | mozrat | Good Afternoon fellows |
| 15:32.51 | wethrin | Whatho |
| 15:33.29 | mozrat | Hello Mr Kolb |
| 15:33.41 | mozrat | I appear to be in love with my new tablet PC |
| 15:33.51 | mozrat | Linxu work great with it |
| 15:33.56 | mozrat | and also Linux |
| 15:34.35 | wethrin | Yay! |
| 15:34.40 | wethrin | You and your geektosy |
| 15:34.42 | wethrin | *toys |
| 15:35.00 | wethrin | I'm happy with Leeds'^Wmy Xbox |
| 15:35.14 | mozrat | How is that working? |
| 15:35.25 | mozrat | Did you go for Freevo or Myth in the end? |
| 15:39.01 | wethrin | Freevo |
| 15:39.08 | wethrin | It does What I Want(TM) |
| 15:39.16 | wethrin | Myth is more suited to being a PVR, which isn't what I want |
| 15:40.27 | boudiccas | Did you know? That gllug has its email archived by gmane? :) |
| 15:40.45 | wethrin | Someone (might have been you) mentioned it |
| 15:41.18 | boudiccas | doubtful it being me. i only discovered it yesterday |
| 15:41.26 | mozrat | boudiccas: it was mentioned somewhere.. Googling with the "site:lists.gllug.org.uk kimble" is also helpful |
| 15:41.52 | wethrin | sigh. Washing machine's been going for almost 4 hours |
| 15:51.47 | boudiccas | mozrat; site:lists.gllug.org.uk kimble is embarrassing! |
| 15:55.22 | mozrat | boudiccas: why? |
| 15:55.58 | mozrat | 8 days late... sorry peeps! |
| 16:00.04 | boudiccas | Is it possible to force a drive to unmount please? I've tried 'umount /dev/hdb1' but it just keeps coming back saying that the drive is busy |
| 16:03.56 | wethrin | s'ok, mozzie |
| 16:04.06 | Leeds | wethrin: so it's working then? |
| 16:04.26 | wethrin | Leeds: Yes, quite well. The controller appears to stick a bit, though |
| 16:04.36 | wethrin | I presume it just needs a bit of dust-removal inside? |
| 16:05.12 | mozrat | boudiccas: use the lsof command to see which process is keeping the drive busy |
| 16:05.42 | mozrat | probably you have a shell open or a GUI file manager open ? |
| 16:06.48 | wethrin | mozrat: That's a slightly scary picture of me |
| 16:07.51 | mozrat | wethrin: it is. I haven't had any other as of yet |
| 16:08.14 | wethrin | :) |
| 16:17.06 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.49 | wethrin | You're not just out of disk space? |
| 16:21.21 | boudiccas | nope |
| 16:22.56 | mozrat | boudiccas: what kind of file is it? |
| 16:25.25 | boudiccas | an avi |
| 16:25.39 | mozrat | Are you able to watch it all the way through normally? |
| 16:25.44 | boudiccas | yes |
| 16:26.04 | boudiccas | just can't take it off this disc to burn it as a backup |
| 16:26.10 | mozrat | Hmm |
| 16:27.01 | mozrat | Do you suspect the problem is with the source file or the destination volume? |
| 16:27.18 | boudiccas | source volume |
| 16:28.05 | mozrat | Does the system log tell you anything when you try and copy the file? |
| 16:28.18 | boudiccas | wait two |
| 16:31.08 | boudiccas | nothing jumps out at me as being out of the ordinary |
| 16:31.30 | mozrat | Hmm, not too sure then. That is strange |
| 16:31.49 | mozrat | cp doesn't do anything very verbose when you call it verbosely unfortunately |
| 16:31.49 | boudiccas | mozrat; you can't have used radios too much then, or else you've forgotten :) |
| 16:32.03 | mozrat | are you able to tar it? |
| 16:32.44 | boudiccas | dunno, trying atm |
| 16:32.53 | mozrat | bbl - sorry boudiccas |
| 16:33.01 | boudiccas | np, enjoy |
| 16:38.38 | boudiccas | mozrat; tarring helped in shifting the file over. thanks :) |
| 16:40.51 | mozrat | boudiccas: ah good |
| 16:42.57 | sabinef72 | mozrat: ! |
| 16:43.20 | mozrat | sabinef72! I never received 2 of the emails you sent me a few months ago |
| 16:43.27 | mozrat | I would have rememberd the claim of sexual harrasement" |
| 16:43.56 | sabinef72 | lol |
| 16:47.33 | sabinef72 | mozrat: are you sure you want to continue again ? |
| 16:56.05 | mozrat | sabinef72: yes, of course |
| 16:56.08 | mozrat | hey z0d |
| 16:56.11 | mozrat | and z00dax |
| 16:56.17 | z00dax | hey mozrat |
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| 16:56.29 | mozrat | 'lo iTron |
| 16:56.35 | sabinef72 | mozrat: I was talking about translation... not sexual harrasement.... |
| 16:56.43 | trousers | Errr... How do I find out what module I should load to do something? |
| 16:58.17 | mozrat | sabinef72: oh. I can do that as well |
| 16:58.32 | mozrat | trousers: hmm? What kind of "something" are you trying to do? |
| 16:58.54 | trousers | Get sound :) |
| 16:59.11 | trousers | lspci gives me: 00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 20) |
| 16:59.28 | z00dax | trousers: what kernel are you using ? |
| 16:59.33 | Leeds | trousers: ac97? |
| 16:59.53 | z00dax | heya Leeds |
| 17:00.00 | trousers | 2.6.17 |
| 17:00.15 | trousers | Leeds: And I get that module how? |
| 17:01.17 | z00dax | trousers: look at lspci -n, that should give you an id for the device, then look at the kernel's pcimap at /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.pcimap |
| 17:01.30 | z00dax | connect the dots, and you should get a good idea on what it might work with |
| 17:02.56 | z00dax | trousers: look at /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 17:02.58 | trousers | z00dax: Err, how does anything in modules.pcimap make sense? |
| 17:03.08 | z00dax | should tell you what became of of the module at kernel build time |
| 17:03.33 | z00dax | well, the pcimap has the pci id's for various devices - and the module that can handle it |
| 17:04.12 | sabinef72 | hi zOOz |
| 17:04.15 | sabinef72 | grrrrrr |
| 17:04.19 | sabinef72 | hi z00dax |
| 17:04.29 | z00dax | greee |
| 17:04.31 | z00dax | hi sabinef72 |
| 17:04.35 | sabinef72 | why do you have all almost the same nick ? |
| 17:05.23 | z00dax | I've had mine since end of 1995 |
| 17:05.31 | z00dax | the others are all imposters! |
| 17:05.42 | sabinef72 | we must do something ! |
| 17:06.02 | trousers | Okay, I found some stuff, modprobed something and it didn't give me an error |
| 17:06.05 | z00dax | as GWBush, my hero, would say - nuke em all |
| 17:08.18 | trousers | 3c59x sound (pun not intended) familiar? |
| 17:08.39 | z00dax | what made you think that this module was what you needed ? |
| 17:09.19 | trousers | Because I grepped anything+everything from lspci -n in modules.pcimap |
| 17:10.31 | Leeds | trousers: via82xx |
| 17:11.24 | trousers | Module not found, but there is some stuff on my HDD relating to it |
| 17:12.24 | trousers | Do I need to compile the module or something? |
| 17:12.54 | trousers | Gentoo |
| 17:13.21 | z00dax | why not move to a real proper distro ? |
| 17:13.38 | trousers | Such as? |
| 17:13.42 | z00dax | do you have the kernel config's ? look for CONFIG_SND_VIA82XX in there.. is that a 'y' or 'm' ? |
| 17:14.05 | Leeds | I compile all that sort of thing myself |
| 17:14.05 | z00dax | I think pretty much any distro would detect and rightly setup modprobe.conf for that sound card. |
| 17:14.11 | trousers | Kernel configs, where would they be? |
| 17:14.17 | Leeds | and that's not the full name of the module - it's the interesting bit |
| 17:14.49 | trousers | Leeds: What is your job? |
| 17:14.57 | Leeds | trousers: right now I don't have one |
| 17:15.02 | z00dax | :) |
| 17:15.08 | trousers | Leeds: was? |
| 17:16.11 | Leeds | making bras |
| 17:16.19 | trousers | For whom? |
| 17:16.30 | Leeds | women? |
| 17:16.34 | trousers | Ahh |
| 17:16.46 | trousers | I have a "via82xx.c" :S |
| 17:17.05 | Leeds | it'll be called something like snd-via82xx-something |
| 17:17.10 | trousers | In where?! |
| 17:17.17 | Leeds | grab the alsa source tarball, compile it, install it, load the module |
| 17:18.04 | trousers | emerging alsa should be sufficient? |
| 17:18.09 | trousers | Then load module? |
| 17:18.11 | Leeds | no idea - I don't do distro support |
| 17:18.22 | Leeds | :-) |
| 17:18.24 | trousers | Okay |
| 17:18.37 | trousers | But you did do breast support! |
| 17:18.41 | trousers | Heehee |
| 17:18.52 | Leeds | ha bloody ha |
| 17:21.19 | Leeds | anyway, it's a bog-standard, well-supported chip |
| 17:22.23 | trousers | Okay, which alsa package do I get? |
| 17:22.38 | trousers | Never mind... |
| 17:22.59 | Leeds | alsa-driver - 1.0.12 is current |
| 17:28.34 | trousers | Compiling |
| 17:53.27 | z0d | mozrat |
| 18:34.53 | mozrat | hi z0d |
| 18:36.37 | trousers | Howdy mozrat |
| 18:36.53 | trousers | Any news on the next meeting yet? |
| 18:37.03 | z0d | I think the proper order is alsa-library, alsa-driver, alsa-utils. |
| 18:37.22 | mozrat | trousers: The next "event" (not a meeting) is the LinuxWorld Conference and Expo |
| 18:37.30 | mozrat | GLLUG will be there.. so should you :-) |
| 18:37.40 | mozrat | There is a Lonix pub meet afterwards |
| 18:37.48 | z0d | Hmm 25th October... Sounds fine. |
| 18:37.53 | mozrat | the plan is to hold a GLLUG meeting on the weekend after the expo |
| 18:38.03 | z00dax | I wont be in the UK from the 18th Oc to the 30th |
| 18:38.09 | mozrat | Just waiting for the speaker to confirm he can come |
| 18:38.16 | mozrat | z00dax: :( |
| 18:38.20 | mozrat | Where will you be? |
| 18:38.24 | z00dax | damn, looks like I am going to miss this one |
| 18:38.28 | trousers | Don't I need tickets for LinuxWorld expo? |
| 18:38.30 | z00dax | mozrat: going to .in for 2 weeks |
| 18:39.07 | mozrat | z00dax: Shame to miss you at the Expo. Have fun though |
| 18:39.17 | mozrat | I first met you in person a year ago! |
| 18:39.37 | z00dax | true... |
| 18:39.46 | z00dax | I as hoping to be there, there is going to be a CentOS stand a well - not sure who is going to man that this year |
| 18:40.37 | z0d | http://www.crorepixels.com/egg.htm |
| 18:41.08 | mozrat | z0d: I think that was exposed as a hoax |
| 18:41.34 | z0d | Yeah. |
| 18:42.59 | mozrat | Hmm, my AppArmor policy for ejabberd doesn't work after all |
| 18:43.01 | z0d | http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_cook_egg_cell_phones.htm |
| 18:44.47 | trousers | z0d: Mmm, tasty... But which way of cooking is more energy efficient? |
| 18:47.20 | trousers | Where is LinxuWorld expo? |
| 18:47.43 | z00dax | trousers: its that way -> |
| 18:48.02 | trousers | You did manage to point to the railway line :) |
| 18:48.09 | trousers | And a train is going past right now |
| 18:50.41 | mozrat | trousers: London Olympia |
| 18:51.15 | trousers | Signing up for free registration :) |
| 18:51.24 | trousers | Must... Tidy... Bedroom... |
| 18:52.05 | trousers | What's the nearest train station to the London Olympia? |
| 18:54.06 | mozrat | It's that silly train from Earls Court |
| 18:54.11 | wethrin | Olympia |
| 18:54.21 | mozrat | that only runs to 3 stations but is officially on the District Line |
| 18:54.42 | wethrin | It's about a 10-15 minute walk from Earl's Court station |
| 18:55.42 | trousers | Kensington Olympia? |
| 18:56.39 | trousers | Yes, it is... I can just get a train from Waterloo... |
| 18:57.58 | wethrin | yarr |
| 18:59.10 | mozrat | Where do you live trousers ? |
| 18:59.38 | trousers | Waitwaitwaitwaitwait... It's on a Wed-Thurs? |
| 18:59.49 | mozrat | yep |
| 19:00.11 | trousers | AHAR! It's half term :) |
| 19:00.20 | mozrat | Is it? |
| 19:00.25 | trousers | For me... |
| 19:00.32 | mozrat | You sure? |
| 19:00.32 | trousers | So I can come |
| 19:00.46 | mozrat | Goody.. I wonder if my kids are on half term then? |
| 19:00.59 | trousers | Hmm, maybe not, aren't your children at primary school? |
| 19:01.29 | trousers | mozrat: Malden Manor station |
| 19:03.23 | wethrin | Different LEAs have different half-term dates |
| 19:03.39 | wethrin | Certainly Berkshire is a week earlier (IIRC) than Buckinghamshire |
| 19:03.50 | mozrat | trousers: they are |
| 19:04.41 | trousers | wethrin: That's only the public (public meaning paid-for-by-the-govmnt-in-this-sense) schools, though? |
| 19:04.51 | trousers | Mozrat could be rich... |
| 19:04.52 | wethrin | trousers: You mean 'state' schools |
| 19:05.03 | trousers | Yes |
| 19:05.09 | wethrin | You're thinking of the USian meaning of 'public' school |
| 19:05.32 | trousers | Mm |
| 19:06.06 | mozrat | trousers: could be.. but I'm not |
| 19:07.30 | trousers | mozrat: Can I be your surrogate son? :P |
| 19:10.24 | mozrat | trousers: Hmmm |
| 19:10.28 | mozrat | There are many considerations |
| 19:10.35 | mozrat | Which distro do you use? |
| 19:10.52 | trousers | For desktop: Ubuntu |
| 19:10.57 | trousers | Currently |
| 19:11.35 | mozrat | Ok. you scored moderately on that test. At least you didn't say Gentoo. Because believe me. Your early bedtimes are incompatible with being a Gentoo user |
| 19:11.54 | mozrat | How much pocket money would you demand a week? |
| 19:11.57 | trousers | I don't use Gentoo on my server! No no no! |
| 19:12.15 | trousers | Err, I haven't had pocket money for at least a year |
| 19:12.25 | mozrat | Hmm! Sounds promising! |
| 19:12.32 | mozrat | Which football team do you support? |
| 19:12.39 | trousers | I don't. |
| 19:12.58 | mozrat | Well - there could have been worse answers. Welcome to the family son |
| 19:13.14 | trousers | Also - I would use Slackware on my server if I could :) |
| 19:13.29 | trousers | ejabber? |
| 19:13.32 | wethrin | Mmm....Slackware |
| 19:13.56 | trousers | Slackware was my first real distribution, but the installer has taken to segfaulting when trying to install on my server |
| 19:14.12 | wethrin | Oh. Eww. |
| 19:14.17 | trousers | And I've been too lazy to install it on another machine and to transfer it across yet |
| 19:14.41 | trousers | And I thought it was screwing me over, but it seems to be that the network card was just dead |
| 19:14.43 | wethrin | That saying, I've got Debian on my xbox and fileserver. And encoding system. But that was for laziness, rather than distribution preference |
| 19:15.00 | trousers | Funky |
| 19:15.25 | trousers | I use Gentoo because one guy told me it was really good, but I don't like it much... Emerging takes for *ever* |
| 19:27.26 | z0d | trousers: Is it really faster? I've heard legends but haven't seen anything convincing. |
| 19:27.45 | trousers | I haven't noticed much... |
| 19:27.48 | trousers | Not that I would |
| 19:37.40 | wethrin | There could be benefits for tasks that are CPU-bound, rather than IO-bound. However, 99.9% of software is very much IO-bound |
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| 20:34.09 | mozrat | hello! |
| 20:34.46 | z00dax | hullo |
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| 20:44.08 | cbz | gah |
| 20:44.22 | z00dax | gah gah |
| 20:44.50 | cbz | gah yourself |
| 20:44.54 | mozrat | cbz! |
| 20:45.13 | cbz | mozzie! |
| 20:45.26 | cbz | The permissions never get set properly |
| 20:45.40 | cbz | <- currently on other machine using hotplug |
| 20:54.17 | wethrin | Sigh. What is it with charities sending out pens and flyers all the time? Is it actually financially viable for them? |
| 20:54.49 | cbz | Yes, as it makes you feel guilty |
| 20:54.56 | cbz | Sign up for the MPS |
| 20:55.04 | cbz | And give anonymously via a charitycard |
| 20:55.38 | cbz | But on the issue itself - it's a marketing cost, and lot's of charities have fairly big marketing budgets for that sort of thing |
| 21:09.00 | z00dax | cb35% |
| 21:09.03 | z00dax | humm |
| 21:09.06 | z00dax | cbz: 35% |
| 21:09.30 | z00dax | on a .eu average only 41% of donated funds make it to the actual chairty-use |
| 21:10.04 | z00dax | in the .us I've heard of numbers as low as 23% - 24% |
| 21:10.13 | cbz | Yeah |
| 21:10.39 | cbz | So basically research the charities first - if you are going to give. |
| 21:20.42 | wethrin | With the MPS, does that apply to a person, or an address? |
| 21:20.56 | wethrin | As most of the junk is addressed to a previous occupant, or 'The Occupier' |
| 21:21.46 | z00dax | mps runs on surname/familyname |
| 21:24.51 | cbz | wethrin: You can add entries for previous occupants |
| 21:25.11 | cbz | wethrin: A lot of the 'The Occupier' mail is delivered directly by Royal Mail, there's a different way of stopping that |
| 21:26.29 | cbz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/working_lunch/4315806.stm |
| 21:26.57 | wethrin | Hrm |
| 21:27.07 | wethrin | I object less to junk mail than spam |
| 21:27.29 | cbz | You subsidise both |
| 21:27.36 | z00dax | there is also the thing that once you buy something from someone and dont opt out, they can still send you stuff - even if you are on the mps |
| 21:29.01 | z0d | There's an alternative: change e-mail address annually. |
| 21:29.26 | z00dax | z0d: thats not a good idea. the aim of an email add is to have it for a long time |
| 21:29.31 | z00dax | I still have my 1995 one |
| 21:29.49 | cbz | Another alternative, crucify spammers |
| 21:31.19 | z0d | z00dax: I though the aim is to enable communication. <-: |
| 21:31.42 | z00dax | yes, and to do so over a long period of time |
| 21:32.16 | z00dax | change of email would hurt me a lot more than change of house address |
| 21:32.30 | z0d | I don't say it's perfect. I don't even say it's a reasonable method for all. But it works. |
| 21:32.31 | z00dax | or even phone number for that matter |
| 21:32.59 | z0d | Well, you can put up a web page which describes your current e-mail address. |
| 21:33.07 | z0d | Describes, not contains. |
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