| 05:39.22 | *** join/#gllug trousers (n=trousers@82-43-176-23.cable.ubr06.newm.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 07:15.02 | morsing | 'morning |
| 07:22.20 | morsing | LeedsHK? |
| 07:32.42 | LeedsHK | what? |
| 07:38.56 | morsing | sa-learned used 2GB mem and then died... |
| 07:39.38 | morsing | Anyway, the files in /var/cache/apt/archives... Can I delete them? |
| 08:14.34 | morsing | LeedsHK? |
| 08:32.46 | LeedsHK | what? |
| 08:34.12 | morsing | Anyway, the files in |
| 08:34.12 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.12 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.42 | LeedsHK | you are seriously asking me questions about apt? |
| 08:34.56 | morsing | yes |
| 08:35.29 | morsing | LeedsHK: What did you have for breakfast? |
| 08:39.37 | murb | moin |
| 08:39.55 | murb | morsing: apt-get clean # will clean up after apt |
| 08:40.34 | murb | however i suggest you read the man page for apt |
| 08:50.11 | morsing | What's a man page? |
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| 09:28.55 | mozrat | Morning folks |
| 09:30.45 | mikejw | hey :) |
| 09:30.58 | mozrat | 'lo! |
| 09:31.28 | mozrat | lots of thunder here |
| 09:31.53 | mozrat | no rain... bizarre |
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| 09:56.05 | JAV | morning |
| 10:06.55 | z0d | mozrat: That directory contains the downloaded .debs. You can safely delete them. |
| 10:18.14 | murb | z0d: why are you telling mozrat that? |
| 10:19.24 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 10:19.57 | z0d | murb: Because I was inadvertent. |
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| 11:30.10 | morsing | Soat_on_a_Boat! |
| 11:33.59 | wethrin | people! |
| 11:46.47 | mozrat | LeedsHK, how is it? is it usable? |
| 11:50.12 | z00dax | people of the world! |
| 11:50.25 | z00dax | mozrat: have fun yesterday ? |
| 11:51.57 | mozrat | z00dax, lots :-) |
| 11:54.09 | wethrin | mozrat: Were you thrown out of the apple store? |
| 11:54.11 | mozrat | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.16 | *** mode/#gllug [+o mozrat] by ChanServ |
| 11:54.26 | wethrin | mozrat: You may want to change the topic :) |
| 11:54.50 | z00dax | mozrat: no - url ? |
| 11:54.54 | mozrat | wethrin, I'm on my blackberry - cant at the moment :-) |
| 11:55.02 | wethrin | No slashes? :) |
| 11:55.11 | wethrin | When's the next event, then? |
| 11:55.17 | *** mode/#gllug [+o wethrin] by ChanServ |
| 11:55.25 | mozrat | z00dax, i mailed it to the list last night - search for defectivebydesign on flickr |
| 11:55.39 | mozrat | wethrin, too much typing, screen too small |
| 11:55.54 | wethrin | right |
| 11:56.03 | mozrat | next event is Expo... get the previous topic back from the stats page |
| 11:56.14 | wethrin | ~stats |
| 11:56.15 | ibot | Since Mon Sep 25 21:07:45 2006, there have been 98 modifications, 1036 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 859 commands. I have been awake for 5d 14h 48m 29s this session, and currently reference 111702 factoids. I'm using about 19184 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 17711.39/1381.89 child 0.08/0.03 |
| 11:56.43 | mozrat | silenceisdefeat.org/~mozrat/gllug |
| 11:57.23 | wethrin | ta |
| 11:59.00 | z00dax | cool |
| 11:59.40 | wethrin | "Poor George, nobody likes him/her" |
| 11:59.46 | mozrat | z00dax, 3200 leaflets in 2 hours is good going |
| 12:00.11 | z00dax | wow |
| 12:00.16 | wethrin | Oh dear. Why am I number 4 most referenced nickname? |
| 12:00.59 | mozrat | we talk about you when you are sleeping |
| 12:01.05 | wethrin | No you don't |
| 12:01.14 | wethrin | It'd be in my away log if you did |
| 12:01.34 | z00dax | we delete it from you away log when you are not looking |
| 12:02.16 | mozrat | and then talk about deleting it |
| 12:02.53 | *** topic/#gllug by wethrin -> Greater London LUG - Next event is 25th October - LinuxWorld Expo. Hhttp:// |
| 12:02.56 | wethrin | GAH |
| 12:03.08 | wethrin | My DSL modem lost connection |
| 12:03.24 | mozrat | hopeless |
| 12:03.31 | *** topic/#gllug by wethrin -> Greater London LUG - Next event is 25th October - LinuxWorld Expo. http://gllug.org.uk | http://planet.gllug.org.uk |
| 12:03.34 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 12:03.40 | mozrat | this is the kind of buffonery we talk about |
| 12:04.19 | wethrin | indeed |
| 12:04.31 | wethrin | I remember when this channel used to be mostly technical! |
| 12:04.58 | mozrat | i remember that afternoon! |
| 12:05.15 | mozrat | was it a wednesday? |
| 12:05.43 | wethrin | It might have been a Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays |
| 12:06.07 | mikejw | :) |
| 12:09.19 | wethrin | Plane tends to be the standard way |
| 12:09.28 | z00dax | i also need a visa |
| 12:09.39 | z00dax | so need to get a whole bunch of things done before i can go :) |
| 12:11.40 | wethrin | damn foreigners :-P |
| 12:26.34 | wethrin | You domestic, you |
| 12:27.06 | *** mode/#gllug [-o mozrat] by mozrat |
| 12:28.09 | morsing | wethrin: Op me |
| 12:29.08 | *** mode/#gllug [+o morsing] by wethrin |
| 12:29.30 | wethrin | why? |
| 12:29.46 | morsing | I'm going to surprise George when he comes back |
| 12:29.49 | morsing | ~seen George |
| 12:30.35 | ibot | george <i=authdeni@81.91.110.54> was last seen on IRC in channel #intimate, 25d 19h 49m 50s ago, saying: 'I think I might have scared him off'. |
| 12:30.36 | wethrin | heh |
| 12:30.36 | wethrin | I doubt george will be coming back here |
| 12:30.36 | morsing | What happened this time? |
| 12:30.36 | morsing | ~seen George |
| 12:30.47 | ibot | george <i=authdeni@81.91.110.54> was last seen on IRC in channel #intimate, 25d 19h 50m 2s ago, saying: 'I think I might have scared him off'. |
| 12:30.50 | wethrin | He refused to not be rude |
| 12:54.04 | morsing | wethrin: Scone? |
| 12:56.02 | wethrin | Okay |
| 12:56.22 | morsing | Here ya go... |
| 12:58.58 | morsing | Google is down... |
| 13:07.00 | wethrin | Thanks |
| 13:37.44 | andrew___ | Just doing some arm chair walking. I am plotting the walk we did yesterday on google maps |
| 13:43.02 | wethrin | :) |
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| 14:17.28 | morsing | Check it!" |
| 14:24.20 | wethrin | morsing! |
| 14:24.22 | wethrin | You're an AIX man1 |
| 14:31.12 | z00dax | soon to be upgraded to man2 |
| 14:31.21 | z00dax | too many to/2's |
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| 14:49.45 | boudiccas | hiya, anyone online here and awake? |
| 14:49.56 | boudiccas | ibot wake everybody |
| 14:49.57 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on everybody and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 14:51.09 | Kitty | thanks ibot |
| 15:08.08 | boudiccas | ibot thank everybody |
| 15:08.08 | ibot | de rien, boudiccas |
| 15:08.25 | boudiccas | ibot speak english |
| 15:08.48 | boudiccas | ibot thank everybody |
| 15:08.48 | ibot | boudiccas: sure thing |
| 15:08.56 | boudiccas | thank you :) |
| 15:16.12 | wethrin | What-ho |
| 15:17.52 | mozrat | Hello Wing Commander! |
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| 15:35.27 | morsing | boudiccas! |
| 15:35.49 | boudiccas | ummh? |
| 16:09.33 | hali | how did the DRM event go? i was just by the apple stor looking for people :) |
| 16:09.39 | hali | store* |
| 16:12.53 | morsing | POWER6 is out in Feb :) |
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| 16:51.09 | mozrat | Does anyone know what the call tariffs are from a BT Landline to mobile phones is? |
| 16:51.14 | mozrat | hali: it went very well! |
| 16:51.23 | mozrat | But you know it was yesterday? |
| 16:51.43 | hali | oh shoot |
| 16:52.21 | hali | i didn't plan to go, i was having drinks on carnaby street and jus thought i would pop by... but only saw pro-drm people |
| 16:52.34 | mozrat | heh |
| 16:52.38 | mozrat | well - yesterday was good |
| 16:53.21 | mozrat | http://www.flickr.com/photos/50207935@N00/ |
| 16:53.51 | mozrat | http://www.flickr.com/photos/50207935@N00/257163599/ << me! |
| 16:55.54 | hali | any riots? :) |
| 16:56.48 | mozrat | No, one security guard threatened to "punch me in the face" as I was doing all of the shouting/announcing etc |
| 16:56.52 | mozrat | but I'm sure he was joking |
| 16:57.09 | mozrat | apart from that sillyness there was no nasty feelings at all |
| 16:57.15 | mozrat | The public were very positive |
| 16:58.02 | morsing | mozrat: Sorry, but what was it about? |
| 16:59.22 | mozrat | morsing: the fact that companies like Apple are adding restrictions to the media they sell that aren't required by copyright law |
| 16:59.41 | mozrat | this chips away at our rights as internet users and as consumers |
| 16:59.47 | mozrat | </sales pitch> |
| 17:00.00 | morsing | :) |
| 17:00.16 | morsing | mozrat: What did you think of the carnival videos? |
| 17:00.25 | z00dax | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060930/ap_on_fe_st/hungry_burglar <-- ! |
| 17:02.52 | mozrat | morsing: they were good :-) |
| 17:15.06 | mozrat | ugh, West Ham lost again :( |
| 17:18.41 | morsing | Not north sausage? |
| 17:24.32 | mozrat | Hmm? |
| 17:24.58 | mozrat | morsing: are you going to the Expo this month? |
| 17:38.47 | morsing | Expo? |
| 17:46.27 | mozrat | yes |
| 17:46.31 | mozrat | this month |
| 17:46.34 | mozrat | are you coming? |
| 18:01.12 | morsing | mozrat: What is it? |
| 18:01.21 | mozrat | morsing: don't be silly!! :-) |
| 18:01.27 | mozrat | Linux World Conference and Expo |
| 18:01.32 | mozrat | London Olympia 2 |
| 18:01.37 | mozrat | 25/26 October |
| 18:01.41 | mozrat | ARE YOU COMING? |
| 18:01.46 | morsing | Weekend? |
| 18:01.48 | morsing | Evening? |
| 18:02.12 | mozrat | Weekday, during the day |
| 18:02.18 | mozrat | It happens every year? |
| 18:02.49 | morsing | Can't go during the day |
| 18:04.03 | mozrat | Well - it will be closed at night |
| 18:04.20 | morsing | I can come out for a drink after :) |
| 18:04.30 | mozrat | Lonix is that night |
| 18:05.04 | morsing | Wow - Gllug has a new website :) |
| 18:06.46 | morsing | Hmm... morsing,mo*? |
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| 18:08.11 | morsing | david! |
| 18:08.25 | morsing | david: Have you checked out Gllug's new website? |
| 18:09.14 | david | looks similar to before |
| 18:09.52 | morsing | Not really - it was very primitve before with almost no information |
| 18:11.01 | mozrat | morsing: which year are you living in? :-) |
| 18:11.53 | morsing | mozrat: It's been a few years since I looked at it since it was so pointless |
| 18:12.00 | morsing | Why didn't you tell me? |
| 18:12.22 | david | is the subscribe to mailing list fixed? |
| 18:12.23 | mozrat | morsing: it was "limited in functionality" before |
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| 18:12.32 | mozrat | david: how do you mean? |
| 18:12.48 | z0d | david: It worked for me last week |
| 18:12.52 | david | there's a web interface for it, which throws python errors in your face when you select it |
| 18:13.13 | david | I'll try again then. |
| 18:13.51 | mozrat | david: oh.. it shouldn't do and doesn't as far as I know. Please let me know if it does |
| 18:14.04 | morsing | Anyone watching Bangla Bangers? |
| 18:14.38 | david | ok, it does. want me to dump the trace to you? |
| 18:14.42 | morsing | mozrat? |
| 18:15.01 | david | or you can just follow the web subscribe link thingy, and fill in the details. |
| 18:15.20 | david | I'll go with the email subscribe thingy for now. |
| 18:15.38 | mozrat | david: please... sm@beerandspeech.org |
| 18:16.22 | mozrat | david: how did you get it to throw an error? |
| 18:16.53 | mozrat | oooh, I see |
| 18:17.09 | morsing | Check it! |
| 18:17.19 | mozrat | I believe that is caused with a subscriber with a borked mail address |
| 18:17.27 | mozrat | using funny characters (or something) |
| 18:17.50 | david | sent. |
| 18:18.02 | mozrat | thanks |
| 18:21.28 | david | to subscribe email way, do I just have to send a blank email to the address listed? |
| 18:22.27 | mozrat | yes, to the -subscribe address |
| 18:22.38 | mozrat | david: I can manually subscribe you if you like |
| 18:22.57 | david | go for it: codje2@lboro.ac.uk |
| 18:23.29 | david | (I'm not actually at loughborough anymore before you kick me out for blatantly being in the wrong LUG :-P ) |
| 18:24.28 | mozrat | :-) |
| 18:24.48 | mozrat | done |
| 18:25.17 | mozrat | It is getting very hard to define the geographical boundaries of either the mailing list or IRC channel now |
| 18:25.17 | david | swish. now I can have loadsa emails and pretend I have friends. |
| 18:25.20 | mozrat | we are really stretching the boundaries of "Greater London" |
| 18:26.05 | david | I'm living in Croydon, which I think counts. |
| 18:26.54 | mozrat | It does |
| 18:27.09 | david | woo! |
| 18:27.11 | mozrat | LeedsHK living in Hong Kong (mostly) is pushing it :-) |
| 18:27.21 | mozrat | But we love him so he can stay :D |
| 18:27.32 | david | now I can burden all the questions I'd been saving up for my ex-lug on to you :-D |
| 18:27.39 | david | that's pretty pushing it. |
| 18:28.03 | david | but in fairness no-one could pronounce HKLUG so they all have to find different ones. |
| 18:29.46 | mozrat | speak later, david |
| 18:29.47 | morsing | SAUSAGES |
| 18:35.35 | david | my washing machines crashed. |
| 18:37.23 | mozrat | how many do you have? |
| 18:37.36 | david | *machine's |
| 18:38.09 | mozrat | ah |
| 18:38.23 | david | 1, no backup unfortunately. The procces has finished, but not removed the lock file on the door. |
| 18:39.45 | hali | remount it with -o nolock ;) |
| 18:41.14 | david | there's no remote access |
| 18:41.45 | david | I pressed lots of buttons and it now sounds like it's about to explode. |
| 18:43.38 | david | waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh mental. |
| 18:43.53 | david | I've just navigated to / in konqueror...and all the folders 'cept /home and /media are gone. |
| 18:44.34 | david | oh...it's just konq being noncey, they're not lost :-D |
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| 19:08.45 | mozrat | wb boudiccas |
| 19:09.19 | boudiccas | ty. just replaced my dying h/d and copied stuff over |
| 19:11.15 | mozrat | oh cool |
| 19:13.57 | boudiccas | yes, everything seems to be back in its usual place :) |
| 19:14.42 | z00dax | how did you work out it was dying |
| 19:15.56 | boudiccas | the sheer number of bad sectors and inability to read certain segments |
| 19:16.38 | boudiccas | when it tried to read/write to that sector/segment it just used to completely crash the machine |
| 19:17.30 | boudiccas | i no longer had any faith in that drive, it wasn't an asset it was a liability |
| 19:18.11 | morsing | Moo |
| 19:18.24 | boudiccas | meeouuw |
| 19:18.57 | z00dax | boudiccas: warranty claim ? |
| 19:19.31 | hali | most drives come with 3 years warranty these days.. quite nice |
| 19:19.35 | boudiccas | can't remember when or where i bought it from, think i'll look in the computer folder tomorrow......thanks for the heads-up :) |
| 19:19.45 | z00dax | some with 5 |
| 19:20.08 | hali | skutzi and other hardcore stuff |
| 19:20.35 | hali | and |
| 19:20.46 | hali | whine whine... can't find any docs for the postgresql dtrace interface |
| 19:21.37 | morsing | This guy Kamikaze must be on crack |
| 19:25.38 | z00dax | hali: i am off to sweden next weekend! |
| 19:25.50 | hali | z00dax: cool, vacation or business? |
| 19:25.55 | hali | or a bit of both :) |
| 19:25.57 | z00dax | vacation |
| 19:26.20 | hali | nice... i recommend the old town the "vasa museum" (if you like boats) |
| 19:26.31 | hali | s/the/and the/ |
| 19:26.44 | z00dax | ok :) |
| 19:28.54 | morsing | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interference |
| 19:30.14 | morsing | hali: I've been there :) |
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| 19:41.32 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 19:42.00 | sabinef72 | stupid stupid computer |
| 19:42.08 | sabinef72 | I only have 56 k !!!!!!! |
| 19:42.26 | murb | 56 k euros? |
| 19:42.32 | murb | is your ebanking broken? |
| 19:42.47 | sabinef72 | adsl is dead...... |
| 19:42.59 | murb | sabinef72: if you want to lend me about 30k i can buy the land behind my house and evict the antisocial neighbours |
| 19:45.02 | sabinef72 | murb: good idea |
| 19:46.23 | boudiccas | how do i add my new drive to the hddtemp database so that i can monitor its temperature without it sending me a message saying that the new drive isn't in its database? can anyone help/advise please? |
| 19:46.30 | murb | sabinef72: if i send you by IBAN number and bank address you can sort out a transfer? |
| 19:46.59 | sabinef72 | too late, bank is close and web is broken |
| 19:47.04 | sabinef72 | how can I do ? |
| 19:47.28 | sabinef72 | can I pay with kisses ? |
| 19:47.57 | murb | depends how good a kisser you are. |
| 19:50.08 | murb | sabinef72: pay the kissses to morsing thing. |
| 19:50.27 | murb | s/thing/then/ |
| 20:02.44 | morsing | 56k kisses?! |
| 20:04.10 | sabinef72 | morsing: 56 kisses versus adsl |
| 20:04.10 | sabinef72 | it's a good deal no ? |
| 20:05.59 | mozrat | sabinef72!! |
| 20:07.36 | sabinef72 | mozrat !!!!!!!!! |
| 20:07.48 | sabinef72 | mozrat: please help me it's horribleeeeeee |
| 20:09.01 | boudiccas | i'm having a brain fart day! how do you update 'loctae' please? |
| 20:09.07 | boudiccas | *locate |
| 20:09.23 | sabinef72 | Do you think I'm drug ? |
| 20:09.41 | mozrat | boudiccas: there is a script that probably isn't in your path |
| 20:09.43 | popey | boudiccas: updatedb? |
| 20:09.53 | mozrat | sabinef72: probably :-) |
| 20:10.09 | popey | mozrat! |
| 20:10.20 | mozrat | In which universe is "ggVGgq" a sane command in a text editor to remember? |
| 20:10.25 | mozrat | Hey popey! |
| 20:10.35 | popey | :D |
| 20:10.45 | mozrat | How is SMP? |
| 20:11.12 | boudiccas | popey; thanks, just cd'd to /sbin/ and its running nicely now |
| 20:11.36 | mozrat | my wifes REALLY annoying friend is around :( |
| 20:11.48 | popey | annoying how? |
| 20:12.13 | mozrat | popey: crap choice in men,, always whinging.. refuses to take obvious advice |
| 20:12.21 | popey | ahh |
| 20:12.28 | mozrat | I can hear her in the other room.. rather like listening to white noise |
| 20:12.59 | mozrat | popey: are you going to the expo this year? |
| 20:13.07 | popey | :) |
| 20:13.08 | popey | going! |
| 20:13.16 | popey | I'm helping to man the Ubuntu-uk stand |
| 20:13.22 | mozrat | oh awesome! |
| 20:13.33 | popey | so "yes" |
| 20:13.46 | mozrat | I was going to ask that you say hi as you wander past but if you are a fellow exhibitor all the better |
| 20:14.07 | popey | what stand will you be on? |
| 20:14.08 | mozrat | is that a corporate stand or a dotorg village stand? |
| 20:14.16 | mozrat | GLLUG on one day, FSFE on the other |
| 20:14.29 | popey | GLLUG have a stand!? |
| 20:14.31 | popey | cool |
| 20:14.33 | mozrat | of course! |
| 20:14.37 | mozrat | have done for a few years |
| 20:14.51 | popey | what does a stand consist of? |
| 20:14.51 | z0d | Is there a way to avoid restarting the whole X because I added myself to a group (but it hasn't taken effect). |
| 20:15.01 | popey | a table, some stools and a backdrop you stick posters to? |
| 20:15.15 | mozrat | we are planning a meeting on the Sat or Sun afterwards so we'll be pimping that heavily |
| 20:15.28 | popey | z0d: just open a new terminal and spawn anything that needs that group from there? |
| 20:15.34 | mozrat | we are taking some computers and we're going to run a slideshow of past events and some text slides thrown in |
| 20:15.41 | popey | cool |
| 20:15.45 | popey | what do they provide? |
| 20:15.52 | popey | some plinth to put said laptops on? |
| 20:15.58 | z0d | popey: Tried that, didn't help. |
| 20:16.09 | mozrat | they provide tables (I think.. not entirely sure. I should really find out |
| 20:16.10 | z0d | I even tried bash -l; without luck. |
| 20:16.10 | mozrat | ) |
| 20:16.22 | mozrat | z0d: ssh localhost ? |
| 20:16.29 | mozrat | hackish, but should work |
| 20:16.54 | mozrat | or do you mean for all applications? |
| 20:17.02 | z0d | mozrat: Yes. |
| 20:17.10 | mozrat | hmm, NFI then |
| 20:17.52 | z0d | Though if it works for SSH, I should also be able to make it work in a local shell. |
| 20:21.39 | boudiccas | how do i add my new drive to the hddtemp database so that i can monitor its temperature without it sending me a message saying that the new drive isn't in its database? can anyone help/advise please? |
| 20:24.03 | antiphase | I bet the BBC multicast I'm watching would work better with WMP than vlc </troll> |
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| 20:25.17 | mozrat | antiphase: what are you watching it in at the moment? |
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| 20:27.24 | antiphase | Yes. Having a squizz at Jane Eyre, 16:9, H.264 1Mbps |
| 20:27.32 | antiphase | Not that bad, especially in a window |
| 20:27.51 | mozrat | real player? |
| 20:27.56 | antiphase | vlc |
| 20:28.05 | antiphase | The realplayer streams are really gash |
| 20:28.11 | antiphase | Bandwisth far too low |
| 20:28.14 | mozrat | I see |
| 20:38.09 | rhowe | hm.. presumably your ISP needs to handle IGMP in order to use the BBC multicast stuff? |
| 20:46.11 | murb | rhowe: your ISP has to be one of http://support.bbc.co.uk/multicast/isps.html |
| 20:46.34 | murb | althoguh i think it i just a ploy to require tv licenses for computers |
| 20:47.45 | rhowe | hmm.. being on UKFSN, I'd be on that list |
| 20:47.49 | rhowe | (Entanet) |
| 20:48.33 | murb | how do you get your connection? |
| 20:48.36 | rhowe | Assuming Enta make it available to all customers |
| 20:48.43 | rhowe | murb: White label resold service |
| 20:48.49 | rhowe | murb: Not L2TP |
| 20:48.58 | rhowe | murb: Entanet IP addresses, etc |
| 20:49.42 | murb | rhowe: well http://lists.ukfsn.org/pipermail/users/2006-March/000783.html |
| 20:50.19 | murb | how does your internet land? |
| 20:50.34 | rhowe | murb: PPPoE to a Soekris running sarge |
| 20:51.52 | murb | should be doable then. |
| 20:53.13 | rhowe | Would I need mrouted or will it Just Work(tm)? |
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| 20:53.57 | rhowe | It's running 2.6.17.11 |
| 20:54.20 | murb | do you have kenrel multicast support included? |
| 20:54.25 | rhowe | Yup |
| 21:00.52 | murb | rhowe: seems nearly nobody terminates ppp on a linux box |
| 21:01.03 | murb | so if you get it to work be sure top publish a howto. |
| 21:03.24 | rhowe | murb: Alright |
| 21:03.42 | rhowe | murb: Terminating PPP on a Linux box is the only reason I suffer PPPoE instead of PPPoA |
| 21:05.21 | antiphase | I use a Speedtouch 716, I can't be arsed with linux routers any more |
| 21:05.49 | murb | antiphase: i really can't be arsed with not linux routers |
| 21:06.00 | murb | all well and good in the shor tterm until something breaks. |
| 21:06.06 | murb | then you are stuck. |
| 21:06.37 | rhowe | murb: I use a router as an ethernet-over-DSL -> ethernet bridge, I guess |
| 21:06.46 | rhowe | murb: It's transparent and gives me PPPoE |
| 21:06.54 | antiphase | I'm not sure what's likely to break. I've spent many lost hours and kWh getting linux machines to do what I want |
| 21:06.54 | murb | rhowe: yeah, i am using the same. |
| 21:07.04 | rhowe | murb: I still have your Alcatel 1000, but it won't sync |
| 21:07.10 | murb | oh :( |
| 21:07.19 | murb | rhowe: did you find an atm card to go without? |
| 21:07.20 | rhowe | murb: If I could get that working, or something similar, I'd get an ATMf25 card |
| 21:07.33 | rhowe | murb: Didn't see the point in looking without a DSL->ATM bridge |
| 21:07.36 | murb | rhowe: well i know it did work before, as i used it in the office with that bt router. |
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| 21:07.47 | rhowe | murb: Still got that router too :) |
| 21:07.58 | sabinef72_ | arg |
| 21:07.59 | rhowe | murb: Was looking at the chip in it - it's a motorola PPC comms processor |
| 21:08.02 | sabinef72_ | I'm in dubble |
| 21:08.06 | murb | rhowe: apparently the adsl modem i'm currently using as a pppoe bridge has a usb port and a linux driver for the usb.. |
| 21:08.20 | murb | so i supposed i could get pppoa |
| 21:08.27 | rhowe | murb: The little USB frog things have an opensource driver now |
| 21:08.32 | murb | but current set up is reliable and i'm several 100 km away |
| 21:08.33 | rhowe | murb: That would probably do me |
| 21:08.48 | sabinef72_ | z00dax: sorry |
| 21:08.58 | murb | rhowe: yeah, i hvae one of those as well, plan to stick it on a wgt634u when i get dsl here |
| 21:09.05 | rhowe | murb: I also have a Bewan card which I was trying to get to work in the Soekris, but it wasn't happy. Either a bad driver or just the box being too slow to handle it |
| 21:09.05 | murb | but i did find the frogs unresliable. |
| 21:09.37 | murb | and in .de the norm is pppoe |
| 21:09.44 | murb | no idea if anyone does pppoa |
| 21:09.48 | rhowe | murb: At work we have a pair of Sangoma S518s doing bonded (well, not at the moment, as Enta/C4L seem to have broken MLPPP) |
| 21:09.57 | rhowe | murb: 1500 byte MTU = good |
| 21:10.02 | murb | indeed |
| 21:10.10 | murb | don't say pmtu to me. |
| 21:10.20 | rhowe | murb: MSS clamping :) |
| 21:10.24 | murb | my internet depends on evil mss clamping. |
| 21:10.33 | rhowe | murb: So does work's :( |
| 21:10.50 | rhowe | murb: As Enta/C4L seem to have broken their network lately |
| 21:11.01 | murb | all consumer router firmware i've look at includes it. |
| 21:11.04 | rhowe | murb: It used to work fine with bonded ADSL and a 1500 byte MTU |
| 21:11.41 | rhowe | murb: Now all we can do is single ADSL with a 1460 byte MTU |
| 21:12.01 | rhowe | murb: If we don't specify an MTU in pppd, we get 1500 but anything > 1460 just vanishes. If we specify 1460, Enta does at least send fragmentation-needed etc |
| 21:12.15 | rhowe | murb: But you still end up with a lot of breakage, even when your end's working and you don't have a 1500 byte MTU |
| 21:12.20 | murb | rhowe: so does eclipse |
| 21:12.23 | rhowe | murb: So we're doing MSS clamping too |
| 21:13.57 | rhowe | murb: Soon after PMTUD works? :) |
| 21:14.08 | antiphase | I'd suggest boycotting anyone that doesn't support pmtud |
| 21:14.21 | rhowe | antiphase: microsoft.com, notably |
| 21:14.32 | antiphase | Why would you care about them? :) |
| 21:14.32 | rhowe | antiphase: Bit irritating when you're deploying 20 Windows PCs and need to run Windows Update |
| 21:14.43 | murb | rhowe: well the bbc used to break. |
| 21:14.57 | rhowe | murb: Isn't it usually load balancers? |
| 21:16.54 | murb | in the bbc case i think. |
| 21:17.03 | murb | no idea if it got fixed. |
| 21:17.21 | murb | rhowe: i came accross that ike frag issue you had the other day. |
| 21:17.55 | rhowe | murb: Using 2048 byte keys? |
| 21:18.36 | rhowe | I really don't know what my MTU is these days |
| 21:20.03 | rhowe | 1492 seems to be what I'm running at |
| 21:21.20 | murb | i'm 1500 to the house with the adsl |
| 21:21.30 | murb | the wireless should work with large mtus but doesn't. |
| 21:21.33 | murb | r |
| 21:21.50 | murb | but i don't except much from madwifi other than crashes |
| 21:22.11 | rhowe | Anything > 1492 just vanishes |
| 21:22.42 | rhowe | Outgoing, the Soekris does the right thing, but anything coming in from the internet gets dropped |
| 21:22.45 | murb | pppoe requires 8 bytes? |
| 21:23.03 | rhowe | Can't remember |
| 21:23.05 | murb | rhowe: so isp are setting the wrong mtu on bpeer? |
| 21:23.14 | rhowe | murb: Looks that way |
| 21:23.29 | murb | so you don't even get need frag? |
| 21:23.49 | rhowe | murb: Not at the moment, but perhaps my config is wacked |
| 21:24.21 | rhowe | murb: It's the same as I had with Nildram though. I emailed about them and they basically said they only supported PPPoA with a 1500 byte MTU. PPPoE was unsupported (but 'worked') |
| 21:24.34 | rhowe | murb: Now I'm on Entanet sold by UKFSN, I haven't really investigated |
| 21:25.16 | murb | just have to wait for jason to appear on irc. |
| 21:26.22 | rhowe | Rarely these days |
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| 21:26.47 | rhowe | I'll redo my investigation and see what I can come up with. At least I have a remote host I can ssh to to test with |
| 21:26.53 | rhowe | (our New York firewall) |
| 21:27.13 | boudiccas | fsck'ng computers! |
| 21:27.24 | boudiccas | I hates you! |
| 21:27.51 | murb | and it was a laptop so only that single disk. |
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| 21:31.11 | sabinef72 | back again |
| 21:31.25 | hali | sabinef72: still on 56k? |
| 21:31.36 | sabinef72 | yes |
| 21:31.53 | hali | :/ |
| 21:31.54 | sabinef72 | and the stupid modem in 56 k.... is not very friendly with me |
| 21:31.59 | hali | i would go insane |
| 21:32.05 | hali | no wifi you can borrow? :) |
| 21:32.28 | sabinef72 | no friendly neighbourg with wifi..... |
| 21:33.26 | sabinef72 | hali: after 3 days without the web, 56 k is not so bad... |
| 21:35.38 | antiphase | I'm surprised the internet isn't on strike in .fr |
| 21:35.48 | hali | hehe... |
| 21:35.53 | hali | french people do love to strike :) |
| 21:36.08 | sabinef72 | ohhhhhhhhhh |
| 21:36.50 | sabinef72 | backbiter antiphase |
| 21:39.01 | hali | has anyone tried those new fancy core2 processors yet? |
| 21:39.47 | murb | i have a some dual core amd boxes. |
| 21:40.26 | hali | thats the big question, i've sold my old ibook and need to reallocate the funds in either a small amd box or a small core2 box |
| 21:43.47 | sabinef72 | good night all |
| 21:44.19 | hali | good night |
| 21:45.09 | boudiccas | nn |
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| 22:57.01 | rhowe | http://siksai.co.uk/~rhowe/fasting.html |
| 22:58.35 | z00dax | rhowe: hey |
| 22:58.52 | rhowe | heya kb |
| 22:58.57 | z00dax | howse things |
| 22:59.09 | rhowe | Well, they still are |
| 22:59.20 | rhowe | Which is a good thing I suppose :) |
| 22:59.29 | z00dax | yes! |
| 23:00.20 | rhowe | Still with Wordtracker? |
| 23:00.27 | z00dax | very much so |
| 23:00.42 | z00dax | its fun! |
| 23:16.13 | LeedsHK | rhowe: I'm fasting for a total of 25 hours, not 30 days |
| 23:16.33 | z00dax | LeedsHK: why are you fasting ? |
| 23:17.12 | rhowe | LeedsHK: Then you shouldn't need to break into anyone's house :) |
| 23:17.52 | LeedsHK | z00dax: because it's yom kippur |
| 23:18.09 | LeedsHK | also, I had some acupuncture earlier, for the first time, and I've got 4 pins stuck in my left ear... |
| 23:18.49 | z00dax | LeedsHK: ah! didnt know.. |
| 23:19.00 | z00dax | how long do the pins stay in place ? |
| 23:19.24 | LeedsHK | up to 2 weeks, then you're supposed to get a set in the other ear |
| 23:19.39 | z00dax | ouch |
| 23:19.46 | LeedsHK | slight problem that I'll be back in HK by then - but I think there may be one or two acupuncturists in HK :-) |
| 23:20.00 | LeedsHK | also had one in each wrist, for 10 minutes |
| 23:20.01 | z00dax | hope they follow the same school of thought... |
| 23:20.19 | z00dax | I am somehow not soo hot about getting needles into my system |
| 23:20.33 | rhowe | LeedsHK: I wonder what airport security will make of them |
| 23:20.45 | LeedsHK | well, the guy here - who is one of my sister's best friends, which is why he came over to stick needles into various family members this afternoon - said he'd find someone in HK to recommend to me |
| 23:21.32 | LeedsHK | z00dax: I have no problem with needles - I spent about 6 months, starting 2 years ago, sticking an insulin needle in myself 4 times a day, and I still regularly prick my fingers for blood tests |
| 23:22.46 | LeedsHK | rhowe: I'm working on the basis that it's like having earrings, and they're allowed |
| 23:23.54 | rhowe | hmm.. best of luck :) |
| 23:24.23 | z00dax | how long are the needles ? |
| 23:24.25 | LeedsHK | worst that happens, they tell me to take them out, I do... |
| 23:24.34 | z00dax | if its more than a few cm's - you might have an issue ( i think ) |
| 23:24.36 | murb | well as long as you don't meet airport security like the ones at munich who demanded someoen remove the plastercas on their arm. |
| 23:24.50 | rhowe | murb: haha |
| 23:24.53 | LeedsHK | z00dax: the ones in my ear are a few mm - the ones in my arm were a few cm, but only in maybe 5mm |
| 23:25.49 | LeedsHK | more than a few cm???? what do you think I've got sticking out of my ear???? |
| 23:25.57 | z00dax | dunno, might be worth calling and asking - although not sure who you'd call |
| 23:26.48 | LeedsHK | don't really mind taking them out if I've got to... at the moment, I'm more worried that I flew out here in Upper Class, with about 43kg of luggage, so if I don't get a) an upgrade and b) friendly staff on the way back, I could be paying a lot of excess |
| 23:29.21 | z00dax | ok zzzzzzzzzzzz time |
| 23:30.04 | LeedsHK | night |
| 23:30.19 | z00dax | nite |
| 23:31.20 | rhowe | LeedsHK: I got student discount in Waterstones yesterday :) |
| 23:31.42 | murb | rhowe: you have a pet student? |
| 23:32.10 | rhowe | LeedsHK: Spent £50 or so on books and she said "Do you have a student card?" "Why yes, I do" <holds up uni card> "I've got one, but it's about 3 years out of date" "Oh, doesn't really matter. *tap*" |
| 23:32.27 | rhowe | I got a wink from her as I took the receipt :P |
| 23:32.36 | murb | rhowe: what did you get off? |
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| 23:32.48 | rhowe | murb: About a fiver |
| 23:32.50 | rhowe | murb: 10% |
| 23:33.11 | murb | so not bad. |
| 23:33.15 | rhowe | Not really :) |
| 23:33.18 | rhowe | Definitely worth it |
| 23:35.53 | LeedsHK | nice |
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