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00:08.56 | wethrin | yo pdr |
00:09.06 | pdr | yo yo, sup? |
00:09.18 | wethrin | computer being bitchizzzz |
00:10.04 | pdr | werd |
00:10.29 | pdr | thems got me bitchen |
00:10.37 | wethrin | aye |
00:10.56 | pdr | anyway, how's uni treating you? |
00:11.09 | wethrin | It's treating me okay |
00:11.25 | pdr | do you have a fresher/orientation week or something |
00:11.37 | wethrin | still slow going. But hopefully I'll be mostly written up by this time next year. Ha! |
00:11.43 | wethrin | *hopefully* |
00:11.50 | pdr | heh :-) |
00:11.55 | wethrin | Freshers' "week" was from Sunday to Wednesday |
00:12.05 | wethrin | Term officially started on Thursday |
00:12.19 | wethrin | I get the joys of teaching undergrads in labs again this coming Thursday |
00:12.25 | pdr | yay! |
00:12.34 | pdr | what subjects? |
00:12.45 | wethrin | Electronics, as part of Engineering |
00:12.50 | pdr | ah, i see |
00:12.50 | wethrin | At least there's a few cute undergrads |
00:12.57 | pdr | good to hear |
00:13.07 | wethrin | indeed. Pity most of them aren't single |
00:13.08 | wethrin | Oh well |
00:13.11 | pdr | except if they're, like, northern types or something |
00:13.15 | wethrin | Heh |
00:13.34 | pdr | not that there's anything wrong with northern types, just the ones I seemed to attract a few years ago |
00:13.34 | wethrin | There's a lot of southerners up here |
00:13.39 | wethrin | aye |
00:13.43 | pdr | yeah i figured |
00:13.55 | pdr | how way man |
00:14.32 | pdr | anyway, wouldn't that be stretching teacher-student relations a bit? |
00:15.06 | wethrin | Not really in this case |
00:15.23 | wethrin | It's not quite so formalised |
00:15.51 | pdr | fair enough |
00:15.57 | pdr | but you're still on the payroll |
00:16.00 | wethrin | true |
00:16.23 | wethrin | Don't think anyone would mind. We're all adults here now :) |
00:16.36 | pdr | ha! |
00:16.51 | wethrin | Well, quite |
00:17.22 | pdr | how is the relationship front then? |
00:17.28 | wethrin | Lacking, still |
00:17.28 | pdr | existant? |
00:17.31 | pdr | oh |
00:17.49 | pdr | well, at least you have time to work on your thesis |
00:17.51 | wethrin | I'm just not very good at picking the right crowds it seems :) |
00:18.08 | wethrin | Experimental work ATM, anyway :) Thesis writing should start around February-ish |
00:18.09 | pdr | you should have done nursing |
00:18.49 | wethrin | But I'm not interested in that. Tradeoff....interesting subjects, getting the chicks |
00:19.48 | pdr | i remember at uni there were some enterprising students who arranged joint engineering and arts "harbour cruises" and pub nights etc. Worked quite well. |
00:20.01 | wethrin | nice. They're not that organised here |
00:20.51 | pdr | the best thing about harbour cruises is that no-one can leave until the end, unlike the unibar where if it's just a bunch of geeks, the girls vanish |
00:21.15 | wethrin | Trap 'em. I like it! |
00:21.45 | wethrin | So, maybe a joint Computing Society and "Happily Ever After" Society social. |
00:23.52 | pdr | sounds good |
00:24.04 | pdr | i like happy endings to socials |
00:24.15 | wethrin | Or just find more people in the orchestra :) |
00:24.31 | pdr | ooh, no steer away from those musical types |
00:25.00 | pdr | all politics and bitching and such |
00:26.27 | wethrin | Not all of them |
00:26.45 | wethrin | They're not guitar players |
00:26.50 | wethrin | (most of them aren't, anyway) |
00:27.05 | wethrin | And real hippies don't play, say, trombone :) |
00:27.35 | pdr | string players are the worst (/me plays violin/viola and a bit of guitar) |
00:27.49 | wethrin | Yes, they often are :-P |
00:28.02 | pdr | but the brass section are always too loud |
00:28.02 | wethrin | double-bass players can be okay |
00:28.09 | pdr | yeah, definitely |
00:28.31 | pdr | nice |
00:28.34 | wethrin | Indeed |
00:29.52 | wethrin | Gnah. I've got Dvorak's 9th symphony going round in my head |
00:30.29 | wethrin | We've actually got far too many flutes in the orchestra I'm playing in |
00:30.48 | pdr | that's not normally too much of a problem |
00:30.56 | wethrin | Shoot half of them? |
00:31.01 | pdr | heh |
00:31.22 | pdr | get them to play violin parts and fire the strings section |
00:32.06 | wethrin | Ooh, good idea! Except the violins are better than the flutes |
00:33.30 | wethrin | Right. I notice it's half one, so I really should be getting a good night's sleep, ready for some hex editing tomorrow |
00:33.39 | pdr | joy |
00:33.43 | wethrin | yeah |
00:33.51 | pdr | ok mate, sleep well then |
00:33.55 | wethrin | cheers |
00:33.57 | wethrin | take care! |
00:34.00 | pdr | later |
00:34.06 | wethrin | nn |
00:47.08 | z0d | "The problem with political jokes is they get elected." |
04:59.16 | morsing | 'morning |
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06:24.45 | morsing | Leeds! |
06:25.42 | Leeds | yes... |
06:25.52 | morsing | 'morning. You're cheerful today... |
06:25.57 | morsing | How was your flight? |
06:26.31 | Leeds | flight was good - got upgraded at the gate :-) |
06:26.51 | morsing | :) Mmm... Whisky> |
06:27.02 | Leeds | so when I gave them my boarding pass, the machine beeped, they wrote a new seat number and gave it back to me with a smile |
06:27.30 | Leeds | getting my bags from the cargo terminal was a bit of a nightmare, but *did* save me about £1000 |
06:28.59 | Leeds | got an email about an hour before I landed inviting me to a party on the beach, so I got in to my mate's place, dumped my bags (taxi cost a *fortune* from the airport - about £24!), then went to the beach :-) |
06:31.05 | Leeds | this morning, I went out, found where I was, walked to one building I was interested in, but there didn't seem to be anyone around, went and had an omlette at a cafe, walked down to the ferry, stopping on the way to call another building (full for at least the next 3 weeks)... |
06:50.06 | morsing | Mmm... Beac |
06:50.07 | morsing | h |
06:56.24 | Leeds | yesterday was the Mid-Autumn Festival - aka the Moon Festival - so the beaches were full of people with candles and glowsticks, watching the moon, barbecuing, etc. |
07:00.15 | Leeds | woo - *finally* got the money back which Virgin owed me for a cancelled flight in July |
07:02.47 | Leeds | oh, and for the record... when I called up to cancel my home insurance before I left (because I've replaced it with landlord's insurance) I was told that the insurers were closed for the day and the easiest thing was to cancel my direct debit - once they realised I'd stopped paying them, they'd cancel my policy automatically :-) |
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07:07.11 | Leeds | afternoon Spudulike |
07:10.40 | Spudulike | Could be. 'pends where you are in the world. Make a good argument for Internet time or what ever they tried to call it! |
07:10.53 | Spudulike | How are you doing? |
07:14.23 | Leeds | not bad... had a busy day, and now trying not to fall asleep on my mate's sofa |
07:16.31 | Leeds | as I said before you got here... I got an email about an hour before I landed inviting me to a beach party, then when I said I might just crash I was told to "just get [my] arse out to shek o and let us celebrate your return" |
07:17.10 | Spudulike | Ah, a sofa surfer ;-) |
07:18.11 | Spudulike | Well, you can always sleep tomorrow! |
07:18.33 | Leeds | I'd be in bed if I could get the wireless working - I've borrowed a network cable and it only stretches as far as the sofa :-) |
07:19.09 | Leeds | oh, and I screwed up slightly on the way in and ended up with a 3-day visa... |
07:19.41 | Spudulike | Visa for where, HK? |
07:20.04 | Leeds | yeah |
07:20.34 | Leeds | my original work visa ends on Monday, and I entered HK on it, rather than as a visitor who would get 6 months |
07:21.39 | Leeds | of course, my original work visa should have been cancelled when I was no longer employed... |
07:22.12 | Spudulike | Is there an easy get out of this "screw-up"? Will you need to go 'underground'? |
07:23.48 | Leeds | I'm going to have a word with the immigration people on Monday - can't speak to them today because although Saturday is technically a working day in HK, today is a public holiday so they're closed |
07:23.59 | Leeds | I *might* end up just leaving HK and re-entering |
07:25.17 | Leeds | I've just got to be slightly careful, because I'm not sure if I'm technically allowed to look for work on a visitor's visa - I couldn't start working until I've got an employment visa, but if I said I wanted to find a job then apply for a visa, would they make trouble? |
07:25.36 | Spudulike | HK has a 6 day working week? LEAVE NOW! |
07:27.16 | Leeds | the government moved to a 5-day working week about a month ago, although public-facing services still run on Saturday - except public holidays... the banks moved over to a 5-day clearing week at the same time, but again, branches which were open on Saturday will still be open, it's just that clearing will be delayed |
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08:00.01 | serris | morning |
08:53.01 | morsing | serris! |
08:53.12 | morsing | Spudulike! Man, what are you doing here :) |
08:57.12 | Spudulike | morsing, just dropping by, man. |
09:13.05 | morsing | :) |
09:32.54 | mozrat | Leeds, ever played with imaplib in Python? |
09:33.14 | sabinef72 | mozzie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
09:33.21 | mozrat | hello! |
09:34.13 | mozrat | lucky morsing!! |
09:35.47 | sabinef72 | oops |
09:36.38 | mozrat | G'Morning too |
09:37.05 | sabinef72 | how are you ? |
09:37.21 | mozrat | Tired - been working too much |
09:38.21 | sabinef72 | yes someone told me you were out of UK this week |
09:38.47 | mozrat | yeah, went to spain |
09:39.01 | sabinef72 | where exactly in Spain ? |
09:39.01 | mozrat | was fun, but tiring, and today I'm helping someone with a project in Amsterdam |
09:39.10 | mozrat | I'm in London.. helping from home |
09:39.18 | sabinef72 | ok I see |
09:39.22 | mozrat | I was in Barcelona for a day and then Madrid |
09:39.27 | sabinef72 | you are an international buiseness man |
09:42.39 | morsing | sabinef72! |
09:42.45 | morsing | mozrat! |
09:44.22 | sabinef72 | hmm sunny day |
09:45.35 | mozrat | sabinef72: not really |
09:45.38 | mozrat | morsing: hello! |
09:45.55 | mozrat | both: I figured out how to append messages to an IMAP mailbox using imaplib! |
09:45.56 | sabinef72 | mozrat: I was teasing you |
09:45.58 | mozrat | yay for me |
09:46.27 | sabinef72 | I know we don't have the same humour..... |
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09:47.44 | sabinef72 | morsing: what Dane people thinks about english humour ? |
09:53.43 | sabinef72 | well.... |
09:55.50 | Leeds | mozrat: yes, I have - I wrote an imap webmail client for my sister |
09:57.47 | Leeds | but I see you solved your problem |
09:58.19 | morsing | sabinef72: English people don't have that much humor |
09:58.32 | morsing | Nothing like danish humor but danish humor is quite extreme |
09:58.44 | morsing | It's sunny here :) |
09:59.38 | sabinef72 | I think mozrat is working like a beaver so he doesn't have time for laugh with me |
10:03.38 | mozrat | sabinef72: unfortunately true :)( |
10:03.58 | mozrat | Hello Leeds - where fore art thou? |
10:04.25 | mozrat | Leeds: I worked it out - I was trying to append a message read with f.readlines() rather than f.read() |
10:08.00 | Leeds | mozrat: in my mate's place in Hong Kong |
10:08.52 | Leeds | need to get a) my own place b) a proper visa (rather than the 3 days I currently have) and c) a job |
10:09.36 | mozrat | Sounds like bother to me |
10:10.08 | Leeds | got to be done though |
10:10.41 | Leeds | in the short term, what I've got to get is some food, pretty soon - all I've eaten today is an omlette, 3 slices of toast, and a green salad |
10:11.14 | Leeds | no idea if the acupunture in my ear is helping, or if it's just jetlag, but considering that, I don't feel starving |
10:15.51 | sabinef72 | Leeds: are you back in Hong Kong ? |
10:20.18 | Leeds | sabinef72: yes |
10:44.40 | keithlard_ | wizzo for spain! |
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10:50.13 | sabinef72 | Leeds: are you tired ? |
10:50.38 | Leeds | yes, very |
10:50.57 | Leeds | it's almost 7pm - I'm going to go out and find some dinner soon, then plan for an early night |
10:51.12 | sabinef72 | have fun ! |
10:52.46 | Leeds | will do :-) |
11:28.16 | trousers | Good afternoon all |
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11:44.04 | david_ | hey hey y'all |
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11:52.31 | z00dax | david_: ! |
11:52.39 | david_ | yes! |
11:52.49 | z00dax | is that you ? really ? David ? |
11:53.00 | z00dax | oh no, its the edmundson variety/ |
11:53.02 | wethrin | morning |
11:53.07 | David_edmundson | sorry |
11:53.07 | z00dax | wethrin: ! |
11:53.11 | wethrin | Hi! |
11:53.20 | z00dax | edmundson's good.! |
11:53.30 | wethrin | After coffee, I shall either attempt RAID hackery, or nip out ot the shops |
11:53.32 | David_edmundson | I like to think so. |
11:53.47 | David_edmundson | don't get confused and to a shop raid. |
11:53.47 | z00dax | its sunny |
11:53.49 | sabinef72 | hello z00dax |
11:53.53 | z00dax | i should get my wasshing done. |
11:53.57 | z00dax | sabinef72: ! hola |
11:54.07 | wethrin | David_edmundson: I'll try not to |
11:54.09 | sabinef72 | z00dax: how are you ? |
11:54.16 | wethrin | z00dax: You do your washing outdoors? |
11:54.39 | z00dax | wethrin: no, but post washing, clothes usually need a bit of air |
11:55.04 | wethrin | Just use your oven :) |
11:55.09 | wethrin | Or a vacuum dessicator |
11:55.32 | wethrin | Actually the dessicator was good for mobile phones, less good for socks. So I've read. |
11:56.43 | z00dax | i dont have enough place, or i'd get a dedicated dryer |
11:56.54 | wethrin | Move to a bigger place :) |
11:57.26 | wethrin | Or just earn more money and hire one it. I hear there's a lot of East Europeans around :) |
11:57.26 | z00dax | I alread y live US style :) |
11:57.41 | wethrin | Eating out every night? |
11:57.45 | z00dax | there's a thought |
11:58.24 | trousers | Hmm, has anybody's LinuxWorld Expo badge arrived yet? |
11:58.35 | z00dax | no. us style - in that i live in a 2.5 bed house, a large'ish living room, and the kitchet + dinning area isnt bad, the conservitory makes it nice and liveable. |
11:58.47 | z00dax | for a single guy - its a massive effort keeping the place in order :( |
11:59.14 | z00dax | the last cleaner I had, was Eastern European yes, rather *cute* decided I might do as a boy friend, so she had to ge the sack rather quick |
11:59.15 | z0d | wethrin: I don't think you need much money to do that <-: (regarding East Europeans) |
11:59.35 | z00dax | I am now on the lookout for someone 60+ |
12:00.00 | z00dax | hopefully wont have the same issue then. or if i did - I'd need to move from here :) |
12:00.22 | wethrin | oh dear :) |
12:00.39 | wethrin | z0d: Specially if you throw in a place to live and eat? :) |
12:00.53 | z00dax | :D |
12:01.07 | z0d | Yeah, that'll do. <-: |
12:01.22 | z00dax | but i do need to atleast start looking at moving closer into town - the commute to Kentish Town, from Bexley is quite a time sink |
12:01.40 | wethrin | Don't you get the train that avoids Zone 1? |
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12:02.20 | z00dax | I drive to Greenwich, park there, get the tube to LondonBridge, change for NorternLine to Kentish Town |
12:02.40 | z00dax | its almost an hour 40 in the mornings, even though i only start at 11 |
12:03.08 | z00dax | or some absurd reason, i can get back home from work in exactly an hour and 5 |
12:03.50 | David_edmundson | where do you guys work then? |
12:04.07 | z00dax | David_edmundson: i do 4 days/week in Kentish town, and 1 day/week in Canary Warf |
12:04.22 | wethrin | Eww. Northern Line |
12:04.22 | David_edmundson | how random. |
12:04.40 | David_edmundson | nothing can be worse than Croydon tramlink |
12:04.46 | wethrin | z00dax: Maybe the southbound Northern Line is much quicker than the northbound? :) |
12:04.51 | z00dax | wethrin: i know :( i saw a nice place in Clapham, which I would live to move to - but, its the Northerline all the way |
12:04.56 | wethrin | David_edmundson: Is it run by Firstgroup? |
12:05.04 | trousers | *Apologise in advance* Do any of your companies do work experience? *Winces in anticipation of beating* |
12:05.20 | David_edmundson | as in an intern year? |
12:05.35 | trousers | 2 weeks :) |
12:05.39 | David_edmundson | oh |
12:05.45 | wethrin | David_edmundson: He's only a youngster |
12:05.51 | wethrin | He needs to be let into the real world gently |
12:05.59 | David_edmundson | I'd like to think I am too. |
12:06.08 | wethrin | I bet he's younger :) |
12:06.38 | David_edmundson | dagnabbit.I'll have to kidnap a child to win this conversation. |
12:06.46 | trousers | :/ |
12:06.56 | David_edmundson | then I'll get arrested and it'll all be your fault |
12:07.09 | wethrin | Hah! |
12:07.11 | trousers | Hmm, well, do any of yuour companies offer any work experience? |
12:08.11 | trousers | wethrin: Yes, but my school will rape me if I don't do it |
12:08.14 | wethrin | 2 weeks is hardly enough time to get anything useful done |
12:08.57 | z0d | Found your own company. |
12:09.00 | z0d | Does that count? |
12:09.08 | boudiccas | get yourself a summer holiday job, you'll see more work then and get paid for it too |
12:09.20 | David_edmundson | wethrin: I think part of the idea is to get a lot of the kids stacking shelves, and they'll think "I don't want to do this anymore" and work harder in their GCSE's |
12:09.40 | wethrin | David_edmundson: I thought that was the idea of Saturday jobs |
12:09.50 | David_edmundson | teehee |
12:09.54 | David_edmundson | maybe. |
12:10.06 | trousers | David_edmundson: I think that's part of the idea; but my school is fairly decent, slightly above the general scum in my area -_- |
12:11.15 | David_edmundson | you could try emailing our company. www.feral.co.uk (based in Putney) it's very small, but you can have a shot. |
12:11.34 | trousers | Oooh, Putney, that's not too far |
12:11.35 | trousers | Cheers |
12:11.42 | David_edmundson | you'd have to play games all day. |
12:11.49 | trousers | Oh no! |
12:12.32 | trousers | No actual code development, then? |
12:12.36 | z0d | Solitaire? |
12:12.51 | David_edmundson | "the Movies" and "Imperial Glory" at the moment |
12:13.26 | David_edmundson | don't mention I sent you or anything |
12:13.37 | David_edmundson | I'm just the intern. |
12:15.41 | trousers | Okay, cheers, I just sent a quick e-mail |
12:16.09 | David_edmundson | awesome, what did it say? |
12:17.15 | trousers | I am currently seeking work experience from 02/07/07 - 13/07/07, and being interested in computer science, naturally have an urge to get work experience at a location like Feral Interactive. I would wish to seek work experience at Feral Interactive, preferably in the area of software development/system administration. |
12:17.15 | trousers | Enclosed is my CV in plaintext. |
12:17.22 | trousers | General blagging |
12:17.25 | David_edmundson | smooth. |
12:19.31 | boudiccas | anyone use BackupPC as part of their backup strategy? |
12:20.00 | David_edmundson | nah, cp works for me. |
12:20.53 | z00dax | boudiccas: yes. |
12:21.15 | boudiccas | z00dax; i'm talking to hughesjr atm about it :) |
12:21.23 | boudiccas | thanks though :) |
12:21.54 | wethrin | tar is better |
12:22.09 | z00dax | heh |
12:22.40 | wethrin | Hm. I don't feel like moving out of the house |
12:22.45 | boudiccas | too cold for the proper usga eof tar atm |
12:22.49 | z00dax | lazy |
12:22.56 | wethrin | So I suppose I'd better make an attempt at doing RAID recovery |
12:22.57 | wethrin | Wooo |
12:23.03 | wethrin | hex editing-- # hassle |
12:23.17 | wethrin | And I grew out of it ~10 years ago :) |
12:26.38 | wethrin | Hm. Anyone interested in a job lot of 33 hard drives? (mix of laptop and 3.5") |
12:26.50 | David_edmundson | what sort of sizes? |
12:26.53 | trousers | As in to have? |
12:27.08 | wethrin | No. |
12:27.17 | David_edmundson | to look at? |
12:27.30 | wethrin | David_edmundson: "All drives are no bigger than 40GB a few are 20GB, most laptop drives appear to be ~10GB or lower" |
12:27.45 | wethrin | £102 on eBay ATM, with 13 bids |
12:27.51 | David_edmundson | hmm, I have a big enough pile on my windowsill for now. |
12:27.57 | wethrin | heh |
12:28.32 | David_edmundson | with small drives you tend to run out of IDE connectors after a while. |
12:28.44 | wethrin | Depends what you need them for, really |
12:29.01 | wethrin | Surely you just use a small boot drive, and mount the rest from your SAN? |
12:29.15 | David_edmundson | SAN? |
12:29.45 | David_edmundson | storage accross network |
12:30.36 | wethrin | Storage Area Network |
12:30.44 | David_edmundson | ah |
12:30.47 | David_edmundson | close enough. |
12:31.03 | David_edmundson | t'is the way my setup is. |
12:31.20 | wethrin | :) |
12:32.25 | wethrin | I still need to set up my SAN thing |
12:33.09 | David_edmundson | I just have a small PC in my wardrobe. |
12:33.34 | David_edmundson | then stuffed full of HD's |
12:33.54 | wethrin | But exported over NFS / SMB? |
12:34.23 | David_edmundson | SMB |
12:34.56 | David_edmundson | other housemates are Windows users, samba works nicely with everyone |
12:35.04 | wethrin | It'll give you nice friendly eBay auction links |
12:35.12 | wethrin | So that'd be a NAS, rather than SAN |
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12:35.42 | mikejw | :) |
12:35.46 | wethrin | mikejw: Still quite pricy |
12:35.57 | wethrin | You can get A1000s and D1000s cheaper |
12:36.24 | mikejw | ooh coolio |
12:37.29 | wethrin | http://ebay.celestrion.net/auction/140038075986 |
12:37.31 | wethrin | WANT! |
12:37.49 | mikejw | lol |
12:38.38 | mikejw | the hardware I mean |
12:38.47 | wethrin | I suppose making an offer of £500 would just be risible |
12:39.08 | mikejw | mabes |
12:39.29 | wethrin | Given 1TB costs £500 |
12:41.57 | wethrin | Get both! |
12:42.09 | mikejw | lol |
12:42.12 | mikejw | :) |
12:42.12 | wethrin | 3TB of disk, RAID10, gives you redundancy |
12:42.17 | wethrin | And 1.5TB usable |
12:42.37 | mikejw | I like the look of the A1000 :P |
12:43.19 | wethrin | I think the A1000 is JBOD |
12:44.23 | mikejw | oh I see |
12:44.55 | wethrin | Or maybe it's the D1000 :) |
12:44.58 | boudiccas | z00dax; you still here? before heading out somewhere else :) ? |
12:45.07 | wethrin | Fuck! £10 for a D1000, plus £20 delivery |
12:45.10 | wethrin | No disks, though |
12:46.12 | wethrin | Only 260W input power |
12:46.28 | mikejw | hmm |
12:47.44 | wethrin | Ah. A1000 is RAID |
12:47.46 | wethrin | D1000 is JBOD |
12:47.54 | mikejw | :D |
12:53.52 | David_edmundson | what kind of drives? |
12:53.56 | David_edmundson | SCSI? |
12:54.05 | wethrin | Yeah |
12:54.08 | wethrin | SCA |
12:54.17 | wethrin | But you need the Sun brackets |
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12:57.11 | wethrin | They're £4 each from a place on eBay |
12:59.02 | wethrin | *tempting |
12:59.04 | David_edmundson | good idea |
13:00.44 | wethrin | Given I don't need it |
13:02.02 | mikejw | :) |
13:11.05 | boudiccas | anyone any good at disgnosing h/w problems online please? |
13:13.32 | boudiccas | this pc runs quite normally with no problems until i start folding [folding@home, a SETI-like program] when the cpu temperature rises from its current 45'c to about 50'c, then the screen freezes and both the mouse and keyboard totally lock-up, and the only way out is to press the warm reset button. Anyone any ideas please? |
13:17.58 | Leeds | boudiccas: don't fun f@h |
13:18.06 | boudiccas | Leeds; yes, unfortunately. it seems that whenever i put any load on it, it rools over and dies [figuratively speaking] |
13:18.19 | boudiccas | doesn't solve the underlying problem though |
13:21.13 | wethrin | Blarg |
13:21.21 | wethrin | Heat-related issue, most likely |
13:21.28 | wethrin | Try a better fan, or some new thermal paste |
13:21.50 | boudiccas | wethrin; yes, both might be a solution |
13:34.07 | boudiccas | can memtest be run whilst i'm logged in? |
13:34.28 | morsing | Moo |
13:34.37 | boudiccas | mieouw |
13:38.12 | wethrin | no |
13:38.21 | wethrin | It needs a boot disk |
13:38.25 | wethrin | It scans *all* the memory |
13:40.09 | boudiccas | thats rather what i htought from my experiments at running it whilst logged in |
13:40.23 | Leeds | uh, yeah |
13:40.38 | Leeds | hmm... I assume that means it moves itself around in memory while it's running... |
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14:49.59 | sabinef72 | morsing: are you here ? |
14:50.39 | rhowe | Leeds: Are you still in the UK? |
14:50.58 | david_edmundson | rhowe: yes, it's by Manchester still. |
14:51.27 | rhowe | david_edmundson: *groan* |
14:52.03 | david_edmundson | in fairness it was comedy genius. |
14:52.06 | david_edmundson | I'll shut up now. |
14:53.18 | morsing | sabinef72: I am now |
14:53.33 | morsing | rhowe: No Leeds left |
14:54.06 | rhowe | morsing: So he's in HK now? |
14:54.09 | morsing | Yes |
14:55.37 | boudiccas | well, me and my computer shop mate have decided that we'll try a new and even bigger fan to see if we can cool it down more. lets hope so :) |
15:04.02 | boudiccas | so i go in on monday and he'll shows me how to fit it [and i bet that when i do fit it i fsck it up too :{ |
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15:07.59 | hali | http://www.flickr.com/photos/akella/168307763/ *NSFW* ... dang .. :) |
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15:14.10 | wethrin | Why's Manchester been considering that? |
15:14.19 | wethrin | Isn't it a bit expensive to move an entire city? |
15:14.41 | Leeds | yeah, but it's worth it, just to avoid spending the winter in Lancashire |
15:14.54 | wethrin | Well, you have a point there :) |
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17:17.53 | serris | hi all |
17:19.28 | mozrat | hello there |
17:19.35 | serris | How's it going? |
17:22.06 | mozrat | Not bad at al |
17:22.06 | mozrat | all** |
17:22.06 | serris | : ) |
17:22.06 | mozrat | What are you up to? |
17:22.06 | serris | Not much. Just bothered to get out of bed |
17:22.20 | mozrat | you've been in bed all day? |
17:22.27 | serris | Pretty much |
17:22.41 | mozrat | Are you unwell? |
17:22.48 | serris | No. Nightshift worker ; ) |
17:22.52 | mozrat | Ahh, I see |
17:23.06 | serris | Yeah, shift starts at 10 again |
17:23.18 | mozrat | How long have you been doing that kind of work? |
17:23.22 | serris | Nearly a year |
17:24.55 | mozrat | what kind of work is it? |
17:25.07 | mozrat | Do you get a chance to sit and study or are you doing stuff all of the time? |
17:25.20 | serris | Sainsbury's |
17:25.43 | serris | I used to go to uni during the day but got bored of uni and fell asleep at worka few times so it wasn't working out. |
17:25.59 | serris | I basically stack shelves for 10 hours a night |
17:26.57 | mozrat | A friend of mine does that in the eventing |
17:27.33 | serris | It's not that bad of a job. Bit stressy but other than that we have a laugh |
17:27.59 | mozrat | plus it's work... so that's always handy to have |
17:28.05 | serris | Indeed |
17:28.37 | serris | Everyone hates it there pretty much but no one's got else where to go. The best I heard of anyone else is TESCO |
17:28.45 | mozrat | bbl |
17:28.47 | serris | Cya |
17:28.56 | boudiccas | serris; does it pay well? |
17:29.09 | boudiccas | compared with working during the daytime |
17:29.12 | serris | 8 quid an hour |
17:29.22 | boudiccas | hmm, not brilliant |
17:29.53 | boudiccas | about 300 squid a week |
17:30.05 | serris | a bit more with sunday bonuses and such |
17:30.21 | boudiccas | hmmm |
17:33.43 | serris | I was tempted to go work with me mate as an IT technician but it took him working there to get about the same pay as me. We get payed more if we work longer for Sainsbury's |
17:34.12 | boudiccas | ah, a 'loyalty' bonus :) |
17:34.29 | serris | Pretty much but it's not a lot more. I think 40p extra? |
17:34.46 | boudiccas | i was just comparing it with working as a nurse pay wise |
17:34.54 | serris | Ah |
17:35.04 | serris | How much do they get? |
17:35.20 | boudiccas | doing day shifts and night shifts, in rotation, i was getting about £18,000ish |
17:35.35 | serris | After tax? |
17:35.49 | boudiccas | day shifts were actually two, either early or late |
17:35.53 | boudiccas | before tax |
17:36.19 | boudiccas | but that was about six years ago, when i was retired |
17:36.22 | serris | Day shift is the same here. A mate of mine from work used to get about 22k a year here for doing major over time |
17:37.36 | serris | We used to get double for over time but Sainsbury's decided to be stingy so they reduced it to time and a half |
17:37.59 | boudiccas | is it soul-destroying work, where you just mentally switch off to retain your sanity? |
17:38.55 | serris | More or less. You have people walking around talking to them selves, others are singing, some are yelling at each other and fooling around by puttig the halloween masks on and running around with them |
17:39.43 | boudiccas | anything that just passes the time :) |
17:40.13 | boudiccas | but at least you wouldn't work over christmas would you? |
17:40.25 | boudiccas | unlike us who did, and new years too |
17:40.59 | serris | We work christmas |
17:41.15 | serris | I worked upto the 23rd |
17:41.19 | serris | only 3 people worked 24th |
17:41.26 | serris | then we were all back 26th |
17:41.32 | serris | or 25th? |
17:41.57 | boudiccas | i've worked on nights over christmas up to new years eve twice :( it was the pits :((( |
17:42.03 | serris | and I got new years off cause my fiancee got back from America then |
17:42.15 | serris | I hate Christmas so I don't mind |
17:42.19 | serris | The only issue is the work load |
17:42.28 | boudiccas | hmm |
17:42.37 | serris | We had a Christmas party at work |
17:43.21 | serris | Free food and free beer. The store manager grabbed 60 bottles of beer, couple of bottles of champaign and what not and just gave it to the night shift workers. So everyone walked off at 7AM with atleast 4-5 beers in them |
17:43.35 | boudiccas | lol |
17:44.12 | serris | This branch isn't too bad. I've been sent off to aid other branches like New Malden and Kingston. I liked Kingston. The Manager couldn't stop thanking me for helping them |
17:44.27 | boudiccas | we had to pay for our own christmas bash :) |
17:44.40 | serris | In New Malden I was threatened to have my mobile taken away from me and I was locked into the damn store by their manager |
17:44.50 | serris | So I swore at her and walked around the shop for an hour |
17:45.14 | boudiccas | lovely! she's got a good management style! not |
17:46.00 | serris | I know. Well I got sent over to help so basically I clock in at 10PM at my branch, jump in a taxi when it's there and go over to their branch. 30 Minute trip. I work there with them 'till 6:30 and get back to my branch by 7 due to my manager telling me to do so |
17:46.27 | boudiccas | so what hour is a night shift? |
17:46.38 | serris | I got there, got hell for being "late" and then they informed me I am not permitted to leave untill 7 as they are paying me to stay there 'till 7. I told them they're more than welcome to call my manager and discuss it with him but she refused |
17:46.45 | boudiccas | ours was from 2100 to 0745 |
17:47.13 | serris | Then the cabby rang me to see where I was and she threatened to take my phone away if I used it again. So I was just walking around after that and bothered to put out 1 case |
17:47.17 | serris | 10PM - 8AM |
17:47.38 | boudiccas | a ten hour shift, hmm |
17:48.02 | serris | With an hour and 5 minutes break |
17:48.15 | boudiccas | a five day week? |
17:48.49 | serris | 4 |
17:49.41 | boudiccas | can you do overtime if you want? or only if its available? |
17:49.59 | serris | Technically when it's available but we are usually short so there is pretty much always over time |
17:50.24 | boudiccas | interesting |
17:50.26 | serris | A mate of mine managed to do an avarege of 2 day OT a week |
17:51.03 | serris | He used to get about 2k+ a month |
17:51.18 | boudiccas | you're doing a good job of selling it to me you know :) |
17:51.38 | serris | haha |
17:51.53 | boudiccas | does every store have night workers or just mainline big london ones? |
17:52.03 | serris | Most do |
17:52.17 | serris | We didn't for a while cause of cost cut |
17:52.41 | boudiccas | hmmm |
17:57.38 | serris | Our branch has no money |
17:57.50 | serris | :D so we can't afford gloves |
17:58.24 | serris | They're meant to provide us with boots. I got a size smaller used boots since they had no more and the pair don't even match. One's an 8 1/2 the other's an 8 |
17:59.14 | serris | They had no insoles. The managers can never be pleased. The job's unfair, if you work hard, they'll always work you hard. If you're lazy, they do nothing |
17:59.28 | serris | Nothing about it* |
17:59.55 | boudiccas | hmm, inadequeate protective clothing |
17:59.59 | serris | So I usually tell people if they really need a job I'll try to get them on night shift but other wise it's just a temporary job |
18:00.43 | serris | Indeed. The high visability jackets are scarce. They are stricter on them since some guy got crushed to death by a lory at a depo due to not having a high vis jacket |
18:01.02 | boudiccas | my local branch doesn't have any vacancies atm, just phoned to check, but are quite happy for me to complete an application form |
18:01.13 | boudiccas | might be useful with christmas coming up |
18:01.26 | serris | Indeed |
18:02.40 | serris | I just got in cause one of the lads I went to college with is a supervisor from day shift |
18:02.48 | boudiccas | do they get paid more for working on the tills? |
18:02.54 | serris | So he signed my application form and it went through the next day unlike most |
18:03.17 | serris | Haha no. They get basic pay which is 6.12 at first. Then 6.45 after 3 month |
18:03.24 | boudiccas | sounds like 'who you know', the old boys netwrok :) |
18:03.27 | serris | We get 6.45 plus night shift bonus |
18:03.59 | serris | Pretty much. There are about 2 job vacancies out to the public. For instore staff there are entire message boards with big letters "IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO WORK HERE...." |
18:05.03 | serris | Our store used to be much more lax on uniforms and such. We could work in tracksuits, jeans, whatever tshirt we wanted |
18:05.13 | serris | Now we get threatened to be sent home if we don't wear the uniform |
18:05.42 | boudiccas | i just phoned them up, might be worth having a chat with them face to face. uniform for night shifts? why? no customer is going to be seeing you are they? |
18:06.10 | serris | I agree |
18:07.06 | serris | Not many of us really care. I get put on BWS (beers, wines, spirits) and I get a lot of work, no help so I can't work in 2 layers (my tshirt plus the sainsbury's tshirt over). I was told if it gets too hot to take my tshirt off and use the sainsbury's one. |
18:07.30 | boudiccas | mad! |
18:07.37 | serris | We are allowed music, we are allowed to shout and joke around |
18:07.45 | boudiccas | big of them |
18:08.02 | serris | Esp. since the duty managers don't have to wear a uniform ; ) |
18:08.23 | serris | Our manager doesn't flip out if our phone rings during the shift |
18:08.37 | boudiccas | do you have to wash the uniform yourselves, or are changing room facilities etc provided? |
18:08.40 | serris | He only gets anal about things if he gets a bollocking from above |
18:08.52 | boudiccas | mobile phones now are part of everyday life :) |
18:09.09 | serris | Changing rooms are provided. The only people that are not allowed to wash their uniforms at home are the bakery people |
18:09.19 | serris | We have to wash it our selves. |
18:09.41 | serris | Well look at it this way. My manager hates phones. He won't always pick it up. Half the time we have music blaring and they don't hear the phone ring |
18:09.54 | boudiccas | and is only one uniform provided which has to be washed/dried/ironed on your off days? |
18:10.05 | serris | So if my fiancee needs to reach me, I feel much better if she rings my phone than the store |
18:10.51 | serris | 2 tshirts. 1 long sleeve and 1 short sleeve. I think we got a pair of pants at the enduction but I've been wearing the same one since I joined. don't know what I did with the other |
18:11.16 | serris | But as I said, up untill the crack down on having us wear uniform, I just walked around in a pair of trackies |
18:11.22 | boudiccas | 'pair of pants'? they provide underwear! |
18:11.32 | serris | No, work trousers |
18:11.35 | serris | : ) |
18:11.47 | trousers | serris: Hmm? |
18:11.47 | boudiccas | ah, right. an americanism |
18:11.54 | serris | >< |
18:12.15 | serris | My fiancee is American. Some things just rub off on me |
18:12.20 | trousers | Ah, right, sorry, the window started flashing :) |
18:12.23 | boudiccas | fair enough :) |
18:12.28 | serris | Hehe no worries trousers |
18:13.23 | serris | Other branches aren't as good. Not allowed music, everyone has to be in silence. Here we can have our MP3 players with us, sing, some people dance around the aisles. So a bunch of crazy people |
18:13.49 | serris | Only thing I dislike is the fact that they are planning to demolish the smoking roos in all Sainsbury's branches |
18:14.16 | serris | And now that non of my manager's smoke, I don't think we'll be allowed to walk out infront of the store for a quick smoke during breaks |
18:15.31 | boudiccas | the smoking room at the hospital where i used to work was the absolute pitts, like the very bowels of hell, it stank horribly |
18:15.41 | serris | Ours does too |
18:15.51 | serris | The roof used to be all yellow and the fan grills black |
18:15.55 | boudiccas | bbiamo2 |
18:16.02 | serris | I've only seen it cleaned once |
18:19.26 | boudiccas | oh yuk |
18:20.07 | serris | Indeed |
18:20.15 | boudiccas | serris; what distro you using please? I'm just nosy |
18:20.24 | serris | Fluxbuntu rev2 |
18:20.51 | boudiccas | had to read that carefully to understand, a variant of debian then :) |
18:20.57 | boudiccas | I'm using centos 4.4 |
18:21.25 | serris | It's basically Ubuntu but much more of a lightweight distro with Fluxbox window manager |
18:21.48 | boudiccas | did you go straight onto nights or did you have orientation and day shifts for a time |
18:21.54 | trousers | boudiccas: What is CentOS like? |
18:22.02 | serris | Straight to nights |
18:22.09 | serris | Before this I worked as an IT tech |
18:22.10 | boudiccas | very good , stable ond long-lasting |
18:22.23 | serris | I used to use FreeBSD |
18:22.28 | trousers | boudiccas: I might give it a whirl comtime |
18:22.30 | trousers | *sometime |
18:22.37 | boudiccas | serris; bit of a change isn't it? |
18:22.40 | serris | but for some reason I couldn't get xorg to setup correctly and rc1 of Fluxbox wouldn't install |
18:23.01 | boudiccas | trousers; i like it, i've been using it for 11 months now and don't want to use anything else |
18:23.25 | serris | Well I started linux on Slackware 10.1 and then ventured through Fedora Core 1,2,3; Slackware 10.2, Ubuntu, Kubuntu and FreeBSD |
18:24.27 | boudiccas | i started with suse 8.2, redhat 9, whitebox 3, fc2,3,4 and now centos |
18:24.28 | serris | I like the hardware support out of the box with Ubuntu, but dislike gnome and the bloat that comes with it |
18:24.51 | boudiccas | serris; i agree with you, give me kde anyday :))) |
18:25.03 | serris | I primarily use an IBM T42 and with Ubuntu, pretty much everyone's supported out of the box |
18:25.24 | serris | everythings* |
18:26.47 | serris | I still run FreeBSD on my server |
18:27.01 | boudiccas | i always found that i was grumpy as hell before a night shift, and wasn't fit to hold a polite conversation with. and then afterwards i'd just do my usual things, watching tv, have a fag or two, perhaps a drink or two and then go to bed about 1000ish and get up at about 1830 |
18:27.58 | boudiccas | basically i just used to reverse my day |
18:28.22 | serris | I used to get home from work 8:30ish. Go to bed around 3 or 4 and sleep 'till 9. But I had a much harder time at work waking up so I started sleeping at about 10 'till 4 or 5 and then I was fine |
18:29.02 | boudiccas | yes, everybody has to learn what and how their body copes with working nights |
18:29.22 | serris | Yeah. One of my friends sleeps maybe 2 hours avarege |
18:30.06 | boudiccas | i did work with one nurse who never slept at all in her 6-day stretch of nights. she was a bloody wreck and dangerous too. she left soon after, saying that she couldn't cope with working nights |
18:31.02 | serris | Some people can do it. Others can't. I used to stay up on the PC all night then sleep a little during the day and then up all night again so it wasn't taht much of a problem for me to work nights |
18:31.24 | boudiccas | are you permanent nights? |
18:31.47 | boudiccas | or do you rotate to day shifts too |
18:31.51 | serris | Plus I don't have to deal with customers. I only had to deal with them a few times. One lady waved a box of strawberrys into my face asking me "This is 1.69 quid! It says it is the half price. What is it half of?" |
18:32.03 | boudiccas | lol |
18:32.06 | serris | I didn't know wether to laugh or just feel sorry for her |
18:32.11 | serris | I'm permenant nights |
18:33.03 | boudiccas | that plays hell with the metabolism, working permanant night shifts |
18:33.45 | boudiccas | i don't mind rotating days to nights and back again, but that poses problems too |
18:34.01 | serris | Some people do that |
18:34.01 | boudiccas | anyway, its all hypothetical atm |
18:34.17 | serris | A few of them work days 3 days a week and come do night shift 1 night a week |
18:34.20 | serris | Usually saturday |
18:34.27 | boudiccas | at least i wouldnt be dealing with vomit or poo |
18:34.29 | serris | Cause you get 8 hours of sunday bonus |
18:34.38 | serris | that's true |
18:34.50 | boudiccas | or dealing with dead people |
18:35.02 | serris | Well I don't think anyone died at ours as of yet |
18:35.15 | boudiccas | and long may it remain so :) |
18:35.24 | serris | But we had one of my friends knocked out by 60 lbs of oranges falling on his head |
18:35.26 | boudiccas | i worked on the cancer ward of my local hospital |
18:35.51 | boudiccas | bet he got the 'juice' taken out of him :) |
18:36.01 | serris | lol aye |
18:36.07 | serris | He carried on working after though |
18:36.28 | boudiccas | after he'd come round :) |
18:36.30 | serris | It's not bad of a job, depending on where they put you |
18:36.50 | boudiccas | which department, like bws, etc? |
18:37.11 | serris | Yeah. They trained me up to be able to do all the departments |
18:37.16 | serris | But there are just some places they'll never put me |
18:37.21 | serris | Such as health and beauty |
18:37.29 | serris | I'm not gonna do any work there and they know it |
18:37.36 | boudiccas | why not? sex discrimination? |
18:38.08 | serris | Nah. Everything looks the same. My hands are too big so when I'm pulling stock forward everything around me falls off, I don't know where most of it goes so I doodle around wondering where to put things |
18:38.28 | serris | So at 7:30AM I had 6 people helping me finish :D |
18:38.46 | boudiccas | doodle, doodle, doodle............ sounds like fun :)))) |
18:38.59 | serris | BWS is a tough one |
18:39.13 | boudiccas | basically just lugging water wround |
18:39.18 | boudiccas | *around |
18:39.34 | serris | yeah. Waters is nice though unless you get 25 rollers (cages) |
18:39.57 | boudiccas | i'd leave them for you to do :) |
18:40.02 | serris | hehe |
18:40.15 | serris | brb smoking |
18:40.40 | boudiccas | look serris its been nice chatting, and you've given me some things to think about, but i'm off to watch a film now. maybe chat another night? |
18:44.46 | serris | Sure. I'm off tomorrow night : ) and I got work in 2 hours |
18:45.16 | serris | So I'll talk to you later |
19:24.48 | mozrat | http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/photos/20061007-hairbegone/ |
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20:54.13 | JAV | hello |
20:58.50 | mozrat | http://www.google.com/codesearch?hl=en&lr=&q=%22smoking+crack%22&btnG=Search |
20:58.54 | mozrat | 'lo JAV |
21:05.58 | popey | mozrat! |
21:09.48 | popey | http://www.google.com/codesearch?hl=en&lr=&q=%22fucking+crap%22&btnG=Search |
21:22.28 | *** join/#gllug sabinef72_ (i=sabinef7@barcelone.ipv6.popipo.fr) |
21:23.33 | sabinef72 | hi |
21:30.32 | mozrat | http://www.google.com/codesearch?hl=en&lr=&q=%22i+hate+microsoft%22&btnG=Search |
21:30.35 | mozrat | hi sabinef72 |
21:31.04 | sabinef72 | ho hooo mozzie !!! |
21:31.10 | sabinef72 | I was thinking about you |
21:31.42 | mozrat | ooh! |
21:32.05 | mozrat | popey: I wonder if the leaked Windows 2000 source code is in that Google code search somewhere |
21:32.11 | mozrat | sabinef72: how so? |
21:32.22 | popey | :) |
21:32.41 | sabinef72 | my god, my sentence was tendentious |
21:32.53 | sabinef72 | I mean .... I was thinking about you for my website |
21:33.08 | mozrat | yeah yeah, thats what all the girls say |
21:34.39 | sabinef72 | all girls are tendentious with you ? |
21:34.55 | mozrat | I don't think that word exists in the English language |
21:35.16 | sabinef72 | arg |
21:35.48 | sabinef72 | leading ? |
21:35.49 | mozrat | Goodness - sabine knows more English than I do |
21:35.50 | mozrat | http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tendentious |
21:36.05 | sabinef72 | not me ... but my dictionary ! |
21:36.28 | mozrat | Ah I see :-) |
21:36.57 | mozrat | I'm afraid I'm going to disappoint you then - I only wandered past my laptop to check email |
21:37.07 | mozrat | speak to you later.. going to watch some random film |
21:37.22 | sabinef72 | :-(((((((((( |
21:37.58 | rhowe | sabinef72: It's alright - I put superglue on his keyboard |
21:38.08 | rhowe | He's not going anywhere without that laptop |
21:38.37 | sabinef72 | rhowe: so it's your fault ? |
21:39.18 | rhowe | Always is :P |
21:39.46 | sabinef72 | thank you |
21:42.47 | sabinef72 | mozrat: ok that will wait |
22:07.35 | sabinef72 | good night all |
22:28.57 | wethrin | Hello |
22:44.04 | mikejw | bon soir |
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23:07.20 | david_ | hey guys |
23:08.16 | wethrin | hi |
23:11.46 | wethrin | nice |
23:13.09 | rhowe | ibot change 845 gbp to usd |
23:19.17 | wethrin | Terry Gilliam, innit? |
23:19.31 | rhowe | Yeah |
23:19.36 | z0d | rhowe: That's a very good film. |
23:21.27 | mikejw | I watched it with my cousin the other week :) |
23:22.04 | mikejw | it's kewel |