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00:08.29*** join/#gllug pdr (n=pdr@pogo.pdr.me.uk)
00:08.56wethrinyo pdr
00:09.06pdryo yo, sup?
00:09.18wethrincomputer being bitchizzzz
00:10.04pdrwerd
00:10.29pdrthems got me bitchen
00:10.37wethrinaye
00:10.56pdranyway, how's uni treating you?
00:11.09wethrinIt's treating me okay
00:11.25pdrdo you have a fresher/orientation week or something
00:11.37wethrinstill slow going. But hopefully I'll be mostly written up by this time next year. Ha!
00:11.43wethrin*hopefully*
00:11.50pdrheh :-)
00:11.55wethrinFreshers' "week" was from Sunday to Wednesday
00:12.05wethrinTerm officially started on Thursday
00:12.19wethrinI get the joys of teaching undergrads in labs again this coming Thursday
00:12.25pdryay!
00:12.34pdrwhat subjects?
00:12.45wethrinElectronics, as part of Engineering
00:12.50pdrah, i see
00:12.50wethrinAt least there's a few cute undergrads
00:12.57pdrgood to hear
00:13.07wethrinindeed. Pity most of them aren't single
00:13.08wethrinOh well
00:13.11pdrexcept if they're, like, northern types or something
00:13.15wethrinHeh
00:13.34pdrnot that there's anything wrong with northern types, just the ones I seemed to attract a few years ago
00:13.34wethrinThere's a lot of southerners up here
00:13.39wethrinaye
00:13.43pdryeah i figured
00:13.55pdrhow way man
00:14.32pdranyway, wouldn't that be stretching teacher-student relations a bit?
00:15.06wethrinNot really in this case
00:15.23wethrinIt's not quite so formalised
00:15.51pdrfair enough
00:15.57pdrbut you're still on the payroll
00:16.00wethrintrue
00:16.23wethrinDon't think anyone would mind. We're all adults here now :)
00:16.36pdrha!
00:16.51wethrinWell, quite
00:17.22pdrhow is the relationship front then?
00:17.28wethrinLacking, still
00:17.28pdrexistant?
00:17.31pdroh
00:17.49pdrwell, at least you have time to work on your thesis
00:17.51wethrinI'm just not very good at picking the right crowds it seems :)
00:18.08wethrinExperimental work ATM, anyway :) Thesis writing should start around February-ish
00:18.09pdryou should have done nursing
00:18.49wethrinBut I'm not interested in that. Tradeoff....interesting subjects, getting the chicks
00:19.48pdri remember at uni there were some enterprising students who arranged joint engineering and arts "harbour cruises" and pub nights etc.  Worked quite well.
00:20.01wethrinnice. They're not that organised here
00:20.51pdrthe best thing about harbour cruises is that no-one can leave until the end, unlike the unibar where if it's just a bunch of geeks, the girls vanish
00:21.15wethrinTrap 'em. I like it!
00:21.45wethrinSo, maybe a joint Computing Society and "Happily Ever After" Society social.
00:23.52pdrsounds good
00:24.04pdri like happy endings to socials
00:24.15wethrinOr just find more people in the orchestra :)
00:24.31pdrooh, no steer away from those musical types
00:25.00pdrall politics and bitching and such
00:26.27wethrinNot all of them
00:26.45wethrinThey're not guitar players
00:26.50wethrin(most of them aren't, anyway)
00:27.05wethrinAnd real hippies don't play, say, trombone :)
00:27.35pdrstring players are the worst (/me plays violin/viola and a bit of guitar)
00:27.49wethrinYes, they often are :-P
00:28.02pdrbut the brass section are always too loud
00:28.02wethrindouble-bass players can be okay
00:28.09pdryeah, definitely
00:28.31pdrnice
00:28.34wethrinIndeed
00:29.52wethrinGnah. I've got Dvorak's 9th symphony going round in my head
00:30.29wethrinWe've actually got far too many flutes in the orchestra I'm playing in
00:30.48pdrthat's not normally too much of a problem
00:30.56wethrinShoot half of them?
00:31.01pdrheh
00:31.22pdrget them to play violin parts and fire the strings section
00:32.06wethrinOoh, good idea! Except the violins are better than the flutes
00:33.30wethrinRight. I notice it's half one, so I really should be getting a good night's sleep, ready for some hex editing tomorrow
00:33.39pdrjoy
00:33.43wethrinyeah
00:33.51pdrok mate, sleep well then
00:33.55wethrincheers
00:33.57wethrintake care!
00:34.00pdrlater
00:34.06wethrinnn
00:47.08z0d"The problem with political jokes is they get elected."
04:59.16morsing'morning
06:10.28*** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@n058152235141.netvigator.com)
06:24.45morsingLeeds!
06:25.42Leedsyes...
06:25.52morsing'morning. You're cheerful today...
06:25.57morsingHow was your flight?
06:26.31Leedsflight was good - got upgraded at the gate :-)
06:26.51morsing:)  Mmm... Whisky>
06:27.02Leedsso when I gave them my boarding pass, the machine beeped, they wrote a new seat number and gave it back to me with a smile
06:27.30Leedsgetting my bags from the cargo terminal was a bit of a nightmare, but *did* save me about £1000
06:28.59Leedsgot an email about an hour before I landed inviting me to a party on the beach, so I got in to my mate's place, dumped my bags (taxi cost a *fortune* from the airport - about £24!), then went to the beach :-)
06:31.05Leedsthis morning, I went out, found where I was, walked to one building I was interested in, but there didn't seem to be anyone around, went and had an omlette at a cafe, walked down to the ferry, stopping on the way to call another building (full for at least the next 3 weeks)...
06:50.06morsingMmm... Beac
06:50.07morsingh
06:56.24Leedsyesterday was the Mid-Autumn Festival - aka the Moon Festival - so the beaches were full of people with candles and glowsticks, watching the moon, barbecuing, etc.
07:00.15Leedswoo - *finally* got the money back which Virgin owed me for a cancelled flight in July
07:02.47Leedsoh, and for the record... when I called up to cancel my home insurance before I left (because I've replaced it with landlord's insurance) I was told that the insurers were closed for the day and the easiest thing was to cancel my direct debit - once they realised I'd stopped paying them, they'd cancel my policy automatically :-)
07:04.12*** join/#gllug Spudulike (n=ubuntu@ql4ever.demon.co.uk)
07:07.11Leedsafternoon Spudulike
07:10.40SpudulikeCould be. 'pends where you are in the world.  Make a good argument for Internet time or what ever they tried to call it!
07:10.53SpudulikeHow are you doing?
07:14.23Leedsnot bad... had a busy day, and now trying not to fall asleep on my mate's sofa
07:16.31Leedsas I said before you got here... I got an email about an hour before I landed inviting me to a beach party, then when I said I might just crash I was told to "just get [my] arse out to shek o and let us celebrate your return"
07:17.10SpudulikeAh, a sofa surfer ;-)
07:18.11SpudulikeWell, you can always sleep tomorrow!
07:18.33LeedsI'd be in bed if I could get the wireless working - I've borrowed a network cable and it only stretches as far as the sofa :-)
07:19.09Leedsoh, and I screwed up slightly on the way in and ended up with a 3-day visa...
07:19.41SpudulikeVisa for where, HK?
07:20.04Leedsyeah
07:20.34Leedsmy original work visa ends on Monday, and I entered HK on it, rather than as a visitor who would get 6 months
07:21.39Leedsof course, my original work visa should have been cancelled when I was no longer employed...
07:22.12SpudulikeIs there an easy get out of this "screw-up"?  Will you need to go 'underground'?
07:23.48LeedsI'm going to have a word with the immigration people on Monday - can't speak to them today because although Saturday is technically a working day in HK, today is a public holiday so they're closed
07:23.59LeedsI *might* end up just leaving HK and re-entering
07:25.17LeedsI've just got to be slightly careful, because I'm not sure if I'm technically allowed to look for work on a visitor's visa - I couldn't start working until I've got an employment visa, but if I said I wanted to find a job then apply for a visa, would they make trouble?
07:25.36SpudulikeHK has a 6 day working week? LEAVE NOW!
07:27.16Leedsthe government moved to a 5-day working week about a month ago, although public-facing services still run on Saturday - except public holidays... the banks moved over to a 5-day clearing week at the same time, but again, branches which were open on Saturday will still be open, it's just that clearing will be delayed
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08:00.01serrismorning
08:53.01morsingserris!
08:53.12morsingSpudulike! Man, what are you doing here :)
08:57.12Spudulikemorsing, just dropping by, man.
09:13.05morsing:)
09:32.54mozratLeeds, ever played with imaplib in Python?
09:33.14sabinef72mozzie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:33.21mozrathello!
09:34.13mozratlucky morsing!!
09:35.47sabinef72oops
09:36.38mozratG'Morning too
09:37.05sabinef72how are you ?
09:37.21mozratTired - been working too much
09:38.21sabinef72yes someone told me you were out of UK this week
09:38.47mozratyeah, went to spain
09:39.01sabinef72where exactly in Spain ?
09:39.01mozratwas fun, but tiring, and today I'm helping someone with a project in Amsterdam
09:39.10mozratI'm in London.. helping from home
09:39.18sabinef72ok I see
09:39.22mozratI was in Barcelona for a day and then Madrid
09:39.27sabinef72you are an international buiseness man
09:42.39morsingsabinef72!
09:42.45morsingmozrat!
09:44.22sabinef72hmm sunny day
09:45.35mozratsabinef72: not really
09:45.38mozratmorsing: hello!
09:45.55mozratboth: I figured out how to append messages to an IMAP mailbox using imaplib!
09:45.56sabinef72mozrat: I was teasing you
09:45.58mozratyay for me
09:46.27sabinef72I know we don't have the same humour.....
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09:47.44sabinef72morsing: what Dane people thinks about english humour ?
09:53.43sabinef72well....
09:55.50Leedsmozrat: yes, I have - I wrote an imap webmail client for my sister
09:57.47Leedsbut I see you solved your problem
09:58.19morsingsabinef72: English people don't have that much humor
09:58.32morsingNothing like danish humor but danish humor is quite extreme
09:58.44morsingIt's sunny here :)
09:59.38sabinef72I think mozrat is working like a beaver so he doesn't have time for laugh with me
10:03.38mozratsabinef72: unfortunately true :)(
10:03.58mozratHello Leeds - where fore art thou?
10:04.25mozratLeeds:  I worked it out - I was trying to append a message read with f.readlines() rather than f.read()
10:08.00Leedsmozrat: in my mate's place in Hong Kong
10:08.52Leedsneed to get a) my own place b) a proper visa (rather than the 3 days I currently have) and c) a job
10:09.36mozratSounds like bother to me
10:10.08Leedsgot to be done though
10:10.41Leedsin the short term, what I've got to get is some food, pretty soon - all I've eaten today is an omlette, 3 slices of toast, and a green salad
10:11.14Leedsno idea if the acupunture in my ear is helping, or if it's just jetlag, but considering that, I don't feel starving
10:15.51sabinef72Leeds: are you back in Hong Kong ?
10:20.18Leedssabinef72: yes
10:44.40keithlard_wizzo for spain!
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10:50.13sabinef72Leeds: are you tired ?
10:50.38Leedsyes, very
10:50.57Leedsit's almost 7pm - I'm going to go out and find some dinner soon, then plan for an early night
10:51.12sabinef72have fun !
10:52.46Leedswill do :-)
11:28.16trousersGood afternoon all
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11:44.04david_hey hey y'all
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11:52.31z00daxdavid_: !
11:52.39david_yes!
11:52.49z00daxis that you ? really ? David ?
11:53.00z00daxoh no, its the edmundson variety/
11:53.02wethrinmorning
11:53.07David_edmundsonsorry
11:53.07z00daxwethrin: !
11:53.11wethrinHi!
11:53.20z00daxedmundson's good.!
11:53.30wethrinAfter coffee, I shall either attempt RAID hackery, or nip out ot the shops
11:53.32David_edmundsonI like to think so.
11:53.47David_edmundsondon't get confused and to a shop raid.
11:53.47z00daxits sunny
11:53.49sabinef72hello z00dax
11:53.53z00daxi should get my wasshing done.
11:53.57z00daxsabinef72: ! hola
11:54.07wethrinDavid_edmundson: I'll try not to
11:54.09sabinef72z00dax: how are you ?
11:54.16wethrinz00dax: You do your washing outdoors?
11:54.39z00daxwethrin: no, but post washing, clothes usually need a bit of air
11:55.04wethrinJust use your oven :)
11:55.09wethrinOr a vacuum dessicator
11:55.32wethrinActually the dessicator was good for mobile phones, less good for socks. So I've read.
11:56.43z00daxi dont have enough place, or i'd get a dedicated dryer
11:56.54wethrinMove to a bigger place :)
11:57.26wethrinOr just earn more money and hire one it. I hear there's a lot of East Europeans around :)
11:57.26z00daxI alread y live US style :)
11:57.41wethrinEating out every night?
11:57.45z00daxthere's a thought
11:58.24trousersHmm, has anybody's LinuxWorld Expo badge arrived yet?
11:58.35z00daxno. us style - in that i live in a 2.5 bed house, a large'ish living room, and the kitchet + dinning area isnt bad, the conservitory makes it nice and liveable.
11:58.47z00daxfor a single guy - its a massive effort keeping the place in order :(
11:59.14z00daxthe last cleaner I had, was Eastern European yes, rather *cute* decided I might do as a boy friend, so she had to ge the sack rather quick
11:59.15z0dwethrin: I don't think you need much money to do that <-: (regarding East Europeans)
11:59.35z00daxI am now on the lookout for someone 60+
12:00.00z00daxhopefully wont have the same issue then. or if i did - I'd need to move from here :)
12:00.22wethrinoh dear :)
12:00.39wethrinz0d: Specially if you throw in a place to live and eat? :)
12:00.53z00dax:D
12:01.07z0dYeah, that'll do. <-:
12:01.22z00daxbut i do need to atleast start looking at moving closer into town - the commute to Kentish Town, from Bexley is quite a time sink
12:01.40wethrinDon't you get the train that avoids Zone 1?
12:02.01*** join/#gllug boudicca (n=boudicca@88-108-121-109.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com)
12:02.20z00daxI drive to Greenwich, park there, get the tube to LondonBridge, change for NorternLine to Kentish Town
12:02.40z00daxits almost an hour 40 in the mornings, even though i only start at 11
12:03.08z00daxor some absurd reason, i can get back home from work in exactly an hour and 5
12:03.50David_edmundsonwhere do you guys work then?
12:04.07z00daxDavid_edmundson: i do 4 days/week in Kentish town, and 1 day/week in Canary Warf
12:04.22wethrinEww. Northern Line
12:04.22David_edmundsonhow random.
12:04.40David_edmundsonnothing can be worse than Croydon tramlink
12:04.46wethrinz00dax: Maybe the southbound Northern Line is much quicker than the northbound? :)
12:04.51z00daxwethrin: i know :( i saw a nice place in Clapham, which I would live to move to - but, its the Northerline all the way
12:04.56wethrinDavid_edmundson: Is it run by Firstgroup?
12:05.04trousers*Apologise in advance* Do any of your companies do work experience? *Winces in anticipation of beating*
12:05.20David_edmundsonas in an intern year?
12:05.35trousers2 weeks :)
12:05.39David_edmundsonoh
12:05.45wethrinDavid_edmundson: He's only a youngster
12:05.51wethrinHe needs to be let into the real world gently
12:05.59David_edmundsonI'd like to think I am too.
12:06.08wethrinI bet he's younger :)
12:06.38David_edmundsondagnabbit.I'll have to kidnap a child to win this conversation.
12:06.46trousers:/
12:06.56David_edmundsonthen I'll get arrested and it'll all be your fault
12:07.09wethrinHah!
12:07.11trousersHmm, well, do any of yuour companies offer any work experience?
12:08.11trouserswethrin: Yes, but my school will rape me if I don't do it
12:08.14wethrin2 weeks is hardly enough time to get anything useful done
12:08.57z0dFound your own company.
12:09.00z0dDoes that count?
12:09.08boudiccasget yourself a summer holiday job, you'll see more work then and get paid for it too
12:09.20David_edmundsonwethrin: I think part of the idea is to get a lot of the kids stacking shelves, and they'll think "I don't want to do this anymore" and work harder in their GCSE's
12:09.40wethrinDavid_edmundson: I thought that was the idea of Saturday jobs
12:09.50David_edmundsonteehee
12:09.54David_edmundsonmaybe.
12:10.06trousersDavid_edmundson: I think that's part of the idea; but my school is fairly decent, slightly above the general scum in my area -_-
12:11.15David_edmundsonyou could try emailing our company. www.feral.co.uk (based in Putney) it's very small, but you can have a shot.
12:11.34trousersOooh, Putney, that's not too far
12:11.35trousersCheers
12:11.42David_edmundsonyou'd have to play games all day.
12:11.49trousersOh no!
12:12.32trousersNo actual code development, then?
12:12.36z0dSolitaire?
12:12.51David_edmundson"the Movies" and "Imperial Glory" at the moment
12:13.26David_edmundsondon't mention I sent you or anything
12:13.37David_edmundsonI'm just the intern.
12:15.41trousersOkay, cheers, I just sent a quick e-mail
12:16.09David_edmundsonawesome, what did it say?
12:17.15trousersI am currently seeking work experience from 02/07/07 - 13/07/07, and being interested in computer science, naturally have an urge to get work experience at a location like Feral Interactive. I would wish to seek work experience at Feral Interactive, preferably in the area of software development/system administration.
12:17.15trousersEnclosed is my CV in plaintext.
12:17.22trousersGeneral blagging
12:17.25David_edmundsonsmooth.
12:19.31boudiccasanyone use BackupPC as part of their backup strategy?
12:20.00David_edmundsonnah, cp works for me.
12:20.53z00daxboudiccas: yes.
12:21.15boudiccasz00dax; i'm talking to hughesjr atm about it :)
12:21.23boudiccasthanks though :)
12:21.54wethrintar is better
12:22.09z00daxheh
12:22.40wethrinHm. I don't feel like moving out of the house
12:22.45boudiccastoo cold for the proper usga eof tar atm
12:22.49z00daxlazy
12:22.56wethrinSo I suppose I'd better make an attempt at doing RAID recovery
12:22.57wethrinWooo
12:23.03wethrinhex editing-- # hassle
12:23.17wethrinAnd I grew out of it ~10 years ago :)
12:26.38wethrinHm. Anyone interested in a job lot of 33 hard drives? (mix of laptop and 3.5")
12:26.50David_edmundsonwhat sort of sizes?
12:26.53trousersAs in to have?
12:27.08wethrinNo.
12:27.17David_edmundsonto look at?
12:27.30wethrinDavid_edmundson: "All drives are no bigger than 40GB a few are 20GB, most laptop drives appear to be ~10GB or lower"
12:27.45wethrin£102 on eBay ATM, with 13 bids
12:27.51David_edmundsonhmm, I have a big enough pile on my windowsill for now.
12:27.57wethrinheh
12:28.32David_edmundsonwith small drives you tend to run out of IDE connectors after a while.
12:28.44wethrinDepends what you need them for, really
12:29.01wethrinSurely you just use a small boot drive, and mount the rest from your SAN?
12:29.15David_edmundsonSAN?
12:29.45David_edmundsonstorage accross network
12:30.36wethrinStorage Area Network
12:30.44David_edmundsonah
12:30.47David_edmundsonclose enough.
12:31.03David_edmundsont'is the way my setup is.
12:31.20wethrin:)
12:32.25wethrinI still need to set up my SAN thing
12:33.09David_edmundsonI just have a small PC in my wardrobe.
12:33.34David_edmundsonthen stuffed full of HD's
12:33.54wethrinBut exported over NFS / SMB?
12:34.23David_edmundsonSMB
12:34.56David_edmundsonother housemates are Windows users, samba works nicely with everyone
12:35.04wethrinIt'll give you nice friendly eBay auction links
12:35.12wethrinSo that'd be a NAS, rather than SAN
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12:35.42mikejw:)
12:35.46wethrinmikejw: Still quite pricy
12:35.57wethrinYou can get A1000s and D1000s cheaper
12:36.24mikejwooh coolio
12:37.29wethrinhttp://ebay.celestrion.net/auction/140038075986
12:37.31wethrinWANT!
12:37.49mikejwlol
12:38.38mikejwthe hardware I mean
12:38.47wethrinI suppose making an offer of £500 would just be risible
12:39.08mikejwmabes
12:39.29wethrinGiven 1TB costs £500
12:41.57wethrinGet both!
12:42.09mikejwlol
12:42.12mikejw:)
12:42.12wethrin3TB of disk, RAID10, gives you redundancy
12:42.17wethrinAnd 1.5TB usable
12:42.37mikejwI like the look of the A1000 :P
12:43.19wethrinI think the A1000 is JBOD
12:44.23mikejwoh I see
12:44.55wethrinOr maybe it's the D1000 :)
12:44.58boudiccasz00dax; you still here? before heading out somewhere else :) ?
12:45.07wethrinFuck! £10 for a D1000, plus £20 delivery
12:45.10wethrinNo disks, though
12:46.12wethrinOnly 260W input power
12:46.28mikejwhmm
12:47.44wethrinAh. A1000 is RAID
12:47.46wethrinD1000 is JBOD
12:47.54mikejw:D
12:53.52David_edmundsonwhat kind of drives?
12:53.56David_edmundsonSCSI?
12:54.05wethrinYeah
12:54.08wethrinSCA
12:54.17wethrinBut you need the Sun brackets
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12:57.11wethrinThey're £4 each from a place on eBay
12:59.02wethrin*tempting
12:59.04David_edmundsongood idea
13:00.44wethrinGiven I don't need it
13:02.02mikejw:)
13:11.05boudiccasanyone any good at disgnosing h/w problems online please?
13:13.32boudiccasthis pc runs quite normally with no problems until i start folding [folding@home, a SETI-like program] when the cpu temperature rises from its current 45'c to about 50'c, then the screen freezes and both the mouse and keyboard totally lock-up, and the only way out is to press the warm reset button. Anyone any ideas please?
13:17.58Leedsboudiccas: don't fun f@h
13:18.06boudiccasLeeds; yes, unfortunately. it seems that whenever i put any load on it, it rools over and dies [figuratively speaking]
13:18.19boudiccasdoesn't solve the underlying problem though
13:21.13wethrinBlarg
13:21.21wethrinHeat-related issue, most likely
13:21.28wethrinTry a better fan, or some new thermal paste
13:21.50boudiccaswethrin; yes, both might be a solution
13:34.07boudiccascan memtest be run whilst i'm logged in?
13:34.28morsingMoo
13:34.37boudiccasmieouw
13:38.12wethrinno
13:38.21wethrinIt needs a boot disk
13:38.25wethrinIt scans *all* the memory
13:40.09boudiccasthats rather what i htought from my experiments at running it whilst logged in
13:40.23Leedsuh, yeah
13:40.38Leedshmm... I assume that means it moves itself around in memory while it's running...
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14:49.59sabinef72morsing: are you here ?
14:50.39rhoweLeeds: Are you still in the UK?
14:50.58david_edmundsonrhowe: yes, it's by Manchester still.
14:51.27rhowedavid_edmundson: *groan*
14:52.03david_edmundsonin fairness it was comedy genius.
14:52.06david_edmundsonI'll shut up now.
14:53.18morsingsabinef72: I am now
14:53.33morsingrhowe: No Leeds left
14:54.06rhowemorsing: So he's in HK now?
14:54.09morsingYes
14:55.37boudiccaswell, me and my computer shop mate have decided that we'll try a new and even bigger fan to see if we can cool it down more. lets hope so :)
15:04.02boudiccasso i go in on monday and he'll shows me how to fit it [and i bet that when i do fit it i fsck it up too :{
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15:07.59halihttp://www.flickr.com/photos/akella/168307763/ *NSFW* ... dang .. :)
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15:14.10wethrinWhy's Manchester been considering that?
15:14.19wethrinIsn't it a bit expensive to move an entire city?
15:14.41Leedsyeah, but it's worth it, just to avoid spending the winter in Lancashire
15:14.54wethrinWell, you have a point there :)
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17:17.53serrishi all
17:19.28mozrathello there
17:19.35serrisHow's it going?
17:22.06mozratNot bad at al
17:22.06mozratall**
17:22.06serris: )
17:22.06mozratWhat are you up to?
17:22.06serrisNot much. Just bothered to get out of bed
17:22.20mozratyou've been in bed all day?
17:22.27serrisPretty much
17:22.41mozratAre you unwell?
17:22.48serrisNo. Nightshift worker ; )
17:22.52mozratAhh, I see
17:23.06serrisYeah, shift starts at 10 again
17:23.18mozratHow long have you been doing that kind of work?
17:23.22serrisNearly a year
17:24.55mozratwhat kind of work is it?
17:25.07mozratDo you get a chance to sit and study or are you doing stuff all of the time?
17:25.20serrisSainsbury's
17:25.43serrisI used to go to uni during the day but got bored of uni and fell asleep at worka few times so it wasn't working out.
17:25.59serrisI basically stack shelves for 10 hours a night
17:26.57mozratA friend of mine does that in the eventing
17:27.33serrisIt's not that bad of a job. Bit stressy but other than that we have a laugh
17:27.59mozratplus it's work... so that's always handy to have
17:28.05serrisIndeed
17:28.37serrisEveryone hates it there pretty much but no one's got else where to go. The best I heard of anyone else is TESCO
17:28.45mozratbbl
17:28.47serrisCya
17:28.56boudiccasserris; does it pay well?
17:29.09boudiccascompared with working during the daytime
17:29.12serris8 quid an hour
17:29.22boudiccashmm, not brilliant
17:29.53boudiccasabout 300 squid a week
17:30.05serrisa bit more with sunday bonuses and such
17:30.21boudiccashmmm
17:33.43serrisI was tempted to go work with me mate as an IT technician but it took him working there to get about the same pay as me. We get payed more if we work longer for Sainsbury's
17:34.12boudiccasah, a 'loyalty' bonus :)
17:34.29serrisPretty much but it's not a lot more. I think 40p extra?
17:34.46boudiccasi was just comparing it with working as a nurse pay wise
17:34.54serrisAh
17:35.04serrisHow much do they get?
17:35.20boudiccasdoing day shifts and night shifts, in rotation, i was getting about £18,000ish
17:35.35serrisAfter tax?
17:35.49boudiccasday shifts were actually two, either early or late
17:35.53boudiccasbefore tax
17:36.19boudiccasbut that was about six years ago, when i was retired
17:36.22serrisDay shift is the same here. A mate of mine from work used to get about 22k a year here for doing major over time
17:37.36serrisWe used to get double for over time but Sainsbury's decided to be stingy so they reduced it to time and a half
17:37.59boudiccasis it soul-destroying work, where you just mentally switch off to retain your sanity?
17:38.55serrisMore or less. You have people walking around talking to them selves, others are singing, some are yelling at each other and fooling around by puttig the halloween masks on and running around with them
17:39.43boudiccasanything that just passes the time :)
17:40.13boudiccasbut at least you wouldn't work over christmas would you?
17:40.25boudiccasunlike us who did, and new years too
17:40.59serrisWe work christmas
17:41.15serrisI worked upto the 23rd
17:41.19serrisonly 3 people worked 24th
17:41.26serristhen we were all back 26th
17:41.32serrisor 25th?
17:41.57boudiccasi've worked on nights over christmas up to new years eve twice :( it was the pits :(((
17:42.03serrisand I got new years off cause my fiancee got back from America then
17:42.15serrisI hate Christmas so I don't mind
17:42.19serrisThe only issue is the work load
17:42.28boudiccashmm
17:42.37serrisWe had a Christmas party at work
17:43.21serrisFree food and free beer. The store manager grabbed 60 bottles of beer, couple of bottles of champaign and what not and just gave it to the night shift workers. So everyone walked off at 7AM with atleast 4-5 beers in them
17:43.35boudiccaslol
17:44.12serrisThis branch isn't too bad. I've been sent off to aid other branches like New Malden and Kingston. I liked Kingston. The Manager couldn't stop thanking me for helping them
17:44.27boudiccaswe had to pay for our own christmas bash :)
17:44.40serrisIn New Malden I was threatened to have my mobile taken away from me and I was locked into the damn store by their manager
17:44.50serrisSo I swore at her and walked around the shop for an hour
17:45.14boudiccaslovely! she's got a good management style! not
17:46.00serrisI know. Well I got sent over to help so basically I clock in at 10PM at my branch, jump in a taxi when it's there and go over to their branch. 30 Minute trip. I work there with them 'till 6:30 and get back to my branch by 7 due to my manager telling me to do so
17:46.27boudiccasso what hour is a night shift?
17:46.38serrisI got there, got hell for being "late" and then they informed me I am not permitted to leave untill 7 as they are paying me to stay there 'till 7. I told them they're more than welcome to call my manager and discuss it with him but she refused
17:46.45boudiccasours was from 2100 to 0745
17:47.13serrisThen the cabby rang me to see where I was and she threatened to take my phone away if I used it again. So I was just walking around after that and bothered to put out 1 case
17:47.17serris10PM - 8AM
17:47.38boudiccasa ten hour shift, hmm
17:48.02serrisWith an hour and 5 minutes break
17:48.15boudiccasa five day week?
17:48.49serris4
17:49.41boudiccascan you do overtime if you want? or only if its available?
17:49.59serrisTechnically when it's available but we are usually short so there is pretty much always over time
17:50.24boudiccasinteresting
17:50.26serrisA mate of mine managed to do an avarege of 2 day OT a week
17:51.03serrisHe used to get about 2k+ a month
17:51.18boudiccasyou're doing a good job of selling it to me you know :)
17:51.38serrishaha
17:51.53boudiccasdoes every store have night workers or just mainline big london ones?
17:52.03serrisMost do
17:52.17serrisWe didn't for a while cause of cost cut
17:52.41boudiccashmmm
17:57.38serrisOur branch has no money
17:57.50serris:D so we can't afford gloves
17:58.24serrisThey're meant to provide us with boots. I got a size smaller used boots since they had no more and the pair don't even match. One's an 8 1/2 the other's an 8
17:59.14serrisThey had no insoles. The managers can never be pleased. The job's unfair, if you work hard, they'll always work you hard. If you're lazy, they do nothing
17:59.28serrisNothing about it*
17:59.55boudiccashmm, inadequeate protective clothing
17:59.59serrisSo I usually tell people if they really need a job I'll try to get them on night shift but other wise it's just a temporary job
18:00.43serrisIndeed. The high visability jackets are scarce. They are stricter on them since some guy got crushed to death by a lory at a depo due to not having a high vis jacket
18:01.02boudiccasmy local branch doesn't have any vacancies atm, just phoned to check, but are quite happy for me to complete an application form
18:01.13boudiccasmight be useful with christmas coming up
18:01.26serrisIndeed
18:02.40serrisI just got in cause one of the lads I went to college with is a supervisor from day shift
18:02.48boudiccasdo they get paid more for working on the tills?
18:02.54serrisSo he signed my application form and it went through the next day unlike most
18:03.17serrisHaha no. They get basic pay which is 6.12 at first. Then 6.45 after 3 month
18:03.24boudiccassounds like 'who you know', the old boys netwrok :)
18:03.27serrisWe get 6.45 plus night shift bonus
18:03.59serrisPretty much. There are about 2 job vacancies out to the public. For instore staff there are entire message boards with big letters "IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO WORK HERE...."
18:05.03serrisOur store used to be much more lax on uniforms and such. We could work in tracksuits, jeans, whatever tshirt we wanted
18:05.13serrisNow we get threatened to be sent home if we don't wear the uniform
18:05.42boudiccasi just phoned them up, might be worth having a chat with them face to face. uniform for night shifts? why? no customer is going to be seeing you are they?
18:06.10serrisI agree
18:07.06serrisNot many of us really care. I get put on BWS (beers, wines, spirits) and I get a lot of work, no help so I can't work in 2 layers (my tshirt plus the sainsbury's tshirt over). I was told if it gets too hot to take my tshirt off and use the sainsbury's one.
18:07.30boudiccasmad!
18:07.37serrisWe are allowed music, we are allowed to shout and joke around
18:07.45boudiccasbig of them
18:08.02serrisEsp. since the duty managers don't have to wear a uniform ; )
18:08.23serrisOur manager doesn't flip out if our phone rings during the shift
18:08.37boudiccasdo you have to wash the uniform yourselves, or are changing room facilities etc provided?
18:08.40serrisHe only gets anal about things if he gets a bollocking from above
18:08.52boudiccasmobile phones now are part of everyday life :)
18:09.09serrisChanging rooms are provided. The only people that are not allowed to wash their uniforms at home are the bakery people
18:09.19serrisWe have to wash it our selves.
18:09.41serrisWell look at it this way. My manager hates phones. He won't always pick it up. Half the time we have music blaring and they don't hear the phone ring
18:09.54boudiccasand is only one uniform provided which has to be washed/dried/ironed on your off days?
18:10.05serrisSo if my fiancee needs to reach me, I feel much better if she rings my phone than the store
18:10.51serris2 tshirts. 1 long sleeve and 1 short sleeve. I think we got a pair of pants at the enduction but I've been wearing the same one since I joined. don't know what I did with the other
18:11.16serrisBut as I said, up untill the crack down on having us wear uniform, I just walked around in a pair of trackies
18:11.22boudiccas'pair of pants'? they provide underwear!
18:11.32serrisNo, work trousers
18:11.35serris: )
18:11.47trousersserris: Hmm?
18:11.47boudiccasah, right. an americanism
18:11.54serris><
18:12.15serrisMy fiancee is American. Some things just rub off on me
18:12.20trousersAh, right, sorry, the window started flashing :)
18:12.23boudiccasfair enough :)
18:12.28serrisHehe no worries trousers
18:13.23serrisOther branches aren't as good. Not allowed music, everyone has to be in silence. Here we can have our MP3 players with us, sing, some people dance around the aisles. So a bunch of crazy people
18:13.49serrisOnly thing I dislike is the fact that they are planning to demolish the smoking roos in all Sainsbury's branches
18:14.16serrisAnd now that non of my manager's smoke, I don't think we'll be allowed to walk out infront of the store for a quick smoke during breaks
18:15.31boudiccasthe smoking room at the hospital where i used to work was the absolute pitts, like the very bowels of hell, it stank horribly
18:15.41serrisOurs does too
18:15.51serrisThe roof used to be all yellow and the fan grills black
18:15.55boudiccasbbiamo2
18:16.02serrisI've only seen it cleaned once
18:19.26boudiccasoh yuk
18:20.07serrisIndeed
18:20.15boudiccasserris; what distro you using please? I'm just nosy
18:20.24serrisFluxbuntu rev2
18:20.51boudiccashad to read that carefully to understand, a variant of debian then :)
18:20.57boudiccasI'm using centos 4.4
18:21.25serrisIt's basically Ubuntu but much more of a lightweight distro with Fluxbox window manager
18:21.48boudiccasdid you go straight onto nights or did you have orientation and day shifts for a time
18:21.54trousersboudiccas: What is CentOS like?
18:22.02serrisStraight to nights
18:22.09serrisBefore this I worked as an IT tech
18:22.10boudiccasvery good , stable ond long-lasting
18:22.23serrisI used to use FreeBSD
18:22.28trousersboudiccas: I might give it a whirl comtime
18:22.30trousers*sometime
18:22.37boudiccasserris; bit of a change isn't it?
18:22.40serrisbut for some reason I couldn't get xorg to setup correctly and rc1 of Fluxbox wouldn't install
18:23.01boudiccastrousers; i like it, i've been using it for 11 months now and don't want to use anything else
18:23.25serrisWell I started linux on Slackware 10.1 and then ventured through Fedora Core 1,2,3; Slackware 10.2, Ubuntu, Kubuntu and FreeBSD
18:24.27boudiccasi started with suse 8.2, redhat 9, whitebox 3, fc2,3,4 and now centos
18:24.28serrisI like the hardware support out of the box with Ubuntu, but dislike gnome and the bloat that comes with it
18:24.51boudiccasserris; i agree with you, give me kde anyday :)))
18:25.03serrisI primarily use an IBM T42 and with Ubuntu, pretty much everyone's supported out of the box
18:25.24serriseverythings*
18:26.47serrisI still run FreeBSD on my server
18:27.01boudiccasi always found that i was grumpy as hell before a night shift, and wasn't fit to hold a polite conversation with. and then afterwards i'd just do my usual things, watching tv, have a fag or two, perhaps a drink or two and then go to bed about 1000ish and get up at about 1830
18:27.58boudiccasbasically i just used to reverse my day
18:28.22serrisI used to get home from work 8:30ish. Go to bed around 3 or 4 and sleep 'till 9. But I had a much harder time at work waking up so I started sleeping at about 10 'till 4 or 5 and then I was fine
18:29.02boudiccasyes, everybody has to learn what and how their body copes with working nights
18:29.22serrisYeah. One of my friends sleeps maybe 2 hours avarege
18:30.06boudiccasi did work with one nurse who never slept at all in her 6-day stretch of nights. she was a bloody wreck and dangerous too. she left soon after, saying that she couldn't cope with working nights
18:31.02serrisSome people can do it. Others can't. I used to stay up on the PC all night then sleep a little during the day and then up all night again so it wasn't taht much of a problem for me to work nights
18:31.24boudiccasare you permanent nights?
18:31.47boudiccasor do you rotate to day shifts too
18:31.51serrisPlus I don't have to deal with customers. I only had to deal with them a few times. One lady waved a box of strawberrys into my face asking me "This is 1.69 quid! It says it is the half price. What is it half of?"
18:32.03boudiccaslol
18:32.06serrisI didn't know wether to laugh or just feel sorry for her
18:32.11serrisI'm permenant nights
18:33.03boudiccasthat plays hell with the metabolism, working permanant night shifts
18:33.45boudiccasi don't mind rotating days to nights and back again, but that poses problems too
18:34.01serrisSome people do that
18:34.01boudiccasanyway, its all hypothetical atm
18:34.17serrisA few of them work days 3 days a week and come do night shift 1 night a week
18:34.20serrisUsually saturday
18:34.27boudiccasat least i wouldnt be dealing with vomit or poo
18:34.29serrisCause you get 8 hours of sunday bonus
18:34.38serristhat's true
18:34.50boudiccasor dealing with dead people
18:35.02serrisWell I don't think anyone died at ours as of yet
18:35.15boudiccasand long may it remain so :)
18:35.24serrisBut we had one of my friends knocked out by 60 lbs of oranges falling on his head
18:35.26boudiccasi worked on the cancer ward of my local hospital
18:35.51boudiccasbet he got the 'juice' taken out of him :)
18:36.01serrislol aye
18:36.07serrisHe carried on working after though
18:36.28boudiccasafter he'd come round :)
18:36.30serrisIt's not bad of a job, depending on where they put you
18:36.50boudiccaswhich department, like bws, etc?
18:37.11serrisYeah. They trained me up to be able to do all the departments
18:37.16serrisBut there are just some places they'll never put me
18:37.21serrisSuch as health and beauty
18:37.29serrisI'm not gonna do any work there and they know it
18:37.36boudiccaswhy not? sex discrimination?
18:38.08serrisNah. Everything looks the same. My hands are too big so when I'm pulling stock forward everything around me falls off, I don't know where most of it goes so I doodle around wondering where to put things
18:38.28serrisSo at 7:30AM I had 6 people helping me finish :D
18:38.46boudiccasdoodle, doodle, doodle............ sounds like fun :))))
18:38.59serrisBWS is a tough one
18:39.13boudiccasbasically just lugging water wround
18:39.18boudiccas*around
18:39.34serrisyeah. Waters is nice though unless you get 25 rollers (cages)
18:39.57boudiccasi'd leave them for you to do :)
18:40.02serrishehe
18:40.15serrisbrb smoking
18:40.40boudiccaslook serris its been nice chatting, and you've given me some things to think about, but i'm off to watch a film now. maybe chat another night?
18:44.46serrisSure. I'm off tomorrow night : ) and I got work in 2 hours
18:45.16serrisSo I'll talk to you later
19:24.48mozrathttp://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/photos/20061007-hairbegone/
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20:54.13JAVhello
20:58.50mozrathttp://www.google.com/codesearch?hl=en&lr=&q=%22smoking+crack%22&btnG=Search
20:58.54mozrat'lo JAV
21:05.58popeymozrat!
21:09.48popeyhttp://www.google.com/codesearch?hl=en&lr=&q=%22fucking+crap%22&btnG=Search
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21:23.33sabinef72hi
21:30.32mozrathttp://www.google.com/codesearch?hl=en&lr=&q=%22i+hate+microsoft%22&btnG=Search
21:30.35mozrathi sabinef72
21:31.04sabinef72ho hooo mozzie !!!
21:31.10sabinef72I was thinking about you
21:31.42mozratooh!
21:32.05mozratpopey: I wonder if the leaked Windows 2000 source code is in that Google code search somewhere
21:32.11mozratsabinef72: how so?
21:32.22popey:)
21:32.41sabinef72my god, my sentence was tendentious
21:32.53sabinef72I mean .... I was thinking about you for my website
21:33.08mozratyeah yeah, thats what all the girls say
21:34.39sabinef72all girls are tendentious with you ?
21:34.55mozratI don't think that word exists in the English language
21:35.16sabinef72arg
21:35.48sabinef72leading ?
21:35.49mozratGoodness - sabine knows more English than I do
21:35.50mozrathttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tendentious
21:36.05sabinef72not me ... but my dictionary !
21:36.28mozratAh I see :-)
21:36.57mozratI'm afraid I'm going to disappoint you then - I only wandered past my laptop to check email
21:37.07mozratspeak to you later.. going to watch some random film
21:37.22sabinef72:-((((((((((
21:37.58rhowesabinef72: It's alright - I put superglue on his keyboard
21:38.08rhoweHe's not going anywhere without that laptop
21:38.37sabinef72rhowe: so it's your fault ?
21:39.18rhoweAlways is :P
21:39.46sabinef72thank you
21:42.47sabinef72mozrat: ok that will wait
22:07.35sabinef72good night all
22:28.57wethrinHello
22:44.04mikejwbon soir
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23:07.20david_hey guys
23:08.16wethrinhi
23:11.46wethrinnice
23:13.09rhoweibot change 845 gbp to usd
23:19.17wethrinTerry Gilliam, innit?
23:19.31rhoweYeah
23:19.36z0drhowe: That's a very good film.
23:21.27mikejwI watched it with my cousin the other week :)
23:22.04mikejwit's kewel

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