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| 04:15.53 | morsing | 'morning |
| 04:17.29 | Leeds | dude... 5:15am? |
| 04:43.24 | morsing | Mmm... Work |
| 04:46.48 | morsing | What are you doing? |
| 05:01.52 | Leeds | flat-hunting :-( |
| 05:05.04 | Leeds | morsing: ping? |
| 06:21.12 | serris | morning all |
| 06:23.37 | morsing | Leeds: At work now |
| 06:23.50 | morsing | Think I have a cold |
| 06:23.54 | morsing | serris! |
| 06:23.58 | serris | I just got back from work |
| 06:23.58 | serris | :D |
| 06:24.05 | serris | off for 2 nights though |
| 06:40.11 | serris | ls |
| 06:40.19 | serris | >< |
| 06:55.15 | morsing | Leeds? |
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| 07:27.44 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 07:29.05 | sabinef72 | mozratMX: are you around ? |
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| 07:40.42 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
| 07:42.09 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 07:50.59 | morsing | Woo SlayerXP - yay! :) |
| 07:51.09 | SlayerXP | ? |
| 07:53.34 | SlayerXP | btw, those flyers Chris sent to the admin list are _awful_ |
| 08:01.24 | morsing | Chris? Flyers? |
| 08:02.35 | SlayerXP | Chris Bell |
| 08:04.10 | morsing | Flyers about what? |
| 08:05.31 | SlayerXP | see the admin list |
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| 08:21.07 | morsing | huw-l! |
| 08:21.16 | morsing | SlayerXP: I'm not on it! |
| 08:21.32 | SlayerXP | maybe you should be |
| 08:28.06 | morsing | Why> |
| 08:33.01 | SlayerXP | do you not want a part in shaping what will eventually become the world government? |
| 08:41.49 | morsing | Nice |
| 08:42.18 | murb | no i want a voting share. |
| 08:50.14 | mozratMX | slayerxp, yeah, i'll knock some others up |
| 08:50.36 | SlayerXP | mozratMX: note that URLs should have a trailing / |
| 08:51.40 | mozratMX | k |
| 08:52.09 | huw-l | morning |
| 08:52.26 | Leeds | hello! |
| 08:59.00 | morsing | mozratMX: Did you call her? |
| 08:59.25 | murb | hmm are SNCF trying to compete with uk rail? |
| 09:00.08 | mozratMX | morsing, yes |
| 09:00.44 | Leeds | hmm... comedy club is sold out for Saturday night, and I've just been to look at a decent flat, medium-sized (for HK), affordable, but a bit out of town in a very Chinese area... |
| 09:04.52 | morsing | Is Halloween the 31st? |
| 09:05.03 | Leeds | always |
| 09:06.30 | morsing | Nice and reliable |
| 09:06.58 | Leeds | quite a big deal here, more in the American mold |
| 09:07.35 | murb | you'd have thought the americans would be moreinto the day after. |
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| 09:08.50 | Leeds | well, it's a thing for kids - also, one of the many excuses for extra drinking for the big kids |
| 09:12.20 | morsing | Cream of Wild Mushroom and Spinach Soup with Truffle Oil |
| 09:12.36 | morsing | Trout Fillet with herb mash and a tomato vegetable and Coriander Salsa |
| 09:12.44 | morsing | Traditional plum pudding with brandy sauce |
| 09:14.16 | Leeds | morsing: lunch? |
| 09:15.23 | morsing | X-mas party menu |
| 09:26.57 | antiphase | What does "Annnnnnd theeeeeen?" come out as? |
| 09:27.36 | Leeds | well, apparently my network card has to have clofibrate in order to use the broadband service... |
| 09:29.28 | gregj | 10' is 10 feet ? |
| 09:30.04 | Leeds | probably |
| 09:30.05 | antiphase | Generally. Or 10 minutes |
| 09:30.38 | gregj | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.44 | gregj | in this sentence :) |
| 09:31.09 | gregj | I doubt it means the room is 11 minutes by 7 minutes :) (if you travel by speed of sound? ) |
| 09:31.18 | gregj | s/by/at/ |
| 09:31.40 | SlayerXP | 11 feet, 4 inches by 7 feet. |
| 09:31.46 | gregj | no you stuppid monstrosity, the second by |
| 09:31.57 | gregj | SlayerXP: ok, so I got it right :) |
| 09:31.58 | gregj | SlayerXP: thanks |
| 09:32.45 | gregj | s/monstrosity/botosity/ |
| 09:32.45 | gregj | :D |
| 09:33.58 | Leeds | gregj: incidentally... so I was in London recently, for the first time since January... and it's turned pretty Polish... |
| 09:34.55 | Leeds | oh, and does anyone have a non-Linux machine to hand they can do me a favour on? |
| 09:35.13 | antiphase | Depends what it is |
| 09:35.38 | Leeds | look at a website, consisting mainly of flash, and tell me what it says, since I get some pictures and no text or links |
| 09:35.56 | antiphase | Ah, you meant a machine with a graphics adaptor and screen |
| 09:36.10 | Leeds | not necessarily - vnc/rdesktop/etc. would be fine |
| 09:36.30 | SlayerXP | flash works under linux too |
| 09:37.05 | Leeds | SlayerXP: on my system, all I see is pictures, but I know there are other things there because someone looked at it for me earlier... |
| 09:37.45 | Leeds | http://www.112apartments.com/Eng/home.html - do you see anything but scrolling photos in the flash applet? |
| 09:38.59 | gregj | Leeds: yes, that's why my desire to get back there kinda melt |
| 09:39.26 | Leeds | melt? |
| 09:39.42 | antiphase | windows shows text where Linux shows a black box with no text |
| 09:40.01 | SlayerXP | Leeds: IWFM |
| 09:40.10 | Leeds | antiphase: my point exactly |
| 09:40.13 | gregj | Leeds: weaken, wapour, ... |
| 09:40.41 | Leeds | ah... wane :-) |
| 09:40.41 | antiphase | wabbits |
| 09:40.45 | gregj | funny, I was recently contacted by google talent hunter |
| 09:41.01 | Leeds | SlayerXP: what version of what browser with what flash plugin? |
| 09:41.16 | gregj | and she made it clear to me that even without Bsc, if I only have the knowledge, I am welcomed in google ireland |
| 09:41.30 | Leeds | ireland is a good place to live, I think |
| 09:41.34 | gregj | time will tell tho, I kinda can't belive her |
| 09:41.50 | rhowe | gregj: Sounds like you're being groomed for the cult |
| 09:42.07 | gregj | me doubts :> |
| 09:42.13 | gregj | me speaks no engleze |
| 09:42.18 | Leeds | antiphase, SlayerXP: anyway - I don't know how much text there is, but I can't see any of it... can you tell me what it says? |
| 09:42.30 | Leeds | gregj: nonsense, old chap! |
| 09:42.48 | rhowe | gregj: And they speak English in Ireland? :) |
| 09:42.59 | gregj | aye |
| 09:43.00 | gregj | :> |
| 09:43.27 | gregj | better than most Poles in London I suppose |
| 09:45.06 | gregj | fsck, I got 4 short moveies to edit |
| 09:45.12 | gregj | and got shots from two cameras |
| 09:45.37 | gregj | one wide picture, with screwed whitebalance (sic!) |
| 09:45.53 | gregj | second one with 4:3 picture, and hum from tape motor |
| 09:46.29 | gregj | tell ya, correcting whitebalance by hand is undoable |
| 09:47.09 | gregj | probably I should just ditch the wide picture camera shots, but some of them are valuable |
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| 09:49.09 | murb | gregj: some Poles have been in London > 60 years. |
| 09:49.51 | morsing | stephanb2! |
| 09:50.29 | Leeds | gregj: lots of shops with 'we stock Polish food' on them, often written in Polish :-) |
| 09:50.35 | antiphase | Leeds: There's a load of text which isn't copy and pasteable because it's stupid Flash, and rdesktop seems not to do screen grabs |
| 09:51.15 | Leeds | antiphase: can you summarise? |
| 09:51.29 | gregj | Leeds: :) |
| 09:52.03 | morsing | Aylesbury: :) |
| 09:54.47 | stephanb2 | morsing! |
| 09:58.07 | stephanb2 | Leeds: "Supermarkets covet Polish spend" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5332024.stm |
| 09:58.59 | Leeds | was it Mock The Week where the comment was made that the BNP was having a real problem, since the country was over-run by white Christian foreigners? |
| 09:59.31 | Leeds | hmm... I note they specifically mention Hendon |
| 10:12.05 | morsing | Moo |
| 10:12.13 | morsing | Leeds: Bacon? |
| 10:13.41 | Leeds | morsing: never |
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| 10:17.25 | morsing | PussInBoots! |
| 10:17.27 | murb | Leeds: who pay taxes etc? |
| 10:18.18 | Leeds | murb: indeed |
| 10:18.58 | rhowe | hmmm |
| 10:19.41 | rhowe | Someone please explain to me how the age discrimination legislation affects our ability to display the D-o-B of our consultancy staff on our website |
| 10:20.40 | Leeds | rhowe: because it may lead someone to take or not take your services depending on the age of the consultant involved |
| 10:21.00 | rhowe | Surely that's their fault? |
| 10:21.17 | Leeds | don't ask, don't tell? |
| 10:21.18 | rhowe | If I include my age in my CV, am I opening myself to prosecution? |
| 10:21.18 | stephanb2 | someone please explain to me how health and safety laws require facilities to display a sticker on top of the bathroom taps |
| 10:21.27 | stephanb2 | "warning hot water" |
| 10:22.10 | Leeds | stephanb2: they probably don't - that sounds more like a liability thing |
| 10:22.51 | stephanb2 | Leeds: why don't they label the whole office then: "caution this chair can cause back injuries" |
| 10:23.44 | stephanb2 | warning: using your brain can cause depression and anxiety |
| 10:23.45 | rhowe | stephanb2: "Warning: This pack of peaNUTS may contain nuts" |
| 10:24.57 | stephanb2 | what kind of society are we creating |
| 10:24.59 | Leeds | rhowe: I would say you are not opening yourself up, no, but if anyone asks you for it, they are doing so... not that I know anything at all about the legislation, other than it just came into force... |
| 10:25.19 | stephanb2 | soon everything will come in shrink wrap End User Licence Agreement |
| 10:25.36 | rhowe | Leeds: Sure, if a prospective employer asks for my age, I suppose I am well within my rights to ask why they are asking |
| 10:25.49 | antiphase | If we killed all the retards that sued for compensation, we could get rid of all the liability nonsense |
| 10:26.07 | Leeds | by opening this can of Coca-Cola, you agree that we are not liable for any adverse health effects and waive all rights to compensation for such effects |
| 10:26.26 | rhowe | Leeds: Surely the legislation is all based on whether or not discrimination actually takes place though (within reasonable doubt, or whatever) |
| 10:26.52 | rhowe | Leeds: Saying that you must make it impossible for other people to discriminate against you based upon your age just sounds insane |
| 10:27.01 | antiphase | There was a TV programme on last night with a load of indignant tossers complaining that the Government don't pay *compensation* to victims of terrorist attacks abroad |
| 10:27.13 | Leeds | rhowe: I think part of the point is removing the possibility for discrimation to take place - for example, if they asked your sexual preferences (cute Chinese girls), you would rightly be outraged |
| 10:27.13 | rhowe | Leeds: Are we to remove all photos of staff from our website, in case the greying, thinning hair makes people think they are old? |
| 10:27.27 | antiphase | "Yeh, I had insurance, but no-one ever reads all the small print, do they?" |
| 10:27.32 | stephanb2 | legislation doesn't solve anything. it's only purpose is to protect thos ewho have from those who have not |
| 10:27.37 | rhowe | Leeds: Do we ensure that all staff photos were taken when they were aged 30? |
| 10:27.38 | Leeds | antiphase: acts of God or Satan :-) |
| 10:27.55 | Leeds | rhowe: consult a lawyer... my dad, if you want :-) |
| 10:28.35 | rhowe | Leeds: heh |
| 10:28.45 | rhowe | Leeds: We have people on staff who can probably answer it |
| 10:29.30 | rhowe | Leeds: Maybe we should hire someone to be proxy for all our customer-facing staff, to provide an age-neutral interface? :) |
| 10:31.23 | rhowe | Leeds: Also, doesn't this legislation only apply to employers? |
| 10:31.38 | Leeds | good idea - but they'd better not be male, female, old, young, straight, gay, white, black, etc. etc. |
| 10:31.43 | stephanb2 | rhowe: have you considered replacing all photos by illustrations / paintings ? |
| 10:31.57 | rhowe | stephanb2: No, but I did consider requesting baby photos from all staff |
| 10:32.21 | stephanb2 | rhowe: i like this. 7 year old photos would be cute |
| 10:36.12 | murb | rhowe: in germany employees already ask for a photograph, which is perfect for their distcrimiation. |
| 10:37.57 | murb | don't companies realise it is in their interst to get the best candiate who'll accept their pay and conditions? |
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| 10:38.16 | morsing | goibhniu! |
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| 10:38.55 | cbz | morning |
| 10:45.06 | rhowe | murb: Thing is, this isn't even for employment |
| 10:45.13 | gregj | http://gj.pointblue.com.pl/hum.mov http://gj.pointblue.com.pl/wide.mov |
| 10:45.24 | gregj | two cameras, twice as much trouble :) |
| 10:45.29 | rhowe | murb: These are CVs we show our *clients* to prove our staff have the skills and experience necessary to do the work they are asking us to do |
| 10:45.40 | gregj | I wonder if there's any place on irc where I can talk to final cut people |
| 10:46.12 | stephanb2 | gregj: editors (ie users of final cut) or developpers ? |
| 10:46.17 | murb | rhowe: well it is completely legal to say dr foo has 20 years experience. |
| 10:46.33 | gregj | stephanb2: users |
| 10:46.35 | Leeds | rhowe: in other words, (potentially) before their services are engaged? |
| 10:46.43 | rhowe | Leeds: Yes |
| 10:46.44 | murb | you don't need to mention he is getting a bit senile now... |
| 10:47.20 | stephanb2 | gregj: most editors / designers i know don't use irc. i guess you'd have more luck on forums like creative cow |
| 10:47.32 | gregj | stephanb2: there are some developers from apple on #macdev |
| 10:47.33 | rhowe | murb: I was told to alter "Salary: £22,000-25,000 depending on skills and experience" to remove the reference to 'experience' because it might be considered discriminatory |
| 10:47.40 | rhowe | murb: When I was placing a job ad |
| 10:47.40 | gregj | stephanb2: but they usually don't say anything about it |
| 10:48.16 | stephanb2 | gregj: you want an evaluation of final cut ? |
| 10:48.16 | gregj | stephanb2: yes, I know, but more direct, and realtime chat would be nice |
| 10:48.27 | gregj | I have full version of it, plus mac pro |
| 10:48.42 | rhowe | gregj: realtime chat tends to be so timeconsuming that a lot of developers avoid it |
| 10:48.50 | gregj | now, only rented from apple poland, but I will buy it, or lease it |
| 10:49.10 | stephanb2 | gregj: you're better off trying to meet a real life person |
| 10:49.11 | Leeds | how much does it cost to rent a mac pro? |
| 10:49.18 | gregj | free |
| 10:49.29 | Leeds | uh... |
| 10:49.30 | gregj | at least for me and in poland |
| 10:49.50 | gregj | I got full box of software + hardware for free to use for two weeks |
| 10:49.58 | gregj | just because I told them I need to make up my mind |
| 10:50.02 | gregj | and test it |
| 10:50.04 | Leeds | ah, so for trial, not for rent |
| 10:50.05 | gregj | they were so nice |
| 10:50.16 | gregj | yes, but if it is going to work out, I will lease it |
| 10:50.40 | gregj | it will cost me only 1.5kPLN a month to do so, and I expect to get some paying work to be done on it |
| 10:50.48 | gregj | like editing movies for ppl |
| 10:51.09 | Leeds | ibot change 1500 pln to hkd |
| 10:51.34 | Leeds | hmm... you can buy a PC for that |
| 10:51.53 | gregj | yes, than run final cut on it |
| 10:52.03 | gregj | mac pro has 4 xeons, 3ghz |
| 10:52.06 | Leeds | sure |
| 10:52.19 | gregj | and I know it is needed for movies |
| 10:52.28 | gregj | I tried to do it on my mini G4 |
| 10:52.34 | gregj | nedless to say, it is impossible |
| 10:52.51 | Leeds | heh |
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| 10:53.56 | murb | rhowe: You can't discriminate based on experience? |
| 10:54.13 | murb | where experience correlates with ability to do the job? |
| 10:54.36 | rhowe | murb: Well, experience implies some length of time, which implies older, so according to our HR folks, no :) |
| 10:54.39 | rhowe | ROFL |
| 10:54.40 | rhowe | hahahaha |
| 10:54.49 | morsing | rhowe: Why are you ignoring me? |
| 10:55.16 | rhowe | The guy who asked me to take the dates off the website just sent me two more staff photos for the website saying "here are alan & james's photos. James is the younger one" |
| 10:55.23 | rhowe | I replied with "You're not allowed to say that!" |
| 10:55.28 | gregj | Leeds: plus, I need mac to run final cut, it is mac only |
| 10:55.33 | gregj | Leeds: and I love macs |
| 10:55.59 | gregj | Leeds: and I play guitar, consider my self almost-musician, and many good programs (logic pro) works on mac only as well |
| 10:56.06 | gregj | Leeds: so.. |
| 10:56.07 | Leeds | OSX runs on cheap Dells now :-) |
| 10:56.30 | gregj | yes, dell with specs that match cheapest mac pro is 1k$ more |
| 10:58.00 | Leeds | I know what the point of a powerful machine is... |
| 10:58.10 | cbz | http://lutin.jard.in/~dek/reiser.png |
| 10:58.51 | gregj | I know I can run all music stuff on PC with linux, and that would be all I need, but I got someone paying me to do movie editying, and he demands it on final cut, because it is the only tool that does the job here |
| 10:59.17 | gregj | I tried adobe whatever, that is not even half of what I can get out of final cut |
| 10:59.18 | gregj | :) |
| 10:59.19 | gregj | so |
| 10:59.47 | gregj | Leeds: yeah, speaking of which, I was able to touch about a week ago nice machine with 32 sparcs in it |
| 10:59.54 | gregj | those niagara ones |
| 11:00.02 | gregj | big noisy, and fast |
| 11:00.08 | Leeds | I'd prefer a 32-way opteron :-) |
| 11:01.14 | gregj | :) |
| 11:01.18 | gregj | yeah, it would be nice |
| 11:01.28 | rhowe | hahaha |
| 11:01.29 | rhowe | I just got told to replace all occurrences of "<n> years experience" with "extensive experience" |
| 11:01.33 | gregj | but, for music, the only good DAW for linux I know, ardour, doesn't scale |
| 11:01.49 | gregj | rhowe: :) |
| 11:01.59 | stephanb2 | gregj: hmm, not sure i like the sound of "the only tool tha does the job" |
| 11:02.26 | gregj | that's why I said "here" at the end of sentece |
| 11:02.30 | stephanb2 | gregj: however i do understand that FCP is an industry standard, and your client might request you to use it |
| 11:02.52 | gregj | he is known here (in .pl), and awarded, etc, etc |
| 11:02.57 | gregj | so I kinda trust him |
| 11:03.39 | stephanb2 | gregj: ok, there are other tool, but they are more expensive. and there is a cottage industry of FCP users |
| 11:04.16 | gregj | I know there are other tools, there are even great tools for linux for movie editing |
| 11:04.19 | gregj | and GPLed ones |
| 11:04.25 | gregj | well, actually there's only one |
| 11:04.26 | gregj | but still |
| 11:04.40 | gregj | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_editing_software |
| 11:05.02 | gregj | http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3 |
| 11:05.09 | stephanb2 | gregj: i would b interested to know if those "linux" editing packages are robust, and whether they can produce useable EDLs |
| 11:05.29 | gregj | there's quite large group of professional users around this packange |
| 11:05.32 | gregj | package |
| 11:05.47 | gregj | I never tried it in real work myself tho |
| 11:06.09 | gregj | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinelerra |
| 11:06.13 | gregj | this adds more to it |
| 11:06.23 | gregj | ti says that they release versions very rarely |
| 11:06.32 | gregj | so there's "commnity version" |
| 11:06.32 | stephanb2 | gregj: in my experience of music && graphics, most linux tools i've used were lagging seriously behind Adobe/Apple/xxx solutions |
| 11:06.46 | gregj | ardour is great, for music that is |
| 11:06.48 | gregj | I use it |
| 11:07.02 | gregj | but I tend to use apple more, because of the hardware issues. |
| 11:07.10 | gregj | drivers, and stuff |
| 11:07.13 | stephanb2 | gregj: i would b curious to have a conversation with you about music composition on linux |
| 11:07.29 | gregj | http://gj.pointblue.com.pl/projects/mymusic |
| 11:07.33 | stephanb2 | gregj: ardour is a DAW on linux,right ? |
| 11:07.45 | gregj | most stuff was recorded either on linux or mac |
| 11:07.47 | gregj | stephanb2: yes |
| 11:07.52 | gregj | stephanb2: and quite serious one |
| 11:08.06 | gregj | stephanb2: there are two comercial hardware vendors that are paying developers to work on it |
| 11:08.16 | gregj | one is SSL, and the second one I don't remember name of |
| 11:08.36 | stephanb2 | gregj: is there a decent midi sequencer on linux? apart from seq24, but that is more for live performance. |
| 11:08.36 | gregj | ssl stands for solid statte logic |
| 11:08.44 | gregj | rosegarden |
| 11:08.52 | gregj | or you mean synth ? |
| 11:09.06 | gregj | I use rosegarden |
| 11:09.33 | gregj | for softare synth I use qsynth, which is gui for some synth package I don't remember name of |
| 11:09.51 | stephanb2 | gregj: no, synth is almost non existant, unless you want experiemental stuff like Pd, jMAX, cecilia |
| 11:09.53 | gregj | I am on mac now, so can't look it up, since my laptop with linux is in a bag |
| 11:10.10 | stephanb2 | gregj: i never managed to compile || install rosegarden |
| 11:10.14 | gregj | I also use hydrogen for drums |
| 11:10.21 | gregj | apt-get install rosegarden :) |
| 11:10.25 | stephanb2 | gregj: no, don't look know, i'm just curious |
| 11:10.33 | gregj | and jack, jack is great |
| 11:10.53 | stephanb2 | gregj: i used Planet CCRMA packages on fedora. it was a mixed bag |
| 11:10.59 | gregj | equivlent on mac is soundflower |
| 11:11.19 | gregj | for music, linux should be compiled with RT functionality in mind |
| 11:11.24 | gregj | there are distros just for that |
| 11:11.45 | gregj | but I never had a chance to try them |
| 11:11.51 | stephanb2 | gregj: oh yes, Planet CCRMA have low-latency kernels |
| 11:12.05 | stephanb2 | gregj: but i wasn't going that direction |
| 11:13.17 | gregj | the music distro is called agnula, or something likethat |
| 11:13.35 | gregj | but I never used it |
| 11:14.36 | stephanb2 | gregj: oh yes, its based on Debian. It's only got a small selection of packages |
| 11:15.18 | gregj | yes, I am looking at it now |
| 11:15.22 | gregj | it doesn't have ardour2 tho |
| 11:15.27 | gregj | since ardour2 is still in beta stage |
| 11:15.44 | stephanb2 | gregj: it didn't have any of the stuff i was using at the time! |
| 11:16.34 | gregj | but the kernel is patched, etc |
| 11:16.51 | gregj | I tend to compile ardour and rosegarden from sources |
| 11:16.54 | gregj | and even hydrogen recently |
| 11:17.10 | gregj | since later is based on qt4, and there was no qt4 i debian last time I tried |
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| 11:47.32 | morsing | Erwin! |
| 11:47.38 | Erwin | hi tehre |
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| 12:00.27 | mikejw_ | lo |
| 12:03.18 | morsing | mikejw_! |
| 12:04.56 | rhowe | my, that's tasty |
| 12:06.26 | morsing | Cheese? |
| 12:07.24 | trousers | Good afternoon all! |
| 12:07.27 | rhowe | Yes, the garlic and herb creamy variety |
| 12:07.31 | rhowe | With smoked salmon |
| 12:07.41 | rhowe | on a sesame bagel |
| 12:16.22 | Leeds | hmmm... rj45 and usb sockets appear to be the same size - I keep plugging usb into the network connector on my laptop |
| 12:17.38 | rhowe | I guess that doesn't work |
| 12:17.47 | rhowe | Although it's an interesting idea for saving space on small devices |
| 12:18.34 | Leeds | oh, obviously they are a different shape, and there are no pins to connect to, but the plugs are the same width, so usb, being shorter, fits in the rj45 socket |
| 12:20.46 | rhowe | Sure |
| 12:21.10 | Erwin | Hmm, I saw some device which was usb + ethernet in one at some point |
| 12:21.22 | rhowe | So if you put some pins inside an RJ45 socket which would mate with a USB plug, but made them springy so that they could retract when you inserted an RJ45 connector, couldn't you make a socket which would accept either? |
| 12:21.52 | Erwin | Quick; to the patent office. |
| 12:31.50 | Blapto | I once put an audio connector into a usb port |
| 12:31.57 | Blapto | shorted +5V and GND |
| 12:32.06 | wethrin | oops |
| 12:32.20 | Blapto | PC shut down, but booted fine and has been running well since |
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| 12:34.28 | morsing | PussInBoots! |
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| 12:44.29 | morsing | TimMagic! |
| 12:44.45 | TimMagic | morsing |
| 12:44.46 | Leeds | some people call him... Tim! |
| 12:44.57 | TimMagic | leeds! |
| 12:45.06 | TimMagic | how the devil is everyone? |
| 12:45.26 | Leeds | in Hong Kong, planning on signing a short-term lease tomorrow, then seriously looking for a job... you? |
| 12:45.28 | JAV | hello |
| 12:46.08 | wethrin | is he an enchanter? |
| 12:46.49 | TimMagic | in london, planning for an interview in cardiff |
| 12:47.14 | TimMagic | i tohught you were coming back here - i must be out of the loop |
| 12:47.16 | TimMagic | s/tohught/thought/ |
| 12:47.28 | Leeds | I came, I saw, I conquered - then I came back here |
| 12:47.40 | TimMagic | fair dinkum |
| 12:55.49 | TimMagic | wow - neighbours is tough to catch up on when you miss it |
| 13:00.48 | cbz | hah |
| 13:00.59 | z00dax | TimMagic: take up kernel hacking |
| 13:01.16 | Leeds | z00dax: as long as that's the only person^Wthing he hacks |
| 13:01.56 | z00dax | Leeds: ouch |
| 13:10.12 | cbz | I dont' even have a TV |
| 13:18.08 | morsing | wethrin: Get some inoculars |
| 13:18.10 | morsing | b |
| 13:18.59 | cbz | move next door to a brace of hotjes |
| 13:30.58 | wethrin | :) |
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| 13:39.26 | morsing | Jasperw! |
| 13:40.30 | Leeds | does she know? |
| 13:45.55 | huw-l | TimMagic: enquiring minds (especially those currently residing in Cardiff) would like to know who the interview is with |
| 13:47.18 | Leeds | huw-l: uh, who are you talking to? |
| 13:48.06 | huw-l | didn't read down far enough to see the quit message :) |
| 13:52.13 | Leeds | anyway, isn't Tim our resident copper? in which case, there's a good chance you could guess who he'd be interviewing with... |
| 13:52.23 | Leeds | or is someone else the copper? |
| 13:53.24 | boudiccas | always ssounds rather disrespectful asking for 'Constable Magic' :) |
| 13:54.18 | Leeds | heh |
| 13:54.35 | Leeds | I sort of assumed his name wasn't actually Mr. Timothy Magic |
| 13:55.04 | boudiccas | he could've 'TM'd it :) |
| 14:01.54 | SlayerXP | maybe "Tim" is his surname |
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| 14:21.48 | sabinef72 | hi |
| 14:24.41 | sabinef72 | morsing ! |
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| 14:32.12 | stephanb2 | sabinef72! |
| 14:32.24 | angelchild | sabinef72! stephanb2! |
| 14:32.31 | stephanb2 | angelchild! |
| 14:32.39 | Blapto | Blapto! |
| 14:32.43 | angelchildc4 | Blapto! |
| 14:32.47 | sabinef72 | stephanb2: it was a very long time !!!!! Where were you ? |
| 14:32.51 | sabinef72 | hello angelchild |
| 14:32.51 | Blapto | err, angelchildc4! |
| 14:32.56 | angelchild | xD |
| 14:33.00 | Blapto | Feeling, errm, explosive? |
| 14:33.23 | stephanb2 | sabinef72: the network dudes at one of my work places have blocked the irc port |
| 14:33.38 | sabinef72 | arg |
| 14:33.47 | angelchild | hehe |
| 14:33.48 | Blapto | ssh, bitchx |
| 14:33.48 | stephanb2 | sabinef72: not that they mind irc, but it's used as a backdoor to a trojan |
| 14:33.48 | Blapto | brb |
| 14:34.11 | angelchild | our computer graphics lecturer showed us an exploding cube example today, which was rather amusing :) |
| 14:35.42 | stephanb2 | angelchild: u study computer graphics ? |
| 14:36.01 | angelchild | sure |
| 14:36.08 | angelchild | it's one of the modules in my 3rd year :) |
| 14:36.34 | stephanb2 | angelchild: oh so u study Siggraph stuff, algorithms and al. |
| 14:36.45 | angelchild | aye |
| 14:37.59 | stephanb2 | angelchild: and then? look for a job in a games company? |
| 14:40.22 | wethrin | 3rd year? AC's getting old! |
| 14:40.38 | angelchild | stephanb2: I suppose so :) I may start my own business |
| 14:40.41 | angelchild | hah |
| 14:40.51 | stephanb2 | :-o |
| 14:40.55 | angelchild | I'm only 20 80:) |
| 14:41.09 | wethrin | Yeah :) |
| 14:41.15 | wethrin | All the freshers look horribly young |
| 14:41.21 | angelchild | this is true |
| 14:43.12 | Leeds | I drove through Leeds Uni(s) during Fresher's Week... oh my god did I feel old, particularly because I used to hang around that area *before* I went to uni |
| 14:43.50 | wethrin | We need more students here :) |
| 14:43.54 | wethrin | Or more old people |
| 14:44.42 | boudiccas | wethrin; yay for us oldies :) |
| 14:45.03 | wethrin | :) |
| 14:45.55 | Blapto | couple of friends of mine just started at southhampton |
| 14:46.00 | Blapto | a mech eng and a politician |
| 14:46.22 | Blapto | And I'll be there for engineering in a couple of years |
| 14:46.35 | Leeds | so one of them is going to fix the world, and the other just thinks he/she is? |
| 14:46.54 | Blapto | The politician is just doing a degree because his parents say he's meant to |
| 14:46.57 | boudiccas | distrowatch was reporting yesterday that Oo.o 2.04 was out. anyone actually seen it in the wild? |
| 14:47.11 | Leeds | I saw it announced, but I've not bothered grabbing it |
| 14:47.37 | boudiccas | when i went to Oo.o they were still advertising the latest as 2.03 |
| 14:48.47 | wethrin | Leeds: Engineers break things |
| 14:48.51 | boudiccas | and are today |
| 15:08.26 | Blapto | Don't suppose anybody knows any microsoft guys in London looking for a full time job? |
| 15:09.53 | murb | Blapto: you mean windows sysadmins? |
| 15:11.47 | Blapto | Yes, I suppose I was more than a little vague there |
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| 15:47.46 | Leeds | he's back! |
| 15:48.08 | Leeds | TimMagic: you are Officer Tim, aren't you? |
| 15:49.54 | sabinef72 | TimMagic !!!!!!!!!! |
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| 15:55.39 | hali | anyone know of a good "enterprise" backup software for Linux that doesn't cost a fortune? like backupexec level but for linux |
| 15:56.31 | z00dax | backuppc ? |
| 15:56.51 | hali | need tape library support |
| 15:56.56 | antiphase | I'm not sure why you'd want one; the average PHB isn't going to trust the company's data to some open-source crock for the sake of a few grand |
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| 15:57.12 | hali | and point and click support so "power end users" can do recoveries |
| 15:57.18 | z00dax | antiphase: I will charge you £25,000 a year to support backuppc for you |
| 15:57.38 | z00dax | does backuppc not have tapelib support ? |
| 15:58.11 | hali | backuppc seems to low end |
| 15:59.03 | hali | we currently use vertias netbackup ... but need a cheaper for this system |
| 15:59.57 | wethrin | tar! |
| 16:00.21 | Leeds | bong bong bong, midnight and all's well |
| 16:00.41 | wethrin | You and your funny timezones |
| 16:00.53 | cbz | The average cheapskate PHB won't spend a penny on backups |
| 16:00.57 | Blapto | Surely midnight and all's Aarrrggh |
| 16:01.09 | Leeds | I do wonder if the guy who's spare room I'm nicking is still at work - I do know he's been working stupid hours recently - or if he's out somewhere |
| 16:02.16 | murb | hali: colocate a machine with lots of disk elsewhere, backup to it. |
| 16:02.35 | murb | backup remote machine. |
| 16:02.58 | Leeds | or rather $20 for the first year |
| 16:03.13 | murb | Leeds: what do you get for 20$? |
| 16:04.05 | murb | One of the hosting/colo providers i use gives out 50gb of backup space, but only avalible by ftp and only one session at a time. |
| 16:04.14 | hali | murb: need tape support, quite large quanties of data... and "real" incremental backups |
| 16:04.31 | murb | so i just added a pipe to gpp then one to | ftp, seems it works, but it isn't pretty. |
| 16:04.35 | Leeds | 200GB disk, increasing by 1GB per month, 2TB of b/w, increasing by 16GB per month |
| 16:04.47 | murb | Leeds: how to you get at it? |
| 16:05.39 | murb | ftp, sftp, cifs, nfs or webdav? |
| 16:05.44 | Leeds | ftp, ssh (which I assume means rsync, etc. is possible) |
| 16:05.58 | murb | if rsync was possible it would be neat. |
| 16:06.06 | murb | well if they store permissions |
| 16:06.09 | murb | and userids |
| 16:07.39 | Leeds | it's a Linux box... you could always do what I did at previous job - use rsync (actually rdiff-backup) locally, then just tar/cpio/etc the lot to the remote storage |
| 16:08.10 | Leeds | you do need a lot of local space, but unless you're doing something huge, local disk is cheap, and it's only a staging area |
| 16:08.49 | popey | rsnapshot++ |
| 16:09.09 | murb | Leeds: oh i'm using rdiff on its own then rsync for some stuff. |
| 16:09.20 | murb | (some databases which don't change much) |
| 16:09.30 | murb | but if you rsync then symlink well it gets expensive. |
| 16:09.33 | murb | s/symlink/hardlink/ |
| 16:09.39 | murb | linkpharming.. |
| 16:09.53 | Leeds | either way, I do it locally, then just tar up the local thing over smb to the office fileserver |
| 16:09.53 | boudiccas | rsnapshot |
| 16:10.07 | Leeds | of course, if it breaks, runs out of space, etc. now, it's not my problem |
| 16:10.17 | murb | boudiccas: is that another script written arround rsync? |
| 16:10.30 | boudiccas | yes, its another backup thingie |
| 16:10.51 | murb | I like to have my backups configured so i can take backup machine to client site boot it and have everythin gup and running. |
| 16:10.54 | murb | (for this i use Xen) |
| 16:11.08 | murb | so each machine backed up is on its own lv |
| 16:11.09 | Leeds | that's a different sort of backup |
| 16:11.16 | murb | Leeds: nah data backup as well. |
| 16:11.29 | murb | so everything is backed up, and with some symlinks you can boot it as well. |
| 16:11.35 | boudiccas | try BackupPC then |
| 16:11.38 | murb | so nice complete DR solutoin. |
| 16:13.51 | rhowe | hali: bacula? |
| 16:14.36 | hali | rhowe: i was looking at that... it looks quite ok... have you used it? |
| 16:14.48 | hali | got two friends who have used it.. one hates it, one says its ok :) |
| 16:14.54 | rhowe | hali: Yeah, I use it to back up 3 windows servers here |
| 16:15.10 | rhowe | hali: It's OK. The file inclusion/exclusion patterns are, um, odd |
| 16:15.19 | rhowe | hali: Other than that, it's pretty good |
| 16:15.35 | hali | im downloading arkeia atm... to evaluate that |
| 16:16.06 | rhowe | ugh |
| 16:16.14 | rhowe | We use that for a Linux box here |
| 16:16.20 | rhowe | It works, but it's not pretty |
| 16:16.56 | hali | so not worth the extra dosh compared to bacula? |
| 16:17.00 | boudiccas | I use BackupPC and rsnapshot on a standalone machine |
| 16:17.04 | hali | not sure how much it is, i'd guess a grand or so |
| 16:20.11 | murb | BackupPC looks interesting |
| 16:21.17 | murb | how do complete system restores work with BackupPc? |
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| 16:22.47 | TimMagic | leeds: yep |
| 16:31.11 | stephanb2 | boudiccas: how can backuppc restore a winXX system partition, if linux can't write to ntfs? |
| 16:33.00 | stephanb2 | oh hang on, that's an interesting read http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/faq/limitations.html |
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| 16:34.32 | Leeds | TimMagic: how's things going, anyway? |
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| 16:46.27 | TimMagic | yeah fine thanks |
| 16:46.31 | TimMagic | have an interview on tuesday |
| 16:59.07 | Blapto | Jones. Not Magic. |
| 16:59.15 | Blapto | Perhaps Jones is an anagram of Magic |
| 16:59.44 | Blapto | (People were wondering if your name was Mr Tim Magic earlier. Leeds though it wasn't but he didn't seem sure of himself) |
| 17:06.13 | TimMagic | blapto: it isnt but i might change it |
| 17:06.21 | TimMagic | does it ring ok? |
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| 17:31.41 | mikejw | yo |
| 17:32.48 | mikejw | does anyone know if there were emails regarding linuxworld being circulated today? |
| 17:33.19 | mikejw | I'm not getting spammed to hell after signing up to some student run mailing lists and I think I might have deleted them accidentally |
| 17:33.25 | mikejw | *now |
| 17:47.46 | Leeds | okay, looks like I have two things on my "to buy when have income" list - Wii and Treo 680 |
| 17:48.45 | Leeds | and zzzzzzz |
| 17:49.00 | mikejw | me wants Wii |
| 17:50.32 | mikejw | wow cool |
| 17:50.46 | Leeds | to the extent that on the recent trip back to the UK, I left my mate with my gamecube and a few games, and brought the rest back along with my wavebird, so I have stuff to play on it... |
| 17:51.29 | mikejw | Is Lik-sang renowned for delivering the ni'tendos (as my uncle used to call them) |
| 17:52.29 | mikejw | :) |
| 17:52.33 | Leeds | yup... got my ds (original) shipped to the UK from them before I moved out here |
| 17:54.04 | mikejw | oh ok so he's an imports specialist? |
| 17:54.46 | mikejw | I was going to rely an on an amzon pre-order as long as I had the spare mario coins |
| 17:55.27 | Leeds | it's a big-ish company |
| 17:56.38 | Leeds | if you look at http://wanderingjew.co.uk/static/lik-sang.pdf their warehouse is in the building called 'Broadway' right at the bottom, I worked on Fui Yiu Kok Street, to the north-east |
| 17:57.50 | Leeds | lik-sang largely exists to do video game import/export, globally - they source stuff in the east and ship it to the west - prices are usually reasonable for the west and pretty expensive for the east :-) |
| 17:59.26 | Leeds | hmm... they have an open spot for a web developer (I've got to get into the habit of looking for jobs) but it's php/mysql |
| 18:04.10 | Leeds | anyway, 2am... zzzzz for real |
| 18:04.33 | mikejw | :D |
| 18:04.38 | mikejw | g'night buddy |
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| 18:10.21 | boudiccas | I've forgotten my mysql password and user details. how can i reset them please? |
| 18:11.43 | cpufreak | stop mysql |
| 18:11.46 | cpufreak | and start it with |
| 18:11.50 | cpufreak | --skip-grant-tables |
| 18:18.27 | cpufreak | then mysql -uroot |
| 18:18.29 | cpufreak | and do |
| 18:18.34 | cpufreak | update mysql.user set Password=password('cockface') where user='root'; |
| 18:18.50 | cpufreak | sorry for the delay, I got distracted by work |
| 18:19.08 | cpufreak | that'll set your password to cockface |
| 18:32.02 | boudiccas | sabinettef72 is in the kitchen |
| 18:33.08 | boudiccas | I've got a sticky key #7. i think that it might be beer, so how do i unsticky it please? |
| 18:34.04 | mikejw | beer you say? |
| 18:34.21 | boudiccas | yes, beer! |
| 18:34.31 | boudiccas | sloppy beer drinker |
| 18:35.12 | mikejw | unfold a paper clip and prise out key #7 |
| 18:35.32 | cpufreak | boudiccas: its normally polite to say thank you when someone answers your question with the correct answer |
| 18:35.45 | morsing | Moo |
| 18:35.49 | boudiccas | but i use key 7 a lot! :) |
| 18:36.16 | mikejw | just use a 6 instead :P |
| 18:36.24 | boudiccas | cpufreak; sorry, for not responding. i thought i had ... thank you :) |
| 18:36.29 | cpufreak | :) |
| 18:36.31 | cpufreak | ddid it work. |
| 18:37.38 | boudiccas | i used ... mysqladmin -u root password 'foobox' .... as suggested by someone [i forget who] in #centos |
| 18:41.16 | cpufreak | that'd work too |
| 18:41.33 | boudiccas | either way i'm now into its guts :) |
| 18:41.43 | cpufreak | remmeber to stop+restart mysqld again without the skip grant tables |
| 18:42.04 | cpufreak | as otherwise someone else may get into its guts and drop database boudiccas; |
| 18:42.56 | boudiccas | this is a standalone machine in a single occupancy flat, but being security concious is a good thing to be. thanks :) |
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| 18:59.54 | trousers | Hallo all! |
| 19:01.40 | mikejw | hi trousers |
| 19:01.46 | mikejw | ttfn peeps |
| 19:04.22 | trousers | Bai |
| 19:05.25 | z00dax | ah, mozratMX met up with sabinef72 ? |
| 19:22.15 | wethrin | boing |
| 19:22.27 | z00dax | boing boing boing |
| 19:22.44 | wethrin | yarr! |
| 19:35.03 | trousers | Harr! |
| 20:19.07 | boudiccas | how do you concantenate searches of locate please? I want to search for ...'cne & phone' but it doesn't work |
| 20:21.25 | wethrin | locate cne | grep phone |
| 20:21.53 | boudiccas | wethrin; ty :) |
| 20:22.01 | wethrin | yw :) |
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| 21:32.30 | sabinef72 | z00dax: yes mozratMX was in Paris, so we had dinner together ! |
| 21:33.37 | boudiccas | what does 'grep' mean please? |
| 21:34.07 | boudiccas | ?Gnome-REP? |
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| 21:37.45 | boudiccas | ?Gnome-REPeat? |
| 21:37.49 | sabinef72 | hi boudiccas |
| 21:37.52 | boudiccas | hiyas |
| 21:38.46 | serris | hi boudiccas |
| 21:39.12 | boudiccas | serris; hiya. you must be on days off? :) |
| 21:39.33 | serris | indeed |
| 21:39.59 | boudiccas | serris; btw, i picked up an apllication form and will be applying after my holiday, just trying to sort out some referees atm |
| 21:40.34 | wethrin | General Regular Expression Parser |
| 21:40.44 | serris | : ) |
| 21:40.51 | serris | they actually check the references |
| 21:40.54 | serris | They checked mine out |
| 21:40.55 | serris | =/ |
| 21:41.01 | boudiccas | wethrin; ty :) |
| 21:41.24 | boudiccas | i thought that they might do, thats why i want rock solid references |
| 21:42.09 | serris | It took me a while to get a job there cause I didn't have an NI number |
| 21:42.47 | boudiccas | Global Regular Expression Parser |
| 21:42.47 | boudiccas | <jenocin> The name comes from a command in the Unix text editor ed that takes the form: g/re/p |
| 21:42.47 | boudiccas | <jenocin> Other (incorrect) backronyms of the name exist, including: General Regular Expression Parser, General Regular Expression Print, Global Regular Expression Parser, and Global Regular Expression Print, though the last example is not entirely wrong. |
| 21:42.47 | boudiccas | <jenocin> from wikipedia |
| 21:42.48 | wethrin | Close enough |
| 21:42.51 | boudiccas | ah, i've had one since 1973 |
| 21:42.55 | mozratMX | and benoit |
| 21:43.19 | boudiccas | mozrat; any relation of benelton? |
| 21:44.13 | boudiccas | ibot wake mozrat |
| 21:44.14 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on mozrat and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 21:44.15 | sabinef72 | mozrat: I forget to take a picture..... |
| 21:45.07 | mozrat | sabinef72! |
| 21:45.10 | mozrat | no, thank you |
| 21:45.19 | mozrat | hi morsing |
| 21:45.26 | mozrat | umm, hi boudiccas |
| 21:45.35 | boudiccas | hiyas |
| 21:45.58 | boudiccas | too much arabian wine, ben-oit |
| 21:46.39 | mozrat | sabinef72: and seriously, you are welcome to stay when you visit London |
| 21:47.07 | boudiccas | i'd hate to work with ibot, shouting Good Morning at all hours of the day or night |
| 21:47.36 | sabinef72 | mozrat: thank you. I'll try to come in november |
| 21:47.48 | sabinef72 | why not my birthday in London ? |
| 21:47.55 | sabinef72 | that should be a nice plan |
| 21:48.01 | boudiccas | come for the 5th November, and enjoy the fireworks |
| 21:48.32 | sabinef72 | why fireworks on 5th november ? |
| 21:48.41 | boudiccas | Guy Fawkes night |
| 21:49.08 | serris | boudiccas: we have a massive container in the yard at work full of fireworks |
| 21:49.08 | boudiccas | celebrating the Gunpowder Plot being discovered and the House of Parliamnet =not= being blown up |
| 21:49.19 | wethrin | Any excuse for a party :) |
| 21:49.31 | boudiccas | serris; tempting, very tempting |
| 21:49.41 | serris | I was. They left the doors open |
| 21:49.42 | sabinef72 | boudiccas: thank you for the information. That's sound great |
| 21:50.00 | mozrat | sabinef72: sure! |
| 21:50.02 | serris | But me + fireworks don't match. |
| 21:50.30 | boudiccas | think 'V for Vendetta' and you've got the idea of Guy Fawkes |
| 21:50.34 | sabinef72 | can I ask a firework for my birthday ? |
| 21:51.04 | boudiccas | you can ask a firework anything you like, they tend to go bang regardless and look pretty |
| 21:51.44 | sabinef72 | is it everywhere in london ? |
| 21:51.52 | boudiccas | UK-wide |
| 21:52.05 | boudiccas | in every village, hamlet and twon and city |
| 21:52.09 | boudiccas | *town |
| 21:52.25 | serris | I hate going into central London on Guy Fawke night |
| 21:52.34 | sabinef72 | serris: why ? |
| 21:52.42 | murb | sabinef72: it is like a war zone. |
| 21:52.45 | boudiccas | wherever two or three shall gather, there shall arise a bonfire, and later fireworks |
| 21:52.45 | serris | Too many people |
| 21:53.05 | sabinef72 | serris: it's a pity because it sounds very pretty |
| 21:53.08 | murb | although if you want to snipe at people in the street it is probably a good time of year. |
| 21:53.31 | mozrat | sabinef72: http://beerandspeech.org/index.php?/archives/283-In-Paris.html |
| 21:53.51 | serris | Well it's pretty all over. They have more fire power in C. London but you get a fair share of fireworks all around greater london too |
| 21:53.55 | murb | and a good cover for playing with improvised explosive devices. |
| 21:54.13 | sabinef72 | mozrat: this is the place I went today : http://www.mondial-automobile.com/gb/index.htm?rubrique=expo |
| 21:54.47 | mozrat | very cool |
| 21:56.52 | boudiccas | mozrat; new stress busters went out today |
| 21:57.18 | boudiccas | need more members for the list, and suggestions please? |
| 21:57.24 | sabinef72 | mozrat: you had a long day, you have to sleep now ! |
| 21:58.10 | mozrat | sabinef72: yeah |
| 21:58.19 | mozrat | boudiccas: you want new writers? |
| 21:58.37 | boudiccas | no recipients |
| 21:58.52 | boudiccas | maybe new writers later |
| 21:59.42 | boudiccas | I'm a one-man band and I'll sing it all my way |
| 21:59.49 | mozrat | heh |
| 22:00.06 | boudiccas | sleeping tablet beginning to kick in, nn all |
| 22:04.54 | mozrat | nn boudiccas |
| 22:05.33 | sabinef72 | good night boudiccas |
| 22:09.48 | sabinef72 | well time for bed .... |
| 22:09.51 | sabinef72 | good night all |
| 22:10.15 | mozrat | nn sabinef72 |
