| 00:48.10 | rhowe | ping * |
| 00:49.06 | z00dax | rhowe: fish ? |
| 00:51.15 | rhowe | apt-get install freedoom prboom |
| 00:51.23 | rhowe | && prboom -net doufu.siksai.co.uk |
| 00:51.42 | rhowe | add a -deathmatch to that :) |
| 00:52.53 | z00dax | ibot: prboom |
| 00:52.54 | ibot | prboom is a Doom engine, fully compatible with the original game, which uses the SDL graphics library. See htp://prboom.sourceforge.net/. To fix prboom for the SL-C760 do: echo SL-C760 > /proc/deviceinfo/product |
| 00:53.11 | z00dax | ah humm... |
| 00:53.47 | z00dax | I just moved my main mail store from : |
| 00:53.49 | z00dax | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.55 | z00dax | to this |
| 00:53.57 | z00dax | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.11 | z00dax | and somehow cyrus is flying again :) even with 380 GB of emails |
| 00:55.25 | rhowe | heh |
| 00:55.46 | rhowe | My mail spool is on |
| 00:55.46 | rhowe | My mail spool is on Timing buffered disk reads: 44 MB in 3.03 seconds = 14.50 MB/sec |
| 00:56.56 | z00dax | that would work fine, as long as there isnt much going on - and there are a few people using it |
| 00:57.25 | rhowe | /dev/md0: 8.48GiB raid1 2 devices, 0 spares. |
| 00:57.30 | z00dax | a few friends share my mailstore, and i need to start reminding people to delete old email |
| 00:57.32 | rhowe | There's precisely one person using it :) |
| 00:58.16 | z00dax | my mail machine has something like 380gb used, its a raid-1+lvm span, 4x200gb hdd's |
| 00:59.08 | z00dax | going from the ide controller on the mobo to a cheapass sil based one, took speed from 12MiB/sec to 55 Mib/Sec |
| 01:00.17 | z00dax | it also seems that 100 odd gig from that 380 is stuff in people's homedir's |
| 01:00.48 | z00dax | blah. i'll just email everyone to clear out their shit |
| 01:00.50 | rhowe | heh |
| 01:01.09 | rhowe | Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 03 Lun: 00 Vendor: COMPAQ Model: BB00912301 Rev: B016 |
| 01:01.14 | z00dax | i doubt anyone else gets as much email as I do - specially with the maillists etc, and i only have 29 gigs |
| 01:01.19 | rhowe | Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: DEC Model: RZ2CD-KS (C) DEC Rev: 0306 |
| 01:01.30 | z00dax | that 29 gigs dates back to something like 1998 |
| 01:01.31 | rhowe | The latter is the OS drive, the other is one of a pair which hold the mail spool |
| 01:01.43 | z00dax | mails older than that were backedup to CD's :) |
| 01:02.00 | z00dax | if you ever sent me an email since Christmas 1995, I have it |
| 01:02.04 | rhowe | heh |
| 01:02.24 | z00dax | damn, that controller has had quite a long life |
| 01:02.35 | z00dax | what sort of a machine is that ? |
| 01:02.40 | rhowe | Alphastation 500AU |
| 01:02.46 | rhowe | er, sorry |
| 01:02.51 | rhowe | Personal Workstation 500AU |
| 01:02.57 | rhowe | although the two compaq drives were ebayed |
| 01:03.03 | z00dax | what are you running on it ? |
| 01:03.07 | rhowe | Debian |
| 01:03.17 | z00dax | cool |
| 01:03.24 | rhowe | I tried a few BSDs, but couldn't get them to not blow up when I tried hotswapping drives |
| 01:03.26 | z00dax | i wonder if one can find OSF/1 anywhere |
| 01:03.30 | rhowe | Then again, Linux doesn't cope much better |
| 01:03.47 | rhowe | Easy to lock up the SCSI controller |
| 01:04.05 | z00dax | the latest md/dm-raid has hotswap even for s/w raided drives |
| 01:04.19 | z00dax | (I've not tried it myself ) |
| 01:06.10 | z00dax | got a £123 electric bill last month |
| 01:06.10 | z00dax | i need to start turning more machines off more often |
| 01:06.33 | rhowe | hm.. prboom sucks over the internet |
| 01:07.06 | z00dax | i guess its the adsl upload rate that gets in the way |
| 01:08.49 | rhowe | Well I have ~500Kbit/s or more - 53ms latency is pretty poor though |
| 01:14.32 | z00dax | off to sleep |
| 05:25.42 | morsing | 'morning |
| 06:27.36 | sabinef72 | mojitooooo |
| 06:28.26 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 06:44.25 | Leeds | afternoon sabinef72 |
| 07:03.17 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@203.142.127.239) |
| 07:04.25 | Leeds | this is an experiment - I've taken my wifi down and am now just connecting over bluetooth/edge... |
| 07:05.15 | Leeds | it appears to be fast/reliable enough to stream 6music, which I call a usable Internet connection :-) |
| 07:08.52 | morsing | Nice |
| 07:09.33 | Leeds | not quite fast enough to do so reliably while loading big web pages... but it's a usable, faster-than-dial-up, always-on, unmetered connection |
| 07:10.24 | morsing | Why can XPs media player not play a DVD? |
| 07:12.16 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 07:12.17 | morsing | ? |
| 07:12.20 | Leeds | licensing? |
| 07:12.28 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 07:13.37 | Leeds | I do respect Virgin Radio - go to their site and click on listen now and get: "VIRGIN RADIO ON OGG VORBIS - The best sound for Linux users and more - Open-source and open now: our Ogg Vorbis streams sound great" |
| 07:19.14 | serris | Morning |
| 07:20.23 | Leeds | also, I'm impressed at just how listen-able a stereo 16KHz 32kbit vorbis stream is |
| 07:20.36 | morsing | serris! |
| 07:22.24 | serris | How's it going? |
| 07:29.08 | Leeds | nice... personal speed check - downloading a 3.6MB avi file from my server at my old office - shows sustained throughput over 20KB/s, within Hong Kong at least |
| 07:29.41 | Leeds | appalling latency, of course, but that's only to be expected |
| 07:38.12 | morsing | Nice |
| 07:46.59 | Leeds | okay, connection is *not* fast enough to stream audio from the UK and browse graphic-intensive sites at the same time |
| 07:48.59 | morsing | Nice |
| 07:49.13 | Leeds | huh? |
| 07:52.43 | morsing | eeeeeeeee |
| 08:05.23 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@n058152235141.netvigator.com) |
| 08:05.38 | Leeds | and... back on wifi |
| 08:16.12 | morsing | Check it! |
| 08:39.48 | trousers | Morn/sing |
| 08:46.07 | morsing | Wouldn't that be Mor{s,n}ing? |
| 08:46.10 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 08:46.12 | morsing | ? |
| 08:52.53 | Leeds | what? |
| 09:15.50 | morsing | Leeds: Check it! |
| 09:22.06 | Leeds | what? |
| 09:23.48 | morsing | LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDS! |
| 09:24.05 | Leeds | mozrat? |
| 09:25.08 | morsing | George! |
| 09:28.28 | Leeds | where??? |
| 09:30.46 | morsing | I'm George! |
| 09:35.06 | *** join/#gllug David_Edmundson (n=david@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 09:35.20 | Leeds | I'm Brian |
| 09:35.21 | morsing | David_Edmundson! |
| 09:35.34 | David_Edmundson | yes? |
| 09:35.43 | morsing | I'm George |
| 09:35.54 | David_Edmundson | I'm David |
| 09:35.58 | morsing | Really?! |
| 09:36.02 | David_Edmundson | yeah |
| 09:36.21 | morsing | Leeds: Are you going to clear this up for David? |
| 09:38.59 | David_Edmundson | clearly not |
| 09:45.38 | Leeds | ? |
| 09:50.55 | *** join/#gllug JohnDoe666 (n=JohnDoe6@82-69-10-95.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 09:53.50 | *** join/#gllug floo (n=gary@host-84-9-87-176.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 09:54.14 | floo | good morning people |
| 09:54.28 | David_Edmundson | good morning mr floo |
| 09:54.58 | floo | nice to see I'm not the onlyone up at such an unfashionable hour |
| 09:57.21 | David_Edmundson | 11:00 isn't that unfashionable |
| 09:57.37 | floo | perhaps not |
| 09:57.45 | David_Edmundson | also since when have geeks been fashionable? |
| 09:57.54 | floo | although it would be for my nephew |
| 09:58.08 | floo | I don't imagine he'll be up much before 1 |
| 09:58.20 | Leeds | evening floo |
| 09:58.21 | floo | good point re: geeks |
| 09:58.28 | floo | hello to you mate |
| 09:58.30 | Leeds | and it's 6pm here :-) |
| 09:58.38 | floo | what's your local time then? |
| 09:58.43 | David_Edmundson | you're in Hong Kong right? |
| 09:58.46 | floo | ah hah |
| 09:59.09 | floo | how's your day been leeds |
| 10:00.01 | floo | Oh, and thanks for helping me celebrate my birthday last month. |
| 10:00.25 | Leeds | not bad - had a late night, so had a late morning - went for a walk around the block to the supermarket and otherwise have had a day in |
| 10:00.38 | Leeds | pleasure - thanks for calling a meet-up on the night I'd planned one elsewhere... |
| 10:00.45 | floo | hacking away no doubt |
| 10:01.03 | floo | did you say that you'd been dismissed from your job? |
| 10:01.19 | Leeds | yes |
| 10:01.39 | floo | so are you coming back to England or staying put? |
| 10:01.44 | Leeds | don't have a new one yet - spent a week finding a place to live, had to pop out of Hong Kong on Monday to sort out a visa issue, and the next job is to get a new job here |
| 10:02.06 | floo | so your happy in Hong Kong then? |
| 10:02.13 | Leeds | yup |
| 10:02.36 | floo | and how's the diabetes? |
| 10:03.38 | Leeds | had an invite to a comedy club last night for a friend's birthday... had called the club to be told it was sold out... called 30 minutes before the show, told there was a little space, threw some clothes on and got there just before it started, ended up walking half-way home (by choice) at 3am having been to three bars - one with a Linux box on the bar :-) |
| 10:04.05 | Leeds | not there... still got to deal with the weight thing, but my sugar levels are normal, stable and not under any treatment |
| 10:04.44 | floo | Losing wieghtisn't easy, well at least for me aqnyway! |
| 10:05.17 | floo | Linux in Hong Kong... |
| 10:05.23 | floo | How cool is that |
| 10:06.35 | Erwin | linux in the bar? was it something like http://toyvax.glendale.ca.us/~vance/vaxbar.html ? |
| 10:06.40 | Leeds | I'm geeky enough that I was sitting there with four women, and out of the corner of my eye I noticed a machine on the bar (used for billing, I think) rebooting - saw it at a BIOS screen... couldn't make out what it was booting, but I've seen enough Linux machines booting in the past decade to recognise it at 100 paces :-) |
| 10:07.01 | Leeds | Erwin: um, no... |
| 10:07.46 | floo | I don't suppose you'll be going to linuxexpo will you? |
| 10:10.13 | Leeds | not unless someone wants to comp me a flight, no |
| 10:10.29 | morsing | floo! |
| 10:10.45 | floo | hi Henrik how's it going? |
| 10:11.01 | morsing | Ok I suppose |
| 10:11.38 | trousers | floo, I don't believe we have met... |
| 10:12.51 | floo | No we haven't but your name sounds intriguing |
| 10:12.59 | Leeds | "where we you while we were getting high?" |
| 10:13.20 | floo | At the Printworks |
| 10:14.03 | sabinef72 | hello |
| 10:14.21 | floo | hi Sabine |
| 10:14.37 | David_Edmundson | hey trousers |
| 10:14.44 | trousers | Hello David_Edmundson |
| 10:15.08 | floo | leeds: 100 yards to the left |
| 10:15.19 | David_Edmundson | your job application got through, though it's not looking too positive as "work experience is more troube than it's worth" |
| 10:15.42 | trousers | David_Edmundson: Yeah, Feral never responded - but it's okay because ARM accepted me :) |
| 10:15.44 | floo | the experience trap |
| 10:15.51 | sabinef72 | Leeds: it's a pity "send a postcard" can't be done by website.... |
| 10:15.58 | David_Edmundson | wow. That's good going |
| 10:16.09 | David_Edmundson | ARM didn't accept me when I applied for intern-ness |
| 10:16.28 | trousers | That's probably because this is only for two weeks |
| 10:17.00 | Leeds | sabinef72: I think they call it an 'electronic mail message' or something |
| 10:17.04 | floo | Well I'm looking for a new job. I've had enopugh of teaching |
| 10:17.17 | trousers | floo: What do you teach? |
| 10:17.33 | floo | ESOL and IT |
| 10:17.48 | trousers | ESOL? |
| 10:18.21 | floo | English for Speakers of Other Languages |
| 10:18.22 | trousers | Never mind, Wikipedia'd :) |
| 10:18.23 | sabinef72 | Leeds : lol |
| 10:18.45 | floo | but it should be spelt ASOL |
| 10:18.47 | trousers | floo: Secondary school, or? |
| 10:18.52 | floo | or RSOL |
| 10:19.10 | floo | no, adults |
| 10:19.22 | floo | I'd end up smacking the little gits! |
| 10:19.33 | floo | really! |
| 10:20.07 | sabinef72 | yes but near my home |
| 10:20.15 | floo | where do you live? |
| 10:20.29 | sabinef72 | in Paris |
| 10:20.35 | floo | lol |
| 10:20.38 | Leeds | floo: you could probably get a job in a school out here, for what it's worth... not saying it'd be easy, but there does seem to be constant demand for proper teachers |
| 10:20.44 | sabinef72 | I need an english man or woman to help me with my bad english |
| 10:20.49 | sabinef72 | floo: yes it's true |
| 10:21.09 | floo | I'm in London |
| 10:21.12 | trousers | sabinef72: Your English doesn't seem to bad from IRC? |
| 10:21.36 | floo | I can see a few logistical problems getting in the way |
| 10:21.38 | Leeds | floo: so? move to Paris! |
| 10:21.41 | sabinef72 | trousers: yes not so bad, but not fluent |
| 10:21.49 | sabinef72 | floo: yes come in Paris |
| 10:21.50 | trousers | And GLLUG from Paris? :S |
| 10:22.08 | sabinef72 | yes that's possible |
| 10:22.19 | Leeds | trousers: I was at the last meeting... |
| 10:22.24 | sabinef72 | trousers: we can organize some meetings in paris |
| 10:22.25 | floo | Leeds: I know and I am considering it |
| 10:22.51 | trousers | Leeds: You were living in HK at the time? |
| 10:23.03 | Leeds | well, I was visiting London at the time |
| 10:23.48 | trousers | Hmm, I really need to get involved in some SourceForge projects to improve my programming -_- |
| 10:24.07 | sabinef72 | floo: I can promised you to show you how much Paris is beautiful if you come there |
| 10:24.08 | floo | Sabine: Fluency is a matter of constant practice and time. follow that rule and you'll be fine. I agree with trousers by the way.. Your English 'reads' very well |
| 10:24.28 | trousers | Which reminds me: Is programming language specific? e.g. Japanese C? |
| 10:24.45 | Leeds | sabinef72: although that last line is lacking a little |
| 10:24.50 | floo | I'm trying to learn 'c' at the moment |
| 10:25.15 | sabinef72 | floo: that's the reason why I would like to find an english studient to speak english. This exercice is already a little bit more difficult for me |
| 10:25.19 | Leeds | trousers: no - in general, all mainstream languages are very English-centric... at worst, you might find comments, or very rarely function/variable names in other Latin-ish languages |
| 10:25.29 | floo | yes the used the past simple tense of promise. but don't worry, it's not that big a mistake |
| 10:25.44 | trousers | It's still understandable :) |
| 10:25.51 | floo | And I forgot a full stop at th end of my last sentence. |
| 10:26.02 | floo | and an 'e' too: |
| 10:26.10 | trousers | Leeds: Cheers for clearing that up :) |
| 10:27.22 | floo | Paris is a beautiful place. but I'd have to learn French. |
| 10:27.40 | floo | a bit too long in the tooth for that I think. |
| 10:27.43 | sabinef72 | floo: you will give me english lessons and I'll give you french lessons |
| 10:28.09 | sabinef72 | I'm already a kind of teacher because I already do it with a man who comes from Argentina |
| 10:28.29 | floo | I can't just drop everything and go. I'd need a regular inconme, a place tolive etc... |
| 10:29.03 | floo | good for you!! |
| 10:30.05 | floo | Anyway, gotta go people. Hope to see some of you at linuxworld |
| 10:30.12 | trousers | I don't understand languages - I mean when does the point come where you can actually think in a language? |
| 10:30.17 | trousers | floo: Should be there :) |
| 10:30.19 | Leeds | seeya |
| 10:30.20 | *** part/#gllug floo (n=gary@host-84-9-87-176.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 10:30.36 | Leeds | trousers: you mean a natural language, I assume, rather than a programming language? |
| 10:30.46 | trousers | Yes |
| 10:31.00 | Erwin | trousers: Sure, I've almost forgotton my native language and think mostly in language #2 (Danish) or #3 (English) |
| 10:31.10 | trousers | Can that happen in a programming language? ;) |
| 10:31.21 | trousers | Erwin: Language #1 being? |
| 10:31.27 | Leeds | a lot depends on how old you are, I think - up to a certain age it's very easy to become fluent/native in a language, beyond a higher age it's very hard |
| 10:31.44 | Erwin | trousers: Polish. |
| 10:32.19 | sabinef72 | Erwin: where do you come from ? |
| 10:32.23 | Leeds | it's also much much easier to learn a language and become effortlessly fluent if you're living somewhere where you're surrounded with the language |
| 10:32.24 | trousers | I mean, I can speak a bit of German - but I don't *think* in German, I just know the basic structure and that one word in English is the same as another in German - I wouldn't be able to understand German comedy :) |
| 10:32.28 | Erwin | Anyway, most thought activity isn't vocalized or in a specific language, it's subconscious. |
| 10:32.46 | Erwin | sabinef72: It's a country where the native language is Polish. I won't give you any more hints. |
| 10:32.50 | Leeds | trousers: I *could* understand Hebrew humour after less than a year in the country |
| 10:32.58 | Leeds | Erwin: ah, Greater Germany? |
| 10:33.01 | trousers | Erwin: I always think in English, Maths or pictures :S |
| 10:33.06 | David_Edmundson | that's just odd |
| 10:33.07 | sabinef72 | Erwin: I dunno what is Polish |
| 10:33.18 | David_Edmundson | it's what you use to make things shiny |
| 10:33.21 | trousers | sabinef72: Country east of Germany? |
| 10:33.26 | David_Edmundson | and what the loud angry people above us speak |
| 10:33.27 | Leeds | David_Edmundson: beat me to it :-) |
| 10:33.41 | Leeds | sabinef72: Poland... |
| 10:33.48 | sabinef72 | ok I see |
| 10:34.04 | Leeds | where Poles (known for their native dancing) and Polish comes from |
| 10:34.08 | David_Edmundson | do _all_ polish people need to constantly throw heavy objects on the floor between the hours of 4AM and 5AM. |
| 10:34.08 | Leeds | aka London |
| 10:34.40 | trousers | La Pologne? |
| 10:34.42 | David_Edmundson | lots of polka too. |
| 10:35.22 | sabinef72 | trousers: yes "La Pologne" |
| 10:35.34 | sabinef72 | Poland is too much cold for me |
| 10:35.34 | David_Edmundson | Oh dear. I just read in the #kubuntu channel "Help I can't get the internet on this machine" |
| 10:35.52 | trousers | Arf |
| 10:36.27 | trousers | Maybe they were pointing to another machine whilst saying it? :P |
| 10:36.36 | David_Edmundson | I'd like to think so |
| 10:36.47 | David_Edmundson | I've quit from the channel now in case my mind melts |
| 10:37.49 | trousers | Quick, fetch the mind bleach! |
| 10:40.35 | David_Edmundson | anyone fancy proof reading an article before I submit it to digg? |
| 10:41.33 | David_Edmundson | it's about getting free internet access in Victoria station. |
| 10:42.23 | trousers | http://gallery.slacker.com/albums/strange/joyoftech115.gif :o |
| 10:42.34 | trousers | David_Edmundson: How, exactly? |
| 10:42.54 | David_Edmundson | sharpley.or.g |
| 10:42.56 | David_Edmundson | grr |
| 10:43.05 | David_Edmundson | http://sharpley.org.uk/~david/ |
| 10:44.47 | trousers | David_Edmundson: So you can ssh -D 8443 then redirect browser through SOCKS to localhost:8443? |
| 10:45.18 | David_Edmundson | pretty much. |
| 10:45.54 | David_Edmundson | (/me runs to read about -D instead of -L ) |
| 10:47.01 | morsing | Check it! |
| 10:47.05 | trousers | Howdy |
| 10:47.24 | trousers | Also, I think I know what to do with PuTTY |
| 10:47.55 | David_Edmundson | awesome, if you could write a sentence I'll dump it in |
| 10:48.32 | Erwin | There's a new Treo 680 out, and apparently you can get it in Crimson Red. |
| 10:51.52 | trousers | Okay, got it working on Windows |
| 10:53.38 | David_Edmundson | pretty mad tunneling skills |
| 10:53.59 | trousers | I think it's: Open PuTTY, SSH|Tunnels, source port = 8443, select dynamic, add. Session, enter IP address, choose SSH, open. Enter username + PW. Firefox, tools, options, connection settings, proxy=SOCKS host, v5, 127.0.0.1:8443 |
| 10:54.00 | trousers | :) |
| 10:54.05 | David_Edmundson | though I've gotta run Look Around You live final is being put on TV |
| 10:54.11 | David_Edmundson | awesome. |
| 10:54.13 | David_Edmundson | cheers |
| 11:17.22 | sabinef72 | my god to come in England, plane is less expensive than train |
| 11:18.46 | morsing | Of course |
| 11:20.21 | sabinef72 | why of course ? |
| 11:20.25 | sabinef72 | I didn't know that |
| 11:22.34 | Leeds | Erwin: you seen anyone with real idea on prices for the 680? |
| 11:24.02 | Erwin | Leeds: Nope, just saw an article today |
| 11:24.39 | Erwin | Leeds: Doesn't the 700 already have the same features *and* a 1mipx camera? |
| 11:25.32 | Leeds | yes, but it's not available in palmos/gsm |
| 11:26.19 | Erwin | Isn't it? palm has a 700p on their page, says it's shipping |
| 11:26.27 | Leeds | although palmos is apparently no longer called palmos, because the company which makes the software sold the name to the company which makes the hardware - so it's a Palm Treo 680, but not running PalmOS |
| 11:26.57 | Leeds | where is there a 700p for gsm? |
| 11:27.43 | Leeds | oh, and the 680 isn't actually available yet - should be within a few weeks though |
| 11:28.03 | Erwin | Oh, I would have supposed they all were quad-band |
| 11:28.15 | Leeds | uh, no - CDMA, not GSM |
| 11:30.24 | Leeds | the story appears to be that PalmOS simply cannot handle the combination of UMTS and GSM, so they're stuck with mass-market (i.e. low-end) GSM PalmOS Treos until they can come up with something better |
| 11:31.21 | Leeds | anyway, 'tis now 7:30 pm, and I'm going to wander down the hill to find some food... |
| 11:32.26 | antiphase | digg appears to be for weenies |
| 12:54.02 | morsing | Nice |
| 13:04.50 | trousers | Hmm, I want to try some Kernel hacking - but for no specific reason :P Where should I start? |
| 13:06.52 | David_Edmundson | Norway. |
| 13:07.03 | David_Edmundson | I dont' know why I love hanging round IRC making stupid comments, but I do. |
| 13:07.21 | David_Edmundson | in seriousness. that's a bit extremecore. |
| 13:08.07 | David_Edmundson | the kernels full of functions which just call other functions, and can be ever so confusing |
| 13:10.08 | Leeds | trousers: kernel janitors? |
| 13:10.47 | trousers | Leeds: janitors? |
| 13:11.28 | Leeds | http://janitor.kernelnewbies.org/ |
| 13:11.55 | trousers | Oooh, thank you Mr. Leeds |
| 13:12.30 | Leeds | no idea how active it is |
| 13:12.41 | trousers | So I just download the source code for the Kernel and poke around in it? |
| 13:13.25 | Leeds | you certainly can do that, but there are probably more constructive ways of doing it |
| 13:13.43 | trousers | Also, how do you compile and replace a Kernel? |
| 13:14.10 | Leeds | uh... you might want to start with user-level kernel stuff (like building it, for example) before you look at hacking it :-) |
| 13:14.19 | Leeds | you know, the whole running walking and crawling thing |
| 13:14.45 | David_Edmundson | and you wouldnt' get very far hacking it otherwise. |
| 13:14.56 | David_Edmundson | well you could..but you wouldn't be able to test it |
| 13:15.03 | Leeds | indeed :-) |
| 13:15.12 | z00dax | Leeds: ! I got a E61 finally. |
| 13:15.18 | Leeds | also, you might want to look at the www. on that domain, since it's, well, for kernelnewbies |
| 13:15.22 | Leeds | z00dax: oh, how is it? |
| 13:15.39 | z00dax | Leeds: excellent so far, the Sip client works out of the box, it does wifi quite well |
| 13:15.54 | z00dax | _but_ I need a proper rss-reader-that-does-offline-reading |
| 13:16.27 | z00dax | and a ssh client that works properly, the j2me ones dont recognise the key's under the numberic pad section |
| 13:16.51 | Leeds | see, I'm used to doing everything live... in about 12 hours, my phone is going to have a better internet connection than my PC :-) |
| 13:17.04 | z00dax | thats quite cool |
| 13:17.15 | trousers | z00dax: I saw a Java applet SSH client somewhere |
| 13:17.36 | Leeds | uh, no... I'm moving into a place which doesn't have included 'net - so I've got to apply and wait for them to set it up... |
| 13:17.36 | z00dax | one of the driving reasons for an E61, was the wifi connectivity, I am always on /near Wifi that is usable. So i can then minimise gprs usage and hence cost. |
| 13:17.48 | z00dax | also i can then take my 0207 number with me to India / US / Belgium |
| 13:17.59 | Leeds | $128 per month for GPRS can't really be beat... |
| 13:18.04 | Leeds | ibot change 128 hkd to gbp |
| 13:18.31 | z00dax | trousers: i've tried a few - including putty for symbian. the problem is that they all dont really understand S60 3rd Edition. so they cant tell when i am in number mode or keyboard mode. |
| 13:18.33 | trousers | I thought you were talking USD at first :S |
| 13:18.58 | z00dax | even £20, i'd be happy to pay |
| 13:19.08 | Leeds | trousers: I tend to mean HK$ when I say $ - or say US$ when I mean $US |
| 13:19.25 | Leeds | z00dax: I intend to test their 'unlimitedness' this week - I *will* be torrenting on it :-) |
| 13:19.46 | Leeds | this is EDGE though, not UMTS - peaks at about 160kbit |
| 13:20.45 | z00dax | thats not bad either, its actually better than UMTS - EDGE does not have as many contention issus as umts does |
| 13:21.02 | Leeds | but the speed is much much lower |
| 13:21.26 | trousers | I don't get it... Is the Kernel REALLY small? |
| 13:21.50 | Leeds | trousers: depends on what you mean by the kernel, but yeah, it's not that big |
| 13:21.51 | trousers | As in the source code compressed is ~55kB? |
| 13:22.14 | Leeds | no |
| 13:22.25 | trousers | Oh, that's just some random patch -_- |
| 13:22.56 | Leeds | source code, compressed is... 40MB - but that includes lots of architectures/platforms and drivers - most of it isn't build on a regular system |
| 13:22.56 | trousers | 40MB sound more like it? |
| 13:23.07 | trousers | Ah, right |
| 13:23.09 | trousers | Good good |
| 13:23.40 | Leeds | what distro do you use? |
| 13:23.58 | trousers | Ubuntu |
| 13:24.02 | trousers | For my desktop |
| 13:24.12 | Leeds | hmm... they've probably got a well-patched kernel, I'd think |
| 13:24.25 | trousers | I would use something else if the hardware wasn't so evil |
| 13:24.59 | trousers | But integrated graphics don't seem to be particularly happy with anything |
| 13:25.08 | Leeds | hmm... if you've only got one machine, you want to make sure you've got rescue equipment to hand if you're messing with your kernel |
| 13:25.15 | trousers | I have a server |
| 13:25.27 | Leeds | I meant a test box - one you can stand to trash |
| 13:25.33 | trousers | I was thinking of more yeah |
| 13:25.44 | trousers | I have a few spare PCs lying about to test stuff on |
| 13:25.55 | trousers | OR I was thinking a virtual machine |
| 13:26.07 | Leeds | better to do it on a real machine, at least to start with, I'd say |
| 13:26.16 | trousers | Why so? |
| 13:27.01 | Leeds | well... for something like Xen, you build a non-standard guest kernel, AIUI... for vmware, you don't, but then you're not messing with a real kernel on a real machine |
| 13:27.06 | trousers | Also, where is the Kernel located, if anywhere in particular? |
| 13:27.29 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.42 | Leeds | which is why I bought vmlinuz.org about 7 years ago :-) |
| 13:28.27 | Leeds | first thing I'd suggest you do is grab Ubuntu's kernel source package, find their config, and have a sniff around the menus |
| 13:28.35 | Leeds | uh, there's no site there - or at least there shouldn't be |
| 13:28.42 | trousers | There isn't |
| 13:28.47 | trousers | vmlinuz meaning? |
| 13:29.13 | z00dax | VM's! |
| 13:29.25 | z00dax | do your messing about inside a VM if you can |
| 13:29.30 | trousers | Ah, right, I see, so I look at what my PC is currently using and tweak it from there |
| 13:29.31 | Leeds | vm for virtual memory, and it's linuz rather than linux because it's a compressed file and compression on *nix traditionally involves a z |
| 13:29.47 | Leeds | just to start with, have a *look* at the kernel build system - that's all |
| 13:30.47 | z00dax | VM == Virtual Machine |
| 13:31.30 | Leeds | z00dax: uh, vmlinuz is virtual memory, I think |
| 13:32.08 | Leeds | in that once unix got virtual memory it became vmunix |
| 13:33.05 | z00dax | err. right - i meant to tell trousers to use a VirtualMachine as he plays with his kernel fluffing, so its easy to recover and not loose a working machine |
| 13:33.19 | trousers | Hmm, I can't seem to find the kernel source for Ubuntu... |
| 13:33.31 | trousers | z00dax: I have a spare PC lying around, though |
| 13:33.55 | z00dax | spare PC is good, even better. |
| 13:34.19 | Leeds | z00dax: which is what I was saying :-) |
| 13:34.47 | Leeds | trousers_away: don't go anywhere! |
| 13:35.33 | Leeds | I suspect he went somewhere... |
| 13:39.02 | Leeds | trousers_away: incidentally, how many years experience do you have in C? |
| 14:11.45 | JAV | hello! |
| 14:40.00 | gregj | http://tinyurl.com/f9fx4 |
| 14:40.04 | gregj | http://blogs.lexar.com/mattbrandon/2006/08/tighter_securit.html |
| 14:48.25 | z00dax | htf is learning about linux related to ssh on mobile phones! |
| 15:04.53 | antiphase | Aren't linux and ssh the same thing? :P |
| 15:14.18 | z00dax | no |
| 15:14.28 | z00dax | but they should be |
| 15:32.02 | gregj | ssh is a secure shell, linux is just os, or I should say - kernel |
| 15:32.29 | gregj | those never will and never going to be the same |
| 15:45.33 | gregj | :] |
| 15:45.41 | gregj | :PP |
| 15:54.52 | wethrin | hello |
| 16:11.23 | wethrin | heh |
| 16:11.58 | z00dax | how hard can it be to run mutt i |
| 16:12.27 | z00dax | s/i/in a screen that is 9ot too big/ |
| 16:12.38 | z00dax | err.. |
| 16:13.02 | z00dax | i have not quite got the hang of this tiny e61 kayboard |
| 16:13.28 | z00dax | and no tab key |
| 16:13.31 | wethrin | :) |
| 16:15.57 | z00dax | mutt rocks! |
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| 16:22.26 | trousers | Leeds: Err, not that much experience in C, but it doesn't seem to complicated as far as languages go |
| 16:22.32 | z00dax | damn, vi got me. |
| 16:22.56 | z00dax | had to reset my phone to get out of vi. how do you generate a ESC :( |
| 16:22.58 | trousers | The only confusing bit really is pointers, but they're not too difficult |
| 16:23.20 | wethrin | z00dax: Control-[ |
| 16:23.42 | wethrin | trousers: Go get a copy of K&R |
| 16:23.49 | trousers | K&R? |
| 16:23.58 | wethrin | Kernighan & Ritchie |
| 16:24.05 | z00dax | if there was a sq ( i woud use it |
| 16:24.27 | wethrin | boh |
| 16:24.37 | trousers | wethrin: You mean the book in my hand right now? |
| 16:25.04 | z00dax | nokia.com/e61 that is what i have - find anything on the keyboard there that i could use to get an esc |
| 16:25.07 | wethrin | Depends, if that's what it is :) |
| 16:25.17 | trousers | The C programming Langauge ANSI C |
| 16:25.23 | wethrin | z00dax: It's telling you to use emacs :) |
| 16:25.46 | z00dax | i dont need another OS, just an editor for mutt |
| 16:25.56 | wethrin | nan |
| 16:25.58 | wethrin | +o |
| 16:26.08 | trousers | nano is nice and simple, I like it |
| 16:26.24 | z00dax | i could use nano, but due of shame if the world found out |
| 16:26.30 | z00dax | s/due/die/ |
| 16:26.31 | wethrin | trousers: Pointers make much more sense if you read up about heaps and memory allocation |
| 16:26.39 | trousers | What's so shameful about nano? |
| 16:27.00 | trousers | wethrin: Yes, but I find reading big bulky textbooks with too many words irritating |
| 16:27.14 | wethrin | trousers: So use wikipedia :) |
| 16:27.15 | trousers | I mean, just tell me what something is and what it does, and I'll understand |
| 16:27.31 | trousers | Wikipedia ist fantastich! |
| 16:35.04 | Leeds | z00dax: I can actually get 80x24 on mine, if I pick a small font - 320 pixels across is really the minimum for that |
| 16:38.36 | Leeds | trousers: so have you worked out how to install a kernel yet? |
| 16:39.13 | trousers | I was at my grandmother's house... Not the kind of thing I do there, unfortunately |
| 16:39.41 | wethrin | And why not, eh? |
| 16:39.43 | Leeds | okay, I guess :-) |
| 16:40.00 | trousers | She runs XP |
| 16:40.08 | wethrin | Upgrade her |
| 16:40.16 | trousers | She doesn't understand computers... |
| 16:40.17 | wethrin | Her computer, that is. Not her the person |
| 16:40.45 | trousers | Mr. Leeds sir, why is it that I appear to have 3 kernels? :S |
| 16:41.15 | Leeds | ? |
| 16:41.28 | z00dax | leeds i can see that putty has some screen font settings. i might try that later |
| 16:41.42 | trousers | In my /boot dir, there appear to be 3 kernels |
| 16:41.58 | trousers | All slighty different versions |
| 16:43.09 | Leeds | which one are you running? |
| 16:43.27 | trousers | The latest one - 2.6.15-27-386 |
| 16:43.38 | trousers | That's what uname -r told me, anyway |
| 16:43.52 | Leeds | and which ones are there? |
| 16:44.13 | trousers | vmlinuz-2.6.15-23, vmlinuz-2.6.15-26, vmlinuz-2.6.15-27 |
| 16:44.34 | Leeds | the others are probably left over from upgrades then |
| 16:44.42 | trousers | That's not very tidy :O |
| 16:44.54 | Leeds | but much much safer than deleting them |
| 16:45.07 | Leeds | if you leave the old ones around, you can fall back to them if the new one doesn't work |
| 16:45.25 | trousers | But surely you should only leave 1 backup, rather than 2? |
| 16:45.50 | Leeds | hah - pssh does green-on-black :-) |
| 16:45.59 | Leeds | I guess it just leaves them - they're not very big |
| 16:46.09 | trousers | True |
| 16:46.52 | Leeds | personally, I think you should demand your money back, if they're going to be so shoddy (and I'm going afk for a few minutes) |
| 16:47.44 | trousers | Demand all 0p of my money back? I'm sure they'll be outraged! |
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| 16:58.21 | Leeds | you deserve every penny |
| 17:01.51 | sabinef72 | hellooooo |
| 17:02.57 | Leeds | hello |
| 17:04.23 | JAV | hello |
| 17:04.27 | Leeds | ¿que pasa? |
| 17:05.49 | JAV | :) |
| 17:06.29 | Leeds | or rather ☺ |
| 17:07.25 | trousers | Heh |
| 17:08.06 | JAV | I should use unicode, I can't see it correctly |
| 17:09.35 | Leeds | xchat handles it decently, and I recently discovered I could type it by holding down crtl-shift and typing the code - so £, for example, which isn't on my keyboard, means holding down ctrl-shift, then pressing a then 3, then releasing all |
| 17:09.43 | eye69 | Hey people. |
| 17:09.46 | trousers | |
| 17:09.56 | Leeds | morning eye69 - how's life? |
| 17:10.35 | eye69 | Alright I guess. |
| 17:10.35 | trousers | That was no pound symbol... ... |
| 17:10.35 | z00dax | looks like i can get 80x40 on my phone |
| 17:10.46 | JAV | £ |
| 17:10.49 | Leeds | 24 lines should be enough for anyone! |
| 17:10.56 | z00dax | but man, is it small or is it small. i need to be almost 12 - 15" away at most to read it |
| 17:11.18 | Leeds | but does ¤ look like a circle on top of an x or does it look like the Euro symbol? |
| 17:11.29 | z00dax | leeds yes but i dont have a font on here that might scale to 80x24 |
| 17:11.44 | Leeds | in other words, 8859-1 or 8859-15? |
| 17:11.47 | z00dax | i see a circle on top of an x |
| 17:12.34 | Leeds | ah, how about €? |
| 17:12.53 | *** part/#gllug JAV (n=JAV@105.Red-80-34-40.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 17:12.55 | trousers | eURO |
| 17:12.57 | trousers | *Euro |
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| 17:13.41 | Leeds | okay, the unicode value for the € is 20ac, but 8859-1 has ¤ while 8859-15 has € at position a4 |
| 17:14.01 | trousers | 20ac gives me Euro too - € |
| 17:14.02 | JAV | € |
| 17:14.33 | JAV | ok, unicode now |
| 17:14.58 | Leeds | but we should all be using £ anyway ☺ |
| 17:15.31 | JAV | heh |
| 17:16.23 | Leeds | well, with the possible exception of eye6 9, greg j, JA V, sabinef7 2 and any other foreigners who might have wandered in on this fine Hong Kong Monday morning |
| 17:16.29 | trousers | ₱₲₴₵ |
| 17:17.12 | trousers | What is the time there, GMT+7? |
| 17:17.25 | trousers | And do they use DST? |
| 17:17.40 | Leeds | trousers: three unknown glyphs there for me... |
| 17:17.50 | Leeds | ₤£ aren't the same |
| 17:17.55 | Leeds | GMT+8 and no daylight savings |
| 17:18.42 | Leeds | ‼ is for writing ransom notes - you can fit twice as many ! in |
| 17:19.13 | Leeds | ‼‼‼‼‼‼‼ |
| 17:19.17 | JAV | this ctrl+shift thing doesn't work for me |
| 17:19.34 | trousers | Har har http://www.sayagain.co.uk/b3tapix/images/genietiem.jpg |
| 17:19.52 | Leeds | JAV: I think it's a gtk thing |
| 17:20.30 | Leeds | trousers: what are 20b2, 20b4 and 20b5 meant to be, anyway? |
| 17:20.42 | JAV | XChat 2.6.4 |
| 17:20.42 | JAV | Un cliente de IRC multiplataforma. |
| 17:20.42 | JAV | Linux 2.6.18 [i686/997.96MHz] |
| 17:20.42 | JAV | Charset: ISO-8859-15 Renderer: Pango |
| 17:20.42 | JAV | Compiled: Sep 16 2006 |
| 17:20.52 | JAV | about says this |
| 17:21.01 | Leeds | yeah, that should work... |
| 17:21.04 | trousers | I dunno, I was checking what symbols were near the Euro :), but they're weird and completely useless symbols |
| 17:21.08 | trousers | At least, that what I saw |
| 17:21.30 | Leeds | strangely, I'm in charset "ANSI_X3.4-1968" which sounds really wrong |
| 17:21.50 | trousers | My charset is UTF-8 |
| 17:22.45 | trousers | Excuse me a minute, but all of you are utter bastards, as I have homework to do :( |
| 17:23.12 | Leeds | seeya |
| 17:23.53 | JAV | I should be doing my luggage, but I'm leaving in 30min to have dinner with some friends :D |
| 17:23.58 | JAV | trousers: bye |
| 17:24.12 | Leeds | I'll pack in the morning... |
| 17:24.30 | trousers | Just because I have homework to do - it doesn't mean I'm leaving IRC to do it! That's blasphemy :P |
| 17:25.33 | antiphase | flîbblë flùøbblà |
| 17:25.55 | Leeds | trousers: I could help you with that if you like... |
| 17:26.05 | *** mode/#gllug [+o Leeds] by ChanServ |
| 17:26.29 | trousers | I'm fine thanks |
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| 17:26.40 | trousers | Anybody up for a quick game of chess in some-way-or-another? |
| 17:27.47 | Leeds | give you a quick game of backgammon :-) |
| 17:28.25 | Leeds | although I'm not quite sure how |
| 17:28.33 | trousers | I don't know how to play backgammong :( |
| 17:28.39 | trousers | *backgammon |
| 17:29.13 | Leeds | very easy |
| 17:30.08 | Leeds | but 1:30am probably isn't the right time to teach you, particularly if you've got homework to do |
| 17:30.29 | trousers | Heh, school kind of pisses me off, anyway |
| 17:30.39 | trousers | They teach things so slowly :( |
| 17:30.44 | Leeds | yeah, it'll do that... still important, in the medium term |
| 17:31.09 | antiphase | Having a shit job for 40+ years because you didn't get decent qualifications is less fun |
| 17:31.15 | trousers | And then they teach you the wrong things intentionally, then eventually teach you the right things |
| 17:33.20 | JAV | any advise to introduce my parents about my new motorbike? :D |
| 17:33.38 | Leeds | JAV: ride it into their living room? |
| 17:33.46 | JAV | brooommm |
| 17:34.22 | JAV | look mum! without teeth! |
| 17:34.24 | antiphase | Best tell them before they get the call to identify your mangled body |
| 17:34.53 | JAV | antiphase: I thought about it :D |
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| 19:08.11 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 19:23.02 | antiphase | Word to ya motha |
| 19:23.49 | wethrin | WORD! |
| 19:24.00 | z00dax | up! |
| 19:25.27 | sabinef72 | up up up |
| 19:29.54 | z00dax | hallo sabinef72 |
| 19:30.07 | z00dax | some of my friends are in paris playing hockey this weekend |
| 19:30.34 | sabinef72 | waouhh very nice |
| 19:30.42 | sabinef72 | Hockey on ice ? |
| 19:30.53 | z00dax | on skates actually |
| 19:31.56 | sabinef72 | ohhh |
| 19:32.11 | sabinef72 | I would like to know doing skate one day... But I'm too much afraid |
| 19:35.39 | z00dax | its fun. |
| 19:35.56 | trousers | OO word processor! |
| 19:36.06 | z00dax | although i am way too lazy go trying to play hockey etc, way too much effort required for that |
| 19:41.21 | sabinef72 | each time I tried, I felt down.... |
| 19:42.25 | antiphase | lollerskates |
| 19:42.54 | z00dax | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo7Sng5Jeb0 |
| 19:43.12 | sabinef72 | z00dax: it was this week end or it will be the next week end ? |
| 19:43.23 | z00dax | this week, they should be on the train back now |
| 19:43.35 | sabinef72 | or like mozrat would say "the week end will come UP soon ?" |
| 19:43.55 | sabinef72 | z00dax: why don't you tell me that before ? It could be fun to see hockey |
| 19:44.37 | z00dax | i didnt know myself :) I only found out when i got a call at 1:am this morning |
| 19:45.02 | sabinef72 | ah ok |
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| 20:08.13 | sabinef72 | arg.... |
| 20:08.15 | sabinef72 | back |
| 20:13.05 | antiphase | Quelques gremlins? |
| 20:13.30 | sabinef72 | antiphase: pardon? |
| 20:13.57 | antiphase | You said "arg", so I thought you might be having some technical problems |
| 20:14.28 | sabinef72 | yes this stupid irc |
| 20:14.48 | sabinef72 | I'm disconnect but I only know it 15 mn later |
| 20:14.53 | antiphase | We should all use Yahoo! chat instead |
| 20:15.12 | sabinef72 | really ? |
| 20:15.17 | antiphase | Err, no |
| 20:15.18 | sabinef72 | I'm using xchat |
| 20:15.32 | sabinef72 | and a nice linux |
| 20:15.37 | sabinef72 | no windows at home ! |
| 20:15.42 | antiphase | I use irssi, never tried any guis |
| 20:16.36 | antiphase | I also do it remotely from a machine with super connectivity, so I don't ever see any connectivity problems |
| 20:19.55 | wethrin | (Friday Night Armistice)++ |
| 20:28.18 | serris | hi |
| 20:29.37 | antiphase | ho |
| 20:31.00 | serris | How's it going? |
| 20:35.31 | antiphase | Chillin, drinkin some tramp-grade cider |
| 20:36.51 | serris | Sounds good |
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| 20:55.33 | mozrat_ | whatho |
| 20:55.39 | wethrin | hello, old fruit! |
| 20:55.42 | z00dax | mozrat_: wasent me |
| 20:55.46 | mozrat_ | Hello! |
| 20:55.52 | mozrat_ | serris: CONGRATULATIONS!!! |
| 20:56.09 | serris | Thanks, mozrat_ |
| 20:56.10 | serris | :D |
| 20:56.15 | mozrat_ | serris: how was it? |
| 20:56.53 | serris | It was good. The wedding 'ceremony' was amusing. The pictures of the start show both me and the wife trying not to crack up and looking very amused |
| 20:57.09 | serris | The lady was acting as if non of us spoke English =/ |
| 20:57.19 | sabinef72 | mozzie ! |
| 20:57.21 | z00dax | serris: where are the pictures ? |
| 20:57.30 | serris | On the wife's PC =/ |
| 20:57.31 | mozrat_ | sabinef72!! |
| 20:57.52 | mozrat_ | serris: where are/were you from originally then? |
| 20:58.11 | serris | I'm from Hungary originally but been living here for 9 years. My wife is American |
| 20:58.31 | z00dax | serris: why are they not online! |
| 20:58.44 | z00dax | and when is the #gllug celebration ? |
| 20:58.46 | serris | They are but I keep forgetting the password for it : ( |
| 20:58.54 | wethrin | BOOZE! |
| 20:59.00 | wethrin | z00dax: Whisky at the SMWS, then? |
| 20:59.09 | z00dax | although i am off in 2 days time, and wont be back till the 1st Nov |
| 20:59.12 | serris | I can mail out cans of Fosters or Kronneys |
| 20:59.14 | z00dax | wethrin: yes yes |
| 20:59.44 | z00dax | serris: humm mailout is no fun, we should all get together somewhere. |
| 20:59.46 | wethrin | z00dax: Going anywhere interesting? |
| 20:59.49 | z00dax | wait till I am back . |
| 21:00.09 | z00dax | wethrin: India, going to see family and make some noise. |
| 21:00.11 | wethrin | I won't be around London |
| 21:00.15 | wethrin | Oh, have fun! |
| 21:00.26 | z00dax | and to visit my sister + her family, she just had a baby boy 3 days back |
| 21:00.33 | sabinef72 | z00dax: and took pictures for me ! |
| 21:00.39 | wethrin | Congrats! |
| 21:00.46 | mozrat_ | Uncle z00dax! |
| 21:00.52 | z00dax | mozrat_: ! yay! |
| 21:00.58 | z00dax | sabinef72: sure. i will |
| 21:02.06 | serris | z00dax: I'm trying to get to the pictures |
| 21:02.19 | mozrat_ | sabinef72: I bought this book today >> http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0764551930.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg |
| 21:02.23 | mozrat_ | and one other on the same subject |
| 21:02.50 | z00dax | mozrat_: aha, you know what - an easy way to learn a language |
| 21:02.55 | z00dax | shove it down your throat. |
| 21:03.03 | z00dax | move your desktop to .fr locale. |
| 21:03.48 | mozrat_ | z00dax: I already started to join french IRC channels - thats where I met sabinef72. Then looked what happened!! |
| 21:04.13 | z00dax | mind you, you prolly wont lean much of the language to express yourself, but you will know howto say "user not found error contacting remote host" in french |
| 21:04.27 | sabinef72 | mozrat_: you're always welcome on my own chan if you want |
| 21:04.37 | z00dax | serris: cool :) |
| 21:04.48 | mozrat_ | sabinef72: who else is in there? |
| 21:04.59 | sabinef72 | mozrat: nice book ! you have to learn, learn and learn before my trip in London |
| 21:05.06 | sabinef72 | sabine-et-benoit |
| 21:05.51 | serris | After 5 years of sitting in french class I still can only say Bonjour |
| 21:06.24 | serris | Then again I figured it was the best class to sleep in as the teacher gave up on us after a few weeks |
| 21:06.50 | mozrat_ | serris: same here. I really regret it now |
| 21:06.55 | serris | I don't |
| 21:07.21 | serris | Those are some of the good memories i have from school. It enabled me to go home and not sleep 'till 7AM the next day and repeat the 2 hours sleeping in class |
| 21:07.28 | mozrat_ | heh |
| 21:07.57 | serris | The teacher told me I was too stupid to bother with the GCSEs exam in French so I didn't have to do it. |
| 21:08.41 | sabinef72 | I'm ready to become a french teacher for those who want to come in France |
| 21:09.33 | z00dax | at this moment in time, i want to learn ruby |
| 21:09.33 | z00dax | once i am done with that - then maybe sharpen some more python skills |
| 21:09.37 | z00dax | after that - maybe french |
| 21:10.04 | mozrat_ | z00dax: that is also my problem. With so many other cool things in the world to learn..... |
| 21:10.18 | serris | z00dax: at the moment I want to just convert Ubuntu as Windows friendly for the wife as I can. I have an evil plan to rip her away from Windows and get her onto Linux as I can't afford a Mac for her |
| 21:10.20 | mozrat_ | This is why I've made no headway in French since my last visit in June :( |
| 21:10.37 | serris | http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d11/macik/wedding/4bb5f34f.jpg |
| 21:10.52 | serris | http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d11/macik/wedding/2b17c110-1.jpg |
| 21:11.06 | serris | http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d11/macik/wedding/905b58be.jpg |
| 21:11.20 | serris | http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d11/macik/wedding/a9d8a9b2-1.jpg |
| 21:11.32 | sabinef72 | ohh men, you are too much geeks |
| 21:11.38 | serris | http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d11/macik/wedding/9f2e8a7c-2.jpg |
| 21:12.18 | z00dax | sabinef72: aint it cool :) |
| 21:12.39 | serris | The picture we are all cracking up on is when my sister was using my wife's digital SLR and she was pressing down the button and the camera was going *click click click click click click* and took about 15 pictures while my sister is going "I don't understand this, it's not taking the pictures" |
| 21:12.54 | wethrin | :) |
| 21:13.20 | sabinef72 | z00dax: are you really really sure ? ah ah ! |
| 21:13.49 | serris | : ) |
| 21:13.58 | z00dax | sabinef72: yes, sort of. inspite of ruby being by far the slowest executing language ever known to mankind, i do need to work it out |
| 21:14.11 | mozrat_ | cool pictures dude |
| 21:14.14 | serris | Thanks |
| 21:14.21 | serris | hehe |
| 21:15.16 | sabinef72 | serris: lovely pictures. Congratulations |
| 21:15.38 | serris | Well the wedding turned out better than I was thinking. I was planning to just go there with some random tshirt and a pair of my trackies but I figured that's a bit too.. trashy |
| 21:15.42 | serris | And thanks sabinef72 |
| 21:17.14 | z00dax | serris: cool :) |
| 21:24.00 | wethrin | Hmm. FOSDEM dates have been announced |
| 21:24.05 | mozrat_ | wow - it takes 18 minutes to generate the #gllug stats page now |
| 21:24.23 | mozrat_ | I was asked by an op to not run pisg so regularly on my freeshell server |
| 21:24.24 | wethrin | Well, put as a PS to the bottom of the only email to the FOSDEM mailing list since September |
| 21:24.28 | wethrin | heh |
| 21:24.44 | mozrat_ | or to use something more sane |
| 21:25.19 | sabinef72 | mozrat: I'm surprise, airplane is less expensive than train for England |
| 21:26.13 | mozrat_ | sabinef72: eurostar is very EXPENSIVE |
| 21:26.16 | mozrat_ | but nicer |
| 21:26.37 | sabinef72 | why nicer ? |
| 21:26.54 | mozrat_ | just nicer. |
| 21:27.03 | mozrat_ | (1) the airport in Paris is nowhere near Paris |
| 21:27.07 | serris | you get wifi on the eurostar |
| 21:27.07 | mozrat_ | (2) Heathrow sucks |
| 21:27.19 | mozrat_ | serris: nope, I didn't this week |
| 21:27.22 | serris | The seats are bigger, more comfortable |
| 21:27.34 | wethrin | Since when do you get wifi on E*? |
| 21:27.35 | serris | Hmm, when my mate used it last time a few month ago he did |
| 21:27.48 | sabinef72 | and london luton ? |
| 21:28.05 | mozrat_ | serris: on the way back I could see a WLAN called PUBLIC ACCESS or something all the way there but I couldn't get DHCP from it |
| 21:28.06 | wethrin | Doesn't exist. ITYM Bedford International :-) |
| 21:28.26 | mozrat_ | sabinef72: Fly if you want to.. I prefer the train. Luton is OK, you can get a train into London from there |
| 21:28.42 | mozrat_ | wethrin: lol |
| 21:28.43 | serris | Yeah but it's still quite a long train ride |
| 21:28.49 | mozrat_ | serris: it is |
| 21:28.58 | serris | My bad, no wifi on E* |
| 21:29.44 | sabinef72 | mozrat_: but in this case, I have to add a train ticket to the airplane ticket... So finally perhaps the same price than only eurostar |
| 21:30.11 | mozrat_ | sabinef72: yes, possibly |
| 21:30.23 | z00dax | humm |
| 21:30.25 | mozrat_ | are the prices for plane and train similar? |
| 21:30.57 | z00dax | if you get the E* tickets well in adcance, on a deal - its not expensive |
| 21:31.06 | wethrin | Trains aren't that expensive from the airports |
| 21:31.07 | z00dax | advance |
| 21:32.16 | z00dax | humm i might too. if i was going there |
| 21:32.41 | sabinef72 | For example, for the last week end of november : train costs around 180 euros and plane costs around 100 euros for one personn |
| 21:32.58 | wethrin | The northern part of West Germany would be about the furthest I'd go by train (if I specifically wanted to get somwehere) |
| 21:33.05 | z00dax | thats not cheap either way |
| 21:33.31 | z00dax | i've done italy |
| 21:37.21 | murb | return |
| 21:38.31 | sabinef72 | murb: it means that I should be in Frankfurt rather than in London ? |
| 21:38.38 | sabinef72 | should go |
| 21:45.35 | mozrat_ | nn sabinef72 |
| 21:45.46 | z00dax | there is also the time issue |
| 21:46.13 | mozrat_ | rhowe: WELL DON'T COME AND WATCH |
| 21:46.14 | sabinef72 | good night mozzie |
| 21:46.17 | mozrat_ | nn sabinef72 |
| 21:47.53 | rhowe | mozrat_: hehe |
| 21:48.07 | mozrat_ | rhowe: the #gllug stats script was killing their server |
| 21:48.24 | rhowe | Then nice it |
| 21:48.26 | mozrat_ | I was unpopular apparently |
| 21:48.36 | wethrin | mozrat_: Why flamed? |
| 21:48.51 | mozrat_ | wethrin: for taking up too many resources |
| 21:49.29 | wethrin | Heh |
| 21:49.39 | sabinef72 | time for bed |
| 21:49.41 | sabinef72 | good night all |
| 21:49.43 | wethrin | nn |
| 21:49.44 | sabinef72 | see you tomorrow |
| 21:49.46 | mozrat_ | nn |
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| 22:04.27 | rhowe | mm |
| 22:04.41 | wethrin | eat who? |
| 22:05.00 | rhowe | My choice seems to be microwave popcorn or pimento stuffed olives |
| 22:05.16 | wethrin | microwave the olives |
| 22:06.46 | mozrat | please digg this > http://digg.com/security/Complete_Security_Hacking_Phreaking_Podcast_Review |
| 22:09.44 | antiphase | I thought it was going to be about hacking iPods |
| 22:10.57 | rhowe | hmm |
| 22:10.58 | rhowe | salty |
| 22:11.21 | wethrin | TMI |
| 22:18.14 | wethrin | Hm. South Bank Show (ITV1, now) is featuring Spamalot |
| 22:20.16 | mozrat | has it just started? |
| 22:20.17 | z00dax | anyone tried out the a-z mobile phone edition ? |
| 22:20.24 | wethrin | mozrat: Yeah |
| 22:20.37 | wethrin | A bit more than 5 minutes ago |
| 22:21.26 | mozrat | cool - watching now |
| 22:22.24 | wethrin | :) |
| 22:31.43 | mozrat | I hate those BT adverts |
| 22:32.26 | wethrin | Didn't have them up here |
| 22:32.36 | mozrat | You were lucky |
| 22:32.45 | wethrin | Have one for confused.com now |
| 22:32.55 | wethrin | And Barclaycard was before |
| 22:33.13 | mozrat | we just had SpecSavers and TomTom |
| 22:33.22 | mozrat | and this is a fascinating commentary :) |
| 22:33.23 | wethrin | Barker And Stonehouse - 19.46% off |
| 22:33.28 | wethrin | That's awfully precice |
| 22:33.42 | mozrat | wethrin: Been watching Robin Hood? |
| 22:33.59 | wethrin | Nah |
| 22:34.02 | wethrin | Is it any good? |
| 22:34.22 | mozrat | opinion is divided. It certainly isn't historically accurate |
| 22:34.30 | mozrat | and the storyline is light |
| 22:34.34 | mozrat | but it is watchable |
| 22:34.53 | wethrin | Yes, but why should it be historically accurate? |
| 22:35.01 | mozrat | a lot of people have slated it on the BBC website |
| 22:35.04 | mozrat | wethrin: well, quite |
| 22:35.10 | wethrin | Worth downloading? |
| 22:35.18 | mozrat | I have the episodes if you want them |
| 22:35.27 | wethrin | cool, maybe |
| 22:35.28 | mozrat | yeah, watch them and form your own opinion on it |
| 22:35.54 | wethrin | right |
| 22:41.13 | wethrin | # spam spam spam spam |
| 22:44.25 | mozrat | :D |
| 22:45.27 | mozrat | Tis but a scratch! |
| 22:45.42 | wethrin | A mere flesh wound! |
| 22:45.57 | mozrat | Alright, We'll call it a draw |
| 22:46.21 | wethrin | :) |
| 22:50.55 | wethrin | Bnah. More adverts |
| 22:51.02 | wethrin | Halifax-- |
| 22:52.25 | mozrat | Mmm |
| 23:01.03 | wethrin | # He's not dead yet |
| 23:10.13 | wethrin | Python++ |
| 23:12.12 | mozrat | yeah, it looks good |
| 23:13.50 | wethrin | # Always look on the Bright Side of Life |
| 23:15.45 | wethrin | Right. Sleeptime. Night! |
| 23:15.49 | mozrat | nn wethrin |
| 23:15.50 | mozrat | me too |
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