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| 00:08.53 | Leeds | it is indeed very good |
| 00:09.18 | Leeds | today I shall mainly be wearing... my Spamalot t-shirt, because I'm running out of clean stuff |
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| 00:56.53 | Leeds | it's good to get up in the morning and find an email saying: "Are you in town for the next couple of weeks? Putting out a new site and want to see if you're available and free to write some articles for me." |
| 00:57.59 | Leeds | also, to find that the 9GB of torrents you fired off before bed are 200MB from done :-) |
| 02:16.10 | Leeds | and now done... |
| 04:59.37 | morsing | 'morning |
| 05:25.19 | serris | morning morsing |
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| 05:41.55 | trousers | Mor{n,s}ing ;) |
| 05:42.14 | Leeds | morning |
| 05:49.04 | Leeds | time to go compare the two local supermarkets - there are two major chains here, and things are compact/dense enough that there is normally at least one of each within walking distance of anywhere in the urban area |
| 06:04.16 | JAV | good morning |
| 06:05.02 | JAV | see you! |
| 06:05.06 | trousers | That's a bit rash :P |
| 06:05.08 | trousers | Bye |
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| 06:54.13 | boudiccas | going away for a week, but i'll return after my holiday :) |
| 06:54.28 | mozrat | G'Moin |
| 06:55.18 | boudiccas | monring |
| 07:04.41 | sabinef72 | morning all |
| 07:13.15 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 07:23.05 | morsing | Why would NFS mount be mounted with mount -a but not after a reboot? |
| 07:28.05 | morsing | Does the netfs service mount NFS? |
| 07:31.07 | morsing | LEEDS? |
| 07:33.15 | sabinef72 | morsing: don't disturb leeds, perhaps he is at the postoffice for my postcard...... |
| 07:33.42 | morsing | sabinef72: You're dreaming ;-) |
| 07:34.14 | sabinef72 | :-(( |
| 07:39.10 | sabinef72 | how was your week end ? |
| 07:39.28 | morsing | My weekend was good thanks. Yours? |
| 07:44.31 | morsing | I helped a friend move on Saturday |
| 07:50.43 | sabinef72 | my week end was difficult |
| 07:51.08 | sabinef72 | saturday I went in a party and I drunk too much mojito. I went to bed at 1 :00 |
| 07:51.28 | sabinef72 | to woke up sunday at 6 : 45 to pick up some friends at the airport |
| 08:15.46 | mozrat | morsing!! sabinef72!! |
| 08:15.51 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 08:17.29 | mozrat | yay! |
| 08:18.11 | sabinef72 | but only if you don't still have your cold ! |
| 08:19.58 | mozrat | I am better |
| 08:20.54 | sabinef72 | nice |
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| 08:23.38 | morsing | huw-l! |
| 08:25.33 | huw-l | morning |
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| 08:56.29 | serris | hi mozrat |
| 08:56.36 | mozrat | hey! |
| 08:56.45 | serris | how's it going? |
| 08:56.59 | mozrat | Not bad... getting to work was hellish this morning, but OK now |
| 08:57.28 | serris | I'm lucky. I go to work when there's barely any traffic and leave work before the traffic starts to build up really bad |
| 09:00.09 | morsing | stephanb2! |
| 09:00.12 | morsing | serris! |
| 09:00.16 | serris | hey morsing |
| 09:00.33 | mozrat | bizarre! |
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| 09:03.45 | cpufreak | not a pointed stick? |
| 09:05.38 | mozrat | popey! You know samble? |
| 09:07.39 | serris | hah my custom Ubuntu CD works |
| 09:08.04 | serris | Rather terribly slow but regardless of that, it works! |
| 09:10.06 | popey | no mozrat |
| 09:10.19 | popey | but I signed up for sd today after seeing your blog entry |
| 09:11.48 | mozrat | popey: they are good |
| 09:12.03 | mozrat | but... don't try and run psig every hour. that annoys them |
| 09:12.34 | popey | hehe |
| 09:12.42 | popey | not overly impressed with the speed of connection |
| 09:12.55 | popey | compared to my vps in telehouse :) |
| 09:15.23 | morsing | mozrat: Have you got it out yet? |
| 09:15.50 | mozrat | morsing: yes. and eaten it |
| 09:16.20 | mozrat | popey: you will find they have the occasional outage as well :-| |
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| 09:48.04 | popey | mozrat: lwe.. |
| 09:48.11 | popey | are you renting tables from them? |
| 09:48.21 | popey | or taking your own - or what? |
| 09:48.28 | mozrat | We are getting one as part of the stand apparently |
| 09:49.00 | popey | our guy organising says that you have to rent them |
| 09:53.08 | mozrat | oh |
| 09:54.14 | popey | hang on |
| 09:59.02 | popey | thanks mozrat |
| 10:05.20 | mozrat | popey: so, we should have one table, but I don't think they are the long trestle table types |
| 10:14.41 | mozrat | ouch |
| 10:14.55 | mozrat | morsing, are you coming to the expo this month> |
| 10:15.02 | wethrin | foo |
| 10:15.02 | morsing | mozrat: I have a job |
| 10:15.06 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 10:15.28 | wethrin | hi |
| 10:16.26 | mozrat | morsing: are you going to Lonix afterwards? |
| 10:18.36 | morsing | When is this again? |
| 10:18.56 | mozrat | 25th I think |
| 10:19.27 | morsing | Sure |
| 10:22.26 | mozrat | It's wethrin |
| 10:22.40 | wethrin | Where? |
| 10:22.45 | wethrin | I deny it all! |
| 10:24.09 | mozrat | I think you'll find we have proof |
| 10:24.11 | wethrin | Damn |
| 10:36.37 | serris | mozrat: Lonix? |
| 10:38.55 | wethrin | The Other LUG in London |
| 10:38.59 | serris | Oh ok |
| 10:41.40 | mozrat | serris: Lonix! |
| 10:42.06 | serris | I'm probably just going to LWE |
| 10:45.46 | mozrat | serris: make sure you say "hi" |
| 10:45.54 | serris | I will! : ) |
| 10:46.09 | serris | Already told my wife we're visiting the GLLUG stand |
| 10:46.16 | serris | She just smiled and noded at me |
| 10:46.18 | mozrat | heh |
| 10:46.36 | mozrat | At least there are no expensive shops in Olympia for her to wander off to |
| 10:46.48 | mozrat | she is stuck there! </bwahahah ah. ahhh> |
| 10:47.07 | wethrin | mozrat: Err.....High Street Ken is a few minutes wander down the road |
| 10:49.20 | serris | That's ok. Untill there are no camera shops around, it's fine |
| 10:49.49 | serris | I'm still trying to get her to use linux =/ have been trying for some time : ( |
| 11:51.15 | cpufreak | murb / z00dax can either you privmsg me an ip address of one of your hetzner boxes, so I can run a traceroute/ping? |
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| 12:00.42 | cpufreak | 12:51 < cpufreak> murb / z00dax can either you privmsg me an ip address of one of your hetzner boxes, so I can run a traceroute/ping? |
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| 12:07.39 | mozrat | popey: you are poking the wrong fellow I'm afraid. That site has nothing to do with me |
| 12:07.52 | mozrat | if it did have something to do with me I would fix the broken feedparser module on that server :-) |
| 12:08.04 | mozrat | so it could actually understand my own blog feed |
| 12:08.06 | popey | :) |
| 12:08.11 | popey | sorry |
| 12:08.23 | Erwin | Fucking debian. I update and now xemacs can't find helvetica font and crashes. |
| 12:08.37 | mozrat | Dean Wilson - I'll mail him |
| 12:25.24 | morsing | Mmm... tart |
| 12:27.03 | mozrat | popey: it is up now |
| 12:27.56 | Erwin | Debian debian debian die die die |
| 12:29.59 | rhowe | http://lists.gllug.org.uk/ |
| 12:30.09 | rhowe | Looks like someone needs to put the banner page which was there before |
| 12:30.16 | rhowe | s/put/put up/ |
| 12:30.27 | rhowe | There was one which redirected you to the real home of the mailing list archives |
| 12:30.47 | morsing | rhowe! |
| 12:31.56 | stephanb2 | rhowe! |
| 12:32.03 | mozrat | rhowe: yeah, I asked jason about that a while ago |
| 12:43.30 | Leeds | I have a PC again... |
| 12:47.33 | morsing | Nice |
| 12:49.00 | Leeds | and here we have the problem with 'borrowing' wifi - it's not normally setup to give you as good a coverage over your own space as possible |
| 12:51.14 | rhowe | afternoon |
| 12:54.22 | murb | Leeds: so put an accesspoint/router in the best recpetion area, then pipe it to where you n eed it! |
| 13:09.42 | morsing | Some brilliant IT desktop dude just infected my laptop with virus |
| 13:10.15 | wethrin | heh |
| 13:12.58 | iTron | morsing: You allowed someone other than yourself to touch your laptop? 0.o |
| 13:13.13 | iTron | I'd stab someone in the face if they tried that with my stuff. |
| 13:13.43 | morsing | iTron: I didn't. He sent out an email saying "Haha this is the link lol - <some link" |
| 13:13.55 | morsing | I clicked the link |
| 13:14.24 | morsing | Without having read the email he'd sent 4 minutes earlier warning about an MSN virus link |
| 13:14.50 | morsing | Even funnier, he's now sent out an email recall for that mail :D |
| 13:14.53 | iTron | morsing: Tsk. SIlly. |
| 13:14.59 | rhowe | morsing: Surely it was you who infected your laptop by clicking on a random link? :) |
| 13:15.26 | morsing | No - he has accepted that what he did was stupid |
| 13:15.34 | morsing | My manager agrees |
| 13:15.47 | rhowe | morsing: Possibly not as stupid as trusting cow-workers to not email you a virus :) |
| 13:16.11 | morsing | The cow-worker responsible for IT and PC security even! |
| 13:16.35 | iTron | "cow-orker". |
| 13:20.18 | morsing | RandomGuy! |
| 13:22.21 | Leeds | morsing: how do you infect a Linux machine by clicking on a link? |
| 13:24.54 | Leeds | anyway, I have to give credit to the estate agent I ended up with in London - he appears to have found a tenant for my place already, which is much quicker than I was expecting |
| 13:27.05 | wethrin | oh, nice |
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| 13:27.38 | wethrin | Will that cover the mortgage payments, then? |
| 13:27.54 | sabinef72 | back ! |
| 13:27.54 | sabinef72 | Coucou Cope |
| 13:28.01 | Cope | o/ |
| 13:28.05 | Leeds | significantly more than... but after agentf |
| 13:28.33 | Leeds | agent's fees, service charge, etc. I'm looking at a maximum profit of something like £1500 per year |
| 13:29.05 | Leeds | that's assuming no maintenance costs, etc. |
| 13:29.34 | wethrin | Right. So not really much to go spending with, then |
| 13:29.39 | sabinef72 | Leeds ........; |
| 13:29.47 | wethrin | Hi Cope! |
| 13:29.50 | Cope | hello wethrin |
| 13:33.02 | Leeds | wethrin: not so much, but as long as things are covered and there's some slack to soak up any costs, I'm happy |
| 13:37.16 | wethrin | *nod* |
| 13:37.36 | wethrin | Mm....Shostakovich++ |
| 13:37.56 | Cope | indeed |
| 13:40.22 | wethrin | Hmm. The transistors shouldn't be sparking |
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| 13:42.05 | morsing | Cope: Why? |
| 13:42.13 | Cope | Basically they've taken an embedded linux system, hardened it, provided a restricted shell, and made it look like aix! |
| 13:42.18 | Cope | it's cool! |
| 13:42.25 | morsing | It's *very* col! |
| 13:42.28 | morsing | cool! |
| 13:42.56 | sabinef72 | and no hugs for me ? |
| 13:43.00 | sabinef72 | how is it possible ? |
| 13:43.06 | sabinef72 | don't you like french people ? |
| 13:43.21 | Cope | so I'm trying to use pedbg.. but hscroot doesn't have the hmcpe role |
| 13:43.40 | morsing | Cope: You need to phone IBM and get a passwd I think |
| 13:43.55 | morsing | Or you can set the hmcpe passwd possibly |
| 13:44.04 | morsing | :) |
| 13:44.49 | sabinef72 | snog ???? |
| 13:45.05 | morsing | sabinef72: snog = french kissing |
| 13:45.09 | morsing | :) |
| 13:45.30 | sabinef72 | that's not what my dictionary says |
| 13:46.02 | morsing | http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/s.htm |
| 13:46.11 | Cope | wikipe |
| 13:46.16 | Cope | dia says: This article is about a band. Snog also means in British slang, to french kiss. |
| 13:47.42 | Cope | oh? why? |
| 13:52.30 | morsing | His wife gave us a slap on Saturday, telling us to go to the pub tonight and not come back till we've sorted out our issues |
| 13:52.52 | morsing | It's good and bad - we *do* need to sort some thing out to make this work... |
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| 13:53.24 | Cope | this is a friend of yours... but your friendship is under pressure at present? |
| 13:53.33 | morsing | Yes |
| 13:54.14 | sabinef72 | morsing: is it the friend you told me last time ? |
| 13:54.18 | morsing | I'm much closer friends with his wife at the moment which doesn't help my friendship with him |
| 13:54.22 | morsing | sabinef72: Yes |
| 13:54.32 | Cope | morsing: is she very attractive? |
| 13:54.53 | morsing | Cope: Medium. She's cuddly and has a very cute nose :) |
| 13:55.06 | morsing | She's tired of me pulling it thouogh |
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| 13:55.42 | Cope | heh |
| 13:56.37 | morsing | Cope: Here it is: |
| 13:56.38 | morsing | http://www.morsing.cc/Nose.jpg |
| 13:56.55 | sabinef72 | lol |
| 13:57.09 | sabinef72 | this nose is not so pretty |
| 13:57.14 | morsing | Why not :( |
| 13:57.15 | Erwin | Any recommendations for a reputable PC vendor? I don't want to build anything myself, and I want something which is well-designed & tested |
| 13:57.31 | sabinef72 | morsing: dunno |
| 13:57.40 | morsing | Maybe it's just the photo |
| 14:06.09 | eyore | is there any way to see what data is in the linux disk cache or the likelyhood of it falling out, that kind of thing |
| 14:06.28 | Erwin | Not without patches, I think. Why? |
| 14:09.58 | eyore | I am using postgresql, it makes extensive use of the platform disk caching |
| 14:10.21 | eyore | it seems to periodically have very bad performance and i want to see if something else on the server is pushing the database out of the disk cache |
| 14:11.07 | Erwin | I'd start by enabling logging of queries that take more than e.g. 1s |
| 14:11.23 | Erwin | then you can take those queries, run them with EXPLAIN ANALYSE and see if you're hitting any seq scans where an index would help |
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| 14:12.27 | eyore | I've done all that, the query plan doesn't change but sometimes an index scan of 20k records takes 200ms and sometimes 60seconds. |
| 14:12.30 | morsing | keithlard! |
| 14:13.00 | wethrin | kl! |
| 14:13.18 | eyore | I do witness quite a lot of IOwait during the querying |
| 14:14.00 | Erwin | check vmstat 1, see if things are really being read in |
| 14:14.23 | Erwin | it could also be some kind of controller failure -- I had a problem with my 3ware controller running a raid 1+0 over 6 disks: one disk would time out and the system would wait 30s to reset the SCSI bus |
| 14:14.51 | eyore | it could be something to do with the fact it's on a shitty Virtual server |
| 14:15.08 | eyore | which is also confusing my diagnostics |
| 14:15.08 | Erwin | and you only have access to the virtual instance? |
| 14:15.18 | Leeds | what sort of virtual server? |
| 14:15.19 | eyore | It's only happening on the virtual instance |
| 14:15.23 | eyore | virtuozzo |
| 14:15.44 | eyore | For production i currently only have access to a Xen and Virtuozzo instance |
| 14:15.44 | Leeds | hmm... don't know much about that one... don't really know much about any of them, to be honest... :-) |
| 14:15.44 | murb | oh so not a proper one. |
| 14:16.05 | eyore | I could try Xen it generally seems much better |
| 14:16.14 | murb | eyore: xen is completely different. |
| 14:16.22 | eyore | And i trust it's memory guarantees much more |
| 14:16.23 | murb | Virtuozzo is just chroot() on steroids. |
| 14:16.28 | Cope | woo keithlard |
| 14:16.41 | murb | and lots of Virtuozzo resellers tend to oversubscribe memory |
| 14:16.53 | murb | which leads to crap performance. |
| 14:17.04 | eyore | That's what i fear, although i should have guranteed 500meg |
| 14:17.08 | murb | oh and if there is a kernel level bug the one thing is screwed. |
| 14:17.15 | murb | 'cos there is only one kernel running. |
| 14:17.17 | cpufreak | murb: do you have an ip of your hetzner box which I can ping? |
| 14:17.21 | murb | Xen should be save from kernel exploits. |
| 14:17.34 | eyore | maybe i should just try the whole thing on xen |
| 14:17.52 | eyore | I can't even buy a dedicated server in the same data center they ran out of space the idiots. |
| 14:17.53 | morsing | Ping Cope |
| 14:18.34 | Cope | hi morsing |
| 14:19.35 | morsing | ATTD138010 |
| 14:19.50 | Erwin | don't those virtual server solutions have some way to share cache memory between virtual machines and the real machine BTW? |
| 14:20.16 | Erwin | Or do they use raw disk access and let the virtual machines do the caching? |
| 14:20.20 | popey | not if you have a two cores |
| 14:20.24 | Cope | morsing: sounds old |
| 14:20.26 | popey | one core ends up being dom0 doing all the IO |
| 14:20.27 | stephanb2 | Erwin: pc vendor for linux? my 1st machine was from DNUK. nothing special about it, but no problems either |
| 14:20.31 | popey | the other core does the DOMUs |
| 14:20.48 | stephanb2 | Erwin: since then i've gone to build myself |
| 14:20.50 | morsing | Cope: Which is why it should be closed :) |
| 14:21.07 | eyore | Erwin: virtuozzo has a shared cache |
| 14:21.08 | wethrin | morsing: Don't you mean ATDT ? |
| 14:21.13 | eyore | Xen doesn't |
| 14:21.13 | murb | Erwin: there is a filesystem for Xen which sort of allows that, in an ibm style way for text |
| 14:21.15 | Erwin | stephanb2: I'm looking for something like alienware I guess, though less pricey. |
| 14:21.15 | morsing | ATPT! |
| 14:21.16 | eyore | That could be the problem |
| 14:21.22 | morsing | DP? |
| 14:21.26 | wethrin | DT |
| 14:21.37 | antiphase | DVDA |
| 14:21.39 | wethrin | Dial, Tone |
| 14:22.07 | popey | they were bought by usrobotics weren't they? |
| 14:22.09 | popey | then 3com |
| 14:22.20 | morsing | wethrin: Pulse dialling? |
| 14:22.32 | morsing | Hayes is still there |
| 14:22.55 | stephanb2 | Erwin: wot about the usual hp / fujitsu kit? |
| 14:23.28 | Erwin | stephanb2: Maybe. If they're reliable. It seems to vary whether they are good or crap |
| 14:24.27 | wethrin | ATDP :) |
| 14:25.21 | Cope | morsing: i think we're still getting syslog errors |
| 14:27.22 | morsing | Cope: You're not. Not on those servers. Read my email in detail, there a ticket open for cluster03 which is the only cluster alerting |
| 14:27.43 | Leeds | okay, it's half an hour since my sister said she'd call me back in 10 minutes, it's almost half 10, and I'm hungry... time to go out and see what this area - which I moved into today - is like at night |
| 14:30.13 | eyore | oh sod it all, I'll try Xen |
| 14:31.29 | morsing | Cope: Also let me know when app04 can be rebooted |
| 14:31.32 | wethrin | Moved, as in renting for a longer period of time, or just temporary crash space with a friend? |
| 14:32.56 | Cope | morsing: just tell me a time in the evening that is convenient; I'll deal with NFS issues separately |
| 14:35.02 | wethrin | Ahh. Hayes the original company is dead |
| 14:35.06 | wethrin | Only the brand lives on |
| 14:35.09 | wethrin | Occasionally |
| 14:38.52 | morsing | Cope: I've raised an RFC for the NFS issues. Will fix that tomorrow |
| 14:46.07 | morsing | Bye Cope |
| 15:00.20 | eyore | okay well my initial results pretty much fall in line with my prediction that virtuozzo sucks and xen rocks. |
| 15:00.57 | eyore | or at least virtuozzo is deployed in such a way as to make it suck. |
| 15:25.43 | Leeds | the short answer is that a found a decent little Thai place around the corner with a) an open kitchen at 2230, b) an English menu and c) stuff without meat in it |
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| 15:31.23 | Leeds | also, walked past a veggie place on the way home - one I'd already noted - and saw a sign outside saying, effectively, "we're veggie, really - please don't bring any of your own food in because we don't want to take the risk of having meat in the place" |
| 15:32.03 | Leeds | I think I'll go in there one day and just order 2 or 3 random dishes, from the Chinese menu... I trust it won't have meat in it :-) |
| 15:41.25 | Leeds | I prefer Thai, Indian, Mexican, Japanese, Italian... |
| 15:41.59 | goibhniu | I think I ate pigs ears over there once |
| 15:42.17 | goibhniu | the people I was with didn't really get the vegetarian idea |
| 15:42.27 | goibhniu | I often heard "it only has a little meat in it" |
| 15:44.08 | goibhniu | I ate a bowl of melon with mayonaise on it once out of courtesy |
| 15:44.12 | Leeds | well, around here, things get quite cosmopolitan at times, so they understand veggie - plus, there is the concept of Buddhist veggie - a lot of temples have veggie places attached |
| 15:45.07 | goibhniu | the only temple I was in had lots of weed growing in it ... that was very impressive, never saw one with a restaurant |
| 15:46.37 | goibhniu | the best thing was some kind of crispy rice pancake with banana in the middle |
| 15:48.26 | goibhniu | it's all so regional it's kind of hard to call anything chinese though ... it's like calling something western food |
| 15:55.37 | Leeds | okay, but I'm talking about in HK - I've still never been anywhere else in China apart from Macau |
| 16:05.33 | morsing | mooo |
| 16:09.25 | goibhniu | I flicked through a stuff magazine yesterday ... surprising amount of linux gadgets floating around! |
| 16:09.26 | mozrat | Leeds, are you on the London.pm mailing list? |
| 16:09.46 | Leeds | mozrat: since I am neither in London nor a pm, no I'm not |
| 16:10.08 | mozrat | Somebody just posted some obfusticated Python code on list, thought you might like to read it |
| 16:10.17 | Leeds | URL of archive? |
| 16:11.04 | mozrat | http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20061016/004853.html |
| 16:11.36 | mozrat | to be honest - it still isn't as hard to read as regular Perl code |
| 16:12.43 | Leeds | plus, it's not great python |
| 16:14.00 | Leeds | one thing jumps out which could be much neater in python 2.5, now there's a ternary expression, I think that inline function could be done away with |
| 16:14.46 | Leeds | also, we don't normally do one-line if/elif/else statements - it may make your code longer, but it's more readable to do: |
| 16:14.49 | Leeds | if foo: |
| 16:14.51 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.53 | Leeds | else: |
| 16:14.55 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.12 | Leeds | rather than "if foo: bar \n else: baz" |
| 16:15.47 | Leeds | somewhat overuse of listcomps as well |
| 16:15.52 | wethrin | Occasionally I'll do a one-line if statement: if (condition) do_something(); |
| 16:17.34 | Leeds | but it's a different issue in C, where you can omit the {} for a one-liner... in Python, a single-statement block is exactly the same as a multi-statement block |
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| 16:20.01 | wethrin | right |
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| 16:32.12 | morsing | anywhere is better for cycling than London! |
| 16:32.19 | cpufreak | not true |
| 16:32.20 | wethrin | Aylesbury? |
| 16:32.28 | wethrin | keithlard appears to like cycling around London |
| 16:32.29 | cpufreak | cycling around the arctic circle |
| 16:32.36 | cpufreak | is not recommended |
| 16:32.47 | wethrin | What if you use snow chains? |
| 16:33.18 | iTron | Still not recommended. |
| 16:33.55 | goibhniu | cycling in London is much better than Dublin |
| 16:34.19 | goibhniu | I think it's really good actually, lots of scenic cycle lanes tucked away |
| 16:41.15 | Leeds | I was quite amused this afternoon... was on the bus, and went past a place called "Pet Shop Boys dog grooming parlour"... then a place called "Ooops!" |
| 16:43.30 | wethrin | :) |
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| 16:57.26 | goibhniu | any ideas on finding a compatible lcd screen for a laptop? |
| 16:57.41 | murb | ebay. |
| 16:57.58 | goibhniu | I've seen "30 pin" and "standard" floating around ... but I believe there's no such thing as a standard |
| 16:58.43 | goibhniu | people often sell replacement screens for particular laptops but without the lcd model details I'm not sure it'll work |
| 16:58.52 | wethrin | oh dear |
| 16:59.12 | goibhniu | Leeds: does chalk help? |
| 16:59.29 | Leeds | there aren't lots of them, but they're there... I'll talk to them in the morning - this is one of those 'shit happens, let's see how they deal with it' situations |
| 16:59.35 | Leeds | goibhniu: I don't have any chalk |
| 17:00.02 | Leeds | I squirted some washing-up liquid over the hole they appear to be coming out of - it was about the only liquid-ish thing to hand |
| 17:00.15 | goibhniu | we've only got mice and cock roaches in our place ... and nothing has worked so far |
| 17:00.57 | Leeds | you see plenty of cockroaches on the street in HK, but as long as they stay outside I have no problem with them |
| 17:02.01 | Leeds | if nothing else, I'd have thought the 13th floor (actually the 12th because there's no 4th - or 14th or 24th) was a bit high up |
| 17:04.42 | goibhniu | is there something superstitious about 4? |
| 17:04.50 | wethrin | yes |
| 17:05.27 | Leeds | death |
| 17:05.52 | wethrin | YA George AICMFP |
| 17:05.57 | Leeds | it seems that washing-up liquid is actually a recommended way of dealing with ants - I just grabbed the first liquid to hand more potent than water |
| 17:06.04 | goibhniu | Tetraphobia ... wow! |
| 17:06.08 | Leeds | wethrin: 4 means death |
| 17:06.44 | wethrin | Leeds: Yeah - I knew it was something like that - hence Psion missing out their Series 4 |
| 17:06.51 | Leeds | and Palm |
| 17:07.11 | murb | what is 7*6? |
| 17:07.28 | wethrin | Same as 6*7 |
| 17:07.37 | goibhniu | so there will be no playstation 4 then |
| 17:07.46 | Leeds | goibhniu: no, probably not |
| 17:08.00 | goibhniu | deathstation |
| 17:08.12 | Leeds | 8, on the other hand, is a lucky number - means 'prosperity' or something |
| 17:10.48 | Leeds | which is why you see a lot of things called '88' or '888' |
| 17:15.33 | goibhniu | So 404 errors must be particularly important to avoid when doing web development in Asia |
| 17:16.12 | Leeds | heh |
| 17:24.36 | popey | so what was NT4 called? |
| 17:24.56 | Leeds | uh, NT death, I suppose - seems appropriate |
| 17:56.21 | keithlard | ah - there was a series 4 - it just wasn't called that :) |
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| 19:03.01 | sabinef72 | hello |
| 19:04.05 | serris | hi |
| 19:06.32 | sabinef72 | hi serris |
| 19:07.38 | serris | How are you, sabinef72? |
| 19:08.05 | sabinef72 | better, my freebox is back |
| 19:08.06 | sabinef72 | and you ? |
| 19:08.36 | serris | Alright. Just wrote up the Changelog for what I edited in the Ubuntu LiveCD |
| 19:14.13 | sabinef72 | well it's quiet here tonight |
| 19:18.05 | serris | Indeed |
| 19:18.09 | serris | And I got work in a little while : ( |
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| 19:45.55 | z00dax | angelchild: ! |
| 19:48.21 | sabinef72 | hi z00dax |
| 19:48.25 | angelchild | z00dax! |
| 19:48.28 | angelchild | sabinef72! |
| 19:48.38 | sabinef72 | how are you ? |
| 19:49.06 | angelchild | mm, hello :) I'm good! how're you? |
| 19:49.19 | z00dax | hey sabinef72 |
| 19:49.21 | sabinef72 | fine |
| 19:49.31 | angelchild | cool |
| 19:49.31 | sabinef72 | the sun is back, so I'm always in good mood when sun is here |
| 19:49.39 | angelchild | my housemate's been giving me red wine :D |
| 19:50.57 | z00dax | angelchild: save some for me |
| 19:52.19 | angelchild | hehe |
| 19:52.21 | sabinef72 | hope it's french red wine.... |
| 19:52.23 | angelchild | too late ^_^ |
| 19:52.30 | z00dax | ;( |
| 19:52.42 | angelchild | I believe it is :) |
| 19:53.42 | sabinef72 | woah nice |
| 19:53.51 | sabinef72 | too late to have a glass for me too ? |
| 19:54.34 | trousers | Hallo all! |
| 19:55.13 | sabinef72 | hi trousers |
| 19:57.12 | angelchild | sabinef72: we can always buy another bottle ^_^ |
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| 19:57.50 | sabinef72 | angelchild: nice idea ! |
| 19:58.06 | angelchild | :D |
| 20:10.08 | wethrin | Foo |
| 20:15.13 | angelchild | Bar |
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| 20:22.42 | wethrin | Mmm. Bars. |
| 20:26.33 | sabinef72 | wethrin: don't forget us |
| 20:31.34 | sabinef72 | time for bed |
| 20:31.36 | sabinef72 | good night all |
| 20:50.01 | z00dax | wethrin: you buy wine off a catalogue ? |
| 20:50.05 | z00dax | as in an Argos catalogue ? |
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| 21:00.57 | wethrin | z00dax: No, Wine Society catalogue |
| 21:45.20 | z00dax | wethrin: Argos has a Wine society ? |
| 21:46.14 | wethrin | No |
| 21:46.19 | wethrin | Nothing to do with Argos |
| 21:46.20 | wethrin | :) |
| 21:46.23 | wethrin | Or Woolies |
| 21:48.27 | z00dax | Littlewoods ? |
| 21:49.05 | wethrin | Followed by a whisky |
| 21:52.08 | z00dax | single malt ? |
| 21:52.16 | wethrin | Maybe |
| 21:52.20 | z00dax | yay! |
| 21:52.31 | wethrin | :) |
| 21:52.45 | wethrin | Could even be an Amrut |
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