| 00:12.04 | z00dax | nite |
| 00:12.11 | rhowe | 'night |
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| 06:17.27 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 06:17.36 | morsing | rhowe: Why are you ignoring me? |
| 06:18.22 | Leeds | morsing: because you smell |
| 06:20.07 | morsing | :( |
| 06:26.24 | eye69 | Morning |
| 06:26.29 | morsing | eye69! |
| 06:26.34 | morsing | How's Sweeeden? |
| 06:26.38 | serris | morning morsing |
| 06:26.43 | morsing | serris! |
| 06:27.03 | eye69 | Hey morsing. Sweden is adequate. |
| 06:27.24 | serris | Shift just ended |
| 06:28.08 | Leeds | eye69: and how is Norway? |
| 06:28.45 | serris | hi Leeds |
| 06:30.56 | Leeds | hey |
| 06:31.24 | serris | How's it going? |
| 06:44.21 | morsing | moo |
| 06:44.26 | morsing | Krispy Kremes |
| 06:45.22 | eye69 | Leeds: Norway is alright I guess. It's been a while since I went there. |
| 06:46.44 | Leeds | morsing: terrible things |
| 06:47.13 | serris | Krispy Kremes are nice. My local TESCO sells them |
| 06:47.23 | Leeds | they're evil |
| 06:47.41 | Leeds | I mean, they're lovely, but terrible and evil at the same time |
| 06:47.46 | serris | there are no Dunkin' Donuts in the UK so I rely on that |
| 06:47.52 | serris | or Sainsbury's donuts =/ |
| 06:49.28 | Leeds | they opened KK here about a month ago |
| 06:51.05 | mozrat | morning |
| 07:05.08 | sabinef72 | morning ! |
| 07:07.34 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 07:08.21 | sabinef72 | how was your meeting with your friend morsing ? are you still in the pub or do you find a way ? |
| 07:13.12 | morsing | sabinef72: It was fine :) I'm happy again :) |
| 07:14.47 | sabinef72 | ahhhhhhhh |
| 07:14.56 | sabinef72 | that's very good news |
| 07:23.26 | morsing | m |
| 07:38.35 | sabinef72 | skirt ? |
| 07:38.40 | sabinef72 | a skirt for a man ? |
| 07:47.58 | Leeds | kilt? |
| 07:56.39 | morsing | I always wear the same skirts |
| 07:58.04 | sabinef72 | really ? you wear a kilt ? |
| 07:58.55 | morsing | No - pink skirt. For when I go out |
| 07:58.59 | morsing | s |
| 08:04.40 | sabinef72 | morsing: skirt is for woman !!!!! |
| 08:05.54 | Lottokim | It's not! |
| 08:07.12 | sabinef72 | so perhaps I'm making a mistake with this word |
| 08:08.37 | murb | sabinef72: no they are winding you up. |
| 08:08.53 | murb | it is not normal in modern times for men to wear skirts. |
| 08:09.10 | murb | except in scotland, but the less we say about that the better. |
| 08:09.31 | sabinef72 | they are trying to make me crazy with english language again ? |
| 08:09.51 | murb | never. |
| 08:10.09 | sabinef72 | yes they already did it ! really |
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| 08:12.52 | morsing | huw-l! |
| 08:13.02 | morsing | huw-l: Do you sometimes wear a skirt? |
| 08:13.42 | murb | sabinef72: they sometimes like having fun at others expence, not really nice of them, but.. |
| 08:14.10 | sabinef72 | but you know it's not difficult to make me upset with my bad english |
| 08:14.32 | murb | sabinef72: we don't want to upset you. |
| 08:15.27 | huw-l | morsing: no |
| 08:16.46 | morsing | sabinef72: You know we all love you. Don't get upset :) |
| 08:16.49 | sabinef72 | it's my turn |
| 08:16.51 | morsing | Ouch! |
| 08:35.37 | sabinef72 | huw-l: it seems that morsing wears sometimes a pink skirt, so he would like if you too |
| 08:36.39 | huw-l | sabinef72: you are wrong. He wears a tartan skirt |
| 08:37.55 | murb | sabinef72: ignore morsing and his danenglish. |
| 08:39.20 | sabinef72 | lol |
| 09:01.08 | rhowe | morsing! |
| 09:01.27 | rhowe | morsing: heh, I just brough up IRC |
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| 09:15.21 | Cope | moin |
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| 09:17.47 | Cope | woo keithlard |
| 09:23.48 | morsing | Cope! |
| 09:26.15 | Cope | hello morsing |
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| 09:48.02 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 09:48.10 | goibhniu | morsing! |
| 09:48.33 | morsing | Is that your real name, goibhniu? |
| 09:48.53 | goibhniu | nah, I wasn't so cursed |
| 09:48.59 | goibhniu | not far off though, cillian |
| 09:49.03 | morsing | :) |
| 09:49.11 | goibhniu | c sounds like a k |
| 09:55.16 | morsing | Check it! |
| 09:56.02 | goibhniu | safe! |
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| 10:20.32 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 10:22.55 | Leeds | hello! |
| 10:30.50 | morsing | Cope? |
| 10:31.12 | keithlard_ | ooh cope! |
| 10:31.31 | wethrin | people! |
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| 10:31.41 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 10:31.55 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 10:31.56 | wethrin | hi |
| 10:32.11 | Leeds | and, I'm gone again... |
| 10:32.46 | morsing | Leeds is goibhniu?!? |
| 10:50.11 | morsing | goibhni1: Don't worry, rhowe looks like a cat in a box... |
| 11:03.00 | goibhni1 | any idea where I can buy a laptop online and choose some config e.g. 2GB of ram... apart from dell? |
| 11:03.26 | goibhni1 | if I could buy without an os that would be especially nice |
| 11:06.40 | goibhni1 | I know some places do barebones laptops e.g. eclipse, maybe that's the way to go ... hmm |
| 11:09.17 | wethrin | dell laptops have really nice screens. Shit everything else :) |
| 11:09.24 | wethrin | How about a Macbook Pro? |
| 11:11.25 | goibhni1 | I've heard some whinging about linux on the macs ... they're overpriced too |
| 11:12.41 | morsing | Nice |
| 11:12.46 | wethrin | Not really. Mine's lasted me 4.5 years |
| 11:12.53 | wethrin | So price/year tends to be quite good |
| 11:13.48 | goibhni1 | do you think the build quality is superior to thinkpads? |
| 11:14.14 | Cope | and waves |
| 11:15.26 | morsing | Cope! |
| 11:15.29 | goibhni1 | I like the way that they're very silent alright |
| 11:15.55 | goibhni1 | my current laptop sounds like a hoover |
| 11:16.36 | wethrin | goibhni1: I can't comment. My TiBook certainly is |
| 11:16.38 | wethrin | :) |
| 11:16.48 | iTron | goibhni1: It sucks? *boom boom* |
| 11:17.08 | wethrin | I don't know how the Lenovo ones will work out |
| 11:17.35 | iTron | The only thing I dislike about my laptop is the ATI Xpress 200M graphics which infest its internals. |
| 11:18.12 | iTron | I *need* to run blender on that machine and the fglrx drivers either don't work or they crash the OS. |
| 11:19.27 | wethrin | iTron: But all graphics chips suck nowadays |
| 11:19.39 | iTron | The only time I got the fglrx driver working was an older version of the ATI driver - 8.24.mumble - but that driver only works on slightly older 2.6 kernels and Xorg 6.9, which means it looks like I'll have to install an older distribution on it to get 3D accell. working again. |
| 11:19.54 | iTron | wethrin: SOme suck less than others :) |
| 11:20.16 | wethrin | And good ol' 3dfx |
| 11:20.49 | goibhni1 | I'm a bit scared about an nvidia problem that seems to effect random cards ... I spent a fortune on a pci nvidia card only to find out that for no apparent reason it dies badly on X but would probably work on win32 |
| 11:20.56 | iTron | heh - rhowe just informed me there's a Winduhs version of blender. That'll solve the problem straight away. ;) |
| 11:21.36 | iTron | My next laptop purchase will be one with a nice nVidia graphics chip in it - that's for sure. |
| 11:21.46 | goibhni1 | I'd like to go for an intel graphics chip |
| 11:23.08 | morsing | Nice |
| 11:25.15 | goibhni1 | although dual core 64 bit amd + intel gma is a very unlikely combo |
| 11:26.10 | goibhni1 | I think some notebooks use mini pci express ports for their graphics chips ... that would be nice |
| 11:26.21 | antiphase | I'm going to buy Intel stuff now nvidia have sided with ATi. ATi are teh suck. |
| 11:27.08 | iTron | antiphase: What do you mean by "nvidia have sided with ati" ? |
| 11:27.30 | rhowe | antiphase: Do you mean AMD have sided with ATi? :P |
| 11:27.43 | antiphase | Yeh yeh :P |
| 11:27.48 | rhowe | I can't see nvidia and ATi joining forces anytime sono :)_ |
| 11:27.49 | antiphase | Not awake today |
| 11:27.53 | rhowe | soon, rather |
| 11:28.07 | iTron | rhowe: Not unless nVidia buy AMD, who have just assimilated ATI ;) |
| 11:28.15 | murb | whoc of nvidia and ati has the most recent supported chipset? |
| 11:28.38 | murb | (binary only foo need not apply) |
| 11:28.38 | iTron | murb: Generally, nVidia has superior chipset support on linux. |
| 11:28.50 | iTron | Oh. Well, binary only... |
| 11:28.54 | murb | iTron: well given all the recent stuff has been binary only |
| 11:28.55 | morsing | RandomGuy! |
| 11:29.00 | iTron | morsing |
| 11:29.34 | iTron | murb: I am ambivalent on the subject of binary only drivers. Personally I don't care a rats arse if drivers are binary only - as long as they make my toys work. |
| 11:30.39 | antiphase | I agree entirely |
| 11:32.28 | murb | they are generally rather fragile, and i don't like rnjuning a tainted kernel anyway. |
| 11:32.54 | iTron | murb: I'm not as religeous about "tainting" my kernel(s). |
| 11:33.40 | iTron | murb: As for fragile... no. That's not my experience with nVidia binary only drivers - they use a unified driver which is used with both Winduhs and Linux. |
| 11:33.41 | morsing | Mmm... Tainting |
| 11:34.06 | antiphase | I've never had a single problem with nvidia binary drivers. ATi ones on the other hand... |
| 11:34.10 | murb | iTron: when your kernel crashes who should you blame? |
| 11:34.14 | iTron | murb: ATI, on the other hand, can burn in hell for all eternity, as far as I'm concerned. |
| 11:34.24 | murb | nobody will take bugreports seriously if you have a tained kernel. |
| 11:35.18 | murb | why not? |
| 11:35.38 | iTron | murb: I don't /blame/ anyone. I reboot and get on with life. If I find that my kernel crashes, and it's due to the binary driver, then I can choose to either upgrade to the next binary driver revision or go back to the last known working combination. |
| 11:35.41 | murb | it is really easy nowdays as they tend to already be decoded. |
| 11:36.35 | goibhni1 | why support proprietary hardware when there's a decent open source alternative |
| 11:36.54 | iTron | But seeing as the only kernel crashes I suffer are due to ATI's bullshit drivers, and seeing that as far as linux is concerned they don;t care about the particular chip my laptop uses - the bastards - then there's not much I can do about it. |
| 11:37.39 | antiphase | HAve it! |
| 11:37.47 | iTron | goibhni1: There is no /decent/ 3D support for my ATI chip in my laptop. the millisecond one becomes available then of course I'll use it. But I'm not holding my breath waiting for one. |
| 11:38.25 | goibhni1 | exactly so why bother with ati or nvidia at all |
| 11:38.27 | iTron | s/3D/open source 3D/ |
| 11:39.02 | goibhni1 | of course you're stuck with what you've got though |
| 11:39.21 | iTron | goibhni1: Which other graphics chips used in modern laptops have excellent open source 3D accell. support? |
| 11:39.31 | goibhni1 | intel |
| 11:39.45 | goibhni1 | or am I dreaming? |
| 11:39.59 | iTron | Are the intel chipsets any good at 3D compared to nvidia and ATI? |
| 11:40.45 | antiphase | Not at all. They're all shared memory as well |
| 11:40.45 | goibhni1 | aren't they? I thought they were supposed to be pretty close now |
| 11:41.59 | antiphase | The new (Intel) HP desktops we have at work have ATi gfx on board now, instead of Intel |
| 11:42.06 | antiphase | which probably suggests they've given up |
| 11:43.19 | antiphase | The i810 I've got is great. 15 frames per second on GL screensavers (cf 1000fps for my nvidia 6600gt) |
| 11:44.02 | goibhni1 | feck :( |
| 11:46.24 | antiphase | Speaking of which... |
| 11:46.26 | antiphase | http://download2.rapid7.com/r7-0025/ |
| 11:46.39 | antiphase | "Buffer Overflow in NVIDIA Binary Graphics Driver For Linux" |
| 11:51.53 | Cope | any recommended approacheS? |
| 11:54.35 | antiphase | top? |
| 11:54.49 | Cope | sure - shows me that the system is disk bound |
| 11:56.05 | iTron | Cope: Excessive swap usage? |
| 11:56.10 | antiphase | Are there any processes lurking near the top that might hit the disk? |
| 11:56.26 | iTron | Cope: Multiple processes wanting access to data on disks? |
| 11:56.30 | murb | iostat? |
| 11:56.38 | Cope | no evidence of swapping; main processes are on the san |
| 11:56.43 | murb | atleast to see wihch disk is being hit |
| 11:56.57 | Cope | murb: yep; again - I can see which disks are problematic - the internal mirror |
| 11:57.31 | iTron | Cope: lsof perhaps? find out which files are being opened by which process? |
| 11:57.58 | antiphase | There's no magic method, you have to be intuitive using the standard tools usually. |
| 11:58.25 | antiphase | Processes which fork will show large numbers of children during disk contention; single threaded ones may just hog the CPU if they're waiting |
| 11:58.45 | antiphase | Or sit in diskwait a lot |
| 11:58.53 | Cope | exactly |
| 11:59.05 | antiphase | So which processes are doing that? |
| 12:00.20 | antiphase | me doesn't like to state the obvious :/ |
| 12:00.39 | antiphase | Is your wife variable? :P |
| 12:00.43 | iTron | 3000 GBP for 12 cubic metres of shipping space. Not bad. |
| 12:01.31 | iTron | antiphase: WHy yes! Yes she is variable! ;) |
| 12:02.05 | iTron | At least, her moods are ;) |
| 12:11.14 | Cope | morsing? |
| 12:11.39 | morsing | Cope? |
| 12:13.19 | Cope | when do backups run? |
| 12:13.26 | morsing | After 4am |
| 12:13.48 | Cope | filemon was/is showing random large files as being read frequently |
| 12:14.19 | morsing | Like /unix? |
| 12:14.45 | morsing | Cope: Can I be honest - off the record? |
| 12:15.03 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.10 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.24 | Cope | morsing: yeah, because a public irc channel is off the record! |
| 12:15.31 | morsing | :) |
| 12:15.32 | Cope | but yes... /msg if you prefer |
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| 12:35.53 | Cope | erwin: cube247.com |
| 12:37.07 | Erwin | Thanks. |
| 12:38.42 | Erwin | They sure don't skip on RAM; their office PCs have either 2 or 4 G |
| 12:54.29 | morsing | Nice |
| 13:01.00 | eyore | a sales person running linux! whatever next, a release candidate for Hurd? |
| 13:01.42 | morsing | Linux sucks |
| 13:02.11 | eyore | everything is relative. |
| 13:02.34 | eyore | I found netware quite reliable. |
| 13:04.23 | wethrin | Yay for Netware |
| 13:04.27 | wethrin | And RIP Ray Noorda |
| 13:04.39 | wethrin | ibot logs |
| 13:04.47 | ibot | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 13:05.21 | murb | wethrin: KUATBT |
| 13:05.51 | wethrin | murb: I heard about it ages ago |
| 13:05.58 | wethrin | Like, a few hours after he died |
| 13:06.09 | wethrin | So if you don't want a line to be logged |
| 13:06.12 | wethrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.14 | wethrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.15 | wethrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.17 | wethrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.38 | eyore | i wonder if they will ever get the compositing in linux mainstream |
| 13:08.10 | goibhni1 | eyore: aiglx? |
| 13:08.20 | eyore | whichever one |
| 13:08.27 | goibhni1 | it's there ... 7.1 |
| 13:08.38 | eyore | its in a distro yet? |
| 13:09.01 | goibhni1 | sure edgy |
| 13:09.13 | goibhni1 | I think 7.1 is standard now |
| 13:09.14 | eyore | and it "just works?" |
| 13:09.26 | goibhni1 | no ... of course not |
| 13:09.33 | eyore | okay. |
| 13:09.49 | eyore | I suppose it's all problems with binary video drivers |
| 13:09.52 | goibhni1 | well, if you have open source graphics driver yep, it just works |
| 13:10.21 | eyore | I hope it all get's sorted out or Vista osX will have a fairly major advantage |
| 13:10.22 | goibhni1 | and closed source drivers won't be finding their way into the kernel |
| 13:11.00 | morsing | Cope: Where's Dave? |
| 13:11.02 | eyore | playing around trying to get video drivers working is exactly the sort of thing that give linux a bad reputation |
| 13:11.05 | goibhni1 | xgl + nvidia is piss easy to get running though |
| 13:11.39 | eyore | i still can only get onboard DVI working unaccelerated or VGA with messed up colours working accelerated |
| 13:11.45 | eyore | And I'm a software developer |
| 13:11.53 | eyore | heaven help the windows user that tries to convert |
| 13:12.20 | goibhni1 | eyore: yep, it's a problem ... although at my last job we all had video capture cards |
| 13:12.29 | goibhni1 | and nobody could get them working |
| 13:12.45 | eyore | i spent about a day on getting this onboard ATI to work |
| 13:13.04 | goibhni1 | if the driver didn't work there was no way to get it working without reinstalling windows and trying again |
| 13:13.13 | eyore | heh |
| 13:13.58 | goibhni1 | on linux you just had to compile a kernel module |
| 13:14.05 | eyore | i reckon the solution to the problem |
| 13:14.47 | eyore | is have different versions of linux some with very good commercial backing that provide a binary repository and the geeks can use debian and spend days compiling modules and messing with xorg.conf |
| 13:15.13 | eyore | not ideal, but at least that way linux can still become popular |
| 13:15.31 | eyore | also I don't understand why video drivers are kernel modules |
| 13:15.38 | eyore | surely video drives should be user space |
| 13:15.48 | goibhni1 | back when I used to run mandrake 7 it had lots of nice tools for configuring sound and graphics ... these days if X fails it's a blue screen in the face |
| 13:16.27 | eyore | somtimes the screen flicker 5 times and falls out to a terminal screen with some ancient X program that asks about scanlines |
| 13:16.42 | eyore | just the kind of thing you can imagine happening on a mac. |
| 13:16.43 | mozrat | hello! |
| 13:16.44 | eyore | :) |
| 13:17.14 | wethrin | eyore: The drivers need to communicate with the card |
| 13:17.21 | wethrin | Switching from userspace to kernelspace is slow |
| 13:17.47 | wethrin | So there needs to be a way of getting userspace programs to shovel data directly to the card without the overhead of context switches |
| 13:17.50 | goibhni1 | to reconfigure sound on my ubuntu laptop I had to uninstall all kinds of things including gdm ... it was a mess ... it did work but I don't see why I had to get kicked out of x for it |
| 13:17.51 | eyore | Well that argument could be used for running almost everything in kernel space |
| 13:17.54 | eyore | including a webserver |
| 13:18.20 | wethrin | eyore: And indeed khttpd exists |
| 13:18.28 | eyore | yeah resin can too |
| 13:18.43 | wethrin | but there's a tradeoff between speed and 'security' :) |
| 13:19.02 | eyore | I'm not a kernel person I don't know, just feels dodgy from a security stability point of view. I know Vista is moving to userspace video drivers |
| 13:19.04 | wethrin | A web server needs nowhere near the throughput a graphics card does |
| 13:19.22 | wethrin | There'll still be some path for it to communicate with the hardware |
| 13:19.26 | eyore | and they vet video drivers whereas linux maintainers don't vet linux video drivers |
| 13:19.50 | wethrin | Indeed |
| 13:19.53 | eyore | for obvious reasons |
| 13:20.05 | wethrin | Too boring? :) |
| 13:20.20 | eyore | yes, and too much responsibility |
| 13:20.38 | eyore | and anyway they would say, sure i'll check it over if you open source your entire code base :) |
| 13:20.41 | wethrin | Yeah. Can't have programmers taking responsibility for their products, now, can we? |
| 13:21.06 | eyore | well, they would see it as taking responsibility for 3rd party binary librarys. |
| 13:21.41 | eyore | Anyways we need either good commerical support from a distro or two OR open source drivers |
| 13:21.45 | eyore | or we'll be left behind |
| 13:22.02 | eyore | further behind. |
| 13:22.19 | wethrin | yeah. The whole thing of 'just open up the specs and we'll write the drivers' won't quite work |
| 13:22.26 | wethrin | It'll take too long to write the drivers |
| 13:23.10 | eyore | i don't know how much is in the drivers and how much is in the hardware |
| 13:23.36 | eyore | but the fact that they don't want to open source the drivers would seem to imply maybe they feel they have some neat tricks going on in the software |
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| 13:34.14 | morsing | Oh no! Not IKEA!!! |
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| 13:37.24 | mozrat | Cope! |
| 13:37.31 | Cope | woo |
| 13:37.49 | Cope | coffee isnt helping |
| 13:38.05 | wethrin | Hm. Ristrettos all round! |
| 13:38.10 | Cope | i'm so tired, it hurts~! |
| 13:38.33 | wethrin | ow ow OWWWWWWWW! |
| 13:38.33 | wethrin | :) |
| 13:38.34 | Cope | :) |
| 13:38.53 | mozrat | Cope: why so tired? |
| 13:39.22 | Cope | i am always tired; too much to do in the day and evening, not enough sleep, etc |
| 13:40.20 | Cope | i was up at 0530, went to bed at 0000, and have a busy evening ahead |
| 13:42.00 | mozrat | :( |
| 13:51.55 | morsing | Cope: I'm the same |
| 13:51.56 | morsing | :( |
| 14:02.44 | Cope | urgh |
| 14:19.49 | mozrat | hey Leeds |
| 14:21.11 | Leeds | evening mozrat |
| 14:22.46 | mozrat | How is your new accommodation? |
| 14:23.15 | sabinef72 | hello |
| 14:26.35 | Leeds | good and bad... bit small, decently decorated, interesting location, good laundry service... usable internet - I think |
| 14:53.59 | Leeds | how odd - a brief summary of Macau's economy in the middle of a US drama show... |
| 14:58.48 | Leeds | followed by an unfortunate mistake confusing Mandarin and Cantonese |
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| 15:29.25 | eyore | why doesn't css work in a vaguely sane way |
| 15:33.14 | Leeds | 42 |
| 15:35.54 | eyore | very true |
| 15:37.26 | eyore | like there is no way to flow content across the page in a sane way |
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| 15:37.47 | hali | got to love dell, quoting me higher prices than their website state |
| 15:37.53 | eyore | div's go down, spans have no width and floats are outside the page flow |
| 15:38.01 | z00dax_mob | Hello |
| 15:38.27 | eyore | hali: suggest going through the website :) |
| 15:40.37 | hali | eyore: i wrote a very sarcastic email back to them... i expect at least 20% off web site list price :) |
| 15:41.26 | Leeds | ooh, 1 point on your chosen specialised subject on Mastermind? |
| 15:42.35 | Leeds | that's pretty bad |
| 15:43.23 | z00dax_mob | Maybe its not your subjext after all |
| 15:44.44 | Leeds | films of Jim Carey |
| 15:46.25 | trousers | Afternoon all! |
| 15:47.13 | z00dax_mob | At this time of the day :) |
| 15:48.31 | z00dax_mob | Oh btw in case you didnt know, am off on holiday! To India |
| 15:49.19 | Leeds | had a drink this evening with a guy who was going over for diwali |
| 15:50.02 | z00dax_mob | Cool' thats my plan as well. |
| 15:50.23 | z00dax_mob | Although i didnt realise it was evening already |
| 15:50.39 | Leeds | almost midnight here :-) |
| 15:51.12 | z00dax_mob | Ah right, you are back in the far east |
| 15:53.36 | z00dax_mob | Absurdly, putty cant do dns over 3g. Opera and jmirc work fine |
| 15:54.23 | Leeds | blah |
| 15:56.13 | z00dax_mob | Lack of tcpdump is felt |
| 16:16.33 | mozrat | Right! I'm trying to setup PHP5 on SLES10. My phpinfo(); test file works fine, but the default php page (I'm installing ACID) offers the file as a download rather than parseing it on the server |
| 16:17.53 | antiphase | What would you like us to do about it? |
| 16:18.23 | mozrat | Offer me consolation |
| 16:19.09 | mozrat | I'm not sure why it runs my test file through the php parser and not the PHP files that are part of this installation |
| 16:19.31 | antiphase | Are they in the same directory? |
| 16:20.01 | mozrat | yes |
| 16:20.39 | antiphase | How odd. I'm sure it's something simple |
| 16:21.55 | mozrat | me too |
| 16:22.03 | mozrat | unfortunately I am too simple to see what it is |
| 16:25.37 | mozrat | madness |
| 16:25.42 | mozrat | I restarted firefox and it worked |
| 16:25.53 | antiphase | The wonder of caching |
| 16:27.52 | mozrat | aye |
| 16:28.06 | wethrin | Tuesday's overrated |
| 16:28.09 | mozrat | Very |
| 16:28.13 | wethrin | I've been tempted to go out for food :) |
| 16:28.21 | wethrin | I haven't had lunch, so I feel okay in doing so |
| 16:48.47 | cpufreak | buy my stuff: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320039192110 |
| 16:49.59 | wethrin | cpufreak: Bit expensive |
| 16:50.06 | wethrin | Mumble network switch :) |
| 16:50.24 | wethrin | Hm....what time do you tend to stay at work until on Mondays? |
| 16:51.11 | cpufreak | depends no the monday |
| 16:51.14 | cpufreak | they're normally bad. |
| 16:53.09 | wethrin | Hm. I'll be passing through London on Monday 30th around half nine |
| 16:53.16 | wethrin | (evening) |
| 17:10.44 | cpufreak | wethrin: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320039199584 |
| 17:10.46 | cpufreak | thats cheaper. |
| 17:10.49 | cpufreak | buy it. |
| 17:28.24 | sabinef72 | antiphase: are you here ? |
| 17:39.04 | cpufreak | also, buy this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320039210429 |
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| 17:51.38 | Gunde | Good evening |
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| 18:10.24 | zOOz | hello |
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| 18:49.00 | wethrin | cpufreak: Can't afford it! |
| 18:50.02 | wethrin | What exactly does a 7206 route, anyway? |
| 18:51.59 | murb | does it include a license for the software? |
| 18:52.35 | wethrin | Doesn't the licence fit with the hardware? It's not *that* easy to copy it around :) |
| 18:52.38 | wethrin | And even less useful |
| 18:53.37 | murb | wethrin: i don't belive IOS is supposed to be transferable. |
| 18:53.47 | wethrin | aye |
| 19:04.04 | morsing | Moo |
| 19:04.27 | wethrin | ooM |
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| 19:31.29 | morsing | mikejw! |
| 19:31.36 | mikejw | :D |
| 19:56.05 | rhowe | http://www.apple.com/support/windowsvirus/ |
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