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02:28.09 | rhowe | keithlard_: heh, we're looking for a sysadmin too :P |
02:28.18 | rhowe | keithlard_: Can we have z00dax? |
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05:41.40 | sabinef72 | morning |
05:48.57 | Leeds | ha! HK's largely-toothless parliament has voted down the GST :-) |
05:50.10 | sabinef72 | hello Leeds |
05:50.50 | Leeds | also, hello... |
05:53.36 | pdr | morning |
05:58.56 | sabinef72 | grrrrrrrr |
05:58.59 | sabinef72 | stupid mozilla |
05:59.10 | Leeds | ? |
05:59.25 | sabinef72 | it crashed |
06:00.17 | sabinef72 | while I was working on a webpage....So I lost all |
06:15.15 | morsing | sabinef72! |
06:15.38 | sabinef72 | hi morsing |
06:15.44 | sabinef72 | be careful I'm not in good mood |
06:16.03 | morsing | :( |
06:16.06 | sabinef72 | because of this STUPID mozilla |
06:18.42 | morsing | :) |
06:18.53 | morsing | Coffee? |
06:21.47 | sabinef72 | oh yes |
06:21.51 | sabinef72 | with some milk |
06:21.53 | sabinef72 | and suggar |
06:21.58 | sabinef72 | and a little cake |
06:22.05 | sabinef72 | that would be perfect |
06:24.07 | Leeds | if I said I bought lunch from a place called Yamazaki, what sort of place would you think it was? |
06:28.01 | sabinef72 | japonese place |
06:28.13 | sabinef72 | with japonese food ? |
06:28.55 | morsing | Leeds: Hungarian? |
06:29.11 | sabinef72 | lol |
06:29.36 | Leeds | boulangerie chaude |
06:29.47 | morsing | Nice |
06:29.56 | morsing | Is that hungarian? |
06:30.08 | sabinef72 | boulangerie is the french name of baker |
06:30.13 | sabinef72 | chaude is hot |
06:30.24 | sabinef72 | what did you find there Leeds ? |
06:31.07 | Leeds | I know what it means :-) I had a couple of bread-roll type things |
06:33.32 | Leeds | for some reason, there's a whole range of international bakeries around here - Yamazaki is obviously Japanese, there's a French place (called Donq) down the road, a Danish place a bit further away... not to mention at least three different local chains |
06:35.22 | Leeds | okay, and a donut... but I did go in on the way back from the gym :-) |
06:36.14 | sabinef72 | Danish and french place ! morsing we should go there |
06:36.20 | morsing | The Japanese are really into french things... |
06:36.32 | Leeds | strangely enough, no British bakery, but there is a chain of British Dry Cleaners |
06:36.38 | morsing | When I was there it was a bit like english in Denmark |
06:36.53 | morsing | Random words and sentences and things were french |
06:37.16 | morsing | sabinef72: Who is the little girl with the red shoes? |
06:41.09 | sabinef72 | hmm... well... I dunno ! |
06:42.28 | morsing | In Japan they have this little girl thingy in some shops and underneith it it says in french "The little girl with the red shoes" (She has red shoes on |
06:42.38 | morsing | I thought it was some french thing? |
06:44.59 | morsing | Hmm... This might be it but why in french? |
06:45.01 | morsing | http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~melmoth/japan/l.html#littlegirlwearingredshoes |
06:45.28 | morsing | http://www.warriorsoflegend.com/about.html |
06:46.50 | sabinef72 | I never saw her before |
07:02.59 | morsing | What's the Solaris command to kill zombies? |
07:04.05 | morsing | Leeds? |
07:06.57 | morsing | preap! |
07:06.59 | morsing | Thanks |
07:18.24 | Leeds | stake |
07:18.33 | Leeds | sorry, that's for vampires |
07:59.24 | morsing | Moo |
08:04.08 | murb | morsing: you just have to kill their parents |
08:09.06 | morsing | murb: Nope |
08:09.30 | murb | or atleast force them to wait |
08:10.25 | morsing | That's a better idea |
08:10.31 | morsing | That's what preap does |
08:12.20 | murb | i still think irresiposible parents should be shot |
08:13.16 | murb | kill --SIGGUNSHOTTOBACKOFHEAD |
08:13.20 | murb | like |
08:13.33 | Blapto | Morning |
08:14.23 | serris | morning |
08:15.31 | morsing | serris! SlayerXP! |
08:15.40 | serris | How's it going? |
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08:28.02 | andrew___ | hi there |
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08:33.56 | andrew___ | how can I get URLs form (say) thunderbird to fire up in firfox. Using KDE |
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08:42.26 | morsing | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
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08:51.58 | serris | morsing! |
08:53.17 | phearless | GOOD MORNING !!!!!! |
08:54.41 | phearless | when I do "rsync -av livesys@flextest:/home/livesys /home/flexsys", a directory /home/flexsys/livesys is created, and in fact I want all the data from livesys to go in flexsys, I do not want to create /home/flexsys/livesys... how can I do that ? |
08:59.29 | Blapto | blahblah /home/livesys/ /home/flexsys/ ? |
08:59.35 | Blapto | [09:15] <morsing> serris! SlayerXP! |
08:59.36 | Blapto | [09:15] <serris> How's it going? |
08:59.36 | Blapto | [09:27] * SlayerXP has joined #gllug |
08:59.38 | Blapto | what happened there? |
08:59.55 | morsing | Well, I said "serris! SlayerXP!" |
08:59.56 | morsing | The3n |
09:00.11 | morsing | The3n serris said "How's it going?" |
09:00.20 | morsing | and right after that SlayerXP joined |
09:00.29 | morsing | Or was that not the question? |
09:00.30 | Blapto | yes |
09:00.35 | Blapto | I know what actually happened |
09:00.40 | Blapto | but, you know what I meant |
09:00.41 | phearless | Blapto you are a genuis |
09:00.46 | phearless | the 2 / were missing |
09:00.50 | phearless | genius* |
09:12.44 | trousers | Yarrharr |
09:34.42 | morsing | MWAAAA |
10:00.30 | Blapto | Eek |
10:21.56 | keithlard_ | i just got im-wormed! |
10:22.11 | Leeds | oo-er |
10:22.39 | keithlard_ | i get an im message from one of my contacts saying 'is that u on that photo :| http://www.photogbase.com/pictures.php?photo656.jpg' |
10:22.56 | keithlard_ | that script serves me up a PIF file instead: |
10:23.06 | keithlard_ | $ file photo656.pif |
10:23.06 | keithlard_ | photo656.pif: PE executable for MS Windows (GUI) Intel 80386 32-bit |
10:23.15 | keithlard_ | tsk, tsk |
10:23.54 | keithlard_ | i bet you can do this with gaim automation now |
10:28.47 | SlayerXP | keithlard: run strings on it |
10:29.43 | SlayerXP | not much interesting actually |
10:35.26 | keithlard_ | well gimmie can show your online buddies as icons in a dock area |
10:35.35 | keithlard_ | and if you click on them it opens a new gaim window to them |
10:36.30 | keithlard_ | so i guess i could get the user's buddy list and send them all an IM with my URL in :> |
10:37.22 | keithlard_ | now, how to get them to execute a script from the web... |
10:38.09 | SlayerXP | RUN THIS TO SEE NAKED $SEXUAL_PREFERENCE NOW!!!! |
10:38.57 | keithlard_ | 'is that u on that photo' is quite good social engineering |
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10:56.21 | morsing | Blapto! |
10:57.06 | Blapto | mors! |
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11:07.06 | Gunde | Good afternoon |
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11:37.32 | keithlard_ | hola! |
11:38.54 | wethrin | Yo! |
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11:45.04 | morsing | Anyone here know logadm and turnacct? |
11:46.22 | keithlard_ | no... how about whistling it for us? |
11:48.56 | hali | ugh, turnacct gives me the creps... |
11:49.11 | hali | spent way to much time troubleshooting billing procedures with it |
11:54.42 | morsing | hali: Do you know logadm? |
11:55.11 | hali | morsing: yes, a bit at least |
11:55.37 | morsing | /opt/apache2/logs/error_log -P 'Fri Oct 20 02:10:01 2006' |
11:55.47 | morsing | What generates the timestamp? |
11:57.40 | hali | logadm intself i think, logadm runs logadm -w after a successfull run or something like that |
11:58.29 | morsing | So if I want to copy an entry to another server, can I just copy the whole string? |
11:58.55 | hali | sun officially recommend you not to edit logadm.conf manually :) |
11:59.02 | morsing | So how to># |
11:59.04 | hali | you can configure logadm.conf from logadm |
11:59.17 | hali | but copying the line/file will probably work just fine |
12:14.47 | morsing | hali: Is it impossibly to tell what the configuration is? |
12:25.28 | keithlard_ | what is it? |
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12:29.32 | stephanb2 | yo |
12:29.37 | Blapto | hi |
12:29.54 | stephanb2 | hmm long time no see |
12:31.41 | Blapto | Anybody here like the Violent Femmes? |
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12:32.32 | stephanb2 | no I prefer them non-violent |
12:42.46 | morsing | Moo |
12:48.13 | morsing | ping hali |
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12:50.02 | morsing | angelchild |
12:50.04 | morsing | !1 |
12:50.33 | angelchild | morsing! |
12:50.37 | angelchild | (to go see VNV Nation, who are very good live) |
12:50.57 | morsing | Nice |
12:52.15 | angelchild | also, my new DVD RW drive, thinkgeek T-shirts and game arrived today :D |
12:52.24 | angelchild | so, apart form missing a couple of lectures, good times \o/ |
13:03.56 | keithlard | woooo |
13:05.29 | morsing | Neiiii |
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13:24.58 | wethrin | boingg |
13:33.41 | morsing | WETHRIN!!! |
13:33.45 | morsing | Jasperw! |
13:34.26 | angelchild | # But I don't feel like dancing when the old Johanna plays, my heart could take a chance but my two feet don't wanna play # |
13:36.32 | morsing | Ncie |
13:37.10 | angelchild | and now |
13:37.13 | angelchild | for some degree work |
13:37.15 | angelchild | back later |
13:39.23 | wethrin | hi morsing |
13:41.45 | morsing | Beer |
13:42.04 | angelchild | beer? |
13:42.19 | angelchild | no sir |
13:42.20 | angelchild | not at all |
13:42.23 | angelchild | ...where and when? |
13:42.26 | morsing | Why not? :( |
13:42.35 | morsing | Watford around the town center |
13:42.46 | angelchild | ooh |
13:43.07 | morsing | Going with my friend and his wife |
13:43.21 | angelchild | unfortunately I think I've spent too much on train fares this week already :< |
13:43.23 | morsing | He hasn't been drunk in 7 years and she's never been to a night club |
13:43.26 | angelchild | :D |
13:43.31 | morsing | :) |
13:44.28 | wethrin | shocking |
13:44.49 | morsing | wethrin? You think? |
13:46.09 | wethrin | Yeah |
14:14.45 | morsing | wethrin: Check it! |
14:24.57 | Blapto | Hi |
14:25.00 | Blapto | Wethrin doesn't think! |
14:38.05 | morsing | Blapto! |
14:41.08 | Blapto | morsing! |
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15:57.00 | wethrin | Blapto: Oi! |
15:59.56 | trousers | Hmm, that was strange :S |
16:00.07 | trousers | I went to my not-so-local library and bumped into a guy I met at last meeting |
16:00.35 | antiphase | I avoid that by not going out |
16:00.50 | trousers | I was getting some literature... |
16:01.17 | trousers | Free books > pirated books > bought books |
16:03.07 | wethrin | Woo. Cheap flights to FOSDEM |
16:03.32 | Blapto | I've met wethrin in a pub a few times. |
16:04.02 | trousers | wethrin: Where is FOSDEM? |
16:04.44 | wethrin | trousers: Brussels |
16:05.10 | trousers | Hmm, just Googled... This will take a large bit of parent persuading :) |
16:05.33 | wethrin | Keep an eye out on the Social list - I tend to do a block booking for Youth Hostel (Fri->Sun) |
16:06.05 | Blapto | when is it? |
16:06.20 | wethrin | 24-25 Feb |
16:06.25 | wethrin | Plus booze on the 23rd |
16:06.31 | trousers | Am I allowed to go even though I don't technically develop any software? |
16:06.49 | psnl | wethrin doesn't develop anything etheir |
16:07.14 | wethrin | I go there for booze. And to claim I've met lots of people |
16:07.16 | trousers | Hmm, I really do want to develop *something* though, I just don't know what projects I could do any worthy contributions to :( |
16:07.23 | wethrin | Grr. I'm not allowed to find Eurostar prices |
16:07.30 | wethrin | As their booking date ends on the 17/02 |
16:07.31 | trousers | Not allowed? |
16:07.34 | trousers | Oh |
16:07.37 | antiphase | trousers: Try reinventing the wheel |
16:07.49 | trousers | antiphase: I think that's a bit old these days... |
16:08.01 | wethrin | Nah - They do it all the time |
16:08.18 | antiphase | If you just want to learn to program, write some games |
16:08.40 | antiphase | I always thought it would be nice to contribute to something, but I was born 20 years too late |
16:08.45 | wethrin | Indeed |
16:08.59 | trousers | I was thinking that... But they're not really of any use to anyone, even though they do give me a fair chunk of experience (currently reading a PDF on Linux game programming) |
16:10.07 | trousers | Also, does anybody know how to make it so that output on a screen is constantly in the same place |
16:10.16 | trousers | Kind of like top, if you understand? |
16:10.41 | wethrin | clear && do stuff |
16:10.50 | wethrin | Or use (n)curses |
16:11.20 | Blapto | ncurses rocks |
16:11.36 | wethrin | You missed a 'blows' in there somewhere |
16:11.38 | Blapto | I need to write an ncursesed frontend to ethstats |
16:12.10 | trousers | ncurses? |
16:12.28 | Blapto | The CEO has a grand vision of a huge modern glass partitioned office with flat panels everywhere |
16:12.44 | Blapto | So I'm going to put nagios and ethstats on a 42" flatpanel for him |
16:12.49 | wethrin | That'll be rather unpleasant in summer |
16:13.31 | trousers | ethstats? |
16:13.57 | antiphase | Crawling before running considered sensible |
16:16.07 | Blapto | wethrin, I won't be here come summer :D |
16:16.14 | wethrin | Blapto: Heh |
16:16.39 | keithlard | ooh, what's ethstats? |
16:17.05 | Blapto | It's a package that just looks at /proc stuff and works out pps and bps through interfaces |
16:17.23 | keithlard | where is fosdem then, in belgium? |
16:17.27 | trousers | wethrin: I think the best argument for FOSDEM is that Brussels is closer than Manchester :) |
16:17.28 | wethrin | keithlard: Indeed |
16:17.29 | Blapto | nothing really fancy, just mildly useful when you're wondering if a screen process is done curling and you can't be arsed to reattach |
16:17.31 | keithlard | blapto> sounds cool! |
16:17.32 | wethrin | In Brussels, specifically |
16:17.50 | keithlard | hmm i could get the train |
16:18.06 | Blapto | vsh1:~# ethstats |
16:18.06 | Blapto | total: 0.01 Mb/s In 0.01 Mb/s Out - 14.0 p/s In 9.0 p/s Out |
16:18.06 | Blapto | <PROTECTED> |
16:18.06 | Blapto | <PROTECTED> |
16:18.12 | keithlard | nifty |
16:18.21 | keithlard | have you seen cacti? |
16:18.22 | wethrin | keithlard: Indeed, except that E* isn't booking for those dates ATM |
16:18.24 | Blapto | yes |
16:18.33 | Blapto | RTG style things are good |
16:18.45 | Blapto | especially ones that speak SNMP and can monitor switches, etc. |
16:19.03 | keithlard | wethrin> grumble |
16:19.15 | wethrin | keithlard: Indeed |
16:19.22 | wethrin | I think I shall fly from Newcastle again |
16:19.22 | antiphase | iptraf |
16:19.38 | trousers | Ah, balls, Manchester is closer than Brussels, but Newcastle isn't! |
16:19.54 | Blapto | iptraf is also great, but overkill most of the time |
16:20.29 | wethrin | trousers: Hmm? |
16:20.34 | wethrin | Newcastle's closer to me |
16:20.40 | trousers | Not to me |
16:20.48 | wethrin | Yes, but Im in Durham :-P |
16:20.55 | trousers | Wait, if you live near Newcastle, then why are you part of GLLUG? |
16:21.02 | Blapto | he's a tourist |
16:21.23 | wethrin | Muahaha |
16:21.34 | wethrin | Errr. Because I'm only doing a degree up here |
16:21.46 | trousers | Ahh |
16:23.17 | trousers | Hmm, I should also check if I have school then *checks* |
16:23.29 | psnl | trousers: he is on the run, and the uni authorites up here haven't heard about him yet |
16:23.40 | wethrin | trousers: Tell them you're sick |
16:23.47 | trousers | wethrin: Tut tut |
16:23.58 | wethrin | trousers: Depending how much you drink, it'll be true |
16:24.07 | trousers | wethrin: I don't. |
16:24.15 | wethrin | trousers: Good time to start! |
16:24.24 | trousers | Hmm, it is in the holidays! |
16:24.51 | trousers | But only just... I have school on the 26th |
16:24.52 | wethrin | Aha |
16:24.58 | wethrin | That's okay. You'll be back in time |
16:25.07 | wethrin | Right. I notice it's time for me to go to the pub |
16:25.11 | trousers | Although I think by law I'm allowed up to 2 weeks holiday by discretion of the headmaster |
16:25.32 | wethrin | It'll help a career, or something like that :) |
16:25.44 | psnl | wethrin: early |
16:25.54 | wethrin | psnl: Court Inn. Food. |
16:25.55 | trousers | wethrin: Indeed |
16:26.02 | wethrin | You know you want to come |
16:26.05 | psnl | had food already today |
16:26.12 | psnl | I also have no money yet |
16:26.12 | wethrin | Yes. Have it again |
16:26.13 | trousers | Well, i'll try to do some persuading tonight |
16:26.14 | wethrin | Bah |
16:26.17 | wethrin | trousers: Good man! |
16:26.24 | Blapto | just say you're popping out for a bit |
16:26.37 | Blapto | and come back reeking of booze carrying FOS literature a few days later |
16:26.44 | trousers | Blapto: I think they'd notice a bit, even if I said I got lost |
16:26.49 | wethrin | heh |
16:26.51 | wethrin | Right. Bye! |
16:26.53 | Blapto | bye |
16:26.54 | trousers | Bye |
16:26.59 | psnl | see you later |
16:27.01 | Blapto | say you got kidnapped |
16:27.03 | Blapto | I'll kidnap you |
16:27.16 | psnl | trousers: say it was a very good pary |
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16:56.06 | z00dax | hello hello! |
17:08.09 | keithlard | z00dax! |
17:08.35 | z00dax | keithlard: ! |
17:09.45 | Blapto | pub time |
17:09.56 | Blapto | I'll be in the windmill I reckon if anybody pops along in the next hour |
17:09.56 | Blapto | bye |
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17:28.30 | mozrat | wooo - Gunde! |
17:36.19 | Gunde | mozrat (: |
17:39.17 | morsing | :( |
17:39.29 | Gunde | morsing, sad? |
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17:55.30 | sabinef72 | hi !!!!!!! |
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17:56.34 | cope | urgh |
18:03.02 | z00dax | a cope! |
18:03.13 | cope | indeed |
18:03.16 | cope | a cursed cope |
18:03.24 | cope | with a defaukt suse 9.3 install |
18:03.25 | z00dax | wuzup ? |
18:03.34 | z00dax | ah right, suse,, |
18:03.38 | cope | just feels horrid, and very unfamiliar |
18:04.27 | z00dax | ok, sleep time |
18:04.31 | z00dax | happy diwali everyone |
18:13.17 | sabinef72 | z00dax: are you still in England ? |
18:15.43 | serris | hial |
18:15.49 | serris | hi all* |
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18:32.03 | cope | any suse users around? |
18:37.56 | mozrat | If he comes back could someone tell him that I am.. he has my mobile number |
18:39.39 | trousers | Wethrin? |
18:40.26 | serris | hi mozrat |
18:48.31 | keithlard | yaay cope! |
18:48.39 | keithlard | aw |
19:00.22 | mozrat | hello serris |
19:00.24 | mozrat | and keef! |
19:00.50 | mozrat | ibot Gunde |
19:06.05 | mozrat | foo |
19:09.46 | serris | how's it going? |
19:20.23 | trousers | Does FOSDEM actually cost anything? |
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19:28.31 | Leeds | trousers: there is a voluntary donation - most people give 20EUR or so, for which they give you a t-shirt |
19:28.56 | Leeds | could be 25 - something in that area |
19:29.05 | trousers | Leeds: So it doesn't *actually* cost anything, though? |
19:29.30 | Leeds | no, there is no compulsary charge - apart from travel and accomodation, of course |
19:35.00 | Leeds | the polite way to look at it is that if you can afford to pay something, you do so, but entrance isn't limited to those who pay |
19:38.59 | sabinef72 | hiiiiiii angelchild |
20:13.51 | angelchild | :) |
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22:49.03 | Erwin | If you ever go to see "Spamalot", try getting seat D1.. :-) |
22:49.16 | angelchild | hmm? :) |
22:49.19 | angelchild | howcome? |
22:49.45 | Erwin | You get up on the stage and get a little prize as part of the show |
22:50.14 | angelchild | ooh, cool, but are you sure it's not randomly chosen/planted? :) |
22:52.51 | Erwin | Yeah, as there's a pretty big clue on stage that leads King Arthur to find the Holy Grail under D1 |
22:53.12 | angelchild | ah! |
22:53.47 | Erwin | All in all an amusing musical, but not the greatest thing I've seen in London. |
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23:06.31 | keithlard_ | ooh diwali fireworks |
23:46.11 | wethrin | ooh |
23:48.02 | wethrin | ~change 150 GBP to USD |
23:49.43 | hali | ~change 5 DONKEYS to GOATS |
23:50.02 | hali | not bad :) |
23:58.21 | wethrin | I'd buy that for a dollar |