irclog2html for #gllug on 20061029

`00:00.00`	`secretlondon`	`random softMAC errors too`
`00:00.01`	`secretlondon`	`think i prefer normal xchat to gnome xchat tho`
`00:00.07`	`sabinef72`	`I'm not so far from La Defense : only 20 mn but tramway`
`00:00.27`	`secretlondon`	`hi sabinef72`
`00:00.36`	`sabinef72`	`hi secretlondon`
`00:00.41`	`antiphase`	`irssi > *`
`00:01.00`	`deep-blue`	`Issy sabinef72?`
`00:01.26`	`sabinef72`	`deep-blue: yes I'm living in Issy Les Moulineaux. How do you know that ?`
`00:01.53`	`deep-blue`	`I also have family near versailles`
`00:02.09`	`deep-blue`	`they normally collect me from Issy Les Moulineaux`
`00:02.18`	`Leeds`	`fuck`
`00:02.19`	`sabinef72`	`funny`
`00:02.21`	`deep-blue`	`they are gonna expand the line at some point I believe`
`00:02.25`	`sabinef72`	`Leeds !`
`00:03.09`	`sabinef72`	`deep-blue: now you have no excuse !`
`00:03.19`	`sabinef72`	`you must come here and become my new teacher`
`00:03.25`	`sabinef72`	`I need to progress in english`
`00:03.37`	`deep-blue`	`ill be in paris between dec 24 and jan 3rd`
`00:04.20`	`sabinef72`	`nice !`
`00:04.29`	`Leeds`	`when you go to bed at 5am and wake up at 8 to go to the gym, "fuck" is the only appropriate way to wake up`
`00:04.45`	`deep-blue`	`Leeds too true`
`00:05.09`	`sabinef72`	`Leeds: but it's your fault... why did you go to bed at 5am if you know you have to wake up at 8 ?`
`00:05.49`	`deep-blue`	`I did a shoot there for my photography a-level`
`00:05.56`	`Leeds`	`sabinef72: because I was out with a lady and waiting for a convenient time to dump her with other people and come home to bed`
`00:06.33`	`sabinef72`	`ok I see`
`00:06.53`	`deep-blue`	`I love that place ><`
`00:07.04`	`sabinef72`	`yes`
`00:07.09`	`sabinef72`	`did you ever been on the top ?`
`00:07.35`	`deep-blue`	`I was depressed by the lack of view`
`00:07.50`	`deep-blue`	`the fact you cant see down to the plaza`
`00:08.10`	`deep-blue`	`I have to convince my cousin to get me into his office in the SocGen tower`
`00:08.24`	`Leeds`	`I went up the arch`
`00:08.27`	`sabinef72`	`he he`
`00:08.49`	`Leeds`	`also went up the steps in the Arc do Triumphe`
`00:09.05`	`Leeds`	`or however you foreigners spell it`
`00:09.07`	`deep-blue`	`I cheated, went up in the lift, down the stairs >< much nicer view from there`
`00:09.07`	`sabinef72`	`and the eiffel tour ?`
`00:09.16`	`sabinef72`	`Arc de Triomphe`
`00:10.50`	`deep-blue`	`I miss france ><`
`00:11.09`	`catalyst`	`I missed france`
`00:11.14`	`catalyst`	`I hit germany instead`
`00:11.16`	`catalyst`	`:(`
`00:11.33`	`deep-blue`	`hehe I finally received my boxed copy last week`
`00:11.35`	`sabinef72`	`well, it's late. I'll go to bed`
`00:11.40`	`sabinef72`	`see you tomorrow !`
`00:11.44`	`catalyst`	`night sabinef72 =)`
`00:11.47`	`Leeds`	`g'night`
`00:12.07`	`deep-blue`	`bonne nuit sabinef72`
`00:12.22`	`sabinef72`	`bonne nuit deep-blue et à demain !`
`00:12.29`	`deep-blue`	`ciao`
`00:13.22`	`catalyst`	`oyasumi nasai!`
`00:13.52`	`Leeds`	`lilah tov`
`00:13.59`	`Leeds`	`or boker tov in my case`
`00:19.33`	`deep-blue`	`bleh`
`00:22.37`	`deep-blue`	`oo fuck me, my isp have a debian mirror :D`
`00:22.46`	`antiphase`	`No thanks`
`00:22.52`	`deep-blue`	`:p`
`00:22.54`	`antiphase`	`Is that good?`
`00:23.12`	`antiphase`	`blueyonder have many mirrors`
`00:23.16`	`deep-blue`	`im net installing debian, so im getting 1.2mbit`
`00:23.37`	`antiphase`	`I always wonder why people do that`
`00:23.42`	`wethrin`	`Net installing?`
`00:23.59`	`deep-blue`	`well in this case, I have no cd/dvd drive`
`00:24.31`	`secretlondon`	`nice`
`00:24.31`	`secretlondon`	`I'm getting dialup speeds with major periods of laaag`
`00:25.33`	`antiphase`	`What's up with it?`
`00:26.38`	`secretlondon`	`my adsl?`
`00:27.14`	`secretlondon`	`err. it got cut off for pauper reasons`
`00:28.00`	`catalyst`	`d'oh`
`00:28.14`	`antiphase`	`Did some homeless dude gnaw through your phone wire?`
`00:28.24`	`deep-blue`	`catalyst spec?`
`00:28.47`	`wethrin`	`And they're on the BBC Multicast trial`
`00:29.46`	`deep-blue`	`ive had 5 customers dump talktalk this week`
`00:30.11`	`catalyst`	`deep-blue: http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/nbrange.html?RVF (celeron M 1.6GHz, 512Mb RAM)`
`00:30.26`	`catalyst`	`"ATI Radeon Xpress 200 Graphics"`
`00:31.08`	`secretlondon`	`i'm on an eratic community wifi style device`
`00:31.09`	`secretlondon`	`which is too eractic for taste`
`00:31.13`	`secretlondon`	`antiphase: i'm a student..`
`00:31.37`	`antiphase`	`You can get baked beans for < £0.10 these days`
`00:32.01`	`antiphase`	`Which surely offsets the cost of ADSL :)`
`00:32.15`	`secretlondon`	`they are about 18p, and contain half the daily recommended dose of salt..`
`00:32.17`	`wethrin`	`Hm. Unlimited 8MB for �28/month`
`00:32.34`	`secretlondon`	`it was bt that cut me off anyway`
`00:32.46`	`secretlondon`	`my isp were the people who told me, actually`
`00:32.58`	`antiphase`	`I've got unlimited 17Mb for £0.00. I do work for an ISP though MU HA HA HA`
`00:34.13`	`secretlondon`	`aaisp rock - but I'm not sure I can afford to go back to them`
`00:34.39`	`antiphase`	`Even the most budget and shite ADSL would be better than dial-up`
`00:34.54`	`*** join/#gllug deep-blu3 (n=evil1337@82-44-63-50.stb.ubr02.mort.blueyonder.co.uk)`
`00:35.05`	`deep-blu3`	`freakin weird power issues`
`00:35.33`	`catalyst`	`PlusNET suck`
`00:35.40`	`catalyst`	`except that they let us have a 16 IP subnet`
`00:35.45`	`catalyst`	`with minimal fuss`
`00:36.01`	`secretlondon`	`antiphase: I'm not on dialup, i'm on shite wifi`
`00:36.16`	`antiphase`	`Stolen? :)`
`00:36.34`	`secretlondon`	`borrowed with permission`
`00:36.41`	`wethrin`	`G'night all!`
`00:36.46`	`secretlondon`	`night wethrin`
`00:37.34`	`catalyst`	`night wethrin :)`
`00:38.59`	`secretlondon`	`hmm. gnome weather applet doesn't seem to know about sunsets anymore and thinks it's sunny here`
`00:39.31`	`catalyst`	`hehe`
`01:29.33`	`deep-blue`	`hmm`
`01:38.28`	`secretlondon`	`are we still on bst?`
`01:38.42`	`deep-blue`	`nope`
`01:38.45`	`deep-blue`	`now GMT`
`01:38.59`	`secretlondon`	`so this is the second 1.39am today?`
`01:39.03`	`catalyst`	`yes`
`01:39.07`	`deep-blue`	`yer`
`01:39.11`	`secretlondon`	`ah - i wonder where that hour went..`
`01:39.14`	`catalyst`	`and log files all over the world are going to get very confusing`
`01:39.35`	`secretlondon`	`lag and synpatic ate my evening`
`01:39.49`	`catalyst`	`whereby I try and analyse existence too much and end up knawing my leg off in response`
`01:41.08`	`deep-blue`	`but surely`
`01:41.12`	`deep-blue`	`you can only do that twice?`
`01:41.22`	`catalyst`	`I've never actually knawed my leg off`
`01:41.25`	`catalyst`	`it's more a figurative thing`
`01:41.32`	`deep-blue`	`:p`
`01:42.04`	`secretlondon`	`yes you must be right - syslog agrees with you ;)`
`01:43.00`	`secretlondon`	`does anyone know of a decent 3d package that isn't super scary like blender?`
`01:43.12`	`catalyst`	`C`
`01:43.12`	`secretlondon`	`I know if wings3d but it doens't do what I want alas`
`01:43.27`	`catalyst`	`just program the vertices yourself`
`01:43.30`	`catalyst`	`:<`
`01:43.50`	`catalyst`	`blender's probably easier to understand if you consider that its interface was designed for tablet users`
`01:44.08`	`secretlondon`	`i want "render to texture" for gaming skins`
`01:44.15`	`catalyst`	`but I doubt you'll find a 3D package for a reasonable price with a reasonable feature set aside from blender`
`01:45.02`	`secretlondon`	`i know maya and 3d studio max do it ;)`
`01:45.02`	`secretlondon`	`we need a free version of poser`
`01:45.02`	`secretlondon`	`with added shiny`
`01:45.13`	`catalyst`	`\o/`
`01:45.24`	`catalyst`	`go on then, sign up a project on sf ;p`
`01:49.28`	`catalyst`	`http://excds.ath.cx/fun/images/kmartvz5.jpg <--- snigger`
`01:49.38`	`catalyst`	`secretlondon: the spirit of open source! :)`
`01:56.55`	`secretlondon`	`Ubuntu art is so boring I've just registered to improve it ;)`
`01:57.08`	`secretlondon`	`image still loading..`
`02:05.02`	`catalyst`	`secretlondon: good luck :)`
`02:06.40`	`*** join/#gllug secretlondon (n=secret@wikipedia/secretlondon)`
`02:09.44`	`catalyst`	`hello again XD`
`02:09.57`	`secretlondon`	`i think i'm gonna have to go back to dapper as the lag is killing me`
`02:16.12`	`*** join/#gllug secretlondon (n=secretlo@5ac0b80e.bb.sky.com)`
`02:16.49`	`catalyst`	`hello again, again :)`
`02:16.54`	`secretlondon`	`rehi`
`02:17.20`	`secretlondon`	`much better connection now :(`
`02:18.01`	`catalyst`	`that doesn't say much for Edgy then :(`
`02:18.14`	`catalyst`	`(assuming that's what you switched back from)`
`02:19.02`	`secretlondon`	`well it's because the zd1211 driver was changed - a new one is included in the kernel`
`02:19.18`	`secretlondon`	`but the zd1211rw isn't as good with weak signals I think`
`02:19.28`	`catalyst`	`ah right`
`02:19.33`	`catalyst`	`wireless then?`
`02:19.35`	`secretlondon`	`but it generally a bit weird`
`02:19.50`	`secretlondon`	`i'm using a friends wireless until i get my adsl back`
`02:21.40`	`catalyst`	`ah!`
`02:24.24`	`secretlondon`	`you'll prob be able to sue either the open source or the non-open source drivers`
`02:24.45`	`secretlondon`	`s/sue/use`
`02:24.46`	`catalyst`	`I'll get the lawyers ready then`
`02:24.56`	`secretlondon`	`s/sue/use/`
`02:25.00`	`catalyst`	`hehe`
`02:45.39`	`Leeds`	`okay, definitely not the best gym session I;ve ever had`
`02:47.08`	`catalyst`	`howcome?`
`02:51.27`	`Leeds`	`because it was at 8:30 on a Sunday morning after about 3 hours sleep, with a hurriedly-eaten tuna sandwich in my stomach, which was otherwise feeling a little fragile, and having slept from about 8am to 1pm on Saturday`
`02:52.20`	`Leeds`	`but apart from that... :-)`
`02:54.12`	`Leeds`	`I normally go around mid-day, and having had at least something vaguely like a proper night's sleep`
`03:01.27`	`catalyst`	`ah!`
`04:01.19`	`secretlondon`	`i'm munching on bread - we have a turkish 24hr shop here that sells bread called pide (same root as pitta) for 60p - they are massive things the size of a shelf of my fridge..`
`04:01.54`	`secretlondon`	`but about 10cm thick - not pitta like at all`
`04:07.40`	`catalyst`	`tasty`
`04:08.04`	`catalyst`	`we have no 24 hour shop round here that sells anything :(`
`04:08.39`	`secretlondon`	`bah - I live off a major road so we have a couple, a 24 hr bagel place, and lots of late night kebab places`
`04:10.32`	`catalyst`	`can I move in next door?`
`04:11.27`	`secretlondon`	`you can replace the mad bloke downstairs if you want..`
`04:12.06`	`Leeds`	`I've got a 7-11 on the street, a 24-hour McDonalds on the other end of the block, and a couple of 24-hour Chinese diner-type places within a few minutes walk`
`04:14.11`	`secretlondon`	`leeds: wheres this?`
`04:14.28`	`Leeds`	`North Point`
`04:14.50`	`secretlondon`	`i don't know it - not London I guess`
`04:15.18`	`Leeds`	`not exactly, no`
`04:15.29`	`Leeds`	`try a few thousand miles east`
`04:15.31`	`Leeds`	`quite a few...`
`04:15.42`	`secretlondon`	`ooh`
`04:15.47`	`secretlondon`	`singapore?`
`04:15.55`	`Leeds`	`further - but close ;-)`
`04:16.05`	`catalyst`	`Hong Kong :)`
`04:16.11`	`Leeds`	`impressively close for a first guess`
`04:16.12`	`secretlondon`	`ah cool`
`04:16.24`	`catalyst`	`Southampton: Lacking in Cool(tm)`
`04:16.35`	`secretlondon`	`Walworth - it can get cold`
`04:17.43`	`catalyst`	`but you have shops`
`04:17.47`	`Leeds`	`Hong Kong: not a colony any more - we're a Special Administrative Region now!`
`04:17.51`	`catalyst`	`I get to rely on my freezer`
`04:18.11`	`catalyst`	`Leeds: just a plural off a viral disease :)`
`04:18.51`	`Leeds`	`indeed`
`04:19.13`	`catalyst`	`my friends need to let me be more spontaneous`
`04:19.28`	`catalyst`	`one of them said that she doesn't want me coming round at 4am because it'll wake up her housemates`
`04:19.30`	`catalyst`	`pfft`
`04:19.41`	`catalyst`	`I suspect she's also a little scared of me`
`04:19.42`	`Leeds`	`heh`
`04:21.07`	`catalyst`	`I live in hope`
`04:21.37`	`Leeds`	`I live in China`
`04:21.59`	`secretlondon`	`I live in a tip`
`04:21.59`	`catalyst`	`congrats`
`04:23.03`	`Leeds`	`secretlondon: what's so secret about London, anyway?`
`04:23.53`	`secretlondon`	`Leeds: nothing really. There are/were secret bits - and I lack imagination name wise`
`04:24.02`	`secretlondon`	`Leeds:why leeds?`
`04:24.37`	`Leeds`	`my home town`
`04:24.46`	`catalyst`	`that is a question I imagine a lot of UK citizens ask themselves all the time`
`04:25.09`	`secretlondon`	`Leeds is posh, Bradford is a total shit hole`
`04:25.23`	`Leeds`	`yup`
`04:25.35`	`catalyst`	`had a very nice curry in bradford, actually`
`04:26.05`	`Leeds`	`secretlondon: I'm just reading Bill Bryson's "Notes From A Small Country" and he's pretty scathing about Bradford, apart from the curry, the Alhambra and the museum`
`04:26.28`	`secretlondon`	`it's dreadful`
`04:26.36`	`secretlondon`	`the locals are the real problem`
`04:26.53`	`secretlondon`	`i left aged 19 and have no intention of going back`
`04:27.14`	`secretlondon`	`it's like daily mail land with added bnp recruitment areas`
`04:27.45`	`Leeds`	`heh`
`04:27.53`	`catalyst`	`nasty`
`04:30.01`	`Leeds`	`I got out of Leeds when I was 18, anyway`
`04:30.29`	`secretlondon`	`i was just 19 when I started uni`
`04:43.20`	`catalyst`	`mm, cheese on toast`
`05:36.55`	`Leeds`	`so was I`
`06:00.50`	`Leeds`	`but I spent a year in Israel between my 18th and 19th birthdays`
`06:01.19`	`secretlondon`	`ah`
`06:06.24`	`Leeds`	`hmm... my regular local forum contains "Where to buy kitten?" and "Where to eat dog?" in the recent topics list...`
`06:06.42`	`Leeds`	`http://www.geoexpat.com/forum/thread15165.html`
`06:07.11`	`secretlondon`	`yum!`
`06:07.25`	`secretlondon`	`homesick koreans?`
`06:09.16`	`Leeds`	`curious westerners, more likely`
`06:09.49`	`secretlondon`	`probably`
`06:11.46`	`Leeds`	`I don't think I've met that user... anyway, going out now - have a good day`
`06:12.53`	`secretlondon`	`bye`
`06:13.01`	`catalyst`	`so`
`06:13.04`	`catalyst`	`still up?`
`06:13.07`	`secretlondon`	`well night really - its somehow 6am here`
`06:13.20`	`catalyst`	`au revoir Leeds`
`06:13.26`	`secretlondon`	`yeah - i've uploaded 15 photos now`
`06:13.37`	`catalyst`	`I'm supposed to meet someone to go shopping at 11:30`
`06:13.52`	`catalyst`	`links?`
`06:15.21`	`catalyst`	`nevermind`
`06:15.25`	`secretlondon`	`1 sec`
`06:15.32`	`secretlondon`	`i'm waiting for it to upload`
`06:16.00`	`catalyst`	`no penguins :(`
`06:16.09`	`secretlondon`	`just done one now`
`06:16.23`	`secretlondon`	`south african penguins, no less`
`06:16.39`	`secretlondon`	`waa - broken image`
`06:16.54`	`catalyst`	`:<`
`06:17.18`	`secretlondon`	`uploading again`
`06:17.41`	`secretlondon`	`my tired brain got confused between the html file starting image:blah.jpg and the file blah.jpg`
`06:18.00`	`secretlondon`	`http://art.ubuntu.com/main.php?g2_itemId=691`
`06:18.16`	`catalyst`	`yay! penguins!`
`06:18.18`	`catalyst`	`okay`
`06:18.27`	`catalyst`	`time for me to get some sleep at least`
`06:18.30`	`catalyst`	`sigh`
`06:18.30`	`secretlondon`	`well sleep well`
`06:18.34`	`secretlondon`	`g'night`
`06:18.35`	`catalyst`	`I should stop abusing myself like this XD`
`06:18.40`	`catalyst`	`'night`
`06:23.48`	`*** join/#gllug morsing (n=morsing@emil.morsing.cc)`
`06:23.51`	`morsing`	`'morning`
`06:25.39`	`secretlondon`	`morning`
`06:25.52`	`secretlondon`	`you've just missed catalyst who has just gone to bed`
`06:26.01`	`morsing`	`Nice`
`06:26.12`	`secretlondon`	`i'm still awake in the middle of something ;)`
`06:27.02`	`morsing`	`:)`
`06:34.07`	`morsing`	`Cawfy?`
`06:35.37`	`secretlondon`	`nocturnal really`
`06:35.48`	`secretlondon`	`but i should go soon as I'm making mistakes`
`06:37.33`	`morsing`	`Putting holes in footballs?`
`06:38.57`	`secretlondon`	`collating african penguins`
`06:39.11`	`secretlondon`	`http://art.ubuntu.com/main.php?g2_itemId=691`
`06:40.48`	`morsing`	`Cool :)`
`07:19.12`	`secretlondon`	`good night :)`
`07:26.45`	`serris`	`morning all`
`07:28.38`	`*** join/#gllug Gunde (n=spamyous@82.153.170.213)`
`07:29.38`	`serris`	`hi Gunde`
`07:33.26`	`Gunde`	`Good morning (:`
`07:36.27`	`morsing`	`'morning Gunde`
`07:38.47`	`serris`	`Lovely that the clocks got set back`
`07:38.56`	`serris`	`I finished work at 7AM instead of 8`
`07:41.11`	`Gunde`	`you work in night shift?`
`07:41.42`	`serris`	`yep`
`07:42.44`	`Gunde`	`just every now and then, or always?`
`07:42.48`	`serris`	`always`
`07:43.21`	`Gunde`	`Doing what?`
`07:43.26`	`serris`	`At a supermarket`
`07:43.54`	`Gunde`	`That is then one of those 24/7 places?`
`07:45.07`	`serris`	`nope`
`07:45.12`	`serris`	`but we gotta replanish the place by 8AM`
`07:45.18`	`Gunde`	`ah ok`
`07:45.27`	`serris`	`Tonight was fun. Pulled my shoulder`
`07:45.39`	`Gunde`	`If you call that fun...`
`07:45.56`	`serris`	`Well not really bu there isn't really anything I can do aobut it so might as well try to look at it on the bright side`
`07:46.03`	`Gunde`	`At what time do you usually start working?`
`07:46.06`	`serris`	`10PM`
`07:46.10`	`serris`	`so 10 hour shift`
`07:46.11`	`Gunde`	`And what is the bright side about it?`
`07:46.31`	`serris`	`Pretty much`
`07:46.39`	`serris`	`Probably the funny side is how I pulled it`
`07:46.43`	`Gunde`	`(except that you might go on sick leave now)`
`07:46.45`	`serris`	`I was throwing wine bottles around`
`07:47.01`	`serris`	`Sick leave? With a pulled shoulder? lol I wish`
`07:47.24`	`serris`	`Unless you stepped on a land mine and both your legs are missing you don't really get sick leave`
`07:48.01`	`Gunde`	`But if you go on sick leave your salary still gets paid to you for some time here in GB, or not?`
`07:48.38`	`serris`	`Nope`
`07:48.44`	`serris`	`unless you're off longer than 3 days`
`07:48.55`	`serris`	`In which case you have to give a doctors certificate`
`07:49.06`	`serris`	`and even with that they can decide not to pay you if they feel it wasn't a worthy cause to miss work`
`07:49.17`	`serris`	`So you're better off working sick than not getting payed at all for 2 weeks`
`07:49.18`	`Gunde`	`if you are off for less than 3 days your monthly pay gets shortened?`
`07:49.31`	`serris`	`yep`
`07:49.36`	`serris`	`And you get a warning`
`07:50.06`	`Gunde`	`hmm, must be a university deal then to be different, because I got my normal salary after illness.`
`07:50.12`	`Gunde`	`... and no warning.`
`07:50.21`	`serris`	`In a year I've been off twice. Each time for one day. Once cause my teeth root infections came back. The other time I was throwing up for 48 hours`
`07:50.55`	`Gunde`	`morsing: What is the system like in Denmark?`
`07:51.24`	`Gunde`	`What happens if you get ill during your holidays, is that just bad luck for you?`
`07:51.53`	`serris`	`If you get ill during holiday and you can prove that you were at my place, they will rearrange your holidays so you don't lose them`
`07:52.36`	`Gunde`	`but that is not a legal requirement then?`
`07:53.00`	`serris`	`hmm?`
`07:53.39`	`Gunde`	`I must say in that respect I like German laws. If you get sick during holidays the days you lose get "refunded".`
`07:53.55`	`serris`	`that's what I said happens`
`07:54.02`	`serris`	`They give you back those days and you don't lose them.`
`07:54.47`	`Gunde`	`yes, you said it is like that at your place, and I wanted to know whether it is, because you work in a nice place, or because it is a general regulation.`
`07:56.31`	`serris`	`I don't know`
`07:56.34`	`serris`	`I think it's general`
`07:58.06`	`Gunde`	`ok`
`07:58.13`	`serris`	`And this isn't a nice place : )`
`07:58.38`	`Gunde`	`So what are you going to do with that extra hour?`
`07:59.43`	`serris`	`Watch trailers on apple.com unless someone replies to my thread on linuxquestions.org while trying to guide my 12 year old through installing VMWare Server on Edubuntu`
`08:00.43`	`serris`	`Damn my shoulder hurts.`
`08:02.01`	`Gunde`	`Maybe take a hot bath.`
`08:03.10`	`serris`	`I'll fall asleep there`
`08:03.12`	`serris`	`: (`
`08:03.42`	`serris`	`My mate did his shoulder in too. His' been knackered for a week now`
`08:04.10`	`Gunde`	`Ask your son to wake you up after half an hour.`
`08:04.32`	`serris`	`lol that'd work if he wouldn't forget`
`08:05.36`	`Gunde`	`Hmm, there are funny little devices used for tea making. Look like a little penguin with a timer, and after x minutes the beak goes up, and the teabag attached moves out of the mug.`
`08:05.45`	`Gunde`	`You need something like that for the plug.`
`08:06.02`	`serris`	`Yeah although in the UK they don't put plugs in the bathrooms =/`
`08:06.29`	`Gunde`	`http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00008WV6K.03._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V1060260907_.jpg`
`08:07.12`	`serris`	`yeah`
`08:07.17`	`Gunde`	`How do you prevent the water from leaving the tub if you dont have a plug?`
`08:07.25`	`serris`	`oh right that plug`
`08:08.13`	`Gunde`	`Ah, you meant other plugs (:`
`08:08.17`	`serris`	`yep`
`08:08.34`	`Gunde`	`I take it that is due to health and safety regulations?`
`08:08.50`	`serris`	`Probably`
`08:09.06`	`serris`	`Just like how in my parents' house there is meant to be some safety wall when you come in`
`08:09.26`	`Gunde`	`A great disappointment for me was to discover you dont place live candles on your christmas trees.`
`08:09.31`	`serris`	`but it was ugly/annoying so we knocked it right down after the council's regulator left`
`08:10.01`	`serris`	`I don't place burning candels anywhere. My wife puts the smelly ones around the place every so often but I'm not too peachy about it`
`08:11.19`	`Gunde`	`I just looked up "peachy" in the dictionary, but the translation doesn't make sense.`
`08:11.31`	`serris`	`happy, good mood, things like that`
`08:11.36`	`Gunde`	`Would you mind thinking about rephrasing?`
`08:11.39`	`Gunde`	`ok`
`08:11.42`	`Gunde`	`weird`
`08:12.07`	`serris`	`yep`
`08:12.07`	`Gunde`	`the dictionary offers "like a peach" and "fancy"`
`08:12.13`	`serris`	`: )`
`08:13.49`	`Gunde`	`Your first name doesnt look typical British to me.`
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`08:14.14`	`Gunde`	`More baltic`
`08:14.33`	`serris`	`Hungarian`
`08:14.59`	`Gunde`	`Ah ok, completely wrong direction then`
`08:15.46`	`serris`	`:)`
`08:16.42`	`Gunde`	`And you come from Hungary?`
`08:16.46`	`serris`	`Yep`
`08:16.55`	`Gunde`	`When did you move to the UK?`
`08:17.14`	`Gunde`	`(assuming you are in the uk)`
`08:17.35`	`serris`	`9 years ago`
`08:17.55`	`Gunde`	`Was it for job reasons?`
`08:18.12`	`serris`	`nah, other`
`08:18.49`	`Gunde`	`Am I too nosey?`
`08:18.57`	`serris`	`Nope : )`
`08:19.32`	`Gunde`	`So, your son is older than that, does it mean you brought your family over, or was your family the reason for you to come here?`
`08:22.31`	`serris`	`: )`
`08:26.10`	`serris`	`Woohoo I just won 50 quid`
`08:26.29`	`Gunde`	`How that?`
`08:26.48`	`serris`	`I had a bet with me mate from work for 50 quid that Adam Sandler is not in American Pie`
`08:27.17`	`Gunde`	`ibot Adam Sandler`
`08:27.27`	`ibot`	`methinks adam sandler is the most unfunny, overrated, untalented actor in the world`
`08:27.39`	`Gunde`	`hmm, how do you ask the bot to google for something?`
`08:28.18`	`Gunde`	`Never heard of him`
`08:28.25`	`serris`	`http://imdb.com/name/nm0001191/`
`08:30.08`	`Gunde`	`Looking at the German wikipedia article it mentions though that he is going to play a main role in American Pie 4.`
`08:32.50`	`serris`	`Yeah but we betted he was the main guy in American Pie the first. And that he was the one who forenicated the pie. But it was another guy`
`08:36.39`	`trousers`	`Morning`
`08:36.48`	`morsing`	`trousers!`
`08:36.54`	`Gunde`	`morning trousers (:`
`08:36.57`	`trousers`	`morsing!`
`08:37.37`	`serris`	`hi trousers`
`08:37.49`	`trousers`	`morsing: Are you coming on the 11th?`
`08:38.08`	`morsing`	`Possibly not`
`08:38.13`	`morsing`	`:)`
`08:38.18`	`trousers`	`Will I ever meet you D:?`
`08:38.37`	`morsing`	`Possibly not :)`
`08:38.52`	`morsing`	`I do go to gllug social pub meets`
`08:39.05`	`morsing`	`But going all the way into London on a Saturday...`
`08:39.14`	`morsing`	`Hmm...`
`08:39.27`	`trousers`	`morsing: Where do you live?`
`08:39.30`	`serris`	`I sadly have work on friday + saturday, hence I never go`
`08:39.31`	`morsing`	`Hmm...Aylesbury`
`08:39.46`	`trousers`	`Ah`
`08:39.47`	`morsing`	`Also I can't be seen with Mozrat...`
`08:39.55`	`trousers`	`I don't work yet :)`
`08:40.01`	`Gunde`	`serris: But it starts at daytime.`
`08:40.28`	`serris`	`Yep but I'm not going to work after a few beers, being up half of the day and trying to pull a 10 hour shift`
`08:40.44`	`Gunde`	`leaving out the beer is not an option?`
`08:40.49`	`morsing`	`serris: Can you not sleep through your shift?`
`08:40.52`	`trousers`	`Wake up with ProPlus?`
`08:40.59`	`Gunde`	`what is ProPlus?`
`08:41.01`	`serris`	`I wish, morsing`
`08:41.06`	`trousers`	`Caffeine tablets :)`
`08:41.13`	`serris`	`Sometimes I do sleep through breaks and +15 minutes`
`08:41.20`	`morsing`	`serris: Do yuo actually do anything on these "shifts"?`
`08:41.20`	`serris`	`but them my manager(s) aren't happy`
`08:41.23`	`serris`	`and I get kicked`
`08:41.26`	`serris`	`yep`
`08:41.34`	`trousers`	`serris: What do you do?`
`08:41.35`	`serris`	`I made the mistake of working hard when I joined`
`08:41.36`	`Gunde`	`morsing: He hurts himself`
`08:41.39`	`morsing`	`:)`
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`08:42.04`	`serris`	`So now they know I can do the job so they get me to work hard`
`08:42.05`	`trousers`	`serris: As in, what jon?`
`08:42.05`	`serris`	`: (`
`08:42.10`	`serris`	`Sainsbury's`
`08:42.11`	`serris`	`Nightshift`
`08:42.16`	`trousers`	`Ah, right`
`08:42.44`	`trousers`	`Why would there be?`
`08:42.48`	`morsing`	`Who died?`
`08:42.49`	`serris`	`Minimum cases / hour throughout the entire shop is 45. On BWS I can do about 110-120 an hour and 70-80 on pet food`
`08:43.03`	`LeedsTreo`	`11/11`
`08:43.12`	`serris`	`and sadly my managers try to enforce this`
`08:43.15`	`LeedsTreo`	`BWS?`
`08:43.20`	`morsing`	`LeedsTreo: Oh god I hope not... sigh`
`08:43.25`	`serris`	`Beers Wines Spirits`
`08:43.27`	`LeedsTreo`	`ah`
`08:43.41`	`trousers`	`What's so special about 11/11?`
`08:44.04`	`LeedsTreo`	`armistice/remembrance day`
`08:44.08`	`trousers`	`Ah, right`
`08:44.16`	`Gunde`	`hmm, and the beginning of carnival season`
`08:44.29`	`serris`	`brb cigarette break`
`08:45.28`	`LeedsTreo`	`there's a guy I know having a party here that night - I keep joking that he's celebrating the end of WWI`
`09:03.10`	`serris`	`trousers: your laptop still running fine ? : )`
`09:03.17`	`trousers`	`Yup`
`09:03.20`	`serris`	`Sounds good`
`09:03.26`	`trousers`	`serris: Yours working okay?`
`09:03.28`	`serris`	`How was the 2nd day?`
`09:03.32`	`serris`	`Yep indeed`
`09:04.16`	`boudiccas`	`time for table tennis :)`
`09:04.16`	`trousers`	`I just need to get a decent WiFi card - the only thing this shitty USB one can do is scan for networks, so I guess it might be okay if I learn a bit of Perl and sync it up with my watch and go for a bit of warcycling :D`
`09:04.39`	`serris`	`haha`
`09:04.41`	`serris`	`: )`
`09:05.07`	`trousers`	`But a guy I know is giving me an Orinoco based PCMCIA WiFi card free \o/`
`09:05.20`	`serris`	`Me and me mate went war driving from Whitton to Heathrow and back around Hounslow at 2AM. Found I think 300 wifi spots and out of that only about 30 were encrypted and secured`
`09:05.47`	`serris`	`Orinoco are great`
`09:05.49`	`serris`	`I had one of those`
`09:06.04`	`trousers`	`Marvellous, my USB Netgear MA111 is iffy`
`09:06.19`	`trousers`	`I had to ndiswrapper -i the Windows .inf etc.`
`09:06.50`	`serris`	`I don't have wifi at the moment. i didn't really like it. But someone has in my area. 10Mbit blueyonder cable without encryption`
`09:07.01`	`trousers`	`Wait, where do you live?`
`09:07.05`	`serris`	`Hounslow`
`09:07.33`	`trousers`	`Ah, okay, it's just that I leave mine unsecure most of the time as most of the people around here are technically incompetent`
`09:07.35`	`serris`	`I used to have 10Mbit BlueYonder when I lived in Isleworth`
`09:08.00`	`serris`	`In Isleworth most people in my street were over 70`
`09:08.13`	`trousers`	`I still do allegedly, but I think they bumped it down a bit :(`
`09:08.16`	`morsing`	`Moo`
`09:08.17`	`serris`	`There were a few families around so just in a 30 yard stretch there were 3 other wifi networks`
`09:08.45`	`trousers`	`Due to constantly running a (legal legal legal ;)) bittorrent client`
`09:09.12`	`trousers`	`Ahar! My GCSE revision method > all others :P`
`09:09.19`	`serris`	`Well if they're anything like most DSL companies, they'll say "Up to xMbit" meaning you might be getting 512Kbit but potentially you have the capabilities receiving 8Mbit`
`09:09.21`	`trousers`	`http://trousers.ath.cx/wiki/GCSE_Revision`
`09:09.43`	`serris`	`Link doesn't work`
`09:10.01`	`trousers`	`http://trousers.ath.cx/wiki/Gindex.php/CSE_Revision`
`09:10.05`	`trousers`	`http://trousers.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/GCSE_Revision`
`09:10.07`	`trousers`	`There :)`
`09:10.48`	`serris`	`You're actually revising for GCSEs?`
`09:11.09`	`trousers`	`Ish, I've decided myself a list of grades I'll get with/without revision`
`09:11.20`	`trousers`	`And I should be able to get into 6th form without revising :P`
`09:11.34`	`trousers`	`But better safe than sorry`
`09:11.37`	`serris`	`: )`
`09:11.53`	`trousers`	`George told me not to revise`
`09:12.05`	`trousers`	`But I usually prefer to err on the side of caution`
`09:12.41`	`trousers`	`I also need to get A* in maths this year L(`
`09:12.41`	`serris`	`: )`
`09:12.42`	`trousers`	`:(`
`09:12.50`	`trousers`	`I only got an A last year :'(`
`09:13.06`	`serris`	`Better than me. Got Ds 'till GCSEs when I somehow managed to get a C`
`09:13.23`	`trousers`	`Was this a no-revision policy? ;)`
`09:13.47`	`serris`	`Nah, this was a play Counter-Strike 30 hours in a row before exam or get drunk policy`
`09:13.54`	`trousers`	`Hehe`
`09:13.56`	`serris`	`or even better, both`
`09:14.13`	`serris`	`I'm actually tempted to go back to college next year`
`09:14.56`	`serris`	`Depends how things go`
`09:17.52`	`trousers`	`Hmm, Qt in C++ seems a lot simpler to grasp than GTK+`
`09:18.05`	`serris`	`I haven't used either`
`09:18.06`	`trousers`	`I really need to learn C++ properly rather than picking it up as I go, though :P`
`09:18.32`	`serris`	`Yeah`
`09:18.40`	`serris`	`I have the SAMS Teach Your Self C++ book`
`09:18.42`	`serris`	`it's not too bad`
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`09:50.14`	`serris`	`What'cha have for breakfast?`
`09:50.22`	`trousers`	`A chocolate croissant :)`
`09:50.41`	`serris`	`Nice`
`09:50.48`	`serris`	`I had a bunch of Milky Ways`
`09:50.51`	`trousers`	`Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo`
`09:50.59`	`trousers`	`I have loads of DT coursework in for tomorrow :(`
`09:51.36`	`trousers`	`And geography`
`09:52.34`	`serris`	`trousers: have you used Xdialog before?`
`09:53.11`	`trousers`	`Not that I know of`
`09:53.33`	`trousers`	`You ever used Tex? :)`
`09:53.39`	`serris`	`no`
`09:58.39`	`Gunde`	`what is DT?`
`10:15.57`	`keithlard_`	`what up`
`10:51.46`	`wethrin`	`rar`
`10:58.11`	`trousers`	`Gunde: Err, werken, I think it is`
`10:58.55`	`trousers`	`Gunde: It's design technology - basically crap engineering for dummies`
`10:59.27`	`trousers`	`(La)TeX is really, I think I might do some stuff in it`
`10:59.48`	`trousers`	`I really hate it when OpenOffice/Word buggers up all my tables, graphs, alignment etc. >:(`
`10:59.57`	`trousers`	`*really neat`
`11:00.05`	`sabinef72`	`morning all`
`11:01.06`	`trousers`	`Good morning`
`11:01.45`	`keithlard_`	`how do`
`11:06.02`	`Gunde`	`trousers: I would have liked to do that, but instead I was forced to take a class in the equivalent of needlework /-:`
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`11:28.09`	`JAV`	`hello`
`11:29.05`	`Gunde`	`hello`
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`12:00.12`	`mozrat`	`morning`
`12:00.21`	`mozrat`	`or afternoon`
`12:00.24`	`mozrat`	`one or the other`
`12:04.00`	`JAV`	`after the hour change ... afternoon :D`
`12:09.24`	`mozrat`	`heh`
`12:19.02`	`mozrat`	`Freebird!`
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`12:22.42`	`mozrat`	`\m/`
`12:24.56`	`deep-blue`	`frikkin timezones ><`
`12:26.04`	`sabinef72`	`mozrat !`
`12:26.12`	`mozrat`	`hey sabinef72`
`12:26.28`	`deep-blue`	`morning mozrat, sabinef72`
`12:26.33`	`sabinef72`	`hi deep-blue !`
`12:26.54`	`sabinef72`	`mozrat: I'll buy a book about London next week`
`12:27.05`	`mozrat`	`Cool`
`12:27.20`	`sabinef72`	`and I'll see what I would like or not to visit`
`12:28.11`	`deep-blue`	`tottenham court road :D`
`12:28.30`	`sabinef72`	`what is it ?`
`12:28.58`	`deep-blue`	`mecca for people into computers`
`12:28.58`	`merlinn`	`a street full of electronic hardware`
`12:29.14`	`sabinef72`	`are you crazy ?`
`12:29.23`	`deep-blue`	`...yes....:p`
`12:29.24`	`sabinef72`	`I want to see "typical" London`
`12:29.26`	`merlinn`	`it wouldn't be first on my list`
`12:29.40`	`merlinn`	`although tottenham court road is one of the primary shopping streets in the city`
`12:29.56`	`deep-blue`	`typical...hmm....embankment on a weekend, portabello road market by st james`
`12:30.07`	`sabinef72`	`I never went in London, so I only want to see typical London`
`12:30.20`	`merlinn`	`typical london and the interesting parts of london are two different things`
`12:30.28`	`sabinef72`	`arg`
`12:30.31`	`merlinn`	`the best way to get a synopsis is to walk along the thames on your first day`
`12:30.35`	`mozrat`	`yes, I agree. You want to see tourist London, not typical London`
`12:30.47`	`merlinn`	`you go past *`
`12:30.51`	`merlinn`	`and can take a detour`
`12:30.53`	`mozrat`	`typical London is standing with 4,000 other commuters on a stuck train on the central London`
`12:31.02`	`merlinn`	`and having some guy rubbing his blals on your leg`
`12:31.03`	`mozrat`	`with your nose in a businessmans sweaty armpit`
`12:31.07`	`sabinef72`	`mozrat: I would like both !`
`12:31.21`	`mozrat`	`on the central line**`
`12:31.58`	`deep-blue`	`if you like La Defense, you'd like Canary whaft, scept there isnt TOO much there ><`
`12:31.58`	`mozrat`	`afk`
`12:32.40`	`sabinef72`	`nice`
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`12:35.37`	`formi`	`allo!`
`12:36.32`	`mozrat`	`hey formi!!`
`12:36.55`	`formi`	`and me thinking everyone was at mass`
`12:37.24`	`mozrat`	`I'm worshipping Lynyrd Skynynrd right now actually`
`12:37.45`	`andrew___`	`hi formi + mozrat`
`12:37.49`	`mozrat`	`hey andrew___`
`12:38.20`	`formi`	`im thorougly annoyed today`
`12:39.21`	`formi`	`is there anybody with javascript skills`
`12:39.27`	`formi`	`around?`
`12:40.06`	`andrew___`	`depends what you mean by JS skills. I am reluctant JS programmer.`
`12:40.10`	`andrew___`	`What do you want to know?`
`12:41.03`	`formi`	`i use firefox with javascript disabled for almost everything`
`12:41.46`	`formi`	`but in the few occasion i allow it to be used the b*rd seends info about my screen size`
`12:42.18`	`formi`	`i want to find out a way to make that size static`
`12:43.02`	`formi`	`actually it is the "max window size" as shown in http://projectip.com`
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`12:43.57`	`morsing`	`cawfy`
`12:44.18`	`morsing`	`andrew___: Why am I tired?`
`12:47.04`	`andrew___`	`I can't see window size on projectip.com`
`12:47.38`	`formi`	`do you have javascript on?`
`12:52.43`	`andrew___`	`Ah - I have NoScript which means I don't have JS on for most websites`
`12:54.09`	`formi`	`I use it as well`
`12:54.30`	`andrew___`	`Tempororarily put it on and see what you mean.`
`12:54.36`	`andrew___`	`Off to have lunch now ...`
`13:11.49`	`deep-blue`	`hmmk, ima try to install gentoo ><`
`13:11.51`	`deep-blue`	`bbl guys`
`13:14.20`	`antiphase`	`See ya next week ;)`
`13:15.13`	`sabinef72`	`good sunday antiphase`
`13:18.37`	`antiphase`	`Bon dimanche or whtever you say over there`
`13:23.24`	`sabinef72`	`"bon dimanche" is perfect`
`13:28.25`	`antiphase`	`I'm going to have to go and pollute myself by visiting PC World`
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`13:37.29`	`sabinef72`	`is it a shop ?`
`13:37.45`	`Gunde`	`Yes, it is a shop`
`13:38.14`	`Leeds`	`the most mass market of mass market computer shops`
`13:38.22`	`sabinef72`	`oh oh he shouldn't go ... otherwise he'll buy some geek machines !`
`13:38.34`	`Gunde`	`He could order online instead`
`13:39.03`	`sabinef72`	`my god`
`13:39.13`	`Leeds`	`you can't buy geek machines at PC world unless you try really hard, and the only reason - the only reason - to visit PC World is instant gratification`
`13:39.50`	`sabinef72`	`instant gratification ? what is it ?`
`13:40.18`	`Leeds`	`getting what you want immediately`
`13:40.34`	`Leeds`	`rather than, for example, ordering online and waiting a couple of days for something to arrive`
`13:42.12`	`sabinef72`	`but it's heaven to spend a lot of money`
`13:42.12`	`Leeds`	`not at PC World it isn't`
`13:42.13`	`sabinef72`	`lol`
`13:42.13`	`sabinef72`	`it's PC World with a little *`
`13:42.13`	`sabinef72`	`and * means : come and spend money !`
`13:42.22`	`Leeds`	`it's expensive, but they have a half-decent range (particularly in stores - I don't think it's all of them - with the component centre) and long hours`
`13:43.41`	`Gunde`	`So is going to PCW some kind of therapy analogue to women buying shoes?`
`13:44.29`	`Leeds`	`nope`
`13:45.18`	`Gunde`	`(I wouldn't know, I do neither)`
`13:46.20`	`Gunde`	`Leeds: You have recovered from your non-date now?`
`13:48.00`	`Leeds`	`sure - it wasn't that bad :-)`
`13:49.25`	`morsing`	`Leeds!`
`13:49.41`	`Leeds`	`Hong Kong is a great place for shopping... lots and lots of big brands, lots of cheap markets, lots of dedicated computer shopping centers...`
`13:50.53`	`sabinef72`	`Gunde: loooool`
`13:51.14`	`sabinef72`	`Leeds: I agree`
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`13:52.31`	`morsing`	`Jasperw!`
`13:52.36`	`morsing`	`sabinef72!`
`13:52.36`	`Leeds`	`the impressive thing is being able to make cheapskates, brand-hunters and geeky blokes happy :-)`
`14:01.06`	`morsing`	`h`
`14:02.29`	`Gunde`	`morsing: another random thing to say?`
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`15:04.05`	`deep-blue`	`everyone dead in here?`
`15:04.44`	`antiphase`	`Not quite`
`15:05.04`	`deep-blue`	`lol fair dues`
`15:05.20`	`antiphase`	`How's Genpoo?`
`15:05.24`	`deep-blue`	`exactly that`
`15:05.26`	`deep-blue`	`poo`
`15:05.30`	`deep-blue`	`it crashed twice`
`15:05.32`	`deep-blue`	`I gave up ><`
`15:05.41`	`antiphase`	`Heh. It takes a bit of getting useful`
`15:05.49`	`deep-blue`	`aye`
`15:05.49`	`antiphase`	`used to, but either way`
`15:05.57`	`deep-blue`	`I was cheating tho, using the live cd with its nice gui installer`
`15:06.25`	`Leeds`	`blah`
`15:06.33`	`antiphase`	`I'd be inclined to use the minimal installer, but it's a prerequisite to have another computer with a web browser showing the HOWTO at the same time`
`15:06.46`	`deep-blue`	`lol that I have :p`
`15:07.35`	`deep-blue`	`now both ubuntu 6.06 and 6.10 are locking up on install`
`15:07.43`	`deep-blue`	`fuckin POS thinkpad`
`15:07.50`	`antiphase`	`It sounds like you have hardware problems tbh`
`15:08.10`	`deep-blue`	`yea, im running a memtest loop, followed by yet another WD drive tester`
`15:08.34`	`deep-blue`	`then if that all passes, I have the most strenuous test for last....`
`15:08.36`	`deep-blue`	`and install of xp`
`15:08.53`	`antiphase`	`I'd probably try noacpi or some of the other kernel options`
`15:09.08`	`deep-blue`	`tried that, as well as safe graphics`
`15:09.26`	`deep-blue`	`funny thing is, it handled a debian install, but I had issues configuring the lcd`
`15:09.41`	`deep-blue`	`finally found a dude on google who had an xf86config for a T21`
`15:09.54`	`deep-blue`	`but it still wouldn't go higher than 800x600`
`15:10.04`	`antiphase`	`What gfx chip has it got?`
`15:10.10`	`deep-blue`	`S3Savage 4`
`15:10.26`	`deep-blue`	`ive tried "vesa" and "savage" as the 2 different drivers`
`15:10.29`	`deep-blue`	`same results with both`
`15:11.09`	`antiphase`	`gentoo-nofb :)`
`15:11.16`	`deep-blue`	`tried that too`
`15:11.31`	`antiphase`	`Chuck it away and pimp yourself to PC World`
`15:11.43`	`deep-blue`	`nah, (fl)ebay is cheaper`
`15:11.54`	`deep-blue`	`and I wont feel so....corrupted....violated etc`
`15:11.57`	`antiphase`	`r`
`15:12.20`	`deep-blue`	`I manage a small independent retail/repair shop`
`15:12.59`	`deep-blue`	`and dude, you saw the pic right, I have too many laptops as it is :p`
`15:13.58`	`deep-blue`	`pah only thing that HAS worked, was SLED, but that's downright slow`
`15:14.21`	`antiphase`	`You almost certainly need gentoo compiled with -funroll-all-loops`
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`15:17.02`	`deep-blue`	`fekkin POS pc ><`
`15:17.29`	`antiphase`	`Remind me not to patronise your repair shop ;)`
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`15:53.51`	`mozrat`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:55.10`	`catalyst`	`/sbin/mzrt :)`
`15:57.16`	`mozrat`	`:-)`
`17:08.31`	`morsing`	`catalyst!`
`17:20.22`	`andrew___`	`hi there`
`17:24.05`	`morsing`	`Hi`
`17:24.23`	`catalyst`	`aloha :)`
`17:25.33`	`catalyst`	`mmm, Naan bread`
`17:27.01`	`morsing`	`Yuck`
`17:28.36`	`catalyst`	`boo`
`17:28.38`	`catalyst`	`tasty!`
`17:39.24`	`morsing`	`How is it tasty?!`
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`17:44.16`	`morsing`	`deep-blue`
`17:44.17`	`morsing`	`!`
`17:44.23`	`deep-blue`	`hey morsing`
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`18:54.58`	`morsing`	`Wings`
`19:57.58`	`morsing`	`Check it!`
`20:01.01`	`serris`	`hi morsing`
`20:08.49`	`morsing`	`serris!`
`20:10.46`	`sabinef72`	`we changed again hour in France`
`20:10.52`	`sabinef72`	`what time is it now in London ?`
`20:11.39`	`wethrin`	`20:1`
`20:11.41`	`wethrin`	`1`
`20:11.50`	`wethrin`	`Well, that's in Durham, anyway`
`20:11.59`	`sabinef72`	`I don't understand`
`20:12.09`	`wethrin`	`It's currently 20:12 here`
`20:12.38`	`sabinef72`	`well it's 21 : 12`
`20:13.04`	`sabinef72`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:13.11`	`sabinef72`	`I was 2 in this case`
`20:13.22`	`sabinef72`	`did you change hour too in England ?`
`20:13.26`	`wethrin`	`We have 1 hour difference`
`20:13.28`	`wethrin`	`Yeah`
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`20:14.12`	`sabinef72`	`wethrin: but we changed the hour this week end`
`20:16.44`	`morsing`	`wethrin! sabinef72!`
`20:17.03`	`morsing`	`sabinef72: wethrin is in Scotland. Different timezone`
`20:17.29`	`sabinef72`	`how can I know that Durham is in Scotland wethrin !!!!!!!!`
`20:17.37`	`sabinef72`	`morsing: so what time is it now in London ?`
`20:17.42`	`morsing`	`23:11`
`20:18.32`	`wethrin`	`sabinef72: Same here`
`20:18.35`	`wethrin`	`morsing: I'm not in Scotland!`
`20:19.06`	`sabinef72`	`MORSING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`20:19.23`	`sabinef72`	`sorry wethrin`
`20:19.29`	`wethrin`	`heh`
`20:19.43`	`morsing`	`:D`
`20:19.46`	`sabinef72`	`morsing loves to make me upset`
`20:20.07`	`morsing`	`Don't be upset :(`
`20:20.29`	`sabinef72`	`I'll make me mad one day`
`20:20.31`	`sabinef72`	`ahah`
`20:20.42`	`sabinef72`	`wethrin: where is Durham ?`
`20:20.57`	`wethrin`	`sabinef72: Near Newcastle`
`20:21.30`	`morsing`	`http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=durham,+england&ie=UTF8&z=7&ll=54.77995,-1.559629&spn=3.047616,11.074219&om=1`
`20:22.32`	`sabinef72`	`waouh it's far from London`
`20:22.38`	`wethrin`	`3h by train`
`20:23.04`	`sabinef72`	`ah not so long`
`20:27.24`	`sabinef72`	`and you morsing ? are you far away from london ?`
`20:35.58`	`rhowe`	`morsing's in his own little world :P`
`20:42.07`	`morsing`	`rhowe: Why are you ignoring me?`
`20:43.43`	`morsing`	`sabinef72: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=HP19+8JE&ie=UTF8&om=1&z=9&ll=51.645294,-0.346069&spn=0.819772,2.768555&iwloc=addr`
`20:47.19`	`rhowe`	`morsing: Because I'm dying`
`20:48.56`	`wethrin`	`rhowe: LORDI!`
`20:49.10`	`rhowe`	`wethrin: Indeed!`
`20:49.23`	`wethrin`	`HARD! ROCK! HALLELUJAH!`
`20:49.48`	`morsing`	`Moo`
`20:50.07`	`wethrin`	`morsing: Why aren't you coming?`
`20:50.15`	`wethrin`	`Rather, why didn't you ask for a ticket?`
`20:50.27`	`wethrin`	`rhowe: Who's your mystery guest for the evening?`
`20:51.06`	`rhowe`	`wethrin: Jia and Matt`
`20:51.10`	`rhowe`	`wethrin: I have 3 tickets, right?`
`20:51.34`	`wethrin`	`Yes`
`20:51.53`	`wethrin`	`You*3, EvilDave, me, Javier Ojeros`
`20:55.49`	`rhowe`	`OK`
`20:56.05`	`wethrin`	`Hopefully Javier will be there!`
`20:56.16`	`rhowe`	`Then I'm bringing Jia and Matt ( http://siksai.co.uk/~rhowe/matt_floor.jpg )`
`20:58.34`	`morsing`	`wethrin: Where?!?`
`20:58.47`	`wethrin`	`morsing: Tuesday! Kentish Town somewhere!`
`20:59.00`	`morsing`	`Hmm... Wasn't invited`
`20:59.19`	`wethrin`	`Yes you were!`
`20:59.25`	`wethrin`	`It was on the Social list!`
`21:07.35`	`morsing`	`Was it?`
`21:13.05`	`wethrin`	`Yes`
`21:13.07`	`wethrin`	`Back in August`
`21:14.27`	`morsing`	`Nice`
`21:14.41`	`wethrin`	`Yeah`
`21:14.47`	`morsing`	`Well done`
`21:14.50`	`morsing`	`sabinef72?`
`21:14.58`	`sabinef72`	`yes ?`
`21:15.01`	`morsing`	`:)`
`21:15.09`	`trousers`	`Evenin' all`
`21:15.14`	`trousers`	`School tomorrow :(`
`21:15.16`	`sabinef72`	`what ?`
`21:15.23`	`morsing`	`I just missed you. Didn't know where you'd gone... :)`
`21:15.33`	`sabinef72`	`I was eating !`
`21:15.40`	`morsing`	`:(`
`21:15.55`	`trousers`	`I've been palying around with LaTeX, and I like it :)`
`21:16.13`	`sabinef72`	`missed me ? how is it possible !`
`21:16.16`	`wethrin`	`LaTeX rocks`
`21:16.35`	`morsing`	`sabinef72? Why?`
`21:16.41`	`morsing`	`LaTeX is superb!`
`21:16.43`	`trousers`	`wethrin: Indeed, I've started doing my coursework etc. in it - I like the style + control it offers`
`21:16.55`	`trousers`	`And it looks professional`
`21:16.59`	`sabinef72`	`morsing: why not !`
`21:17.05`	`trousers`	`And handles formuale fantastically`
`21:17.20`	`wethrin`	`Yes. Soon you'll get frustrated when it doesn't lay things out quite how you want`
`21:17.25`	`wethrin`	`And then you're into the really fun stuff`
`21:17.40`	`trousers`	`wethrin: Is there any way to adjust the rather large left margin?`
`21:18.02`	`wethrin`	`\usepackage{a4wide}`
`21:18.32`	`trousers`	`Cheers!`
`21:18.55`	`trousers`	`wethrin: Is there any big repository of commands/Little O'Reilly lookup books? :P`
`21:19.04`	`wethrin`	`Get a copy of the LaTeX companion (2nd edition)`
`21:19.10`	`trousers`	`wethrin: Cheers`
`21:19.15`	`wethrin`	`No O'Reilly books`
`21:19.17`	`wethrin`	`:)`
`21:19.25`	`trousers`	`sabinef72: Oo err`
`21:19.39`	`wethrin`	`LaTeX Companion / Goosens, Mittelbach et al.`
`21:19.41`	`sabinef72`	`trousers: what ?`
`21:20.57`	`trousers`	`wethrin: I've set up a little makefile to do stuff with it :P It runs text editor, then as soon as that quits it pdflatex's and displays the PDF :D`
`21:21.14`	`wethrin`	`Use emacs`
`21:21.21`	`trousers`	`wethrin: I use nano :(`
`21:21.34`	`wethrin`	`C-c C-f to compile, C-c C-v to fire up the dvi viewer`
`21:21.43`	`wethrin`	`Which you need to set in some option somwhere`
`21:21.46`	`trousers`	`wethrin: Oooh, tests`
`21:22.06`	`morsing`	`G'night all.`
`21:22.09`	`wethrin`	`nn morsing`
`21:22.14`	`trousers`	`I've never really used emacs for anything more than a simple text editor`
`21:22.16`	`trousers`	`morsing: G'night`
`21:22.32`	`trousers`	`morsing: Are you two in some kind of relationship? :S`
`21:22.35`	`sabinef72`	`morsing: already ?`
`21:22.49`	`wethrin`	`trousers: emacs is rubbish for a simple text editor`
`21:22.55`	`morsing`	`sabinef72: Yup, no more summer time`
`21:22.59`	`sabinef72`	`good night morsing`
`21:23.03`	`morsing`	`trousers: I don't think so?!`
`21:23.06`	`sabinef72`	`it's onlyu 22 : 23`
`21:23.07`	`morsing`	`:)`
`21:23.16`	`trousers`	`sabinef72: 21:23`
`21:23.22`	`trousers`	`morsing: Okay :P`
`21:23.37`	`sabinef72`	`ah yes 21 : 23 in England !`
`21:24.20`	`trousers`	`AGH`
`21:24.33`	`trousers`	`wethrin: What do you do if emacs can't display any characters?`
`21:25.03`	`wethrin`	`trousers: I can't remember the magic to tell it to use xdvi`
`21:25.07`	`wethrin`	`trousers: Errr?`
`21:26.01`	`trousers`	`wethrin: What's the print screen command? :(`
`21:26.06`	`trousers`	`Well, program`
`21:26.29`	`trousers`	`Never mind, found it`
`21:27.22`	`wethrin`	`Err`
`21:30.21`	`trousers`	`wethrin: http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/879/emacsfc4.png`
`21:30.45`	`wethrin`	`oh dear`
`21:30.51`	`wethrin`	`Character set issues?`
`21:31.02`	`wethrin`	`Prod mule? (one of the menu options)`
`21:31.04`	`trousers`	`What character set does it use?`
`21:31.16`	`wethrin`	`No idea`
`21:32.25`	`trousers`	`wethrin: Where is prod mule?`
`21:34.33`	`trousers`	`You can ignore my IRC channels :P`
`21:35.01`	`trousers`	`It's a trivia room!`
`21:37.19`	`wethrin`	`No, prod MULE`
`21:37.31`	`wethrin`	`lemme find out`
`21:38.16`	`wethrin`	`Options->MULE`
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`22:03.47`	`secretlondon`	`morning cough`
`22:05.02`	`wethrin`	`evening, miss`
`22:07.29`	`secretlondon`	`i seem to have been up til 7am or so - I blame ubuntu`
`22:07.53`	`antiphase`	`pebkac`
`22:09.32`	`wethrin`	`oops`
`22:09.39`	`wethrin`	`Just woke up?`
`22:09.41`	`secretlondon`	`uhuh`
`22:09.46`	`wethrin`	`tut`
`22:09.51`	`wethrin`	`Damn students :-P`
`22:09.54`	`secretlondon`	`indeed`
`22:09.59`	`secretlondon`	`i lose massively`
`22:11.33`	`wethrin`	`yes. You miss tea`
`22:12.01`	`secretlondon`	`cool - someone is offering 5 sun sparc 20 workstations`
`22:12.14`	`wethrin`	`They're....okay`
`22:12.17`	`wethrin`	`Only 32-bit Sparc, though`
`22:12.40`	`wethrin`	`Not bad for NetBSD or OpenBSD, though`
`22:12.42`	`antiphase`	`Heavy doorstops`
`22:12.51`	`wethrin`	`You can make them up to quad CPU`
`22:17.34`	`secretlondon`	`so I couldn't stick say debian on them you reckon?`
`22:20.25`	`secretlondon`	`ooh cosy`
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`22:22.29`	`secretlondon`	`wb`
`22:22.29`	`wethrin`	`splitters!`
`22:22.30`	`secretlondon`	`indeed`
`22:22.30`	`secretlondon`	`we kept ibot and lard`
`22:22.30`	`wethrin`	`I got trousers !`
`22:22.30`	`secretlondon`	`could i stick debian on them was my question before we split`
`22:23.02`	`trousers`	`Sorry, I wasn't watching :P`
`22:23.15`	`wethrin`	`secretlondon: Probably. If Debian/Sparc is still maintained`
`22:23.16`	`trousers`	`It's iffy for some software support :(`
`22:23.18`	`wethrin`	`(rather than Sparc64)`
`22:23.28`	`trousers`	`wethrin: How do I get Skype working on amd64?`
`22:23.58`	`wethrin`	`No idea. Never used Skype.`
`22:24.22`	`mozrat`	`Skype == evil`
`22:24.45`	`trousers`	`mozrat: Why?`
`22:24.55`	`secretlondon`	`i think i want one anyway - but do i want five!`
`22:25.21`	`trousers`	`secretlondon: I'll take one off you :P`
`22:25.30`	`mozrat`	`trousers: Because it is killing the chances of public VoIP networks - we already have good(ish) protocols for voice and Skype is cornering the consumer VoIP market`
`22:25.31`	`wethrin`	`secretlondon: Pass the unwanted ones on`
`22:25.33`	`mozrat`	`use SIP instead`
`22:25.37`	`mozrat`	`so we can all talk to you :-)`
`22:25.44`	`wethrin`	`secretlondon: You could take the processor out of one of them and put it into another`
`22:25.48`	`trousers`	`SIP?`
`22:26.15`	`mozrat`	`Session Initiated Protocol... check Sipgate.co.uk or install Ekiga and get a free account there`
`22:26.37`	`trousers`	`What is so much better about SIP then?`
`22:26.43`	`mozrat`	`Plus, Skype is non-free and Linux support os apparently woeful`
`22:26.48`	`mozrat`	`s/os/is/`
`22:27.00`	`secretlondon`	`i've said i'll take - i'll split the booty later`
`22:27.12`	`wethrin`	`good plan`
`22:27.13`	`trousers`	`secretlondon: This is free, correct? :P`
`22:27.16`	`wethrin`	`They're quite solid boxes`
`22:27.43`	`secretlondon`	`trousers; yes`
`22:27.48`	`trousers`	`Wow!`
`22:27.54`	`secretlondon`	`i'll need to get a minicab to hackney to get`
`22:28.02`	`trousers`	`Less than three :P`
`22:28.04`	`wethrin`	`Train there, and cab back`
`22:28.42`	`secretlondon`	`they don't all work and come with random bits - so i dunno how many machines will get out of`
`22:29.18`	`trousers`	`secretlondon: I don't care, I just like free hardware to carress`
`22:29.23`	`trousers`	`s/carress/play with/`
`22:29.24`	`secretlondon`	`mmm`
`22:32.26`	`secretlondon`	`he has 1 sun monitor too - i've said yes to all`
`22:32.49`	`secretlondon`	`can one ever have too much hardware?`
`22:33.33`	`wethrin`	`secretlondon: Yes. If it doesn't fit.`
`22:33.47`	`secretlondon`	`true - but I only have hardware in one room so far`
`22:33.49`	`rhowe`	`secretlondon: Yes, yes one can`
`22:33.55`	`wethrin`	`secretlondon: That's okay, then`
`22:34.03`	`wethrin`	`Oh, Sun Monitors are stupidly heavy`
`22:34.12`	`secretlondon`	`but i presume i'll need one`
`22:34.15`	`wethrin`	`But if you need a monitor cable, I can get you one (13W3)`
`22:34.19`	`wethrin`	`Nah. Serial consoles`
`22:34.32`	`wethrin`	`They're the way to go`
`22:36.21`	`wethrin`	`I may have a spare one at home if you want`
`22:36.37`	`secretlondon`	`i'll see if/when he replies`
`22:39.11`	`trousers`	`wethrin: What does a serial console look like?`
`22:40.10`	`hali`	`google for dec vt100 :)`
`22:40.39`	`hali`	`the vt520 is pretty common too`
`22:43.20`	`rhowe`	`We have a 320 I think`
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`22:54.34`	`wethrin_`	`Blah`
`22:54.39`	`wethrin_`	`uk6x--`
`22:56.10`	`sabinef72`	`good night all`
`22:57.09`	`secretlondon`	`night sabinef72`
`22:57.16`	`wethrin_`	`trousers: Did oyu get my answer about a serial console?`
`23:07.33`	`secretlondon`	`debian for sparcs does support the sparcstation 20s - but i'd need to compile the kernel (eek!) to get smp`
`23:10.02`	`wethrin`	`That's easy to do`
`23:10.26`	`wethrin`	`NetBSD will do it out of the box`
`23:10.35`	`secretlondon`	`i've never played with a *bsd`
`23:10.55`	`secretlondon`	`but it's all good stuff to learn`
`23:16.07`	`wethrin`	`Indeed`
`23:16.38`	`wethrin`	`Open will work really well. Although probably not in SMP mode`
`23:19.22`	`secretlondon`	`i may use it as a firewall - in that case openbsd seems to be the best at being a hard security bastard`
`23:27.27`	`wethrin`	`You'll need a second network card in it`
`23:27.41`	`wethrin`	`Specifically an sbus card`
`23:29.13`	`secretlondon`	`right.`
`23:30.26`	`wethrin`	`Which I don't currently have spare. There may be some in your pile of Suns. But there always is an on-board card`
`23:30.50`	`secretlondon`	`i'l see what on earth it is i get - and then see what can be made from them all`
`23:31.18`	`wethrin`	`good plan`
`23:31.47`	`wethrin`	`nothing wrong with that`
`23:33.22`	`wethrin`	`free hardware is good`
`23:34.55`	`mozrat`	`can someone please proofread http://gllug.org.uk//uploads/Meetings/11thNov06/11_November_student_flyer.pdf`
`23:35.16`	`mozrat`	`I would like to make one meeting announcement this year without a typo or important detail missing :-)`
`23:36.03`	`wethrin`	`looking`
`23:36.21`	`mozrat`	`secretlondon: are you a student?`
`23:36.29`	`mozrat`	`trousers: ping`
`23:37.40`	`wethrin`	`mozrat: Give a postcode for w'min`
`23:38.48`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: yarr`
`23:39.20`	`wethrin`	`No noticable spelling or grammar problems`
`23:39.37`	`mozrat`	`ta`
`23:39.45`	`secretlondon`	`mozrat: I'm an fe student`
`23:40.05`	`secretlondon`	`mozrat: adult education -lewisham college`
`23:41.46`	`secretlondon`	`we have no noticable students union but we do have notice boards - I could add a few flyers but i don't know how long they'll last`
`23:41.53`	`mozrat`	`secretlondon: could you pimp the meeting?`
`23:42.02`	`mozrat`	`Doesn't matter if they don't last really`
`23:42.04`	`secretlondon`	`mozrat: i can try!`
`23:42.27`	`mozrat`	`I need to build a network of university IT dudes and dudesses`
`23:42.34`	`mozrat`	`secretlondon: ta!`
`23:43.58`	`wethrin`	`mozrat: See if the Pearson Society still exists at UCL`
`23:44.26`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: the whatnow?`
`23:45.02`	`wethrin`	`That used to be the name of their computer science society`
`23:45.02`	`secretlondon`	`pearson building is/was comp sci at ucl`
`23:45.16`	`wethrin`	`I have no contacts there, though`
`23:45.17`	`mozrat`	`cool`
`23:45.23`	`wethrin`	`rar. I went there a few years ago`
`23:45.29`	`wethrin`	`The'yve moved to a new building`
`23:45.54`	`secretlondon`	`yeah - that whole area round the tube station has been redevloped i think`
`23:46.12`	`wethrin`	`Yeah`
`23:46.20`	`wethrin`	`The new hospital being the main one`
`23:46.27`	`wethrin`	`Have they finished the tube station yet?`
`23:46.28`	`secretlondon`	`the ex MI5 building is now medical, UCLH casulty has moved etc`
`23:46.36`	`secretlondon`	`don't think so`
`23:49.02`	`wethrin`	`hum`
`23:55.30`	`wethrin`	`sigh. Fileserver--`

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