00:17.13 | z00dax | someone ping'edth ? |
00:18.47 | z00dax | win48 |
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01:28.01 | wethrin | GNAHH |
01:56.30 | Leeds | ugh |
01:56.49 | wethrin | morning |
01:57.09 | Leeds | uhhh? |
01:57.21 | z00dax | morning |
01:57.28 | wethrin | It's morning! |
01:57.53 | z00dax | it is indeed |
01:57.58 | Leeds | only a little over 4 hours since the alarm, as well :-( |
01:58.30 | wethrin | bah |
01:58.38 | z00dax | what would be a fair price to pay for a 8port gigabit switch for homeuse ? |
01:58.48 | Leeds | and it wasn't like I was having an early/long night before that |
01:58.52 | z00dax | homeuse in that i dont need vlan support, although jumbo frame capability be nice |
01:59.08 | Leeds | z00dax: I'd start thinking/looking around 50 quid, I think... |
01:59.35 | Leeds | but I could be *completely* off |
02:00.18 | z00dax | i think you are right, dlink / netgear / linksys all have 8port stuf for about 50 - 60 quid |
02:00.39 | z00dax | another question, is it even worth looking at thinking about anything lesser than a gigabit switch |
02:01.05 | z00dax | i know 100mb switches are a lot cheaper... but then all my machines, even the laptops all have gbe-net now |
02:02.10 | Leeds | guessing that a D-Link DGS-1008D listed as a gigabit switch is an 8-port, I see it for HK$580 - £39 |
02:02.39 | z00dax | on a lighter note http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wear/6132140.stm |
02:03.35 | z00dax | DGS-1008D is about £70 here |
02:03.39 | Leeds | oh, that... been going around for a day or two now :-) |
02:03.44 | Leeds | wow, twice as much? |
02:03.53 | Leeds | that is an 8-port gigabit switch then, I assume |
02:04.00 | z00dax | yea |
02:04.03 | Leeds | well, nearly twice |
02:04.53 | Leeds | for what it's worth, that's a price from a site showing more like indicitive prices, rather than an actual shop - could be slightly less or more |
02:05.01 | z00dax | the netgear gs108 is about £58 and does jumbo frames too |
02:05.20 | z00dax | is there any means to get stuff from .hk to .uk ? |
02:06.33 | Leeds | no gs108 listed on that site - doesn't mean it's not available... it's www.hkgolden.com, for what it's worth, and it requires a little Chinese guesswork to navigate |
02:07.03 | Leeds | there is means - if nothing else, I can buy stuff and ship it - but there would be shipping costs and, potentially, the demon VAT |
02:07.21 | z00dax | you need to chat up more airhostess' |
02:07.24 | Leeds | no sales tax here - although the government would like to bring one in :-) |
02:07.50 | Leeds | hmm.. that shouldn't have been a :-) |
02:08.06 | Leeds | yes, on general principles, I need to chat up more air hostesses |
02:08.59 | Leeds | for something small, there are enough people travelling back and forth between here and the UK that you can generally get something carried - or you can post relatively cheaply - but for something large like that I'd be thinking more of DHL/Fedex/etc. |
02:09.28 | z00dax | true, thanks for the offer, but it would be too much of an effort on your part. |
02:09.46 | Leeds | nah, I'd be *happy* to split the difference on price :-) |
02:09.56 | z00dax | I'll actually find out where the Virgin Atlantic crew put up at when they are in .hk |
02:10.32 | Leeds | dunno about VA, but there seem to be a few cabin staff living or staying around here - I've seen them in the street a few times |
02:10.44 | Leeds | I could probably find out about the VA staff, as it happens |
02:10.44 | z00dax | although, the girl i know who flies with Virgin only does the .hk trip once every 6 months, but they have regular crew who do the trip twice a month |
02:11.15 | Leeds | the shipping itself wouldn't be such a big deal without the bloody VAT |
02:12.00 | z00dax | I'll have a poke around the tcr compute fair later today, if there is no deal to be had there, i might well take you up on the offer |
02:12.06 | Leeds | I don't like VAT. |
02:12.08 | z00dax | whats the power adapter sitation like ? |
02:12.12 | z00dax | I dont like tax |
02:12.34 | z00dax | although, now that i have permanent residence stamp from the home office, i am down to paying the same tax that everyone else does. |
02:12.36 | Leeds | HK has 240V, 3-flat-pin plugs - UK standard... ex-empire, dontcha know :-) |
02:13.03 | z00dax | true that, and ex- only recently. |
02:13.12 | Leeds | indeed |
02:14.16 | Leeds | it is nice to think that here, the government does *not* actually get a cut of *every* transaction in the marketplace - they get duty on booze/fags/etc. AFAIK, but they, until this year at least, have not attempted to distort the market like that |
02:15.28 | z00dax | is there excise ? or a production tax or something ? |
02:17.01 | Leeds | there is income tax, companies tax, and direct taxes/duties/whatever on things like cars, gambling, etc. - but the majority of government funding comes from the fact that the government owns all the land in HK and holds a few auctions a year for long-term leases for development |
02:18.06 | Leeds | income tax is pretty low - but it's funny hearing people from real low-tax places like the Isle of Man complaining about it - and of course Yanks are potentially double-taxed, as one of the few countries which taxes its citizens on income earned abroad |
02:18.53 | Leeds | most countries say "if you earn income abroad and pay tax on it there, we don't want to know" - the US says "if you earn more than $80000 [I think] anywhere, we want some cash from you" |
02:20.31 | Leeds | something like half the population here pays no income tax at all due to generous allowances... |
02:21.06 | Leeds | there's also the odd situation of the HKD being backed directly by USD held by the HK government, so they have *enormous* amounts of cash in the bank |
02:21.33 | z00dax | I was just reading about the chinesse forex holding issue.. |
02:22.33 | Leeds | http://english.people.com.cn/200605/03/eng20060503_262762.html - that's a report on HK's tax revenues last year |
02:23.23 | z00dax | 19billion isnt bad for area thats just a bit bigger than Gibralter |
02:23.50 | Leeds | uh, it's quite a lot bigger than Gib - gib has about 30k residents, HK has 7 million |
02:24.06 | z00dax | even in area ? |
02:24.13 | z00dax | i thought hk was 4 times or something |
02:24.22 | Leeds | sure... HK is about 1000km^2, while gib is about 2 |
02:24.40 | z00dax | right, change in idea |
02:24.45 | Leeds | well, maybe not 2... wikipedia says 6.5 |
02:24.50 | z00dax | 1000 sq km is a massive area |
02:25.23 | Leeds | not that huge, really |
02:26.15 | Leeds | HK's per capita GDP is US$33500, Gib's is US$27900 - certainly in the same class |
02:27.06 | Leeds | for reference, the UK is US$30436 - yes, HK has a higher nominal GDP (measured with PPP) than the UK |
02:28.01 | z00dax | if asked directly, i would never have guessed it. |
02:28.04 | z00dax | honestly |
02:29.12 | Leeds | I did say nominal for a reason - while the standard of living here is pretty high, a *huge* amount of that GDP is either concentrated in the high-powered banking/services sector, employing a lot of western expats, and a lot of it comes from trans-shipment, which does put money into the economy, but doesn't involve producing anything |
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02:32.24 | z00dax | catalyst: |
02:32.34 | catalyst | z00dax :) |
02:32.55 | Leeds | catalyst^ |
02:33.12 | catalyst | Leeds$ |
02:34.00 | Leeds | z00dax: did you note the bit about dependent grandparents and parents in that article - my grandfather (who only got rid of his Rolls when the Germans bought the company) was quite amused when I told him... the Chinese are very family-oriented |
02:34.38 | z00dax | i did find that a bit stange... |
02:34.42 | z00dax | strange even |
02:34.55 | z00dax | does hk have some form of social security / state pension ? I would guess not |
02:35.04 | z00dax | specially if they offer such tax relief |
02:35.05 | Leeds | very little |
02:35.24 | z00dax | so its essentially, either your kids sort of support you - or you live off your savings. |
02:35.28 | Leeds | my phone is reminding me that I should go in the shower if I'm going to meet my cousin in an hour for lunch |
02:36.11 | Leeds | yes, but all employees have to (I think) pay into the mandatory providence fund (or some such) along with their employers - it's a mandatory private pension, AIUI |
02:37.47 | Leeds | I, ahem, intend to pull out the money I put into mine last year to fund my hedonism this year |
02:38.28 | z00dax | cool! |
02:38.36 | z00dax | I have a pf going from my working in India days |
02:38.43 | z00dax | I also have a pf account in Australia |
02:38.49 | z00dax | and a social security account in the US |
02:38.55 | z00dax | and now, a NI account in the UK |
02:39.05 | z00dax | would be quite cool, if I could get all that money back! |
02:39.31 | Leeds | I think I can only get back what I put in, not what my employer put in - that's going to stay, somewhere |
02:39.52 | Leeds | I've got NI in the UK, for whatever that'll be worth in 30+ years, and two private pensions from two jobs |
02:39.58 | z00dax | cool |
02:40.09 | z00dax | you might have an easy old age retirement fund going thn |
02:40.26 | Leeds | also, I've got property... |
02:40.29 | Leeds | must shower |
02:43.10 | z00dax | cya |
02:56.55 | andrew___ | hi there |
02:57.08 | z00dax | andrew___: getbacktosleepyou |
02:58.25 | andrew___ | same to you... Woken up and need to do something before I can get back to sleep again |
03:08.13 | z00dax | i havent slept yet |
06:12.49 | morsing | 'morning |
06:51.18 | morsing | Leeds? |
07:10.04 | Leeds | yes? |
07:21.11 | morsing | How about this for a X-mas present for TwoSheds? |
07:21.12 | morsing | http://www.amazon.co.uk/101-Things-Shed-Rob-Beattie/dp/0091906113 |
07:31.03 | morsing | I hate finding christmas presents |
07:33.51 | morsing | Leeds? |
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07:53.15 | morsing | eye69! |
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08:01.27 | morsing | AndrewBlack! |
08:19.00 | sabinef72 | morning |
08:20.41 | trousers | Morning all |
08:23.49 | sabinef72 | hi trousers |
08:23.56 | trousers | Howdy |
08:24.02 | trousers | You coming along today? ;) |
08:24.12 | morsing | sabinef72! |
08:24.24 | trousers | morsing! Check it! |
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09:31.02 | morsing | Gunde! |
09:31.20 | Gunde | morsing (: |
09:31.26 | Gunde | Feeling any better today? |
09:31.49 | morsing | Worse. Got a bad headache |
09:32.04 | Gunde | Is anybody around who is familiar with train tickets to London? |
09:32.23 | Gunde | morsing: Not good. I feel a lot better after 10h sleep. |
09:32.23 | morsing | From where? |
09:32.41 | Gunde | morsing: Anywhere. I wonder what day ticket I need to be able to use the tube without extra ticket. |
09:33.07 | Gunde | Cheap day return, one day return,... |
09:33.20 | Gunde | Day travelcard |
09:34.41 | trousers | I use a day travelcard... But I don't know if it's the most economically viable |
09:35.14 | trousers | Travelcard is legit for bus, train, tube (and tram?) I think |
09:35.27 | Gunde | If I see it correctly a cheap day return using my network rail card would cost me 11.60. I will need at least two tickets for the tube which are 1.50 each. |
09:35.41 | Gunde | And the day travelcard is 14.85, so not much difference. |
09:35.56 | trousers | Gunde: Where are you? |
09:36.20 | trousers | I thought you lived in Germany :S |
09:36.26 | Gunde | trousers: Cambridge |
09:37.12 | Gunde | morsing: With a headache sitting in front of a monitor might not be such a good idea... |
09:37.22 | morsing | Mmm... |
09:41.21 | trousers | I'm liking my courseworks in LaTeX at the moment :) Much better than WYSIWIG editors in my opinion |
09:41.30 | morsing | Nice |
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09:52.19 | morsing | failure! |
09:52.42 | failure | good morning |
09:55.39 | trousers | Yarr |
09:55.58 | failure | who's going to today's meeting? |
09:56.14 | trousers | Me sir! Me sir! |
09:56.18 | failure | :) |
09:56.51 | trousers | I can't seem to remember if there are any power points in the lecture hall as my laptop has, well, shite battery life to be frank |
09:56.52 | failure | i was thinking about going, but i don't know anyone |
09:57.24 | failure | btw, is there any spanish here? |
09:57.27 | trousers | failure: Then how will you ever come along? |
09:58.02 | failure | i think i'll go anyway :) |
09:58.10 | trousers | \o/ |
09:58.35 | trousers | See you there Luis :D |
09:58.55 | morsing | ping Leeds |
10:00.09 | failure | ok Thomas :) |
10:00.28 | trousers | Oh no! My real name has been released :( |
10:00.49 | Gunde | failure: I dont know anybody else either, but I still go. |
10:00.50 | failure | now, they will find you... |
10:01.29 | failure | well, we could arrange a 'those who don't know anyone' meeting :D |
10:01.54 | Gunde | Yes, sit in one corner and not socialise with anybody else. |
10:02.03 | trousers | IRC! |
10:02.19 | trousers | If z00dax brings that wireless card \o/ |
10:02.20 | Gunde | Just sit in a corner and look scared. |
10:02.30 | failure | hehe |
10:02.32 | Gunde | Oh, any idea if there is network connectivity there? |
10:02.40 | trousers | There's WiFi iirc |
10:02.48 | Gunde | Otherwise I might bring network cables and a switch, just in case. |
10:04.57 | trousers | I guess today we won't be all cooped up in the lecture theatre due to the installfest |
10:05.11 | trousers | I also assume that there will be lots of Ubuntu installs :P |
10:05.57 | failure | r u going to the install fest or only to the technical meeting? |
10:06.07 | trousers | Both if I can \o/ |
10:09.45 | Gunde | trousers: On what does it depend whether you can? |
10:10.07 | trousers | If I'm not already doing something when something else happens |
10:52.55 | morsing | Where did Leeds go? |
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10:55.37 | morsing | evil1337! |
10:55.45 | morsing | mozzie? |
10:55.50 | evil1337 | howdy morsing |
10:55.59 | morsing | Hiya mozrat |
10:56.20 | evil1337 | brb, gotta lock up for 15 min |
11:01.26 | evil1337 | im missing the social to babysit a net cafe with no frikkin net access >< |
11:01.28 | evil1337 | what a waste of a day |
11:02.47 | Gunde | what does a net cafe without net earn its money with? |
11:04.06 | morsing | Yuck... Cottage cheese |
11:04.07 | trousers | Mozrat's not coming? |
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11:08.24 | trousers | Howdy xotl |
11:08.31 | morsing | xotl! |
11:08.31 | xotl | morning |
11:08.38 | xotl | hi morsing |
11:09.59 | xotl | are you guys going to the meeting today? |
11:10.25 | morsing | No |
11:10.32 | trousers | Yarr |
11:10.54 | xotl | morsing: are you still feeling bad? |
11:11.28 | xotl | who could pass up a chance to heckle a guy from Novell? |
11:12.40 | xotl | trousers: you'll only have to take it off again when you put a sweater on |
11:12.47 | morsing | xotl: A bit |
11:12.57 | morsing | xotl: Bored to death as well |
11:13.22 | xotl | morsing: oh dear. why not come to the meeting and cheer yourself up? |
11:13.47 | trousers | Aye, come on morsing! |
11:13.56 | morsing | Too far annd I'm still not over my cold |
11:14.00 | morsing | :( |
11:14.06 | trousers | Nowehere's too far for... Morsing! |
11:14.14 | morsing | Should really do house work as well |
11:14.22 | morsing | Thanks :) |
11:14.24 | xotl | Gunde: have you recovered? |
11:14.44 | xotl | I'll take some photos of the Novell guy after we've beat him up |
11:14.59 | trousers | Why are we beating up the Novell guy? :S |
11:15.08 | Gunde | xotl: Kind of, still sniffling. |
11:15.37 | xotl | for their Microsoft deal, which I expect this speaker was personally responsible for |
11:16.11 | trousers | Mircosoft deal? *Googles* |
11:16.29 | xotl | have u not heard? its been all over the tech press |
11:16.32 | *** part/#gllug Gunde (n=spamyous@82.153.170.213) |
11:16.52 | trousers | I've been sleeping a lot this week :) |
11:17.16 | xotl | I'm just reading that Eben Moglen is going to scrutinize the deal |
11:17.40 | xotl | they've made various intellectual property agreeements |
11:18.09 | evil1337 | trousers: lucky for some |
11:18.21 | trousers | deep-blue, it's you! |
11:18.27 | trousers | You coming today? |
11:18.36 | deep-blue | cant :( im stuck at work |
11:18.39 | xotl | morsing: don't do any housework, it just gets dirty again |
11:18.45 | morsing | Nice |
11:18.50 | deep-blue | which is kinda redundant, got no net access, meaning i cant really fix much |
11:19.16 | morsing | deep-blue: Why are you hiding? |
11:19.46 | deep-blue | blame irssi and my bad syntaxes |
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11:26.38 | morsing | flips_and_rails! |
11:30.30 | trousers | morsing: What is "flip_and_rail"-ing? |
11:55.54 | trousers | Hmm |
12:13.53 | Leeds | oops, bye-bye afternoon... |
12:14.21 | z00dax | i should have been at the gllug meet by now ? |
12:14.38 | Leeds | I should have been at the gym by now |
12:15.21 | z00dax | right you go, i am off as well.cya lates |
12:17.09 | Leeds | have fun |
12:20.38 | morsing | My headache is getting really bad... :( |
12:22.41 | JAV | hello |
12:22.44 | morsing | :( |
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12:25.58 | morsing | Leeds! |
12:44.10 | morsing | ping Leeds |
12:45.41 | Leeds | pong |
12:53.32 | JAV | behaviours without frontiers. I did the same |
12:53.49 | Leeds | ? |
12:54.33 | JAV | I should have gone out but I stayed in bed |
12:54.50 | JAV | There's a really great day out there |
12:55.37 | JAV | I think I'll have lunch and go shopping |
12:56.40 | Leeds | oh, I went out for brunch... came back, slowly, had tea-ish food, then took a nap... and I'm about to get washed and go out again |
12:58.35 | JAV | It's been more than a month since I'm in madrid and I haven't had a look at a map. I have to find a proper gym near here for example |
13:00.34 | Leeds | heh... mine is a few minutes walk away down the main road - you can't miss it |
13:01.39 | JAV | If weather continues like this I maybe go running |
13:04.16 | Leeds | too warm to run here - and I'm not exactly in great running form... at 9pm (i.e. just now) the weather people are reporting 26C - and this is mid-November |
13:07.42 | JAV | ouch |
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13:18.35 | morsing | Provito! |
13:18.39 | Provito | howdy |
13:34.04 | Leeds | have a good afternoon, all |
13:34.17 | morsing | Nice |
14:02.52 | morsing | Anyone left here? |
14:10.21 | JAV | me, but for a few minutes |
14:10.41 | wethrin | Hello |
14:10.47 | morsing | JAV: You're not going to the meeting? |
14:11.09 | JAV | what meeting? |
14:11.11 | morsing | wethrin: When are you going to a Sat meeting next? |
14:11.27 | morsing | JAV: The Gllug meeting? You're on a Gllug channel?! |
14:11.32 | wethrin | morsing: No idea. Depends which Saturday meetings are on |
14:11.43 | wethrin | morsing: Why aren't you at the meeting? Or are you? |
14:12.00 | JAV | morsing, my soul is here buy my body (and clothes) is in Madrid |
14:12.10 | morsing | wethrin: Too far, too busy, too expensive and I've got a cold |
14:13.04 | JAV | in fact, I've never been in UK :) |
14:13.06 | wethrin | It's closer than I am, fair enough, not *that* expensive, you have a job, and fair enough hope you feel better soon |
14:16.33 | morsing | :( |
14:25.01 | morsing | I need to get out... |
14:29.10 | wethrin | hit the town? |
14:49.32 | rhowe | http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,485,773.PN.&OS=PN/6,485,773&RS=PN/6,485,773 |
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15:59.24 | morsing | catalyst! |
15:59.36 | morsing | ping Leeds |
15:59.45 | catalyst | morsing! |
15:59.48 | catalyst | I won't be there tonight |
15:59.53 | morsing | Nice |
15:59.54 | catalyst | going places with me friends |
16:02.55 | morsing | ping wethrin |
16:17.36 | morsing | :( |
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16:20.25 | morsing | Jasperw! |
16:47.18 | boudicca | z00dax; you about mate? |
17:38.30 | wethrin | morsing: pong? |
17:52.17 | wethrin | Time for me to go! |
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19:51.35 | morsing | mjallo |
19:58.59 | Leeds | really? |
20:57.22 | trousers | Howdy |
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21:38.02 | mozrat | buzz! |
22:04.58 | hali | bupp! |
22:05.05 | hali | how did he installfest go? |
22:08.39 | trousers | Howdy mozrat! Why didn't you come to the pub? |
23:14.56 | z00dax | boudicca: hola! |
23:14.58 | z00dax | I am here now |
23:15.08 | z00dax | hey trousers, howse CentOS doing ? |
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23:57.41 | z00dax | catalyst and Gunde hello |
23:57.59 | catalyst | z00dax! |
23:58.28 | z00dax | catalyst: didnt see you at the meeting today |
23:58.41 | z00dax | or, if you were there - then i dont know who you are :) |
23:58.50 | catalyst | I wasn't there :) |
23:58.55 | catalyst | I live in Southampton |
23:59.06 | catalyst | I thought about coming but I lack funds |
23:59.20 | z00dax | someone was overheard, mentioning that you might be there,, with laptop and all |
23:59.37 | Gunde | I was expecting xotl to show up. |
23:59.38 | z00dax | and now, well its Sunday |
23:59.52 | z00dax | hello Gunde, i think we met today. |
23:59.58 | Gunde | z00dax: I didnt see you at the pub afterwards, nor Simon. |