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00:05.06catalystz00dax: depends what mood I'm in
00:05.18wethrinz00dax: It wasn't when I started
00:06.12z00daxcatalyst: what else do you use / abuse
00:06.21catalystwindows
00:06.24catalyst¬_¬
00:06.35catalystI used to kick gentoo about a lot
00:06.53catalystthen I decided I'd rather not spend my life watching a poorly packaged gcc based screensaver :(
00:07.20catalystI'd run mandriva exclusively on my laptop if I could just get the wireless working on it
00:09.52z00daxwhat card is it ?
00:10.17catalystumm, an ralink USB of some sort
00:10.27catalystI don't know how to find out precisely what it is
00:10.40z00daxlspci will tell
00:10.42z00daxor lsusb
01:50.34morsing'morning
01:51.02Leedshi
02:02.19morsingLeeds!
02:02.32morsingWhat did you have for breakfast?
02:04.22Leedshaven't had breakfast yet, but have had a carton of light lemon tea
02:05.12Leedswhat did you have for dinner?  I had a burger last night - the first meat I've eaten since coming back to HK
02:10.46morsingI didn't have anything since I came home :(
02:10.55Leedswhy not?
02:10.56morsingAll you can eat chinese for luch
02:10.58morsinglunch
02:11.06morsingNot eating meat is not good for you!
02:11.39LeedsI eat fish, tofu...
02:11.46Leedshmm... veggie dim sum for lunch today, I think
02:11.57morsingI have been called by Ops because of ping failures to a server
02:12.21Leedsping, pong, ping, pong
02:14.38morsingThis server is slightly un-documented though
02:15.16Leedswell, if it's only slightly, that's okay
02:17.15morsingWhat do I do about randomly missing ping replies?
02:20.18morsingAnd this server has a completely different IP address to anything else
02:20.51LeedsI suggest plugging the network cable back in
02:25.50morsingHmm... It appears to be a backup server - which explains the different network address
02:29.23morsingI need to make a sausage roll to solve this...
02:31.50morsingAnyway, 'ps' shows nothing else running than backup daemons and there are no more scheduled backups for tonight
02:32.04morsingI think it's a safe bet to go back to bed
02:38.10morsingMmm... Sausage
02:38.51Leedsmmm... burger...
02:39.14LeedsI actually wanted a hot dog, but they've been off the menu since about when I arrived here last year
06:00.35morsingMmm...
07:41.46cpufreakurgh
07:59.49Leedsmmm... lunch
08:06.50Leedsand a carton of fake meat from the takeaway veggie place across the road from the gym :-)
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08:40.53morsingeye69!
08:51.52morsingLeeds: What's for lunch
08:52.23LeedsI said, above - fake meat from the veggie dim sum place across the road from the gym
08:54.40morsingNice
08:54.56Leedsindeed it was :-)
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09:04.09morsinghuw-l!
09:04.59huw-lmorning
09:28.40sabinef72morning
09:28.49Leedsafternoon
09:30.06morsingsabinef72!
09:32.11Leedsno.
09:32.21Leedshmm... I'm front page on google for "star ferry pier" :-)
09:33.28Leedsew
09:34.18sabinef72ah ah
09:36.16Leeds:-)
09:41.21morsings/to/too/
09:45.01morsingibot wake ibot
09:45.06ibotACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on ibot and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"
09:45.14murbmoin
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09:53.32morsingfailure!
09:57.26Leedsfailure is *not* an option
09:57.53morsingibot failure is also not an option
09:57.57ibotokay, morsing
09:58.01morsingibot failure
09:58.02ibotmethinks failure is not an option
09:58.08morsing:)
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10:00.51sabinef72mozrat: are you wake up ??????????
10:01.09failure'morning :)
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10:06.07morsinggethoper!
10:06.13morsingflips_and_rails!
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10:11.55morsinggoibhniu!
10:16.09goibhniumorsing!
10:19.49morsingNice
10:23.11goibhniuI was wondering why I'd put in "music that sounds like" "the slits" and it would gradually drift toward the doors and jimi hendrix
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10:34.43morsingPussInBoots
10:34.44morsing1
11:11.48morsingmozrat?
11:12.09sabinef72yes where is mozrat ??????????
11:20.30sabinef72:-))))))
11:36.17goibhniuJoomla Awarded Best Open Source CMS   http://www.cmswire.com/cms/open-source-cms/joomla-awarded-best-open-source-cms-000894.php
11:36.54goibhniuactually a tie with drupal
11:37.49morsingJoomla?
11:37.55morsingDrupal?
11:42.43z00daxbest CMS judged by the number of security vuln's reported then ?
11:43.00z00daxJoomla and Drupal have got to be 2 of the most insecure and most hacked apps on the planet
11:47.27goibhniujoomla looks like it has lots of bells and whistles
11:47.46antiphaseCMSes are used by kiddy fiddlers
11:48.20z00daxantiphase: and what do the real men use
11:50.41antiphasevi
11:52.20gregjhttp://www.biertijd.com/mediaplayer/flvplayer.swf?file=http://media.biertijd.com/movies/200610/onderen.flv&autostart=true&fs=true
11:52.26gregjI just wonder what city is it in
12:29.20goibhniuI want to simulate having a slow internet connection ... trickle? tc? tcng?
12:29.54murbgoibhniu: ppp over a serial cable at 9.6k
12:30.41goibhniufun! ... but I only have one serial port :(
12:32.15morsingNice
12:36.57morsingping wethrin
12:37.05morsingsabinef72?
12:37.44sabinef72ahh yes
12:37.46sabinef72I'm here
12:43.31sabinef72morsing ?
12:53.26morsingsabinef72?
13:04.25sabinef72morsing ?
13:15.47morsingMmm... Supermarket
13:16.59sabinef72yes my fridge is empty
13:50.51morsing0
13:51.14morsingiTron!
14:14.38Leedswell that was an interesting film
14:14.49morsingLeeds?
14:16.35morsingFuturama the movie I?
14:16.46Leedsno, it's called Steel Toes
14:17.45LeedsCanadian film about a skinhead being assigned a Jewish lawyer after kicking an Indian man to death
14:17.58morsingNice
14:18.09Leedsno, not really
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14:34.57morsingCope!
14:37.33morsingLeeds: In HK?!
14:37.52Leedsyes, of course in HK
14:39.37LeedsI didn't pop back to the UK for the afternoon just to watch Mastermind ;-)
14:39.58morsingNice
14:55.16Copehello morsing
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15:11.00morsingCope!
15:11.41Cope:D
16:03.19Leedsthere has been a commercial posting policy for the list for a long time, which is rarely referenced, never mind enforced... but it's annoying me
16:05.55morsingm
16:07.32morsingAnd what's SO?
16:08.32LeedsSO?
16:08.41Leedssignificant other?
16:09.41morsingAhh...
16:10.00Leedsand leaving SOs out makes it a pretty poor attempt at a Christmas do
16:10.11boudiccaschoo
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16:10.22boudiccasanother cold finds its victim!
16:11.27z00daxLeeds: yea, thats what i was thinking
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16:17.21macooohi all
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16:22.31morsingcatalyst!
16:23.29Leedsit's possible that watching a film about a skinhead murderer didn't help my mood
16:24.15catalystmorsing!
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17:03.14morsingErwin!
17:05.11Erwinmorning. geez, copenhagen is so cold compared to london
17:05.19morsingNice
17:06.23Leedswhat do you expect in the frozen wastelands of Scandanavist?
17:08.06Erwinwell, there was something like a 10C difference, and CPH is not that far north
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18:57.25copeHello chums
18:58.08Copetah's better
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19:25.42trousersHowdy
19:29.11Copehello trousers
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19:44.01resuDaedevening all
19:44.11resuDaedany maths specialists around?
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19:49.57ErwinWhat exactly?
19:53.37resuDaedtrying to integrate e^-t^2
19:53.58resuDaedmy TI84 can do it, but I can't
20:08.26Copedo you want hints? or the answer?
20:08.33Copewell... of course you have the answer
20:11.17resuDaedCope : hints
20:11.57resuDaedthat don't involve computers, graphical calculators or more ability than a first year Mech Eng Student
20:23.25Copeok - that is e to the minus t to the 2? just so i am reading correctly
20:23.38resuDaedyes
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20:32.46serr_slackhi all
20:42.31CoperesuDaed: gaussian integral?
20:44.32resuDaedCope : first year mech eng student
20:44.48resuDaedwe were only (re)taught integration yesterday
20:46.21Copecheck out gaussian integrals - the answer is (I think) root t
21:19.22trousersI don't understand why my wireless isn't working!
21:21.08trousersiwlist wlan0 scanning brings up a load of networks
21:21.17trousersI've left mine open for the moment so I can connect to it easily
21:21.35trousersI try editing my /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-wlan0 appropriately
21:21.41trousersBut I can't get any connection
21:31.38resuDaedibot seen trousers
21:32.01ibottrousers is currently on #gllug. Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 10m 20s, last said: 'But I can't get any connection'.
21:32.01trousersI'm here
21:32.34resuDaedI am assuming you've tried just iwconfig wlan0 essid [blah] enc [enc key if applicable]
21:33.12resuDaedor possibly specifying the channel/freq aswell
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21:43.24trousers_laptopWoo!
22:06.48mozrathttp://gllug.org.uk/uploads/Meetings/7thDec06/Poster-small.png
22:09.43ErwinHmm, greylist is a pain. It seems that every customer we have is using multiple outgoing mail servers
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22:16.38z00dax_tubeHello
22:16.39trousers_laptopHowdy z00dax_tube
22:16.52trousers_laptopOnly got my USB WiFi working again :(
22:17.20z00dax_tubeWhy not the pcmcia ?
22:18.45trousers_laptopIt just refuses to detect it
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22:19.04trousers_laptopmorsing?
22:19.18z00dax_tubeWho is "it" ?
22:19.28trousers_laptopThe laptop
22:20.52ErwinAnyone gotten their thinkpad repaired by ibm in uk?
22:23.31z00dax_tubeI thought that lspci found the card ?
22:23.51z00dax_tubeErwin, i got mine done when it was still ibm
22:24.01z00dax_tubeA screen replacement
22:25.11Copemozrat: so 7th eh? what time?
22:25.35mozrat1930hrs
22:25.55Cope6th is wed
22:27.08sabinef72time for bed
22:27.12sabinef72night night
22:27.17z00dax_tubeBye
22:29.28z00dax_tubeCope, are you going to come for the next gllug meet ?
22:30.23flips_and_railsI have a new machine with over 16Gb mem and 4 procs, does anyone know if i can enable the hugemem style kernel at install time?
22:30.49z00dax_tubeWhat distro ?
22:31.40z00dax_tubeThe installer will install the smp and hugemem for you anyway, but why install a 32 bit distro on a machine like that ?
22:32.05z00dax_tubeI suppose the question would be why have 32 bit procs on a machine like that
22:32.11flips_and_railswell i am installing 64bit
22:32.24flips_and_railsand just wasn't sure what it woule pick up automatically
22:32.30trousers_laptopWhat does is limit RAM to on 32 bit?
22:32.46z00dax_tubeYou would need a few terra ram to hit hugemem requirements on a 64 bit kernel
22:33.04flips_and_railswell its a bit complicated
22:33.24z00dax_tubeFlips: the normal smp kernel should do you fine
22:33.27flips_and_railsi am happy to just have it install and work for now
22:33.45flips_and_railswe have got silly amounts of ram and processors
22:34.03flips_and_railsit just happens that the max we have in one place at one time is 16gb and 4 procs
22:34.24Erwinz00dax_tube: Do you send it in somewhere, or do they pick it up or something? I guess it is different when it's Lenovo now, but my interinational warranty seems to hold according to their website
22:34.26flips_and_railsI haven't installed anything manually for years and was just wondering what detection was like
22:35.01flips_and_railsSo if the install DVD will pick up the 16gb RAM and multiple procs then thats fine ;-)
22:35.02flips_and_railsthanks
22:35.25z00dax_tubeErwin, I had onsite at the time they came and picked it up 5 days later was delivered by courier
22:35.40z00dax_tubeFlips, what distro ?
22:36.13ErwinOddly a week after my backlight started failing randomly, and I took it on a plane trip, it has completely died with a "Fan Error".
22:36.30z00dax_tubeMost install time kernels wont use that much since they are all uni proc based, except on ppc64 and s390
22:36.58flips_and_railswell i need fc5 to install
22:37.12z00dax_tubeSo you might need to install with mem=1024M or something
22:38.03z00dax_tubeOnce installed, it will default to smp kernel, which on x86-64 should be fine to about 512gb of ram at least
22:38.37flips_and_railswhat the mem=1024mb do?
22:38.49flips_and_railsdoes should be in the last sentence somewhere
22:39.22z00dax_tubeLimit the install time kernel to only use a gig, thats more than it needs really
22:39.56z00dax_tubeUse it only if you have a problem....
22:40.14keithlard_z00dax_tube> hey dogg
22:40.26z00dax_tubeHeya keith!
22:40.31keithlard_how are you?
22:40.34trousers_laptopWhat *is* smp?
22:40.35flips_and_railsis there anywhere i can peek/poke at these options, what's there offical name?
22:40.38trousers_laptopWhat *is* smp?
22:40.46flips_and_railssymettric multi processor
22:40.47z00dax_tubeBetter, i think
22:40.50trousers_laptopCheers
22:41.00keithlard_z00dax_tube> alright! :D
22:41.23keithlard_are you on the tube?
22:41.25z00dax_tubeKeith, still @ work ?
22:41.50z00dax_tubeOn the train actually, came to see a doc friend in town
22:42.03keithlard_no i am relaxing at home with a $LAGER and mini poppadoms ekcetera
22:42.28trousers_laptopG'night
22:43.00z00dax_tubeLucky dogg. I am relaxing with a million people stuffed into a train coach, all sweating and abusing london transport
22:43.10z00dax_tubeTrousers, see ya
22:43.16keithlard_nernight!
22:43.48keithlard_lrug meeting was excellent by the way
22:44.04flips_and_railsz00dax_tube, thanks for your help :)
22:44.09keithlard_i now love capistrano! :D
22:44.23z00dax_tubeI felt way out of sync to make it yesterday, was quite blown by the time i left
22:44.41z00dax_tubeKeith, must look at it
22:45.10z00dax_tubeFlips no worries, let me know how you get along, also btw, why not use centos ?
22:46.15z00dax_tubeKeith, something we can use capstrano ?
22:46.26z00dax_tubeCapistrano even
22:47.32keithlard_yes it is basically like the script we have for doing commands on remote servers via ssh
22:48.13keithlard_except it is more like rakefile syntax, and you get various free tasks ekcetera predefined for you
22:49.06rhowehmmm
22:49.32rhowetemp2:     +39.0°C  (high =   +53°C, hyst =   +48°C)   sensor = thermistor           (beep)
22:49.35rhowetemp3:     +48.0°C  (high =   +53°C, hyst =   +48°C)   sensor = thermistor           (beep)
22:49.39rhowethat'll be it
22:49.47keithlard_rhowe> is it like that apple advert... beep... beep... beeeeep...
22:50.07rhoweapple advert?
22:50.09z00dax_tubeKeith...blogs are good
22:51.04keithlard_we could use radiant
22:51.12keithlard_or write it in rails!
22:51.17rhowethen again, if she'd turned it off, she'd have had no PC :P
22:51.21z00dax_tubeLooks like the train is finally moving again
22:51.29keithlard_huzzah!
22:51.59z00dax_tubeKeith, you need to slow down with ruby, i need to catch up
22:52.14keithlard_rhowe> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_feiss
22:52.34keithlard_we need to do some hardcore pair programming!
22:52.54z00dax_tubeYea, that would be one way to catch up
22:52.58keithlard_and drinking... ruby programmers seem to drink a great deal :D
22:53.10keithlard_if last night is anything to go by
22:53.14z00dax_tubeDid you guys manage to rack Mica into the smaller rack
22:53.31z00dax_tubeI think i might know what the io problem is
22:53.44z00dax_tubeDrinking++
22:54.57keithlard_no we seemed to spend most of today talking in the office, and breathing in paint fumes
22:55.36keithlard_it is fine until the pink elephants start coming at you out of the walls :S
22:56.38keithlard_our new office has desks! and elecktricity! :D
22:56.39rhowez00dax_tube: New server arrived today at work btw - HP DL320 G5
22:56.42rhowez00dax_tube: It's bent!
22:56.55rhowez00dax_tube: Has a distinct curve to the front end, and I don't think it's supposed to
22:57.23keithlard_that is a bit worrisome
22:57.26rhowez00dax_tube: Still, £500 for a 1U SATA box
22:57.38rhowekeithlard_: I think it's a manufacturing fault.. seems to be the way the chassis was put together
22:57.55rhowewill call SCC Exchange (the retailer) in the morning and ask them about it
22:58.33rhoweIt works fine - installed Debian testing with MD and LVM just fine. Glad to see they've changed debian-installer to allow you to do LVM-on-MD, which ISTR not being possible with sarge
23:00.00keithlard_computers are awesome
23:00.14rhoweToo time consuming
23:00.29rhoweFine if you're billing by the hour, but if you're salaried, they can be a bit of a drag
23:00.45keithlard_it depends if you like spending your time doing that though! ;D
23:01.19keithlard_i could be getting up in the morning and working in eg dixons, like simon pegg out of shaun of the dead
23:01.58keithlard_instead someone is willing to pay me to sit around all day messing about with computers and drinking endless cups of free tea!
23:02.12keithlard_sometimes there are biscuits!
23:04.47keithlard_or as someone said... "I don't like to think of it as going to work every day, so much as going to a big building with free coffee where I can pee on the seat without fear of retribution."
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23:06.26JAVhello
23:06.50keithlard_hmm, xchat-gnome crashed
23:07.11keithlard_hola amigo! como van todos contigo?
23:09.19keithlard_that is weird, for some reason google video does not have sound if something else has got the sound open
23:21.06JAVuse esd
23:21.25JAVor artsd if you use kde
23:22.15keithlard_esd is on!
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23:54.11PinguKaosevenin' all

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