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| 03:46.30 | sabinef72 | well.... time for bed |
| 03:46.32 | sabinef72 | good night all |
| 03:48.09 | Leeds | night |
| 03:48.15 | Leeds | very late night for you... |
| 03:48.24 | Leeds | in fact, very very very late night :-) |
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| 07:11.34 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 07:46.23 | Cope | Bradford? |
| 07:46.51 | morsing | Exeter? |
| 07:53.29 | trousers | Bristol? |
| 07:53.35 | morsing | trousers! |
| 07:53.41 | trousers | morsing! |
| 07:53.46 | trousers | Check it! |
| 07:53.52 | morsing | Beer |
| 07:53.59 | serris_ | morning all |
| 07:54.06 | morsing | serris_ |
| 07:54.07 | morsing | ! |
| 07:54.17 | trousers | Hmm, cross country soon -_- |
| 07:54.22 | serris_ | morning morsing |
| 07:56.46 | morsing | trousers: Where? Why? |
| 07:57.31 | serris_ | I have to drive in to London in a week... That'll be fun especially cause I don't have a London map |
| 07:57.32 | trousers | Bushy park... Because I can? |
| 07:57.51 | morsing | serris_: I thought you lived in London? |
| 07:57.58 | morsing | trousers: Bushy park?! |
| 07:58.03 | trousers | I mean I don't like the waking up etc. but finishing a race is enjoyable |
| 07:58.18 | serris_ | Greater London. When I say "into London" I mean Central London. Around Oxford Street/Baker Street area |
| 07:58.20 | trousers | morsing: I live in Kingsotn... |
| 08:00.14 | morsing | trousers: Are you Matt? |
| 08:06.46 | Cope | hello morsing |
| 08:07.28 | morsing | Hi Cope |
| 08:08.37 | morsing | How's William? |
| 08:09.45 | morsing | ... shower time ... |
| 08:15.33 | Cope | William is being annoying and not eating his breakfast |
| 08:23.22 | morsing | Nice |
| 08:31.04 | serris_ | I want breakfast just nothing to eat |
| 08:31.34 | morsing | Mmm... Fireworks |
| 08:31.37 | serris_ | I'm tempted to just run out to Tesco and get some baking powder and a few odds and sods for donuts |
| 08:35.07 | morsing | Gggggggg That's some expensive stuff tey have |
| 08:35.08 | morsing | http://www.westcoastfireworks.co.uk/shop/ |
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| 09:05.00 | morsing | # |
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| 10:33.25 | morsing | Hey, where's the routing table set in Redhat? |
| 10:33.40 | Leeds | wow, bouncy |
| 10:34.04 | Leeds | uh, it's probably in-kernel, like most distros |
| 10:34.13 | morsing | Leeds: Fuck off |
| 10:34.33 | Leeds | yes |
| 10:34.55 | morsing | Does anyone actually know? |
| 10:35.41 | Leeds | yes |
| 10:36.01 | Leeds | to pull a name out of the air - Alan Cox probably knows... so does agk :-) |
| 10:36.10 | morsing | The boot script reads it from static-routes but that file doesn't exist |
| 10:36.44 | Leeds | well, that'll be for static routes... the default route will probably be set however/wherever/whenever the interface is brought up |
| 10:36.51 | Leeds | do you have a complicated table? |
| 10:36.56 | morsing | No - |
| 10:37.14 | morsing | Three lines but it uses bonding and it's not in the right order... |
| 10:37.22 | Leeds | ooh, bondage... |
| 10:37.43 | morsing | I've spent 30 minutes trying to find out where this is defined... |
| 10:37.44 | Leeds | really, I don't know... tried grepped through /etc for files containing appropriate strings? say, the gateway addresses? |
| 10:37.45 | morsing | RedHat sucks |
| 10:37.50 | morsing | Yes |
| 10:38.05 | Leeds | is it set up as part of the bondage? |
| 10:38.05 | cpufreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.11 | cpufreak | for your static routes |
| 10:38.17 | cpufreak | iirc |
| 10:38.23 | cpufreak | but sysconfig spelt right |
| 10:38.45 | cpufreak | redhat is fine, its no worse than anything else |
| 10:38.52 | morsing | No routing files in that directory |
| 10:38.59 | cpufreak | create one hen |
| 10:39.13 | cpufreak | it take s iproute2 format |
| 10:39.17 | morsing | cpufreak: No |
| 10:39.26 | Leeds | how can redhat be fine if they don't have a patent license from MS? |
| 10:39.29 | cpufreak | well thats the correct place to put it |
| 10:39.41 | morsing | cpufreak: Do you have any IT work experience? |
| 10:39.55 | cpufreak | a bit yes |
| 10:40.39 | cpufreak | :) |
| 10:40.53 | Leeds | morsing: do you? on anything but AIX? |
| 10:41.31 | cpufreak | lol |
| 10:41.36 | morsing | Leeds: That's not what I'm talking about |
| 10:41.52 | cpufreak | what are youn talking about then? |
| 10:41.55 | morsing | I'm talking about inexperienced people "Just do that" attitude |
| 10:42.05 | morsing | s/peopple/peoples/ |
| 10:42.09 | morsing | AAartgg |
| 10:42.10 | Leeds | now there's something I would have done today... why didn't I know the A380 was coming into town? |
| 10:42.42 | cpufreak | morsing: i was poitning out its the correct place to put your route config |
| 10:43.00 | cpufreak | its probably done ow through an rc.local script |
| 10:43.03 | cpufreak | which is wrong |
| 10:43.03 | Leeds | cpufreak: and I don't think he's asking that - I think he's asking the proper, maintainable method of setting it |
| 10:43.16 | Leeds | i.e. through some brain-melting gui |
| 10:43.25 | cpufreak | yes, the proper place to put static routes is in that file |
| 10:43.33 | cpufreak | oh, right! |
| 10:43.34 | morsing | Leeds: ANd to answer your question: Yes I do |
| 10:43.41 | cpufreak | sysconfig-network-tui |
| 10:43.47 | morsing | About 11 years Linux experience plus Solaris and HP |
| 10:43.47 | cpufreak | or something |
| 10:44.21 | Leeds | morsing: sure... it's just that... sometimes... you know... |
| 10:46.31 | cpufreak | morsing: and if remember correctly you're the sysadmin who claimed that sysadmins dont or shouldnt need to know anything about networks, network protocols or anything like that |
| 10:46.38 | cpufreak | which is frankly boggling |
| 10:48.46 | morsing | Leeds: Oh you mean that I have problems on other peoples weird systems not just my home PC like everyone else on this channel? |
| 10:49.17 | Leeds | morsing: uh, no - I was getting more at what cpufreak was blunt with |
| 10:49.19 | cpufreak | morsing: everyone has other systems to deal with |
| 10:49.22 | Leeds | anyway, I should really go in the shower |
| 10:49.32 | cpufreak | i have 1200 or so such ssytems at work |
| 10:50.11 | cpufreak | but i try to at least understand the platforms i support and know how to make changes and where config stuff is stored :) |
| 10:50.36 | morsing | cpufreak: I'd never even heard of this client until this morning |
| 10:50.48 | morsing | Your systems are probably fairly identical |
| 10:51.06 | cpufreak | but you presumably know you are meant to support redhat? |
| 10:51.16 | cpufreak | not really |
| 10:51.52 | morsing | cpufreak: No - I'm an AIX specialist |
| 10:51.53 | Leeds | incidentally, I may get paranoid about lack of life, but I've turned down two social invitations today, and voluntarily ignored another |
| 10:51.59 | morsing | How does it make a difference though |
| 10:52.11 | morsing | cpufreak: Why can I not ping the content switch? |
| 10:53.21 | morsing | And why doesn't this work: |
| 10:53.22 | morsing | [root@ver10web03 network-scripts]# route del -net 10.44.75.0 eth0 |
| 10:53.22 | morsing | SIOCDELRT: Invalid argument |
| 10:54.03 | cpufreak | can you see entries for the content swithces ip in your arp table? |
| 10:54.36 | cpufreak | i'd use ip route del 10.44.75.0/24 dev eth0 |
| 10:54.42 | cpufreak | is that failiing to? |
| 10:55.22 | morsing | 255.255.255.192 is what, 26? |
| 10:55.33 | cpufreak | yep |
| 10:55.41 | cpufreak | so s/24/26 |
| 10:57.20 | morsing | Why can I not get the route for bond0 in before eth0 and eth1? |
| 10:57.31 | cpufreak | um |
| 10:57.40 | cpufreak | are eth0 and eth1 slaves to bond0? |
| 10:57.45 | morsing | Yes |
| 10:57.55 | morsing | But on the other server it's before |
| 10:57.59 | cpufreak | then eth0/1 hsouldn't have any routes |
| 10:58.08 | morsing | This is crap... |
| 10:58.37 | cpufreak | all routes should be on the master (bond0) interface |
| 10:58.38 | morsing | Wow... that works |
| 10:58.48 | morsing | Why did this break at 9 this morning? |
| 10:58.57 | cpufreak | cron? |
| 10:58.57 | morsing | And how does it work on the other server? |
| 10:59.01 | cpufreak | stupid user? |
| 10:59.12 | morsing | They were both rebooted yesterday |
| 10:59.30 | morsing | Users don't have access |
| 10:59.48 | cpufreak | networks doing maintenance? |
| 11:01.07 | cpufreak | urgh caffeine shakes :/ |
| 11:01.22 | cpufreak | scombined with being cold sitting in bmw dealer showroom |
| 11:01.28 | morsing | This server is still don't serving http requests though |
| 11:01.39 | morsing | I think the CSS has shut it down |
| 11:01.49 | morsing | Hmm... How to access the CSS |
| 11:02.00 | morsing | BMWs suck |
| 11:02.14 | cpufreak | you have to deal with arrowpoints? |
| 11:02.26 | cpufreak | ok now you have my sympathy :) |
| 11:03.10 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 11:04.29 | morsing | Well, been on-call for a week and clocked up almost £400 after tax so far |
| 11:04.39 | morsing | I can afford X-mas presents this year :) |
| 11:05.37 | cpufreak | i cant |
| 11:05.53 | cpufreak | owe the bank fucktonnes now due to new flat |
| 11:06.37 | Leeds | session manager++ - I just managed to accidentally close a firefox window with about 30 tabs open |
| 11:07.06 | morsing | Hmm... CSS tells me the two IPs are now alive |
| 11:07.16 | morsing | But I'm still not getting requestss |
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| 11:08.06 | cpufreak | seing /any/ traffic on port 80 through tcpdump? |
| 11:18.21 | morsing | Yay - tey both appear to be serving now... |
| 11:18.25 | morsing | hhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 11:18.30 | morsing | Nice |
| 11:19.11 | morsing | There was a bonding alias that hadn't been set up |
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| 12:56.04 | trousers_laptop | Howdy |
| 12:56.24 | trousers_laptop | Is this whole Freecycle as simple as I think it is? Just people give free stuff away and I can take it for them? |
| 13:01.39 | mozrat | Pretty much |
| 13:04.39 | trousers_laptop | Awesome, it's like eBay without PayPal! |
| 13:04.50 | mozrat | heh |
| 13:05.14 | trousers_laptop | I suppose it's better than throwing stuff out |
| 13:07.51 | mozrat | how are you trousers_laptop ? |
| 13:08.55 | trousers_laptop | Fine thanks, had a refreshing 5km run this morning :) |
| 13:08.57 | trousers_laptop | You? |
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| 13:36.48 | JAV | hello |
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| 14:02.07 | morsing | xotl! |
| 14:02.34 | xotl | hi morsing |
| 14:02.43 | trousers_laptop | morsing! |
| 14:02.47 | morsing | trousers_laptop! |
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| 14:03.12 | morsing | Britvic37! |
| 14:03.16 | trousers_laptop | Hmm, my dad got me this random Cisco Firewall thing... *Pokes with nmap* |
| 14:03.18 | Britvic37 | Morsing! |
| 14:04.55 | Britvic37 | Has sabinef72 decided where the social event will be? |
| 14:05.40 | sabinef72 | hello |
| 14:06.06 | sabinef72 | Britvic37: I won't be the one who will decide .... you must ask mozrat or z00dax |
| 14:06.19 | sabinef72 | morsing !!!!!!! |
| 14:07.21 | trousers_laptop | Calm down dear, it's only a commercial |
| 14:08.36 | sabinef72 | trousers_laptop: what ? |
| 14:09.00 | Britvic37 | sabinef72: What else have you got planned while here? |
| 14:09.27 | trousers_laptop | sabinef72: It's from an advertisement for esure car insurance starring Michael Winner |
| 14:10.08 | sabinef72 | Britvic37: tourist stuff .... I never went before in England |
| 14:10.17 | Britvic37 | I thought Mr Winner dressed as his wife was v.v funny! |
| 14:10.29 | xotl | I thought it was just weird |
| 14:10.33 | trousers_laptop | Britvic37: Eh? |
| 14:11.07 | Britvic37 | trousers_laptop: In one, possibly more, of the advets he plays his wife as well. |
| 14:11.26 | trousers_laptop | Ah, right, I never saw those |
| 14:12.12 | sabinef72 | morsing: I went in bed at 6:00 this morning..... |
| 14:12.17 | morsing | Nice |
| 14:12.27 | morsing | Why? |
| 14:12.32 | Britvic37 | But you must have, the "Dear" he refers to is ihis wife. |
| 14:13.02 | trousers_laptop | It is? Oh. Well I never saw him dress up as her, though |
| 14:13.13 | sabinef72 | morsing: I have a party |
| 14:13.18 | sabinef72 | had |
| 14:13.39 | morsing | And I wasn't invited? :( |
| 14:14.01 | sabinef72 | do you know what is "X" in France ? |
| 14:14.07 | morsing | No? |
| 14:14.18 | trousers_laptop | The third to last letter of the alphabet? |
| 14:14.28 | xotl | segolene royal? |
| 14:14.35 | sabinef72 | It's the best high school in France : Polytechnique calls again X |
| 14:15.16 | sabinef72 | there is no more high school in France |
| 14:15.26 | xotl | how come it doesnt have a proper name then? |
| 14:15.28 | sabinef72 | it was a party with some of them |
| 14:15.52 | sabinef72 | X because all of them are the top in mathematics |
| 14:16.06 | xotl | x means you got stuff wrong here |
| 14:16.35 | trousers_laptop | Hehe |
| 14:17.03 | sabinef72 | xotl: lol |
| 14:18.00 | xotl | how come you went to a school party? is it half term? |
| 14:18.10 | sabinef72 | well I'm a little bit unwedge ? |
| 14:18.16 | sabinef72 | so I'll eat a bit |
| 14:18.35 | sabinef72 | xotl: some of them are friends and we were only 7 |
| 14:19.00 | xotl | you are only 7? so it is like south park then |
| 14:19.59 | xotl | actually i think they are 8 in south park |
| 14:21.22 | morsing | Really? I thought Kenny died? |
| 14:21.49 | trousers_laptop | morsing: He's disposable and replacable |
| 14:22.19 | xotl | his guts are all over sabinef72's flat |
| 14:23.13 | trousers_laptop | Oh my God! She killed Kenny! |
| 14:23.22 | xotl | thats is why she is unwedge |
| 14:23.44 | sabinef72 | xotl: sorry I'm french and not yet fluent. It's not easy for me but I try my best |
| 14:24.05 | xotl | sabinef72 we are just kidding |
| 14:24.54 | sabinef72 | xotl: be careful ! morsing is my guardian angel |
| 14:25.25 | xotl | i thought of morsing as more of a cunning devil |
| 14:25.31 | trousers_laptop | Holy crap! BMX Bandit and Angel Summoner! |
| 14:25.52 | xotl | like the freebsd devil |
| 14:26.05 | trousers_laptop | xotl: It's not a devil, it's a ddaemon |
| 14:26.07 | sabinef72 | well.... I'll eat a bit |
| 14:26.07 | trousers_laptop | *daemon |
| 14:26.09 | sabinef72 | see ya ! |
| 14:26.20 | xotl | trousers: oh yeah |
| 14:26.32 | xotl | well he's a d(a)emon then |
| 14:27.00 | trousers_laptop | I think that's the whole joke of da{,e}mon |
| 14:27.07 | morsing | So no-one here owns an electronic dart board? |
| 14:27.35 | trousers_laptop | When is Sabine coming over? Dec 5th? |
| 14:27.36 | xotl | no because they're rubbish |
| 14:27.43 | morsing | 26th |
| 14:27.56 | morsing | xotl: They're not. My brother-in-law has one and it's fine |
| 14:28.07 | trousers_laptop | Ah, a Sunday, marvellous |
| 14:28.13 | xotl | how do the darts stick then |
| 14:28.19 | morsing | xotl: You can't really use a real one indoors |
| 14:28.24 | morsing | xotl: Small holes |
| 14:28.29 | xotl | i used to have a real one |
| 14:28.42 | xotl | now got holes in the wall where the darts went |
| 14:28.44 | morsing | I had a real one and loads of holes in my door |
| 14:28.47 | trousers_laptop | morsing: Yeah you can... You can't if everybody's slightly tipsy :) |
| 14:28.55 | xotl | morsing: lol |
| 14:29.11 | trousers_laptop | I have a magnetic one (and a few darts lying around) |
| 14:29.30 | sabinef72 | trousers: see the topic |
| 14:29.38 | trousers_laptop | sabinef72: Where? |
| 14:29.53 | xotl | channel topic says 25th |
| 14:30.07 | trousers_laptop | Ah, yes |
| 14:30.55 | trousers_laptop | I was just confused due to the website stating the 7th December |
| 14:31.30 | xotl | what is the difference between electonic and magnetic boards? |
| 14:31.51 | xotl | there's something on the 7th as well |
| 14:32.01 | morsing | Electronic have displays or voices to tell you the score |
| 14:32.06 | morsing | And they know the rules |
| 14:32.12 | morsing | And have different games |
| 14:32.25 | morsing | Magnetics do nothing |
| 14:32.27 | xotl | that's bad you can't add up wrong without ppl noticing then |
| 14:32.38 | morsing | Apart from avoiding holes in the wall |
| 14:32.39 | trousers_laptop | So it's like the difference between GPS and a map book... |
| 14:32.48 | morsing | trousers_laptop: Yes |
| 14:33.03 | xotl | i like darts |
| 14:33.13 | trousers_laptop | I'm a chess man myself |
| 14:33.21 | xotl | havent played for years though |
| 14:33.54 | xotl | darts are better for the pub |
| 14:34.13 | trousers_laptop | xotl: Are you sure? ;) |
| 14:34.17 | xotl | Kramnik is playing Deep Fritz in a few days |
| 14:34.33 | trousers_laptop | Interesting, but I don't follow professional chess really |
| 14:34.57 | trousers_laptop | I generally find spectating to be rather boring compared to involvment... |
| 14:35.03 | xotl | this is more interesting cos we get to see how good computers are at the moment |
| 14:35.52 | xotl | not sure if Kramnik is world no1 or no2 at the moment |
| 14:36.11 | trousers_laptop | No 1 I thought |
| 14:36.55 | xotl | does the green man have a darts board? |
| 14:37.01 | trousers_laptop | xotl, have we met, by the way? As in were you at last metting or the one before? |
| 14:37.09 | trousers_laptop | *meeting |
| 14:37.18 | xotl | i was at the last meeting but i didn't go to the pub |
| 14:37.27 | trousers_laptop | Why not? |
| 14:37.27 | xotl | so i didnt meet you |
| 14:37.44 | xotl | i made the mistake of following mozrat's directions |
| 14:37.59 | trousers_laptop | Did you get lost with anyone? |
| 14:38.10 | xotl | got lost, but i only had 20 mins anyway so i didnt bother |
| 14:38.24 | trousers_laptop | Oh, I got lost with some guy who I can't remember the name of |
| 14:38.29 | xotl | next time i'll try and find someone who knows where it is |
| 14:38.52 | xotl | lol did you follow the directions too? |
| 14:39.05 | trousers_laptop | The actual directions are left, then left at the end of the university. Then keep walking until you meet the main road then left again |
| 14:39.30 | trousers_laptop | xotl: Yes, but then I went back to the university and one of the guys showed me the way |
| 14:39.36 | xotl | i just got left and left again, but i seemed to be in entirely the wrong direction so i don't know if he was talking about a different exit or what |
| 14:40.59 | trousers_laptop | Indeed |
| 14:41.04 | xotl | we should play darts if they have it |
| 14:41.15 | trousers_laptop | Mm |
| 14:41.32 | xotl | doubt many places let you in london these days |
| 14:41.33 | morsing | Nice |
| 14:41.54 | xotl | morsing will be too good as he will have practiced on his electronic board |
| 14:43.30 | trousers_laptop | xotl: I wandered around with this guy for about 20 mins, then he left and then I finally bumped into somebody who knew the way... If only he'd hung around a bit longer |
| 14:44.01 | xotl | 20mins? lol it was pretty cold if i remember rightly |
| 14:44.05 | keithlard_ | ooh chess |
| 14:44.21 | trousers_laptop | keithlard_: Were you there? I didn't bump into you |
| 14:44.33 | trousers_laptop | I know most people on IRC but I don't ever get to talk to them :() |
| 14:44.34 | keithlard_ | naw, i missed it :( |
| 14:44.37 | trousers_laptop | *:( |
| 14:44.44 | trousers_laptop | xotl: Not too cold |
| 14:44.53 | morsing | xotl: It's a christmas present |
| 14:45.08 | xotl | morsing: that you are buying or asking for? |
| 14:45.18 | morsing | Buying |
| 14:45.32 | xotl | oh. you'll have to buy 2 then |
| 14:45.51 | morsing | Hmm... My brother-in-laws cost about £70-80 |
| 14:46.05 | morsing | I've found some extremely cheap ones like £12 |
| 14:46.18 | morsing | An one that I think looks ok for £40 |
| 14:46.24 | xotl | they probably dont have a good announcing voice |
| 14:46.31 | morsing | Is £40 too much to spend on a friend? |
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| 14:46.45 | morsing | xotl: One of them had Bart and homer voices |
| 14:46.47 | morsing | Britvic37! |
| 14:46.49 | xotl | yes. unless you're rich |
| 14:46.54 | morsing | xotl: Hmm... |
| 14:47.00 | Britvic37 | Bah! Damn network! |
| 14:47.03 | morsing | Even a good friend? |
| 14:47.10 | xotl | just buy him the darts instead and let him buy the board |
| 14:47.25 | morsing | xotl: You're not serious are you? |
| 14:47.28 | trousers_laptop | Hehe |
| 14:47.39 | xotl | just buy one dart cos the others look the same |
| 14:47.55 | xotl | so he wont be any more grateful |
| 14:47.57 | morsing | How do I find out if a £40 board is good quality and works? |
| 14:48.05 | morsing | I don't want to give him crap |
| 14:48.16 | morsing | But I can't find any reviews |
| 14:48.21 | xotl | go to the department store and queue up with 100 other kids trying out stuff |
| 14:48.27 | morsing | http://www.activetoys.co.uk/ishop/955/shopscr1359.html |
| 14:48.34 | xotl | i mean not that you're a kid but anyway |
| 14:48.59 | trousers_laptop | How hard is it being a sysadmin? |
| 14:49.01 | xotl | you'll have to try it. there wont be any reliable reviews for that kind of thing i wouldn't have thought |
| 14:49.27 | xotl | not as hard as hitting 180 |
| 14:49.45 | trousers_laptop | That doesn't put it into persepctive, really |
| 14:50.00 | morsing | trousers_laptop: Piece of cake... |
| 14:50.06 | xotl | anyway morsing it'll be a fun day out looking round the store at christams |
| 14:50.07 | morsing | Right Leeds and cpufreak? |
| 14:50.10 | trousers_laptop | morsing: Even for me? |
| 14:50.15 | morsing | trousers_laptop: Yup |
| 14:50.38 | morsing | xotl: I'm going to Hamleys on Saturday |
| 14:51.03 | xotl | let us know the latest in dartboard technology then |
| 14:51.03 | trousers_laptop | I've only ever really run a server with PHP, MySQl and PHP amongst some other things... But if I can get a Summer job as a sysadmin or whatever it'd be cool |
| 14:51.33 | xotl | you mean next saturday? |
| 14:51.39 | morsing | xotl: What do you think of the one in the link? |
| 14:51.42 | morsing | xotl: Yes |
| 14:51.52 | trousers_laptop | Oh yes, Saturday sorry |
| 14:52.01 | xotl | let me see... |
| 14:52.42 | morsing | Doesn't say much... |
| 14:52.49 | xotl | they should have a bigger picture of it |
| 14:53.19 | xotl | i would worry about how reliable the technology was. like does it always properly register the scores |
| 14:53.31 | xotl | the triple score bit is a pretty small area |
| 14:53.52 | morsing | xotl: I tried my brother-in-laws and it was fine |
| 14:53.54 | xotl | i can imagine the darts not sticking properly and stuff |
| 14:54.02 | morsing | But I can't remember what brand it was |
| 14:54.17 | xotl | yeah but you said it was 70-80 quid for his model right |
| 14:55.03 | morsing | YEs |
| 14:55.11 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 14:55.20 | xotl | just wait till you get to hamleys |
| 15:11.42 | trousers | Hmm, where can I find a job? >:( |
| 15:13.01 | morsing | trousers_laptop: We're desperately loking |
| 15:13.04 | morsing | looking |
| 15:13.09 | morsing | Where do you live? |
| 15:13.20 | trousers | You are? *Is touched* Kingston upon Thames? |
| 15:13.33 | morsing | We're in Staines |
| 15:13.35 | morsing | :) |
| 15:13.45 | morsing | What experience do you have? |
| 15:13.47 | trousers | Oh, I see, you mean your company needs one |
| 15:13.54 | trousers | Errr, none? ;) |
| 15:14.14 | trousers | I'm 15 and have never had a job |
| 15:14.14 | morsing | Cool. You can work in first line and move on from there |
| 15:14.21 | trousers | First line? |
| 15:14.26 | morsing | Ahh... Maybe 15 is a bit young |
| 15:14.51 | trousers | I knew I shouldn't have said that :( |
| 15:14.56 | morsing | http://www.attenda.com/who/vacancies.aspx#7 |
| 15:15.56 | morsing | It's not sysadmin though but it's the right start |
| 15:16.18 | morsing | One of my sysadmin colleagues starting in first line |
| 15:17.32 | trousers | What is first line, though? |
| 15:17.57 | morsing | Monitoring and dealing with customer issues |
| 15:18.04 | trousers | Oh, right |
| 15:18.20 | morsing | Well, we all have to start somewhere |
| 15:18.47 | trousers | ANd what is "KVM control" supposed to mean, does it seriously mean how to use a keyboard, monitor and mouse? |
| 15:19.25 | morsing | Looks like it |
| 15:19.33 | morsing | It's not a super technical role |
| 15:19.57 | morsing | But if you're bright it's easy to advance from there |
| 15:20.16 | morsing | I'm not trying to sell it though, if it's not you... |
| 15:21.06 | trousers | Would I get paid? |
| 15:21.44 | morsing | Ha ha... Yes. |
| 15:21.52 | morsing | It's shift work though |
| 15:21.59 | trousers | Funky, I'll think about it |
| 15:22.02 | morsing | I think it pays quite well |
| 15:22.09 | morsing | But I'm not sure |
| 15:22.40 | morsing | ping mozzie |
| 15:22.44 | morsing | ping Leeds |
| 15:23.13 | trousers | You realise I wouldn't be able to do it for large amounts of time (except for the Summer holidays) due to school? |
| 15:23.24 | morsing | Ahh... Forgot about that |
| 15:23.40 | morsing | Probably not a good idea though. Take some time to get trained |
| 15:24.12 | trousers | Trained in...? |
| 15:26.06 | trousers | And how? Actually do a course which they extort you for? |
| 15:37.47 | morsing | Uhh... No |
| 15:37.55 | morsing | Trained on the job |
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| 15:51.55 | trousers_laptop | Ahh, right |
| 16:04.17 | goibhniu | my laptop screen replacement arrived (after 3 weeks) ... it's not compatible ... damn americans |
| 16:46.04 | boudiccas | ook? |
| 16:46.53 | morsing | boudiccas! |
| 16:47.01 | morsing | boudiccas: How are the kids? |
| 16:47.32 | boudiccas | last i heard, okay |
| 16:50.00 | morsing | boudiccas: Feeding time yet? |
| 16:50.32 | morsing | http://www.dartmoor-npa.gov.uk/index/visiting/vi-enjoyingdartmoor/vi-wildcamping.htm |
| 16:53.31 | boudiccas | just started getting tea on the go :) |
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| 17:18.52 | secretlondon | ello |
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| 17:21.58 | morsing | secretlondon!! |
| 17:22.07 | secretlondon | morsing! |
| 17:25.30 | trousers_laptop | secretlondon: You know those Sun servers you have, can they run off a standard monitor? |
| 17:27.12 | secretlondon | trousers_laptop: they are workstations not servers - they apparently can't with an appropriate conversion cable |
| 17:27.12 | secretlondon | can |
| 17:27.12 | secretlondon | -'t |
| 17:27.20 | secretlondon | you'd need a weirdo-proprietary-format <->vga cable |
| 17:27.43 | Cope | trousers_laptop: yes, you can |
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| 17:28.04 | Cope | they have a fixed refresh rate though |
| 17:28.11 | Cope | and you need a 13W3 - VGA convertor |
| 17:29.24 | morsing | keithlard! |
| 17:30.25 | secretlondon | lard! |
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| 17:35.51 | rhowe | 17:34 [freenode] -!- rhowe [n=rhowe@80-41-181-171.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] |
| 17:35.51 | rhowe | 17:34 [freenode] -!- ircname : Russell Howe |
| 17:35.59 | rhowe | odd |
| 17:36.26 | rhowe | Most definitely not me, although maybe that was my address when Enta kicked all their users offline? |
| 17:41.31 | trousers_laptop | secretlondon: Workstations that can be used a servers :) |
| 17:41.59 | secretlondon | trousers_laptop: of course. they do make sparcsevers as well as sparcstations. mine are sparcstations |
| 17:44.39 | trousers_laptop | They're sparc32, correct? |
| 17:46.22 | secretlondon | yep |
| 17:46.29 | secretlondon | sparcstation20s |
| 17:46.55 | secretlondon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARCstation_20 |
| 17:50.59 | morsing | Check it! |
| 18:00.04 | trousers_laptop | Well, can you put one aside for me and I'll inform you of next time I come to a meeting? |
| 18:00.51 | secretlondon | trousers_laptop: ok. I haven't checked that they all work or anything btw |
| 18:01.47 | trousers_laptop | secretlondon: I can always cannibalise any parts that do :) |
| 18:01.54 | secretlondon | :) |
| 18:02.16 | secretlondon | they are all non-standard buses - MBUS, SBUS etc. |
| 18:04.04 | morsing | Beer |
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| 18:06.13 | morsing | JohnDoe666! |
| 18:14.51 | morsing | secretlondon: At the pub? |
| 18:15.01 | secretlondon | morsing: too poor |
| 18:15.20 | boudiccas | make your own, 17p a pint! |
| 18:17.33 | secretlondon | boudiccas: i was thinking of the middle ground of the off license/7-11 |
| 18:17.41 | keithlard_ | cope! |
| 18:22.55 | secretlondon | also if I spend money this weekend then I may not have enough for sabine's visit next weekend |
| 18:23.00 | secretlondon | which would be tragic |
| 18:28.09 | murb | boudiccas: when you can buy proper stuff for less than a euro a litre? |
| 18:32.37 | morsing | ~seen Leeds |
| 18:32.57 | ibot | leeds is currently on #gllug (5h 14m 10s) #handhelds.org (5h 14m 10s), last said: 'session manager++ - I just managed to accidentally close a firefox window with about 30 tabs open'. |
| 18:34.46 | trousers_laptop | boudiccas: Where is there a decent guide to make your own beer? |
| 18:36.46 | morsing | ibot wake Leeds |
| 18:36.53 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on Leeds and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 18:38.03 | goibhniu | trousers_laptop: the only difficult part about making beer is waiting the 10 days until it has enough alcohol in it |
| 18:40.02 | morsing | goibhniu: Nice |
| 18:43.44 | goibhniu | yeah ... sometimes flashing text IS appropriate |
| 18:45.56 | goibhniu | secretlondon: It's really easy and fulfilling ... your room smells like a brewery for a couple of weeks and then you get drunk and violent with anybody who doesn't like the way it tastes |
| 18:47.13 | goibhniu | oops ... I meant trousers_laptop ^^ |
| 18:51.01 | morsing | goibhniu: Coffee? |
| 18:54.30 | goibhniu | morsing: thanks, I just had one though |
| 18:55.05 | goibhniu | morsing: what laptop should I buy? |
| 18:58.09 | morsing | goibhniu: Compaq 850 |
| 18:58.52 | trousers_laptop | goibhniu: Link? |
| 19:01.32 | goibhniu | trousers_laptop: alas, it's long gone ... it's easy though ... you need a can of your choice of beer gunk, a couple of kilos of sugar, hot water and a big (food safe plastic) bucket |
| 19:01.58 | goibhniu | I knew some people who made it in a black bin once .. I didn't taste it myself |
| 19:04.27 | goibhniu | morsing: that's a nice machine ... a proper nipple on it too |
| 19:04.54 | morsing | Mmm... screen session don't pickup changes to groups |
| 19:06.29 | morsing | Why? |
| 19:06.58 | morsing | I don't get this |
| 19:07.27 | keithlard_ | your EGID is inherited |
| 19:07.27 | morsing | My screen sessions have different group to the login session |
| 19:07.33 | morsing | keithlard_: From? |
| 19:07.42 | keithlard_ | usually you have to start a new login shell if you want to pick up group changes |
| 19:07.43 | morsing | I've logged out completely |
| 19:07.50 | morsing | Yes - which I did |
| 19:07.56 | rhowe | morsing: Including closing screen, and restarting it? |
| 19:08.01 | rhowe | (not just detaching) |
| 19:08.22 | morsing | rhowe: That would mean leaving IRC |
| 19:08.24 | morsing | :( |
| 19:08.43 | keithlard_ | just start a new login shell within screen, does that work? |
| 19:09.15 | morsing | keithlard_: No |
| 19:09.22 | morsing | *sigh* |
| 19:09.26 | morsing | See you all in a sec |
| 19:10.00 | *** join/#gllug morsing (n=morsing@emil.morsing.cc) |
| 19:10.39 | morsing | The nickname [morsing] is already registered |
| 19:10.40 | morsing | The nickname [morsing] is already registered?? |
| 19:10.54 | morsing | rhowe? |
| 19:11.44 | morsing | THANKS! |
| 19:12.04 | rhowe | Did that work? |
| 19:12.16 | rhowe | morsing: identify, not register |
| 19:12.37 | morsing | YEs - it worked |
| 19:12.42 | morsing | I identified... |
| 19:12.49 | morsing | rhowe: Why are you ignoring me? |
| 19:12.59 | rhowe | Because I'm eating :P |
| 19:13.16 | keithlard_ | actually, all you needed to do was 'su - morsing' |
| 19:13.43 | keithlard_ | from the 'that-would-have-been-helpful-2-minutes-ago' department |
| 19:14.45 | rhowe | hmm.. I wonder what happens if you set your shell to screen and then run screen? :) |
| 19:15.21 | keithlard_ | hehe |
| 19:15.59 | keithlard_ | what happens if you set your shell to 'login'? |
| 19:18.23 | morsing | rhowe: How's George? |
| 19:24.22 | keithlard_ | assert_not_nil( true, output =~ /Sources: *2/ ) |
| 19:24.26 | keithlard_ | is likely to always succeed... |
| 19:24.51 | rhowe | mmm |
| 19:25.13 | rhowe | popcorn |
| 19:25.33 | keithlard_ | i was just thinking the same thing |
| 19:28.11 | keithlard_ | or a tasty casserole of winter vegertables |
| 19:29.35 | trousers_laptop | On the mailing list, do you receive a digest as well as the individual messages? |
| 19:29.42 | rhowe | What kind of table is a vegertable? |
| 19:29.49 | secretlondon | no - just invididual messages |
| 19:30.25 | keithlard_ | rhowe> a healthy one obviously |
| 19:34.31 | secretlondon | rhowe: one you can grow in your garden |
| 19:34.56 | secretlondon | this is how ikea makes it's furniture - they have plantations in the developing world |
| 19:38.00 | keithlard_ | today's scariest keywords: 'adopt a pet for myspace', 'pictures of abused cats', 'nude old grannys', 'tick head under skin', and 'cum swallowing lessons' |
| 19:38.14 | keithlard_ | it all sounds like a fun-packed evening in |
| 19:39.11 | psnl | keithlard_: what is your job? |
| 19:40.27 | keithlard_ | i work for a company that tracks web searches |
| 19:40.52 | keithlard_ | reading the search data is pretty entertaining |
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| 19:42.20 | secretlondon | keithlard_ : is cat abuse in currently? |
| 19:42.26 | keithlard_ | seems that way |
| 19:42.57 | keithlard_ | http://www.wordtracker.com/topkeywords.html |
| 19:45.35 | keithlard_ | i mean i've heard of adult education, but surely... |
| 19:45.47 | secretlondon | keithlard_: because of the taste? |
| 19:46.14 | secretlondon | I suspect they were looking for photos though really. - of braindead US barbies giving blow jobs |
| 19:46.27 | secretlondon | in some fake school discipline session |
| 19:46.37 | keithlard_ | i'm reliably informed by numerous spam emails that you can take various supplements to flavour the, er, output |
| 19:46.53 | secretlondon | keithlard_: and volume too, apparently |
| 19:47.28 | keithlard_ | surely most intellergent women would prefer quality over quantity |
| 19:48.00 | secretlondon | keithlard_: I think ALL women prefer quality over quality. I think the volume thing is some cat-like terretorial marking thing |
| 19:48.22 | secretlondon | "oh you are so virile! 3 litres!" |
| 19:48.27 | keithlard_ | that certainly invokes a worrisome mental image |
| 19:48.48 | keithlard_ | i won't be able to pass a lamppost now without thinking about that |
| 19:49.48 | keithlard_ | i should think that someone who's deeply concerned about increasing the volume of their ejaculate is not the person who does the laundry in the house |
| 19:50.46 | secretlondon | keithlard_: that being their mother I presume |
| 19:51.01 | keithlard_ | i suspect you're right |
| 19:52.02 | keithlard_ | i bet most porn movies are made with special effects |
| 19:52.23 | morsing | Nice |
| 19:52.41 | keithlard_ | there's a concealed bit of rubber tubing and a member of the crew squeezing a rubber bulb full of Anchor dairy cream |
| 19:52.48 | keithlard_ | somewhere out of shot, as it were |
| 19:53.10 | secretlondon | keithlard_: you can probably buy powdered substitute |
| 19:53.19 | secretlondon | although I'm not going to google for it |
| 19:53.23 | keithlard_ | ...i shouldn't have started this topic :D |
| 19:53.44 | morsing | You really should't... |
| 19:54.08 | Leeds | hey hey! |
| 19:57.23 | trousers_ | How do you have an empty rave exactly? |
| 19:57.45 | Leeds | bar, DJ, beach, almost nobody there |
| 19:58.01 | trousers_laptop | Arf |
| 19:59.11 | Leeds | we went for dinner at the Black Sheep pizza restaurant in Shek O, then on to the bar at the back beach for a while, then moved on to 'a party' at Big Wave Bay up the road - turned out to be a DJ happily making loud annoying music, and - at most - 5 or 6 people dancing |
| 19:59.46 | Leeds | it was one of those nights where you start with 15 people at dinner and end up with just you, Maisie, Cathy and Becks |
| 20:00.22 | Leeds | this is a good thing :-) |
| 20:03.20 | morsing | Leeds: Nice |
| 20:04.12 | Leeds | it was... very nice :-) |
| 20:04.44 | Leeds | well, you know, apart from it being a leaving do for Maisie, who's off back to New York tomorrow (aka later today - it's 4am here) |
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| 20:09.56 | Leeds | I had curry yesterday... |
| 20:11.55 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 20:12.05 | catalyst | heyo |
| 20:12.19 | catalyst | though watford lost /o\ but my dad paid so yay \o/ |
| 20:12.26 | Leeds | bloody watford |
| 20:14.18 | catalyst | bloody Leeds ;p |
| 20:14.38 | Leeds | Leeds didn't keep Watford out of the premiership... |
| 20:14.56 | Leeds | also, I worked in Watford for 6 years, drove past the crappy stadium many times |
| 20:15.09 | catalyst | better than Portsmouth's |
| 20:15.24 | catalyst | and we didn't keep Leeds out of the premiership, we reached it on merit by being better than them o/ |
| 20:15.46 | catalyst | though merit doesn't count for much when the refs are all on the top teams' side |
| 20:20.36 | Leeds | I saw the match - had to hunt it down - and, well... yeah, I think Watford deserved the win |
| 20:31.18 | catalyst | I saw the match, I was there ;p |
| 20:33.51 | morsing | Mmm... 12V LEDs |
| 20:34.32 | morsing | What's SB? |
| 20:35.23 | morsing | keithlard_? |
| 20:39.02 | Leeds | hmm... sushi... that's Sunday's lunch sorted, I think |
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| 20:39.10 | morsing | YoussefAssad! |
| 20:39.16 | YoussefAssad | hullo :) |
| 20:39.33 | Leeds | morning Joseph |
| 20:39.49 | YoussefAssad | heh |
| 20:39.58 | YoussefAssad | Busted in 10 seconds, I am. Hello there |
| 20:40.35 | morsing | Leeds: Why are LEDs always 5V? |
| 20:40.47 | Leeds | because the lizard overlords say so |
| 20:41.01 | wethrin | morsing: Some are 3.3V |
| 20:41.10 | morsing | Why not 48V? |
| 20:41.15 | morsing | wethrin: And what's SB? |
| 20:41.34 | wethrin | SB? |
| 20:41.50 | wethrin | Because 48V is a lot to stick across a silicon p-n juntion |
| 20:41.54 | wethrin | *junction |
| 20:42.10 | Leeds | YoussefAssad: how has your weekend been? |
| 20:42.12 | morsing | http://www.maplin.co.uk/Search.aspx?criteria=CK49D&C=SEO&U=Strat10&doy=search |
| 20:42.15 | morsing | wethrin: |
| 20:42.19 | wethrin | 5V is enough to drive Si transistors into their saturation mode |
| 20:42.34 | morsing | Nice |
| 20:43.27 | YoussefAssad | Leeds: long. Birthday off on thursday, then yesterday and today. Weekend down here in Egypt's Friday Saturday |
| 20:43.33 | YoussefAssad | Leeds: yours? |
| 20:44.24 | morsing | THE TOMATO! |
| 20:44.49 | Leeds | oh, you're in Egypt? Cool |
| 20:45.01 | morsing | wethrin: So what's SB then> |
| 20:45.03 | morsing | ? |
| 20:45.21 | wethrin | In what context? |
| 20:45.36 | YoussefAssad | Leeds: for a few months yet. Should be moving to London, I hope |
| 20:45.45 | YoussefAssad | You could say I'm between LUGs |
| 20:45.48 | Leeds | weekend here in Hong Kong is officially just Sunday, but a lot of places have Saturday off as well... I didn't go to the synagogue on Saturday morning, but should have done, went to the gym in the afternoon, then out for dinner/drinks/beach for a friend's leaving do |
| 20:46.30 | YoussefAssad | Leeds: HK you lucky man; I lived there 92-94 |
| 20:46.56 | Leeds | you get around :-) |
| 20:47.00 | YoussefAssad | Was in that odd school called Li Po Chun |
| 20:47.07 | wethrin | keithlard_: Metal nut? |
| 20:47.10 | YoussefAssad | you could say so, yes :) |
| 20:47.10 | Leeds | don't know it... |
| 20:47.21 | YoussefAssad | Leeds: out in sha tin, on the road to Sai Kung |
| 20:47.32 | keithlard_ | no, pistachio! |
| 20:47.44 | Leeds | ah right - I've only been out that way once or twice... this evening I was in Shek O, down south-east on the island |
| 20:48.31 | YoussefAssad | not much to see there, unless it's hiking you're after or fresh fish |
| 20:48.50 | Leeds | good company and nice beaches :-) |
| 20:48.56 | wethrin | morsing: ping? |
| 20:49.08 | *** join/#gllug macooo (n=veeragan@host-87-74-40-111.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 20:49.29 | YoussefAssad | there you go :) |
| 20:49.35 | macooo | hi all |
| 20:49.41 | Leeds | anyway, given that it's nearly 5am, I really should try to get some sleep... YoussefAssad - nice to meet you, hang around :-) |
| 20:49.49 | wethrin | g'night Leeds |
| 20:49.53 | wethrin | hi macooo |
| 20:49.57 | Leeds | night wethrin, all |
| 20:50.02 | YoussefAssad | likewise Leeds , g'night |
| 20:50.10 | wethrin | keithlard_: It goes mad? |
| 20:50.26 | macooo | any one here, some U.K websites for finding voluntary jobs |
| 20:50.44 | macooo | in I.T |
| 20:50.45 | keithlard_ | wethrin> the resulting power drain was so immense that for a moment, the great nebula in orion dimmed slightly |
| 20:51.32 | YoussefAssad | macooo: I've been looking myself, though I might be beyond the stage where I do volunteer work. Try idealist.org |
| 20:51.39 | wethrin | Hm. That would explain the general dimness of the universe today |
| 20:51.44 | keithlard_ | no, but i did see someone try to run vi inside a process buffer in emacs. that was funny. |
| 20:51.47 | trousers_laptop | Howdy all |
| 20:51.58 | keithlard_ | what up t_l |
| 20:52.19 | wethrin | m-x viper |
| 20:52.55 | keithlard_ | C-x C-c 'apt-get remove emacs' ln -s /usr/bin/vi /usr/bin/sensible-editor |
| 20:53.12 | trousers_laptop | Heretic! |
| 20:53.22 | YoussefAssad | ooooh, a fellow vi adherent |
| 20:54.08 | trousers_laptop | Hehe, I've been learning vi, it's quite fluffy once you get to know it |
| 20:54.13 | wethrin | export VISUAL=vim |
| 20:54.25 | wethrin | I've never heard vi described as fluffy before |
| 20:55.10 | keithlard_ | ah! that's very helpful |
| 20:55.10 | wethrin | Ahh, buffers :) |
| 20:55.29 | wethrin | What? Describing vi as fluffy? |
| 20:55.43 | keithlard_ | well, i've been using vi for about 20 years and until recently i didn't know it had buffers... |
| 20:55.59 | keithlard_ | so now i am extra happy |
| 20:56.06 | wethrin | keithlard_: Certainly, if vim = emacs :) |
| 20:56.06 | trousers_laptop | What do buffers do? |
| 20:56.13 | wethrin | buffer thins |
| 20:56.15 | wethrin | *things |
| 20:56.25 | keithlard_ | it just means you can have more than one file open at once |
| 20:56.28 | trousers_laptop | Thank you, I am now enlightened |
| 20:56.43 | YoussefAssad | I'll take :vsplit and :split over buffers any day |
| 20:56.49 | morsing | wethrin? |
| 20:56.55 | keithlard_ | i use windows as well |
| 20:57.01 | wethrin | morsing: What context is 'SB' in? |
| 20:57.25 | keithlard_ | the main ace thing about buffers is you can very quickly switch between files by typing just enough of the filename to disambiguate it |
| 20:57.39 | wethrin | yarr, that's nice |
| 20:57.50 | keithlard_ | if you're working on a project with lots of source files it's really handy |
| 20:58.12 | keithlard_ | also ctags |
| 20:58.33 | wethrin | emacs also integrates nicely with CVS |
| 20:58.37 | keithlard_ | and with ruby support compiled in if there is anything vim does not do, i can script it in ruby |
| 20:58.44 | YoussefAssad | I turned one of my engineers on to vim with :TOhtml |
| 20:59.01 | keithlard_ | youssefassad> what does that do? |
| 20:59.49 | YoussefAssad | keithlard_: exports to a html file, formatted to your current :colorscheme. Very pretty |
| 20:59.58 | keithlard_ | oh! now that IS nice |
| 21:00.47 | keithlard_ | which is similar, but i had to go to some trouble to replicate the nice ruby syntax scheme i've got set up :> |
| 21:01.38 | YoussefAssad | Sounds like approximately the same as :TOhtml... |
| 21:01.49 | wethrin | CURRY |
| 21:02.05 | keithlard_ | one thing i would reely like as a vim plugin is what you might call 'syntax completion' |
| 21:02.33 | keithlard_ | like in textmate if you type 'if' and the complete key it puts in 'if CONDITION... else... end' and so forth |
| 21:02.46 | keithlard_ | i'm forever forgetting my closing 'end's |
| 21:02.57 | wethrin | That's very Pascal-like of you |
| 21:03.02 | wethrin | end; end; end. |
| 21:03.05 | morsing | Hmm... The design of ebay.com has changed dramatically |
| 21:03.19 | keithlard_ | well, python is super because you don't have to bother about that |
| 21:03.26 | wethrin | morsing: SB doesn't mean 'SoundBlaster' in your context does it? |
| 21:03.38 | keithlard_ | but on the other hand you lose the ability to lay out code very flexibly that you have in ruby |
| 21:03.58 | YoussefAssad | keithlard_: hm. Have you checked vim.org's scripts ection? Doesn't sound like an itch which might have gone unscratched for long |
| 21:04.19 | keithlard_ | there's a lot of them! ;D |
| 21:04.24 | keithlard_ | but i haven't seen anything like that |
| 21:04.38 | morsing | wethrin: Read the link |
| 21:04.42 | wethrin | morsing: What link? |
| 21:04.55 | morsing | *sigh* Wait a sec |
| 21:05.10 | wethrin | It's too far in scrollback to find |
| 21:05.12 | morsing | http://www.maplin.co.uk/Search.aspx?criteria=CK49D&C=SEO&U=Strat10&doy=search |
| 21:05.15 | keithlard_ | i already think it's pretty futuristic that it can work out what class some variable is and offer me the appropriate method completions on ^X ^O |
| 21:05.42 | keithlard_ | if i leave it running while i go to the shops it'll probably write my code for me |
| 21:06.34 | morsing | wethrin? |
| 21:07.04 | wethrin | Super Bright |
| 21:07.10 | morsing | Ahh... |
| 21:07.17 | morsing | How did youo figure that out? |
| 21:07.28 | YoussefAssad | keithlard_: the omni-complete does fail me in python sometimes |
| 21:07.32 | wethrin | Click on the link that says 'View', and scroll down a bit |
| 21:07.53 | wethrin | Okay. I'm off to the pub. Bye! |
| 21:07.57 | keithlard_ | byeee! |
| 21:10.27 | keithlard_ | rar! |
| 21:10.30 | morsing | secretlondon: Enough for all of us? |
| 21:10.42 | secretlondon | maybe the beer, not the curry |
| 21:11.50 | secretlondon | they had an offer on so i bought 8 cans - however its still lager |
| 21:15.24 | keithlard_ | is there a way to kill a query in mysql? |
| 21:16.49 | keithlard_ | without killing the whole db obviously |
| 21:17.34 | YoussefAssad | SHOW PROCESSLIST; |
| 21:17.43 | YoussefAssad | KILL $NUMBER_OF_QUERY; |
| 21:17.56 | keithlard_ | ah - i just read the manual ;D |
| 21:18.02 | keithlard_ | i was hoping it wouldn't have to come to that |
| 21:18.24 | YoussefAssad | well, that is pretty specific to the client query, the database still stays up |
| 21:18.36 | keithlard_ | no i mean i was hoping i wouldn't have to read the manual |
| 21:19.23 | keithlard_ | i can't figure out why this query is taking so massively long |
| 21:20.21 | keithlard_ | something's not hitting the index it's supposed to |
| 21:25.24 | YoussefAssad | erm, how far is Guilford from London? |
| 21:25.31 | YoussefAssad | (pardon my ignorance) |
| 21:26.36 | morsing | How do I get a large item shipped from the US? |
| 21:26.36 | morsing | And how do I find out how much it will be? |
| 21:26.43 | secretlondon | YoussefAssad: not a clue |
| 21:26.57 | morsing | secretlondon: How about my question? |
| 21:26.58 | secretlondon | morsing: google for an international shipping co? |
| 21:27.04 | morsing | Nice |
| 21:28.04 | boudiccas | morsing; talk to pickfords |
| 21:28.15 | secretlondon | or tnt or someone |
| 21:28.32 | boudiccas | ups would be my favourite as they operate in both countries |
| 21:29.12 | morsing | Seller in US says UPS wont take such a large item |
| 21:29.42 | secretlondon | check with ups's web site |
| 21:29.44 | boudiccas | how big is it? |
| 21:29.49 | morsing | Bench seat |
| 21:29.54 | morsing | Small sofa size |
| 21:31.12 | morsing | Pickfords look a bit extreme? It's a moving company |
| 21:31.53 | boudiccas | if they are moving someone to the states, it saves them coming back completely empty and not earning money |
| 21:32.14 | boudiccas | try TNT |
| 21:34.56 | secretlondon | I wonder whether I should tell the seller than BSD !=linux |
| 21:36.54 | secretlondon | but I can't imagine that many people search for bsd on ebay, compared to linux |
| 21:37.13 | secretlondon | so I don't really blame him for selling it as linux |
| 21:41.46 | morsing | Ha ha... £600 says TNT. For a £150 item... |
| 21:42.37 | secretlondon | morsing: I was expecting it would cost more to ship than it costs to buy |
| 21:42.46 | morsing | S |
| 21:42.51 | morsing | StillS |
| 21:44.13 | YoussefAssad | bloody hell, why does every compay hve to have its own format for applying for vacancies... |
| 21:45.08 | morsing | secretlondon: Find a personal website for someone moving to the UK, nowehere near as expensive |
| 21:45.30 | morsing | s/find/found/ |
| 21:45.34 | morsing | Duh |
| 21:54.25 | *** join/#gllug boudiccas (n=boudicca@88-108-113-22.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 22:02.36 | macooo | any body got mac book pro |
| 22:02.47 | macooo | i m trying to run slack |
| 22:02.48 | macooo | any advice |
| 22:03.59 | *** join/#gllug catalyst (n=catalyst@allegro/user/angelchild) |
| 22:19.48 | goibhniu | macooo: not workin? |
| 22:20.49 | goibhniu | is it slackintosh you're trying? |
| 22:21.44 | macooo | yes dude |
| 22:22.07 | macooo | the new mactel |
| 22:22.53 | secretlondon | ah - I know that some distros have probs with the new intel macs |
| 22:23.18 | goibhniu | all I heard is that it will work ok, but the wifi drivers are a bit dodgy and it can just about handle the nice wobbly windows stuff but not very well |
| 22:23.22 | secretlondon | don't presume it behaves the same way as a mac |
| 22:25.03 | macooo | the mactel's are more powerful than the g4 powerbook |
| 22:25.08 | macooo | is'nt it? |
| 22:25.14 | goibhniu | yep |
| 22:25.20 | goibhniu | where's it failing? |
| 22:26.27 | boudiccas | if i press CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE i get to the x login. from there how can i get back into my kde session please? |
| 22:26.29 | macooo | since the mactel uses efi instead of bios |
| 22:26.59 | macooo | i am able to install everything |
| 22:27.05 | macooo | but installing lilo |
| 22:27.12 | macooo | is the tricky one |
| 22:27.27 | macooo | boot camp doesnt support lilo |
| 22:28.30 | goibhniu | boudiccas: you use kdm to start kde normally? |
| 22:28.50 | goibhniu | and when you log in it doesn't work? |
| 22:29.22 | goibhniu | macooo: I assume you've read up on this ... I haven' |
| 22:29.22 | boudiccas | it normally seems to skip the x login [or else it doesn't display it] but goes straight to the kde login |
| 22:29.24 | goibhniu | t any experience with it myself |
| 22:30.07 | goibhniu | boudiccas: maybe switch to vt1 and kill kde X and then start kde again? |
| 22:30.34 | boudiccas | no, if i press CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE now, i get dumped back at the x login. i can enter my nick and my password and i then get to a bash-like prompt, but how do i get back into my current kde session please? |
| 22:30.35 | goibhniu | oh and kdm |
| 22:30.52 | goibhniu | can you run kdm? |
| 22:31.00 | goibhniu | that should be your kde login I believe |
| 22:31.11 | boudiccas | i don't know, i've never tried it |
| 22:31.43 | boudiccas | Sat Nov 18 22:31:13 @~]$ kdm |
| 22:31.43 | boudiccas | Only root wants to run kdm |
| 22:31.50 | goibhniu | yep |
| 22:32.43 | goibhniu | macooo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBook ... looks recent |
| 22:32.55 | boudiccas | so at the x prompt i log in as root and enter roots password, and then enter kdm at the prompt. And assuming it works, I'm now logged in as root |
| 22:33.01 | macooo | thanx goibhniu |
| 22:33.14 | boudiccas | and not myself :( |
| 22:33.25 | goibhniu | boudiccas: that will start your kdm login prompt thing |
| 22:33.40 | boudiccas | k, ty |
| 22:34.22 | macooo | any dudes from london |
| 22:34.33 | secretlondon | yeah lots |
| 22:35.00 | macooo | i am looking for some voluntary job in I.T |
| 22:35.13 | macooo | i m going to finish my m.sc in may 2007 |
| 22:35.29 | macooo | want to get some exp. to put on my C.V |
| 22:35.45 | goibhniu | what kind of stuff are you into? |
| 22:36.09 | macooo | programming, database systems, or linux admin |
| 22:36.22 | goibhniu | what programming and dbs? |
| 22:36.51 | macooo | python |
| 22:36.57 | macooo | .net |
| 22:36.58 | macooo | java |
| 22:37.05 | macooo | oracle 10g |
| 22:37.11 | goibhniu | plone by any chance? |
| 22:37.20 | macooo | plone |
| 22:37.29 | macooo | project management |
| 22:37.34 | macooo | prince3 |
| 22:37.37 | macooo | prince2 |
| 22:37.54 | macooo | software quality assurance |
| 22:38.03 | macooo | i dont have anyy exp. |
| 22:38.14 | goibhniu | interesting ... would you consider working in Oxford? |
| 22:38.39 | macooo | u mean oxford street |
| 22:38.47 | goibhniu | nope ... oxfordshire :D |
| 22:38.59 | *** join/#gllug boudiccas (n=boudicca@88-108-113-22.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 22:39.17 | macooo | well what this the stuff u need |
| 22:39.28 | macooo | what projects u work on |
| 22:39.57 | goibhniu | plone dev ... possibly migrating from plone 2.0 -> 2.5 |
| 22:40.07 | macooo | i m not looking for any pay, but at least travel exp. |
| 22:40.46 | macooo | but i never work with plone |
| 22:41.13 | goibhniu | ok, sorry I thought you had |
| 22:41.21 | goibhniu | it's a bit tricky to get into |
| 22:41.38 | goibhniu | I work with Oxfam and there might be work coming up ... maybe possibly |
| 22:41.58 | macooo | but if u can provide some voluntary work |
| 22:42.03 | macooo | i will work on it |
| 22:42.05 | goibhniu | how's your python? |
| 22:42.55 | macooo | i did some packages for my project |
| 22:42.59 | boudiccas | very well thank you, but he doesn't like this cold weather |
| 22:43.18 | macooo | like distributed database system demo |
| 22:43.53 | goibhniu | hmm .. interesting |
| 22:44.00 | macooo | how the fragements are distributed for the best |
| 22:44.02 | goibhniu | boudiccas: any luck? |
| 22:44.42 | goibhniu | macooo: I wonder if you'd be best to get involved in some open source project and then look for work through that |
| 22:44.49 | macooo | i am 23 completed my b.tech and did project management and doing my m.sc |
| 22:44.55 | goibhniu | it sounds like you've got a nice range of skills |
| 22:44.58 | macooo | thats a good idea |
| 22:45.22 | macooo | but need to find a network in london or in u.k |
| 22:45.28 | goibhniu | I know there's a good market for python dev |
| 22:45.39 | macooo | when is the next meeting |
| 22:45.48 | boudiccas | nope, just dumped me back at the kde login |
| 22:45.57 | trousers_laptop | 25th Nov/5th Dec |
| 22:46.29 | macooo | actually i am gllug member |
| 22:46.31 | macooo | from 2004 |
| 22:46.41 | goibhniu | boudiccas: feck, sorry ... that does the trick for gnome ... maybe your kde session is a bit borked |
| 22:46.45 | macooo | but never came to any meetings |
| 22:46.58 | goibhniu | boudiccas: have you got another user you could log in to kde as? |
| 22:47.39 | macooo | goibhniu r u coming to next meet |
| 22:47.59 | boudiccas | goibhniu; yes, but its almost bedtiome so i'm going to leave it for tomorrow, and all being well, i'll be off out and playing table tennis tomorrow morning for a couple of hours |
| 22:48.16 | trousers_laptop | Wireless laptops in bed :D |
| 22:48.56 | boudiccas | trousers; he'll cuddle up to anything warm in bed :) |
| 22:49.36 | goibhniu | macooo: I'm not sure yet cillian.deroiste@gmail.com .. drop me a line if you want |
| 22:52.46 | trousers_laptop | boudiccas: Pretty much... As long as it's not radiactive :) |
| 22:52.51 | trousers_laptop | *radioative |
| 22:53.03 | trousers_laptop | s/a/ac/ |
| 22:53.08 | trousers_laptop | Argh1 |
| 22:53.12 | trousers_laptop | ! |
| 22:53.21 | boudiccas | don't worry, i know what you mean :) |
| 22:53.27 | trousers_laptop | Good. |
| 22:53.48 | boudiccas | i prefer a nice hot water bottle if i don't have a nice man :) |
| 22:54.00 | secretlondon | beware of exploding batteries - hot water bottles are safer! |
| 22:54.21 | trousers_laptop | Wait, just to make things clear and not-so-awkward, are you a man or a woman boudiccas? |
| 22:54.32 | boudiccas | trousers; female |
| 22:54.55 | trousers_laptop | Argh, I automatically always assume everyone on the internet is a man -_- |
| 22:55.18 | boudiccas | don't be sexist, there are female geeks too :) |
| 22:55.21 | secretlondon | indeed |
| 22:55.33 | trousers_laptop | I wasn't, it's just that the majority of geeks are male |
| 22:55.38 | boudiccas | although i prefer to be called a geekette |
| 22:55.56 | trousers_laptop | I really thought you were a man, dammit |
| 22:56.09 | boudiccas | tut, tut! |
| 22:56.38 | trousers_laptop | So, I assume I am correct with: Boudiccas, Gunde and Secretlondon... Or are there more? |
| 22:56.47 | secretlondon | sabine |
| 22:56.53 | trousers_laptop | Ah, yes, woops |
| 22:56.56 | trousers_laptop | I did know that :) |
| 22:57.10 | secretlondon | and that's only those who out themselves |
| 22:57.28 | trousers_laptop | You mean... Mozrat is a woman?! |
| 22:57.28 | boudiccas | remember your history and Queen Boudiccas of the iceni tribe in East Anglia in 61 AD |
| 22:57.48 | boudiccas | hadn't you realised? |
| 22:57.52 | boudiccas | :) |
| 22:57.56 | secretlondon | I've seen as bouddica or bodeacea |
| 22:57.56 | trousers_laptop | boudiccas: Yes... But my dad's used the handle "Betty Swollocks" and a woman's name means nothing on the internet |
| 22:58.26 | boudiccas | a woman's name is very important, to the women especially |
| 22:58.38 | secretlondon | trousers: maybe your dad uses betty offline too.. |
| 22:58.47 | trousers_laptop | secretlondon: Please... Don't... |
| 22:59.12 | trousers_laptop | He adopted a new, unusual and I must say a name I quite like |
| 22:59.23 | goibhniu | I must admit I was disappointed to hear the QuinnStorm wasn't female |
| 22:59.30 | secretlondon | me too |
| 22:59.32 | trousers_laptop | "Sooty Sputnik" |
| 22:59.44 | trousers_laptop | QuinnStorm? |
| 22:59.45 | secretlondon | I presumed he was - especially calling thmselves kali as well |
| 22:59.58 | boudiccas | bedtime, nn |
| 23:00.05 | secretlondon | night boudiccas |
| 23:00.06 | trousers_laptop | G'night boudiccas |
| 23:00.11 | goibhniu | yeah ... the beard gave it away |
| 23:00.21 | trousers_laptop | QuinnStorm and kali? What is this? |
| 23:00.23 | goibhniu | night boudiccas |
| 23:00.36 | secretlondon | the guy who is lead on beryl |
| 23:00.42 | secretlondon | beryl the compiz fork |
| 23:00.45 | trousers_laptop | Ah, right |
| 23:01.10 | goibhniu | he's transexual .. hence the confusion |
| 23:01.27 | secretlondon | goibhniu: you sure? |
| 23:01.32 | trousers_laptop | One thing, I've only derived my definition from assumption, but forking is when a project takes the code of another project and develops independantly of the original project, correct? |
| 23:01.34 | secretlondon | what a female to male one? |
| 23:01.54 | goibhniu | male to female .. the pic with the beard was cos he was busy and pre hormones |
| 23:02.21 | secretlondon | ah I presumed it was recent |
| 23:02.31 | goibhniu | that's cool too .. but I was really pleased to think that a female was leading such an important project |
| 23:02.52 | secretlondon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_(software) |
| 23:04.07 | secretlondon | it's still positive |
| 23:32.01 | sabinef72 | helloooooooooo |
| 23:34.15 | trousers_laptop | Howdy |
| 23:35.07 | secretlondon | hi sabinef72 |
| 23:38.48 | secretlondon | /me is drinking french lager - Kronenbourg 1664 - brewed in the uk, licensed from strasbourg |
| 23:39.23 | sabinef72 | that's not good beer |
| 23:39.27 | secretlondon | i know |
| 23:39.51 | secretlondon | it's not the worst, but not that brilliant |
| 23:40.04 | secretlondon | they were £8 cans for £6 at the supermarket.. |
| 23:41.27 | antiphase | Hoegaarden is disgusting |
| 23:41.46 | antiphase | Give me some nice real ale any day |
| 23:41.58 | sabinef72 | noooooo I like it |
| 23:42.31 | sabinef72 | antiphase: I have to try |
| 23:45.18 | wethrin | Real ale++ |
| 23:45.25 | wethrin | I had some tonight. It was nice. |
| 23:45.28 | psnl | wethrin: whisky++ |
| 23:45.33 | wethrin | That too |
| 23:45.54 | secretlondon | wethrin: sounds easily preferable to the stuff I bought in the co-op |
| 23:46.16 | wethrin | Well, yes, it would've been, compared to 1664 |
| 23:47.45 | wethrin | Get yerself some nice bottled ale (preferably bottle conditioned) |
| 23:54.12 | z00dax | I had some obscure bavarian lager today |
| 23:55.43 | wethrin | z00dax! |
| 23:58.09 | sabinef72 | z00dax !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |