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00:07.30wethrinBEER!
00:09.38psnlbeer?
00:09.41psnlbar is shut
00:10.48wethrinNot the 5 Tenter Terrace bar
00:10.52wethrinThat's just opened
00:11.10wethrinWe may move on to Sloe Gin after this
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00:35.07wethrinLeeds++
00:37.04Leedsfucking laptop fucking overheated again overnight
00:43.29wethrinOh dear :(
00:43.33wethrinTime to blow dust out?
00:45.13Leedsdon't think so... I think it's because it's got vents on the side and the bottom, and a soft surface like a bed doesn't give enough clearance for the bottom vents to blow
01:02.09z00daxLeeds: park the laptop on top of a book or something then ? ( is what i do )
01:21.01Leedsyeah, I had it on a magazine, which was apparently not rigid enough
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01:32.37serris_hi boudiccas
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01:54.12macoooevery one is sleeping?
01:54.23macooo8)
01:54.48Leedsno
02:03.03macooohi leeds
02:03.07macooohow  r u
02:04.02Leedstired
02:04.10Leedsand please don't use txtspk here...
03:11.12serris_hi Leeds
03:11.27Leedsmorning serris_
03:11.44serris_how's it going?
03:12.51Leedsjust getting into some platform trolling on #python :-)
03:12.59serris_Sounds good
03:17.44serris_I'm just trying to figure out why Americans have to be so different
03:18.07Leedsthey don't - it's the rest of the world which is different
03:19.18serris_Well I found a good recepee site. But it's American so they use cups, tbsp, oz and other things. I'm trying to look up how much 1 cup icing sugar is but apparently 1 cup == 250ml and I haven't found any indication for it to be in grams
03:19.40serris_Well 1 cup apparently is 200 grams but if you're measuring icing sugar it means 100gram
03:19.43serris_So confused : (
03:20.36Leedsgrams are metric and therefore the work of even satanic communist European socialists
03:21.15Leedsif cups were good enough for Lincoln, they're good enough for us!
03:22.13serris_Yeah but I don't know cups which defies the point and rather than doing the usual "Uhm... I'll just add this much of butter and hopefully it'll turn out fine" won't really do
03:45.35Leedsserris_: hey, fancy doing me a very quick favour?
03:45.44serris_Depends
03:46.08Leedson...
03:47.19serris_The favour...
03:47.36Leedsjust visit a URL of mine and tell me if it's quick or slow... my connection here is plenty quick in terms of throughput, but the latancy and packet loss makes it hard to judge responsiveness
03:47.53serris_ok
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07:41.00morsingeye69!
07:51.01morsingLeeds!
08:10.49serris_hi morsing
08:15.38morsingserris_
08:40.26sabinef72hi all
08:49.57morsingsabinef72!
08:53.24sabinef72morsing !!!!!!!!!!
08:56.52morsingI fitted a ceiling fan last night
08:59.17sabinef72I don't understand
09:03.49morsinghttp://www.ceilingfanstore.co.uk/
09:03.53morsingIn my bedroom
09:03.56morsing:)
09:04.30morsingIt's a bit like this one
09:04.31morsinghttp://www.ceilingfanstore.co.uk/
09:04.46morsingjavascript:coreFrame.prodLink('../media/capri-white-brass-light.jpg','<br><br><IMG  WIDTH=636  HEIGHT=410  SRC=\'','\'>');
09:04.49morsingCrap!
09:04.53morsinghttp://www.ceilingfanstore.co.uk/media/capri-white-brass-light-thumb.jpg
09:07.22sabinef72is the weather is too hot in your bedroom to have a ceiling ?
09:10.34morsingIt is in the summer. It's a bit too noisy to have on while sleeping though.
09:10.50morsingThe fan was left by the previous owner so I didn't buy it
09:13.09sabinef72ok I see
09:13.32sabinef72I was thinking that .... perhaps.... the sun is shining a lot on London today....
09:14.53ErwinIt's 12C according to my weather data
09:16.40sabinef72well...14.5 C in Paris
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09:25.06morsingkeithlard_!
09:25.17keithlard_hello :)
09:35.18morsingkeithlard_: Are you appy?
09:35.20morsingHappy?
09:35.35keithlard_yes, how about you?
09:36.26morsingNever
09:38.40keithlard_aw! why
09:39.13morsingI have nothing to be happy about and my life is miserable
09:42.29keithlard_would you like some coffee?
09:43.03morsingYes please :(
09:44.44keithlard_so what is wrong
09:46.22Leedsevening all
09:46.52Leedsmorsing: can I offer you some takeaway veggie Chinese stuff?
09:52.12morsingLeeds: No thanks
09:53.02sabinef72morsing: do you want a french cookie ?
09:55.26morsingsabinef72: Oh yes thanks
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10:02.07morsingGunde!
10:02.12Gundegood morning
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10:12.02stephanb2hello everybody
10:12.38morsingstephanb2!
10:22.48stephanb2indefensible
10:23.00stephanb21. (of theories etc) incapable of being defended or justified
10:23.39stephanb2hmm, no discussion on theology or religion on this channel
10:23.48stephanb22. not able to be protected against attack
10:24.08stephanb2no Microsoft applications or OS should be used
10:24.18stephanb23. A Military Position that cannot be defended
10:24.57stephanb2that's pretty much all of the US foreign policy
10:26.33Leedswhat's the difference between 2 and 3?
10:27.53cpufreak1
10:29.51morsingNice
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10:45.36goibhniumorsing!
10:51.20stephanb2Leeds: i wouldn't describe "Microsoft" as "A Military Position"
10:51.34stephanb2although there is room for debate here...
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10:52.11z00dax_trafficHello, hope most people are having a better day than me
10:52.52stephanb2z00dax: oh yes 2 BSODs in 10 minutes in the morning
10:53.42goibhniumorsing: why are you ignoring me?
10:53.54goibhniu~seen morsing
10:54.13ibotmorsing is currently on #gllug (4d 15h 44m 13s). Has said a total of 517 messages. Is idling for 24m 22s, last said: 'Nice'.
10:54.13z00dax_trafficHumm how does that rate with being stationary on th A2 for 10 min now
10:54.25goibhniuz00dax_traffic: you need a bike
10:54.45stephanb2z00dax: oh it's a minor nag. i just hope that changing the ram will solve it.
10:55.50z00dax_trafficGoi: yea, i know. But just knowing so many people with broken bones and serious injuries ......
10:56.13z00dax_trafficSte: memtest will tell all
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10:56.52goibhniuz00dax_traffic: a bicycle ... and body armour
10:57.09goibhniumy gf has only been hit 3 times this year
10:57.19goibhniushe knows no fear though
10:57.35z00dax_trafficGoi: ummm no, i dont want to pedal power up 16 miles everyday and still need to tube 45 min each way
10:58.02z00dax_trafficCope: hey, howse the cobbler doing ?
10:58.06goibhniuI bet you'd be there quicker .. 16 miles isn't much
10:58.41z00dax_trafficGoi: it takes me 20 min usually,
10:59.59Copez00dax_traffic: bit of a non-starter; I couldn't even see pxe/dhcp requests on the comissioning server
11:00.08Copewhich i suspect is a routing issue
11:00.36Copeand i ran out of time, so built machines manually, and will return to provisioning (I meant) another time
11:00.38z00dax_trafficCope: yea most likely or some smartness at the switch level
11:01.29z00dax_trafficCope, cool let me know. Am working with cobbler quite close :)
11:02.15Copei like it
11:02.16Copelots
11:02.28Copeand it's in python :D
11:02.37Copeof course :)
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11:03.42z00dax_trafficYea! Pretty much all tooling development on *nix is python now
11:04.21z00dax_trafficExcept puppet, which is ruby. But, i had a long session with Luke and he might do an all python puppet-agent
11:05.38Copeone of the things I like very much about redhat is the pythonic standardisation
11:12.37z00dax_trafficThis ios now silly, been standing still for just over 45 min now
11:13.50morsingWeird
11:14.00morsingz00dax_traffic: You walking?
11:14.03morsinghuw-l!
11:15.20z00dax_trafficMorsing, no. Sitting in my car, parked up in a traffic jam on the A2
11:20.33huw-lmorning
11:20.51huw-lz00dax_traffic: you actually using puppet?
11:24.32serris_hi z00dax_traffic
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11:29.00z00dax_trafficHuw-l, yes
11:29.05z00dax_trafficSerris
11:29.23z00dax_trafficOk, movement! Yay!
11:30.18huw-lz00dax_traffic: we are still using cfengine here. Is puppet good? I'm attracted by the fact that puppet is written in a language that I can actually hack on.
11:30.22huw-lbugger
11:31.34huw-lCope: why are you in the topic?
11:59.05morsingNice
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12:26.12gregjhttp://gj.pointblue.com.pl/fun/microsoftdelivers.jpg
12:26.24Copewoo keithlard
12:31.28LeedsYoussefAssad: so do I...
12:38.04morsingLeeds!
12:38.39Leedsmorsing: yes?
12:40.00morsingNice
12:49.55z00daxhuw-l: puppet can use extentions written in any language, python is fine too
12:50.05z00daxand huw-l yes, puppet is far better than cfengine will ever be
12:57.45YoussefAssadany recommendations for decent command line podcast clients?
13:00.00wethrinpodcast's just an MP3, isn't it?
13:00.17goibhniuYoussefAssad: bashpodder, or podcatcher on a stick
13:00.23YoussefAssadessentially, yes
13:00.30wethrincurl + mpg123
13:00.36YoussefAssadgoibhniu: I'll have a look at bashpodder... Thanks
13:01.01YoussefAssadwethrin: thing is, I'd like to run it in a cronjob. I travel a lot and would like to cache the files
13:01.05goibhniuYoussefAssad: the only time I tried it I was trying to download mov files .. and it didn't work
13:01.21wethrinAh. wget, then
13:01.54goibhniupodcatcher on a stick is what I use
13:03.21goibhniuwethrin: I believe that's what bashpodder is essentially ... http://linc.homeunix.org:8080/scripts/bashpodder/bashpodder.shell
13:04.20Leedsalso an rss parser, I assume
13:04.46goibhniuyep ... it's nice and short .. reads a config file etc
13:05.28wethrinAh, Linc Fessenden's stuff. *nod*
13:06.25goibhniuit took me while to get into their podcast tllts but I really like it now ... very laid back
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13:06.32goibhniuthe stallman interview was golden
13:06.49wethrinGah. Stallman's a complete nutter
13:07.02Leedswould be pretty simple to throw together a podcatcher in python, using the universal feed reader
13:08.07goibhniu"YOU'RE ASKING THE WRONG QUESTIONS ... YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND"
13:08.42Leeds"ENUNCIATE MORE CLEARLY - I DON'T CARE IF ENGLISH ISN'T YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE AND I CAN'T SPEAK A WORD OF YOURS"
13:08.48wethrin"Here's the question you should've asked, and here's my response"
13:09.04wethrinLeeds: He did that at last (this) year's FOSDEM
13:09.20morsingMmm...
13:09.30goibhniuit sounded like it was going to get ugly ... then RMS started singing "I don't have enough time to read your email" to the tune of walzing matilda (iirc)
13:09.32wethrinI think. I might have missed his talk
13:09.45Leedslol
13:09.53goibhniuhe's a big cuddly teddy bear really
13:09.58wethrinNo, no he's not
13:10.07Leedssmelly and hairy...
13:10.21Leedssignificantly saner than ESR though
13:11.22morsingI'm tired and I have a headache
13:12.20wethrinBy cup, I mean mug, of course
13:13.35morsingwethrin: Thanks
13:16.00wethrinmorsing: You around the week before Christmas?
13:16.30Leeds'twas the week before Christman and all through the house...
13:16.36Leedsalso, Christmas...
13:17.29Leedsit has struck me for the second year just how odd it is that the Christmas imagery in Hong Kong is still all about snow... we're tropical, and I don't think it's ever snowed here
13:18.16morsingwethrin: Yes, some of it
13:18.16merlin_the chinese are immensely good at knocking stuff off though
13:18.18morsingWhy?
13:18.27murbLeeds: when did it last snow in london on xmas day/
13:18.29wethrinmorsing: Want to meet for beer/food?
13:18.43morsingYes please
13:18.50wethrinyay!
13:18.54morsing:)
13:19.15Leedsmerlin_: I'm talking about local stuff - I just went into the Japanese bakery across the road and there are plastic snowflakes hanging from the ceiling :-)
13:19.21merlin_yeah
13:19.30merlin_it's not an actual chinese custom though is it
13:19.41Leedsmurb: maybe not in London, but I've seen snow on Xmas day in the past few years in Leicester
13:19.41merlin_they just kinda yoinked it
13:19.54merlin_although I guess hong kong probably has an enormously large british influence anyway
13:20.11Leedsmerlin_: or to put it another way, they were invaded and converted to christianity in large numbers...
13:20.39murbwhen was the last frost fair on the thames held?
13:20.50Leedsthere's probably a similar proportion of practicing Christians in HK as in the UK - but a lot less non-practicing ones
13:21.10Leedsmurb: not a fair question - it was sometime in the late 19th century, I think, but the configuration of the river has changed since
13:21.58Leedsearly 19th, apparently
13:22.32murbglobal warming for you
13:26.01morsingMmm... Global warming
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13:26.20morsingstephanb2!
13:26.34stephanb2ni
13:27.03morsingni ni
13:32.08boudiccasthe knights who say 'Ni'
13:32.56LeedsI'm not dead yet!
13:33.11morsingI am
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13:36.46boudiccasLeeds; thats what Granny Weatherwax said
13:37.17Leedsalso, my Monty Python t-shirt
13:37.31Leedsfrom Spamalot :-)
13:38.04boudiccasnever seen spalot
13:38.09boudiccas*spamalot
13:38.42LeedsI saw it the night before leaving London - my sisters took me as a birthday pressie
13:41.28huw-lYoussefAssad: http://www.peapodpy.org
13:42.17huw-lz00dax: I have to re-engineer my cfengine setup to deal with multiple OS's anyway so now might be the time to look at puppet
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13:49.27morsingserris!
13:57.46YoussefAssadhuw-l: ooooh, python! Lovely. Thanks!
13:58.39huw-lipod support was added in subversion last night if you're interested
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14:03.15Leedspython good
14:04.32YoussefAssadindeed I am. Will have a good look at that
14:05.01YoussefAssadmight end up throwing in the towel and buying an ipod in the end
14:05.36goibhniuYoussefAssad: don't do it!
14:06.20Leedsmy ipod gave up and died on me, after slightly more than 2 years
14:06.59LeedsCope: are you mozrat?
14:07.02stephanb2YoussefAssad: ipod are fashion accessories, not a cost-effective piece of technology
14:07.16CopeNo
14:07.25LeedsI find my treo makes a very useful mp3 (ogg, etc.) player
14:07.45stephanb2YoussefAssad: when the bettery is dead you can pay through your nose. it's not like changing a battery on your mobile
14:07.57stephanb2s/bettery/battery
14:08.35YoussefAssadguys I know all of that. But I'm based out of Cairo for at least the next 3 months, and let me tell you, here it's an ipod or it's a 512 Mb flash player :\
14:09.11LeedsYoussefAssad: would you like me to buy you a bigger one and post it to you?  from here in the epicentre of cheap asian electronics? :-)
14:09.32YoussefAssadLeeds: If you only knew how much I envy you for living in my old stomping grounds :)
14:09.34LeedsI do paypal...
14:09.52YoussefAssadPaypal, another service which won't work out of this bloody country
14:09.57LeedsYoussefAssad: now, the question is, are you moving heaven and earth with your old contacts here to get me a job? :-)
14:10.27LeedsI come highly recommended from goibhniu...
14:10.37YoussefAssadLeeds: I could put in a good word at my old high school for starters, but the kids there are smart enough to drive anyone mad.
14:11.06YoussefAssadLeeds: I could poke around if you really are looking for a job there. Half my high school was locals
14:11.54LeedsYoussefAssad: seriously - if you've got any useful contacts, I'd seriously appreciate it... there's a big flash mp3 player in it for you if you can get me anywhere :-)
14:12.28LeedsI'm trying to get into this networking thing...
14:12.39YoussefAssadLeeds: On the off chance I do turn up something, you can kep the player and owe me a beer some day
14:12.43Leeds(that is, social/professional networking, not computer networking)
14:12.48goibhniuYoussefAssad: I highly recommend giving Leeds a high paid job (I'm not Leeds btw)
14:12.51Leedsbeer?  isn't that forbidden?
14:13.28YoussefAssadBeer? Forbidden? Lord, if beer was forbidden here I'd be dead. No, it isn't forbidden ;)
14:13.36LeedsI've been somewhat stymied by the apparent death of the HK LUG
14:13.46YoussefAssadBesides, I'm half Danish. You can't take a Dane's beer away from him
14:13.55YoussefAssadoh that sucks
14:14.12Leedsah, so you're a muslim-hating muslim?
14:14.13YoussefAssaddeath as in, no one cares anymore and it's become just aother mailing list?
14:14.50Leedsthere doesn't even appear to be a user mailing list - just an announce list with a 404 on the archives... they were alive last year, but there's been no apparent activity since February
14:15.29YoussefAssadthat's horrible
14:16.00LeedsI mailed the listed moderators of the announce list earlier this week and I've had no response... I might try to chase further...
14:17.06YoussefAssadLeeds: re. muslim-hating muslim, wouldn't say so. Not a muslim myself, and I think even though these people drive me mad a billion times a day, I don't hate them so much as just think alternatively that they need either a boatload of help chnging their culture, or just to be left to their own devices a few centuries more
14:17.35Leedsah, guessed the muslim from the nick and location...
14:18.39YoussefAssadthe nick is a phonetic transliteration of Josef. :) The location is right, I've been here since 95
14:18.54YoussefAssads/transliteration/transcription/
14:19.07LeedsI've got nothing at all against muslims... some of the people who claim to be islamic leaders are nut-jobs, and most arab leaders are appalling when it comes to improving life for their people
14:19.09YoussefAssadtouche
14:19.46Leedsand I sort of wish people would stop crapping on the Lebanese from all directions
14:20.05YoussefAssadLeeds: Which is why I'm moving back to Europe. I have nothing against them either, but it becomes more difficult by the day to keep it like that. One's patience does run out
14:20.58YoussefAssadPlus, I still get harassed for being Danish. Which is never conducive to a pleasant day-to-day.
14:21.16LeedsI would think so... I'd get it worse...
14:21.30Leedsgiven that I am Mr. Cohen :-)
14:21.42YoussefAssadoh boy, yes that would be trouble
14:22.05YoussefAssadFriends of mine, half French, have the family name Charron. You wouldn't believe the hassles they get
14:22.40sabinef72hi all
14:22.42sabinef72Leeds !
14:22.49Leedssabinef72! how are you?
14:23.11sabinef72I'm ok preparing my suitcase
14:23.14sabinef72and you ?
14:23.20Leedsyou're coming to see me!  at last! :-)
14:23.39sabinef72will you be in London this week end ?
14:23.51Leedsno, Hong Kong... aren't you coming here?
14:24.08sabinef72noooo
14:24.41sabinef72Leeds: do you want a postcard from London ? ah ah
14:24.46Leedsha ha ha
14:24.50Gundesabinef72: all excited already?
14:24.56Leedsdo you want a postcard from Singapore? :-)
14:25.04sabinef72Leeds: yessssssssss
14:25.16sabinef72Gunde: I'll take my train tomorrow morning
14:25.24LeedsI'm sure I've got one here somewhere...
14:25.31Leedshave you been in the chunnel before?
14:25.37sabinef72never
14:26.04Leedswell... it's not really all that exciting... it's a very long tunnel
14:26.06sabinef72but mozzie said to me that the lands in the chunnel are beautiful....
14:26.27wethrinNo, that's the asylum seekers clinging to the bottom of the train
14:26.38YoussefAssadheh
14:26.56sabinef72lol
14:27.16sabinef72I just hope that the chunnel won't be break....
14:28.00Leedsno, but you'll be able to tell when you hit the other side... when you see people walking past the train, overtaking it at a gentle strolling speed
14:28.21sabinef72ok
14:28.42morsingsabinef72!
14:28.45YoussefAssadhm, looks like there is hope for a Jackson-made Hobbit after all...
14:29.21sabinef72morsing !!!!!!!!
14:29.31Leedstoo late to gym
14:29.45sabinef72well ironing is waiting me....
14:30.43wethrinIn Soviet Russia, you wait irons!
14:32.20CopeYoussefAssad: how so?
14:33.28YoussefAssadCope: it's at the top of slashdot.org; film rights revert to some creepy old Hollywood mogul next year, and he is bringing in Jackson. Which is why New Line appear to be in a bit of a rush at this point, rumor has it
14:35.20goibhniuI hope he does something interesting afterwards ... his talents are being wasted on this goblin stuff
14:36.02Leedsgoblin?
14:36.17YoussefAssadI think the heretic means orc stuff
14:36.37Leedsthey're goblins in the Hobbit :-)
14:36.43YoussefAssadAlthough, no, there _were_ goblins in hobbit
14:36.45YoussefAssadyes
14:36.46goibhniue.g. Heavenly Creatures ... what an excellent film
14:38.39LeedsI like audiobooks - good for travelling, gym, and sleeping
14:40.08YoussefAssadsome of the Berkeley podcasts have been best friends in many an airport, that is true
14:42.43goibhniuThe lectures? That physics guy was brilliant last term
14:43.39YoussefAssadthe lectures, yes
14:43.57YoussefAssadthough you have to be careful, some of them are lame and some, the audio quality is horrible
14:44.23goibhniuRichard A. Muller: Physics 10 - Descriptive Introduction to Physics
14:45.04goibhniuthat was brilliant ... I didn't like most of the others ...sometimes the psychology one was ok
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14:56.27morsingDick_Turpin!
14:56.44morsing:)
14:57.12Dick_Turpinmorsing: is that all you've got in your wallet?
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15:00.46boudiccasah, so Dick_Turpin is a camel!
15:01.16Dick_Turpinboudiccas: camels spit :-)
15:01.44boudiccasand particularly obnoxious spittle they have too, it stinks
15:01.53Dick_Turpin:-)
15:02.43boudiccasanyway peter, why have you been stitched up?
15:02.46Leedsthey stink generally
15:03.18YoussefAssadis vim.org down?
15:03.27LeedsI cancelled my Egg card after they failed to understand "No, you may not send me any marketing information at all - I don't want a loan from you, I never will, and if you persist in trying to sell me one, I'm walking out"
15:04.00LeedsYoussefAssad: Works For Me[TM]
15:05.07YoussefAssadodd
15:05.38YoussefAssadOR not. www.vim.org works for me, vim.org not
15:06.11YoussefAssadhuw-l: peapodpy looks perfect, thanks again!
15:06.40Dick_Turpinboudiccas: they tried to draw an Fing stupid amount, then tried a week later to draw a small amount both items incurred charges from my bank when I ran egg they said "Oh someone misunderstood the instruction" I said I'd call back with the bank charges which I wanted reimburssing the stupid bitch started talking about some bird I'd never heard of they don't know their arse from there elbow
15:10.08CopeYoussefAssad: i fell off - why did you say something about Hobbit?
15:11.16boudiccasseems like a disadavantage of banking on the internet
15:11.41boudiccaswhat si a NAS?
15:11.45boudiccas*is
15:11.51Leedsnetwork attached storage?
15:11.51YoussefAssadCope: it's at the top of slashdot.org; film rights revert to some creepy old Hollywood mogul next year, and he is bringing in Jackson. Which is why New Line appear to be in a bit of a rush at this point, rumor has it
15:11.52Copenetwork attached storage
15:12.13boudiccasah, ty
15:12.28Dick_Turpinboudiccas: Take a tip from me, don't use them they are crap and paying them is almost impossible other than direct debit they don't take cheqs or credit card payments
15:12.31Leedsboudiccas: hard drive on an ethernet cable :-)
15:13.46Dick_TurpinLeeds: Theres a really cool Linux network storage drive I think its a Freecom
15:16.10Dick_TurpinLeeds: :-)
15:16.19boudiccas'not i' said the pig!
15:17.46Leedsdon't mind it a huge amount but when the connection isn't great to start with, and it's being loaded enough to stop my streaming radio
15:19.08Dick_TurpinLeeds: Do me a favour and close your browser and the streaming audio youre slowing my pron download
15:19.35LeedsDick_Turpin: if you've got 802.11 running over thousands of miles, you're welcome to it, dude :-)
15:20.38Dick_TurpinLeeds: Don't laugh a couple of years ago on a certain Lug that will go unmentioned they wanted to share all the wireless connections with each other!
15:21.04Leedsnot a terrible idea... not in the slightest way feasible in London
15:22.05morsingLeeds!
15:22.21Dick_TurpinLeeds: IMO it was a silly idea with no net benifit
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15:31.29stephanb2Dick_Turpin: was it BLAG ?
15:32.03Dick_Turpinstephanb2: you've lost me?
15:32.08stephanb2Dick_Turpin: they had their own "distro", maybe still do. a trimmed down redhat
15:32.22stephanb2Dick_Turpin: the LUG that wanted to set up wireless net access
15:32.52stephanb2Dick_Turpin: Brixton Linux "Action" Group
15:33.26Dick_Turpinstephanb2: Ah, no the Lugs not important. I don't want to say anymore
15:34.37stephanb2Dick_Turpin: no worries
15:35.44Dick_Turpinstephanb2: s'OK its just I don't believe in say stuff if the other party is unable to defend itself
15:42.43morsingBeer
15:43.58stephanb2Dick_Turpin: that's very wise. I was about to gossip on BLAG. Let's leave it.
15:45.47Dick_Turpinstephanb2: :-)
15:46.15morsingDick_Turpin: Beer
15:46.54Dick_Turpinmorsing: Yes please, PS egg has just phoned me :-(
15:47.53LeedsDick_Turpin: do you have satisfaction?
15:49.15Dick_TurpinLeeds: Not yet but they've just given me their fax number and I'm tempted to spam them!!
15:49.32morsingDick_Turpin: Post it here!
15:49.48Dick_Turpinmorsing: Behave
15:50.16morsingibot slap Dick_Turpin
15:50.23ibotACTION slaps Dick_Turpin, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
15:50.46Leedsibot moonslap Egg
15:50.47ibotACTION nabs the moon and broadsides Egg with the sea of tranquility
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15:53.30Leedsibot troutslap Dick_Turpin
15:53.31ibotACTION slaps Dick_Turpin around with a large trout
15:54.28Leedsibot shoot Dick_Turpin
15:54.29ibotACTION shoots Dick_Turpin in the foot with a cork gun!
15:54.50Leedsit was self-defence!
15:55.51LeedsI assume you know who ibot is...
15:56.38morsingibot murb
15:56.40ibotmurb is probably bored, or not shiny, or faster than google
15:56.46morsing:)
15:58.13Dick_TurpinLeeds: Um no I was being big headed and cool and playing along
15:58.49Leedsibot tell Dick_Turpin about ibot
15:59.21Leedsibot botsnack
15:59.21ibot:), Leeds
16:01.40Leedshappy Friday, all
16:03.22Dick_Turpinibot: whats the skinney then?
16:06.37boudiccasibot is a blootbot
16:06.54boudiccaswhich means i think that ist powered by java
16:06.59boudiccas*its
16:07.12Leedsibot ibot
16:07.13ibotit has been said that ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported.
16:07.27Leedsibot thank
16:07.27ibotmy pleasure, Leeds
16:07.28Leedsibot thanks
16:07.28ibotLeeds: de rien
16:07.44Leedsibot insult java
16:07.55Leedswow... appropriate! :-)
16:07.58morsingibot nice
16:08.00iboti heard nice is prime example of SuperJuan, or a good term for GNOME a derogatory term meaning bland, boring, feeble, or just crap. Example: That's a nice haircut. a city in france, or a program that will run a program with a modified scheduling priority (from -20 to 19, where 19 is the lowest).
16:08.37Leedsibot insult wethrin
16:11.44morsingThat's actually true...
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16:12.46morsingSlayerXP!
16:12.48morsingtripitaka!
16:12.52SlayerXPhiya
16:12.53tripitakahey hey
16:13.26tripitakaall well?
16:13.53Dick_TurpinAaaaaaaarrrrrrrggggggghhhh what the buggery bollocks are you on about?
16:14.21LeedsDick_Turpin: are you okay?
16:14.50Leedsdo you still not know who ibot is?
16:15.14Dick_TurpinLeeds: No I don't! there all have a good laugh
16:15.36LeedsDick_Turpin: ibot is a bot - a piece of software which responds to commands
16:16.11Dick_TurpinLeeds: thats AKA a husband
16:16.25Leedshe can do useful things like take messages for you when you're offline and deliver them when he next sees you... and stuff like unit and currency conversions... and answer FAQs...
16:16.36Leedshe's also fun to play with when things are otherwise quiet
16:16.45tripitaka~hammerthrow
16:16.55tripitakahmph
16:17.05tripitakacommands?
16:17.06Leedsibot change 2500 hkd to gbp
16:17.09boudiccasibot abuse leeds
16:17.10ibotACTION smacks leeds across the face. "Take that, sucker!"
16:17.18tripitakaibot dance
16:17.19iboti guess dance is ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin' elive, stayin' elive..
16:17.22boudiccascool
16:17.23Leedsibot sing
16:17.24ibotACTION sings loudly
16:17.30Dick_TurpinLeeds: so hows it work then?
16:17.31LeedsDick_Turpin: try it...
16:17.40Leedssay "ibot <something>"
16:17.49boudiccasibot wake mozrat
16:17.50ibotACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on mozrat and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"
16:17.58Dick_Turpinibot love Leeds
16:17.59ibotIf you love Leeds so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh)
16:18.06Leedsamongst other things, it's normal around here for ibot to have a little file on people, so you can get an introduction to them from him
16:18.10tripitakaibot shake
16:18.12ibotshakes his booty all around town
16:18.15Leedsibot rattle
16:18.17boudiccasibot boudiccas
16:18.19ibotextra, extra, read all about it, boudiccas is the former queen of the icini
16:18.28boudiccaslol
16:18.39Leedsibot Leeds
16:18.40ibotfrom memory, leeds is a bloke called Richard making bras in Hong Kong, or a bloke called Richard, or a rubbish footie team, or better than Google, or a Solaris freeware and Perl expert, or a regexp expert, or been fired from the bra company, or not my problem, or a very sociable guy, or a sexy alian
16:18.41Dick_TurpinLeeds: is it really that intuative?
16:18.53boudiccasibot tripitaka
16:19.04morsingibot tea
16:19.12LeedsDick_Turpin: yeah, pretty much - it's just a bunch of perl on the backend... I've written a simple bot myself
16:19.17tripitakalet's hope it stays that way
16:19.19Leedsibot coffee
16:19.34boudiccasibot eats
16:19.40LeedsI think he sometimes gets upset if too many people talk to him too much and he goes and sulks in the corner
16:19.43boudiccasibot drunk
16:19.45ibotyay!
16:19.48trousersLeeds: How do you get the bot to use IRC, exactly?
16:20.04Leedsa bot I know on another channel is regularly asked to distribute coffee and guiness to regulars :-)
16:20.10tripitakaI left an Eliza bot on a web site for a couple of years, forgot about it, when I checked the logs about a dozen people had had long, involved conversations with it. Lost the logs though.
16:20.16boudiccastrousers; its all in the config file i expect
16:20.26Leedstrousers: run it as a daemon, get it to connect to the network, give it a name, tell it which channels to connect to...
16:20.39trousersLeeds: As in is there an IRC library?
16:20.40Dick_TurpinLeeds: Well bugger me you learn something new every day, you'll wish I'd not learnt that one
16:21.22Leedsoh, sure
16:21.41Leedslots of irc libraries around
16:21.52trousersLeeds: Also, I'm thinking of learning either Perl or Python -- which one is more like C?
16:22.57goibhniutrousers: you're asking the wrong question
16:23.06Leedsyou should learn python
16:23.32Leedsfrankly, it doesn't matter than much what the question is, python is very often the answer, as far as I'm concerned :-)
16:23.49YoussefAssadI'm a lamer, and I picked up python really fast. Python's my answer too
16:24.59tripitakawhat's python good for? would you use it instead of eg. bash, perl, php?
16:25.20goibhniuthe only thing wrong with python is there are so many macheads in the community
16:25.27goibhniuthey're ok deep down though
16:25.32SlayerXPheads
16:25.32Leedstripitaka: yes, all of the above
16:25.40SlayerXPpython sucks, use perl
16:27.05goibhniuibot: rewrite yourself in python
16:28.03tripitakaibot: tell us best script language. ps emacs vs vi
16:28.27YoussefAssadipython that is
16:28.47SlayerXPhttp://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=perl&word2=python
16:29.35SlayerXPLeeds, see the bit that says "python"
16:29.54LeedsSlayerXP: piss off
16:30.01goibhniuYoussefAssad: that's beautiful! never tried -p pysh before!
16:30.16tripitakapointers to a good python tutorial?
16:30.35YoussefAssadgoibhniu: inside pysh, type %magic and hit return
16:31.09Leedstripitaka: do you know how to code in other languages?
16:31.16tripitakaperl, php
16:31.32tripitaka(which are basically the same thing)
16:31.39Leedswell, I'd start with the 'official' tutorial on the docs.python.org site... there's also diveintopython
16:32.05tripitakata
16:32.14Leedsand join #python
16:32.21antiphaseThen stick pins in your eyes to relieve the pain and use Perl instead
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16:33.51Leedsantiphase: go ahead, make my day :-)
16:35.02goibhniuYoussefAssad: that's it ... bash is durt
16:35.23LeedsI admit that I still use bash over ipython
16:36.06YoussefAssadgoibhniu: chsh is your friend
16:36.51goibhniuYoussefAssad: do you use it as your shell?
16:50.58YoussefAssadgoibhniu: only for a couple of days now
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17:44.52Leedswell past my bedtime - g'night all
17:46.52wethrinnn Leeds
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18:49.32YoussefAssadinteresting; there's an OLPC vmware image to play with
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18:54.27trousersAwesome,m y dad keeps picking up rather cool shit for free at work
18:54.37trouserss/ m/m /
18:56.17wethrinWhat did you get?
18:56.52trousersA  tablet PC
18:56.56wethrinnice
18:56.59wethrinCan I get one? :)
18:57.02trousersBooting up a LiveCD to play around
18:57.12trouserswethrin: Ummm, do you actually really want one?
18:58.56wethrinI wouldn't object to one
18:58.58trousersWell, first thing's first, I need to get Ubuntu installed and get the touchscreen working
18:59.40trousersBooting of a USB CD is not fun
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19:49.16boudiccasook
19:52.39serrishi boudiccas
19:52.53boudiccashi serris
19:52.59serrishow's it going?
19:53.41boudiccasIts a fortnight today that i put the application form in, and i haven't had any reply. I think that i'm possibly too over-qualified for them
19:54.01boudiccasI dount if I'll hear anyhting from them now
19:54.33boudiccas*doubt
19:54.37serrisThey might still be processing it. As far as I can remember the process is first come first served
19:54.58serrisBut from what I understand, there should be a lot of new job openings as specially on night shift
19:55.18serrisThe way the shift's run is being redone and they created a new job title that'll be needed to be filled
19:55.31boudiccasmaybe they'll keep it on file for a while. but, would they put a female on night duty with other blokes?
19:55.43serrissure
19:55.46serriswe have a few girls
19:56.14YoussefAssadI'm not the only one probing the job market, eh
19:56.22boudiccasah, fair enough. that was something that my mum mentioned might impact negatively
19:56.34serrisIt's basically down to the night shift manager
19:56.49serriswe currently have Ibelieve 4 girls on the shift
19:56.52serrisOne of 'em is a lesbian
19:57.17serrisI think we have 4 girls... no 5
19:57.24boudiccasah well. its out of my hands now and up to them
19:57.32serrisyep
19:58.14serrisWe had one skinny little girl join during the summer or so. I wasn't quire sure what she was doing there as she seemed to enjoy talking to her polish friend more than working and enjoyed to take a little extra 10 minutes or so with her breaks
19:58.18boudiccasdo they take on extra staff for christmas? maybe they'd recruit me for that
19:58.35serrisThen wasn't pleased when the CTS / Managers yelled their heads off while she was sitting upstairs 15 minutes early
19:58.44serrisYeah they do take on extra staff
19:58.54serrisNot neccessarily for night shift
19:59.07serrisThe managers for my region just had a meeting
19:59.14serrisDays are getting major hour cuts
19:59.16serrisWe're getting added
19:59.30serrisLike I said we're having a new group created to make our lives that much better
19:59.47serrisI made my first formal complaing against my other manager which seemed to result good
19:59.50boudiccasi'm just looking for a job there atm, and then i'll be in a position to apply for nights if a vacancy occurs
19:59.52serriscomplaint*
20:00.41serrisIf you can't transfer permenantly, we have a few day shift people working over time on nights
20:00.57boudiccashmm
20:01.35boudiccasbut first i have to get my foot in the door
20:01.36serrisOne guy, Josh. Lanky kid, I think he's 18? He works in the bakery but has a few nuts loose. He did a few days OT on nights and wanted to transfer. My manager gave him a quick informal interview in the smoking room and decided he can't hack it
20:02.12serrisPlus the fact he wasn't willing to do thursday and friday didn't help. Busiest days of the week
20:02.31serrisI'm wondering if you not writing what job you're applying for had anything to do with the delay?
20:03.15boudiccascould be, should i write asking for shelf filling?
20:04.05serrisReplanishing but if you're pretty much doing that on any department. You could apply for specifics. Grocery, fresh, produce, bakery and such
20:04.25serrisgrocery is fairly easy. No need to rotate anything, just quickly throw it out and move on
20:04.41serrisCould apply for BWS and things like that
20:06.19boudiccasthanks, i've made a few notes to action next week
20:07.00serris: )
20:07.25serrisI think it's me good manager in tonight, which store are you applying at?
20:07.51boudiccasmaidstone town centre
20:08.20boudiccastheres also one on the outskirts of maidstone, but i'm not applying there
20:08.24serrisalright I'll ask him
20:08.27boudiccasty
20:09.18serrisJust 3 more days at Sainsbury's and I'm on holiday!
20:09.29boudiccas:)
20:09.44boudiccashow long you on holiday for?
20:09.47serrisA week
20:10.00boudiccasgot anything planned?
20:10.25serrisMy cousin and his lass are comin' in less than a week to stay with me and my wife for a few days
20:10.38serrisOther than that, finishing off a bit of wood work and bits and pieces
20:10.43boudiccasah, should be nice then :)
20:11.02boudiccasrest and relaxation are the order of the day then :)
20:11.22serrismore or less. I just managed to catch a cold though
20:11.47boudiccasspread it around, pass it on :o))))
20:12.12serris:D
20:12.15serrisindeed
20:15.03serrisI'm hoping I'll have a good 3 nights and time'll run by
20:17.33boudiccaskeep your nose to the grindstone and it'll just fly by
20:17.51serris: )
20:25.18trousersANybody knoew where I can get this "fpi2002" thingy from?
20:27.29boudiccastrousers; tried googling? :)
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20:42.00YoussefAssadanyone got any idea where ifconfig gets its information from? /proc somewhere?
20:42.14YoussefAssadinterface names, IP adresses bound to said interfaces, etc.
20:50.26boudiccasserris; the local one that we were talking about is at Romney Place in Madistone
20:50.32boudiccas*Maidstone
20:50.42boudiccasfat finers syndrome tonight
20:50.47boudiccas*fingers
20:51.39boudiccasinstead of playing spot the mistake, lets play spot the posts that have +not+ required corrections
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23:34.59wethrinWhiskey
23:35.09z00daxwethrin: yes, i am having some
23:35.19wethrinI had 4 whiskeys, and a whisky
23:35.23wethrinYum yum
23:36.55z00daxwethrin: ever tried this thing called the black bottle ?
23:41.43Leedsbreakfast
23:41.52z00daxyes please.
23:45.18wethrinz00dax: Black Bottle? No...
23:45.39z00daxwethrin: not half bad, is a 7 way blend
23:45.45wethrinHmmm.....
23:51.10Leedssort of halfway between Shreddies and mini Shredded Wheat...
23:51.34z00daxLeeds: that must be some terrible whiskey
23:57.47Leedsyeah... wheat makes for better beer than whiskey

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