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07:44.58morsing'mornign
07:58.35gundemorning
07:59.02Leedshello
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08:22.12morsingSlayerXP!
08:22.17SlayerXPlo
08:40.50morsingSame can be said for the number of accidents caused by a fly/wasp in the car.
08:40.51morsingI nearly had a close call when a spider.... a big spider... no..a really really big spider you understand came from behind my sunvisor and jumped on my face and wedged it'self behind my glasses. I've never ever pulled up so fast in my life and leaped out, I must have looked a right prize pillock. I'm just glad that layby was there!! I don't mind spiders just not big ugly hairy ones jumping on me!
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08:40.56morsingMy point..Ban spiders!
08:40.59morsingharkness!
08:41.00morsingHow's RedHat?
08:41.27harknessmorsing: Bra tack! :-)
08:43.18morsingMmm... Bra
08:43.20morsingWhat?
08:43.29morsingSo it's RedBra now?
08:43.46harknessGood thanks, assigned to IKEA, Helsingborg and life is good in Sweden.
08:44.23morsingYou moved to Sweeden? Can you get eye69 a job?
08:48.02harknessmorsing: There are quite a few jobs in and around Stockholm and Helsingborg - many of them are on monster
08:48.27Leedsharkness: you mean assigned to IKEA within RH?
08:48.39harknessLeeds: Yep
08:48.52morsingAhh... I thought you were assembling stuff
08:49.09harknessmorsing: Well I am sort of....
08:51.01LeedsI think they call it compiling
08:53.39morsing~~4~1~==844Same can be said for the number of accidents caused by a fly/wasp in the car.
08:53.42morsingI nearly had a close call when a spider.... a big spider... no..a really really big spider you understand came from behind my sunvisor and jumped on my face and wedged it'self behind my glasses. I've never ever pulled up so fast in my life and leaped out, I must have looked a right prize pillock. I'm just glad that layby was there!! I don't mind spiders just not big ugly hairy ones jumping on me!
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08:53.48morsingMy point..Ban spiders!
08:53.54morsingSame can be said for the number of accidents caused by a fly/wasp in the car.
08:53.55morsingI nearly had a close call when a spider.... a big spider... no..a really really big spider you understand came from behind my sunvisor and jumped on my face and wedged it'self behind my glasses. I've never ever pulled up so fast in my life and leaped out, I must have looked a right prize pillock. I'm just glad that layby was there!! I don't mind spiders just not big ugly hairy ones jumping on me!
08:54.01morsingMy point..Ban spiders!
08:54.41morsingSorry, someone playing with my laptop!
08:55.07morsing(IT support guy replacing my hot swappable keyboard)
08:55.14morsingfailure!
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09:04.12morsingeye69!
09:04.21morsingeye69: How's Sweeden?
09:06.18keithlard_ok, that was surreal
09:07.49morsingkeithlard_!
09:07.53morsingWhat was?
09:08.08morsingLeeds: Why am I so cheerful today?
09:08.27Leedsbecause you're trying to cheer me up?
09:08.28SlayerXPcor, yesterday was a record traffic day for the abmx website
09:08.40LeedsSlayerXP: 10 hits?
09:08.47SlayerXP32
09:10.54failuremorsing!
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09:13.47morsingGunde!
09:14.55Gundemorsing (-:
10:01.26sabinef72morning
10:01.39morsing:)
10:20.30morsingWhy is JBoss un-documented?
10:21.14harknessmorsing: As Alan likes to say - the source is the documentation (I disagree)
10:22.07morsingHmm...
10:22.49harknessmorsing: Which parts are undocumented?
10:25.21morsingLog rotation and compression
10:25.34morsingWell, everything is undocumented but that's what I need
10:29.26antiphaseUse logrotate instead
10:34.34halimorsing: thats because it's using log4j and the log4j people only have docs in book form.. they make money from selling that little book..
10:36.48GundeIf anything else fails I could start a new business with that...
10:38.50morsingantiphase: Impossible
10:38.58morsinghali: Hmm...
10:42.03wethrinHello
10:43.03morsingwethrin!
10:43.51wethrinYeah!
10:45.24morsingIs there a #jboss?
10:45.34morsingIf I go there and ask, will they get upset?
10:45.47morsingHali, what were those links again you sent me?
10:46.49hali#jboss is snobbish and is being taken over by redhat people who's go "Do you have a support contract?" on speed dial
10:47.16halilink to the log4j gzip appender?
10:47.42halihttp://www.mail-archive.com/log4j-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg01256.html
10:47.47morsingSo a bit like this channel then
10:47.58haliyou have to compile that though.. i always abuse a developer to implement it
10:48.07wethrinmorsing: I'm sorry, you need a support contract to get an answer to that statement
10:48.24wethrinAnd buy support contract, I mean 'buy me beer'
10:48.31morsingwethrin: I've now only got two of the days 18-20th free
10:48.45wethrinDays, or evenings?
10:54.25morsingEvening
10:54.26morsings
10:55.00wethrinright
10:55.17morsingThat's Monday and Wednesday evening
10:55.25wethrinOkay....
10:59.21morsingWhisky
10:59.44wethrinOoh
10:59.46morsingAylesbury?
11:00.01wethrinmaybe
11:00.49morsing:)
11:01.46wethrinUrrhhh....has anyone organised a Gllug Christmas-thing?
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11:03.34YoussefAssadhullo
11:04.08morsingYoussefAssad!
11:04.08morsingYoussefAssad: Bo?
11:04.08morsingwethrin: Yes
11:04.08wethrinmorsing: Oh, where, when?
11:04.29morsingIT was discussed on the social list some weeks ago
11:04.33morsing~seen mozrat
11:04.53ibotmozrat <i=mozrat@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 15d 1h 8m 12s ago, saying: 'excellent. Did you plug it back in this morning for the toaster?'.
11:04.53wethrinI thought nothing came of it
11:04.53morsingMaybe
11:05.12YoussefAssadbo?
11:05.46YoussefAssadjeg hedder sagtens ikk' Bo, hvis det er hvad du mener :)
11:10.56morsingYoussefAssad: Errmm... It's just my friend Bo always types hullo in emails...
11:11.01morsingBut you're not him then?
11:11.52YoussefAssadnope :)
11:13.49wethrinmorsing: I seem to remember something being discussed on the main Gllug list, but nothing coming of it
11:14.18morsingYoussefAssad: Which model is your SpeedTouch modem?
11:15.38wethrinAha. Yes, nothing came out of it
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11:25.01morsingYoussefAssad!
11:25.32morsingYoussefAssad: When I try to login to your modem, it just times out
11:28.40YoussefA1sadmorsing: not mine, the café's modem
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11:29.16YoussefA1sadas you cansee, this thing's as flaky as a 14 year old anorexic cheerleader with a myspace account
11:30.51morsingeyore!
11:31.15eyorethat's pretty flaky
11:31.24morsing:) :) :D
11:32.36YoussefA1sadaye
11:32.44morsingWELCOME BACK!
11:33.38YoussefA1sadis it CAPS LOCK DAY?
11:33.58wethrinIT IS!
11:34.25YoussefA1sadOH. OKAY.
11:35.10YoussefA1sadAKA SENIOR CITIZENS ON IRC DAY
11:35.42wethrinHALF PAST FOUR
11:43.17morsingNice
11:44.45morsingSpecial K was just here :)
11:44.53morsingHey man - Cawfy?
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12:38.54morsingJasperw!
12:40.56morsingwethrin?
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12:42.00morsingcatalyst!
12:42.27catalystmorsing!
12:44.18LeedsRocky!
12:44.33morsingSway-y!
12:45.37morsingLeeds?
12:51.05morsingMjaouuuu
12:54.44wethrinmorsing?
12:56.53boudiccasmorsing regrest to announce that he's been taken over by the cat! And that therefore you humnas waon't understand what he says
12:59.06morsingwethrin: Trying to get a quote for installing my consumer unit
12:59.25morsingMy friend who was an electrician says it should be around 150-25-
12:59.30morsing150-250
12:59.37morsingboudiccas:
12:59.39morsingBaa
12:59.41wethrinHm
12:59.58boudiccashmm
13:01.32morsingHmmm
13:37.16morsingWhat's an ADT/RDAC?
13:39.10Leedsan acronym with missing context
13:40.11morsingLogical drive not on preferred path due to ADT/RDAC failover
13:40.16morsingFrom the event log
13:47.20morsingibot fruit
13:47.31iboti guess fruit is an apple, for example
13:47.31morsingLeeds?
13:48.54morsingibot fruit is also bad for you
13:48.56ibotACTION throws large quantities of rotten frute at is also bad for you
13:49.07morsingibot huh?
13:49.08ibotWelcome to ICQ.
13:49.11morsingibot meat
13:49.12ibotmeaty: apt
13:49.21morsingibot meat is good for you
13:49.22ibot...but meat is already something else...
13:49.26morsingibot meat is also good for you
13:49.28ibotokay, morsing
13:49.29morsingibot meat
13:49.30ibotmeaty: apt, or good for you
13:49.34morsing?
13:49.41morsingLeeds: ADT/RDAC?
13:50.53serrishi morsing
13:51.35boudiccasserris;
13:53.06serrishow's it going?
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13:53.58boudiccaskilling times in a trivia quiz untiol my new [2nd hand] monitors arrive at about 1700ish
13:55.06boudiccasserris; hows your holiday going
13:55.13serrisIt ended Sunday
13:55.17serrisWent back to work on Monday
13:55.30boudiccasoh, bad luck :)
13:55.42serrisBut I've been off since tuesday morning so I went and got some chicken and made mashed potatoes with fried chicken and canned peaches
13:55.51serrisThey're actually home made jarred peaches but either will work
13:56.04boudiccasenjoyed the treat of daylight wake and darkness asleep? :)
13:56.16serrisNo
13:56.29serrisI slept from 2:30PM - 10:30PM yesterday
13:56.32boudiccasno! alien concept to you now?
13:56.49serrisI was woken up by my wife sometime during the night to alert me that my mate is over but I just told her I'll be up in a minute and fell right back to sleep
13:57.06boudiccaslol
13:57.13serrisAnd I've been up since then
13:57.53boudiccassounds like when you crash you'll sleep like the proverbail babe
13:58.13serrisWell during my 1 week off, my cousin and his bird were visiting me
13:58.22serrisFor some reason I couldn't get more than 3-4 hours of sleep at a time
13:58.39serrisSo during my time off I only really slept about 30 hours
13:58.51serrisIn the entire week
13:58.55serrisSo I wasn't too happy about that
13:59.04boudiccassounds like you're circadian rhythms are screwed up and out of kilter
13:59.10serristhey rae
13:59.11serrisare
13:59.20serrisI used to be good at switching my sleeping scheduels
13:59.31boudiccasthats not good for you generally health-wise
14:00.10serrisA lot of things aren't good health-wise in general so I'm not too worried
14:00.26serrisThis whole 4 hour sleeping thing in weird patterns did mock up my working habbit
14:00.42boudiccashow long have you been working nights?
14:00.56morsingNice
14:01.06serrisOver a year but my sleeping scheduel hasn't been right for about 7 years
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14:01.41boudiccasshit! if you were a patient of mine I'd be referring you to a sleep clinic!
14:02.16serrisNormal sleeping patterns are boring
14:02.35boudiccasbut necassary
14:03.02serrisI'm happy with it. It's not as bad as before where it was about 6 hours of sleep every 2-3 days
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14:08.32boudiccasgoibhniu; many thanks, the cap arrived yesterday [I had to pick it up from the parcels office as my postman didn't want to squash it by putting it through the letterbox!]
14:09.51goibhniuboudiccas: may it forever protect you from rabid squirrells and pigeon shite
14:10.05boudiccaslol
14:12.27goibhniuI had an exciting time since I was last here ... harddrive died, ordered a new laptop, pulled an archlinux based frankenstein laptop together .. and then forgot to bring a cable to plug it in
14:13.18goibhniuarchlinux is the bomb by the way ... I have no idea how they do it ... but it absolutely freakin screams on a celeron with 246Mb ram running off a usb hd
14:14.13antiphaseHave they solved the time travel problem or something?
14:14.51goibhniuway faster than I had ubuntu on a 1.8Ghz P4M 1Gb ram with internal hd
14:16.05goibhniuthere has to be some evil spirits involved
14:38.43morsingNice
14:38.48cpufreakwww.phonetrace.org
14:38.53morsingcpufreak!
14:42.36Leedswww.phoneticrace.org
14:43.40antiphaseThat's not as good
15:15.40morsingNice
15:57.20morsingGrapefruit juice
16:00.32morsingwethrin?
16:07.36wethrinYes?
16:08.56Leedsnow... if you look at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6214108.stm which has a picture of a stack of - presumably - 'pirate' DVDs... the one visible on top is still, I believe, the highest-grossing movie ever
16:09.14morsingwethrin: Do you want to go out for a glass of grapefruit juice sometime?
16:09.14wethrin"to protect the entertainment industry" Uhhhhhuh
16:09.53wethrinmorsing: If by grapefruit juice you mean beer, and glass you mean pint, yes
16:11.15boudiccasLeeds; i don't recognise it. what is it please?
16:11.31Leedsboudiccas: Titanic
16:11.43boudiccasah, ty
16:12.17Leedsfrom wikipedia: "It holds the record for the highest-grossing film of all time, generating over US$1.8 billion worldwide."
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16:12.43boudiccasthats a lot of pennies! :)
16:13.03Leedsbut it would have been 20% higher if not for evil pirates, apparently!
16:13.26LeedsI guess they were actually responsible for sinking the ship...
16:14.44wethrinDon't reveal the ending!
16:15.33boudiccasdid you know that after the sinking, people went into mourning and used black teddy bears to assist their mourning
16:15.52Leedshmm... past midnight... /me considers popping out to 7-11 for a beer or two
16:17.18morsingJasperw!
16:18.44wethrinbeer++
16:19.15Leedsbeer available from the convenience stores at either end of my street, 24 hours a day, is even better
16:20.04wethrinQuite
16:34.21z00daxmorning
16:34.31z00daxerr. or something
16:34.38Leedsz00dax: morning :-)
16:35.18z00daxi really need to start keeping regular hours ..
16:35.32wethrinI keep regular hours. They're in my desk drawer.
16:35.46Leedsme too... was going to get an early night, am busy on #python, seriously considering buying beer from 7-11 at the end of the road
16:36.01wethrinHow's the jobhunting going?
16:36.05Leedsbadly
16:36.38wethrin:(
16:37.29Leedsreally getting a feeling that a) there's not much demand for me in HK b) I'm out of the loop enough that if there was work, I wouldn't be able to find or get it anyway and c) I left it too late, and there's a Christmas/New Year/Chinese New Year period coming up which means nothing will happen until mid-February
16:37.41Leedsalso, got personal stuff going on...
16:38.30Leedswent to this *huge* telecoms tradeshow yesterday - 600+ booths, some up to 3 stories, at least a couple with *lifts* - and the three closest things I got to job contacts were someone in Israel, someone in the Philippines, and pdr's bro in Beijing
16:38.56antiphaseThere are loads of jobs in London
16:39.06Leedsnot for me there aren't
16:39.10wethrinLeeds: They weren't looking for a programmer?
16:39.16Leedswethrin: who?
16:39.26wethrinThe telcom people
16:39.38wethrinOr are you not looking for programming stuff?
16:39.50Leedssome may have been... but it was all products and marketing - and none of them seem to do dev work in HK
16:40.53wethrinAh
16:41.23Leedsthat's the issue, more than anything - lack of demand... which appears to be leading to lack of supply... which leads to lack of demand...
16:42.19wethrinHK isn't really the software dev centre of the world, though
16:44.14LeedsI know... but I didn't think the market here was so small and insular
16:44.50Leedsz00dax: as in his home? :-)
16:45.40z00daxya
16:45.53z00daxsurly he wont mind will he  ?
16:46.01z00dax+e
16:46.33z00daxnrn
16:46.35z00daxbrb
16:47.11wethrinHmm.....I suppose he has a large house in Aylesbury :)
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16:50.06LeedsJohnDoe666!
16:50.17JohnDoe666Leeds!
16:50.34Leedshow are you?
16:51.18JohnDoe666not bad
16:51.23JohnDoe666how are you?
16:51.42Leedsbeen better
16:52.21JohnDoe666get some beer, watch a movie - that helps  (most of the time)
16:53.07Leedswatched a movie already... considering getting some beer... it's heading for 1am, so I should probably just sleep
16:53.59JohnDoe666where are you now?
16:54.25Leedslying on my bed, being the only surface in my studio not entirely covered by junk
16:55.24boudiccasJohnDoe666; pssst, he's in Hong Kong if you didn't know
16:56.15JohnDoe666..upsss, that reminds me that I didn't look into the ticket of our HK customer today..
16:57.12LeedsJohnDoe666: hmm... customer in HK?  do they need coders? :-)
16:57.12JohnDoe666boudiccas: inetnum:      210.245.153.192 - 210.245.153.255
16:57.12JohnDoe666netname:      YUMING-HK
16:57.12JohnDoe666country:      HK
16:58.20boudiccasJohnDoe666; not me. someone's nicked my name
16:58.29JohnDoe666Leeds: I don't think so, but they have an unstable system and their procedure for that is switching the hardware to a different blade
16:58.59JohnDoe666boudiccas: thats the range Leeds is coming from
16:59.17boudiccasah, i see. ty
16:59.24JohnDoe666he didn't cover his tracks
16:59.54LeedsI'm not attempting to cover my tracks, and it's amazing how many people will try guessing for ages before just whois and tracing me
17:00.12JohnDoe666;-)
17:00.35boudiccasi hope colin hurries up with my new [to me] monitors, as i'm getting hungry and want my tea
17:00.43LeedsI suspect they don't know how to do it
17:01.18LeedsJohnDoe666: as a serious point... if you happened to have anything approaching a contact in Hong Kong who might know anything about development work here...
17:02.36JohnDoe666Leeds: sorry, that is just a customer and he only got me on the phone because they called out premium line outside APAC office hours..
17:02.53JohnDoe666but I can try to pull some contacts
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17:04.33JohnDoe666moin Gunde
17:04.39Gundemoin (-:
17:05.01murbGunde: i thought your boss forbid "chatting" at work?
17:05.02LeedsJohnDoe666: eternal gratitude would follow, possibly expressed as beer :-)
17:05.24Gundemurb: everybody else is upstairs having a drink
17:05.39murbGunde: so you really shouldn't be on irc!
17:05.52Gundemurb: Not explicitly forbidding, but I tend not to do it too much.
17:05.54wethrinHow can an academic institution not allow chatting at work?
17:06.17Gundemurb: Why not?
17:06.26murbGunde: because you should be upstairs also.
17:07.13JohnDoe666Gunde: the game is called "socialising"
17:07.14Gundemurb: I was.
17:07.41GundePeople coming down now anyway.
17:07.55JohnDoe666everyone has to hang around though nobody likes each other - but then there is always beer around
17:08.00GundeJohnDoe666: How would "Praesenz zeigen" be translated?
17:08.16wethrinShow your presence?
17:08.16JohnDoe666be present
17:08.22wethrinShow oneself
17:08.29JohnDoe666to show off
17:08.42Gundebe present is too weak, rather explicitly show you are there.
17:09.57JohnDoe666you don't need the beer if you have a bad memory, like i have
17:10.39Gundeit was champagne and chocolate. The latter one is preferred by me. (-:
17:11.36GundeOh, I need two more colloquial expressions in English, meaning the same: "Rundablage" and "Ablage P"
17:12.35JohnDoe666ok, replace the champagne with "vodka ahoi"..   Folder B(in)
17:13.01GundeFolder B will be widely understood?
17:13.37JohnDoe666don't know.. if they understand PEBKAC, they should also understand that one
17:14.25Leedsthe round filing cabinet
17:14.43murbfile 13
17:14.56murbfor unsolicited CVs.
17:15.22GundeWhy 13?
17:15.32murbalthough i don't mind so much now i have a stove.
17:15.55JohnDoe666hmm, thermal re-use
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17:58.50Leedsbed time... beer first?
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18:00.49YoussefAssadLeeds: never go to bed sober. First rule of life
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18:41.50Leedshttp://www.wanderingjew.co.uk/static/7-11/allindex.html
18:50.33catalyst``YoussefAssad: wooo! I'm winning already!
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20:33.49z00daxYoussefAssad:
20:45.36morsingz00dax!
20:45.50z00daxmorsing: how are you doing ?
20:46.05morsingI'm ok thank-you. How are you?
20:46.20z00daxyeah, not bad. Actually quite pleased with myself.
20:47.28morsingReally?
20:56.13morsingWhy?
20:57.09z00daxI've now got enough ppc64 stuff built from centos5 to have a remove openpower720 machine run it
20:58.16z00daxs/remove/remote/
21:00.40YoussefAssad'lo
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21:29.14JAVhello
21:43.49gunde/whois jmp jmp
21:43.53gundegrmp
21:44.05gundeWhy does chatzilla do that, anybody knows?
21:44.22gundeEven if i type in a command it just automatically places a /say in front of it
21:54.37cpufreakanyone hear have costco membership?
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