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00:07.21gundegoodnight
00:27.50wethrinDid you not turn up to London.pm?
00:30.37rhowewethrin: I went to .pm, but not the gllug talk
00:30.45rhowewethrin: By the time I left the office, it was a bit late for gllug
00:31.47wethrinTut :-P
00:32.05wethrinWhy aren't you on the london.pm IRC channel?
00:34.47rhoweI don't do perl
00:46.31wethrinThere's less Perl-related stuff on there than Linux-related stuff here
00:49.47rhoweheh
00:50.05rhoweNot only that, but since when do I have time to IRC lately?
00:50.40z00daxwell, you are here now
00:50.56rhoweonly because I'm drinking water after london.pm's beerfest
00:52.25wethrinrhowe: Get a minion!
00:52.32wethrinTea++
00:52.46wethrinWas London.pm good?
00:52.58z00daxgllug was nice
00:52.58rhowewethrin: wILL BE GETTING ONE IN jAN
00:53.32wethrinwILL HE BE ABLE TO WORK CAPS LOCK?
00:54.07rhowewethrin: Hey, I just switched to 1920x1440 on 17" screen and I'm a metre away :P
00:54.22rhowewethrin: It's pretty hard to tell the difference :)
00:54.22wethrinOH, OKAY
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06:07.22morsingcatalyst!
06:08.07catalystmorsing!
06:08.18catalystwhat are you doing up at 6am?
06:08.25morsingWorking
06:08.35morsingYou?
06:11.11catalyst...working too
06:11.15catalystbut I've been up all night
06:16.23morsingNice
07:43.07morsingWhy?
07:44.21morsinghttp://videos.streetfire.net/recentvideos/3/9ba79b1e-2ae0-4acd-8a3d-988f01445abc.htm
07:59.20morsingWee
08:20.25morsingAnyone awake?
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08:31.45morsingProvito!
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08:48.12morsinggoibhniu!
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09:05.43morsingProvito!
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09:07.52morsingkeithlard_!
09:08.01keithlard_hello :)
09:08.07keithlard_how are you?
09:10.22morsingGood thanks
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09:10.33morsingSlayerXP!
09:10.48morsingHow's your brother, Blapto?
09:14.28sabinef72morsinggggggggggggggggg
09:21.06morsingsabinef72!
09:23.32SlayerXPand how is our resident hot french chick today?
09:29.04serrismorning all
09:33.50morsing:(
09:33.59morsingsabinef72: You don't have to...
09:34.02morsingserris!
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09:47.45serrishello morsing
09:50.05Leedshello, hello
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09:50.35failuremorsing!
09:53.14morsingfailure!
09:53.17morsingfailure!
09:55.59halioink!
10:12.55Leedsokay, so I have hundreds of accidentally-artistic pictures... put my camera on continuous-shoot mode, to try to catch the dolphins... didn't realise it was also on black&white mode
10:22.37Leedshttp://www.wanderingjew.co.uk/static/dolp1.jpg and dolp2.jpg, taken back-to-back, unshrunk 7mpixel images
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10:23.59morsingJasperw!
10:25.11keithlard_nice!
10:25.54morsing:)
10:30.44SlayerXPthe second pic looks like you've tried to fake icebergs
10:30.52SlayerXPand, dude, get a zoom lens
10:32.38LeedsSlayerXP: dude, it's a point'n'shoot, and I was standing up on a boat at the time
10:32.56SlayerXPexcuses excsues
10:32.59keithlard_...which would make it awful difficult to get a sharp picture with a long lens
10:33.08SlayerXPkeithlard: err, no, it wouldn't
10:33.26SlayerXPthat's what the "Tv" setting is for :)
10:35.33keithlard_yay! photography chat!
10:36.17keithlard_i like your domain name as well leeds
10:37.34keithlard_slayerxp> i thought that setting was for if you are taking pictures of a Tv?
10:37.45Leedskeithlard_: thanks...
10:47.52serrisI just bought a 17 quid Christmas tree and put it together.. it looks interesting
10:47.58serrisI think those are my only words towards it
10:56.37Leedsoh, and just for a bonus this morning, as well as the dolphins and great weather, we had a couple of dragonflies buzzing around - I like them, they eat wasps - a couple of black butterflies, the odd bird, and little shoals of flying fish skimming over the water like a thrown stone...
10:57.01keithlard_superb!
10:58.53Leedswe also got buzzed by a chopper :-)
11:01.42Leedsnot that I paid - it was a birthday present - but it's a pretty good morning out for £21-22 or so, including transfers and soft drinks and biscuits on the boat
11:03.33Leedsoh, and I appear to have accidentally arranged a latin dance party this evening...
11:05.21SlayerXPthat was careless of you
11:05.34Leedssuch things happen
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11:20.10morsinghuw-l!
11:26.30morsingIf I use mutt in threaded mode, how do I see if a new mail has come in?
11:27.18keithlard_istr there is a jump to next unread key or something like that
11:28.32morsingWell, in Pine even if my window isn't active, I immediately notice if I get a new mail
11:31.54morsingping wethrin
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11:39.21morsinggoibhniu!
11:42.51goibhniumorsing!
12:02.28morsingm
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12:22.56Leedsbarny!
12:24.20LeedsbananaYellow: that means you...
12:29.37bananaYellowme ?
12:31.00bananaYellowLeeds: what do you mean ? who is barny ?
12:31.01wethrinmorsing: hello?
12:32.52LeedsbananaYellow: a badly-spelled short form of your nick
12:33.45LeedsbananaYellow: excuse my frivolity - I've had a good day, and I'm looking forward to a possibly good night
12:34.09bananaYellowLeeds: ah i see,
12:34.19bananaYellowa good day ? it is only half the day
12:34.22bananaYellowwhere are u ?
12:34.39Leedseast.  waaay east
12:34.53bananaYellowi see
12:35.13bananaYellowme i am wayyy london , waaaaaaaaaaay london
12:35.47Leedsah, tornado alley
12:37.14Leedsso... are you here to hang out?  got anything on your mind?
12:39.10bananaYellowhang out and everything else, I wouldnt mind getting a position as a junior sys admin somwhere
12:42.32Leedshttp://www.outblaze.com/main.php?id=career&page=career_main&doc=career_hk :-)
12:44.35bananaYellowLeeds: cool
12:46.23z00daxhola Leeds
12:47.16bananaYellowz00dax: yes it is me
12:47.22wethrinWhich uni?
12:47.27bananaYellowwestminster
12:47.39wethrinAh. You got some form of computing society?
12:48.03bananaYellowz00dax: i've just subscribed to the list ;-)
12:48.09z00daxyay!
12:48.37boudiccaswe had a power blip last night such that my computer froze and then required rebooting. now i can't get openoffice to open or repair two documents that were open at the time, although i've opened them in kword and kspread. any ideas how i can force openoffice to reuse the original documents please?
12:48.56bananaYellowwethrin: well we dont really have 1. not Linux/Unix oriented anyway. but with some friends we are thinking of making a LInux user group hopefully weekly for beginners
12:49.26wethrinRight. Err....I'll prod you later about something, then
12:49.29z00daxboudiccas: copy them off elsewhere, open with the laternative app - kword, then saveas something else that OOo understands, then open in OOo
12:49.31wethrinNeed to nip into cleanroom and go to lunch
12:49.38wethrincatch you later
12:49.49boudiccasz00dax; ty
12:49.59z00daxboudiccas: might not work, but worth a try
12:50.09bananaYellowboudiccas: what if you open the docs with the softs that can open and then u copy and paste in a new file on open office ?
12:50.55boudiccasi've tried copying over an uncorrupted copy from the backup, and Oo is still balking at opening it. its almost as if the program [openoffice] is corrupted now
12:51.25boudiccasbananaYellow; thats certailnly an idea
12:51.32z00daxboudiccas: rename it and try
12:51.42boudiccask, ty all
12:51.42Leedsboudiccas: using the packaging database on your system, check the checksums of your binaries
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12:58.57bananaYellowwhat are the characteristics ( personality + knowledge ) you would expect in a junior sys admin/trainee ?
13:00.14Leedswilling to be on call and work stupid hours for crappy money... there may be other requirements...
13:01.53bananaYellowLeeds: is that it ?
13:02.09bananaYellowcome on mister/lady  "waaaaaaaay east"
13:02.20LeedsI'm not the right person to ask - I'm not now, and have never been, a sysadmin
13:02.43bananaYellowLeeds: :)
13:02.54bananaYellowLeeds: what is your field ?
13:03.39LeedsLinux/Unix/Python dev
13:05.48bananaYellowLeeds: i see
13:05.55bananaYellowhow do you find python ?
13:06.32Leedsvery good
13:06.46bananaYellowwhy ?
13:08.32morsinggoibhniu!
13:08.37morsingbananaGreen!
13:09.47bananaYellowmorsing: lol
13:11.47goibhniuibot make morsing a coffee
13:11.52ibotACTION brews a nice hot cup of coffee for morsing a
13:13.17goibhniuthanks a million ibot
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13:13.26morsingfailure!
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13:25.58morsingibot!
13:51.17Leedshttp://www.latin2asia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13
13:52.12Leedsooh, warm pants
13:53.35Leedsand the party spreads!
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13:58.10sabinef72morsing: I know I don't "have to" but I like it !
13:59.28morsingsabinef72!
13:59.32morsing:)
13:59.43morsingmcgrof_!
14:00.43Leedsand /me is out of here!
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14:08.58morsingstephanb2!
14:09.19stephanb2morsing!
14:12.28keithlardpython rules
14:19.11morsingJava sucks
14:23.16keithlardalthough i like ruby better :>
14:24.08mcgrof_morsing!!! :) Hey thanks a lot for help getting the ball rolling with this
14:24.31mcgrof_Java is GPL, so I can now say: quit your bitching and go fix what you don't like :-P
14:26.16haliand enjoy maintaining your fork :)
14:28.53mcgrof_yeah good point, same thing with Solaris 10 -- but hey, at least you can! And actually a pubic fork of java might actually not be a bad idea if Sun is not as willing to accept most public patches.
14:38.31boudiccaswhich is the better of these two books for the absolute beginner please ......... Python for Dummies, or ......Python for the Absolute Beginner?
14:39.30keithlardis that beginning programmer or beginning python programmer?
14:39.49boudiccasboth :)
14:40.27boudiccasthe last programming that i did was on my trusty old spectrum, well over ten years ago
14:41.08goibhniuboudiccas: have a look at http://www.awaretek.com/python/index.html
14:41.30goibhniuhe does lots of reviews of python books
14:41.57goibhniuand the perfect podcast for python peginners
14:43.41boudiccasgoibhniu; thanks, I've never used a podcast before, so it will be a novel experience  :)
14:44.54keithlardprobably the python tutorial itself is one of the best beginning books
14:54.18goibhniuboudiccas: http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/ how to think like a computer scientist is a classic and "dive into python" is a nice follow on
14:54.46keithlarddive into python is terrific, but it's not for beginners by any means
14:55.24keithlardthat is not to say don't read it, but it might be rather slow going!
14:56.43goibhniuI haven't found anything that covers the newer features like decorators, which are used all over the place now
15:25.27boudiccasso, out of all the suggestions you've given me [for which I am grateful] which should I read first please?
15:29.30keithlardpython tutorial (on python.org)
15:29.44boudiccaskeithlard; ty
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15:44.03morsingCope!
15:47.24keithlardyaay cope!
15:57.38morsingNice
15:57.46morsingLeeds?
15:57.49morsingwethrin?
16:09.12wethrinmorsing?
16:09.24mcgrof_anyone have a big house and wouldn't mind offering a few linux geeks a place to crash for 2-3 days during January 2007?
16:10.22wethrinEmail the list :)
16:11.57murbmcgrof_: in what part of the world?
16:14.37mcgrof_murb: * if that counts
16:15.22morsingwethrin: Forgot what it waas now
16:15.41wethrinmorsing: Pah :-P
16:19.36morsingwethrin: Grapefruit juice?
16:19.56wethrinMaybe
16:22.29wethrinBah. It seems to be my day to clean the cleanroom
16:23.20wethrinOnly the air
16:23.22wethrinNot the floor
16:23.23morsingNice
16:23.27morsingBeer
16:24.05wethrinsoon
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16:25.51Copehello?
16:26.00Copei lost connection
16:26.09Copekeithlard - still here?
16:26.48keithlardyep :>
16:26.57morsingCope!
16:27.08morsingkeithlard!
16:27.10morsingwethrin!
16:27.30rhowehmm
16:27.34Copeooh hello rhowe
16:27.39rhoweI can get a tax-deductible bike
16:27.44rhoweafternoon Cope
16:27.46rhowehmmm
16:28.02wethrinrhowe: Because you're a Londoner?
16:28.10rhoweperhaps Friday afternoon isn't the best time to have updated from 5.0.0 to 6.1.0pre3 of our webserver software
16:28.23wethrinYou shouldnt' do anythign on Friday afternoon
16:28.53keithlardwe have a rule 'no rollouts on fridays' :D
16:29.12wethrinRoll out the barrel!
16:29.37boudiccasWe'll have a barrel of fun!
16:31.25morsingI have a rule, no work on a Friday
16:31.53morsingAaaaaand... Leaving - Have a good weekend!
16:32.56wethrinYou too!
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17:25.40haliso, hm, beer!
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17:26.14LeedsTreoz00dax: ping?
17:27.07LeedsTreoblah...
17:30.18LeedsHKbye-bye
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18:35.51Coperelo
18:40.10Copeanyone around?
18:40.17gundeyep
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19:16.07trousers_laptopHowdy
19:16.25trousers_laptopBe right back
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19:16.56trousers_laptopBack :)
19:18.35trousers_laptopI've been playing with Wii bluetooth -- anybody else done so?
19:29.46Leedstrousers_laptop: don't have a Wii yet
19:30.25Copeleeds!
19:30.33LeedsCope!
19:30.59trousers_laptopLeeds: Neither do I, I'm at a friend's house
19:32.26z00daxLeeds: no email from you - have a reply from the other guy in HK
19:33.04Leedsz00dax: I saw the mail from your mail, your reply, then the other mail from the guy here - this was at about 1am while Annabel was off trying to buy some fags...
19:33.21LeedsI replied, but Google gave me an error, then wouldn't let me check my sent-mail folder to see if it had gone
19:33.31Leeds"mail from your mate"
19:33.38z00daxnope, nothing made it out from your end ( thats come to me as yet )
19:34.13Leedsoh, well, I shall send CV now, with minimal text to avoid drunken contents
19:34.34Leedsas ever - thanks :-)
19:37.01z00daxall good, as long as something works out for you
19:37.10z00daxI need to get going, be back online late at night
19:37.31Leedssent...
19:37.47trousers_laptopWhat's all this about
19:38.07rhowe<PROTECTED>
19:39.01Copei've been asked to develop, well to implement a tool  that will enable tracking of project workstreams via a web front-end; seems a bit like a bugzilla system, but nowhere nearly as complicated
19:39.10Leeds'workstreams'?
19:39.29Copedo you think it's best to use an off-the-shelf tool such as trac or bugzilla? or write something myself, since the functionality i need is minimal?
19:40.11Copewell... take a given project; so achieve each project there will be various threads of actions for which various tems are responsible; these are workstreams.
19:40.27Leedsdo you have to do stuff like track inter-project dependencies?
19:40.51Leeds(okay, I can't be that drunk, if I can ask a question like that - without having to retype it two or three times)
19:43.31Copedoesn't need to be that sophisticated, no
19:44.04Leedsthen I'd probably write my own - if it's just a simple state machine
19:44.26Copewhat it needs really is a front-end which allows a new "project" to be entered, and updates and next actions and owners to be added.
19:44.31Copeand reports run on the data
19:44.43Copesounds to me like a simple database backend with a web front end
19:44.44Leedsand for the record, I have to think that "[Gllug] Xen hotplug problems (was Tornado in London)" ranks up there with all-time great subject lines
19:44.49Leedsyes
19:45.01Copesqllite?
19:45.08Leedsnormally, yes
19:46.04Leedsdepends on your expected traffic, I would say - and I'd assume the answer is "minimal" in this case
19:47.51Copeminimal yes, I'd say less that a dozen concurrent users
19:48.11Leedswriters?
19:48.16Copeyes
19:48.33Copemore reader - maybe 50 or so
19:48.48Copebut that's just simple db lookups
19:49.29Copei think a trac or bugzilla thing would be a) way too complicated and b) not really easy to customise to look like it's designed for the task in hand
19:49.41Copetoo complicated for the users i mean - overkill
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20:04.41Leeds'night all... there shall be none of this stupid "getting out of bed before noon" crap tomorrow
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20:50.25JAVhi
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21:18.52morsingChris-!
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21:33.00haliHello
22:05.11trousers_laptopmorsing!
22:05.22trousers_laptophali!
22:05.31halitrousers_laptop!
22:05.38trousers_laptopHow's it going?
22:05.40haliso why aren't we in the pub? :)
22:05.58trousers_laptopMe?
22:06.03trousers_laptopI'm 15?
22:06.32haliok :)
22:07.07halii get your point
22:07.28halifirst night in a long while im in this early... feels great
22:09.46trousers_laptopTrying to get the Wii-mote working over bluetooth with PCs :)
22:10.14haliso you haven't managed to break anything with it yet? :)
22:32.26trousers_laptophali: Not yet, but I can read all button information... Have yet to parse the information yet
22:47.54Erwinsomeone posted a python script to do it, it's apparently a pretty simple protocol

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