00:07.21 | gunde | goodnight |
00:27.50 | wethrin | Did you not turn up to London.pm? |
00:30.37 | rhowe | wethrin: I went to .pm, but not the gllug talk |
00:30.45 | rhowe | wethrin: By the time I left the office, it was a bit late for gllug |
00:31.47 | wethrin | Tut :-P |
00:32.05 | wethrin | Why aren't you on the london.pm IRC channel? |
00:34.47 | rhowe | I don't do perl |
00:46.31 | wethrin | There's less Perl-related stuff on there than Linux-related stuff here |
00:49.47 | rhowe | heh |
00:50.05 | rhowe | Not only that, but since when do I have time to IRC lately? |
00:50.40 | z00dax | well, you are here now |
00:50.56 | rhowe | only because I'm drinking water after london.pm's beerfest |
00:52.25 | wethrin | rhowe: Get a minion! |
00:52.32 | wethrin | Tea++ |
00:52.46 | wethrin | Was London.pm good? |
00:52.58 | z00dax | gllug was nice |
00:52.58 | rhowe | wethrin: wILL BE GETTING ONE IN jAN |
00:53.32 | wethrin | wILL HE BE ABLE TO WORK CAPS LOCK? |
00:54.07 | rhowe | wethrin: Hey, I just switched to 1920x1440 on 17" screen and I'm a metre away :P |
00:54.22 | rhowe | wethrin: It's pretty hard to tell the difference :) |
00:54.22 | wethrin | OH, OKAY |
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06:07.22 | morsing | catalyst! |
06:08.07 | catalyst | morsing! |
06:08.18 | catalyst | what are you doing up at 6am? |
06:08.25 | morsing | Working |
06:08.35 | morsing | You? |
06:11.11 | catalyst | ...working too |
06:11.15 | catalyst | but I've been up all night |
06:16.23 | morsing | Nice |
07:43.07 | morsing | Why? |
07:44.21 | morsing | http://videos.streetfire.net/recentvideos/3/9ba79b1e-2ae0-4acd-8a3d-988f01445abc.htm |
07:59.20 | morsing | Wee |
08:20.25 | morsing | Anyone awake? |
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08:31.45 | morsing | Provito! |
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08:48.12 | morsing | goibhniu! |
08:48.35 | goibhniu | morsing! |
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09:05.43 | morsing | Provito! |
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09:07.52 | morsing | keithlard_! |
09:08.01 | keithlard_ | hello :) |
09:08.07 | keithlard_ | how are you? |
09:10.22 | morsing | Good thanks |
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09:10.33 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
09:10.48 | morsing | How's your brother, Blapto? |
09:14.28 | sabinef72 | morsinggggggggggggggggg |
09:21.06 | morsing | sabinef72! |
09:23.32 | SlayerXP | and how is our resident hot french chick today? |
09:29.04 | serris | morning all |
09:33.50 | morsing | :( |
09:33.59 | morsing | sabinef72: You don't have to... |
09:34.02 | morsing | serris! |
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09:47.45 | serris | hello morsing |
09:50.05 | Leeds | hello, hello |
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09:50.35 | failure | morsing! |
09:53.14 | morsing | failure! |
09:53.17 | morsing | failure! |
09:55.59 | hali | oink! |
10:12.55 | Leeds | okay, so I have hundreds of accidentally-artistic pictures... put my camera on continuous-shoot mode, to try to catch the dolphins... didn't realise it was also on black&white mode |
10:22.37 | Leeds | http://www.wanderingjew.co.uk/static/dolp1.jpg and dolp2.jpg, taken back-to-back, unshrunk 7mpixel images |
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10:23.59 | morsing | Jasperw! |
10:25.11 | keithlard_ | nice! |
10:25.54 | morsing | :) |
10:30.44 | SlayerXP | the second pic looks like you've tried to fake icebergs |
10:30.52 | SlayerXP | and, dude, get a zoom lens |
10:32.38 | Leeds | SlayerXP: dude, it's a point'n'shoot, and I was standing up on a boat at the time |
10:32.56 | SlayerXP | excuses excsues |
10:32.59 | keithlard_ | ...which would make it awful difficult to get a sharp picture with a long lens |
10:33.08 | SlayerXP | keithlard: err, no, it wouldn't |
10:33.26 | SlayerXP | that's what the "Tv" setting is for :) |
10:35.33 | keithlard_ | yay! photography chat! |
10:36.17 | keithlard_ | i like your domain name as well leeds |
10:37.34 | keithlard_ | slayerxp> i thought that setting was for if you are taking pictures of a Tv? |
10:37.45 | Leeds | keithlard_: thanks... |
10:47.52 | serris | I just bought a 17 quid Christmas tree and put it together.. it looks interesting |
10:47.58 | serris | I think those are my only words towards it |
10:56.37 | Leeds | oh, and just for a bonus this morning, as well as the dolphins and great weather, we had a couple of dragonflies buzzing around - I like them, they eat wasps - a couple of black butterflies, the odd bird, and little shoals of flying fish skimming over the water like a thrown stone... |
10:57.01 | keithlard_ | superb! |
10:58.53 | Leeds | we also got buzzed by a chopper :-) |
11:01.42 | Leeds | not that I paid - it was a birthday present - but it's a pretty good morning out for £21-22 or so, including transfers and soft drinks and biscuits on the boat |
11:03.33 | Leeds | oh, and I appear to have accidentally arranged a latin dance party this evening... |
11:05.21 | SlayerXP | that was careless of you |
11:05.34 | Leeds | such things happen |
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11:20.10 | morsing | huw-l! |
11:26.30 | morsing | If I use mutt in threaded mode, how do I see if a new mail has come in? |
11:27.18 | keithlard_ | istr there is a jump to next unread key or something like that |
11:28.32 | morsing | Well, in Pine even if my window isn't active, I immediately notice if I get a new mail |
11:31.54 | morsing | ping wethrin |
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11:39.21 | morsing | goibhniu! |
11:42.51 | goibhniu | morsing! |
12:02.28 | morsing | m |
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12:22.56 | Leeds | barny! |
12:24.20 | Leeds | bananaYellow: that means you... |
12:29.37 | bananaYellow | me ? |
12:31.00 | bananaYellow | Leeds: what do you mean ? who is barny ? |
12:31.01 | wethrin | morsing: hello? |
12:32.52 | Leeds | bananaYellow: a badly-spelled short form of your nick |
12:33.45 | Leeds | bananaYellow: excuse my frivolity - I've had a good day, and I'm looking forward to a possibly good night |
12:34.09 | bananaYellow | Leeds: ah i see, |
12:34.19 | bananaYellow | a good day ? it is only half the day |
12:34.22 | bananaYellow | where are u ? |
12:34.39 | Leeds | east. waaay east |
12:34.53 | bananaYellow | i see |
12:35.13 | bananaYellow | me i am wayyy london , waaaaaaaaaaay london |
12:35.47 | Leeds | ah, tornado alley |
12:37.14 | Leeds | so... are you here to hang out? got anything on your mind? |
12:39.10 | bananaYellow | hang out and everything else, I wouldnt mind getting a position as a junior sys admin somwhere |
12:42.32 | Leeds | http://www.outblaze.com/main.php?id=career&page=career_main&doc=career_hk :-) |
12:44.35 | bananaYellow | Leeds: cool |
12:46.23 | z00dax | hola Leeds |
12:47.16 | bananaYellow | z00dax: yes it is me |
12:47.22 | wethrin | Which uni? |
12:47.27 | bananaYellow | westminster |
12:47.39 | wethrin | Ah. You got some form of computing society? |
12:48.03 | bananaYellow | z00dax: i've just subscribed to the list ;-) |
12:48.09 | z00dax | yay! |
12:48.37 | boudiccas | we had a power blip last night such that my computer froze and then required rebooting. now i can't get openoffice to open or repair two documents that were open at the time, although i've opened them in kword and kspread. any ideas how i can force openoffice to reuse the original documents please? |
12:48.56 | bananaYellow | wethrin: well we dont really have 1. not Linux/Unix oriented anyway. but with some friends we are thinking of making a LInux user group hopefully weekly for beginners |
12:49.26 | wethrin | Right. Err....I'll prod you later about something, then |
12:49.29 | z00dax | boudiccas: copy them off elsewhere, open with the laternative app - kword, then saveas something else that OOo understands, then open in OOo |
12:49.31 | wethrin | Need to nip into cleanroom and go to lunch |
12:49.38 | wethrin | catch you later |
12:49.49 | boudiccas | z00dax; ty |
12:49.59 | z00dax | boudiccas: might not work, but worth a try |
12:50.09 | bananaYellow | boudiccas: what if you open the docs with the softs that can open and then u copy and paste in a new file on open office ? |
12:50.55 | boudiccas | i've tried copying over an uncorrupted copy from the backup, and Oo is still balking at opening it. its almost as if the program [openoffice] is corrupted now |
12:51.25 | boudiccas | bananaYellow; thats certailnly an idea |
12:51.32 | z00dax | boudiccas: rename it and try |
12:51.42 | boudiccas | k, ty all |
12:51.42 | Leeds | boudiccas: using the packaging database on your system, check the checksums of your binaries |
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12:58.57 | bananaYellow | what are the characteristics ( personality + knowledge ) you would expect in a junior sys admin/trainee ? |
13:00.14 | Leeds | willing to be on call and work stupid hours for crappy money... there may be other requirements... |
13:01.53 | bananaYellow | Leeds: is that it ? |
13:02.09 | bananaYellow | come on mister/lady "waaaaaaaay east" |
13:02.20 | Leeds | I'm not the right person to ask - I'm not now, and have never been, a sysadmin |
13:02.43 | bananaYellow | Leeds: :) |
13:02.54 | bananaYellow | Leeds: what is your field ? |
13:03.39 | Leeds | Linux/Unix/Python dev |
13:05.48 | bananaYellow | Leeds: i see |
13:05.55 | bananaYellow | how do you find python ? |
13:06.32 | Leeds | very good |
13:06.46 | bananaYellow | why ? |
13:08.32 | morsing | goibhniu! |
13:08.37 | morsing | bananaGreen! |
13:09.47 | bananaYellow | morsing: lol |
13:11.47 | goibhniu | ibot make morsing a coffee |
13:11.52 | ibot | ACTION brews a nice hot cup of coffee for morsing a |
13:13.17 | goibhniu | thanks a million ibot |
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13:13.26 | morsing | failure! |
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13:25.58 | morsing | ibot! |
13:51.17 | Leeds | http://www.latin2asia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13 |
13:52.12 | Leeds | ooh, warm pants |
13:53.35 | Leeds | and the party spreads! |
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13:58.10 | sabinef72 | morsing: I know I don't "have to" but I like it ! |
13:59.28 | morsing | sabinef72! |
13:59.32 | morsing | :) |
13:59.43 | morsing | mcgrof_! |
14:00.43 | Leeds | and /me is out of here! |
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14:08.58 | morsing | stephanb2! |
14:09.19 | stephanb2 | morsing! |
14:12.28 | keithlard | python rules |
14:19.11 | morsing | Java sucks |
14:23.16 | keithlard | although i like ruby better :> |
14:24.08 | mcgrof_ | morsing!!! :) Hey thanks a lot for help getting the ball rolling with this |
14:24.31 | mcgrof_ | Java is GPL, so I can now say: quit your bitching and go fix what you don't like :-P |
14:26.16 | hali | and enjoy maintaining your fork :) |
14:28.53 | mcgrof_ | yeah good point, same thing with Solaris 10 -- but hey, at least you can! And actually a pubic fork of java might actually not be a bad idea if Sun is not as willing to accept most public patches. |
14:38.31 | boudiccas | which is the better of these two books for the absolute beginner please ......... Python for Dummies, or ......Python for the Absolute Beginner? |
14:39.30 | keithlard | is that beginning programmer or beginning python programmer? |
14:39.49 | boudiccas | both :) |
14:40.27 | boudiccas | the last programming that i did was on my trusty old spectrum, well over ten years ago |
14:41.08 | goibhniu | boudiccas: have a look at http://www.awaretek.com/python/index.html |
14:41.30 | goibhniu | he does lots of reviews of python books |
14:41.57 | goibhniu | and the perfect podcast for python peginners |
14:43.41 | boudiccas | goibhniu; thanks, I've never used a podcast before, so it will be a novel experience :) |
14:44.54 | keithlard | probably the python tutorial itself is one of the best beginning books |
14:54.18 | goibhniu | boudiccas: http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/ how to think like a computer scientist is a classic and "dive into python" is a nice follow on |
14:54.46 | keithlard | dive into python is terrific, but it's not for beginners by any means |
14:55.24 | keithlard | that is not to say don't read it, but it might be rather slow going! |
14:56.43 | goibhniu | I haven't found anything that covers the newer features like decorators, which are used all over the place now |
15:25.27 | boudiccas | so, out of all the suggestions you've given me [for which I am grateful] which should I read first please? |
15:29.30 | keithlard | python tutorial (on python.org) |
15:29.44 | boudiccas | keithlard; ty |
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15:44.03 | morsing | Cope! |
15:47.24 | keithlard | yaay cope! |
15:57.38 | morsing | Nice |
15:57.46 | morsing | Leeds? |
15:57.49 | morsing | wethrin? |
16:09.12 | wethrin | morsing? |
16:09.24 | mcgrof_ | anyone have a big house and wouldn't mind offering a few linux geeks a place to crash for 2-3 days during January 2007? |
16:10.22 | wethrin | Email the list :) |
16:11.57 | murb | mcgrof_: in what part of the world? |
16:14.37 | mcgrof_ | murb: * if that counts |
16:15.22 | morsing | wethrin: Forgot what it waas now |
16:15.41 | wethrin | morsing: Pah :-P |
16:19.36 | morsing | wethrin: Grapefruit juice? |
16:19.56 | wethrin | Maybe |
16:22.29 | wethrin | Bah. It seems to be my day to clean the cleanroom |
16:23.20 | wethrin | Only the air |
16:23.22 | wethrin | Not the floor |
16:23.23 | morsing | Nice |
16:23.27 | morsing | Beer |
16:24.05 | wethrin | soon |
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16:25.51 | Cope | hello? |
16:26.00 | Cope | i lost connection |
16:26.09 | Cope | keithlard - still here? |
16:26.48 | keithlard | yep :> |
16:26.57 | morsing | Cope! |
16:27.08 | morsing | keithlard! |
16:27.10 | morsing | wethrin! |
16:27.30 | rhowe | hmm |
16:27.34 | Cope | ooh hello rhowe |
16:27.39 | rhowe | I can get a tax-deductible bike |
16:27.44 | rhowe | afternoon Cope |
16:27.46 | rhowe | hmmm |
16:28.02 | wethrin | rhowe: Because you're a Londoner? |
16:28.10 | rhowe | perhaps Friday afternoon isn't the best time to have updated from 5.0.0 to 6.1.0pre3 of our webserver software |
16:28.23 | wethrin | You shouldnt' do anythign on Friday afternoon |
16:28.53 | keithlard | we have a rule 'no rollouts on fridays' :D |
16:29.12 | wethrin | Roll out the barrel! |
16:29.37 | boudiccas | We'll have a barrel of fun! |
16:31.25 | morsing | I have a rule, no work on a Friday |
16:31.53 | morsing | Aaaaaand... Leaving - Have a good weekend! |
16:32.56 | wethrin | You too! |
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17:25.40 | hali | so, hm, beer! |
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17:26.14 | LeedsTreo | z00dax: ping? |
17:27.07 | LeedsTreo | blah... |
17:30.18 | LeedsHK | bye-bye |
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18:35.51 | Cope | relo |
18:40.10 | Cope | anyone around? |
18:40.17 | gunde | yep |
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18:46.59 | rhowe | yup |
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19:16.07 | trousers_laptop | Howdy |
19:16.25 | trousers_laptop | Be right back |
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19:16.56 | trousers_laptop | Back :) |
19:18.35 | trousers_laptop | I've been playing with Wii bluetooth -- anybody else done so? |
19:29.46 | Leeds | trousers_laptop: don't have a Wii yet |
19:30.25 | Cope | leeds! |
19:30.33 | Leeds | Cope! |
19:30.59 | trousers_laptop | Leeds: Neither do I, I'm at a friend's house |
19:32.26 | z00dax | Leeds: no email from you - have a reply from the other guy in HK |
19:33.04 | Leeds | z00dax: I saw the mail from your mail, your reply, then the other mail from the guy here - this was at about 1am while Annabel was off trying to buy some fags... |
19:33.21 | Leeds | I replied, but Google gave me an error, then wouldn't let me check my sent-mail folder to see if it had gone |
19:33.31 | Leeds | "mail from your mate" |
19:33.38 | z00dax | nope, nothing made it out from your end ( thats come to me as yet ) |
19:34.13 | Leeds | oh, well, I shall send CV now, with minimal text to avoid drunken contents |
19:34.34 | Leeds | as ever - thanks :-) |
19:37.01 | z00dax | all good, as long as something works out for you |
19:37.10 | z00dax | I need to get going, be back online late at night |
19:37.31 | Leeds | sent... |
19:37.47 | trousers_laptop | What's all this about |
19:38.07 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
19:39.01 | Cope | i've been asked to develop, well to implement a tool that will enable tracking of project workstreams via a web front-end; seems a bit like a bugzilla system, but nowhere nearly as complicated |
19:39.10 | Leeds | 'workstreams'? |
19:39.29 | Cope | do you think it's best to use an off-the-shelf tool such as trac or bugzilla? or write something myself, since the functionality i need is minimal? |
19:40.11 | Cope | well... take a given project; so achieve each project there will be various threads of actions for which various tems are responsible; these are workstreams. |
19:40.27 | Leeds | do you have to do stuff like track inter-project dependencies? |
19:40.51 | Leeds | (okay, I can't be that drunk, if I can ask a question like that - without having to retype it two or three times) |
19:43.31 | Cope | doesn't need to be that sophisticated, no |
19:44.04 | Leeds | then I'd probably write my own - if it's just a simple state machine |
19:44.26 | Cope | what it needs really is a front-end which allows a new "project" to be entered, and updates and next actions and owners to be added. |
19:44.31 | Cope | and reports run on the data |
19:44.43 | Cope | sounds to me like a simple database backend with a web front end |
19:44.44 | Leeds | and for the record, I have to think that "[Gllug] Xen hotplug problems (was Tornado in London)" ranks up there with all-time great subject lines |
19:44.49 | Leeds | yes |
19:45.01 | Cope | sqllite? |
19:45.08 | Leeds | normally, yes |
19:46.04 | Leeds | depends on your expected traffic, I would say - and I'd assume the answer is "minimal" in this case |
19:47.51 | Cope | minimal yes, I'd say less that a dozen concurrent users |
19:48.11 | Leeds | writers? |
19:48.16 | Cope | yes |
19:48.33 | Cope | more reader - maybe 50 or so |
19:48.48 | Cope | but that's just simple db lookups |
19:49.29 | Cope | i think a trac or bugzilla thing would be a) way too complicated and b) not really easy to customise to look like it's designed for the task in hand |
19:49.41 | Cope | too complicated for the users i mean - overkill |
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20:04.41 | Leeds | 'night all... there shall be none of this stupid "getting out of bed before noon" crap tomorrow |
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20:50.25 | JAV | hi |
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21:18.52 | morsing | Chris-! |
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21:33.00 | hali | Hello |
22:05.11 | trousers_laptop | morsing! |
22:05.22 | trousers_laptop | hali! |
22:05.31 | hali | trousers_laptop! |
22:05.38 | trousers_laptop | How's it going? |
22:05.40 | hali | so why aren't we in the pub? :) |
22:05.58 | trousers_laptop | Me? |
22:06.03 | trousers_laptop | I'm 15? |
22:06.32 | hali | ok :) |
22:07.07 | hali | i get your point |
22:07.28 | hali | first night in a long while im in this early... feels great |
22:09.46 | trousers_laptop | Trying to get the Wii-mote working over bluetooth with PCs :) |
22:10.14 | hali | so you haven't managed to break anything with it yet? :) |
22:32.26 | trousers_laptop | hali: Not yet, but I can read all button information... Have yet to parse the information yet |
22:47.54 | Erwin | someone posted a python script to do it, it's apparently a pretty simple protocol |