| 00:00.04 | pdr | a bit stresful with martina's friends over from nl |
| 00:00.23 | pdr | i like visitors but it's a lot of effort |
| 00:00.30 | pdr | how about you? |
| 00:06.54 | z00dax | been amazingly hectic |
| 00:07.12 | z00dax | not what I had planned, but what it turned into - I've not really been home more than 12 hrs in the last 3 days. |
| 00:07.35 | z00dax | hopefully, that will change - and with the office officially closed till the 4th, i might even get some resting and computer game playing in |
| 00:07.42 | z00dax | I got myself a nice set of speakers today :) |
| 00:09.21 | z00dax | btw, does anyone know that Juergen Schinker fellow ? |
| 00:18.15 | wethrin | G ENTOO! |
| 00:24.30 | trousers_laptop | z00dax: Seems to be something Gentoo related, yes |
| 00:32.17 | z00dax | 'something' and not 'someone' ? |
| 00:32.38 | z00dax | btw, what do most people do around new years in London ? |
| 00:32.47 | z00dax | for a change, I am going to really be in town |
| 00:33.43 | trousers_laptop | I think we should have a GLLUG meeting :) |
| 00:34.02 | z00dax | *shudder* |
| 00:34.03 | z00dax | pass |
| 00:34.20 | trousers_laptop | Why? |
| 00:36.33 | z00dax | I had more of shake-a-leg with some pretty faces sort-of-a-thing-in-mind |
| 00:37.04 | trousers_laptop | I don't do much leg shaking with the pretty face variety :( |
| 00:39.40 | z00dax | me neither, nowhere near the amount I'd like to |
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| 00:41.16 | trousers_ | Well, I think that's generally true irrelevant of who you are as long as you're male |
| 00:44.46 | Leeds | I've got an invite to a party in Clearwater Bay... could always go down to Times Square, of course... |
| 00:45.12 | pdr | Leeds: where are you now? |
| 00:45.14 | z00dax | NYC ? |
| 00:45.21 | Leeds | HK, still |
| 00:45.29 | z00dax | there is a times sq in HK? |
| 00:45.34 | pdr | Tokyo has a times square too |
| 00:45.40 | pdr | in Shinjuku |
| 00:45.46 | Leeds | it's a mall in HK - quite a good one, though |
| 00:45.52 | z00dax | righto |
| 00:46.21 | Leeds | but they do have a New Year countdown, complete with dropping ball, AFAIK |
| 00:46.41 | pdr | do they have a public holiday for Christmas there? |
| 00:46.56 | pdr | sounds cool |
| 00:47.31 | Leeds | of course - and Boxing Day as well, or "The first weekday after Christmas Day" |
| 00:47.32 | pdr | z00dax: i'll be London, but afraid I'll likely have to pass on the leg shaking |
| 00:47.53 | Leeds | pdr: I did tell you I saw your brother, right? |
| 00:47.59 | pdr | no? when? |
| 00:47.59 | rhowe | ugh |
| 00:48.05 | pdr | hey russ |
| 00:48.12 | rhowe | A friend had her house broken into today and a TV, laptop & cameras stolen |
| 00:48.18 | pdr | crap |
| 00:48.22 | z00dax | ouch |
| 00:48.27 | rhowe | Yeah, at least she had insurance and it was forced entry |
| 00:48.43 | pdr | still not pleasemt |
| 00:49.03 | Leeds | pdr: at the large ITU expo here a few weeks back |
| 00:49.06 | Leeds | rhowe: :-( |
| 00:49.48 | pdr | Leeds: cool. Mum mentioned he was in the area, but they weren't able to meet up |
| 00:50.04 | Leeds | yeah, he was working pretty solidly during the day |
| 00:50.18 | Leeds | or... at least... out in public wearing company uniform :-) |
| 00:50.22 | pdr | i'd bet, and probably schmoozing in the evenings too |
| 00:50.29 | pdr | :-) |
| 00:50.47 | Leeds | yup |
| 00:51.28 | Leeds | it was an interesting event - I could have done with one or two less companies telling me "Sorry, we don't do any development work in Hong Kong - have you thought about Beijing?" |
| 00:51.46 | pdr | heh |
| 00:52.12 | pdr | did you ask john about the green phone? |
| 00:52.21 | Leeds | sure - had a bit of a play with it |
| 00:52.57 | Leeds | I didn't go to the booth just to see his pretty face, you know :-) |
| 00:53.11 | pdr | hehe |
| 00:53.24 | pdr | so no luck yet on the job front then? |
| 00:53.47 | Leeds | nope... and unless things change, which is getting less and less likely, I'm goign to be out of here in mid-January |
| 00:54.02 | pdr | shit, that's no good |
| 00:54.10 | rhowe | Leeds: but..but.. that's before I pass through! |
| 00:54.16 | Leeds | rent is turning into a bad money after good situation |
| 00:54.29 | Leeds | rhowe: when exactly... and I have been here 18 months, you know! |
| 00:54.35 | rhowe | Leeds: Easter sometime |
| 00:54.40 | rhowe | Leeds: Some way off |
| 00:54.46 | pdr | the job market is pretty vibrant here at least, so there's something to come back to if you head back this way |
| 00:54.59 | Leeds | also, while it's a bit decadent, I'm seriously thinking about going to linux.conf.au 'on the way home' |
| 00:55.21 | pdr | cool. I'll be there. It's a good conf |
| 00:55.23 | Leeds | rhowe: then get me some bloody work! |
| 00:55.27 | Leeds | pdr: really? cool |
| 00:55.42 | pdr | yeah, been planning it for the last six months |
| 00:55.50 | pdr | although nothing was fixed until a few weeks ago |
| 00:55.53 | rhowe | Leeds: heh, I've pretty much exhausted all my contacts, I'm afraid |
| 00:56.09 | rhowe | Leeds: Tried HSBC? Their centre of operations is in HK, when it comes to IT stuff |
| 00:56.15 | pdr | Leeds: so you wouldn't consider beijing then? |
| 00:56.38 | pdr | or even taipei? |
| 00:56.45 | z00dax | hsbc just hired about 7,000 people in India over the last 18 months, into it roles.. |
| 00:57.18 | Leeds | pdr: nope... I came here by accident, like it a lot, have a social life here now - if I'm going to move, it's going to be to Israel, resuming my interrupted plans from last year |
| 00:58.21 | Leeds | the problem I've had is that there's lots and lots of java, .net type work... but I have 0 experience at that sort of thing... I - wrongly - assumed there would be demand for Linux, Unix, C, Python maybe, and it just seems there is virtually no demand for that |
| 00:59.41 | trousers_ | Ouch |
| 00:59.53 | Leeds | there's no Linux community here... and I'm almost completely unplugged from the small hardcore tech community there is |
| 00:59.54 | pdr | i guess the far east market is more into shiny proprietary things than robust proven free/unixy things |
| 01:00.23 | trousers_ | Leeds: Come back to Britain :D |
| 01:00.43 | Leeds | there's a very good reason why people do dev in Beijing rather than here... I don't know how much your brother is making, as a raw number, but it's probably less than I would expect to make here if the market was more favourable - possibly quite a lot less. |
| 01:01.00 | rhowe | Leeds: You'll probably find Linux used in academia still, and perhaps a few niches, but I wouldn't expect to see it that widely used |
| 01:02.09 | Leeds | I did screw up... I left it late to start working hard on finding something... but the fact that I've had fuck-all response from anyone, except one company - and when I say fuck-all I mean not even a "we got your CV and might get back to you"... it's been very frustrating |
| 01:02.47 | Leeds | I have a paranoia that my CV has been ending up with HR monkeys who can't even read it... |
| 01:04.12 | Leeds | and the one pair of interviews I did have were for a javascript/xul thing - which could have been interested, but wouldn't have paid what I want - and for a fucking php thing, which I was told I was competing against local web monkeys for and was therefore asking way too much considering it's not my speciality |
| 01:04.18 | Leeds | argh... moaning... |
| 01:05.57 | pdr | sounds difficult |
| 01:07.39 | Leeds | that last one, the guy was bloody insulting... effectively said "oh, you spent 5 years at Sun as an engineer working on Solaris? Well, that wasn't web application work, so we'll just wipe that off your record... that leaves you with... a year working for your cousins here... that pretty much makes you a new grad" |
| 01:07.59 | pdr | heh |
| 01:08.08 | pdr | that's downright crap |
| 01:08.40 | Leeds | enough now, that if he came back and actually offered me a real job - which is pretty unlikely - I'd have serious second thoughts about working for him |
| 01:08.53 | trousers_laptop | Leeds: Ahhh, so that's why you knew about Sun |
| 01:09.41 | pdr | perhaps his interview technique was the "wind up" type, just to see how you react |
| 01:09.47 | Leeds | yes, I do know one or two things about Sun |
| 01:10.03 | Leeds | pdr: if it was - he was trying too hard... he was agressive, negative and insulting |
| 01:10.30 | pdr | anyway, bedtime for me |
| 01:10.55 | Leeds | there's a big difference between "So, tell me why I should hire you" and "This is the wrong job for you, there's no work for someone with your skills in Hong Kong, but go on, amuse me... try to convice me to hire you" |
| 01:11.23 | Leeds | g'night... merry foo and a happy new bar :-) |
| 01:11.44 | trousers_laptop | Hehe :) You too |
| 01:11.45 | pdr | night |
| 01:19.06 | Leeds | with a different attitude, I would have been willing to offer to those guys that, since it would take a while to hire me, and there are obviously holiday times in between - I could quite easily learn php in the meantime |
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| 02:19.50 | ibot | Howdy Bub |
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| 10:10.03 | mb^2 | whos up for drinks tommorrow? |
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| 11:15.04 | rhowe | http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/media/Asianetcom.pdf |
| 11:15.05 | rhowe | Interesting map of what looks like most of the world's undersea comms cable plants |
| 11:16.59 | Cope | some hitherto unattested usage of the word "interesting"? |
| 11:17.00 | Cope | :P |
| 11:17.38 | phearless | hi #gllug |
| 11:24.53 | Leeds | there was a comment from the chinese ministry of comms in one of the articles which said - fairly enough, I think - that they refused to go into details of capacities and damage in public because they considered it a national security issue |
| 11:32.05 | rhowe | Leeds: Well, there's plenty of speculation on NANOG :) |
| 11:33.03 | rhowe | f.e. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=nanog&m=116728186424922&w=2 |
| 11:35.27 | Leeds | oh, sure - what I'm saying is that I don't think it's unfair of them to want to try to keep some details out of the press... this is going to be considered a very very major incident in hindsight... it's the sort of thing which, with very minor differences, could have caused economies to collapse... |
| 11:36.13 | rhowe | Well, it's already affected stock trading, apparently |
| 11:36.40 | rhowe | Though I can't remember where I read that |
| 11:38.39 | Leeds | effected some currency trading earlier in the week - think I read that the Korean won(?) was virtually suspended because most of the trading is done in Korea and their market was close to down |
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| 11:39.39 | Leeds | affected! |
| 11:40.38 | rhowe | hm, bit of a drop on the 26th - http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EKS11&t=5d |
| 11:40.54 | rhowe | But hardly significant I guess |
| 11:42.38 | rhowe | Not the most useful of graphs - http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?from=USD&to=KRW&amt=1&t=5d |
| 11:44.41 | rhowe | "Analysts said it was fortunate that the breakdown occurred during the relatively quiet holiday period, with business activity light and markets mostly quiet. Such an interruption during an ordinary week could have had catastrophic impact on regional businesses, especially financial markets." |
| 11:44.46 | rhowe | http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/28/business/worldbusiness/28quake.html |
| 11:44.58 | rhowe | "many securities traders in Hong Kong and Singapore were unable to obtain prices and complete orders because networks linking financial companies were disrupted." |
| 11:45.38 | Leeds | hmm... haven't actually spoken to my mate what works on a trading system in a few days... should ask him what his perspective is |
| 12:10.22 | trousers_laptop | anlu: Oh, thank you, how did you find that? |
| 12:10.27 | trousers_laptop | Woops, |
| 12:10.37 | trousers_laptop | gw280: I thought you were going for rifles? |
| 12:11.12 | gw280 | trousers_laptop: I'm an archer too |
| 12:11.20 | gw280 | http://vm.gwright.org.uk/images/ |
| 12:12.11 | trousers_laptop | Just a general desire for power? :P |
| 12:13.25 | gw280 | I'm a weapons nut |
| 12:17.06 | trousers_laptop | Indeed |
| 12:20.13 | gw280 | I don't have a reputation for being the college psychopath without reason, you know. |
| 12:22.17 | trousers_laptop | I personally wouldn't go so far as to call you a psycopath |
| 12:22.31 | trousers_laptop | s/yc/ych/ |
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| 13:58.17 | gw280 | trousers_laptop: you don't know me very well |
| 13:58.30 | Leeds | trousers_laptop: and make no mistake - this is a good thing |
| 13:58.36 | boudiccas | gw280; DEATH |
| 13:58.46 | boudiccas | :) |
| 13:58.52 | trousers_laptop | Hmm |
| 13:59.11 | boudiccas | gw280; how are you George? did you have a good christmas? |
| 13:59.20 | trousers_laptop | Hehe |
| 13:59.32 | gw280 | I'm attempting to do exam questions |
| 14:00.07 | boudiccas | gw280; well don't respond to people on irc then ... concentrate on your questions |
| 14:00.11 | gw280 | no |
| 14:00.20 | Leeds | boudiccas: I could help with that, in the traditional manner |
| 14:00.38 | gw280 | Leeds: I have 71 windows open in irssi. it won't make any difference. |
| 14:00.58 | trousers_laptop | gw280: How do you change up to window 71? |
| 14:01.05 | gw280 | trousers_laptop: /win 71 |
| 14:01.14 | trousers_laptop | gw280: Ahh |
| 14:01.25 | gw280 | I ought to stop browsing facebook. |
| 14:01.26 | boudiccas | gw280; what distro are you using? |
| 14:01.36 | gw280 | boudiccas: kubuntu edgy with a custom KDE |
| 14:02.03 | trousers_laptop | gw280: What do you mean by custom, or should is say "kustom"? |
| 14:02.12 | boudiccas | i would've thought that irssi would have fallen over way before 71 windows |
| 14:02.23 | gw280 | trousers_laptop: ... |
| 14:02.32 | trousers_laptop | gw280: As in how customised are we talking? |
| 14:02.33 | boudiccas | trousers; gw280 is a kde developer |
| 14:02.41 | gw280 | trousers_laptop: SVN development copy |
| 14:02.51 | Leeds | gw280: got yourself a proper boyfriend yet? |
| 14:03.17 | gw280 | Leeds: ? |
| 14:03.23 | Leeds | or a girlfriend? |
| 14:04.15 | gw280 | ? |
| 14:04.45 | Leeds | guess that's a "no, still don't know why I'd want one when I have a computer and a bow" |
| 14:05.57 | gw280 | indeed |
| 14:06.00 | gw280 | and a rifle |
| 14:07.46 | gw280 | yay NX works |
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| 14:37.36 | psnl | A |
| 14:40.39 | Leeds | B |
| 14:46.07 | wethrin | C? |
| 14:47.30 | wethrin | Anyone want old software disks, or computer manuals? |
| 14:50.49 | trousers_ | What's good advertising for Linux in a school environment? |
| 14:51.31 | trousers_ | I've already got plans for a club, but I don't know how to advertise it... |
| 14:52.06 | Leeds | Linux: because chicks dig penguins |
| 14:52.23 | trousers_ | Hahaha |
| 14:52.27 | trousers_ | I like it... |
| 15:18.05 | trousers_ | Also, does anybody know a good place to pick up old hardware? |
| 15:18.16 | wethrin | Me! :) |
| 15:18.21 | trousers_ | Where? |
| 15:18.33 | wethrin | Or Freecycle |
| 15:18.38 | wethrin | Universities |
| 15:18.58 | trousers_ | Hmm... Universities... What do you mean by that? Walk in to the tech department and ask? :P |
| 15:19.08 | wethrin | What old hardware are you looking for? |
| 15:19.21 | trousers_ | Any old systems + monitors + keyboards |
| 15:19.44 | trousers_ | To get this club started I'll need to populate it a bit |
| 15:19.45 | wethrin | Often departments have clearouts |
| 15:19.56 | wethrin | Hmm. I suppose old 286s wouldn't be much use, then :) |
| 15:20.01 | trousers_ | You find out about these clearouts how? |
| 15:20.05 | trousers_ | What speed are 286s? |
| 15:20.26 | trousers_ | Anything 100MHz+ is fine :D |
| 15:20.47 | wethrin | By having contacts :) Sometimes they email around departments, sometimes they post to mailing lists |
| 15:21.04 | wethrin | I got some nice stuff from the West London Institute a couple of years back, after a post to Gllug |
| 15:21.10 | wethrin | 286s are about 6-12MHz |
| 15:21.32 | trousers_ | Ouch... |
| 15:21.38 | wethrin | yah |
| 15:21.45 | trousers_ | My first family PC was 133MHz |
| 15:21.50 | wethrin | Newbie :-P |
| 15:22.30 | trousers_ | Hey, I was born in '91 |
| 15:22.38 | hali | noobs.. yes... x86 as first machine... zilog 80 was the shit :) |
| 15:23.16 | psnl | trousers_: which month? |
| 15:23.24 | wethrin | '91? Fuckk, I feel old |
| 15:23.38 | wethrin | hali: Wot no 6502? :) |
| 15:23.42 | psnl | wethrin: I was just thinking that |
| 15:25.40 | trousers_ | psnl: August, why? |
| 15:26.11 | hali | wethrin: thats before my time... :) |
| 15:26.18 | hali | my first "real" computer was even a 68k |
| 15:26.40 | wethrin | newbie :-P |
| 15:26.50 | psnl | trousers_: thats a relief, I thought irc now had people younger than my littest sister on it |
| 15:26.51 | wethrin | My first computer was a Sharp MZ-80K |
| 15:27.02 | wethrin | psnl: How old's she? |
| 15:27.20 | hali | and is she single? ;) |
| 15:28.23 | trousers_ | Okay, I have a networking question |
| 15:28.24 | psnl | wethrin: 16 |
| 15:28.41 | trousers_ | psnl: I am younger than her... |
| 15:29.08 | psnl | I have her dob as nov 91 |
| 15:29.17 | trousers_ | Then she's 15... |
| 15:29.24 | Leeds | a week ago, I went round to someone's place to try to fix her computer... took two diagnostic tools: a penknife and a slackware DVD |
| 15:29.40 | Leeds | turns out there was a hardware problem - probably with the mb or psu - and she doesn't have a DVD drive... |
| 15:29.57 | Leeds | she called me on Saturday to say it had started booting again, sort of, sometimes, or something... |
| 15:30.19 | trousers_ | Is this network setup possible? |
| 15:30.22 | Leeds | she just called me to complain that I'd put a screen on her machine which comes up sometimes when it starts and ask how to remove it... |
| 15:30.36 | trousers_ | Internet->Network->Server->Switch->Clients |
| 15:30.45 | trousers_ | And the clients can only see the server and the internet? |
| 15:30.51 | rhowe | ugh |
| 15:30.53 | Leeds | I never got the machine as far as POST, and the machine isn't physically capable of reading my slackware DVD, so it's not possible that I've installed anything |
| 15:31.01 | trousers_ | And other clients to the right of the server? |
| 15:31.34 | Leeds | trousers_: what the hell does "Server->Switch->Clients" mean? surely it's "Server<->Switch<->Clients"? |
| 15:32.03 | trousers_ | Well, yes, I was just showing some imaginary cable :) |
| 15:32.03 | psnl | trousers_: ah, that makes more sense |
| 15:32.25 | Leeds | what I mean is, there's no concept of right or left - everything just talks to anything else through the switch |
| 15:32.37 | Leeds | also, what's the difference between the switch and the network? |
| 15:32.55 | trousers_ | Nothing much, really |
| 15:33.16 | Leeds | so what you really have is a server and some clients hanging off a switch, and an internet connection plugged into something? |
| 15:33.33 | wethrin | Foodtime! |
| 15:33.39 | Leeds | argh, fucking broken internet! |
| 15:33.42 | Leeds | trousers_: close your ears |
| 15:34.09 | trousers_ | Well, there's one main network, and I want to set up a smaller network inside through which all traffic passes through my server and the 1st network isn't seen by the end clients |
| 15:34.33 | Leeds | EPARSE |
| 15:34.42 | trousers_ | EPARSE? |
| 15:34.50 | Leeds | WTF are you talking about? |
| 15:35.09 | trousers_ | Never mind... |
| 15:36.22 | Leeds | free advice: learn some terminology |
| 15:36.31 | trousers_ | Mm |
| 15:37.17 | Leeds | it may be nasty jargon, but it'll make it much easier for people to understand and help you, and - if you understand the terminology properly - will probably help you solve the problems as well |
| 15:38.09 | trousers_ | Put simply - can I set up a separate subnet through which all internet traffic can still pass? (I think) |
| 15:38.31 | trousers_ | Using my server as a router |
| 15:39.20 | Leeds | using an advanced routing system - Linux's iptables, BSD's stuff, Cisco's stuff, etc. all counts - you can normally do whatever you want with your network traffic, and lots of things you wouldn't want to do |
| 15:39.51 | trousers_ | I took a quick look at iptables and it looks scary :( |
| 15:41.14 | Leeds | it is |
| 15:41.30 | trousers_ | I'll just get a cheap router :) |
| 15:47.21 | Leeds | good plan |
| 15:51.50 | Leeds | any little britain fans in the house? |
| 15:51.55 | trousers_ | Indeed |
| 15:52.18 | Leeds | you know the xmas special? |
| 15:52.30 | trousers_ | The holiday one? Yes. |
| 15:52.37 | trousers_ | I caught some of it |
| 15:52.44 | Leeds | I've got part one... do you know when part two is/was on? |
| 15:52.58 | trousers_ | 30th or something... |
| 15:53.26 | Leeds | ah, good, so I haven't missed it... would be good to give it to her on NYE |
| 15:53.40 | trousers_ | 2nd Jan |
| 15:53.48 | trousers_ | http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/listings/programme.shtml?day=tuesday&service_id=4288&FILENAME=20070102/20070102_2100_4288_11900_30 |
| 15:54.11 | Leeds | arse... not so good :-) |
| 15:54.13 | Leeds | thanks |
| 15:54.36 | trousers_ | Wait, no! |
| 15:54.48 | trousers_ | The 30th, too :S |
| 15:55.07 | trousers_ | http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/whatson/search/advance_search.cgi?Keyword=little+britain |
| 15:55.16 | Leeds | perl? bugger that! |
| 15:55.42 | Leeds | my license fee is going to write crap unmaintainable software? :-) |
| 15:55.53 | trousers_ | Hehe |
| 15:56.19 | Leeds | but good stuff, thanks |
| 15:56.40 | trousers_ | Who's "her?" |
| 15:56.54 | Leeds | Annabel |
| 15:58.44 | Leeds | I am utilising my l33t bittorrent skillz to generate a present for her... |
| 16:05.24 | Leeds | trousers_: FYI, she's the one leaning forwards with the pink trousers/skirt on: http://tinyurl.com/y2msa5 |
| 16:06.22 | Leeds | I am unfortunately visible in profile in the background :-( |
| 16:08.53 | wethrin | wibble |
| 16:09.52 | trousers_ | Hmm |
| 16:10.06 | Leeds | it's not a good angle for me |
| 16:11.20 | Leeds | a better angle for me is "pointing away" |
| 16:22.02 | wethrin | Anyone got any use for assorted old ISA boards? |
| 16:22.33 | Leeds | I could make a boat, or a hat... |
| 16:23.49 | wethrin | It wouldn't float very well |
| 16:24.08 | Leeds | at least... tell me you did get the reference? |
| 16:24.47 | gw280 | looks like I won't have my brand spanking shiny new arrows until wednesday |
| 16:24.49 | gw280 | :( |
| 16:25.11 | wethrin | Leeds: Not OTTOMH |
| 16:26.04 | wethrin | gw280 is no Wilhelm Tell |
| 16:26.04 | Leeds | wethrin: Airplane: "What do you make of this?" referring to some printout "Well, I could make a hat, or a boat..." |
| 16:26.19 | wethrin | Ahhhh |
| 16:26.27 | wethrin | Long *long* time since I saw that movie |
| 16:26.43 | Leeds | I recovered both DVDs from storage today, when I went to rescue my guitar |
| 16:26.53 | wethrin | ooh |
| 16:27.10 | wethrin | Surlely DVDs are small enough not to need to be in storage? |
| 16:27.10 | Leeds | but I'm watching the Living Daylights first, having bought the DVD on Tuesday for my almost-complete Bond collection |
| 16:27.22 | wethrin | How many are you missing? |
| 16:27.28 | Leeds | about 5 now |
| 16:28.03 | Leeds | they were doing no-frills DVDs of most of them at HMV here for $49 over the summer - that's about £3.60 |
| 16:29.03 | wethrin | nice |
| 16:30.49 | gw280 | Leeds: still in kong hong? |
| 16:31.09 | Leeds | gw280: yes, but unlikely to be here much longer |
| 16:31.24 | gw280 | I see |
| 16:31.39 | Leeds | glad I got to organise a Christmas Day beach picnic before I left though :-) |
| 16:31.59 | gw280 | heh |
| 16:32.26 | Leeds | gw280: follow the link I gave above for pictures |
| 16:32.52 | Leeds | okay, another cultural reference... when you hear the name Nicole, what's the immediate response? |
| 16:32.58 | gw280 | sausages |
| 16:33.00 | wethrin | Papa? |
| 16:33.29 | Leeds | wethrin: thank you |
| 16:33.44 | wethrin | yw |
| 16:35.03 | Leeds | ironically, I've met her mum, and her mum's bloke, who's a nice down-to-earth Aussie |
| 16:35.18 | wethrin | You know far too many people |
| 16:36.52 | Leeds | http://tinyurl.com/yx7jho is Nicole, in the glasses, and Kris, American, arrived in HK about a week ago with her husband, who hasn't been seen and with whom she is apparently on the verge of breaking up |
| 16:37.27 | Leeds | oh, and me, holding my bottle of bubbbly |
| 16:38.17 | wethrin | You do seem to meet a worrying number of people :) |
| 16:39.01 | Leeds | I met a lot recently... had over 30 at my picnic... only knew a few before, and hadn't seen some for many months |
| 16:39.44 | Leeds | bit of a pity, really... |
| 16:39.52 | wethrin | aye |
| 16:40.03 | Leeds | or to put it another way - fucking depressing |
| 16:42.25 | wethrin | Any ideas how long you're still going to be there? |
| 16:43.57 | Leeds | couple of weeks, maybe? |
| 16:44.18 | Leeds | tempted to extend it by a month... still a couple of potential work things |
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| 16:45.04 | Leeds | and frankly, still having fun and meeting cool people |
| 16:45.55 | wethrin | If you can, it's a good thing to do |
| 16:48.00 | hali | "Why: Because beer is tasty and geeks need to get out once in a while." :) |
| 16:48.10 | wethrin | It is! |
| 16:48.13 | wethrin | I'll be there |
| 17:21.06 | boudiccas | Who should run SA learn please? root or the user? |
| 17:21.28 | Leeds | it should really be run per-user, AFAIK |
| 17:21.36 | cpufreak | depends, |
| 17:21.45 | antiphase | I'd suggest looking at what it does and making an informed decision |
| 17:21.56 | boudiccas | cpufreak; depends on what? |
| 17:21.59 | cpufreak | if you're doing spam checking at SMTP time, then the user your MTA runs at is probably useful. |
| 17:22.09 | cpufreak | if you're not doing spam checking at SMTP time, you probably ought to. |
| 17:22.27 | Leeds | antiphase: you do enjoy being surly and unhelpful, I assume? |
| 17:23.12 | boudiccas | ty all :) I've only been running it as root for the last several months, and it wasn't until i read the latest thread re SA that I thought of running it as user |
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| 17:33.44 | cpufreak | anyone on eclipse dsl? |
| 17:33.58 | cpufreak | myshenka: register with nickserv, then you can ghost it |
| 17:34.20 | myshenka | cpufreak: I have registered already |
| 17:34.27 | myshenka | and I have eclipse in the UK |
| 17:34.52 | antiphase | Funny, the sun went down several hours ago ;) |
| 17:35.01 | cpufreak | so /msg nickserv ghost <nickname> <password> |
| 17:35.24 | myshenka | thanks |
| 17:36.24 | Gunde | cpufreak: Why did you ask about eclipse? |
| 17:36.25 | z00dax | I am looking for some half decent dsl provider at the moment |
| 17:36.31 | z00dax | almost all of them seem shite |
| 17:36.45 | antiphase | They all provide DSL. What is the shite aspect? |
| 17:37.01 | z00dax | service capability / network states |
| 17:37.17 | antiphase | Like what? |
| 17:38.26 | z00dax | like getting 400k on a downlink that's syncing at 7188 |
| 17:38.42 | antiphase | Be glad your 50:1 contention hasn't come true yet ;) |
| 17:38.51 | z00dax | i am on 10:1 contention |
| 17:39.15 | antiphase | I'd suggest mentioning it to your ISP then. You must be paying a monster whack for that though |
| 17:39.31 | cpufreak | Gunde: no need now -thanks. a friend on eclipse was claiming stuff was broken. needed to prove to him otherwise. |
| 17:39.33 | z00dax | the isp is unable to do anything ( so they say, they blame it on BT ) |
| 17:39.44 | cpufreak | so get an ISP which does LLU. |
| 17:39.45 | z00dax | I Am sort of looking forward to the plus.net and bt merger |
| 17:39.52 | z00dax | llu sux even more |
| 17:39.55 | cpufreak | nope |
| 17:39.58 | Gunde | hmm, I just opted out of LLU |
| 17:40.00 | cpufreak | I've had ADSL2+ for the last year |
| 17:40.08 | Gunde | ... now that DSL is stable |
| 17:40.08 | cpufreak | its fantastic |
| 17:40.14 | cpufreak | my line sinks at 18.6mbit/sec |
| 17:40.16 | cpufreak | syncs |
| 17:40.20 | z00dax | I had a be for 3 months, and they were actually *much* worse at performance than adsl-max |
| 17:40.24 | cpufreak | and I have 2.5mbit/sec upstream |
| 17:40.29 | wethrin | z00dax: Which ISP are you with? |
| 17:40.44 | z00dax | wethrin: been through a few, I have 2 lines here at the moment, Zen and plus.net |
| 17:40.50 | hali | 400k sounds pretty good... im getting sub 20k on a 8meg line :/ |
| 17:40.50 | z00dax | they seem the best of a very bad lot |
| 17:41.01 | cpufreak | my llu is done by be, but thats all they do. transit done by a clueful ISP. |
| 17:41.06 | antiphase | Well 10:1 at 7188 kbps is 718.8 kbps, which gives you a solid ~70kB/s. Is that not what you're seeing? (i.e. 400kbps =~ 40kB/s) |
| 17:41.06 | z00dax | essentially, i want speakeasy services in the UK :) |
| 17:42.15 | antiphase | Be++ |
| 17:42.15 | z00dax | cpufreak: who ? |
| 17:42.34 | z00dax | be to me was syncing at 3600bps - far below the 7000+ i get with BT |
| 17:43.29 | cpufreak | I can't say, its a trial |
| 17:43.46 | antiphase | 3600bps; I'd check your acoustic coupler for dust contamination |
| 17:44.19 | z00dax | whats an acostic coupler ? |
| 17:45.22 | z00dax | last i heard of one of those being used for data comms was about 20 years back |
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| 17:45.56 | antiphase | Precisely. bps means "bits per second" ;) You may have confused your ISP if that's what you told them |
| 17:46.19 | antiphase | "k" is ambiguous |
| 17:46.40 | z00dax | 3600bps <-- there is no 'k' in there |
| 17:47.17 | antiphase | There was earlier when you said < z00dax> like getting 400k on a downlink that's syncing at 7188 |
| 17:47.47 | z00dax | yes, I'd expect 750k odd to saturate a link syncing at 7188bps |
| 17:47.53 | antiphase | k what?? |
| 17:48.22 | z00dax | humm |
| 17:48.24 | z00dax | 750KiB |
| 17:48.32 | cpufreak | oh, bytes. |
| 17:48.35 | antiphase | *thud* You don;t have to be pedantic now ;) |
| 17:48.40 | z00dax | :D |
| 17:48.52 | cpufreak | I'm so fucking bored. |
| 17:48.56 | cpufreak | got to stay here until 7. |
| 17:48.58 | cpufreak | lalalalaal |
| 17:49.04 | z00dax | cpufreak: fancy some ET ? |
| 17:49.11 | cpufreak | wtf is ET? |
| 17:49.21 | z00dax | enemy territory |
| 17:49.24 | cpufreak | erm |
| 17:49.27 | cpufreak | I'm at work. |
| 17:49.33 | z00dax | right, so fancy some et ? |
| 17:49.34 | z00dax | :) |
| 17:49.57 | z00dax | could you write that off as a network latency stress test ? |
| 17:50.07 | cpufreak | I've a linux workstation |
| 17:50.18 | cpufreak | and whichever port it uses, will be firewalled |
| 17:50.25 | z00dax | :( |
| 17:50.28 | cpufreak | plus, I only have a geforce fx5200 in this thing |
| 17:50.49 | antiphase | I win, I have a Voodoo 5 5500 \o/ |
| 17:50.51 | cpufreak | I have stuff to do, but none of it is interesting |
| 17:50.55 | cpufreak | heh |
| 17:51.17 | z00dax | does a Sis 625 count ? |
| 17:51.23 | z00dax | thats whats in the Alpha |
| 17:51.53 | cpufreak | if you want to go down that path, none of my sun kit here has framebuffers |
| 17:52.12 | z00dax | ouch |
| 17:52.16 | z00dax | you win! |
| 17:52.45 | cpufreak | we have no tru64 boxes left though :( |
| 17:52.52 | cpufreak | last one was retired 3 weeks ago |
| 17:53.00 | z00dax | what became of it ? |
| 17:53.32 | cpufreak | its being sold |
| 17:53.58 | cpufreak | apparnelty we've been offered about 130k as a job lot for all the alphaservers |
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| 18:56.30 | andrew__ | hi there, Anyone interested in a drink tomorrow eve |
| 18:57.11 | wethrin | I would be interested, but won't be able to make it, unfortunately |
| 18:57.25 | wethrin | However, I'll be at the Market Porter on Saturday, if you'd like to come along then |
| 18:58.14 | andrew__ | problem is I am on call on Sat |
| 18:58.36 | wethrin | Make sure nothing goes wrong |
| 19:00.06 | andrew__ | hmm - a bit hard |
| 19:09.11 | z00dax | andrew__: maybe announce it on the social list ? |
| 19:20.07 | wethrin | z00dax: He did |
| 19:20.34 | andrew__ | Indeed I did, but rather briefly adn I didnt get any reply. |
| 19:21.11 | andrew__ | I send another in a mo |
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| 19:30.03 | Gunde | irc://freenode/fil,isnick |
| 19:30.07 | Gunde | hmm |
| 19:30.31 | Gunde | sorry |
| 20:09.18 | andrew__ | wethrin - are you around next week? |
| 20:10.31 | wethrin | yeah. I'll be at the London.pm |
| 20:11.11 | andrew__ | Ok - see you there. |
| 20:11.25 | wethrin | Yay! |
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| 20:17.30 | wethrin | ahoy, person-from-Imperial |
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| 20:21.39 | wethrin | catalyst! |
| 20:21.45 | catalyst | hey wethrin |
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| 21:28.49 | wethrin | Bet the pens have dried up, though |
| 21:33.05 | psnl | friendly. |
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| 22:08.09 | wethrin | How many trousers? |
| 22:08.27 | trousers_server | As many as you'll eve rneed :) |
| 22:09.59 | wethrin | oh dear |
| 22:11.10 | trousers_server | wethrin: What? |
| 22:15.51 | wethrin | Too many |
| 23:12.52 | cpufreak | anyone want to buy a ps3? |
| 23:18.45 | trousers_server | And one penny! |
| 23:19.19 | wethrin | and 5p |
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| 23:20.14 | wethrin | cat'lyst! |
| 23:23.38 | catalyst | we'thrin! |
| 23:23.46 | catalyst | hmm |
| 23:23.49 | catalyst | oh sod it :P |
| 23:24.09 | wethrin | Ha! |
| 23:24.32 | catalyst | # The music is loud, the kids are so young, all over the world - they want to have fun! # |