irclog2html for #gllug on 20070103

`00:32.34`	`*** join/#gllug eeyore (n=mpcooke3@host-84-9-59-225.bulldogdsl.com)`
`00:33.01`	`eeyore`	`what do you reckon my chances are of ghosting a win2k install off my dead laptop onto my mac mini? :)`
`00:34.57`	`z00dax`	`pretty good, as long as the hdd isnt whats dead in the laptop`
`00:37.18`	`eeyore`	`no, the screen`
`00:37.41`	`z00dax`	`are you going to run it inside vmware / parallels`
`00:37.47`	`z00dax`	`?`
`00:39.27`	`eeyore`	`bootcamp`
`00:39.33`	`eeyore`	`i just brought a silly game i want to play`
`00:39.38`	`eeyore`	`otherwise i wouldn't bother`
`00:39.58`	`z00dax`	`oohh what game ?`
`00:40.19`	`eeyore`	`dawn of war (+ all extensions)`
`00:40.26`	`eeyore`	`was going to play my brother`
`00:40.30`	`z00dax`	`never heard of it :(`
`00:40.38`	`z00dax`	`I am on a bit of a ET trip at the moment`
`00:40.41`	`eeyore`	`turns out he doesn't have a dvd and i don't have a laptop lol`
`00:40.56`	`z00dax`	`oohh Warhammer 4000`
`00:40.57`	`eeyore`	`it's an RTS game based on warhammer 40k`
`00:41.01`	`eeyore`	`good reviews`
`00:41.17`	`eeyore`	`you can't choose you own army using a points system though, which was half the fun of 40k`
`00:41.38`	`z00dax`	`looks like a strategy type game`
`00:41.44`	`z00dax`	`I am more of a FPS kinda guy`
`00:41.47`	`eeyore`	`real time strategy`
`00:41.53`	`z00dax`	`right`
`00:42.00`	`eeyore`	`we normally play TA`
`00:42.11`	`eeyore`	`which i rate the best RTS game ever`
`00:42.31`	`eeyore`	`then again perhaps i should do some work instead :)`
`00:43.08`	`z00dax`	`whats TA ?`
`00:43.21`	`z00dax`	`at almost 1am, surely you are not really going to do any work`
`00:43.30`	`eeyore`	`total annihilation`
`00:43.47`	`eeyore`	`i meant over the next couple months, not right now :)`
`00:43.49`	`z00dax`	`i like the sounds of that`
`00:45.03`	`eeyore`	`it's a choice between looking at disk re-partioning my macmini for Dawn of War OR playing around with materialized views in postgresql`
`00:45.06`	`eeyore`	`it's a close call`
`00:47.24`	`eeyore`	`arr looks like bootcamp can partition for you`
`01:02.10`	`morsing`	`:(`
`01:04.16`	`eeyore`	`?`
`02:12.00`	`trousers_`	`Morning, anybody awake?`
`02:12.48`	`Leeds`	`nope`
`02:13.08`	`trousers_`	`Howdy Leeds :)`
`02:13.08`	`*** join/#gllug pdr (n=pdr@pogo.pdr.me.uk)`
`02:13.31`	`trousers_`	`And pdr`
`02:13.49`	`z00dax`	`i am not either`
`02:13.55`	`Leeds`	`ugh`
`02:14.11`	`trousers_`	`Yay z00dax`
`02:14.18`	`z00dax`	`/dev/hda1 9.4G 7.9G 1.1G 89% /`
`02:14.24`	`trousers_`	`Did I tell you about my plan for a new Shuttle system? :D`
`02:14.31`	`z00dax`	`i suppose this would be a good time to start deleting some of those old emails..`
`02:14.46`	`z00dax`	`no you didnt, why dont you blog it ? and then we can all know about it`
`02:14.58`	`trousers_`	`Ah... Sets up blog`
`02:15.22`	`z00dax`	`What ? you dont have a blog ? are you for real ? or are you just like really really old ?`
`02:15.37`	`trousers_`	`z00dax: Server install fairly new`
`02:15.51`	`Leeds`	`z00dax: nah, he's really young... probably got a myspace page instead`
`02:15.55`	`z00dax`	`you are going to run your blog / server from home ?`
`02:15.59`	`z00dax`	`or have you leased a server online ?`
`02:16.07`	`trousers_`	`Leeds: I HATE THAT SHITE.`
`02:16.24`	`z00dax`	`Leeds: true... I've never quite worked out what the hell myspace is all about and what the charm about it is`
`02:16.31`	`trousers_`	`z00dax: From home, I've been Gentoo-ing stuff recently :)`
`02:16.34`	`Leeds`	`trousers_: ah, you're a facebook guy, are you?`
`02:16.34`	`z00dax`	`my 15 year old nephew told me i was too old to workitout`
`02:16.41`	`trousers_`	`Leeds: None of the above`
`02:17.29`	`trousers_`	`Leeds: The site that I'm registered with that I visit most is either Google or Wikipedia :)`
`02:18.00`	`z00dax`	`ibot: how are things ?`
`02:18.09`	`ibot`	`z00dax: I think you lost me on that one`
`02:18.21`	`z00dax`	`ibot: how are you doing ?`
`02:18.23`	`ibot`	`z00dax: I think you lost me on that one`
`02:18.28`	`trousers_`	`Hehe`
`02:18.29`	`Leeds`	`ibot how are you?`
`02:18.29`	`ibot`	`Leeds: pretty good. how about you?`
`02:18.30`	`z00dax`	`ibot: nutter`
`02:18.53`	`trousers_`	`ibot: How old are you?`
`02:18.54`	`ibot`	`900 ... like Yoda ...`
`02:18.59`	`trousers_`	`Awesome`
`02:19.12`	`trousers_`	`But Yoda dies in RotJ`
`02:19.14`	`Leeds`	`ibot where are you?`
`02:19.16`	`ibot`	`I am at 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W`
`02:19.25`	`Leeds`	`wow, precise`
`02:19.47`	`z00dax`	`dayum, that was a bit exact`
`02:20.03`	`Leeds`	`ibot timriker`
`02:20.04`	`ibot`	`it has been said that timriker is my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool guy.`
`02:20.18`	`trousers_`	`University of Massachusests...`
`02:20.26`	`trousers_`	`-Amherst`
`02:20.35`	`trousers_`	`http://maps.google.com/maps?q=maps&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl`
`02:21.09`	`z00dax`	`you have a q=maps ?`
`02:21.24`	`trousers_`	`Hmm?`
`02:21.55`	`trousers_`	`I didn't make the URL...`
`02:22.32`	`z00dax`	`if you replace the ?q=maps with ?q=<something> it will search for that <something>`
`02:22.58`	`trousers_`	`Oh, I accidentally posted the wrong link >.< http://maps.google.com/maps?q=42.37512+N,+72.51999+W&ie=UTF8&z=12&ll=42.386191,-72.520065&spn=0.109548,0.346069&om=1&iwloc=addr`
`02:23.18`	`z00dax`	`its always funny - how many places in MA are named after places in UK`
`02:23.52`	`Leeds`	`you mean like... Florence, over there on the west side of that map?`
`02:24.18`	`trousers_`	`Well, Americans are inherently unoriginal, are they not? Being comprised purely of migrants (apart from a very small opoulation of natives)`
`02:24.41`	`trousers_`	`Leeds: And Northampton, Southampton and Worcester`
`02:24.47`	`trousers_`	`And Leeds!`
`02:24.54`	`Leeds`	`it's more because it's old New England... it was very explicitly a colony, so they weren't trying to be original`
`02:25.08`	`Leeds`	`also, Hatfield, Hampshire, Pelham...`
`02:25.28`	`trousers_`	`And... Springfield?!`
`02:25.41`	`Leeds`	`yes, Springfield`
`02:26.05`	`Leeds`	`there is a Springfield in (almost?) every state`
`02:26.15`	`trousers_`	`Oh.`
`02:26.56`	`trousers_`	`Yay, DefCon this year!`
`02:27.02`	`gw280`	`lalala`
`02:27.08`	`trousers_`	`Mornin' George`
`02:27.13`	`gw280`	`hi`
`02:27.19`	`gw280`	`what are you doing up?`
`02:27.37`	`trousers_`	`Living on weird time`
`02:27.43`	`gw280`	`I see`
`02:27.46`	`gw280`	`when do you start school again?`
`02:27.51`	`trousers_`	`Monday :(`
`02:27.58`	`gw280`	`heh`
`02:28.02`	`trousers_`	`And you to university?`
`02:28.04`	`gw280`	`13th`
`02:28.09`	`gw280`	`exams on the 15th`
`02:28.13`	`gw280`	`lectures start on the 18th`
`02:28.22`	`trousers_`	`Important exams?`
`02:28.29`	`gw280`	`no`
`02:28.31`	`gw280`	`well`
`02:28.32`	`gw280`	`yes`
`02:28.35`	`gw280`	`as all exams are important`
`02:29.21`	`trousers_`	`What's the university exam structure lik,e is it modular like A-Level?`
`02:29.27`	`gw280`	`hahahahahahaha`
`02:29.28`	`gw280`	`no`
`02:29.37`	`z00dax`	`humm my moving a real machine into a vm didnt go all that well, the machine hasent come back up after a reboot.`
`02:29.45`	`gw280`	`this year I take two papers in compsci, each three hours`
`02:29.51`	`gw280`	`two papers in maths, also three hours`
`02:29.56`	`trousers_`	`I swear you were doing physics...`
`02:30.01`	`gw280`	`and I think one in physics`
`02:30.14`	`trousers_`	`What did you choose to do at university?`
`02:30.16`	`gw280`	`trousers_: because I had a mahoosive workbook on special relativity at LWCE?`
`02:30.21`	`gw280`	`trousers_: computer science`
`02:30.33`	`trousers_`	`gw280: Relativity is compsci?`
`02:30.36`	`gw280`	`no`
`02:30.40`	`trousers_`	`Fun?`
`02:30.40`	`gw280`	`special relativity is physics`
`02:30.43`	`gw280`	`no`
`02:30.50`	`trousers_`	`Why were you doing it?`
`02:30.57`	`Leeds`	`I was at the pub last night with an Einstein`
`02:31.05`	`gw280`	`because I've got to do the whole of the first year physics course`
`02:31.11`	`trousers_`	`Ahhhhh, right`
`02:31.24`	`trousers_`	`It all makes sense now :)`
`02:31.46`	`gw280`	`I've got to do the whole of first year physics, computer science and maths for natural sciences`
`02:31.49`	`gw280`	`woo cambridge.`
`02:32.07`	`Leeds`	`apparently the bloke's granddad was Albert's second cousin or something...`
`02:33.04`	`trousers_`	`Leeds: Oh, you mean a physical Einstein, rather than in the expression :)`
`02:33.18`	`Leeds`	`trousers_: yeah, an actual Einstein :-)`
`02:33.31`	`gw280`	`trousers_: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/tripos/y2006PAPER1.pdf and http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/tripos/y2006PAPER2.pdf`
`02:34.40`	`Leeds`	`http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,1930975,00.html`
`02:35.50`	`trousers_`	`gw280: Looks difficult... But that's because I haven't been to any lectures :)`
`02:36.10`	`gw280`	`trousers_: heh, neither have I`
`02:36.28`	`trousers_`	`gw280: Hmm? No lectures?`
`02:36.33`	`psnl`	`gw280: the non-physics and electronics bits are easy`
`02:36.55`	`gw280`	`psnl: do you know ML?`
`02:37.18`	`trousers_`	`gw280: You just got recommended books and read them all?`
`02:37.56`	`gw280`	`trousers_: erm, yeah, sort of`
`02:37.56`	`psnl`	`no, I know haskell, which is far nicer. havening looked at ML, I could pick it up if I had to`
`02:38.28`	`psnl`	`gw280: you haven't done any work in the last term?`
`02:38.35`	`gw280`	`psnl: no`
`02:38.47`	`gw280`	`well, i did a bit`
`02:38.51`	`psnl`	`how much work would you say you have done?`
`02:38.57`	`gw280`	`for compsci or physics?`
`02:39.00`	`gw280`	`or maths?`
`02:39.14`	`psnl`	`all of it`
`02:39.17`	`gw280`	`hmm`
`02:39.37`	`gw280`	`2 hours a week on physics, 6 hours in total for compsci, 1 hour a week on maths`
`02:40.00`	`trousers_`	`Why does psnl laugh?`
`02:40.09`	`gw280`	`trousers_: because I'm a tad fucked`
`02:40.22`	`trousers_`	`Oh.`
`02:40.38`	`psnl`	`um, I work a lot harder than that, and cambridge is a lot rougher on people than durham is`
`02:40.58`	`gw280`	`psnl: I'm predicted a 2.i/1 in physics ;)`
`02:41.09`	`trousers_`	`gw280: Also, is it true that the bottom 20% of Cambridge students doing maths are dropped after the 1st year?`
`02:41.16`	`gw280`	`trousers_: no idea`
`02:41.19`	`gw280`	`trousers_: they don't drop students`
`02:41.23`	`gw280`	`trousers_: so I doubt it`
`02:41.35`	`psnl`	`gw280: whats that based on?`
`02:41.41`	`gw280`	`you've got to be fairly autistic to get into cambridge for maths`
`02:41.49`	`gw280`	`psnl: supervisions`
`02:42.10`	`psnl`	`oh good, you go to them ;-)`
`02:42.14`	`gw280`	`erm, yeah`
`02:42.17`	`gw280`	`3 per week`
`02:42.17`	`trousers_`	`gw280: Autistic in what way? As in insanely good and obsessed?`
`02:42.30`	`gw280`	`trousers_: autistic as in you've got to dream about numbers :P`
`02:42.43`	`trousers_`	`Ah`
`02:43.00`	`gw280`	`it isn't the world's most rigorous maths course for no reason`
`02:43.34`	`gw280`	`you've got to be totally ninja at maths to get in`
`02:43.37`	`gw280`	`then they make you feel stupid ;)`
`02:44.26`	`z00dax`	`afaik, tokyo Univ was the most rigorous maths course`
`02:45.18`	`psnl`	`gw280: you have two options: 1) work your arse off 2) glide by and hope the person teaching your supervisons is correct`
`02:45.26`	`gw280`	`psnl: lol`
`02:45.29`	`gw280`	`psnl: I intend to work`
`02:45.32`	`trousers_`	`Ninja at maths? Sneaking quietly through the shadows of integrals and then flipping out and differentiated your arse?`
`02:45.46`	`trousers_`	`s/ed/ing/`
`02:45.52`	`gw280`	`trousers_: puh-lease... derive your arse`
`02:46.05`	`gw280`	`:P`
`02:46.08`	`gw280`	`sausages`
`02:46.15`	`trousers_`	`Que?`
`02:46.19`	`pdr`	`hello`
`02:46.26`	`trousers_`	`Hello pdr`
`02:46.38`	`gw280`	`psnl: I'm aiming for straight firsts this year...`
`02:46.43`	`gw280`	`psnl: dunno if it'll happen though`
`02:47.01`	`Leeds`	`can someone confirm... lottery tickets cost £1 each?`
`02:47.02`	`trousers_`	`Leeds: In the UK, yes`
`02:47.04`	`pdr`	`Leeds: you going to lca?`
`02:47.07`	`Leeds`	`trousers_: thanks`
`02:47.13`	`Leeds`	`pdr: maybe/probably/would like to...`
`02:47.15`	`psnl`	`gw280: I hope you are a better aim with your guns and bows and stuff`
`02:47.19`	`trousers_`	`Leeds: Last time I checked, anyway`
`02:47.22`	`gw280`	`psnl: hah`
`02:47.31`	`trousers_`	`gw280: DefCon this year :D`
`02:47.32`	`gw280`	`psnl: I'm predicted a 2.ii/3 in computer science at the moment`
`02:47.38`	`Leeds`	`trousers_: just trying to analyse a lottery scam a friend got in the mail`
`02:48.09`	`trousers_`	`gw280: Managed to persuade my dad, who knows he wants to go anyway :P`
`02:48.15`	`gw280`	`trousers_: I see`
`02:48.31`	`gw280`	`I'd never go to a hacker convention with my parents`
`02:48.50`	`trousers_`	`gw280: Parent, my mum'd never go`
`02:48.56`	`gw280`	`well, whatever`
`02:48.58`	`gw280`	`either`
`02:49.04`	`trousers_`	`And my dad is fairly computer savvy`
`02:49.05`	`Leeds`	`pdr: you going? your bro going?`
`02:49.08`	`gw280`	`has anyone seen/got access to OpenMoKo?`
`02:49.14`	`gw280`	`it looks fairly shiny`
`02:49.21`	`gw280`	`http://www.openmoko.com/`
`02:49.36`	`gw280`	`I want to port it to my phone`
`02:49.42`	`z00dax`	`wtf is it ?`
`02:49.55`	`gw280`	`psnl: which year are you?`
`02:49.59`	`gw280`	`psnl: third?`
`02:50.02`	`pdr`	`Leeds: I'll be there, but I doubt John will be`
`02:50.26`	`psnl`	`gw280: third`
`02:50.30`	`trousers_`	`gw280: /join #openmoko ?`
`02:50.37`	`gw280`	`trousers_: indeed`
`02:50.41`	`gw280`	`psnl: I see`
`02:50.52`	`Leeds`	`pdr: interesting... I assume you're not heading down there just for that?`
`02:51.00`	`gw280`	`psnl: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/tripos/y2006PAPER7.pdf`
`02:51.03`	`gw280`	`psnl: that's a third year paper`
`02:51.08`	`psnl`	`gw280: I'ld love to know what you see`
`02:52.10`	`trousers_`	`gw280: Is openMoko a hardware device?`
`02:52.18`	`clive-h`	`bcpl + tripos?`
`02:52.18`	`gw280`	`trousers_: software platform`
`02:52.28`	`trousers_`	`"All of our development efforts are focused on getting the device out."`
`02:52.29`	`gw280`	`clive-h: ?`
`02:53.00`	`z00dax`	`trousers_: seems to be a platform ( s/w ) that runs on a specific device`
`02:53.10`	`trousers_`	`Ah, right`
`02:53.15`	`clive-h`	`martin richards did bcpl`
`02:53.28`	`z00dax`	`gw280: might be worth waiting for them to actually deliver something.. and open a svn or cvs tree to look at`
`02:53.32`	`trousers_`	`z00dax: http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html Picture :D`
`02:53.36`	`clive-h`	`as well as tripos`
`02:53.37`	`z00dax`	`i am not sure what is open about something that is so closed`
`02:53.50`	`gw280`	`clive-h: tripos the operating system and bcpl the language?`
`02:53.59`	`clive-h`	`aye`
`02:53.59`	`gw280`	`clive-h: they're ancient`
`02:54.15`	`gw280`	`clive-h: why are you mentioning these? ;)`
`02:54.15`	`clive-h`	`yes they are`
`02:54.20`	`trousers_`	`gw280: How would you go about porting it to your phone? Surely it's hand coded specifically for that phone, so it'll be a bitch to configure, cross-compile, load etc?`
`02:54.39`	`gw280`	`trousers_: no`
`02:55.02`	`trousers_`	`gw280: What phone do you have?`
`02:55.07`	`gw280`	`trousers_: HTC Universal`
`02:55.11`	`Leeds`	`I think the idea is that it's both a platform and an implementation... so things like the kernel interfaces are designed to be implemented on other devices to make a standard platform for phone stuff`
`02:55.16`	`gw280`	`catalyst: er`
`02:55.17`	`z00dax`	`damn`
`02:55.19`	`gw280`	`catalyst: why?`
`02:55.24`	`z00dax`	`looks like everyone is around at this time....`
`02:55.25`	`trousers_`	`Leeds: Ah, okay`
`02:55.27`	`clive-h`	`you referenced a tripos pdf`
`02:55.39`	`z00dax`	`there used to be a time, when i was the only person around at 3am, and sometimes Leeds would be driving by`
`02:55.40`	`gw280`	`http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/mr/welcome.wav`
`02:55.41`	`gw280`	`ROFL`
`02:55.47`	`catalyst`	`z00dax: sup :)`
`02:55.58`	`catalyst`	`I'm alone in the house, at uni`
`02:56.02`	`trousers_`	`gw280: Why is that on the Cambridge website?`
`02:56.06`	`z00dax`	`heya catalyst. Not much, trying to come to grips with the fact that 2006 has already gone by`
`02:56.13`	`gw280`	`trousers_: why is what on the cambridge website?`
`02:56.14`	`catalyst`	`well`
`02:56.22`	`clive-h`	`martin richards is cool`
`02:56.25`	`catalyst`	`I'm quite pleased with 2006`
`02:56.27`	`psnl`	`gw280: WTF is up with that NLP question?`
`02:56.39`	`gw280`	`clive-h: tripos being the undergraduate degree course at cambridge`
`02:56.46`	`gw280`	`clive-h: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripos`
`02:57.11`	`trousers_`	`gw280: That random audio file?`
`02:57.18`	`clive-h`	`indeed`
`02:57.21`	`gw280`	`trousers_: because it's Martin Richards' home page`
`02:57.31`	`gw280`	`psnl: dunno`
`02:57.34`	`trousers_`	`Martin Richards being?`
`02:57.38`	`gw280`	`....`
`02:58.01`	`gw280`	`clive-h: filthy bastard`
`02:58.05`	`pdr`	`Leeds: martina and i are doing a bit of a tour around, and that is part of it`
`02:58.05`	`gw280`	`clive-h: doing what course?`
`02:58.15`	`pdr`	`Leeds: we're also going to a cricket game`
`02:58.23`	`Leeds`	`pdr: nice... of course...`
`02:58.34`	`clive-h`	`maths and philosophy`
`02:58.36`	`Leeds`	`well, if I actually manage to do stuff like book flights this week - I'll see you there :-)`
`02:58.46`	`Leeds`	`also need to find a sofa to sleep on somewhere nearby`
`02:58.49`	`pdr`	`Leeds: cool`
`02:58.52`	`gw280`	`heh philosophy`
`02:58.53`	`psnl`	`gw280: normally one classes CFLs as a computer language thing`
`02:59.05`	`Leeds`	`I do know one or two people in Sydney, but I need to chase`
`02:59.17`	`pdr`	`Leeds: if you are going, let me know and I'll see what i can sort out re crash space`
`02:59.26`	`gw280`	`psnl: I see`
`02:59.45`	`gw280`	`psnl: as I'm not a Part II student yet I wouldn't know :P`
`02:59.55`	`psnl`	`gw280: I can't think of a natural language with a CFG`
`03:00.07`	`pdr`	`psnl: japanese?`
`03:00.21`	`gw280`	`psnl: yeah well, we're inherently better than you so ner`
`03:00.42`	`psnl`	`is it really? I'll have to learn it`
`03:00.45`	`Leeds`	`pdr: ah, cheers... I do intend to go - need to recharge my techie batteries - just need to book flights and the conf, assuming it's not too late`
`03:01.05`	`pdr`	`psnl: probably not, but it'd be pretty close. jp is basically in rpn`
`03:01.20`	`psnl`	`gw280: when it comes to being lazy, you seem to be miles ahead ;-)`
`03:01.28`	`gw280`	`psnl: :P`
`03:01.30`	`trousers_`	`Leeds: What's this all about?`
`03:01.34`	`pdr`	`Leeds: don't know, but i'd assume they'd even take people at the door`
`03:01.40`	`gw280`	`psnl: sausages`
`03:01.43`	`Leeds`	`trousers_: linux.conf.au`
`03:01.48`	`trousers_`	`au?!`
`03:02.05`	`Leeds`	`I'm on the right side of the planet and not much else to do with my time at the moment`
`03:02.18`	`Leeds`	`it's only 9 hours away or so, and I rather like Sydney :-)`
`03:02.28`	`gw280`	`Leeds: bristow?`
`03:02.34`	`pdr`	`probably the best linux conf in the world, possibly second only to fosdem imho`
`03:02.45`	`Leeds`	`gw280: nah, her real name is fiona...`
`03:02.49`	`trousers_`	`pdr: How good is FOSDEM?`
`03:02.51`	`gw280`	`pdr: what about OLS?`
`03:03.05`	`Leeds`	`pdr: right, and given I missed FOSDEM last year and am somewhat likely to miss it this year...`
`03:03.12`	`pdr`	`oh, yeah, i've heard good things about ols, but never been`
`03:03.14`	`Leeds`	`I think OLS is more hardcore`
`03:03.20`	`pdr`	`fosdem is fantastic, well worth it`
`03:03.33`	`gw280`	`apparently there's going to be a mahoosive kernel conference in cambridge this summer`
`03:03.57`	`Leeds`	`trousers_: don't miss fosdem...`
`03:03.57`	`gw280`	`iirc there are going to be three large open source conference this summer`
`03:04.07`	`Leeds`	`it's a weekend away, on the train from London`
`03:04.11`	`gw280`	`akademy in glasgow, kernel thing in cambridge`
`03:04.17`	`gw280`	`and I think debconf or guadec is in the UK`
`03:04.29`	`trousers_`	`gw280: Guadec's in Birmingham, iirc`
`03:04.51`	`gw280`	`I'm on the organisation team for akademy`
`03:05.17`	`trousers_`	`Leeds: What's so special about FOSDEM - as in what will I gain from it?`
`03:05.35`	`gw280`	`from what I've heard fosdem is just a weekend of getting pissed`
`03:05.54`	`trousers_`	`And if you don't drink, then it's just a weekend?`
`03:06.12`	`gw280`	`possibly`
`03:06.15`	`Leeds`	`firstly, yes, FOSDEM is a lot of fun - Brussels is unfairly considered a boring place, but has nice drinking and eating places`
`03:06.18`	`gw280`	`I don't know if I can afford to go this year`
`03:06.28`	`Leeds`	`talk to Dean - he doesn't drink, but has been a few times`
`03:06.31`	`gw280`	`although agk told me that I had to go`
`03:06.37`	`trousers_`	`Leeds: Dean?`
`03:07.00`	`Leeds`	`trousers_: Dean Wilson... the admin of planet gllug, amongst other things`
`03:07.18`	`trousers_`	`Leeds: I need to start looking into this whole "planet" thingy`
`03:07.35`	`gw280`	`planet gllug is quite boring imho`
`03:08.17`	`Leeds`	`gw280: a) there aren't enough people on it - either not enough bloggers in gllug, not enough active ones, or just not enough on the planet... and b) there's always the question of the purpose of a planet`
`03:08.44`	`gw280`	`planetkde is quite interesting ;)`
`03:12.06`	`Leeds`	`trousers_: the technical content at FOSDEM isn't normally amazing... what is good are the keynotes, normally including one surprise speaker who's just been awarded the FSF Award (they are still doing that, right?), the dev rooms, which are run by projects, normally as a mixture of a sprint and a miniconf, and the corridor conversations`
`03:12.42`	`Leeds`	`oh, and they usually get a good mix of big-name and coal-face speakers`
`03:13.28`	`Leeds`	`but a lot of the point, to be honest, is getting a couple of thousand free software people together an a European university for a weekend - for free, in the snow (if you're lucky) and just enjoying that energy`
`03:14.56`	`Leeds`	`wow, I put everyone to sleep...`
`03:14.58`	`trousers_`	`Coal-face? Isn't that non-PC these days?`
`03:15.19`	`Leeds`	`what's non-PC about coal-face?`
`03:15.29`	`Leeds`	`you do know what I mean by coal-face, I assume`
`03:15.39`	`trousers_`	`Ummm, I'm guessing here...`
`03:16.10`	`trousers_`	`And now assuming I was guessing wrong`
`03:16.15`	`trousers_`	`What does it mean?`
`03:16.28`	`Leeds`	`let me put it this way - it's nothing to do with the colour of coal...`
`03:16.38`	`trousers_`	`Ahhh, right`
`03:17.10`	`Leeds`	`coal-face meaning "those working at the coal-face" - i.e. those doing the actual coding on well-known projects, who may not be the big-name project leaders, but are the ones churning out code which we all rely on`
`03:17.27`	`pdr`	`Leeds: i reckon the talks a very good too`
`03:17.33`	`pdr`	`s/a/are`
`03:18.07`	`Leeds`	`pdr: they can be pretty variable, I think - at least partly because coal-face people are often not great speakers, and there's always the horrible question of what level to pitch things at`
`03:18.24`	`pdr`	`i see your point`
`03:18.35`	`Leeds`	`e.g. for a kernel talk, do you spend the whole time explaining the basics of virtual memory, or do you expect people to know that and dive deeper?`
`03:18.49`	`pdr`	`it can be good to know who's who and ask questions later though`
`03:19.37`	`Leeds`	`oh, and the other major point - which FOSDEM very much shares with Limmud - just about what you just said - is that there's very little separation between the 'speakers' and 'participants' - everyone hangs out together, chats, eats/drinks together`
`03:19.59`	`pdr`	`indeed`
`03:20.27`	`Leeds`	`I've ended up eating with an interesting variety of well-known community people over the past few years... must hunt down the photo of Bram being really impressed at seeing vim running on my iPaq :-)`
`03:24.27`	`pdr`	`yeah, that was a cool dinner`
`03:24.46`	`pdr`	`the same dinner that i recommended westmalle tripel to Dave`
`03:25.06`	`pdr`	`:-)`
`03:25.57`	`Leeds`	`then there was mussels with Phil Hazel`
`03:26.42`	`Leeds`	`then the mad meal with O'`
`03:26.55`	`Leeds`	`O'Reilly people, including Andy Oram and Miguel`
`03:45.12`	`murb`	`moin`
`05:20.27`	`trousers_`	`Hmm, I should get some sleep`
`05:20.40`	`Leeds`	`yes`
`05:34.57`	`pdr`	`me too`
`06:11.22`	`morsing`	`serris!`
`06:18.01`	`morsing`	`ping wethrin`
`07:50.25`	`morsing`	`Anyone awake?`
`07:57.09`	`murb`	`no`
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`08:18.12`	`morsing`	`SlayerXP!`
`08:18.20`	`SlayerXP`	`yo`
`08:44.43`	`sabinef72`	`morning`
`08:52.34`	`morsing`	`sabinef72!`
`08:55.02`	`sabinef72`	`coucou morsing`
`09:00.45`	`morsing`	`:(`
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`09:45.30`	`morsing`	`ibot wake Leeds`
`09:45.37`	`ibot`	`ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on Leeds and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"`
`09:47.07`	`Leeds`	`chill... I'm not always sitting in front of my IRC, you know`
`09:57.55`	`morsing`	`I thought you were?`
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`10:13.30`	`morsing`	`eyore!`
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`10:37.20`	`eyore`	`yay apparently a bios update will fix all my linux mouse freezing related problems`
`10:40.10`	`morsing`	`ping wethrin`
`10:58.13`	`andrew__`	`grr- spot the falicy in this argument "X works as root, X doesnt work as me => I need the root password"`
`11:02.42`	`eyore`	`"The prime minister had breakfast this morning, I need breakfast => I need to be prime minister"`
`11:13.29`	`andrew__`	`That is pretty well it. When X ran as root (and shouldnt have been) it created a log file belonging to root`
`11:14.57`	`antiphase`	`falicy is spelt fallacy, and I've never had problems running X as root or other users`
`11:15.18`	`antiphase`	`It's setuid I expect, if it logs to /var/log`
`11:18.23`	`andrew__`	`They were also doing something weird in their kshrc file. I you rename this file it starts working.`
`11:19.30`	`cpufreak`	`setenv DISPLAY=cockroach:0 or something similarly stupid`
`11:19.38`	`cpufreak`	`nodoubt`
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`11:59.02`	`morsing`	`goibhniu!`
`12:03.52`	`goibhniu`	`morsing!`
`12:22.42`	`goibhniu`	`hny!`
`12:31.06`	`trousers_`	`Afternoon`
`12:40.00`	`goibhniu`	`indeed`
`12:41.20`	`Leeds`	`hmm... my blog has just been hit by someone apparently inside the BBC, with a referrer of "http://search-reporting.national.core.bbc.co.uk/options/prawn_patrol/prawn.html"`
`12:41.49`	`Leeds`	`prawn_patrol??? :-)`
`12:47.30`	`Leeds`	`it is, genuinely, a Japanese romantic comedy about a lonely geek who takes far too much advice from his mates online about how to woo a woman he likes, even going as far as taking a PDA on dates so he can get help if he needs it`
`12:47.53`	`Leeds`	`it's apparently at least partly a true story`
`12:50.32`	`eyore`	`does it work?`
`12:50.57`	`morsing`	`Does it work Leeds?`
`12:51.39`	`Leeds`	`well, it has a happy ending - but that's mainly because he stops concentrating on IRC and starts concentraing on his bird :-)`
`12:52.34`	`Leeds`	`alright, not IRC... some web forum, I think`
`12:53.02`	`eyore`	`a web forum!`
`12:53.10`	`eyore`	`bah he was never a geek in the first place`
`12:53.13`	`eyore`	`;)`
`12:53.24`	`Leeds`	`yeah, he is`
`12:53.35`	`Leeds`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_man`
`12:53.40`	`morsing`	`Can anyone recommend a good movie to go see next week?`
`12:54.08`	`Leeds`	`Casino Royale, if you haven't seen it - really`
`12:55.56`	`eyore`	`seen it, anything else? :)`
`12:56.31`	`Leeds`	`Pan's Labyrinth is recommended, apparently`
`12:57.07`	`Leeds`	`not sure if or how widely released it is`
`12:57.07`	`eyore`	`arr yes someone else recommended that`
`13:03.30`	`Leeds`	`the last thing I saw was an odd Chinese film which is almost certainly not out in London`
`13:06.36`	`goibhniu`	`morsing: do not go to see Perfume`
`13:07.27`	`goibhniu`	`I've got high expectations for Apocalypto ... so I know I'm going to be disappointed`
`13:07.55`	`goibhniu`	`Black book might be good`
`13:08.51`	`morsing`	`Leeds: Robin's seen it...`
`13:09.24`	`morsing`	`Leeds: Pan's Labyrinth is sold out`
`13:10.20`	`eyore`	`oh bother`
`13:10.30`	`eyore`	`i was just looking at it, it seems really good`
`13:10.52`	`eyore`	`sold out at one cinema or most places?`
`13:12.36`	`morsing`	`eyore: Only checked the Rex, don't care about anywhere else`
`13:13.05`	`eyore`	`ok that's fine as long as it's still showing in camden`
`13:31.49`	`Leeds`	`hint one from this film: do not wax lyrical about the special effects in the Matrix while on a date`
`13:38.20`	`eyore`	`not a big risk`
`13:45.49`	`Leeds`	`also, when visiting her at her parents place, do not wax lyrical about the coolness of her dad's old Mac Classic`
`13:46.18`	`morsing`	`Nice`
`13:46.22`	`morsing`	`Mmm... Wax`
`13:47.47`	`Leeds`	`morsing: I think you'd enjoy this film :-)`
`13:48.57`	`morsing`	`Leeds: Well, Robin won't go to the cinema with me`
`13:49.51`	`Leeds`	`don't blame him`
`13:50.28`	`morsing`	`Why not?`
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`13:50.41`	`morsing`	`dick_turpin!`
`13:51.36`	`dick_turpin`	`morsing: I like to be bought a Baby Cham first`
`13:51.50`	`morsing`	`Baby clam?`
`13:52.03`	`Leeds`	`morsing: because you can't even find a decent film to watch`
`13:52.22`	`dick_turpin`	`morsing: The youth of today? It was a popular drink in the 70's`
`13:52.45`	`morsing`	`I'm not that ols`
`13:52.46`	`morsing`	`old`
`13:52.50`	`Leeds`	`dick_turpin: you used to drink immature shellfish?`
`13:53.24`	`dick_turpin`	`Leeds: I was looking out for you on the tele this morning, Vets in Hong Kong`
`13:54.19`	`Leeds`	`in either meaning`
`13:54.30`	`dick_turpin`	`Leeds: No youre not more like an asian Rottweiler`
`13:55.25`	`Leeds`	`tip 3: when your date plans fall through, do not run away to an internet cafe to jump online and ask your mates what to do`
`13:56.50`	`dick_turpin`	`Leeds: Go on then what was your mates advice?`
`13:57.22`	`Leeds`	`very confusingly, I appear to have both the Japanese and Chinese soundtracks on... as well as the English and Chinese subtitles`
`13:57.44`	`Leeds`	`dick_turpin: sorry - it's a film`
`13:58.02`	`dick_turpin`	`Leeds: Oh`
`13:58.06`	`dick_turpin`	`goibhniu:`
`13:58.35`	`Leeds`	`dick_turpin: Train Man - Japanese romantic comedy about a geeky guy romancing a girl with the help of his online mates`
`13:58.57`	`dick_turpin`	`morsing: Nice`
`13:59.11`	`dick_turpin`	`Leeds: Nice`
`14:01.22`	`Leeds`	`okay, that's even more confusing... now they're actually speaking English`
`14:05.30`	`serris`	`hi Leeds`
`14:06.15`	`dick_turpin`	`Anyone used Moka5 I'm waiting for it to configure itself apparently it takes 45 minutes!!!`
`14:06.56`	`Leeds`	`evening serris`
`14:07.26`	`serris`	`How's it going?`
`14:07.53`	`Leeds`	`dick_turpin: what is Moka5?`
`14:08.25`	`dick_turpin`	`Supposedly it will let you run Linux as an executable from a USB drive`
`14:08.41`	`dick_turpin`	`A bit like VMware`
`14:08.54`	`Leeds`	`never heard of it...`
`14:09.14`	`dick_turpin`	`I want to run a plug and play distro from a flash drive`
`14:09.33`	`Leeds`	`to boot from it, or to run virtually from it?`
`14:09.43`	`dick_turpin`	`http://www.moka5.com/`
`14:10.49`	`dick_turpin`	`Leeds no not boot say you have XP running plug in your USB pen/flash drive and VM/whatever runs`
`14:10.59`	`Leeds`	`closed source/`
`14:11.19`	`dick_turpin`	`Leeds: yes I know but its a work thing`
`14:12.11`	`dick_turpin`	`I've been on the VMware forum which had a promising thread but I think the members lost the plot`
`14:12.51`	`dick_turpin`	`They started talking about running the USB in conjunction with a live CD and thats pants`
`14:14.34`	`dick_turpin`	`What I would like is a virtual machine with say VMplayer on the USB drive so you'd just plugin the USB click on an exe and it would run`
`14:15.12`	`dick_turpin`	`Independant of the PC or Laptop`
`14:19.12`	`dick_turpin`	`And the tumbleweed blows across the room`
`14:21.36`	`Leeds`	`watching my film come to its dramatic end, underneath - seriously - ads for Gigabyte and Asus motherboards :-)`
`14:25.01`	`goibhniu`	`dick_turpin!`
`14:25.39`	`goibhniu`	`I heard those twit knobs talking about moka5 ... sounded fairly crap to me`
`14:25.54`	`goibhniu`	`dick_turpin: why not dsl?`
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`14:28.20`	`goibhniu`	`embedded dsl uses qemu iirc`
`14:29.41`	`dick_turpin`	`goibhniu: Sorry have to keep flipping between machines, I've used DSL but will that run just from a pen drive? surely it needs to be booted?`
`14:30.23`	`goibhniu`	`it will run from a pen drive through windows`
`14:31.00`	`goibhniu`	`you don't have to reboot windows but you do need to boot up dsl of course`
`14:31.35`	`dick_turpin`	`Cor this Moka5 is pretty slick currently running Haiku`
`14:32.39`	`dick_turpin`	`goibhniu: OK here comes the rocks and arrows what if I wanted a Windows desktop to run from the pen drive?`
`14:34.28`	`goibhniu`	`moka is the only thing I've heard of for that, although surely vmware on the client and a vmware image on the pen drive would work`
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`14:35.59`	`goibhniu`	`vmware on embedded dsl running a windows image?`
`14:37.08`	`dick_turpin`	`goibhniu: OK I'll come clean. I'm looking for a way to put an OS on a pen drive that will run when plugged into any machine independantly I.e. nothing is required on the host machine`
`14:38.06`	`goibhniu`	`"an OS" = windows is the tricky bit I guess`
`14:39.17`	`dick_turpin`	`If I can get something sorted I'm looking to sell the pen drives as a mobile solution to our customers, I already use Mobility Mail All I think people will need`
`14:39.24`	`goibhniu`	`but you want it to run off the client OS as well .. when you say nothing do you also mean WinXP or are we talking amigas too?`
`14:39.33`	`goibhniu`	`ahh`
`14:39.34`	`Leeds`	`nice film :-)`
`14:39.46`	`dick_turpin`	`Nope`
`14:40.37`	`goibhniu`	`so you want to sell a usb stick with a copy of windows on it?`
`14:41.51`	`dick_turpin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:42.27`	`dick_turpin`	`I then go home or to another office plug in the USB and off I go`
`14:42.36`	`goibhniu`	`dick_turpin: and this is going to sell for what ... £600?`
`14:42.46`	`dick_turpin`	`goibhniu: ssh`
`14:43.06`	`goibhniu`	`that's a lot of licences if you want to hawk proprietary software`
`14:43.21`	`goibhniu`	`why not embedded dsl, open-office etc?`
`14:43.40`	`dick_turpin`	`goibhniu: Not thought about price I'd like to get the solution working first`
`14:44.45`	`dick_turpin`	`goibhniu: See oOo is a bit big I'd like to use either 512MB or 1GB pen drives`
`14:45.10`	`goibhniu`	`moka is supposed to do that, but it assumes you already have the apps installed I believe`
`14:45.48`	`goibhniu`	`dick_turpin: you can also used a compressed filesystem with dsl`
`14:46.54`	`dick_turpin`	`goibhniu: I'm to busy here to test it, Moka5 is sort of what I want to be honest the OS is sort of irrelevant its the apps that are important with some sort of 'Run Menu'`
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`14:48.06`	`dick_turpin`	`goibhniu: 99% of our Customers are Windows users so they'll expect a form of Windows layout`
`14:48.08`	`goibhniu`	`dick_turpin: can't you whip one of your underlings or something?`
`14:48.29`	`andrew__`	`If you type : find -exec blah \; - why do you need the \ before the ;`
`14:49.01`	`goibhniu`	`dick_turpin: you could run it by the dsl folks and see if they'd like a cut of the action ... could be cheaper than moka`
`14:49.10`	`dick_turpin`	`goibhniu: Work gave me a very good xmas present and bonus I need to come up with something good in return`
`14:50.50`	`goibhniu`	`dick_turpin: exactly ... or are you insinuating commercial/proprietary > open source?`
`14:53.29`	`morsing`	`Nice`
`14:53.33`	`morsing`	`Mmm... Vindaloo`
`14:53.53`	`Leeds`	`andrew__: because otherwise your shell will eat the ; as the command separator`
`14:54.02`	`morsing`	`Leeds: Is Vindaloo good?`
`14:54.30`	`Leeds`	`curry? well... it's strong`
`14:55.05`	`dick_turpin`	`goibhniu: Not sure to be honest I'm a great believer in using whatever gets the job done, of course Idealy open source is the route to go and I may well speak to DSL but unless theres an "Office Package" that will run from the USB and not from the PC`
`14:56.08`	`Leeds`	`I noticed someone I knew on Flickr earlier this evening, in the feed of someone I know but hadn't connected to their flickr account... go back a couple of hours later to see if she's replied, and she's taken the pic down... so I've just sent an apology, explaining that even though I may have signed my message "the Flickr stalker", I'm not actually stalking her...`
`14:56.58`	`Leeds`	`amongst the many things I don't want on my reputation, 'online stalker' ranks fairly high`
`14:57.38`	`eyore`	`if you carry a pda with you i could help you avoid situations like that.`
`14:58.27`	`Leeds`	`I can only guess that she didn't make the connection back from flickr to geoexpat - geoexpat being the site I know her through - even though I have the same account name on both`
`14:58.36`	`dick_turpin`	`Leeds: Youre on slashdot! "stalker strikes again"`
`15:00.00`	`morsing`	`http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6227187.stm`
`15:00.32`	`morsing`	`Leeds: Well, just ordered one...`
`15:00.53`	`Leeds`	`morsing: you've never had a vindaloo?`
`15:00.57`	`morsing`	`No`
`15:01.06`	`Leeds`	`have you heard the vindaloo song?`
`15:01.23`	`morsing`	`Robin's stopping by the take-away tonight and was asking what I wanted`
`15:01.30`	`morsing`	`Leeds: No?`
`15:03.21`	`Leeds`	`oh well`
`15:03.56`	`morsing`	`Where do I find this song?`
`15:04.58`	`Leeds`	`hmm... tea before bed`
`15:07.16`	`Leeds`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=VM6wRt0V878 appears to be the song, but not the video`
`15:10.33`	`Leeds`	`the original video was very funny, in context`
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`15:18.02`	`Leeds`	`morsing: Cock it!`
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`15:24.07`	`morsing`	`catalyst!`
`15:25.25`	`andrew__`	`hi morsing`
`15:26.37`	`catalyst`	`morsing!¬`
`15:37.38`	`morsing`	`andrew__!`
`15:38.18`	`eyore`	`boy am i having crappy dns resolution problems today`
`15:38.22`	`eyore`	`gotta love talktalk`
`15:39.24`	`eyore`	`sounds like the route my packets are taking`
`15:39.54`	`Leeds`	`I did see an attempt to route from Hong Kong to the US via .au last week`
`15:40.16`	`sabinef72`	`Leeds !`
`15:41.16`	`Leeds`	`sabinef72!`
`15:41.24`	`sabinef72`	`what's up ?`
`15:41.32`	`Leeds`	`bonne anne neuveux`
`15:41.43`	`Leeds`	`how's that for really bad french, huh? :-0`
`15:41.53`	`sabinef72`	`bonne année`
`15:42.00`	`sabinef72`	`I don't understand "neuveux"`
`15:42.06`	`Leeds`	`new`
`15:42.16`	`sabinef72`	`nouvelle`
`15:42.23`	`sabinef72`	`but we only say : bonne année`
`15:42.30`	`Leeds`	`yeah, that... what ever it is - to you`
`15:43.22`	`Leeds`	`things are... good and bad... had a very nice Christmas... got very very drunk on New Year... might have some work coming, just maybe... which would mean I can stay in HK a bit longer`
`15:43.42`	`sabinef72`	`so that's only good news`
`15:44.01`	`sabinef72`	`but drink to much is bad`
`15:44.18`	`Leeds`	`yeah, it was a mistake`
`15:44.25`	`Leeds`	`fun though :-)`
`15:45.08`	`sabinef72`	`lol`
`15:45.23`	`Leeds`	`just wish I hadn't puked in front of my friends...`
`15:45.59`	`sabinef72`	`lol`
`15:46.04`	`sabinef72`	`that's very very bad`
`15:47.30`	`Leeds`	`I was under control - I did it in the bin at the MTR station`
`15:47.44`	`sabinef72`	`:-)`
`15:47.50`	`sabinef72`	`I have to go ....`
`15:47.53`	`sabinef72`	`see you later`
`15:47.54`	`sabinef72`	`kisses`
`15:48.07`	`eyore`	`turns out it was someone stealing our wifi`
`15:48.07`	`Leeds`	`g'night :-)`
`15:48.59`	`Leeds`	`eyore: noce`
`15:49.06`	`Leeds`	`nice`
`15:49.06`	`Leeds`	`flooding you out?`
`15:49.15`	`eyore`	`yes`
`15:49.26`	`eyore`	`just only really noticed with the slow DNS responses`
`15:49.39`	`Leeds`	`hmm... Quantas don't allow you to book online to fly from .hk to .au`
`15:49.41`	`eyore`	`soon as i enabled wpa it fixes`
`15:50.16`	`eyore`	`the only think i've seen that hits networks that hard is bittorrent`
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`15:52.29`	`Leeds`	`yeah... it's annoying... I've stolen wifi in my time, but I'd always throttle myself on it... to be honest, I'd always throttle myself anyway, to avoid killing my own connection`
`15:54.29`	`eyore`	`at home too`
`15:54.38`	`eyore`	`i left it open as a good will gesture`
`15:54.51`	`eyore`	`then people run torrent and now i've had to restrict all the torrent ports`
`15:55.05`	`eyore`	`or peer2peer it was actually`
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`15:56.28`	`Leeds`	`I ended up hiding my ssid here - I think people were joining me by accident, rather than on purpose, but firstly I'm paying quite a lot for my connection, and secondly they were flooding me...`
`15:56.50`	`Leeds`	`it's not hard to find my ssid if you want to sniff it, but it should stop accidental connections`
`15:57.11`	`Leeds`	`anyway, it's midnight and I've got to see a man about some work in the morning, so it's sleep time`
`15:57.25`	`Leeds`	`so g'night all`
`15:57.33`	`eyore`	`nn`
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`16:06.12`	`morsing`	`flips_and_rails!`
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`16:56.04`	`secretlondon`	`ello`
`16:56.40`	`boudiccas`	`bonjour secretlondon`
`16:59.11`	`secretlondon`	`salut boudiccas`
`17:00.04`	`boudiccas`	`prosit nieu jahr secretlondon`
`17:00.31`	`secretlondon`	`danke`
`17:00.53`	`SlayerXP`	`fo sup ma nizzle`
`17:01.04`	`boudiccas`	`nee how mah secretlondon`
`17:01.49`	`boudiccas`	`how are you secretlondon [in cantonese]`
`17:04.15`	`goibhniu`	`boudiccas: you speak in many tongues today ... are you possessed by evil?`
`17:04.22`	`secretlondon`	`ah - i'm fine`
`17:04.29`	`secretlondon`	`goibhniu: no that's me`
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`17:05.19`	`goibhniu`	`secretlondon: = boudiccas? morsing ... is this true?`
`17:05.41`	`goibhniu`	`anyway, I'm glad you're fine`
`17:06.16`	`boudiccas`	`goibhniu; no, just had a very good day with lots achieved`
`17:07.01`	`goibhniu`	`also a sign of possession`
`17:08.24`	`goibhniu`	`I just remembered lots of things I promised to have done before christmas today`
`17:08.36`	`goibhniu`	`I'm so glad I forgot about them`
`17:08.56`	`goibhniu`	`it takes the fun out of holidays`
`17:25.02`	`wethrin`	`hello`
`17:26.55`	`secretlondon`	`wethrin: ello`
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`18:12.17`	`The_StalLion`	`hello`
`18:12.28`	`The_StalLion`	`please can i join your usergroup?`
`18:13.44`	`eyore`	`did you know if you hover the mouse over the gnome taskbar and use the scroll wheel it rotates through all the windows`
`18:13.53`	`eyore`	`i never knew that, till just now by accident`
`18:16.49`	`The_StalLion`	`i never knew that either eyore! thank you. it does the same with desktops`
`18:18.03`	`eyore`	`did you know you can drag items from the taskbar into the virtual desktop applet to move them between desktops`
`19:16.37`	`Gunde`	`The_StalLion: Of course you can join, but didnt you just do so by coming to the channel?`
`19:23.21`	`The_StalLion`	`yes! I guess i did! do you still have meetings?`
`19:30.20`	`Gunde`	`Yes, every now and then there are meetings too.`
`19:30.49`	`Gunde`	`You might be able to find out by looking at the mailing lists or subscribing to them.`
`19:33.45`	`The_StalLion`	`ok i'll do that. just moved to london from shropshire and want to join a new user group`
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`21:56.58`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu,`
`21:57.32`	`goibhniu`	`Dick_Turpin!`
`21:57.56`	`Dick_Turpin`	`I think I've cracked it but for Windows only`
`21:58.00`	`goibhniu`	`I just got the christmas beryl today ... it's nice`
`21:58.09`	`goibhniu`	`but a bit late`
`21:58.29`	`goibhniu`	`oh yeah?`
`21:58.32`	`Dick_Turpin`	`We'll come back to beryl in a sec`
`21:58.55`	`Dick_Turpin`	`yeah this is what I was on about http://portableapps.com/apps`
`21:59.46`	`goibhniu`	`ah yeah, I was going to mention that`
`21:59.51`	`Dick_Turpin`	`You get a cool menu so you can choose what you want email, browser, word blah blah blah`
`22:00.02`	`goibhniu`	`smashing`
`22:00.18`	`goibhniu`	`mac on a stick :D`
`22:00.33`	`Dick_Turpin`	`Now I made an autorun file but it only works on XP not 2000 or lower`
`22:01.17`	`goibhniu`	`is it launching a html file by any chance?`
`22:01.19`	`Dick_Turpin`	`The autorun that is`
`22:02.05`	`Dick_Turpin`	`Not sure how much hands on experiance do you have with XP Pro?`
`22:02.26`	`goibhniu`	`I know there are some issues with opening html files ... but hta can get around it`
`22:02.38`	`goibhniu`	`and hta files let you do a couple of fancy things too`
`22:03.26`	`Dick_Turpin`	`If you've got an executable on a USB drive XP fires up a choices box and say "What do you want to do"`
`22:03.51`	`goibhniu`	`I don't know much about Xp at all`
`22:04.33`	`Dick_Turpin`	`With the .inf file I created portableapps has an entry in the choices box in fact its highlighted as well`
`22:05.36`	`Dick_Turpin`	`What I need is something like an installer that will run /execute on W98, W2K and XP`
`22:06.21`	`Dick_Turpin`	`I was hoping to make it multi platform but that then means going down the VM route`
`22:06.53`	`goibhniu`	`Dick_Turpin: I assume you don't actually want to install anything though ... have you tried hta files?`
`22:07.30`	`goibhniu`	`a xul app would be nicely cross platform ... depends on what you want to do though`
`22:07.46`	`clive-h`	`beryl as in compiz spin off?`
`22:07.49`	`Dick_Turpin`	`1 Min I'll be back don't go away`
`22:07.55`	`goibhniu`	`clive-h: yep`
`22:08.25`	`goibhniu`	`clive-h: it's really nice now`
`22:08.34`	`clive-h`	`ahhh i'm working towards putting linux on a new pc`
`22:08.46`	`goibhniu`	`clive-h: good one ... how's it going?`
`22:09.00`	`clive-h`	`planning stage`
`22:09.27`	`clive-h`	`i'm a linux sysadmin for a living incidentally`
`22:09.54`	`goibhniu`	`ahh .. what distro are you going for?`
`22:09.57`	`clive-h`	`marvell ethernet chip is the gotcha`
`22:10.14`	`clive-h`	`either fedora or opensuse`
`22:10.26`	`antiphase`	`Puke`
`22:10.52`	`clive-h`	`you would say that`
`22:11.09`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, I@m back`
`22:11.13`	`clive-h`	`i suspect i'll have probs with solaris too`
`22:11.43`	`cpufreak`	`why not just get some decent hardware with properly supported network cards?`
`22:11.49`	`cpufreak`	`e1000g drivers under solaris rock`
`22:11.50`	`goibhniu`	`clive-h: no modules for it at all?`
`22:12.09`	`Dick_Turpin`	`I don't know xul or hta`
`22:12.14`	`clive-h`	`upstream ones`
`22:12.16`	`cpufreak`	`especially if you have >=2 cards, so you can create active/active bonds using dladm`
`22:12.34`	`clive-h`	`the marvell chip is in the olpc`
`22:12.50`	`clive-h`	`it's my new desktop`
`22:13.08`	`cpufreak`	`are you a child?`
`22:13.16`	`clive-h`	`errr no`
`22:13.18`	`cpufreak`	`(presuming olpc = one laptop per child as per www.laptop.org)`
`22:13.22`	`antiphase`	`PCI slots were invented so you can buy cheap motherboards and still have networking`
`22:13.34`	`clive-h`	`it does mean that`
`22:13.43`	`cpufreak`	`so you nicked some child's laptop?`
`22:13.45`	`cpufreak`	`meanie`
`22:13.59`	`antiphase`	`:)`
`22:14.02`	`goibhniu`	`Dick_Turpin: hta is just html that opens IE without the buttons and gives you more permissions`
`22:14.10`	`clive-h`	`err i'm discordian over there -->`
`22:14.30`	`cpufreak`	`oh, sorryl`
`22:14.31`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, Oh, I take it you had a look at the site?`
`22:14.37`	`cpufreak`	`I presumed you were one of the other lusers in here :)`
`22:14.41`	`clive-h`	`i know what i'm doing`
`22:14.55`	`cpufreak`	`my bad`
`22:15.33`	`cpufreak`	`most people in here would have more clue, if they candy flipped`
`22:15.56`	`clive-h`	`i don't believe the chip is supported in mainline kernels yet`
`22:15.56`	`goibhniu`	`Dick_Turpin: the site?`
`22:15.56`	`Dick_Turpin`	`http://portableapps.com/apps`
`22:16.04`	`goibhniu`	`Dick_Turpin: yep`
`22:16.06`	`clive-h`	`there's some discussion about my new pc on ubuntu forums`
`22:16.51`	`clive-h`	`and yes i could just stick another nic in it`
`22:17.24`	`clive-h`	`it should run compiz/beryl though`
`22:17.33`	`cpufreak`	`or windows`
`22:17.33`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, When you select the .exe you get a the portableapps menu from there you can select oOo, firefox, thunderbird etc`
`22:17.35`	`cpufreak`	`:p`
`22:17.52`	`clive-h`	`well it comes with mce`
`22:18.09`	`clive-h`	`but i don't use windows as a desktop os`
`22:18.21`	`clive-h`	`and haven't since around 94`
`22:18.27`	`cpufreak`	`you should try it again`
`22:18.37`	`cpufreak`	`i've been using vista on my second x2 at home`
`22:18.39`	`cpufreak`	`its pretty good`
`22:19.00`	`clive-h`	`my new box is an x2`
`22:19.23`	`antiphase`	`I have it installed on principle that most useful stuff fails to work correctly with free software`
`22:19.48`	`clive-h`	`i always install doze on my own workstations`
`22:19.57`	`clive-h`	`but i rarely use it`
`22:19.58`	`antiphase`	`I have an X2, which is 99.9% idle`
`22:20.05`	`antiphase`	`Good space heater though`
`22:20.12`	`murb`	`antiphase: turn it off then?`
`22:20.17`	`antiphase`	`I do at night`
`22:20.22`	`clive-h`	`well the x2 will be my desktop`
`22:20.50`	`clive-h`	`lol`
`22:20.52`	`murb`	`WoL was more challenging as it turned out their was a driver bug which required the mac address to be reversed.`
`22:21.02`	`clive-h`	`errrk`
`22:21.30`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, stop it this is more important ;-)`
`22:22.05`	`clive-h`	`my old desktop couldn't run compiz`
`22:24.03`	`clive-h`	`soup mm`
`22:39.23`	`goibhniu`	`as a rule I don't usually eat animals but rules are made to be broken and that chicken tasted like it came straight from Thailand`
`22:40.11`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, Looks like I'm not the only one persuing the USB idea http://www.choir.it/choir.nsf/vsections/411E428BAF5755BD80257253004D1297?opendocument&sec=Products`
`22:42.11`	`goibhniu`	`Dick_Turpin: "Are you ready to stick it anywhere?"`
`22:43.40`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, I've swam the depths of depravity ;-)`
`22:45.37`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, So you've got the Crimble beryl? are you using svn or is it the Ubuntu release?`
`22:46.14`	`clive-h`	`is beryl better than compiz?`
`22:46.34`	`Dick_Turpin`	`clive-h, Oh yeah`
`22:46.52`	`clive-h`	`new pc has gforce 6100`
`22:48.02`	`Dick_Turpin`	`clive-h, You should be good to go, you'll probably get the water effect I cant :-( but I do get most of the others`
`22:48.17`	`goibhniu`	`straight 0.1.4 (gentoo)`
`22:48.43`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, Hm none for suse yet :-(`
`22:48.54`	`clive-h`	`annoying cos old desktop has intel gma chip`
`22:49.11`	`clive-h`	`suse 10.1 shipped with compiz`
`22:49.35`	`goibhniu`	`clive-h: ahh so you need aiglx instead`
`22:49.50`	`goibhniu`	`or does 10.1 have xorg 7.1?`
`22:50.02`	`Dick_Turpin`	`clive-h, You need to go to the beryl site theres a very good HOWTO which will explain how to add the repositories`
`22:50.06`	`clive-h`	`pass`
`22:50.16`	`clive-h`	`i use fedora`
`22:50.33`	`clive-h`	`i'll investigate`
`22:51.02`	`clive-h`	`at the moment my main prob is the box is unlikely to run os x`
`22:52.47`	`z00dax`	`clive-h: what version of fedora are you running ?`
`22:52.56`	`clive-h`	`6`
`22:53.00`	`z00dax`	`fc6 shipped with compiz included`
`22:53.03`	`clive-h`	`foe`
`22:53.07`	`clive-h`	`i know`
`22:53.22`	`clive-h`	`compiz doesn't work on intel chips`
`22:54.02`	`clive-h`	`i'm still working up to installing that pc`
`22:54.04`	`goibhniu`	`clive-h: it does`
`22:54.14`	`goibhniu`	`just with aiglx instead of xgl`
`22:54.21`	`clive-h`	`oh`
`22:54.36`	`clive-h`	`it didn't like my intel gma box`
`22:54.43`	`clive-h`	`interesting`
`22:55.01`	`goibhniu`	`which is part of xorg 7.1`
`22:55.09`	`clive-h`	`hmmm`
`22:55.23`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, Have you seen this sneak preview for Beryl http://metascape.afraid.org:13666/~quinn/bsmpp6.png`
`22:55.28`	`z00dax`	`aiglx has been in fedora since fc4 days`
`22:55.33`	`z00dax`	`has been available that is`
`22:56.21`	`clive-h`	`That might fix the issue on this laptop too`
`22:56.35`	`clive-h`	`also intel graphics`
`22:57.31`	`goibhniu`	`twinklebum we love you: http://www.myspace.com/twinklebum_uk`
`22:58.44`	`clive-h`	`i'm sure i installed aigl`
`22:58.56`	`clive-h`	`i'm sure i installed aiglx`
`22:59.12`	`goibhniu`	`Dick_Turpin: nice`
`23:00.56`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, I'm not 100% its Beryl as its Quinn who's doing it and he's the Compiz man but he posted it on planet.beryl so I reckon it will seep into Beryl`
`23:01.59`	`goibhniu`	`Quinn is beryl woman/man`
`23:03.07`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, I know but he still works on Compiz, IMO Beryl will rule`
`23:04.17`	`goibhniu`	`Dick_Turpin: s/he started beryl`
`23:04.39`	`goibhniu`	`it's dave someone who's heading compiz iirc`
`23:05.30`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, I know I know but Suse still has the repo compiz-quinn for compiz he was working at Novell then started the fork`
`23:06.10`	`trousers_`	`Quinn was in an IRC channel I was in the other day asking for help :P`
`23:07.37`	`goibhniu`	`Dick_Turpin: wow! I always thought he was totally separate ... weird`
`23:09.08`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, :-) Anyway I'm upset you've got snow and I havent, you know what that means don't you?`
`23:09.24`	`goibhniu`	`Dick_Turpin: please, don't curse me!!!`
`23:09.39`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, Its worse than that!`
`23:09.43`	`goibhniu`	`don't do it Dick_Turpin!!`
`23:10.26`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, It will be all your fault!`
`23:11.23`	`goibhniu`	`But... I didn't do anything!`
`23:11.30`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, When I get in the office tomorrow one of my minions will get a roasting`
`23:11.44`	`goibhniu`	`ahh ... ok`
`23:11.45`	`goibhniu`	`phew`
`23:12.39`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, Phew? the one I intend to pick on is 64 years old!`
`23:12.57`	`goibhniu`	`Dick_Turpin: tbh the snow is a little crap`
`23:13.32`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, You've got the wrong colour you need white`
`23:16.41`	`Dick_Turpin`	`catch you all on the flip side`
`23:28.17`	`*** join/#gllug catalyst (n=catalyst@jamesmorse.plus.com)`

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