irclog2html for #gllug on 20070104

00:13.10trousers_Morning all
00:14.48goibhniuindeed
01:15.23trousers_Anybody awake?
01:18.17Leedsyes
01:20.47z00daxyes
01:21.20psnlyes
01:24.54rhoweyup
01:26.27trousers_Leeds: I found out exactly what I wanted to do with router in the correct lingo now, I think. I basically wanted to run NAT, DNS and DHCP on a server already inside a network :)
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01:27.15trousers_And iptables still looks *really* evil
01:28.32z00dax(netfilter + ip2 )++
01:30.56Leedstrousers_: ah, that makes a little more sense :-)
01:34.45rhowePhotoshopped? http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/109466.aspx
01:43.40z00daxbests
01:43.52Leedscheers
01:54.44trousers_z00dax: I'm going to be trying some IP-over-power stuff soon :)
01:54.58trousers_To run my server in the garage
02:01.25z00daxtrousers_: before you make any major investment - make sure you have some means of running the interface
02:01.45z00daxmost of these ip-over-power things need a windows client for their encryption
02:02.03z00daxand running it without any security is not nice
02:02.31trousers_z00dax: My dad runs a Windows server, so I can always go through his
02:02.52z00daxi meant they need windows machines on each end of the adapters
02:18.37trousers_Hmm, could be a bit tricky, my dad ordered them so I'll find out the model and research it later
02:18.56z00daxcool
06:00.22Leedsibot seen goibhniu
06:01.04ibotgoibhniu <n=cillian@87-194-36-120.bethere.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 5h 46m 16s ago, saying: 'indeed'.
07:26.33morsingLeeds!
07:29.54Leedsmorsing!
07:30.37Leedsso, just for random oddness... got a fishing mail overnight from, apparently, someone hiring for Google in India
07:39.58morsingfishing?!
07:40.57Leedsbasically, it says "we've found your details somewhere - please give us a list of your skills, experience and training and we might get back to you"
07:42.08Leedsit doesn't particularly seem to relate to either of my applications to work for them here
07:49.07morsingCrap
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09:36.44morsingmikejw!
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09:41.06morsinghuw-l!
09:43.02huw-lmorning
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09:50.18morsingSlayerXP!
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09:52.54SlayerXPlo
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10:10.54morsingkeithlard_!
10:11.03keithlard_hi :)
10:17.00z00daxheya, howse you doing ?
10:34.51morsingz00dax: Have you moo'd today?
10:36.18z00daxmooooo
10:36.21z00daxnow i have
10:40.06morsing:)
10:53.04mikejwmorning peeps :0]
10:53.15z00daxheya freak
10:54.27mikejwwhat's happening?
10:54.47morsingNot much...
10:55.06mikejwhappy new year =]
10:55.24z00daxwe got the peeps and the freaks, what about the geeks ?
10:55.39z00daxi am sure there is a geek around here somewhere
10:55.56mikejwmabes
11:00.48goibhniuforgive me for repeating myself but since we're on the topic ....  All hail twinklebum!: http://www.myspace.com/twinklebum_uk
11:01.08goibhniuthis is not safe for work ... unless you work at Channel 4
11:03.04goibhniuI always wonder about that "not safe for work" warning on US podcasts ... what is that about? Does everyone hang out in their cubicles hugging their ghetto blasters or something?
11:05.25Leedsit's quite common in US offices for (at least some) people to have their own offices, with walls and doors, and everything, so you can actually put stuff on without headphones, as long as it's not too loud
11:06.00Leedsit does mean, however, that anyone coming into your office can hear what you're listening to, and if something comes on which is particularly loud, it will probably be audible outside
11:06.29Leedsgoibhniu: you are @oxfam, right?
11:08.04goibhniuLeeds: omfg! I have never even seen someone with an office ... that sounds plush!
11:08.15goibhniuLeeds: yep, @oxfam
11:08.29goibhniuLeeds: how did it go with the job thing this mornin?
11:08.56z00daxthe whole idea of an open plan office is quite new - most people in slightly older office spaces have their on little rooms
11:09.07z00daxor well, cube's -> Dilbert style
11:10.06Leedsgoibhniu: well... the job thing this morning was a contract for oxfam :-)
11:13.33morsingLeeds: That's how it was in Denmark until a few years ago
11:13.38morsingI had my own office
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11:13.49morsingCould even close and lock the door :)
11:13.55morsingtarragon!
11:13.55LeedsSun in the US is generally all separate offices - or pairs
11:13.57tarragonmorsing:
11:13.59Leedstarragon!  Happy New Year!
11:14.01morsingtarragon: I can't believe you came :)
11:14.07tarragonHNY to all
11:14.34tarragonjust couldn't stay away
11:14.53goibhniuLeeds: excellent!!! plone?
11:15.04Leedsgoibhniu: nope, roundup
11:16.17goibhniuahh ... did it go well?
11:17.17Leedswell, I'm waiting for the details, but it's only a week-long contract, and I'm expecting to spend next week on it
11:18.17goibhniuI started on a month-long project a year ago :D
11:18.47Leedsnah, this is a specific contract for specific work
11:18.48goibhniuLeeds: not for Oxfam GB by any chance is it?
11:18.54Leedsit is
11:18.58goibhniuwhoa!
11:19.08goibhniuCan I put in a good word somewhere?
11:19.19Leedsagain, don't know the details, don't know how much I should share, but someone called Andrew appears to be the instigator
11:19.56goibhniuaha! ... there are four Andrews (at least), but I think I know the one
11:20.15goibhniuhe's a great guy
11:20.16Leedsthanks, but nah - the point is that I know a guy here who does contract/consultancy work, but he mainly works in php, and since this is python work, he's willing to pass it on to me - or to take me on, temporarily, to do it under his company
11:21.25goibhniuah, I heard about a guy who works from HK
11:21.31goibhniusmall world eh!
11:22.31goibhniuLeeds: let me know if I can help out at all though
11:22.35morsingHas anyone seen "Last King of Scotland"?
11:23.43Leedscertainly is... when I saw who it was for, I said "ah, I think I know a guy at oxfam - a glluger" :-)
11:26.42morsingLeeds?
11:27.09Leedsmorsing: what?
11:28.05Leedsyou know all the films I've seen recently
11:31.14morsingDo I?
11:31.36Leedsyes - Casino Royale, Curse of the Golden Flower and Train Man
11:33.02z00daxtrain man ?
11:33.10z00daxis that like rain main, but with Mr. T ?
11:33.26morsingLeeds: Train Man isn't on over here :(
11:33.43Leedsz00dax: Japanese film I was watching last night... about a geeky bloke who meets a girl, falls in love, and woos her with the help of his mates online... may or may not be a true story
11:33.55z00daxmight be interesting..
11:34.12Leedsromantic comedy, but a geeky one :-)
11:34.13morsingz00dax: "I Kina Spiser de Hunde" claims to be a true story
11:34.22Leedsmorsing: it's a couple of years old now
11:35.30morsingWhich one?
11:35.39LeedsTrain Man
11:35.45morsingAhh...
11:36.22goibhniumorsing: they do eat dogs
11:36.33goibhniuand why shouldn't they
11:37.27Leedsthey eat them in China... it's illegal here
11:38.06goibhniuscandalous, I guess that's a British law
11:38.20Leedsyeah, came in in the 50s, I think
11:38.59Leedsto be fair, they're pretty dogs-as-pets friendly... lots of pet and vet shops, walking routes with doggie toilets, etc.
11:39.00goibhniuthey probably tried to ban chop sticks too ... fools
11:39.21Leedsuh, no
11:39.31Leedsthat would just be a really odd thing to do...
11:39.44mikejw:D
11:41.03Leedseven I'm quite good with them now :-)
11:41.19goibhniuI'd bet a fiver they're banned on airplanes though
11:41.53Leedsnot that I'm aware of
11:42.46Leedsthen again, I haven't been on an Asian plane since about August
11:47.30goibhniuoh well, it doesn't matter to morsing anyway
11:47.45LeedsI think maybe it was a good idea staying away from Times Square for New Year: http://www.flickr.com/photos/amyliu/345234551/
11:48.59goibhniumorsing: all I can say is Pan's Labyrinth is good and Perfume is utter crap, Apocalypto has potential but I'm preparing myself for disappointment
11:53.14morsinggoibhniu: TwoSheds' already seen Pan's Lab...
11:53.21Leedsno mention of it on the websites of the three main HK cinema chains :-(
11:53.41mikejwbbl duders
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11:53.53Leedsmikejw: piss off
11:54.00Leedsdammit :-)
11:54.24goibhniumorsing: apocalypto then, at least if it's crap we can all get upset about it
11:55.22phearlesshi #gllug
11:55.30morsingphearless!
11:55.41phearlesswhat's going on here ?
11:55.48morsingMovies
11:56.02Leedsphearless: does your employer, by any chance, have any short-term python contracts they want to farm out to Hong Kong?
11:56.31phearlessno, sorry
11:56.46phearlessso now you are jobless in HK ?
11:56.56Leedsgoibhniu: looks like you win the prize for this one :-)
11:57.14LeedsI've been jobless in HK for almost exactly 3 months
11:57.32Leedsfrankly, it's much more fun than being jobless in London, in my experience...
11:58.13goibhniuYay! for what .. the chopsticks?
11:58.46phearless<Leeds> frankly, it's much more fun than being jobless in London, in my experience... <---- do you live just thanks to your saved money ?
11:58.52Leedsgoibhniu: no, for paying my rent :-)
11:58.59Leedsyeah, although I'm sort of out of money now
12:02.38morsing:)
12:03.35phearlesslook for a job or build your own business :)
12:04.08murbcan you be legally self employed if you don't have the right to permeinant residence?
12:05.05antiphaseWork is work surely
12:05.16antiphaseIf you are permitted to work, you may
12:05.45Leedsif you start and run a company, you can get a residential visa, but you can't necessarily employ yourself
12:06.31Leedsand an employment visa - which is something different - is for a specific job at a specific company - if you lose that job, you lose your visa, and if you change companies you need to apply for a new visa
12:06.49Leedsin this particular instance, we're... sort of... not letting this stuff worry us...
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12:20.23tarragonibot seen SpudULike
12:20.32ibotspudulike is currently on #gllug (3h 9m 28s) #openzaurus (3h 9m 28s), last said: 'I hope it stays happy for you all too!'.
12:20.35morsingmikejw!
12:21.09Leedstarragon: how are you, anyway?
12:21.54goibhniuLeeds: I wonder ... if you can work for Oxfam GB from HK ... can you also register a company in the UK, to employ yourself in HK?
12:22.30Leedsgoibhniu: uh... I can't work for Oxfam GB in HK
12:22.31trousers_Is http://www.jewbuntu.com real or just a joke?
12:23.27Leedstrousers_: I'd assume it's a joke reaction to the various Christian distros
12:23.30tarragonLeeds: OK, busy trying to fix a dead drive that someone barfed
12:23.43goibhniutrousers_: I heard there's also a satanic version
12:24.03Leedstarragon: barfed, like had too much to drink on NYE? :-)
12:24.12trousers_goibhniu: There is indeed here: http://parker1.co.uk/satanic/
12:24.55goibhniufools ... don't they realise free software IS a religion
12:25.05trousers_goibhniu: It is?
12:26.51tarragonIt was NYE that it died. I will ask, but I bet they were all tucked up in bed like good little Oracle DBAs
12:27.04SpudULikeHi room, have there been any posts on the GLLUG mailing list this morning? None that I can see, but maybe it's just me!
12:27.46LeedsSpudULike: last post seen here was a few hours ago
12:27.48LeedsI think
12:27.57goibhniutrousers_: the one true
12:28.30LeedsSpudULike: sorry, make that - less than an hour ago
12:29.08SpudULikeOdd, I've not seen anything since last night.
12:29.26morsingSpudULike: Have you seen "Last King of Scotland"?
12:30.15SpudULikemorsing, not yet, Good?
12:31.14trousers_goibhniu: Well, not really, because you can be in the open source movement irrelevant of sex, race, sexuality, age or religion, which can't be said for most religions I know of
12:31.51trousers_goibhniu: Oh, and if you're a criminal :D
12:34.17goibhniutrousers_: that's what makes it the best one, and why we must destroy all others with brutal force
12:34.26SpudULikemorsing, did you see the film at the cinema or via a download?
12:40.03morsingSpudULike: Which one?
12:40.22morsingOh... No I'm gauging whether I should go see it
12:40.30morsingI'm going next Friday
12:46.51SpudULikeLast film I saw, at the cinema, was Casino Royale.  Seen as a special treat to myself after the works Christmas party, back in early December.  I had expected the 'late night' showings to be a little more popular.  There were only 10 or so of us and I suspect 5 of them might have been cleaners.  The ticket booth was closed, so tickets had to be bought from the 'hot-dog' stand, where the girl there did her best to try and persuade me not to go!  Stil
12:46.51SpudULikel, I enjoyed it.
12:47.34LeedsSpudULike: I saw it at 0020 on 26/12, after spending the afternoon on the beach - good day, good film :-)
12:48.10SpudULikeLate night flicks more popular in HK?
12:48.45Leedsnot particularly, no... but it is a later-night place than London, for sure
12:49.26Leedspartly the weather, of course - even at this time of year, you don't really need more than a light jacket, most nights... unless you're a local, of course, in which case you're in three layers and a fur-lined coat once it goes below about 20C
12:50.16Leedsthey put out official cold weather warnings if it goes below - I think - 14C
12:50.16SpudULikeI was in Acton at the time, I was still surprised by the lack of enthusiasm. Central London would have been better.
12:50.57SpudULikeAt the mo' it's not getting much below 14C here!
12:51.11Leedsmy trainer at the gym was telling me the other week he went to the cinema at about 4am
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13:00.43morsingJasperw!
13:19.24trousers_Mor{n,s}ing
13:22.55morsingNice
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14:16.42morsingtrskz!
14:17.30SpudULikepan
14:20.13morsingNice
14:27.28morsingCan Outlook be set to create a proper message-ID?
14:29.05goibhniu~seen failure
14:29.28ibotfailure <n=failure@host81-158-51-252.range81-158.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 19d 21h 29m 5s ago, saying: 'no, things here are quite sloooow'.
14:29.47goibhniu:'(
14:29.51morsingibot failure
14:29.56ibotfailure is probably not an option
14:32.31goibhniuibot vista
14:34.57goibhniuarghh ... i just missed lunch with the co-founder of plone .... feck
14:45.40morsingCan Mutt be changed so the list of mails scroll instead of pages?
14:46.38morsingHello?
14:51.02morsingSpudULike?
14:51.26SpudULikemorsing?
14:59.14morsingSpudULike: Can Mutt be changed so the list of mails scroll instead of pages?
15:02.43SpudULikemorsing, yes.
15:04.16tarragonI thought mutt used either up/down/left/right for scrolling by either one line or one page
15:06.57SpudULikeAh, I may have it confused with muttng, which has a scroll bar.
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15:08.37cbzpaddum paddum
15:09.25morsingcbz!
15:09.34cbzhello
15:10.05morsingtarragon: Ermmm... No. Just tried that
15:10.12morsingtarragon: What I mean is,
15:10.45morsingWhen the "bar" hits the top of the list the whole list jumps by a page and the bar goes to the bottom
15:11.02morsingrather than the lines just scrolling down by one at a time
15:18.05morsingNo-one knows
15:18.07morsing?
15:20.00SpudULikemorsing, sorry, no, got me on that one.  The scrol bar I was on about was to do with folders anyway.  Not used mutt in a long time.
15:20.55morsingMutt sucks anyway
15:21.32tarragonThere is a commit to fix scrolling issues http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/mutt-ng?rev=785&view=rev
15:22.58cbzheh
15:23.30morsingtarragon: Sidebar?!
15:23.39morsingDon't know what that is
15:24.51tarragonIs this mutt or muttng that you are using?
15:25.52morsingtarragon: I typed aptitude install mutt
15:25.59morsingAnd when running it I type mutt
15:27.54tarragonMy fault. You mentioned a scroll bar so it is a GUI version which is muttng. Mutt is just console only
15:28.14morsingYes. I didn't mention a scroll bar
15:28.38morsingI was talking about the horizontal bar marking the message you're on
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15:58.45morsingLeeds!
15:59.11Leedswhat?
15:59.15morsingMoo
16:11.07morsingLeeds!
16:19.25wethrinmorsing: ping?
16:22.06morsingwethrin!
16:24.13wethrinAha!
16:24.16morsingNice
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16:43.34LeedsErwin: happy new year!
16:48.52ErwinThanks, same to you, Leeds.
16:50.15boudiccastrousers_; are you using vim-latex?
16:51.03Leedsboudiccas: that's, like, a really clean type of rubber?
16:51.39boudiccasLeeds; an eraser specially for use in vim i believe
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16:55.57goibhniudick_turpin: what took you so long? .... did the minions revolt?
16:56.37dick_turpingoibhniu: I was really good to see an old woman in tears
16:57.46goibhniudick_turpin: you must have prince2
16:58.52dick_turpingoibhniu: prince2 ?
17:00.13goibhniuit's a piece of paper you're supposed to have hanging on your cubicle that lets you be mean
17:00.25goibhniuI thought you'd be all over that stuff
17:01.13dick_turpingoibhniu: That one went completley over my head, a bit like an aeroplane :-)
17:02.24goibhniuit's a certificate for "bosses" because they get jealous of all the fancy java certificates their minions have
17:02.25dick_turpin25 minutes till home time
17:02.54boudiccasdick_turpin; do you run a shop?
17:03.10goibhniua sweat shop by the sounds of things
17:03.24dick_turpinboudiccas: What do you want to buy, we're all out of bread
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17:03.38boudiccashave to call him 'arkwright' as he's open all hours :))))
17:03.59Leedsfork handles!
17:04.14boudiccaslol
17:04.35dick_turpinWe have one of those Indian corner shops down the road from my house its amazing what you can buy he has just about everything
17:04.58boudiccastime to get tea on the go :)
17:05.10dick_turpinboudiccas: Ooh what we having
17:05.25boudiccassuasages and onions with rice and gravy
17:05.46dick_turpinboudiccas: Rice? it should be mash
17:05.54boudiccaswe're out of spuds
17:06.10boudiccasso its either rice or pasta, and i vote rice
17:06.12dick_turpinboudiccas: Hang on I think we have some out back
17:07.16dick_turpingoibhniu: I'm mega impressed with that PortableApps been messing with it most of the day
17:08.12dick_turpingoibhniu: Would you like to see the flier I intend to send out?
17:08.22goibhniudick_turpin: go on then :D
17:08.52dick_turpingoibhniu: Email address? I promise not to put you on my list ;-)
17:09.07goibhniucillian.deroiste@gmail.com
17:09.16dick_turpin1 min
17:09.29tarragondick_turpin: PotableApps is cool especially if you also have DSl on the same pendrive
17:11.38dick_turpintarragon: goibhniu and I discussed DSL last night I'd love some sort of cross platform solution but 98% of my customers are MS users
17:12.13goibhniudick_turpin: nice one, that looks great!
17:12.37dick_turpingoibhniu: Are you impressed with my marketing skills?
17:13.13goibhniuvery, I want to buy one, and I don't even run windows!
17:13.40SpudULikeOut of Spuds?
17:14.07dick_turpingoibhniu: Let you into a secret, its not gone out yet as I'm waiting for prices on the pen drives from our printers
17:14.10goibhniudick_turpin: interesting news flash on your site
17:14.25dick_turpingoibhniu: Go on
17:15.02goibhniuabout the servers going on strike in the US
17:15.18goibhniuis that your handy work too?
17:15.47goibhniubloody commies
17:16.01dick_turpingoibhniu: Good in't it, Thats my work, webserver CentOS with Joomla its all open source and I have full control
17:17.44goibhniupretty nice dick_turpin
17:18.03dick_turpingoibhniu: They are out of date but it makes the punters phone
17:18.43dick_turpingoibhniu: I do a mailer 2-3 times a week some of the refurb stuff is very very cheap
17:19.01Leedsdick_turpin: your apps are safe to drink?
17:19.22dick_turpinLeeds: :-S
17:19.48ErwinTranslantic Coach (to LA or SF): AA, Virgin or BA?
17:20.24dick_turpin7 mins to home time
17:20.32LeedsI've only done Virgin
17:20.51dick_turpinLeeds: You've done a Virgin?
17:21.22Leedssorry, only been on Virgin
17:21.42dick_turpinLeeds: You've been on a Virgin?
17:21.55Leedssorry, only been a Virgin
17:22.10boudiccaseveryone has been a virgin!
17:22.36dick_turpinLeeds: Now I know thats not true
17:22.56boudiccashey arkwright, how long till home time
17:23.15boudiccasdon't forget, your coming round for tea
17:23.18dick_turpinboudiccas: Ooh you bugger 4 mins
17:23.35boudiccaslol
17:24.14dick_turpinboudiccas: Not sure if you remember the advert "You can put the dinner on I'll be home in 20 minutes"
17:24.30boudiccasnope
17:24.34boudiccasis it relevant
17:24.42boudiccas;o)
17:24.48dick_turpinboudiccas: Thats because you are so young
17:25.01boudiccasi wish, and in my dreams!
17:25.46dick_turpinboudiccas: I have a text template that I send to the misses "Stick the kettle on I'm just round the corner"
17:25.49boudiccaschick, chick,chick, chicken
17:25.58boudiccaslol
17:26.54dick_turpinThats it I'm outa here, back around 9.20pm (Maybe sooner only takes 15 mins to get home in my Ferrari
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18:43.43morsingGunde!
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18:51.18morsingJasper1!
18:58.36morsing:(
19:00.00jasperwlooks like bt cycles the external ip's of it's adsl lines, either that or this connection is flakey
19:00.25morsingFlukey?
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19:20.54morsingcatalyst!
19:21.01catalystmorsing!
19:23.10morsing:(
19:23.24GundeWhat's wrong, morsing?
19:23.37morsingcatalyst left :(
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20:12.56morsingDick_Turpin?
20:13.11morsingThere's a fly in my coffee
20:14.18Dick_Turpinmorsing, Careful he might drink the lot!
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20:56.22morsinggoibhniu!
21:00.43goibhniumorsing!
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