00:00.01 | z00dax | ok, i dont play that |
00:00.15 | trousers_ | What have you got working? |
00:00.37 | z00dax | I play a bit of Enemy Territory |
00:00.47 | trousers_ | Ah, well that works natively :P |
00:00.53 | z00dax | yup |
00:00.53 | trousers_ | I'm talking Wine/Cedega stuff |
00:00.59 | z00dax | I've also got quake4 going |
00:01.05 | z00dax | and doom3 |
00:01.24 | z00dax | have played a bit of Blitzkreig - but that was about 2 years back, maybe 3 |
01:21.16 | Leeds | time to go to work... |
02:41.31 | trousers_ | Ahhh, school today :( |
02:41.51 | trousers_ | I shouldn't be up this late/early as I know I probably won't stay up the whole day >.< |
02:42.05 | trousers_ | Unless I invest heavily in some chocolate :P |
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02:55.19 | antiphase | Tor is for bummers |
02:55.47 | z00dax | I have work to goto later |
02:56.00 | z00dax | but i cant sleep - i am really ill and coughing my interstines up at the momen |
03:01.04 | rhowe | z00dax: If you're bored, check out my email to Gllug re chip & pin - lots of reading material :) |
03:01.30 | z00dax | not bored really, have a million things that I could be getting on with - one of which is trying to get myself to sleep some |
03:01.35 | z00dax | but i'll look at the email as well |
03:10.31 | trousers_ | Yay, sleepless friends :) |
03:18.58 | gw280 | lalala |
03:21.25 | gw280 | rhowe: ah, the guy who did that tetris hack was talking about it for most of yesterday :) |
04:00.06 | trousers_ | gw280: Which tetris hack? |
04:00.11 | cpufreak | woo |
04:00.15 | cpufreak | what a lovely time to be in the office |
04:00.23 | trousers_ | cpufreak: Ouch :( |
04:01.10 | gw280 | trousers_: tetris on an "unhackable" chip & pin terminal |
04:03.09 | trousers_ | gw280: Hehe *Googles* |
04:03.37 | gw280 | trousers_: the guy who did it did it as a proof-of-concept that chin & pin terminals are shit and a security risk |
04:07.14 | trousers_ | How is the PIN number verified, is it linked to a database of sorts? |
04:07.33 | gw280 | the pin is stored in an encrypted form on the chip |
04:07.43 | trousers_ | Ah, right |
04:08.25 | trousers_ | Considering that there are only 1000 possibilities, scanning the chip and cracking the PIN number surely shouldn't be difficult? |
04:08.38 | trousers_ | If you can figure out what encryption it is |
04:08.54 | gw280 | 1000? |
04:09.00 | gw280 | 9999... |
04:09.09 | trousers_ | Sorry, 10000 |
04:09.09 | gw280 | actually, 10,000 |
04:09.51 | trousers_ | It's still an incredibly small number |
04:10.28 | gw280 | indeed |
04:10.31 | trousers_ | And the encryption algorithm must be located in the machine somewhere |
04:10.39 | gw280 | indeed. |
04:10.53 | gw280 | http://www.chipandspin.co.uk/ |
04:11.23 | trousers_ | Biometrics, to be honest, are far superior if not more expensive |
04:11.52 | cpufreak | not really |
04:11.55 | gw280 | hahahahaha |
04:11.57 | cpufreak | you crack a pin and chip machine |
04:12.05 | cpufreak | and you can steal peoples money |
04:12.32 | cpufreak | you copy finger prints, or create contacts to simulate peoples retinas, and you can steal people's lives. |
04:12.41 | cpufreak | s/contacts/contact lenses/ |
04:12.55 | trousers_ | cpufreak: Sorry, I was under the impression that that was the iris |
04:13.00 | cpufreak | iris, retinas |
04:13.01 | cpufreak | whatever |
04:13.02 | cpufreak | its 4am |
04:13.10 | cpufreak | and yes its easy to crack chip and pin - there was that incident at shell |
04:13.16 | trousers_ | A retina scan must be bloody hard to replicate |
04:13.49 | cpufreak | my advice, is to advoid shopping at dodgy shops with a credit card |
04:14.47 | gw280 | money is evil |
04:14.50 | gw280 | let's revert to communism |
04:15.04 | trousers_ | gw280: Take your left wing ideals somewhere else :) |
04:15.11 | gw280 | Hahahahahahahaha |
04:15.19 | gw280 | that's the first time I've ever been called left wing. |
04:15.38 | trousers_ | Agh, school this morning :S |
04:15.55 | gw280 | lol school |
04:17.00 | trousers_ | You had to go through it all, so sshh |
04:17.18 | gw280 | yeah, but I slept it all away |
04:17.34 | trousers_ | Well, quite the opposite here :) |
04:17.42 | gw280 | it's not as if school is hard |
04:18.03 | gw280 | :P |
04:18.44 | trousers_ | Not particularly |
04:19.22 | trousers_ | Anybody with half a brain could probably do the syllbasses in half the time or less by reading the textbooks |
04:19.44 | gw280 | I reckon you can teach yourself an entire A level in about 2 days |
04:20.23 | gw280 | it took me approx. 6 hours to teach myself the material for A level Statistics |
04:20.36 | trousers_ | Unfortunately, having half a brain isn't common for many sGCSE students |
04:20.43 | trousers_ | s/sG/G/ |
04:21.12 | trousers_ | gw280: How many modules was that? |
04:21.24 | gw280 | 3 |
04:21.27 | gw280 | A2 |
04:21.44 | gw280 | took a similar amount of time for the AS modules too |
04:21.53 | trousers_ | So you're telling me you learnt an A2 module in 2 hours? |
04:21.56 | gw280 | lessons are completely useless |
04:21.58 | gw280 | trousers_: yes |
04:22.06 | trousers_ | I'm skeptic, to be honest |
04:22.14 | gw280 | heh |
04:22.19 | gw280 | it's not hard |
04:22.47 | trousers_ | Although I would assume a lot of statistics can be inferred from maths and further maths |
04:23.10 | trousers_ | But learning something like biology A level in that time seems a lot less likely |
04:23.21 | gw280 | further maths required slightly more time per module |
04:23.28 | gw280 | physics was about 3-4 hours per module |
04:23.40 | gw280 | computing AS took about 1 hour |
04:24.02 | trousers_ | So you learnt the whole syllabus before the end of the first week, and then you did what? :) |
04:24.07 | gw280 | no |
04:24.12 | gw280 | I learnt them the night before the exam |
04:24.23 | gw280 | much easier way of doing things |
04:24.37 | trousers_ | Didn't you begin to panic at all? |
04:24.40 | gw280 | no |
04:25.01 | trousers_ | And isn't that effectively just last minute revision, assuming you attended the lessons? |
04:25.22 | gw280 | we didn't really have lessons for statistics at least |
04:25.33 | gw280 | and I didn't have any lessons for computing at all |
04:25.54 | trousers_ | What did you achieve for computing? |
04:25.54 | gw280 | we had something like 5 or 6 40 minute lessons for stats, and all we ever did was talk :D |
04:25.57 | gw280 | A |
04:26.19 | gw280 | I got the top grade in everything except RS at GCSE and STEP Maths I |
04:26.29 | trousers_ | It seems you're oversimplifying A level, from what I hear from other people --- it's rather hellish |
04:26.35 | gw280 | hahahhaahahahahah |
04:26.48 | gw280 | have you SEEN A-level? |
04:26.54 | trousers_ | To be honest, no |
04:27.00 | gw280 | A level physics is a joke |
04:27.08 | gw280 | as is A level maths |
04:27.16 | gw280 | A level further maths is slightly less of a joke |
04:27.40 | trousers_ | We're doing C1... Extremely slowly, and I seem to be the only one in the class paying attention and answering the questions -_- |
04:27.46 | gw280 | C1? |
04:27.52 | gw280 | our teachers didn't even bother to teach us C1 |
04:28.12 | trousers_ | You all knew differentiation and integration? |
04:28.15 | gw280 | yes |
04:28.24 | gw280 | and it's hardly difficult differentiation and integration |
04:28.31 | gw280 | "woo differentiate 4x^2" |
04:28.41 | gw280 | we had all done additional maths in the GCSE year |
04:28.49 | trousers_ | Ah, fair enough, then |
04:28.52 | gw280 | so we did C3 and C4 mainly in the lower sixth |
04:29.07 | gw280 | admittedly, my lowest module mark for any pure module was in C1 |
04:29.20 | trousers_ | I was under the impression that C1 was the easiest module |
04:29.26 | gw280 | if we don't count the further maths pure modules |
04:29.29 | gw280 | C1 is a joke |
04:29.48 | gw280 | I lost the marks because I couldn't be bothered to learn all that arithmetic progression crap :P |
04:30.06 | trousers_ | Hmm |
04:30.18 | gw280 | to be fair, AS Maths is easier than Additional Maths |
04:30.23 | trousers_ | Why *are* you awake? |
04:30.45 | gw280 | Additional Maths covers most of the stuff in C1, C2 and some stuff in C3, C4, and covers topics from M1, D1.. |
04:30.52 | gw280 | I'm always awake around about now. |
04:31.04 | trousers_ | Have you slept yet? |
04:31.07 | gw280 | no |
04:31.14 | trousers_ | You sleep when? |
04:31.20 | gw280 | 5 or 6 am |
04:31.23 | gw280 | sometimes 8 am |
04:31.25 | trousers_ | Ah, right |
04:31.32 | gw280 | sometimes noon |
04:31.32 | trousers_ | And when you had to attend school? |
04:31.33 | gw280 | depends |
04:31.34 | gw280 | really |
04:31.38 | gw280 | erm |
04:31.50 | gw280 | with school I'd go to bed around 5, get up again for lessons around 9, go back to bed after lunch |
04:31.57 | gw280 | sleep during lessons too |
04:32.06 | gw280 | but that was a while ago |
04:32.13 | trousers_ | Less than a year, no? |
04:32.31 | gw280 | about 8 months |
04:33.11 | trousers_ | Okay, so how did you teach yourself everything, textbook reading again? |
04:33.25 | gw280 | not really |
04:33.34 | gw280 | grab past exam papers, read up on wikipedia |
04:33.34 | trousers_ | How then? |
04:33.47 | gw280 | or just digest the textbook if I could be bothered |
04:33.49 | trousers_ | Hmm, past exam papers don't dictate the future |
04:33.52 | gw280 | so? |
04:34.02 | gw280 | and also trawl through the syllabus |
04:34.07 | gw280 | and read up on everything |
04:34.19 | gw280 | I tended to know stuff to a higher standard than was required for A level because of that anyway |
04:34.20 | trousers_ | Wikipedia is indeed helpful, if not overly helpful |
04:34.40 | gw280 | computing AS I just digested the textbook |
04:34.43 | gw280 | skim read through it |
04:35.26 | gw280 | I found my workload decreased about 10-fold going from GCSEs to AS levels |
04:35.40 | trousers_ | Due to less subjects, mainly? |
04:35.45 | gw280 | yes |
04:35.53 | gw280 | and the fact that AS isn't really much of a step up from GCSE |
04:36.04 | trousers_ | I still don't understand how English GCSE proves anything |
04:36.19 | gw280 | English GCSE was a joke. |
04:36.34 | gw280 | the biggest joke has to be French GCSE though |
04:36.41 | trousers_ | I do German |
04:36.47 | gw280 | the GCSEs I found the most challenging were Classical Greek and Latin |
04:37.02 | trousers_ | I've heard that they are indeed difficult |
04:37.15 | gw280 | mainly because the classics department at my school was crazy and chose all the really hard options for us to do, such as translating Plato from the original greek. |
04:37.45 | gw280 | I got a B in RS because I couldn't be bothered :D |
04:38.20 | gw280 | I feel sorry for you though because when you come to apply to university they might actually know your module marks |
04:38.34 | gw280 | which means you've got to do well in the marks instead of just doing what I did which was to do the bare minimum required to get an A |
04:38.48 | gw280 | although Cambridge did ask me for all my AS module marks |
04:39.03 | gw280 | hrmm.. and my A2 for that matter |
04:39.23 | trousers_ | So you got 9 A*s and one B at GCSE? |
04:39.30 | gw280 | yes |
04:40.01 | trousers_ | Hmm, why the B in RS though, you don't *really* need to know much. I blagged my mock and got an A* |
04:40.16 | gw280 | because I deem RS to be a pointless subject and took the piss in the exam |
04:40.19 | trousers_ | I'm rather irritated that I got a C in my English mock though, due to my writing being "illegible" |
04:40.24 | gw280 | I refuse to acknowledge RS as a serious subject. |
04:40.54 | gw280 | oh yeah, and all my courseworks were graded C or something equally gash |
04:41.23 | trousers_ | Is this courseworks in general? |
04:41.26 | gw280 | no, RS |
04:41.32 | gw280 | I got a B in my computing AS coursework though |
04:41.41 | trousers_ | I assume you didn't do DT :) |
04:41.44 | gw280 | http://gwright.org.uk/coursework.pdf |
04:42.06 | gw280 | self-teaching a massive coursework project and doing it 4 days before it's due in at the exam board is a bad idea. |
04:42.26 | trousers_ | LaTeX :) |
04:42.34 | gw280 | indeed |
04:42.44 | gw280 | word processors are the lose. |
04:42.53 | trousers_ | Sorry, is "Assinging turkeys" serious? |
04:42.56 | gw280 | yes |
04:43.06 | trousers_ | It just seemed rather silly :P |
04:43.09 | gw280 | it was the topic set by the exam board for that year |
04:43.50 | gw280 | I wonder how many other people in the country wrote a full C++ GUI application with an XML configuration backend. |
04:44.00 | gw280 | (yay Qt) |
04:44.46 | trousers_ | I really need to teach myself C++ and the whole object oriented thing |
04:44.53 | gw280 | that coursework's really gash anyway |
04:44.57 | trousers_ | Procedural languages :D |
04:45.17 | gw280 | the app was coded in about 4 hours and I did lots of quick hacks just to get it "out the door" as quickly as possible |
04:45.34 | gw280 | "OH COCK I HAVE A FUCK OFF COURSEWORK TO DO IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS" |
04:46.07 | trousers_ | I see you are a Red Dwarf fan, also :) |
04:46.14 | gw280 | indeed |
04:46.23 | trousers_ | I happen to use Red Dwarf as the naming scheme for my machines :D |
04:46.32 | gw280 | I use the elements. |
04:46.39 | trousers_ | I noticed |
04:46.59 | trousers_ | I might give Qt a go whilst learning C++ |
04:47.04 | gw280 | Qt is so easy |
04:47.14 | gw280 | C++ is nice but I'm starting to get a bit annoyed with it |
04:47.30 | gw280 | it's very easy to fuck yourself over wrt pointers in C/C++ |
04:47.37 | trousers_ | I assume once you get basic concepts, coding is fairly straightforward |
04:47.51 | gw280 | indeed. |
04:47.51 | trousers_ | wrt pointers? |
04:47.55 | gw280 | yes |
04:48.01 | gw280 | if you lose track of pointers all hell breaks loose |
04:48.01 | trousers_ | Pray tell? |
04:48.04 | gw280 | of that's what I've found. |
04:48.05 | trousers_ | Ah, right |
04:48.10 | gw280 | s/of/or |
04:48.32 | gw280 | I'm assuming you know what a pointer is |
04:48.37 | trousers_ | Indeed |
04:48.43 | gw280 | at least you don't have to deal with ML. |
04:48.50 | gw280 | http://gwright.org.uk/foo2.ml |
04:48.52 | gw280 | I coded that yesterday |
04:48.54 | gw280 | it's horrible. |
04:48.55 | trousers_ | ML? Ah. |
04:49.08 | gw280 | bonus points if you can tell me what it does |
04:49.12 | trousers_ | By the way, does your server have no directory structure? :P |
04:49.14 | gw280 | (very badly and inefficiently, I might add) |
04:49.48 | trousers_ | I assume it's some sort of random coin flipper |
04:49.53 | gw280 | er |
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04:51.39 | gw280 | it generates a lazy list of successive lists of the order [], [0], [1], [0,0], [0,1], [1,0], [1,1], [0,0,0], [0,0,1] etc. |
04:51.40 | trousers_ | Hello ibot |
04:51.49 | trousers_ | A lazy list? |
04:51.50 | gw280 | ML is a functional language. |
04:52.04 | gw280 | lazy list = list where each element is computed on demand from the previous element |
04:52.16 | trousers_ | Ah, right |
04:53.52 | gw280 | http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/tripos/y2003p1q5.pdf |
04:53.53 | gw280 | that's the question |
04:53.58 | gw280 | the code does parts d) and e) |
04:55.48 | trousers_ | Fair enouhg |
04:55.54 | trousers_ | s/hg/gh/ |
04:56.08 | gw280 | it's probably an overconvoluted way of doing it |
04:56.11 | gw280 | but I don't care |
04:56.12 | trousers_ | ibot: Where did you go? |
04:56.13 | ibot | to hell and back. Saddam says "hi". |
04:56.18 | trousers_ | Ouch. |
04:56.57 | trousers_ | gw280: I assume the marks are awarded for functional, rather than efficient, code |
04:57.04 | gw280 | trousers_: both. |
04:57.11 | gw280 | trousers_: efficiency is very importnat |
04:57.13 | gw280 | important |
04:57.28 | trousers_ | But how efficient is ML? |
04:57.34 | gw280 | we get marked down if we start to hit exponential complexity |
04:57.41 | gw280 | trousers_: er, that's irrelevant at this point |
04:58.01 | trousers_ | Fine |
04:58.15 | gw280 | trousers_: we're expected to design efficient algorithms. For example, a recursive algorithm which calls itself three times with each sucessive step is obviously crap. |
04:59.00 | gw280 | whereas if you can hit log(n) efficiency you're doing quite well |
04:59.22 | trousers_ | n being what? |
04:59.25 | gw280 | where n = number of steps to perform a task... so, say, if you want to search through a sorted list |
04:59.28 | gw280 | of length n |
04:59.45 | gw280 | then you could either traverse through the list from the beginning until you find the value |
04:59.52 | gw280 | that's n efficiency as it takes a maximum of n steps |
05:00.13 | gw280 | or you can use a binary search which starts at the middle then keeps recursing through successive halves of the list until it finds the item, which is log(n) |
05:01.34 | trousers_ | I assume that works by searching, discarding etc. which can result in time saving? |
05:01.48 | gw280 | it starts at the middle of the list |
05:02.07 | gw280 | if the item to be found is higher than the middle, then it discards the lower half then recurses to the middle of the top half |
05:02.22 | gw280 | and so with each step you're dividing the input data by 2 which means it's log(n) |
05:02.44 | trousers_ | How does it know where the item is unless it searches one whole half? |
05:02.45 | gw280 | that was one of the questions in my interview actually |
05:02.51 | gw280 | one of the only questions I actually aced |
05:02.59 | gw280 | ? |
05:03.06 | gw280 | you take a list of sorted data.. |
05:03.18 | gw280 | you check the middle value... |
05:03.23 | gw280 | compare it to what you're searching for |
05:03.24 | trousers_ | Ah, it's sorted, okay |
05:03.39 | gw280 | yes, I did actually say that :P |
05:03.56 | trousers_ | So you did :( |
05:04.13 | gw280 | it's still quicker to sort the data first and then binary search in a lot of cases than to traverse through the list mindlessly |
05:04.29 | trousers_ | I was getting confused assuming it was sorted randomly :) |
05:04.35 | gw280 | er |
05:04.37 | gw280 | ok. |
05:04.56 | gw280 | http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Teaching/current/FoundsCS/slides.pdf |
05:04.59 | gw280 | it's all covered in there |
05:05.07 | gw280 | in lecture 3 |
05:05.10 | gw280 | O notation |
05:05.18 | trousers_ | Where *do* you pluck all these PDFs from? |
05:05.29 | gw280 | ? |
05:05.36 | gw280 | how do you think I pass exams? |
05:06.10 | trousers_ | I wasn't entirely sure :) |
05:06.57 | gw280 | heh |
05:07.32 | gw280 | next term I've come to the conclusion that I'm going to hijack the CL library |
05:07.39 | trousers_ | CL? |
05:07.42 | gw280 | with a german friend |
05:07.44 | gw280 | computer lab |
05:08.05 | trousers_ | And do what with the library? |
05:08.09 | gw280 | work in it |
05:08.14 | trousers_ | Ah, right |
05:08.16 | gw280 | 2+ hours per day |
05:08.25 | gw280 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_University_Computer_Laboratory |
05:08.35 | gw280 | best. department. ever. |
05:09.15 | trousers_ | Hehe, TRIPOS is an operating system :) |
05:09.20 | gw280 | yes |
05:09.25 | gw280 | "Trivially Portable Operating System" |
05:13.23 | gw280 | the CL is a lovely building :D |
05:13.32 | gw280 | it's also huuuugggeeeee |
05:13.34 | trousers_ | It looks it |
05:13.40 | trousers_ | Is your campus near to it? |
05:13.45 | gw280 | 2 miles |
05:13.46 | gw280 | if that's near |
05:13.49 | gw280 | about 5 minutes on a bike |
05:14.38 | gw280 | btw, on http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Teaching/current/FoundsCS/slides.pdf |
05:14.43 | gw280 | take a look at the table on page 26 |
05:14.55 | gw280 | that demonstrates the need for efficient algorithms, in case you didn't know |
05:16.37 | trousers_ | That looks like LaTeX, too |
05:16.46 | gw280 | it is |
05:16.54 | trousers_ | Hmm funky, cheers |
05:17.53 | gw280 | it basically says "if you have a shit algorithm that's of efficiency 2^n that can do 9 units of processing, then if you increase the computer power by 60x then it can still only do 15 units of data" |
05:19.23 | trousers_ | Yes, I see |
05:20.42 | gw280 | indeed |
05:22.47 | gw280 | hrmm |
05:27.28 | trousers_ | gw280: Do you have any idea how pi is calculated apart from drawing circles? |
05:27.59 | gw280 | yes |
05:28.03 | trousers_ | ... |
05:28.04 | gw280 | using an infinite series |
05:28.14 | trousers_ | Hmm? |
05:28.56 | trousers_ | What infinite series and how? |
05:28.57 | gw280 | pi/4 is something like 1-1/3+1/5-1/7+1/9-... |
05:29.23 | trousers_ | Ah, right |
05:29.38 | trousers_ | I seem to remember seeing that somewhere, actually |
05:29.54 | gw280 | you can prove it using a Taylor series expansion of one of the trig functions iirc |
05:31.25 | trousers_ | To Wikipedia, Batman! |
05:32.02 | trousers_ | I'll read it later :) |
05:32.43 | gw280 | ah yes |
05:32.44 | gw280 | it's a taylor series expansion of arctan about x = 1 |
05:32.53 | gw280 | as arctan(1) = pi/4 |
05:34.14 | gw280 | e is done in much the same way |
05:34.36 | gw280 | in fact, one of my first assignments was to code a function that approximated e |
05:48.58 | trousers_ | Assignments at Cambridge, is this? |
05:49.24 | gw280 | yes |
05:49.44 | gw280 | it was a four or five line function |
05:50.23 | trousers_ | Funky |
05:56.10 | trousers_ | Hmm, it works, I just wrote a little function to approximate pi |
05:56.48 | trousers_ | Well, a little program that can be written as a void function :) |
06:21.50 | trousers_ | But it's rather inefficient |
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09:23.14 | morsing | I'm sad and depressed. Nice :( |
09:26.11 | Leeds | morsing: so, I manage to catch Amanda online last night... only to be told she's hooked up with a guy I met a couple of weeks back... which makes 3 nights in a row seeing someone go off with someone else |
09:26.31 | antiphase | You'll have to go gay |
09:29.53 | *** part/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@n219076246057.netvigator.com) |
09:30.41 | morsing | Nice |
09:30.45 | morsing | Leeds? |
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09:49.17 | morsing | goibhniu! |
09:51.16 | goibhniu | morsing! |
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10:17.57 | morsing | Chris-! |
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10:26.39 | morsing | flips_and_rails! |
10:29.24 | JAV | good morning |
10:31.23 | morsing | JAV! |
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11:00.50 | morsing | phearless! |
11:02.17 | phearless | mor{s|n}ing ! |
11:32.33 | cpufreak | http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/benlovejoy/opinions/globalwarming/ # worth a read, especially if you're a stupid hippy |
11:32.54 | goibhniu | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Morsing |
11:41.00 | goibhniu | cpufreak: chin |
11:42.30 | cpufreak | chin? |
11:45.39 | morsing | How do I find out how much free space is available to exxtend a soft partition? |
11:48.06 | morsing | Hello? |
11:48.57 | SlayerXP | what's a soft partition? |
11:50.11 | cpufreak | does he mean how much space is left in a volume group or something? |
11:50.48 | antiphase | There is plenty of space in his head |
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12:21.52 | dick_turpin | Afternoon all |
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13:10.20 | morsing | goibhniu: Why did you delete the article? |
13:12.06 | goibhniu | :'( Codeine huffed "Morsing" (1.B Not funny for sober people. Read HTBFANJS.) |
13:13.05 | morsing | ibot HTBFANJS |
13:13.12 | morsing | goibhniu: It was funny though :) |
13:13.27 | goibhniu | I even read "How To Be Funny And Not Just Stupid" and I'm not drunk so I must be double stupid |
13:14.15 | goibhniu | I thought it was gonna catch on .. I was designing t-shirts in my mind |
13:15.02 | morsing | Nice |
13:15.29 | goibhniu | morsing: thanks for the support |
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13:21.30 | morsing | mikejw! |
13:21.33 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
13:26.25 | mikejw | hey lo |
13:27.21 | morsing | mikejw: How are you? |
13:28.58 | mikejw | ok thanks |
13:29.26 | mikejw | gradually moving towards stability I think |
13:30.40 | morsing | In what way? |
13:32.09 | mikejw | in terms of eating, sleeping, working etc |
13:33.18 | morsing | Ok |
13:33.53 | mikejw | :) |
13:46.50 | dick_turpin | morsing: |
13:47.09 | morsing | What's up? |
13:47.27 | dick_turpin | Nothing just like saying your name :-) |
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13:49.19 | livingdaylight | hello world |
13:50.04 | morsing | livingdaylight! |
13:50.12 | livingdaylight | hi morsing |
13:50.29 | livingdaylight | just stumbled into gllug |
13:50.35 | morsing | Nice |
13:50.38 | livingdaylight | ^^ |
13:50.48 | morsing | You can leave by the door on the left |
13:50.51 | livingdaylight | wondering when the next event/meetup will be |
13:50.51 | morsing | :) |
13:51.20 | morsing | livingdaylight: I am the channel greeter! |
13:51.32 | livingdaylight | nice |
13:51.52 | livingdaylight | nothing like coming into a channel and finding endless silence |
13:53.12 | livingdaylight | do you know when the next meetup will be? |
13:57.11 | livingdaylight | i don't see anything on the website about this. The last meet was December 7? Anything planned for January/February? |
13:58.37 | morsing | I don't anything else has been planned |
13:58.39 | morsing | Yet |
14:00.47 | livingdaylight | January the month of recovery? |
14:02.06 | livingdaylight | i've just subscribed to mailing list announcing events, so.... |
14:02.24 | morsing | Subscribe to social events as well |
14:02.32 | morsing | goibhniu? |
14:02.40 | morsing | mikejw? |
14:20.06 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Is that some bread of dog? |
14:22.13 | goibhniu | it's more like a chinese version of irish stew so I guess you could add dog to it, but I'm all out |
14:23.08 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I've got a bag of Kittens that was due for the alter if you like? |
14:24.44 | goibhniu | thanks, I'm more of a dog person myself and besides we don't want to anger the gods any more |
14:24.46 | morsing | livingdaylight: Run while you can |
14:25.25 | livingdaylight | morsing, huh? who is chasing? |
14:25.38 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I think the last minion I threw on the fire appeased them, my webser is back up |
14:26.11 | dick_turpin | webserver |
14:26.26 | morsing | livingdaylight: These people are mad |
14:27.31 | livingdaylight | morsing, if you can't beat 'em join them |
14:27.38 | dick_turpin | morsing: The voice in my head said you are a broken machine and must be fixed :-) |
14:29.40 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: |
14:31.30 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: That flier I sent you is going out as we speak |
14:35.08 | wethrin | propan-2-ol |
14:35.58 | morsing | wethrin! |
14:36.08 | goibhniu | can I run xp with qemu straight from it's partition or do I really have to do all that installation shenanigans? |
14:36.19 | wethrin | morsing! |
14:38.28 | dick_turpin | wethrin: :-) |
14:40.17 | wethrin | dick_turpin! |
14:42.20 | dick_turpin | Voodoo curse anyone? made a fresh batch this morning |
14:42.55 | wethrin | I liked Voodoos! |
14:42.58 | wethrin | Pity they don't make them |
14:44.31 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Make what? |
14:45.21 | wethrin | Voodoos! |
14:45.38 | wethrin | 3dfx |
14:45.46 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Lol |
14:48.15 | morsing | dick_turpin: Curse Dan West pleasae |
14:48.19 | morsing | please |
14:48.40 | dick_turpin | morsing: Who is he? Not that I care |
14:49.24 | morsing | My ex-manager from Camelot |
14:49.37 | morsing | He's the reason I had to leave my dream job |
14:50.10 | dick_turpin | morsing: Care to clarify? |
14:50.21 | morsing | Clarify what? |
14:51.19 | dick_turpin | morsing: Why you had to go |
14:52.12 | morsing | He hated me from the second week I was there |
14:52.31 | dick_turpin | morsing: I cant think why :-P |
14:53.16 | antiphase | Likelwise |
14:54.20 | dick_turpin | morsing: I curse Dan West, "May the seed of your loins bear fruit in the womb of your secretary" (I bet his wife will love that?) |
14:57.08 | morsing | dick_turpin: His wife hates him |
14:57.22 | morsing | He threatened her wife a knife once |
14:57.31 | morsing | s/wife/with/ |
14:57.45 | morsing | He's insane |
14:58.41 | *** mode/#gllug [+o morsing] by ChanServ |
14:58.42 | dick_turpin | morsing: Hm this may take some thought then, I'll sit in a star with five black candles and think about it |
15:02.17 | morsing | My colleague just told me I am "random"? |
15:02.24 | wethrin | Aren't you? |
15:02.34 | morsing | Slightly ;-) |
15:03.19 | mikejw | morsing? |
15:04.36 | wethrin | mikejw! |
15:04.43 | wethrin | Got any response from computing societies yet? |
15:05.28 | dick_turpin | morsing: When I get home I'll did out a link to a Blog where this guy is bitching about a company/CEO who stitched him up, you'll like it |
15:07.06 | morsing | hanks |
15:08.07 | wethrin | hankts? |
15:09.06 | morsing | hantks |
15:09.29 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: |
15:12.20 | mikejw | wethrin: I'm afraid not :[ |
15:12.31 | wethrin | Bah to them! |
15:12.37 | mikejw | I have however got an interesting podcast for you to listen to... |
15:12.51 | wethrin | mmm? |
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15:12.53 | mikejw | http://www.mikejw.co.uk/ai-em/hoorayforsex/ |
15:12.59 | wethrin | riiight.... |
15:13.01 | wethrin | LeedsHK! |
15:13.05 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: |
15:13.16 | LeedsHK | hmm... left gaim connected at work |
15:13.18 | mikejw | it's about music |
15:13.21 | LeedsHK | evening all |
15:13.26 | mikejw | supposedely |
15:13.33 | mikejw | LeedsHK: hey duder :D |
15:13.36 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: Twonk |
15:14.10 | LeedsHK | dick_turpin: love you too |
15:14.35 | mikejw | *supposedly |
15:14.57 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: I thought it was me who made silly mistakes? |
15:15.40 | LeedsHK | I'm allowed to make one in a year, I think |
15:15.57 | morsing | LeedsHK! |
15:16.50 | LeedsHK | so I left my laptop closed, and on its back, to let the vents on the bottom breath... this is the laptop which is capable of overheating and shutting down in a cool room with 0% CPU use... |
15:17.04 | wethrin | Too much dust? |
15:17.24 | LeedsHK | come back to find it's still on my bed, with the vents pointing upwards... but the cleaner has made the bed on top of it, so it's nice and warm under a duvet! |
15:17.38 | wethrin | A cleaner? Very posh. |
15:17.48 | mikejw | :D |
15:18.00 | LeedsHK | not as posh as my last place... |
15:18.01 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: Arn't there laws against sleeping with your Laptop in HK? |
15:18.24 | LeedsHK | dick_turpin: no, there are not... /me praises small government |
15:18.54 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: Oor, whatever floats your boat I suppose |
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15:20.54 | LeedsHK | apparently the second life client has been released under the gplv2 |
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15:21.42 | morsing | Provito! |
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15:26.38 | morsing | Jasperw! |
15:27.48 | dick_turpin | morsing: |
15:30.11 | dick_turpin | morsing: I found that blog http://liviudm.wordpress.com/ and you thought you had it bad |
15:30.14 | goibhniu | cheeseburgers? |
15:30.43 | goibhniu | hey LeedsHK .. how's work? |
15:31.07 | LeedsHK | goibhniu: hey... it's good - been messing around on your servers all day :-) |
15:31.24 | goibhniu | mikejw: I will listen ... sometime this week |
15:31.45 | LeedsHK | goibhniu: did notice a directory apparently named after you on the dev server |
15:31.49 | goibhniu | mikejw: you also a marvin suicide fan? |
15:32.48 | goibhniu | LeedsHK: hey you weren't on #oxfam! |
15:33.36 | goibhniu | LeedsHK: which server? oxdev01? |
15:37.49 | mikejw | goibhniu: cool thanks for listening |
15:37.54 | mikejw | marvin suicide? |
15:39.51 | goibhniu | http://www.marvinsuicide.org/ from resonance fm ... plays the cream of freely available (often creative commons) music from the net pipes |
15:42.34 | mikejw | coolio :D |
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15:48.22 | mikejw | some of my friends were guests on a resonance show recently |
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15:53.23 | morsing | tripitaka! |
15:53.40 | tripitaka | Hello morsing |
15:53.52 | morsing | How are you? |
15:54.06 | tripitaka | very well, thank you |
15:54.41 | LeedsHK | goibhniu: didn't know there was an #oxfam :-) and, yeah, I think that was the machine |
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16:01.09 | morsing | Jasper1! |
16:03.20 | goibhniu | LeedsHK: #oxfam is pretty quiet but widely endorsed, e.g. the project managers are quite familiar with it |
16:03.43 | goibhniu | LeedsHK: you may be vaguely interested in http://www.archive.org/details.php?identifier=plone2006-confessions-of-an-ngo |
16:04.47 | LeedsHK | for what it's worth, I don't exist in any particularly concrete form |
16:08.31 | morsing | Nice |
16:14.08 | trousers_ | Afternoon |
16:15.03 | hali | so is anyone going to flag&bell? |
16:15.15 | morsing | I'm not. Is it tonight? |
16:15.21 | morsing | trousers_! |
16:15.25 | hali | tomorrow |
16:15.30 | hali | i think |
16:15.45 | morsing | Can't do tomorrow. Meeting the one and only Paul Rundle |
16:16.09 | hali | i always plan to go to everything then i just forget in the end! |
16:16.11 | hali | so annoying |
16:16.23 | morsing | Typical norwegian people |
16:16.32 | hali | i need a secretary |
16:16.37 | hali | whos norwegian?! |
16:16.42 | morsing | You?! |
16:16.45 | hali | am i? |
16:16.46 | hali | nooo |
16:16.47 | hali | im Swedish |
16:16.52 | morsing | Same thing |
16:16.55 | hali | bastard |
16:17.01 | morsing | :) |
16:17.06 | hali | they have oil and are rude... we are nice but don't have oil |
16:17.14 | hali | give and take |
16:17.20 | LeedsHK | bra |
16:17.33 | morsing | Mmm... Bra |
16:33.42 | hali | mycket bra |
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17:07.53 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: |
17:11.52 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; yea verily :o) |
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17:12.17 | LeedsHK | how zen |
17:12.46 | boudiccas | was it something i said :)))) |
17:13.06 | LeedsHK | guess he doesn't like people agreeing with nothing he said |
17:13.50 | boudiccas | lol |
17:20.39 | hali | anyone good with java and heap tuning? like a way to tune eden and the survivor spaces? |
17:21.10 | LeedsHK | hali: talk Swedish... would make more sense to me than that question :-) |
17:21.18 | LeedsHK | well, the second part, anyway |
17:23.04 | hali | :) |
17:23.12 | hali | java and memory is _weird_ |
17:23.21 | hali | like new generation, young generation and old generation heap space |
17:23.32 | LeedsHK | sounds like the old DOS memory problems |
17:23.48 | hali | then each space has "sub spaces" ... eden is where things should be (hence the name) and if it's pushed out it goes it to survivor space 1 and 2... *sigh* |
17:24.18 | hali | trying to tune this annoying weblogic problem i have |
17:24.49 | LeedsHK | oh that... haven't looked at that since I had to demo the Linux version running on Solaris |
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17:37.19 | tripitaka | hmm. anyone here tried running msn messenger through squid? |
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17:54.01 | morsing | Jasperw! |
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18:11.06 | morsing | Can anyone play this? |
18:11.07 | morsing | http://www.morsing.cc/photos/Kings_Langley_Carnival_Parade/movies/DSCF1082.AVI |
18:15.36 | goibhniu | morsing: sure |
18:15.44 | morsing | No codec error? |
18:15.49 | morsing | Strange |
18:16.35 | goibhniu | nope, you wanna see what mplayer says about it? |
18:18.04 | goibhniu | well it just says it's an avi really |
18:18.12 | morsing | It should be... |
18:18.19 | goibhniu | <PROTECTED> |
18:18.41 | goibhniu | Selected audio codec: [pcm] afm: pcm (Uncompressed PCM) |
18:18.47 | morsing | Windows media player can't play it but I have 8 other movies taken on the same camera at the same time (day) |
18:18.51 | morsing | And they work fine |
18:19.20 | goibhniu | tbh it's a little boring |
18:19.24 | goibhniu | :D |
18:19.32 | morsing | Uhmm... Thanks |
18:19.40 | goibhniu | shiney though! |
18:19.40 | morsing | IT was fun though |
18:19.45 | morsing | Shiney? |
18:20.18 | goibhniu | yeah, all that sunshine bouncing off those polished cars |
18:20.30 | morsing | :) |
18:21.49 | goibhniu | vlc would probably play it on windows |
18:22.21 | morsing | I just installed MPlayer on windows and it works |
18:22.23 | morsing | Weird |
18:23.06 | goibhniu | well, hardly that weird .. it is windows media player we're talking about here |
18:23.15 | morsing | :) |
18:27.12 | trousers_ | Hmm, that's strange, after a long awaited reboot, my wifi module doesn't work any more :( |
18:27.46 | morsing | Nice |
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18:39.32 | morsing | IAmAI! |
18:39.57 | IAmAI | morsing! |
18:40.02 | morsing | How do I ask cal when easter is? |
18:40.53 | IAmAI | Dunno. |
18:41.02 | LeedsHK | rtfm |
18:41.21 | morsing | LeedsHK: You're the manual |
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18:46.12 | morsing | F****** it's ncal, not cal! |
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18:58.42 | secretlondon | hi |
19:00.37 | goibhniu | hey secretlondon! |
19:00.53 | goibhniu | LeedsHK: that's interesting about the gpl second life viewer |
19:01.58 | secretlondon | there a gpl one? last time i looked it was a binary only linux client.. |
19:02.14 | goibhniu | what would be nice though is a bridge to other virtual worlds, like croquet |
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19:03.01 | goibhniu | secretlondon: as of today I believe |
19:03.51 | goibhniu | last I heard their linux client could only be used in their sandbox type testing world |
19:04.46 | secretlondon | ah - so only on preview |
19:04.55 | secretlondon | its cool if they have gpled it |
19:06.37 | goibhniu | yeah, no messing around with silly licences |
19:10.11 | goibhniu | still, if the internet was owned by mozilla.org ... just having the open source client wouldn't really cut the mustard |
19:10.17 | secretlondon | well they'd previously had everything closerd source and a massive binary including all the libs |
19:10.38 | goibhniu | but it's good marketing for gpl |
19:10.51 | secretlondon | it still updates too frequently to package the thing tho - like every 2 weeks there is a new client |
19:11.02 | secretlondon | the windows client is also gpled? |
19:11.14 | goibhniu | I guess |
19:11.36 | eyore | will it be GPL that can be locked up with DRM edition or GPLv3 :) |
19:12.11 | goibhniu | well since gpl3 isn't out yet it isn't being used by anyone afaik |
19:12.26 | secretlondon | hmm - my evil plan to set the default web browser on the net cafe to firefox seems to have stuck on this machine ;) |
19:12.35 | eyore | I know, i'm bored and was tryign to see if i could trigger an argument :) |
19:13.16 | goibhniu | eyore: but the gpl3 is the bomb and you're stupid so there |
19:13.23 | eyore | ta |
19:13.30 | goibhniu | the hurd forever! |
19:13.51 | secretlondon | beastie! |
19:14.09 | eyore | long live VMS |
19:15.10 | wethrin | secretlondon! |
19:16.32 | secretlondon | wethrin! |
19:16.52 | wethrin | What evenings are you generally busy? |
19:17.20 | secretlondon | wethrin: tues and thurs are college days |
19:17.52 | wethrin | Right. Still fancy doing a server move? morsing should be around to move his server at the same time |
19:19.05 | secretlondon | wethrin: yes, thats fine |
19:19.11 | wethrin | Hurrah! |
19:20.34 | morsing | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6235751.stm |
19:20.37 | morsing | Rubbish |
19:21.08 | wethrin | Thinking of morsing.... |
19:22.35 | morsing | Huh? |
19:22.49 | wethrin | server moves! |
19:23.22 | morsing | Oh yes |
19:23.37 | morsing | Are the buildings far apart? |
19:23.59 | morsing | I was thinking of driving there... |
19:24.23 | morsing | wethrin: Are you arranging with BlueLinux and Exonetric? |
19:25.18 | wethrin | They're in the same vague area |
19:25.56 | wethrin | Umm.....I think it might be better if you arrange the server removals, given you're actually going to be there |
19:26.18 | wethrin | I'll let Bluelinux know I still want their colo, and someone else will be bringing my machine |
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19:27.17 | morsing | clive-h! |
19:27.26 | morsing | clive-h: Nice to see you today |
19:27.26 | clive-h | hi there morsing |
19:27.30 | clive-h | and you |
19:27.43 | morsing | clive-h: That's unusual |
19:27.57 | morsing | Someone thinking it's nice to see me here... |
19:28.32 | clive-h | is it, why so? |
19:28.37 | wethrin | It's always nice to see you, morsing! |
19:28.47 | wethrin | better in the pub than on computer, though |
19:35.17 | morsing | wethrin: Oh thanks :') I'm crying now :) |
19:35.31 | wethrin | Why doesn't my NAT work? |
19:35.37 | morsing | Check it! |
19:35.49 | wethrin | I did. Can't see why not! |
19:36.04 | wethrin | It was working when I turned the firewall off! |
19:41.51 | goibhniu | mikejw: funny podcast! nice one! |
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19:42.55 | goibhniu | uh oh! |
19:43.17 | morsing | Dick_Turpin! |
19:43.28 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, I'm doing two curses for the price of one |
19:43.48 | Dick_Turpin | morsing, baby |
19:44.38 | goibhniu | oh cool .. can you please curse that evil person for wethrin again and erm ... some random mac user |
19:45.23 | morsing | TwoSheds' a random mac userr |
19:45.26 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, You hate Mac? I've only ever messed with one at PC World |
19:45.54 | goibhniu | yes TwoSheds .. he'll do fine |
19:46.14 | secretlondon | goibhniu: http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/valleywag/linden-labs-to-open-source-second-life-software-226981.php |
19:46.15 | Dick_Turpin | morsing, Is TwoSheds on this channel? |
19:46.36 | goibhniu | Dick_Turpin: hate is a strong word ... I wouldn't use it lightly ... yes I hate mac |
19:46.41 | secretlondon | theres a catch of course - they decide which community additions to accept into the client |
19:46.53 | secretlondon | so we're just doing free dev for them |
19:46.55 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, Why? |
19:47.19 | goibhniu | secretlondon: isn't that the way it always works? surely it can always be forked? |
19:47.54 | goibhniu | Dick_Turpin: because I've seen it take the souls of 3 members of my family |
19:48.27 | secretlondon | goibhniu: but they have the server grid - they haven't released that side of it |
19:48.47 | secretlondon | i guess someone could reverse engineer it and set up a home brew grid |
19:49.21 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, By the power undubanigoo I curse Mac with $%£**" !! |
19:49.52 | goibhniu | Dick_Turpin: they're zombies ... really, brain eating, walking dead zombies .. they focus all their attention on white things and words that begin with i |
19:50.25 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, "Its a Zombie and you cant kill a Zombie" :-) |
19:50.45 | goibhniu | secretlondon: yeah, that's the catch alright |
19:51.13 | andrew__ | hi there |
19:51.20 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, My daughters have iPods are they lost? |
19:51.39 | goibhniu | Dick_Turpin: I'm sorry to hear that |
19:52.18 | goibhniu | perhaps if you kill the head zombie ... sometimes that works but it's no guarantee |
19:53.08 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, Zombies are good for us Voodoo guys they can deliver all sorts of nasties |
19:53.29 | wethrin | I like Macs! |
19:53.39 | clive-h | i like macs |
19:53.47 | goibhniu | it's true ... I was just wondering if cursing zombies might actually make them more powerful |
19:53.58 | goibhniu | eeks! |
19:54.01 | wethrin | A Mac's my primary machine |
19:54.10 | goibhniu | they're popping up all over the place now! |
19:54.20 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, :-) |
19:55.47 | clive-h | i do that too sometimes using vmware |
19:56.11 | Dick_Turpin | I only use VMware its so cool |
19:56.25 | goibhniu | it's difficult though, in some ways windows is a more open platform because you can choose your own hardware ... yet mac steal whatever they can from floss and put some polish on it so everyone thinks it's cool like linux |
19:56.31 | clive-h | on my new pc i'll use linux kvm |
19:56.57 | Dick_Turpin | clive-h, Thats the new vm int it? |
19:57.04 | clive-h | yeah |
19:57.17 | clive-h | new pc is amd atheron 64 x2 |
19:57.27 | clive-h | should work well with it |
19:57.58 | Dick_Turpin | I've tried to get xen (is it?) working on this SuSE box but it all went horribly wrong |
19:58.30 | clive-h | i use xen under fedora/centos happily enough |
19:58.39 | Dick_Turpin | I know where I am with VMware and I have VM-Server which was free |
19:58.46 | clive-h | tried openvz too |
19:59.24 | clive-h | yeah server is good for free software |
19:59.55 | Dick_Turpin | TBH theres V little differance from workstation |
20:00.09 | clive-h | not something i'd want on an actual server though |
20:00.18 | clive-h | which is why i like xen |
20:01.41 | Dick_Turpin | Father Ted (Ted Haeger) showed me it running on SLED but he had a GUI management which I could'nt find so was stuck with manual config |
20:02.09 | Dick_Turpin | And I don't have the skill |
20:02.14 | clive-h | yeah i just do manual config |
20:02.22 | clive-h | i had to learn it |
20:03.11 | Dick_Turpin | I started a Howto off the net for getting w2k running but it was a bit out of my league |
20:03.37 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, I still love you :-) |
20:03.48 | clive-h | Hmmm you need virtualisation intel-vt or amd-v for that |
20:04.12 | clive-h | Only my new box has virtualisation |
20:04.23 | Dick_Turpin | Aarghh my eyes have glazed over and a nose bleed started |
20:04.54 | clive-h | you can't run windows under old cpus using xen |
20:07.22 | Dick_Turpin | Actually I'm slightly fibbing I installed Win ME on this Linux host just to see if Age of Empires would work, it didn't that game is the only reason I boot into Windows |
20:07.46 | clive-h | heh |
20:08.03 | clive-h | i use windows to connect to work's vpn |
20:08.35 | Dick_Turpin | Is that XP's client thingy? |
20:09.01 | clive-h | nah it's another one: forticlient |
20:09.32 | Dick_Turpin | Don't know it, did you know PCanywhere supports SuSE? |
20:10.14 | antiphase | Additionally, PCanywhere is teh gay |
20:10.20 | antiphase | rdesktop 4tw |
20:10.40 | Dick_Turpin | antiphase, More to the point its crap |
20:12.06 | morsing | Nice |
20:13.11 | clive-h | i like rdesktop |
20:13.55 | Dick_Turpin | I only use ssh for my CentOS webserver |
20:14.17 | clive-h | i use ssh for linux boxes |
20:15.21 | Dick_Turpin | My father runs XP Pro (V Badly) so I'm reduced to using PCanywhere when he snots it up |
20:15.52 | clive-h | the windows is to access work's windows servers |
20:16.08 | clive-h | but anyway that's just for one more month |
20:16.29 | clive-h | and then i just need to find a new job |
20:17.49 | Dick_Turpin | Don't ask me for help, I helped failure with his CV and he dissapeared off the face of the earth |
20:18.01 | clive-h | heh |
20:18.38 | clive-h | my cv is okay just need to update it and put it on jobsite again |
20:18.52 | Dick_Turpin | morsing, Did you read that blog? |
20:20.22 | morsing | No |
20:20.28 | morsing | Blogs are for geeks |
20:21.53 | secretlondon | my entire social life is organised through live journal (with the exception of the linux bits organised through email and irc) |
20:21.58 | Dick_Turpin | morsing, But you'd have liked it he got shafted too |
20:24.56 | antiphase | o_O |
20:25.11 | Dick_Turpin | See you all tomorrow TTFN |
20:26.38 | morsing | THE TOMATO! |
20:26.47 | morsing | Oh god, it's back... |
20:28.05 | clive-h | ? |
20:35.48 | morsing | clive-h: The Ragu add |
20:36.11 | antiphase | Whensa your Ragu day? |
20:36.22 | morsing | Mooo |
20:37.33 | clive-h | heh |
20:42.55 | morsing | clive-h: You coming to Snowdon? |
20:43.08 | secretlondon | bah 10 mins to go |
20:43.28 | morsing | secretlondon: Are you? |
20:43.28 | clive-h | snowdon? |
20:43.54 | wethrin | It was the only suggestion for a Gllug walking trip |
20:43.59 | morsing | :) |
20:44.03 | clive-h | ahhh |
20:44.09 | morsing | wethrin: I'm happy with the Chilterns |
20:44.14 | clive-h | as in snowdonia? |
20:44.20 | wethrin | yarr |
20:44.28 | wethrin | morsing: Yes, but sometime it's nice to go a bit higher |
20:44.47 | morsing | Well, some people seem to believe we should start a bit closer to home |
20:44.59 | wethrin | who? |
20:45.01 | clive-h | havinf badly burned my foot in 2004 i can barely walk these days |
20:45.06 | wethrin | ow :-/ |
20:46.07 | morsing | ( |
20:46.09 | morsing | :( |
20:46.23 | clive-h | so count me out |
20:46.46 | secretlondon | i'm happy with primrose hill ;) |
20:46.55 | secretlondon | how are we going to get to snowdonia? |
20:47.00 | morsing | Drive? |
20:47.01 | wethrin | Bah! The lot of you! :) |
20:47.04 | wethrin | Drive / train |
20:47.13 | morsing | Big Red! |
20:47.26 | wethrin | VROOOOM |
20:48.17 | secretlondon | well someone will have to give me a life then |
20:48.23 | secretlondon | as i'm very skint |
20:48.37 | morsing | What do you need a life for? |
20:48.58 | morsing | secretlondon: I can give you a lift but I might want you to sign something |
20:49.14 | morsing | Since my car has no seatbelts |
20:49.50 | morsing | Beer |
20:49.55 | wethrin | Yes! |
20:49.58 | wethrin | later! |
20:50.14 | morsing | I have a feeling secretlondon got kicked out... |
20:50.52 | secretlondon | not yet |
20:50.54 | secretlondon | 2 mins |
20:50.56 | morsing | :) |
20:50.56 | secretlondon | so now really |
20:51.11 | secretlondon | i meant lift of course |
20:51.15 | morsing | :) |
20:51.17 | secretlondon | anyway - must go now |
20:51.29 | morsing | Bye |
21:10.46 | morsing | Did everyone leave with secretlondon?? |
21:11.08 | boudiccas | no |
21:13.18 | morsing | :) |
21:13.23 | morsing | You've been quiet |
21:14.19 | clive-h | heh |
21:18.15 | morsing | clive-h: So what do you do? Work, student? Something else? |
21:18.33 | clive-h | contractor |
21:18.44 | clive-h | at the end of my contract |
21:19.06 | clive-h | i'm a linux/solaris systems administrator |
21:19.24 | morsing | 'k |
21:21.57 | boudiccas | yes, its my turn to be quiet :o) |
21:22.16 | clive-h | heh |
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22:02.59 | Nermal | lo lo |
22:05.54 | hali | 'elo |
22:06.49 | Nermal | moving to london this week |
22:07.00 | Nermal | so likely to switch over from south wales lug to the gllug |
22:09.34 | murb | do you have your south wales exit visa? |
22:11.01 | Nermal | it's free to get out |
22:11.07 | Nermal | you have to pay to get in for some reason :| |
22:11.28 | murb | hehe |
22:11.33 | murb | only if you cross the bridge. |
22:13.21 | clive-h | the rubicon? |
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