| 00:00.26 | z00dax | and you dont expect things to have changed since ? |
| 00:00.59 | adminjs | maybe |
| 00:01.02 | z00dax | s/changed/improved/ |
| 00:01.43 | adminjs | but when you are used to an open system like linux |
| 00:02.04 | adminjs | the nokia is not an option |
| 00:05.26 | adminjs | has anyone seen the prices to surf at nero wireless? |
| 00:06.15 | adminjs | 5 quid per hour -- that's crazy |
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| 00:24.43 | adminjs | coffe nero anyone? |
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| 00:42.06 | adminjs | so i'm now in my bed good n8! |
| 00:47.23 | Leeds | ibot change 1 gbp to aud |
| 00:48.57 | hali | z00dax: must say i like giddeons centos5 artwork... pretty sleak and straight forward |
| 01:17.58 | z00dax | hali: which one - he has done 4 |
| 01:29.09 | hali | z00dax: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork and especially the second one, "line art" |
| 01:29.39 | z00dax | yeah that does look nice. I also like the one that Brian has done |
| 01:29.45 | z00dax | but the blue needs to tone down a bit |
| 01:30.05 | hali | yeah, that will look to dark on old lcd's |
| 02:30.58 | z00dax | ok, so any -devel type people arond / |
| 02:31.01 | z00dax | around! |
| 02:45.14 | Leeds | gronda gronda |
| 02:45.47 | z00dax | Leeds: knowmuch perl ? |
| 02:45.55 | Leeds | nope |
| 02:46.06 | Leeds | know plenty of python, C, shell... |
| 02:48.22 | z00dax | aha! |
| 02:50.38 | z00dax | http://pastebin.ca/314842 |
| 02:50.43 | z00dax | w.t.f is going on here ? |
| 02:51.42 | Leeds | error: 'PAGE_SIZE' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 02:51.56 | z00dax | http://pastebin.ca/314843 |
| 02:52.13 | z00dax | specially when that works ( new post, which is i686 build ) - the first one was x86_64 |
| 02:52.21 | z00dax | the buildroots are _identical_ |
| 02:53.24 | Leeds | they're not building the same thing |
| 02:53.53 | z00dax | urr ? |
| 02:54.29 | z00dax | humm |
| 02:55.09 | Leeds | the second one isn't attempting to build vbetool or radeontool |
| 02:56.18 | z00dax | it also seems the x86_64 makes are being run before the ./configure is done - or is configure doing it for the deps |
| 02:56.33 | z00dax | 90. Making all in x86emu |
| 02:56.35 | Leeds | pm-utils appears to have an older vbetool source tree contained within it (0.4) than the one you're trying to build (0.5.1) |
| 02:56.50 | Leeds | you know my feelings towards automated build and packaging systems, right? :-) |
| 02:57.51 | z00dax | yes |
| 02:58.05 | z00dax | but i dont think its that whats the issue - it looks like Makefile and automake madness |
| 02:58.33 | Leeds | that stuff can get messy as well, yes |
| 02:59.03 | z00dax | the whole point of having rpms is so that the build is reproduceable and across platforms |
| 02:59.19 | z00dax | why would it do something on x86_64 and something else on i386, is beyond me. |
| 02:59.34 | z00dax | anyway, looks like i get to play with configure and makefiles for a bit. thanks for spotting that |
| 02:59.48 | Leeds | pleasure - always happy to (not) help... |
| 03:03.24 | z00dax | actually.. |
| 03:17.15 | z00dax | where is that PAGE_SIZE defined anyway, should be in the kernele-devel |
| 03:17.21 | z00dax | kernel-devel |
| 03:19.11 | Leeds | sounds like it |
| 03:19.48 | z00dax | and since its trying to build in86emu ( whatever that might be ) - it prolly needs kernel-devel.i686 |
| 03:20.28 | Leeds | sounds like it |
| 03:20.40 | z00dax | :( |
| 03:20.58 | Leeds | vbetool runs in 8086 mode, because it talks directly to the kernel |
| 03:20.59 | z00dax | immna need a chroot for this, am not corrupting my x86_64 root with 32bit garbage |
| 03:21.05 | Leeds | uh, talks directly to the *BIOS* |
| 03:21.07 | z00dax | kernel or hware |
| 03:21.09 | z00dax | right |
| 03:21.13 | Leeds | albeit the VGA BIOS |
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| 07:31.09 | morsing | Puss1nB00ts! |
| 07:33.34 | morsing | ping Leeds |
| 07:39.04 | Leeds | showering, packing... |
| 07:39.23 | morsing | Is our session still open? |
| 07:40.09 | Leeds | yes |
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| 07:56.51 | morsing | antiphase! |
| 08:18.05 | Leeds | ah-ha - found my .au->.uk/.hk power adapter |
| 08:44.17 | *** mode/#gllug [+o Leeds] by ChanServ |
| 08:44.50 | Leeds | oops, wrong channel |
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| 08:48.06 | Leeds | my usual question... what have I forgotten to pack? |
| 09:09.18 | morsing | Beer |
| 09:11.09 | Leeds | not taking beer... buying whiskey at the airport |
| 09:27.27 | morsing | Nice |
| 09:44.33 | morsing | Enjoy |
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| 10:00.39 | morsing | lonnb! |
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| 10:02.07 | adminjs | morning |
| 10:02.23 | lonnb | morning |
| 10:08.36 | wethrin | morning |
| 10:28.32 | lonnb | when is the next gllug meeting? |
| 10:31.27 | wethrin | No idea yet |
| 10:33.54 | lonnb | ok |
| 10:48.55 | trousers_ | Morning |
| 10:49.42 | trousers_ | ibot seen mozrat |
| 10:50.16 | ibot | mozrat <i=mozrat@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 3d 19h 14m 20s ago, saying: 'not too shabby thanks'. |
| 10:52.57 | morsing | trousers_! |
| 10:53.02 | morsing | How's life? |
| 11:00.18 | trousers_ | morsing: Fine thanks, oh great operator :) |
| 11:02.58 | trousers_ | And you? |
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| 11:21.49 | Leeds | that's nice... HK airport now has free wifi throughout the entire place |
| 11:46.09 | murb | as does VIE |
| 11:47.18 | morsing | Nice |
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| 12:12.14 | LeedsTreo | morsing: should I watch the last king of scotland? |
| 12:13.06 | morsing | LeedsTreo: It was good |
| 12:13.14 | morsing | Is that allowed |
| 12:13.27 | LeedsTreo | it's on on demand... |
| 12:13.38 | LeedsTreo | yeah, we're still boarding |
| 12:13.43 | morsing | Nice |
| 12:13.49 | morsing | Yes - it was good |
| 12:13.59 | LeedsTreo | it's that or Borat :-) |
| 12:14.09 | morsing | DO NOT WATCH BORAT! |
| 12:14.23 | LeedsTreo | why not? |
| 12:14.37 | LeedsTreo | I'm going to watch it sooner or later - I've got to! |
| 12:15.00 | morsing | It's stupid |
| 12:15.03 | morsing | He's stupid |
| 12:15.16 | LeedsTreo | he's an old aquaintance of mine... |
| 12:15.37 | morsing | He's still an idiot |
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| 12:15.45 | morsing | mklvcopy -s s fslv00 2 |
| 12:15.50 | morsing | syncvg -l fslv00 |
| 12:15.56 | murb | rm -rf morsing |
| 12:15.58 | LeedsTreo | incidentally... the arab/muslim type gentleman in front of me in the queue was stopped for a 'random' security check... |
| 12:16.36 | murb | LeedsTreo: well the trick is to not look arab /muslim like if you want to avoid random security checks |
| 12:16.46 | murb | and hijackaircraft or wahtever |
| 12:17.45 | LeedsTreo | hmm... cute blonde next to me :-) |
| 12:18.06 | murb | where are you flying to? |
| 12:18.07 | murb | the uk? |
| 12:18.34 | LeedsTreo | Sydney... partly for fun, partly for linux.conf.au |
| 12:19.20 | murb | well i supp;ose if you are halfway there already. |
| 12:20.03 | LeedsTreo | indeed |
| 12:20.04 | LeedsTreo | offline time... have a good weekend, all |
| 12:20.04 | morsing | Enjoy |
| 12:20.05 | murb | have fun in .au |
| 12:20.05 | LeedsTreo | willdo |
| 12:20.05 | murb | and don't drink the beer! |
| 12:35.47 | gw280 | I have returned to the motherland. |
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| 12:46.32 | morsing | gw280: You mean your mothership? |
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| 13:24.18 | morsing | Jasperw! |
| 13:32.31 | trousers_ | gw280: What motherland is this? Russia? |
| 13:32.52 | gw280 | no |
| 13:32.53 | gw280 | Cambridge. |
| 14:03.15 | morsing | Hello? |
| 14:11.47 | trousers_ | Howdy morsing |
| 15:08.15 | morsing | Check it! |
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| 16:22.49 | morsing | eyore! |
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| 16:50.40 | goibhniu | morsing! |
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| 17:06.16 | morsing | goibhniu! |
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| 17:47.15 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 17:47.26 | morsing | catalyst: Can I have some bags please? |
| 17:47.27 | catalyst | morsing! |
| 17:48.01 | catalyst | plastic? xD |
| 17:48.09 | morsing | Yes please |
| 17:49.02 | catalyst | we have hundreds of those |
| 17:49.14 | morsing | Good |
| 18:09.22 | morsing | catalyst: Just went out and bought some |
| 18:09.42 | catalyst | good good |
| 18:11.00 | morsing | They're really nice |
| 18:12.44 | catalyst | good good |
| 18:13.08 | morsing | Clear so you can see what's in them... |
| 18:15.58 | catalyst | good good |
| 18:16.05 | catalyst | why do you need such bags? food? :) |
| 18:16.29 | morsing | Food - yes |
| 18:16.37 | morsing | They're good for food |
| 18:16.44 | morsing | God I'm bored and lonely |
| 18:16.53 | morsing | Can I go to bed now? |
| 18:18.19 | catalyst | if you want! |
| 18:18.25 | morsing | Nice... |
| 18:20.12 | morsing | catalyst: Oh god, don't you start that... |
| 18:20.34 | morsing | I had a long arguement last summer with two friends after they suggested that |
| 18:20.37 | gw280 | meh, just spent 3 hours in the library |
| 18:21.33 | catalyst | okay, I'll retract it :) |
| 18:21.38 | morsing | Thanks... |
| 18:31.18 | goibhniu | morsing: were you afraid you'd eat it? |
| 18:32.40 | goibhniu | I saw an episode of "the_source" yesterday ... scary ... but a very useful video editing tutorial |
| 18:32.50 | goibhniu | http://www.thesourceshow.org/ |
| 18:33.47 | goibhniu | I commend their efforts, and the editing is pretty flashy ... but the presentation is painful to watch unfortunately |
| 18:36.44 | goibhniu | morsing: cats are shite companions anyway ... pigs rock |
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| 19:14.19 | morsing | boudiccas! |
| 19:17.54 | boudiccas | morsing; |
| 19:29.16 | gw280 | I love Cambridge I love Cambridge I love Cambridge |
| 19:29.28 | murb | but cambridge hates you? |
| 19:29.34 | gw280 | nah |
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| 20:07.12 | mikejw | helloo |
| 20:12.11 | goibhniu | hey mikejw what's down? |
| 20:15.05 | mikejw | just chillin |
| 20:15.09 | mikejw | how are you? |
| 20:15.33 | goibhniu | good good ... just youtubing a bit, and contemplating an arch install |
| 20:16.09 | mikejw | oh coolio |
| 20:16.41 | mikejw | I haven't tried that out yet |
| 20:16.53 | goibhniu | I did once and it was very impressive |
| 20:17.01 | goibhniu | until I went to upgrade |
| 20:17.13 | goibhniu | the install is very fast and easy |
| 20:17.58 | mikejw | is it text based? |
| 20:18.04 | goibhniu | there's a new release on the way and it sounds like they've the upgrade issue fixed |
| 20:18.10 | goibhniu | ncurses I believe |
| 20:18.18 | mikejw | righty |
| 20:18.26 | goibhniu | you're up and running in 20 mins or so |
| 20:18.46 | goibhniu | although their servers are pretty slow, so installing gnome takes a fair while after that |
| 20:19.18 | mikejw | my favourite installer is still the slackwae one :) |
| 20:19.34 | goibhniu | I want something zippy to use for video editing, and I've a nice laptop whose screen has died so I'm thinking I can use that |
| 20:19.41 | goibhniu | I've never tried slackware |
| 20:19.50 | goibhniu | maybe that's the one to try |
| 20:20.03 | mikejw | I think arch linux might be based on it |
| 20:20.04 | goibhniu | I was caught between gentoo and arch |
| 20:20.35 | goibhniu | slack is all vanilla isn't it ... I think arch do some funky stuff to the packages .. could be wrong though |
| 20:20.55 | goibhniu | the pacman package manager is arch specific iirc |
| 20:22.14 | goibhniu | I do like the sound of slackware a bit, but it sounds a bit scary too |
| 20:22.29 | goibhniu | it's not tied to a particular package manager, right? |
| 20:22.47 | mikejw | I guess it depends what you're going to throw at it after the install :) |
| 20:23.49 | mikejw | slackware does have it's own package type |
| 20:24.07 | goibhniu | cinelerra is the main thing, and that has a nice big set of dependencies that wouldn't be fun to work out |
| 20:24.17 | mikejw | hmm |
| 20:27.22 | mikejw | that's what make is for? |
| 20:27.27 | mikejw | :) |
| 20:28.22 | goibhniu | hey were you asking about pdas yesterday? |
| 20:28.26 | goibhniu | I've got a zaurus |
| 20:28.44 | goibhniu | just looking at screenshots of enlightenment on an hx4700 |
| 20:28.51 | goibhniu | ftp://gentoo.ru/hx4700/screenshots/X/ |
| 20:29.07 | mikejw | I don't think that was me |
| 20:29.12 | goibhniu | oh! sorry |
| 20:29.22 | mikejw | interesting none the less :D |
| 21:16.42 | antiphase | I used Slackware until it became apparent that it's pointless putting yourself through so much pain doing something any other distro has a package manager for |
| 21:16.51 | antiphase | It's just not worth it any more |
| 21:16.57 | antiphase | it not being 1995 |
| 21:28.10 | goibhniu | antiphase: debian? |
| 21:32.15 | antiphase | Preferable |
| 22:08.28 | trousers_ | Evening all |
| 22:13.46 | antiphase | Chamone |
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| 23:04.53 | JAV | hello |