| 01:29.48 | wethrin | hello |
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| 01:31.26 | psnl | hello wethrin |
| 01:31.32 | psnl | rack moved? |
| 01:33.07 | wethrin | psnl: Yarr, and part-filled |
| 01:33.27 | psnl | good good |
| 01:33.57 | wethrin | Took a bit of puff to get it up the stairs |
| 01:34.17 | wethrin | And at one point it landed on my leg, so it's now a bit painful to put too much weight on it |
| 01:34.20 | psnl | yeah |
| 01:34.27 | psnl | s/ye/h/ |
| 01:34.34 | wethrin | :) |
| 01:34.51 | psnl | do you have a buise the size of russia and the shape of poland? |
| 01:35.04 | wethrin | No. |
| 01:35.11 | psnl | doing good then |
| 01:35.29 | psnl | I might go to bed |
| 01:36.22 | wethrin | Although the Ultra60 is mostly refusing to be racked properly :) |
| 01:36.39 | wethrin | And I had a little bit of trouble with your Alpha - I had to turn a shelf upside down |
| 01:36.47 | psnl | weird |
| 01:38.15 | wethrin | Not really - it's just a bit too wide |
| 01:38.24 | wethrin | By all of around 1/4 inch |
| 01:54.20 | wethrin | psnl? |
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| 07:23.30 | psnl | wethrin: slept |
| 07:49.03 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 07:59.25 | sabinef72 | morning |
| 07:59.34 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 07:59.55 | sabinef72 | hi morsing |
| 08:00.21 | morsing | How are you? |
| 08:01.04 | sabinef72 | sleepyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 08:01.06 | sabinef72 | ah ah |
| 08:01.09 | morsing | :( |
| 08:01.11 | sabinef72 | I'm ok and you ? |
| 08:01.14 | morsing | ibot wake sabinef72 |
| 08:01.19 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on sabinef72 and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 08:01.22 | morsing | I'm good thanks :) |
| 08:01.35 | sabinef72 | ice water... that is rude |
| 08:02.58 | morsing | I met this guy yesterday, completely by accident: |
| 08:02.59 | morsing | http://www.mongolbyminsk.com/ |
| 08:03.09 | morsing | But I'd already read his website :) |
| 08:06.28 | morsing | And Julie and Paddy bought a 244DL! (1976) |
| 08:07.58 | sabinef72 | whaou |
| 08:08.06 | sabinef72 | was it nice to talk with him ? |
| 08:09.02 | morsing | Yes - he was really cool :) |
| 08:09.42 | sabinef72 | did he write a book after his trip ? |
| 08:09.51 | morsing | He hasn't done it yet |
| 08:09.59 | morsing | Doing it in June if all goes well |
| 08:10.13 | morsing | I don't know if he's going to write a ook |
| 08:10.16 | morsing | book |
| 08:12.04 | sabinef72 | ohhhhhhh he will do it soon right ? |
| 08:12.16 | sabinef72 | I understand now |
| 08:13.49 | morsing | Yes |
| 08:18.11 | sabinef72 | I'll add his page in my bookmarks |
| 08:52.29 | morsing | So, what are you doing today? |
| 08:56.54 | sabinef72 | I'll see a man who is living in Buenos Aires. He is in holidays in Paris for few days. |
| 08:57.01 | sabinef72 | then I'll have a spanish lesson |
| 08:57.29 | sabinef72 | and tonight a friend of mine will come at home for sleeping (because she has to take a train near my home tomorrow morning) |
| 08:57.39 | sabinef72 | so it will be a "women evening" |
| 08:57.53 | sabinef72 | and you ? |
| 09:02.18 | morsing | Ohh... Cool, when I'm going to California next month I'm also sleeping over at Robin and Carly's because they're much closer to the airport |
| 09:02.37 | morsing | I'm not doing much today or this evening. Cleaning at home tonight |
| 09:03.04 | morsing | Robin is coming over for a "Guy's night" tomorrow evening. We have never done that before :) |
| 09:05.22 | sabinef72 | héhé |
| 09:05.36 | sabinef72 | you never tell me that you'll go in california next month |
| 09:05.42 | sabinef72 | for your work or holidays ? |
| 09:08.52 | morsing | Holiday |
| 09:09.05 | morsing | What do you actually type when I get this: |
| 09:09.06 | morsing | héhé |
| 09:09.07 | morsing | ? |
| 09:13.03 | sabinef72 | how to explain |
| 09:13.41 | sabinef72 | phearless: helpppppppppppppp |
| 09:13.49 | sabinef72 | it's a sound |
| 09:14.42 | Blapto | Morning |
| 09:16.56 | morsing | Blapto! |
| 09:17.11 | morsing | sabinef72: No, you don't really type that do you? |
| 09:17.19 | morsing | What keys do you hit to get that? |
| 09:20.05 | sabinef72 | utf-8 |
| 09:20.18 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 09:20.19 | sabinef72 | and é è ê are often use in french language |
| 09:20.28 | morsing | é è ê |
| 09:20.35 | morsing | Weird |
| 09:21.41 | sabinef72 | yes |
| 09:21.56 | sabinef72 | and we also have à and ç |
| 09:22.12 | sabinef72 | and î and ï |
| 09:27.25 | morsing | I'm confused. I don't think you're actually typing what I see... |
| 09:27.39 | sabinef72 | arf |
| 09:27.42 | sabinef72 | possible |
| 09:27.49 | sabinef72 | aren't you using utf8 ? |
| 09:27.55 | morsing | Don't know |
| 09:27.59 | morsing | How do I find out? |
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| 09:29.12 | sabinef72 | héhé |
| 09:29.16 | sabinef72 | is it better ? |
| 09:29.35 | morsing | robo_ro! |
| 09:29.37 | robo_ro | mornin |
| 09:29.37 | morsing | No |
| 09:29.42 | morsing | Still look crap |
| 09:29.46 | sabinef72 | damn |
| 09:35.12 | tarragon | morsing you typed h then e with an acute accent, h then another e with an acute accent. |
| 09:35.29 | morsing | Right, well that's nothing like what I see here |
| 09:35.37 | sabinef72 | thanks tarragon |
| 09:36.38 | morsing | This is what I see but I don't know what you're seeing now: |
| 09:36.39 | morsing | http://www.morsing.cc/weird |
| 09:37.18 | tarragon | Yes, that is what is on the screen here |
| 09:37.36 | morsing | Right, your systems must translate it then |
| 09:37.41 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 09:38.16 | sabinef72 | I can read your page |
| 09:38.17 | sabinef72 | it's ok |
| 09:39.01 | tarragon | The only word in English that I can think of that uses the acute accent is in "café" |
| 09:39.41 | morsing | Now, I see copyright characters and stuff in there! |
| 09:40.02 | morsing | And when Sabine types I get registered trademark symbols |
| 09:40.04 | morsing | and whatnot |
| 09:40.14 | morsing | How do I show you this? |
| 09:40.58 | tarragon | OK, what distro and what IRC client are you using? |
| 09:42.05 | morsing | Debian and irssi |
| 09:43.56 | tarragon | On your irssi menu what do you have under settings/encoding |
| 09:44.03 | morsing | But I'm coming from Windows using Putty |
| 09:44.16 | morsing | irssi doesn't have menus |
| 09:45.28 | morsing | I'm using screen as well |
| 09:45.44 | tarragon | Sorry, my fault, my console does. What language set are you using on the Windows box? |
| 09:46.31 | morsing | Just changed Putty to UTF-8 |
| 09:46.34 | morsing | Try again |
| 09:46.46 | tarragon | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.53 | morsing | Hey nice :) |
| 09:47.19 | morsing | e with an acute accent |
| 09:47.22 | morsing | Right? |
| 09:47.29 | tarragon | Yes |
| 09:47.35 | morsing | sabinef72: Type that haOhaO thing again |
| 09:48.12 | sabinef72 | héhé |
| 09:48.57 | morsing | :) |
| 09:48.59 | morsing | Much better |
| 09:49.21 | tarragon | Found another word that has two of them "résumé" |
| 09:49.34 | morsing | :) |
| 09:49.40 | sabinef72 | so I said that in french, we use : é è ê î ï ç à |
| 09:49.44 | morsing | Yes |
| 09:49.47 | morsing | Works now |
| 09:49.48 | sabinef72 | ahhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 09:49.59 | sabinef72 | I also forget ù |
| 09:54.05 | tarragon | Yes we stole those words from French. They are our words now and we will not give them back ;-) |
| 09:54.26 | sabinef72 | lol |
| 09:54.42 | sabinef72 | but we have many english words too |
| 09:54.47 | sabinef72 | perhaps we could deal them |
| 09:54.52 | morsing | sabinef72: Like Cafe? |
| 09:54.59 | sabinef72 | café |
| 09:55.01 | sabinef72 | résumé |
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| 09:55.06 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
| 09:55.16 | morsing | SlayerXP: Lend us a norwegian word |
| 09:55.25 | SlayerXP | gjenbrukstorg |
| 09:55.36 | sabinef72 | that's really really weird |
| 09:55.58 | morsing | Is it? |
| 09:56.19 | morsing | Not like Ordinateur or whatever it's called? |
| 09:56.36 | sabinef72 | computer ! |
| 09:56.44 | morsing | Yes! |
| 09:57.22 | sabinef72 | and on every machine, we have your "on" and "off" |
| 09:57.58 | morsing | Ombudsman |
| 09:58.09 | sabinef72 | well I really have to go now |
| 09:58.10 | sabinef72 | see ya |
| 09:58.22 | morsing | Bye |
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| 10:10.49 | z00dax | a friend looking for a job, with a lot of DC experience is considering doing the Veritas certification course.. |
| 10:10.53 | z00dax | good idea / bad idea ? |
| 10:13.40 | morsing | flips_and_rails! |
| 10:13.42 | morsing | z00dax! |
| 10:19.06 | morsing | Is there a safe way of creating a webpage where people can change their htaccess password? |
| 10:22.08 | bilarh | umm... why wouldn't there be? :) |
| 10:22.33 | bilarh | cgi script which produces a form which calls a setuid binary perhaps |
| 10:22.44 | bilarh | on top of https |
| 10:23.01 | antiphase | setuid for htaccess? |
| 10:23.04 | z00dax | morsing: you didnt send me that email, i take it you are no longer interested |
| 10:23.44 | bilarh | antiphase: no, i thought you could create a separate setuid program that validates the input and then changes the password accordingly |
| 10:24.04 | antiphase | KISS, fool ;) |
| 10:24.24 | bilarh | or actually, does it need to be setuid anyway? |
| 10:24.32 | bilarh | who owns the .htpasswd file? :) |
| 10:26.15 | wethrin | morning |
| 10:26.32 | psnl | what did you want? |
| 10:29.39 | wethrin | $othernet |
| 10:31.49 | morsing | z00dax: I am but can do absolutely nothing until Enom responds to my request |
| 10:31.52 | morsing | I'm stuck |
| 10:32.19 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 10:32.21 | z00dax | morsing: ok, let me know later then. the offer is still open |
| 10:32.30 | psnl | wethrin: heard from bluelinux? |
| 10:32.39 | morsing | z00dax: It will take months before I can change the pointers |
| 10:32.57 | morsing | psnl: Yes we have |
| 10:34.25 | wethrin | psnl: Aye |
| 10:35.47 | psnl | can I see it? |
| 10:39.05 | morsing | No |
| 10:39.10 | morsing | It's top secret |
| 10:39.21 | psnl | cool |
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| 11:25.25 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 11:25.27 | morsing | asht_007! |
| 11:27.59 | goibhniu | morsing! check yourself! |
| 11:33.02 | morsing | Beer |
| 11:36.47 | goibhniu | mushrooms! |
| 11:39.14 | boudiccas | psnl; every time i see your nick, my brain converts it to 'police service of northern ireland', which leads to some confusion at my end! :o) |
| 11:43.57 | bilarh | folks, how bad is it to run two simultaneous rsyncs on a directory with lots of files? E.g. if I start an rsync, sleep for a while and start another rsync on the same directory, will bad things happen (such as the same file being transferred twice, rsync crapping out etc)? |
| 11:44.44 | bilarh | or, is rsync clever enough to realise that it shouldn't transfer a file (i.e. does it build a list of files to transfer when it is instantiated, or is it done dynamically as it goes along)? |
| 11:44.44 | boudiccas | bilarh; use rsnapshot for rsyncing or backup |
| 11:46.43 | bilarh | I think I have to use rsync for various reasons, unfortunately :( |
| 11:49.11 | bilarh | as a separate issue, isn't the name "rsnapshot" a bit misleading if it uses rsync, as it's a snaaaaaaapshot if there are files to transfer, i.e the files are copied over a period of time, during which time there may be modifications to files that have already been copied |
| 11:49.19 | bilarh | ? |
| 11:53.19 | hali | isn't a snapshot a point in time? |
| 11:53.28 | bilarh | yeah that's what i mean |
| 11:53.40 | hali | so the concept works fine... the transfer is initiated at 9.15 and a file is changed at 9.16 ... the file changed at 9.16 should not be included |
| 11:53.41 | bilarh | but this transfer is taking place over a period of time :) |
| 11:53.45 | hali | which it isn't as far as i know |
| 11:53.45 | bilarh | so it's not a snapshot :) |
| 11:53.49 | hali | well, it is |
| 11:54.00 | hali | you can add a lvm snapshot |
| 11:54.10 | bilarh | no, if you say "here's a snapshot of this directory at 9:15am" |
| 11:54.22 | bilarh | then you should receive the files exactly as they were at that time |
| 11:54.29 | hali | i take my lvm snapshot, fuse mount that under /dog .. sync that |
| 11:54.31 | bilarh | but it's not possible with a user land tool |
| 11:54.36 | hali | sure it is |
| 11:55.14 | hali | you can do lvm snapshot as a user, and mount it a fuse |
| 11:55.17 | bilarh | yes i know, but what i'm saying is that the "rsnapshot" name is misleading as it's using an rsync which, as it takes longer than an instant to complete is not a snapshot |
| 11:55.23 | bilarh | although it might give the same results, most of the time |
| 11:55.35 | bilarh | yeah but the lvm snapshot is still sort of a kernel construct |
| 11:55.43 | bilarh | where-as rsync is pure userland |
| 11:55.50 | hali | ok, fine |
| 11:56.15 | bilarh | ah never mind, i'm not debating whether or not rsnapshot is any good, just the finer points (?) of the name :) |
| 11:56.16 | hali | but is there a problem with using kernel malachi to acheive this? |
| 11:56.34 | bilarh | yes, the problem is i have to use rsync :) |
| 11:56.46 | hali | ok, that works fine |
| 11:56.48 | hali | IF |
| 11:56.52 | hali | you use the lvm snapshot |
| 11:57.00 | bilarh | hehe :) |
| 11:57.04 | hali | at least if you HAVE to have a point in time snapshot |
| 11:57.09 | bilarh | no i don't |
| 11:57.12 | hali | then fine |
| 11:57.16 | hali | what are we arguing about? |
| 11:57.23 | bilarh | again, i'm just saying that the name of rsnapshot is misleading |
| 11:57.32 | bilarh | ffs, just agree and i'll shut up :) |
| 11:57.33 | hali | potato tomota |
| 11:58.09 | cpufreak | mmm potatoes |
| 11:58.10 | cpufreak | :) |
| 11:58.21 | bilarh | cpu: lunchie munchie? |
| 11:58.25 | cpufreak | soon |
| 11:58.50 | cpufreak | henrik: once i've finished removinga bunch of crap from nagios I can get you playing with the iscsi stuff downstairs if you want |
| 11:59.09 | bilarh | cool, i've got some stuff to do at the moment |
| 11:59.30 | bilarh | stuff != splitting hairs over the definition of a snapshot |
| 12:00.04 | hali | we could try to define 'userland' |
| 12:00.17 | hali | is a kernel compiled sh userland? |
| 12:00.28 | hali | i think some moron wrote a sh module |
| 12:00.35 | hali | pops up on a tty when you load it |
| 12:01.19 | bilarh | what's an sh module? |
| 12:01.25 | bilarh | for running sh? |
| 12:01.26 | hali | sh as in /bin/sh clone |
| 12:01.36 | hali | but written entirely as a kernel module |
| 12:01.48 | hali | it used 400 bytes less ram! |
| 12:01.49 | bilarh | cool |
| 12:02.57 | hali | fuck i hate sybase :/ |
| 12:03.04 | hali | i've been demoted to sybase whore atm |
| 12:05.40 | hali | i can still not understand why we run sybase on blades without san connectivity |
| 12:05.52 | hali | did someone say disk i/o contention? |
| 12:06.00 | bilarh | because banks + sybase = true? :) |
| 12:06.14 | bilarh | we used to have some awful software |
| 12:06.19 | bilarh | it was from the mid 80's originally |
| 12:06.23 | bilarh | on novell |
| 12:06.34 | bilarh | and it had been ported to unix |
| 12:06.48 | bilarh | it ran as a dog |
| 12:07.16 | bilarh | 200 users on a 6900 with 48 dual cores would kill the whole box |
| 12:07.26 | bilarh | speaking of banks |
| 12:08.00 | hali | sucky |
| 12:08.10 | hali | we have 400+ users on 8-core 490's in a heavy j2ee app... and it isn't bad at all |
| 12:08.17 | hali | at least not when running jboss... webfear is worse |
| 12:08.24 | bilarh | our app was console based, but we automated it with expect :) |
| 12:08.51 | hali | screen scraping ftw |
| 12:10.29 | bilarh | expect is really cool though |
| 12:10.29 | bilarh | i hadn't used it before going there but it's fantastic |
| 12:10.43 | bilarh | i think i might automate my shell with it :) |
| 12:11.09 | bilarh | now if someone could come up with an xexpect, that would be fantastic |
| 12:14.04 | boudiccas | rsnapshot is a backup program to another disc, which takes regular backups during the day, as specified in the config file and run by cron |
| 12:14.32 | boudiccas | it uses rsync |
| 12:18.45 | bilarh | hrm, i wish there was a way to specify a remote .emacs, fetched over say http or somethign so that i wouldn't have to keep copying mine across everywhere |
| 12:20.34 | boudiccas | bilarh; load screen and run emacs from that screen which you can esaily detach foranother machine |
| 12:21.15 | bilarh | hmm, but then i can't modify files on the computer i've logged in to |
| 12:21.26 | bilarh | and also, screen doesn't support X unfrotunately :( |
| 12:21.41 | bilarh | that's another good project for someone, xscreen :) |
| 12:21.57 | hali | http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070122/sun_intel.html?.v=7 O_o |
| 12:30.47 | bilarh | hrm... how do you graciously handle lock files in bash? |
| 12:30.56 | bilarh | given that you can't use any semaphore's etc? |
| 12:31.35 | bilarh | and that a if [ ! -f lockfile ]; then touch lockfile ; fi |
| 12:31.40 | bilarh | is not atomical? |
| 12:32.07 | hali | isn't that whole semaphore hack a bigger pain than gain? |
| 12:32.38 | bilarh | well, with a semaphore you can guarantee that you're the only one doing the test and creation |
| 12:33.10 | bilarh | otherwise you might have a situation where process 1 checks if the file exists (which it doesn't) and then is swapped out |
| 12:33.25 | bilarh | p2 comes along and checks if the file is there and then creates it |
| 12:33.30 | hali | isn't it easier to use a database for things like that? |
| 12:33.38 | bilarh | p2 now goes to sleep and then p1 wakes up and thinks that it's locked |
| 12:33.58 | bilarh | well, if you had a nice little "locker" it would be ok in shell too |
| 12:34.10 | Erwin | bilarh: I've seen symlinks used for that. i.e. you do ln -s "some info here" lockfile |
| 12:34.11 | bilarh | i wonder if you could invoke a bit of inline perl to create a semaphore :) |
| 12:34.31 | bilarh | erwin: and check the return code of ln? |
| 12:34.37 | Erwin | bilarh: If the ln -s fails, then you can't acquire the lock because it's in use, if it succeeds, you got it. unfortunately you then have to be careful to add a trap to remove the lockfile if your shell script exits |
| 12:34.41 | hali | i think that problem is more in the core design, you should be able to code around it, at least if you are doing something from scratch |
| 12:34.52 | bilarh | erwin: clever, i like that idea :) |
| 12:34.59 | hali | and the lack of real file locks in unix is a feature |
| 12:35.03 | hali | you have oplocks right |
| 12:35.09 | bilarh | hali: but somewhere along the line you'll have to deal with locking if you run concurrent scripts |
| 12:35.27 | hali | i think you worked to long with that french guy |
| 12:35.44 | bilarh | umm, i had concurrency problems way before i worked with him :) |
| 12:36.11 | bilarh | it might work in 99.5% of cases to do the if [ ! -f b ]; then touch b |
| 12:36.31 | bilarh | but, the 0.5% of times when ti doesn't it will be 3am and you've just got back from the pub |
| 12:36.48 | hali | i can't say i've ever had that problem |
| 12:36.51 | bilarh | and then you'll have a slip of fingers and type reboot instead of pkill myprocess |
| 12:37.28 | bilarh | or more likely rtewbooot, which is equally unhelpful in that instance |
| 13:21.21 | morsing | Nice |
| 13:24.55 | morsing | wethrin? |
| 13:44.41 | morsing | ibot wake wethrin |
| 13:44.52 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on wethrin and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
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| 13:47.14 | LeedsTreo | evening all... |
| 13:47.58 | goibhniu | evening LeedsTreo ... back in HK? |
| 13:48.56 | LeedsTreo | yup - on the airport train right now... Sydney is fun, and I could have happily stayed longer, but it's good to be back |
| 13:49.11 | morsing | LeedsTreo! |
| 13:49.18 | LeedsTreo | morsing! |
| 13:50.40 | goibhniu | I heard the australian linux podcast about the conf ... it's a pretty bizarre podcast but the general vibe seemed to be good |
| 13:51.11 | goibhniu | is there much in the way of python gigs in Sydney? |
| 13:51.19 | LeedsTreo | very good vibe... |
| 13:51.57 | LeedsTreo | dunno about Python in particular, but there seems to be decent amounts of Linux-type work... |
| 13:52.13 | LeedsTreo | was told by a Perl person that she's heard of Python demand |
| 13:53.11 | goibhniu | ahh ... good, good .. but you're sticking with HK for now |
| 13:53.45 | LeedsTreo | if I can, yes... I like Sydney - still don't think I'd like to live there for very long |
| 13:54.26 | LeedsTreo | I do seem to have a contact at RedHat in Singapore now, though :-) |
| 13:55.23 | goibhniu | nice one! |
| 13:56.25 | LeedsTreo | and it seems I'm going to be trying to get the scummvm palmos front-end working on at least *this* machine... |
| 13:59.07 | LeedsTreo | "This station is Kowloon" |
| 14:15.37 | wethrin | hello |
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| 14:24.18 | Leeds | ah, home sweet mess |
| 14:31.21 | wethrin | Back in HK? |
| 14:35.02 | Leeds | yup |
| 14:35.25 | Leeds | 6 months more tourist visa, after confirming that I'm not working at the moment |
| 14:36.20 | Leeds | for, of course, some value of 'not working; |
| 14:38.46 | wethrin | Oh? |
| 14:41.48 | Leeds | as a tourist, I couldn't possibly be in the process of completing a short contract for goibhniu |
| 14:42.30 | wethrin | heh |
| 14:43.04 | Leeds | and UK passports get a 6 month tourist visa - other westerners get 3 months |
| 14:44.03 | Leeds | given that I had a 6 month visa in October and went to Oz after 3 months of it, I was slightly prepared to be given a 3 month visa this time |
| 14:46.24 | wethrin | Mm. That wasn't bad, then. |
| 14:46.33 | wethrin | So what plans? Continue job-hunting in HK? Or move back here? |
| 14:48.20 | Leeds | continue job-hunting for a while... |
| 14:48.46 | Leeds | I'm not planning to move back to the UK in any significant way at any point - obviously I'll be back, but not to work |
| 14:49.30 | wethrin | Any other places worthy of consideration for working? |
| 14:49.35 | Leeds | Israel |
| 14:49.37 | Leeds | Oz? |
| 14:49.41 | Leeds | Singapore... |
| 14:49.46 | Leeds | US? |
| 14:50.01 | wethrin | fairrrnuff |
| 14:50.20 | Leeds | Israel, most likely |
| 14:51.17 | Leeds | hmm... given that I've not been torrenting... have I missed any particularly interesting TV stuff in the past week or two? |
| 14:53.01 | wethrin | Mock The Week's made a comeback |
| 14:53.12 | wethrin | I haven't checked uknova for a couple of weeks, so don't know otherwise |
| 14:54.17 | Leeds | I could grab 'Channel 4 seeks headlines for racism', I suppose |
| 14:58.29 | wethrin | Ahh. I've been mostly ignoring it. Mainly because the perpatrators are scummy cunts. |
| 14:59.05 | Leeds | but surely it's the biggest news story in the UK for 2007? |
| 14:59.43 | wethrin | Sadly, probably. Society-- |
| 14:59.53 | Leeds | anyway, the point of the torrenting is also to test if the internet here is any faster than it was when I left... and it seems to be nice and fast right now |
| 14:59.58 | wethrin | right |
| 15:00.08 | wethrin | ~change 95 USD to GBP |
| 15:00.16 | Leeds | 1.97 |
| 15:01.04 | wethrin | I know. |
| 15:01.20 | Leeds | it also seems reliable enough to stream audio, which it was failing to do when I left... guess they've fixed a cable or two |
| 15:04.50 | wethrin | that's good |
| 15:22.10 | morsing | wethrin |
| 15:22.11 | morsing | ! |
| 15:22.31 | wethrin | hi |
| 15:27.58 | morsing | :) |
| 15:28.02 | morsing | wethrin: How are you? |
| 15:28.18 | wethrin | I ought to go to the cleanroom and get a bit more work done |
| 15:28.21 | morsing | Have you lost any emails during the outage? |
| 15:28.43 | wethrin | I don't know. I don't think so, as I've got a 3rd MX record outside of our machines |
| 15:28.57 | wethrin | And even if I didn't, sending mailservers should queue email for up to 7 days |
| 15:44.14 | morsing | Nice |
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| 15:45.59 | robo_ro | 'lo |
| 15:47.55 | SlayerXP | wethrin: sending mail servers should queue email for up to however many days the administrator tells them too |
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| 16:10.32 | morsing | z00dax! |
| 16:10.49 | z00dax | morsing: ! |
| 16:11.05 | Leeds | testicles |
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| 16:12.03 | morsing | flips_and_rails! |
| 16:37.38 | goibhniu | morsing: what did you do to secretlondon? |
| 16:37.51 | goibhniu | she hasn't been around since the worst day of your life |
| 16:46.42 | morsing | goibhniu: I ate her |
| 16:47.16 | Leeds | oo-er |
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| 16:53.05 | Dick_Turpin | boudiccas, |
| 16:57.48 | morsing | Dick_Turpin! |
| 16:58.58 | Dick_Turpin | morsing baby we is everyone? |
| 16:59.48 | goibhniu | hey Dick_Turpin ... morsing killed secretlondon |
| 17:00.43 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, Just the man, I wanted to speak with you |
| 17:02.02 | goibhniu | Dick_Turpin: I didn't do it |
| 17:02.41 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, I've now got Beryl-snow however has anyone else ever seen square snow before? |
| 17:03.21 | goibhniu | yay! |
| 17:03.30 | goibhniu | yep ... the snow is crap innit |
| 17:03.54 | goibhniu | when you spin the cube it turns into little black squares |
| 17:04.15 | goibhniu | is it always just squares for you? |
| 17:05.08 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, Dunno I was so disappointed I switched it off quickly. I'll have a look |
| 17:05.23 | goibhniu | you can change the image for the snow, perhaps it requires shaders? |
| 17:06.11 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, Snow stays the same for me |
| 17:06.12 | goibhniu | it's pretty crap anyway .. it would be nice if it got pushed around by the windows and shook up when you spin the cube ... like a little snow dome ornament |
| 17:07.04 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, I was under the impression any open window was supposed to shiver from the cold? |
| 17:07.12 | goibhniu | it just worked for me, so I don't know of any issues with it |
| 17:07.41 | Dick_Turpin | Have you seen the transparent cube? |
| 17:07.45 | goibhniu | oh!? shivering? I didn't leave it on for long |
| 17:07.56 | goibhniu | yeah transparent cube rocks |
| 17:08.09 | Dick_Turpin | do you have it? |
| 17:08.13 | goibhniu | window grouping rocks ... but it's still buggy |
| 17:08.15 | goibhniu | sure |
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| 17:08.31 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, I dont seem to have it |
| 17:09.06 | goibhniu | have you got beryl settings manager 0.1.4? |
| 17:10.12 | goibhniu | Desktop/Desktop Cube/Transparency |
| 17:10.22 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, Yeah after adding skynet repo |
| 17:12.46 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, You clever clogs althoug it makes my refresh run like a dog |
| 17:13.35 | goibhniu | it's a pity I only every have about 3 or 4 apps open ... I rarely use virtual desktops at all |
| 17:14.10 | goibhniu | yeah? feck ... maybe it's time for a new card? |
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| 17:15.48 | goibhniu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.42 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, The spinning cube is a godsend in a way Every new window I open on the next face when you click on it the panel the cube spins to the relevant desktop much better than max/min |
| 17:18.12 | goibhniu | you kind of lose out on transparency if you've got em all on different desktops though? |
| 17:18.59 | goibhniu | I also find the short cuts for positioning windows on the screen pretty handy |
| 17:19.06 | goibhniu | better than clicking and dragging |
| 17:19.24 | goibhniu | I think they're turned off by default? |
| 17:20.35 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, what if you could click through the transparancy tho? a bit like the stuff I've talked about before? |
| 17:21.13 | goibhniu | yeah .. tell me about that again ... I didn't get it |
| 17:24.25 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, OK lets say I have Firefox open and xchat, now think in 3D, I click on xchat and push it back um deep, behind. and drag Firefox to the front. this of course would do away with the cube as there would be no need. |
| 17:24.26 | goibhniu | I have no idea what that annotate plugin is about |
| 17:25.24 | goibhniu | ok, so is it enough to be able to send a window to the background? |
| 17:25.46 | goibhniu | like with middle click on the title bar |
| 17:26.39 | goibhniu | or you want to drag one window through another ... with a kind of cross section view? |
| 17:27.09 | goibhniu | or perhaps scroll through the stacking order |
| 17:27.42 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, Think of twin head that gives you a wider view I'm thinking depth |
| 17:30.15 | goibhniu | hmmm... so you've got three windows A,B,C with A at the front and C at the back |
| 17:30.27 | goibhniu | you want to drag C to the front |
| 17:30.42 | goibhniu | ? |
| 17:31.46 | goibhniu | or you want to kind of fly around in space and drag and drop windows as you go? |
| 17:35.07 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, Ah heres the neat idea when you send window A to the back it flips so that is edge-on like a book on a book shelf when you want it back as you pull it forwards it flips back to being face-up (normal) I could draw it but the nusrse has confiscated my crayons |
| 17:36.32 | goibhniu | ahhh! ok ... I think I get it now |
| 17:37.29 | goibhniu | that would be very nice ... you've tried project looking glass haven't you? |
| 17:39.06 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, So imagine your at your desk youve finished working out your disgusting profit you put the 'Calculator' at the top of the desk and pull the phone forward to call the punter |
| 17:39.22 | Dick_Turpin | Ta da |
| 17:39.48 | goibhniu | yep .. sounds a bit like ... was it mindows? an early compiz dock |
| 17:40.10 | goibhniu | there were various incarnations of it but it was considered too buggy for this world and got dumped iirc |
| 17:40.30 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, I looked at the looking glass wiki the other day but I don't have anything to put it on |
| 17:41.17 | goibhniu | basically you could create a custom type dock which showed live mini versions of your open windows but it was pretty flexible so I guess it wouldn't have taken much to implement your idea |
| 17:41.28 | goibhniu | oh, I thought you were telling me you tried it |
| 17:42.07 | goibhniu | I heard it's improved a lot recently ... it's may well have that feature ... it was designed from the ground up to make use of 3d space |
| 17:42.42 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, No I was giving the world my ideas for free but as usual somebody has already invented it |
| 17:43.26 | goibhniu | http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/# |
| 17:43.35 | goibhniu | that's it ... just like in your dream |
| 17:43.52 | goibhniu | at least now you don't have to implement it yourself |
| 17:44.33 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, I'm too enamered with my snow to look at anything else ;-) |
| 17:45.07 | goibhniu | :D go home ... your dinner's getting cold! |
| 17:45.31 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, I am at home, took the day off today :-) |
| 17:46.06 | goibhniu | oh .. ok then |
| 17:47.21 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, The power the power perks of middle management |
| 17:49.29 | goibhniu | I see ... just rewards after all those years of stamping on and climbing over the meek |
| 17:50.09 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, Ha the meek may well inherit the earth, its just we have it now thanks :-) |
| 17:51.04 | goibhniu | there won't be much left by the time we're through with it anyway :D |
| 17:51.47 | Dick_Turpin | goibhniu, I'll be too dead to worry about it |
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| 19:04.57 | secretlondon | hi |
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| 19:20.54 | morsing | xotl! |
| 19:21.17 | xotl | hi morsing |
| 19:23.41 | morsing | Hi |
| 19:23.46 | morsing | How are you? |
| 19:24.25 | xotl | good thanks |
| 19:24.54 | xotl | morsing: how come you didn't go to australia with Leeds? |
| 19:28.31 | morsing | I'm poor |
| 19:30.10 | xotl | demand a payrise and declare it is essential to try out open-source segways for your professional development |
| 19:36.13 | trousers_ | Ahhhhhh, long time no see :D |
| 19:38.34 | secretlondon | morsing! |
| 19:39.22 | morsing | secretlondon! |
| 19:39.26 | morsing | I missed you :) |
| 19:39.47 | morsing | xotl: My manager always moans that I'm paid too much |
| 19:41.14 | antiphase | I thought segways were those crazy American 2 wheeled scooter things |
| 19:41.22 | antiphase | Because they can't spell "segue" |
| 19:42.18 | trousers_ | Does anybody have an idea what my second talk about Linux should be about? |
| 19:42.31 | xotl | antiphase: they are, but they had one which was controlled by open source software at conf.au |
| 19:45.22 | xotl | trousers_: who are your audience |
| 19:46.41 | trousers_ | xotl: A group of ~15-16 year old boys |
| 19:47.01 | morsing | trousers_: Nice |
| 19:47.07 | trousers_ | xotl: I started off with what Linux is etc. but I dunno if I should do some C, liveCDs etc. or something else |
| 19:47.17 | xotl | trousers_: is it an assessed thing for school or just an interest group or what? |
| 19:47.32 | trousers_ | xotl: My own lunchtime club, so merely interest |
| 19:48.18 | xotl | trousers_: do something fun/interesting not instructional, otherwise no-one will come back |
| 19:48.55 | trousers_ | xotl: Well, the first one had to be a bit I-tell-you-you-nod-your-head-esque, but now I have more freedom |
| 19:49.29 | xotl | trousers_: what constitutes fun depends on the people, so I guess you'll just have to judge that for yourself |
| 19:50.21 | trousers_ | Mainly white, nerdy and intelligent :P I was thinking of doing a blitz C session and having a little code competition to test what they learnt. |
| 19:50.32 | xotl | trousers_: how about developing a little app? most ppl will think that is fun and also an incentive for ppl to come back to progress things |
| 19:51.06 | trousers_ | xotl: Any idea what the app could be? I assume we're talking CLI here, but I want something a bit challenging |
| 19:51.20 | trousers_ | Also, is there any way to actually measure efficiency, or runtime of a program? |
| 19:51.30 | antiphase | Time it? |
| 19:51.53 | trousers_ | antiphase: These programs will take less than a second, though, I would hope, and milliseconds count here |
| 19:52.01 | xotl | trousers_: just get one out of a book if i were you. I'd keep it simple unless you are preaching to the converted |
| 19:52.35 | xotl | trousers_: simple but not boring, though |
| 19:52.38 | trousers_ | I do need to brush up a bit to make myself seem rather a master when I talk to them, too :D |
| 19:52.44 | antiphase | If it's that quick, it doesn't matter. You need something more complex, or just run it 1E6 times then divide the total time later |
| 19:52.59 | trousers_ | antiphase: 1E6? |
| 19:53.08 | trousers_ | Oh, the program, right |
| 19:53.13 | antiphase | 1x10^6 = 1000000 |
| 19:53.18 | trousers_ | Yes yes. |
| 19:53.48 | trousers_ | antiphase: Hmm, surely I could make a program that checks system clock, run program, check system clock, prints difference |
| 19:53.56 | trousers_ | Or have them do it :D |
| 19:54.45 | antiphase | You can also do that, to nominally nanosecond accuracy typically, although in reality it will be somewhat less |
| 19:55.20 | xotl | trousers_: why do you want to check how long the thing takes? |
| 19:55.36 | xotl | trousers_: I assume its going to be 20 lines or soemthing |
| 19:55.59 | trousers_ | xotl: I guess if it is that short I can just read it to check efficiency |
| 19:56.40 | xotl | trousers_: yes. if they are new to coding you won't get most ppl to write anything more, at leas initially |
| 19:56.58 | xotl | trousers_: most ppl will lose interst if they don't see restults quickly |
| 19:57.34 | trousers_ | Argh, can't find my C bible to refer to :( |
| 19:57.54 | xotl | trousers_: are there any other organizers besides you? |
| 19:58.19 | antiphase | Who needs bibles if you have internets? |
| 19:59.11 | xotl | trousers_: what are the attendees going to use? don't tell me your school has a load of linux workstations? |
| 19:59.53 | trousers_ | xotl: No, I haven't quite got around that, so at the moment I'm stuck with literally hand written code :( |
| 20:00.19 | trousers_ | xotl: My school will, when I do the presentation, have one Linux machine there, and that's MY laptop :( |
| 20:00.28 | xotl | trousers_: haha! what they are all sitting there writing the code on their paper pads? |
| 20:00.43 | trousers_ | xotl: Maaaaaaaybe :( |
| 20:00.57 | xotl | trousers_: you have a tough sell there |
| 20:01.21 | trousers_ | xotl: Yeah, but it's just something I have to deal with |
| 20:01.27 | xotl | trousers_: is your idea to start a group that will last or just do a couple of meets or what? |
| 20:01.56 | trousers_ | xotl: Last, unfortunately, so I need some way to entice people further |
| 20:02.21 | trousers_ | I had about 8 people for the debut :P |
| 20:02.36 | xotl | trousers_: in that case you could try and get a cs/physics teacher on your side |
| 20:02.50 | trousers_ | xotl: Already done |
| 20:03.06 | xotl | trousers_: personally i absolutely loathed school, so I would never have done that, but that is prob your best bet. |
| 20:03.22 | xotl | trousers_: what has been his advice? |
| 20:03.33 | trousers_ | xotl: Already have a physics teacher as the teacher fronting the club, but he hasn't had any advice yet, really |
| 20:04.08 | xotl | trousers_: sounds a bit useless. he could sell the meet to his students |
| 20:04.40 | xotl | get some sixth formers in as well who might get things going |
| 20:04.47 | trousers_ | xotl: Maybe, maybe. But I have to have a teacher fronting it in order for it to be "legal" and he's probably the only teacher who has used Linux |
| 20:04.55 | trousers_ | xotl: One or two sixth formers |
| 20:05.40 | xotl | trousers_: does he teach cs or just physics? |
| 20:06.18 | trousers_ | xotl: We don't have CS at school, so physics |
| 20:06.34 | trousers_ | There's also an IT techie who turns up |
| 20:07.06 | xotl | ah. well anyway if you can't get it to work with that backing then it probably can't be got to work |
| 20:07.27 | trousers_ | xotl: Indeed, but hopefully it will work :D |
| 20:07.40 | xotl | could ask physics guy to install a load of linux vms |
| 20:07.49 | trousers_ | xotl: On what? |
| 20:08.00 | xotl | dont you have a computer lab? |
| 20:08.45 | trousers_ | xotl: Well, they're all screwed up to an extent, that is they're running administrative RM network software underneath and thusly only admins can install VM software and grants privs to all to run it etc. |
| 20:09.33 | xotl | what else are the computer techs doing all day? get the physics guy to get them to install it |
| 20:09.38 | trousers_ | And unless you wanted all students to be able to screw up another's, then passwords would be required, which could probably be brute forced with a bit of time |
| 20:10.06 | xotl | don't see how that is any worse than what they have to deal with now |
| 20:10.08 | trousers_ | xotl: I'll enquire about VMs, and hint that VMware player is free etc. :) |
| 20:11.01 | xotl | also, the kind of ppl that turn up at the meet are at least slightly more responsible (I imagine) than most kids who use the lab |
| 20:11.25 | xotl | i'd say thats definitely worth a shot |
| 20:11.27 | trousers_ | xotl: Definitely, even in a grammar school there is chavvy scum and intelligent human :) |
| 20:11.47 | xotl | i doubt you'll get ppl to keep coming unless they get to actually play around with stuff |
| 20:12.31 | trousers_ | Well, that's another reason for a teacher -- I have no disciplinary rights :P |
| 20:12.32 | xotl | i thought grammars existed to keep out the chavs |
| 20:12.44 | trousers_ | xotl: People can always pass by luck ;) |
| 20:13.28 | xotl | i doubt you'll have disciplinary probs. ppl who turn up to a linux meet at luchtime are prob genuinly interetsed |
| 20:14.01 | xotl | otherwise they would be out somewhere trying to smoke and not get caught |
| 20:14.05 | trousers_ | Some of them do seem genuinely interested, and it seems most people interested in something that geeky would appreciate a bit of coding, too |
| 20:14.48 | xotl | yes, it is what most ppl are initially interested in i would have thought |
| 20:15.05 | xotl | is the teacher actually there in the meet with you? |
| 20:15.20 | trousers_ | xotl: Indeed |
| 20:15.25 | trousers_ | He can code in C, too |
| 20:16.00 | xotl | can he really code in c? since it isnt his job then he'd have to do it in his spare time |
| 20:16.21 | trousers_ | xotl: Previous job involved something OpenGL-y if I remember an old lesson correctly |
| 20:16.38 | xotl | oh ok, so he want always a teacher? |
| 20:16.43 | xotl | *wasn't |
| 20:17.04 | trousers_ | Indeed |
| 20:17.28 | xotl | can't imagine why someone would think teaching was better, but there we are :-) |
| 20:18.36 | xotl | i would say you really have to get those VMs installed otherwise no-one will come |
| 20:18.48 | xotl | good luck with it anyway |
| 20:20.29 | trousers_ | Cheers |
| 20:23.31 | morsing | Check it! |
| 20:26.09 | z00dax | anyone know why I might loose all windows borders using compiz ? |
| 20:26.09 | z00dax | ( this is gnome btw ) |
| 20:32.15 | hali | can anyone recommend a good hifi shop in london? |
| 20:32.36 | secretlondon | hali: what counts as "good"? |
| 20:32.52 | hali | secretlondon: well, not pioneer and sony home cinema stuff |
| 20:33.20 | hali | a shop with some b&w stuff, perhaps some musical fidelity, meridian, cyris, arcam etc |
| 20:33.26 | hali | cyrus* |
| 20:33.40 | hali | nope, not richer :) |
| 20:34.07 | hali | it seems that all "real" shops require you to be at least 45, filthy rich and listen to elevator music |
| 20:35.26 | secretlondon | to be honest i've always reckon hifi is a lot of snake oil - some real quackery out there |
| 20:35.39 | hali | it is a lot aof snake oil |
| 20:35.57 | secretlondon | several grand for a cone that may alter wave forms - whatever they do to earn their money it doesn't involve physics ;0 |
| 20:35.58 | hali | £30k power cables and shakti stones for one :) |
| 20:36.27 | hali | or that 2W tube with super high distortion, retails at £80k |
| 20:36.33 | hali | tube amp* |
| 20:37.15 | hali | but i don't mind kit that sounds good, and vendors that can show measurements to back up their claims |
| 20:45.17 | morsing | http://www.morsing.cc/billed.php?STED=Sydney-2002 |
| 20:49.47 | serris | hi all |
| 20:49.58 | secretlondon | hi serris |
| 20:51.08 | morsing | serris! |
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| 21:12.05 | secretlondon | hi cat |
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| 21:17.23 | catalyst | heyo |
| 21:28.41 | morsing | Am I really that boring? |
| 21:31.59 | morsing | catalyst? |
| 21:34.32 | catalyst | nah :) |
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| 21:54.13 | wethrin | people! |
| 21:54.59 | secretlondon | wethrin! |
| 21:55.05 | secretlondon | i've 6 mins left alas |
| 21:55.23 | wethrin | Boo! |
| 21:55.26 | wethrin | how's life? |
| 21:55.55 | secretlondon | okay but a tad snotty |
| 21:56.03 | wethrin | ick :-/ |
| 21:56.17 | secretlondon | can't get wifi on ancient stinkpad working either |
| 21:56.23 | secretlondon | still tsuck in net cafe |
| 21:56.33 | wethrin | Have you found a working access point, then? |
| 21:57.02 | secretlondon | the person who runs the shop on the other side of the road has found one, and the librray claims to have free wifi |
| 21:57.09 | secretlondon | i just need to get laptop working |
| 21:57.46 | wethrin | Ah. Trouble with drivers? |
| 21:57.57 | secretlondon | yeah its zd1201 |
| 21:58.21 | secretlondon | finally found that there is a linux driver project - was trying with ndiswrapper but it didn';t work |
| 21:58.35 | secretlondon | even tried with windows but was tempremental :( |
| 21:58.35 | wethrin | OpenBSD! :) |
| 21:58.38 | secretlondon | indeed |
| 21:58.59 | secretlondon | but don't think it supoorts it - otherwise i'd run it (that machine used to have openbsd on it) |
| 21:59.14 | wethrin | hm. It does support quite a lot of stuff |
| 21:59.35 | secretlondon | i may try again |
| 21:59.40 | secretlondon | 2 mins left - whaa |
| 21:59.58 | wethrin | boh. Want a shell account on hades? 'twill make it better ot IRC |
| 22:00.05 | secretlondon | yes pls |
| 22:00.16 | secretlondon | sorry about the missing console cable :( |
| 22:00.30 | wethrin | No problem |
| 22:00.35 | wethrin | It wouldn't have fitted in there anyway |
| 22:00.37 | secretlondon | 1 min |
| 22:00.39 | secretlondon | okay |
| 22:00.42 | secretlondon | better go |
| 22:00.52 | wethrin | Err. Catch me at some later point and I'll set an account up |
| 22:00.53 | wethrin | Later! |
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| 22:15.57 | wethrin | whatup! |
| 22:16.23 | mikejw | :D |
| 22:16.39 | mikejw | looking for a beginner's guide to web development with python :/ |
| 22:17.10 | mikejw | well perusing offical documentation for the time being |
| 22:18.05 | wethrin | Heh |
| 22:40.44 | mikejw | hmm |
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| 23:28.01 | wethrin | Still works for me |
| 23:32.27 | murb | wethrin: cleary your cache. |
| 23:32.29 | z00dax | £60 for fosdem - that would be a good thing if someone can really pull that off |
| 23:32.38 | z00dax | whats wrong with google.de ? |
| 23:32.51 | murb | the host it is pointing is being pretty effectively DoSed. |
| 23:32.59 | murb | z00dax: appears to have been hijacked. |
| 23:33.09 | z00dax | are you sure you the spelling right ? |
| 23:33.12 | Leeds | yup, it appears I am now a fully paid-up member of Linux Australia, the national umbrella org :-) |
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| 23:33.27 | murb | Leeds: does it rain a lot? |
| 23:33.39 | murb | Leeds: i hope nobody mentioned cricket. |
| 23:33.49 | z00dax | google.de seems fine to me |
| 23:34.23 | wethrin | murb: I blame Blackcat |
| 23:34.31 | murb | i blame the weather. |
| 23:34.36 | murb | wethrin: what for? |
| 23:34.41 | wethrin | For caching DNS |
| 23:34.54 | wethrin | (Look at Dom's comment of 23:30) |
| 23:35.00 | wethrin | Mmm....curry |
| 23:35.09 | Leeds | people did mention cricket, yes |
| 23:35.15 | wethrin | z00dax: £60 is good - doable if you take coaches, etc. |
| 23:35.35 | z00dax | and drink water and only eat at Macdonalds ? |
| 23:36.09 | z00dax | last year the Sat Dinner turned out to be £180 |
| 23:36.13 | wethrin | McD is expensive |
| 23:36.16 | wethrin | Eek! Where did you eat? |
| 23:36.23 | z00dax | but there were 8 of us |
| 23:36.51 | z00dax | wethrin: dont remember the name .... but it was a very nice Restaurant on the canal banks in Ghent |
| 23:36.54 | z00dax | Gent ? |
| 23:37.27 | Leeds | z00dax: oh, you mean £30 per head? |
| 23:37.45 | wethrin | oh, you went to weird cities |
| 23:37.53 | z00dax | Leeds: there abouts... we were at the place for almost 3 hrs, so much liquids were consumed |
| 23:38.14 | z00dax | except the guys who were driving, and the others who were arguing about openpkg v/s proper pkgs |
| 23:38.43 | wethrin | £30/head isn't bad |
| 23:39.19 | z00dax | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c3/BelfortGent.JPG |
| 23:39.39 | z00dax | we ate at the place just on the canal bridge :) |
| 23:39.45 | wethrin | how're you getting to fosdem this year? |
| 23:39.51 | z00dax | eurostar |
| 23:40.07 | wethrin | What time? |
| 23:40.18 | z00dax | was going on Thursday, but work issues mean cant leave before Friday, so ETA is midday Friday |
| 23:41.06 | wethrin | Ahha. 1240 train, then? |
| 23:41.10 | wethrin | Like lots of us will take? |
| 23:41.35 | z00dax | 10:20am i believe |
| 23:41.35 | z00dax | that gets in at 12:05 |
| 23:41.58 | wethrin | 1043? |
| 23:42.12 | wethrin | Ah, sorry. ETA. Not ETD. |
| 23:42.20 | z00dax | ah maybe that one then, not sure about details on ETD, i know ETA is 12:05 |
| 23:42.26 | z00dax | ( will be hoping on at ashford ) |
| 23:42.39 | wethrin | oh. Mad people. |
| 23:42.48 | z00dax | :D |
| 23:42.52 | wethrin | I'll be seeing you at the Roy, then |
| 23:42.57 | z00dax | I will see everyone in the evening at the Roy! |
| 23:42.59 | z00dax | oh yes |
| 23:43.12 | z00dax | this time I know where it is! |
| 23:44.17 | z00dax | I hear its great out there, I want to make it for LCA sometime |
| 23:44.24 | z00dax | this year, its going to be Fosdem and OLS I think |
| 23:46.40 | Leeds | from what I know, I'd sat OLS and LCA probably rank together, with FOSDEM leading the rest of the pack |
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