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| 00:36.14 | z00dax | [kbsingh@base ~]$ w |
| 00:36.14 | z00dax | Segmentation fault |
| 00:36.17 | z00dax | \p/ |
| 00:36.24 | wethrin | Whee! |
| 00:36.31 | wethrin | Using Gentoo? |
| 00:37.08 | z00dax | no, not quite sure what this is - it seems to have started life as a rh5 machine |
| 00:37.13 | wethrin | Eww |
| 00:37.21 | z00dax | but its running httpd-2.2 and 2.6.20rc2 |
| 00:37.26 | wethrin | ewwwwww |
| 00:37.29 | wethrin | Right. Sleeptime! |
| 00:37.34 | z00dax | nite nite |
| 01:04.41 | rhowe | http://www.btyahoo.com/broadband/adhoc_pages/gplcode.html |
| 02:35.25 | Leeds | ibot change 350 usd to hkd |
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| 05:46.20 | mumperer | Morning |
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| 07:32.15 | morsing | 'mornin |
| 07:32.36 | Leeds | hello all |
| 07:35.44 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 08:02.34 | morsing | Sarah Scott doesn't exist! |
| 08:16.04 | Leeds | hmm... web 2.0 workshop in HK on Saturday... networking, here I come :-) |
| 08:17.27 | Leeds | http://www.anobii.com/anobi/about_us.php?pid=14&lid= "mid-point between the Point of North and the Hill of Fortress off on the famed Fragrant Harbor Island." would better be phrased as "half-way between North Point and Fortress Hill on Hong Kong Island" :-) |
| 08:17.39 | Leeds | unless they're trying to be cute |
| 08:18.03 | morsing | ? |
| 08:18.16 | Leeds | it looks like it's gone through a bad translator |
| 08:18.26 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 08:18.55 | Leeds | North Point and Fortress Hill are neighbourhoods in HK - I'm in North Point right now... and Hong Kong translates as Fragrant Harbour |
| 08:19.05 | morsing | Does it? |
| 08:19.13 | Leeds | yes, that is what Hong Kong means |
| 08:20.01 | morsing | Nice |
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| 08:52.54 | morsing | adminjs! |
| 09:06.19 | adminjs | yes! |
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| 09:15.24 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
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| 09:20.25 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 09:20.29 | morsing | serris_! |
| 09:22.36 | goibhniu | morsing! |
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| 09:29.23 | robo_ro | 'lo |
| 09:30.22 | Leeds | hi |
| 09:40.26 | morsing | robo_ro! |
| 09:40.43 | robo_ro | morsing, leeds! |
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| 09:51.50 | morsing | mikejw! |
| 09:51.52 | morsing | phearless! |
| 09:51.58 | mikejw | hey morsing |
| 09:52.03 | goibhniu | via dick_turpin: http://blog.beryl-project.org/?p=23 beryl site hacked by compiz forum admin ... for evil! |
| 09:54.37 | phearless | hi ! |
| 10:01.23 | morsing | Why is Paul unhappy? |
| 10:03.15 | mikejw | I'm thinking I'd quite like to go to fosdem this year |
| 10:03.51 | Leeds | mikejw: never been? |
| 10:03.58 | mikejw | nop |
| 10:04.09 | Leeds | like beer? |
| 10:04.19 | mikejw | hmmm, yeah |
| 10:04.23 | Leeds | like techie stuff? |
| 10:04.29 | mikejw | I do |
| 10:04.39 | Leeds | then you'll like fosdem :-) |
| 10:04.44 | mikejw | :D |
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| 10:07.57 | mikejw | I'm guessing it would be cheaper than a trip to LA too :] |
| 10:08.32 | Leeds | yes |
| 10:08.42 | mikejw | :D |
| 10:09.16 | morsing | huw-l! |
| 10:11.47 | Leeds | time to test new shaver - for, in theory at least, 2007 is the year to be clean-shaven! |
| 10:13.32 | mikejw | Leeds: it is? |
| 10:15.42 | mikejw | I feel so much better after deleting my myspace account again |
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| 10:22.03 | morsing | tripitaka! |
| 10:22.13 | tripitaka | morning, morning |
| 10:22.42 | tripitaka | interesting discussion about the NHS system today |
| 10:23.49 | tripitaka | we can trust our fine gov't contractors to deliver this project to the same standards as all previous ones |
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| 10:30.31 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 10:30.40 | sabinef72 | hello |
| 10:31.04 | sabinef72 | heyyyyyyyyy |
| 10:31.09 | morsing | :) |
| 10:36.53 | morsing | sabinef72: How are you? How was dinner last night? |
| 10:37.25 | sabinef72 | only girls |
| 10:37.28 | sabinef72 | well it was nice |
| 10:37.32 | morsing | Mmm... Girls |
| 10:37.33 | sabinef72 | we talked a lot |
| 10:37.36 | morsing | Good :) |
| 10:37.45 | morsing | Did you have good food? |
| 10:53.57 | wethrin | hello |
| 10:56.01 | Leeds | did you wear skimpy nighties and hit each other with pillows? |
| 10:56.19 | Leeds | feather pillows, of course |
| 10:57.08 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 10:57.11 | wethrin | hi |
| 10:57.41 | morsing | Leeds: In your dreams I think |
| 10:57.44 | sabinef72 | Leeds: ah ah ahhhhhhhhh |
| 10:57.56 | sabinef72 | yes Leeds is a dreamer |
| 10:57.58 | Leeds | morsing: I don't see her saying no! :-) |
| 10:58.46 | sabinef72 | Leeds: of course NOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 10:59.11 | sabinef72 | we are women, not teenager |
| 10:59.32 | mikejw | :P |
| 11:00.22 | Leeds | dammit! |
| 11:00.42 | Leeds | so... when you were a teenager you did that? |
| 11:02.08 | morsing | Leeds: I used to do that... |
| 11:03.14 | sabinef72 | Leeds: yes sometimes, or when I was a kid and I invited a friend at home |
| 11:03.28 | Leeds | no, no, not when you were a kid! |
| 11:03.32 | sabinef72 | it's nice to play with pillows, isn't it |
| 11:03.50 | sabinef72 | (please... see efforts from Sabinette who tried a question tag !) |
| 11:04.10 | Leeds | uh what now? |
| 11:05.12 | sabinef72 | question tag is difficult for me |
| 11:06.02 | Leeds | what do you mean by 'question tag'? |
| 11:09.24 | sabinef72 | it's....... ,isn't it |
| 11:09.27 | sabinef72 | that is a question tag |
| 11:09.59 | Leeds | huh? |
| 11:10.10 | Leeds | you've completely lost me :-) |
| 11:10.26 | sabinef72 | it's nice to play with pillow, isn't it ? |
| 11:10.45 | sabinef72 | ^^^^ it's a question tag |
| 11:11.08 | Leeds | never heard the phrase before... |
| 11:11.23 | sabinef72 | it's what we learn in english lessons in France |
| 11:12.11 | Leeds | okay... |
| 11:12.54 | sabinef72 | time for lunch ! see ya |
| 11:13.33 | Leeds | seeya |
| 11:13.54 | keithlard_ | like 'n'est-ce pas' |
| 11:14.07 | wethrin | keef! |
| 11:15.00 | morsing | keithlard_: That's not correct... |
| 11:15.03 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 11:15.08 | wethrin | morsing! |
| 11:23.20 | mumperer | Hi, O normal ones ... |
| 11:25.46 | morsing | Normal ones? |
| 11:25.59 | morsing | wethrin: Chilterns? |
| 11:26.30 | tarragon | Some of us are happy to be considered normal and take the compliment where ever we can find it |
| 11:26.50 | wethrin | morsing: what about them? |
| 11:27.30 | mumperer | I think. Therefore he is. I've not managed to cross the maze to this high realm for some months (Simon, come back!) but I see not a lot's changed. |
| 11:31.51 | Leeds | tarragon: I hate to tell you... you're not normal |
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| 11:32.05 | Leeds | apokryphos, on the other hand, is very normal |
| 11:32.25 | apokryphos | really? |
| 11:32.31 | Leeds | yes |
| 11:32.39 | apokryphos | excellent, acceptance :) |
| 11:32.43 | tarragon | Damn :-( |
| 11:32.52 | mumperer | Anyway - a mite of serious stuff: I'm differing with my local health trust and the DoH over my health records and now, about ten letters in, I have one from the DoH the writer asks me to show to my GP and I need your help to get my Ubuntu talking to my scanner to take it further ... - normally. |
| 11:33.24 | tarragon | What type/model of scanner? |
| 11:33.47 | morsing | wethrin: When are we going walking there? |
| 11:33.49 | apokryphos | seems like a large LUG, cool :) |
| 11:34.18 | apokryphos | ardent Linux user, and yet a LUG virgin =) |
| 11:35.25 | mumperer | Epson perfection 2480 Photo, under Ubuntu 606.1 LTS (new installation.) Enough info? |
| 11:36.02 | goibhniu | mumperer: I have that exact same model connected to an ubuntu box :D |
| 11:36.59 | goibhniu | actually I think it's dead easy ... except you may need to mess around with some permissions |
| 11:37.15 | goibhniu | try running xsane as root |
| 11:37.26 | mumperer | Ah - did you install a couple of other distros between the first Ubuntu install and this one (Scanner worked on first one!) |
| 11:37.28 | tarragon | 2480 is listed as good support on the SANE site. OK what have you tried? Have you insatlled XSane? |
| 11:40.14 | morsing | New fence, complete incl delivery and VAT, £70 |
| 11:40.25 | morsing | Nice |
| 11:40.51 | mumperer | I gather two ideas from your utterly utterly normal discourse: re-install xsane and run it from root. I'll give the thinking a go - once I've found my brain switch. Is there a bash command for that? But already, many thanks, kind people. by the way, remember to forgive m,y slow typing (stroke survivor). |
| 11:41.07 | goibhniu | mumperer: actually ... I installed it on a gentoo box and then put ubuntu on it later, and I haven't tried it in ubuntu yet |
| 11:42.31 | mumperer | The scanner? |
| 11:43.03 | morsing | wethrin? |
| 11:43.34 | goibhniu | mumperer: yep, but that shouldn't really matter ... if it worked on gentoo it'll work on ubuntu |
| 11:44.50 | mumperer | I like - many thanks again. I was right: not a lot's changed, you're nice people. Must go, din-dins and nap in armchair time. Talk again later today. Bye! |
| 11:45.21 | tarragon | mumperer, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=143504 |
| 11:45.22 | wethrin | morsing? |
| 11:45.31 | morsing | wethrin: Are you not impressed? |
| 11:45.35 | wethrin | with what? |
| 11:45.39 | morsing | New fence, complete incl delivery and VAT, £70 |
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| 11:46.02 | Blapto | lo |
| 11:46.42 | wethrin | 'ello |
| 11:46.46 | wethrin | morsing: Depends on the fence :) |
| 11:47.14 | morsing | Blapto! |
| 11:47.18 | morsing | Blapto: Fence! |
| 11:47.19 | Blapto | morsing! |
| 11:47.27 | Blapto | Shrubbery! |
| 11:52.31 | Blapto | Not that I've had an emergency, just planning on having one, does anybody know of a good hard drive recovery firm in London? |
| 11:52.48 | Leeds | there's a place in park royal I've seen mentioned before |
| 11:53.07 | morsing | Mmm... Park Royal |
| 11:53.27 | robo_ro | ~change 25 GBP to EUR |
| 11:53.41 | murb | euros are nearly fee at the moment. |
| 11:53.47 | murb | s/fee/free/ |
| 11:54.06 | Leeds | still worth more than US$ |
| 11:54.56 | robo_ro | :-) |
| 11:55.23 | Leeds | pub quiz time! |
| 11:58.21 | morsing | Nice |
| 12:00.30 | wethrin | http://shorterlink.org/1599 # customer: 1, bank: 0 |
| 12:03.11 | robo_ro | ~change 47 EUR to GBP |
| 12:05.51 | hali | cpufreak: you guyse use netapps right? over nfs? |
| 12:06.21 | rhowe | http://search.ebay.co.uk/msc-napoli_W0QQfromZR40 |
| 12:10.11 | cpufreak | over nfs, iscsi and FC |
| 12:10.18 | cpufreak | oh and probably cifs too somewhere |
| 12:10.59 | hali | cpufreak: from linux boxes? |
| 12:11.05 | hali | i need to get fast++ speeds over nfs |
| 12:11.22 | hali | the netapps (3070' dual head) have 8x1Gb uplink to the core switch |
| 12:11.48 | hali | i want to have 4 gig eth cards in the linux boxes but i can't say i trust linux bonding to make use of it |
| 12:11.50 | murb | hali: increase defaults for rsize and nsize. |
| 12:13.33 | cpufreak | our standard Solaris mount options are: |
| 12:13.34 | cpufreak | hard,vers=3,intr,bg,proto=tcp,rsize=65536,wsize=65536,forcedirectio,llock,xattr |
| 12:13.52 | cpufreak | under linux they're |
| 12:13.54 | cpufreak | rw,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,hard,bg,nfsvers=3,tcp,nointr,actimeo=0,timeo=600 |
| 12:14.19 | tripitaka | with hard and nointr, do you get into trouble if the NFS server fails? |
| 12:15.16 | cpufreak | all our filters are clustered |
| 12:15.19 | cpufreak | filers |
| 12:15.28 | cpufreak | and all links are redundant |
| 12:15.40 | hali | and the nfs4 implementation in linux leave a few things to be had :/ |
| 12:15.42 | cpufreak | but yeh its not optimal if a filer goes down |
| 12:15.43 | hali | like delegation |
| 12:15.50 | cpufreak | so use nfsv3 |
| 12:16.01 | cpufreak | rather than bonding on the linux boxes |
| 12:16.02 | hali | i nfs3 up to par speed wise? |
| 12:16.03 | cpufreak | just run multipathd |
| 12:16.19 | cpufreak | yeh |
| 12:16.42 | hali | cool, i'll play around a bit with it |
| 12:17.16 | hali | it works like a charm on solaris |
| 12:17.18 | cpufreak | yeh |
| 12:17.26 | cpufreak | the T2000 in my lab downstairs |
| 12:17.34 | hali | we sent back all the t2000's |
| 12:17.46 | cpufreak | which I'm benchmarking lots of storage with, is using dladm to create an active/active aggregated link |
| 12:17.48 | hali | i think we bought 8 of them but they where to slow |
| 12:17.58 | cpufreak | and its quite happy writing at 140mbytes/sec |
| 12:18.02 | hali | they are very niche machines |
| 12:18.03 | cpufreak | to some storage |
| 12:19.46 | tripitaka | has anyone had any luck with nic bonding in linux? |
| 12:19.47 | bilarh | damn, 140mbytes / sec over the network :D |
| 12:20.07 | hali | tripitaka: for failover it works fine yes... |
| 12:20.13 | tripitaka | I've tried three RH machines, all of which panic |
| 12:20.26 | bilarh | i didn't use to get that much to a SAN with a 6900 |
| 12:20.34 | cpufreak | yeh |
| 12:20.37 | hali | tripitaka: we use bonding on rhel4/centos4 machines and have never had any issues.. but just failver |
| 12:20.39 | cpufreak | T2000s are fantastic for generating IO |
| 12:20.50 | cpufreak | s#IO#I/O# |
| 12:20.53 | tripitaka | hali I was using load balancing, I'll try failover, thanks |
| 12:21.08 | cpufreak | tripitaka: if you were doing load balancing, was it to two seperate switches? |
| 12:21.09 | hali | our j2ee app is slower on the t2000 than on a single proc p4 :) |
| 12:21.12 | cpufreak | coz that wont work |
| 12:21.18 | tripitaka | cpufreak: yes |
| 12:21.25 | tripitaka | trunked switches |
| 12:21.32 | cpufreak | if you want to have active/active it needs to be on the same switch |
| 12:21.45 | tripitaka | really? |
| 12:22.07 | cpufreak | and if linuxes bonding is like solaris 10's aggregation you'll want to configure LACP on the switch ports |
| 12:22.21 | cpufreak | certainly from my experience yes |
| 12:22.23 | bilarh | why is that actually? |
| 12:22.26 | tripitaka | no switch redundancy then, just NIC redundancy and higher throughput |
| 12:22.40 | cpufreak | no, so you create two bonds |
| 12:22.45 | cpufreak | so have two interfaces on switch1 |
| 12:22.48 | cpufreak | and two on switch2 |
| 12:22.52 | bilarh | is it because the switches understand ip? |
| 12:23.00 | cpufreak | and active/passive between those bonds |
| 12:23.02 | bilarh | as in they get confused by seeing partial traffic? |
| 12:23.10 | bilarh | would it work if you had dumb ethernet switches? :) |
| 12:23.39 | cpufreak | no, I believe its because their cam tables get horribly confused |
| 12:24.02 | cpufreak | because the mac address will keep bouncing between them pretty much |
| 12:24.12 | hali | it works if the switches support stack wide lacp .. |
| 12:24.45 | tripitaka | hmm. I suppose even in a trunked vlan, the two switches would maintain their own arp / mac tables |
| 12:24.48 | bilarh | anyway, lunchie munchie? |
| 12:24.51 | cpufreak | in theory. |
| 12:24.57 | cpufreak | doesn't work on our 6500s |
| 12:24.58 | bilarh | no, in practice, please |
| 12:24.59 | hali | like cisco 3750's, some 3coms and some HP (2524 and up) |
| 12:25.02 | bilarh | theory is no good for my tummy |
| 12:25.08 | cpufreak | lunch would be good |
| 12:25.18 | cpufreak | I still feel very rough from last night in the pub |
| 12:25.30 | bilarh | bah, you just need some salt and fat :) |
| 12:25.49 | cpufreak | I need sleep |
| 12:25.50 | hali | so back to the pub then? :) |
| 12:26.00 | cpufreak | hmm :D |
| 12:26.22 | bilarh | hali: yes, good idea... another beer usually does wonders actually, if you can get past the vomit reflex of the first couple of gulps |
| 12:26.36 | bilarh | i need to be less graphical |
| 12:26.52 | tripitaka | read a piece by a Russian on how to drink a whole bottle of vodka and be 'alright'. Always neck your shots, have some bacon between each drink, and get up at 4am for a beer. |
| 12:27.24 | bilarh | hehe, there's no way i'd get up at 4am if i had a bottle of vodka |
| 12:27.29 | bilarh | unless i hadn't gone to bed |
| 12:27.35 | bilarh | which is also quite unlikely :) |
| 12:27.47 | bilarh | ah, to be 25 again :) |
| 12:28.55 | cpufreak | oh to be 21 again and not suffer hangovers |
| 12:28.55 | cpufreak | I thought for years I was immune to them |
| 12:28.55 | cpufreak | food. |
| 12:28.55 | cpufreak | lets go |
| 12:30.41 | tripitaka | hmm. Looking back, it seems I had bonding configured as 'mode=1 (active-backup)', and it still paniced the kernel. |
| 12:30.44 | tripitaka | bah |
| 12:31.33 | Blapto | I'm 19 and I don't get hangovers, wheeeee |
| 12:32.00 | Blapto | And yes, having been taught to drink by an old Russian, eat salty greasy foods along with the booze. |
| 12:32.41 | hali | tripitaka: hm, i don't even specify mode, i just set it to MASTER=bond0 and SLAVE=yes |
| 12:32.52 | tripitaka | mode=1 is default |
| 12:33.01 | tripitaka | according to http://www.linuxhorizon.ro/bonding.html |
| 12:33.09 | hali | and TYPE=bonding for the bond0 inteface |
| 12:33.12 | hali | and it just works :) |
| 12:34.12 | tripitaka | do you put anything in the modules.conf or modprobe.conf? |
| 12:35.32 | hali | alias bond0 bonding |
| 12:35.32 | hali | probeall bond0 eth2 eth3 bonding |
| 12:35.53 | hali | but im not sure if that is required |
| 12:36.54 | tripitaka | ah, it seems the default (in bonding.txty) is actually 'balance round robin' |
| 12:37.16 | tripitaka | bond0 bonding would be needed |
| 12:37.29 | tripitaka | http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/bonding/bonding.txt |
| 12:37.56 | tripitaka | hali: thanks, I'll try your configuration |
| 12:38.05 | tripitaka | right, spitalfields time. |
| 12:40.34 | hali | thai curry? |
| 12:41.30 | bilarh | when will someone invent chicken legs with no bones, damnit |
| 12:43.06 | hali | refuse food with bones |
| 12:43.18 | hali | bones belong in the kitchen |
| 12:44.59 | cpufreak | one should not have a need to use a knife at the table |
| 12:45.19 | hali | indian people got that bit right... |
| 12:45.23 | hali | one wants to eat with a spoon! |
| 12:45.40 | bilarh | actually, i thought they ate with their fingers. |
| 12:45.40 | cpufreak | asians have too |
| 12:45.47 | bilarh | that blonde bird on big brother said so |
| 12:45.49 | cpufreak | chopsticks for the win |
| 12:46.14 | hali | bilarh: racist! |
| 12:46.15 | bilarh | chopsticks are cool, but only because i can use them better than my wife :D |
| 12:46.27 | hali | im feeling greedy today, a massive katzu curry from satsuma :P |
| 12:46.34 | bilarh | hali: yeah, those pesky foreigners! |
| 12:46.43 | bilarh | oh btw, i'm swedish :) |
| 12:46.56 | hali | oh btw, i was swedish |
| 12:47.03 | bilarh | well, you still are, technically |
| 12:47.11 | murb | hali: you resigned? |
| 12:47.11 | hali | im currently applying for citizenship in sealand |
| 12:47.28 | murb | hali: haha |
| 12:47.36 | bilarh | i might claim political asylum |
| 12:47.37 | hali | resigned, was kicked out... potato potata |
| 12:48.12 | bilarh | see, sweden is nice, if you stay out of stockholm :) |
| 12:48.21 | murb | last time i was in sweden for only abou t1 hour. |
| 12:48.29 | hali | stockholm is probably the one place in sweden i can deal with |
| 12:48.30 | bilarh | however, in stockholm you have the government |
| 12:48.37 | murb | before i got to the bridge of freedom! |
| 12:48.39 | cpufreak | hali: we've vacancies in the DBA team here if you want to go back to that line of work |
| 12:48.45 | bilarh | bunch of idiots, they are |
| 12:48.48 | bilarh | mind you, they've changed now |
| 12:49.07 | hali | cpufreak: im not a dba, im a sysadmin with to much dba skills... it haunts me! |
| 12:49.29 | hali | and i tend not to get along to well with most dba's... since they don't know much about sa stuff :) |
| 12:50.15 | hali | cpufreak: let me know if you have any possitions with 30% unix, 30% storage, 30% oracle and 10% networking :) |
| 12:50.44 | cpufreak | Clara.net (my old work) will have some vacancies |
| 12:50.53 | cpufreak | but as an ISP they don't pay so hot |
| 12:51.02 | antiphase | 28-35 atm afaict |
| 12:51.18 | cpufreak | http://www.uk.clara.net/recruit/saisp.php |
| 12:51.20 | hali | not sure if i want isp work |
| 12:51.25 | hali | i enjouy financial as it is now |
| 12:51.28 | cpufreak | its good fun |
| 12:51.30 | hali | they pay alright |
| 12:51.59 | cpufreak | I miss the unpredictablness of my day to days there |
| 12:52.21 | hali | same here, i am quite bored here... just same same |
| 12:52.40 | bilarh | finance is only good if you work for a small company, though |
| 12:52.41 | cpufreak | here is good though, much more relaxing |
| 12:53.00 | hali | well, we are over 600 people and it seems to be alright |
| 12:53.01 | bilarh | i used to be bored out of my head for about 37 hours a week working in the city |
| 12:53.05 | bilarh | soul destroying |
| 12:53.38 | hali | but about 450 of those are java/mumps coders... so they are alright |
| 12:53.48 | bilarh | yeah, but you've only been that big for a couple of months, haven't you? |
| 12:54.07 | bilarh | my last work place had like 80k people spread out across the place |
| 12:54.15 | bilarh | not just in london or the uk, obviously, but still |
| 12:54.17 | bilarh | it seriously sucked |
| 12:54.36 | cpufreak | bnp paribas wasn't it? |
| 12:54.58 | bilarh | yeah *shudder* |
| 12:55.10 | hali | bilarh: from what you've told me the biggest problem in bnp was management and the core structure of how they did things... not knowing what the word "improve" ment :) |
| 12:55.22 | bilarh | yeah, but that's the thing |
| 12:55.29 | hali | "i can improve this", "no you'll just break it!!!!1one" |
| 12:55.35 | bilarh | you grow to a certain size and then it's hard to get things changed because there's too many people involved with things |
| 12:55.59 | bilarh | change management is comparably pain free here :) |
| 12:56.29 | hali | it's pretty ok here, we have this really annoying security guy (we are fcc regulated) who butts in to everything but other than that it's cool |
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| 12:57.02 | hali | cpufreak: i have to switch to fc to use multipathd right? i cant seem to find any docs for ethernet/infiniband? |
| 12:57.44 | bilarh | who are they fcc? |
| 12:57.57 | cpufreak | hmm |
| 12:58.07 | cpufreak | I asumed multipathd ~= ipmp |
| 12:58.15 | hali | bilarh: some american security wannabee thing for communications in financial transactions |
| 12:58.27 | bilarh | ah, so it's like an american fsa? :) |
| 12:58.31 | hali | yes |
| 12:58.41 | bilarh | what the hell are they hassling you for, you're a UK company, damnit :) |
| 12:59.04 | hali | bilarh: ipreo is based in the US "officially", and we have trading platforms deployed in the US |
| 12:59.17 | hali | even with ICMA we have/had lots of trading in the US |
| 12:59.25 | hali | HSBC even hosts our system in new york |
| 12:59.25 | bilarh | oh right |
| 12:59.40 | bilarh | how are your bond markets doing now the interest rates are rising? |
| 12:59.49 | hali | no idea :) |
| 12:59.52 | bilarh | ok :) |
| 13:00.03 | hali | i don't have access to the after market trading yet |
| 13:00.06 | bilarh | i'm getting a bit worried about the next rise |
| 13:00.19 | hali | btw, we had 338 billion dollars in deals in icma match 2006 :) |
| 13:00.21 | bilarh | or rather, i'd rather not have a rise in february :) |
| 13:00.30 | bilarh | cool, that's a decent turnover :) |
| 13:00.36 | hali | its ok :P |
| 13:00.37 | hali | new record |
| 13:01.07 | morsing | Nice |
| 13:01.29 | bilarh | hrm... decisions, decisions |
| 13:01.36 | bilarh | new gearbox, or holiday with the wife? :) |
| 13:02.34 | hali | holiday! you boyricer! |
| 13:02.38 | cpufreak | how broken is the current gearbox? |
| 13:02.46 | hali | perfect condition |
| 13:02.52 | bilarh | not at all, i just want the whine of a straight cut box :) |
| 13:03.03 | cpufreak | I'd go for holiday with the wife, and then ask her for a gearbox for your birthday :P |
| 13:03.11 | hali | "straight cut box", filth! |
| 13:03.36 | hali | i need grub |
| 13:03.40 | hali | l8er |
| 13:03.56 | bilarh | some pr0n down this page: http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/p/products/drivetrain :) |
| 13:05.15 | cpufreak | I'm just lucky the CSL is pretty much premodded |
| 13:05.22 | cpufreak | there's not much I want to do to it |
| 13:05.54 | bilarh | yeah, they're pretty cool apparently :) |
| 13:06.06 | cpufreak | with the S4 I had before I ended up spending a fortune upgraded suspension, brakes, engine, intercoolers, exhaust, downpipes, software |
| 13:06.13 | cpufreak | and then the turbos blew :\ |
| 13:06.22 | bilarh | ok, i know i will sound like a freak, but i've never been in a bmw (of any kind), ever :) |
| 13:06.48 | bilarh | hrm... i'm looking to upgrade the wrx to about 350bhp i think |
| 13:06.57 | cpufreak | lol |
| 13:06.59 | bilarh | or it should be not too expensive to get to that stage |
| 13:07.08 | cpufreak | will take you for a spin someday |
| 13:07.12 | bilarh | but then i don't know how unreliable it is :) |
| 13:07.25 | bilarh | yeah cool :) |
| 13:07.44 | cpufreak | less is more |
| 13:07.46 | bilarh | i'm doing it all on a budget as well of course, which makes it a bit more "interesting", shall we say :) |
| 13:07.49 | cpufreak | in my experience |
| 13:08.20 | cpufreak | as if you push things in the engine more than about 15% it gets rapidly expensive |
| 13:08.21 | bilarh | the basic problem with it is that it's completely lardy anyway, and it understeers everywhere :) |
| 13:08.31 | cpufreak | fatter rear roll bar? |
| 13:08.33 | bilarh | well, maybe with NA engines :) |
| 13:08.47 | bilarh | or skinnier driver? :) |
| 13:08.47 | bilarh | but yeah, the arb is on the list |
| 13:08.48 | cpufreak | no, that was on the audi |
| 13:08.50 | bilarh | as are droplinks etc |
| 13:09.06 | bilarh | damn, how much was it pushing as standard? |
| 13:09.13 | cpufreak | audi was 265 standard |
| 13:09.25 | bilarh | hmm.. what did you have to change then? |
| 13:09.32 | bilarh | i'm going to do the following: |
| 13:09.39 | cpufreak | was 350-370 depending on what settings I chose |
| 13:09.54 | bilarh | sti intercooler or fmic, depending on how stealth i want it |
| 13:10.17 | cpufreak | umm, I just changed software, intercoolers, airintake, fitted a full milltek system witih race cats and downpipes, bigger injectors |
| 13:10.21 | cpufreak | and I was thinking about bigger turbos |
| 13:10.25 | bilarh | ported headers, decat up-pipe, sports cat down pipe, decat centre section and the standard backbox for oem look (it will probably lose me a bit of power) |
| 13:10.31 | bilarh | new injectors and fuelpump |
| 13:10.44 | bilarh | td05 turbo |
| 13:10.47 | bilarh | air filter |
| 13:10.57 | bilarh | i have to go open filter if i get the fmic, so not too sure i want that |
| 13:11.16 | bilarh | that and an ecutek remap should set me back about 2000 + a little and see at least past 330 |
| 13:12.28 | bilarh | don't know how much power a stock wrx block will take either :) |
| 13:12.29 | cpufreak | with a td05 you should be getting more than 330 |
| 13:12.40 | bilarh | yeah, hopefully : |
| 13:12.42 | cpufreak | I'm pretty sure thats the turbo a friend has on his ibiza |
| 13:12.54 | cpufreak | and he's runing 480-520bhp |
| 13:13.00 | bilarh | i'm actually hoping for more like 350, but 330 should definitely be achievable |
| 13:13.07 | bilarh | ah, but is he on a 16g td05 |
| 13:13.08 | bilarh | ? |
| 13:13.29 | bilarh | the 20g is good for over 400, but then it doesn't spool up to about 3800rpm, which is a bit too slow for me :) |
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| 13:13.45 | bilarh | ideally i'd like to keep the td04 which spools from about 2800 :) |
| 13:13.49 | cpufreak | :) |
| 13:14.01 | cpufreak | his first upgrade was an IHI VF34 |
| 13:14.06 | cpufreak | then he moved to a PE1820 |
| 13:14.07 | morsing | serris_! |
| 13:14.09 | morsing | New fence, complete incl delivery and VAT, £70 |
| 13:14.09 | bilarh | aha, i've been looking at that too |
| 13:14.15 | morsing | FUCKKCSCKSVLDSL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:14.20 | cpufreak | now is on the Mitsubishi turbo |
| 13:14.31 | bilarh | the vf34 that is... fantastic spool apparently, but limited at about 330 apparently |
| 13:14.55 | bilarh | oh well, 350 would do me fine, i think |
| 13:15.05 | bilarh | if it's not too laggy |
| 13:15.23 | bilarh | i've started to think that a lower power, lower lag car might be faster on the road |
| 13:15.34 | bilarh | if you're not doing top speed runs on the motorway :) |
| 13:15.42 | bilarh | erm, i mean airfield, of course :) |
| 13:16.06 | goibhniu | morsing: I'll go halves with you ... I need some fence to throw at cars |
| 13:18.38 | bilarh | goibhniu: shut it, you ;) |
| 13:19.33 | bilarh | it will cost me at least 100 to sort the bloody dent out already |
| 13:19.39 | bilarh | so i'm not gonna bother |
| 13:19.45 | bilarh | it's the father in laws car anyway :) |
| 13:20.03 | goibhniu | bilarh: go choke on your crankshaft |
| 13:21.05 | morsing | goibhniu: Why? |
| 13:23.09 | goibhniu | morsing: because flying fences are an act of god |
| 13:23.31 | cpufreak | henrik: http://badger-5.com/bin/Dyno/Badger%205%20RR%20Run-small.jpg |
| 13:23.33 | bilarh | they are not! |
| 13:23.40 | Blapto | Yes, but it's not his insurance, it's someone else's |
| 13:24.14 | bilarh | but i'm up for renewal soon so i don't want the claim :) |
| 13:24.18 | Blapto | If I set up a big rickety fence that fell on your head and maimed you, you could sue me. |
| 13:24.25 | bilarh | anyway, FIL said it was ok, because it's an old car anyway |
| 13:24.59 | cpufreak | how nice a dent is it? |
| 13:25.02 | cpufreak | is it rounded |
| 13:25.09 | cpufreak | if so dent devils can probably pop it out. |
| 13:25.18 | bilarh | cpufreak: nice one! nice flat torque curve :) |
| 13:25.29 | cpufreak | thats from a 1.8T ibiza |
| 13:25.38 | cpufreak | 480bhp from a 1.8 makes me laugh |
| 13:25.48 | bilarh | cpu: well, yeah it is kind of rounded, but it's at the top end of the left front wing (is that what it's called? |
| 13:25.50 | bilarh | ) |
| 13:26.02 | bilarh | just where the wing turns into a bonnet :) |
| 13:26.08 | cpufreak | http://badger-5.com/bin/Dyno/Badger%205%20RR%20Run.JPG |
| 13:26.12 | bilarh | so i'm not sure if they can get to it without actually taking the wing off :) |
| 13:26.22 | cpufreak | otherwise I know an excellent bodyshop up in northampton |
| 13:26.34 | cpufreak | long way to go, but its a family place, run by enthusiasts |
| 13:26.40 | bilarh | ah cool |
| 13:26.56 | bilarh | i think i'll leave it this time... i should be able to polish out the scratches and the dent is not really that visible |
| 13:27.05 | Blapto | suction cup ftw! |
| 13:27.16 | bilarh | blapto: yeah, that might work :) |
| 13:27.47 | Blapto | borrow one from your local datacentre |
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| 13:28.57 | bilarh | cpufreak: is that on a 2wd or awd audi? |
| 13:29.03 | bilarh | sorry, seat :) |
| 13:29.09 | bilarh | still the same engine, i suppose :) |
| 13:29.22 | morsing | serris! |
| 13:29.53 | cpufreak | 2wd |
| 13:30.06 | cpufreak | he gets wheelspin in 6th |
| 13:30.14 | bilarh | damn :) |
| 13:30.18 | cpufreak | in the dry |
| 13:30.27 | bilarh | what does he do with all the power? :-O |
| 13:30.35 | cpufreak | but races in the castle coombe saloon car championship |
| 13:30.47 | bilarh | but if he can't put the power down, what's the point? :) |
| 13:30.54 | cpufreak | which is why he's gone fron ~350->~400->~500 in the last yeare |
| 13:31.23 | cpufreak | he can put the power down when he runs his track wheels |
| 13:31.32 | bilarh | ah, i see |
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| 13:32.40 | bilarh | oh well, sometimes i wonder what the point is with modifying cars anyway |
| 13:32.47 | cpufreak | :) |
| 13:32.49 | bilarh | i need some driver mods really, not more power :) |
| 13:32.54 | cpufreak | I've one modification planned for the CSL |
| 13:33.22 | bilarh | hey how much do you pay for insurance? |
| 13:33.40 | cpufreak | full brakes from a 911 GT3 MK2...380mm disks with 6 pot calipers on the front |
| 13:33.42 | bilarh | i want to know before I get in it and want one myself :) |
| 13:33.48 | bilarh | ah nice :) |
| 13:33.57 | bilarh | i just went for the 335mm kit for the scooby |
| 13:34.03 | bilarh | not porsche of course, godspeed :) |
| 13:34.09 | bilarh | does the trick for my braking needs |
| 13:34.16 | bilarh | seeing as it's never seen a track anyway :) |
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| 13:35.13 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: |
| 13:35.19 | goibhniu | dick_turpin! |
| 13:35.29 | goibhniu | the scandal!! |
| 13:35.43 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 13:35.59 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I know them voodoo curses are leathal |
| 13:36.21 | goibhniu | I've never heard of anything like it |
| 13:37.22 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: As I said I'm shocked I know nothing about the guy who done the dirty but surley he is not a moron? |
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| 13:37.38 | goibhniu | can you imagine gnome folks patching bugs into kde source? |
| 13:38.14 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: But from how I read it he deliberatley sabotaged the project!! |
| 13:38.16 | goibhniu | of all the rivalry in open source I never heard of such sabotage ... from a forum admin too! |
| 13:38.36 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Oops your too quick for me |
| 13:39.12 | morsing | serris_! |
| 13:39.19 | dick_turpin | morsing: |
| 13:39.50 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I wonder if he has any direct input to compiz I mean code wise? |
| 13:42.34 | goibhniu | I gather he was just a forum admin who got riled by too many jibes at compiz ... but I've never heard anyone give out about compiz really, just it's more stable and has less bling |
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| 13:43.11 | goibhniu | probably an ex mac user |
| 13:45.19 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: He must be dim to leave a trail that could be traced back, I know on the TV you see them finding people dead easy but I doubt Beryl has those sort of resources? |
| 13:50.19 | dick_turpin | Just incase anyone is wondering what goibhniu and I are talking about http://blog.beryl-project.org/?p=23 |
| 13:53.16 | boudiccas | sheesh! what a mess |
| 13:54.08 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: You look OK to me ;-) |
| 13:54.21 | boudiccas | :PPPPPPPPPPPPPPP |
| 13:55.01 | boudiccas | damage control worked well |
| 13:55.29 | goibhniu | yeah .. it's a good thing they had backups this time :D |
| 13:55.57 | boudiccas | you make it sound like theydidn't before? |
| 13:56.43 | goibhniu | they lost a hard drive a few months back .. and lost a few things with it ... bugs db and forum |
| 13:57.01 | boudiccas | ah i see |
| 13:57.37 | goibhniu | somehow while that was happening the saboteur got hold of some account details which he used to wipe everything this time |
| 13:57.48 | goibhniu | conniving! |
| 13:57.53 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: But did you notice that it was when the crash happend it opened the server to him |
| 13:58.09 | boudiccas | obviolusly didmt know about the backups else he'd have wiped them too |
| 13:58.30 | morsing | Check it! |
| 13:58.59 | dick_turpin | I've cursed him by the way |
| 13:59.04 | goibhniu | sounds like a fairly feeble minded attempt to cause havoc |
| 13:59.28 | goibhniu | good on ya dick_turpin ... something about his children and bald patches I hope |
| 13:59.40 | gw280 | MOOOOOOO |
| 14:00.31 | boudiccas | what is 'beryl' though? |
| 14:00.34 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: But why? its like them stupid idiots who phone and say nothing what are they acheiving I mean its not as tho you can tell anyone so whats the point? |
| 14:00.38 | gw280 | boudiccas: really shit. |
| 14:00.52 | dick_turpin | I curse gw280 |
| 14:02.00 | morsing | I spit on gw280 |
| 14:02.30 | boudiccas | my question remains. what is 'beryl'? |
| 14:02.48 | bilarh | some open gl environment, i think |
| 14:03.04 | bilarh | http://www.beryl-project.org |
| 14:03.09 | boudiccas | ah ty |
| 14:03.29 | gw280 | it's a compositing window manager for X |
| 14:03.30 | gw280 | and it sucks |
| 14:03.32 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: I'd say he stumbled across the account details and felt obliged to do something with them as a "rival" ... weirdo |
| 14:03.39 | dick_turpin | you sod, my arthritus wont let me type that fast |
| 14:04.15 | dick_turpin | I double curse gw280 |
| 14:04.17 | goibhniu | boudiccas: a fork of compiz ... wobbly windows, cube etc |
| 14:04.46 | boudiccas | ah, ty |
| 14:05.19 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: But what I dont get is 1. why? 2. how was he going to bask in the glory? |
| 14:08.28 | goibhniu | I assume he was hoping it would slow them down a bit? |
| 14:09.23 | goibhniu | and everyone would switch to compiz and say that beryl is the suck and compiz++ |
| 14:10.06 | goibhniu | and when he'd tell his great grand children about the wobbly wars, he'd say he did his bit, and the good side won |
| 14:10.10 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: So much for the friendly opensource community then? |
| 14:11.13 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: it's a community composed of humans ... I guess it's to be expected |
| 14:13.09 | goibhniu | it would be really weird if it was a more common occurrence though |
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| 14:13.45 | robo_ro | goibhnui: I propose a community of bots then! |
| 14:15.05 | boudiccas | I'll bot for that> where do you want my bot placed? |
| 14:16.10 | bilarh | my god, i just had this horrible thought |
| 14:16.14 | goibhniu | trousers_: how's that coming along anyway? |
| 14:16.28 | bilarh | i remember irc'ing back in the 90's and now it's bloody 2007 |
| 14:16.31 | bilarh | what's going on? |
| 14:16.52 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I god yes but what he did was a bit more seriuos than slag somebody off as was said on the blog he could have ended up in court now I don't class that as poor judgement |
| 14:17.05 | boudiccas | bilarh; have you just woken up? :) |
| 14:17.32 | bilarh | boudiccas: nah, i'm just having my weekly age chrisis :) |
| 14:17.35 | bilarh | crisis? |
| 14:17.46 | bilarh | csschrischis |
| 14:18.00 | morsing | Beer |
| 14:18.19 | boudiccas | bilarh; don't let us stop you doing something that you obviously enjoy so much :) |
| 14:18.39 | bilarh | no i wasn't drinking beer :) |
| 14:20.40 | bilarh | on a positive side note, i'm starting kung-fu training today |
| 14:20.48 | bilarh | haiiiiiii-yah! |
| 14:20.50 | boudiccas | bilarh; needs an injiection of monkey glands |
| 14:21.05 | boudiccas | you'll feel worse tomorrow then :) |
| 14:21.23 | bilarh | probably |
| 14:21.36 | hali | bilarh: so you want me to tell the group about your stag part? :) |
| 14:21.39 | hali | party* |
| 14:21.43 | bilarh | i'm going to a Wing-tsun class |
| 14:21.51 | bilarh | hali: they're going to know it sooner or later |
| 14:21.58 | hali | hehe |
| 14:22.03 | hali | i'll tell it down the pub some day |
| 14:22.14 | bilarh | if i could chose, i'd chose later, but just leave out the "riding around in town on top of a car naked" bit :) |
| 14:22.28 | bilarh | it was good fun |
| 14:22.33 | bilarh | i think, but my memory is a bit hazy |
| 14:22.36 | hali | and the bit where your mother asked if you needed to go to the hospital? |
| 14:22.38 | hali | :) |
| 14:22.40 | bilarh | it might just be a figment of my imagination :) |
| 14:22.59 | bilarh | that bit never happened |
| 14:23.21 | bilarh | hmm... time for a coffee |
| 14:23.30 | bilarh | i haven't had a cup for ... well, at least five minutes now |
| 14:25.09 | hali | im off coffee for a while, got a sore throat... sticking to mild tea |
| 14:25.25 | bilarh | i can't do it :) |
| 14:25.37 | bilarh | mind you, the good thing about being ill is that you're allowed to drink lemsip |
| 14:25.45 | bilarh | lemsip is good++ |
| 14:26.31 | bilarh | speaking of which, does anyone else get horrible pains in their kidnies when drinking it? |
| 14:29.59 | hali | only when drinking vodka by the gallons |
| 14:37.02 | morsing | Tea is disgusting |
| 14:37.09 | bilarh | hmm, according to multimap i should be able to drive to work in about 50 minutes |
| 14:37.16 | bilarh | how accurate is it? :) |
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| 14:42.16 | mumperer | Hi |
| 14:44.01 | goibhniu | hey mumperer |
| 14:44.08 | morsing | Hey murderer |
| 14:44.19 | mumperer | 1 Have reinstalled xsane and xsane common |
| 14:44.20 | mumperer | 2 launched gimp |
| 14:44.20 | mumperer | 3 file/acquire/xsane/device dialogue gives |
| 14:44.20 | mumperer | Failed to open device "snapscan:libusb:004:002": invalid argument, then |
| 14:44.20 | mumperer | 4 file/acquire/xsane/snapscan:libusb:004:002 |
| 14:44.20 | mumperer | gives same result |
| 14:44.20 | murb | isn't that a cluster mailthing? |
| 14:44.34 | morsing | murb! |
| 14:44.50 | murb | moosing! |
| 14:45.11 | goibhniu | mumperer: hmm ... have you tried starting xsane from the terminal as root? |
| 14:47.02 | mumperer | I may have boobood - err, um. However, I responded to this morning's advice with the above results. Starting xsane from root? i received a heavy warning logo that to do so would be similar to trusting Tony Blair - so desisted. Was I needlessly chicken? |
| 14:47.40 | goibhniu | yeah, it's only there to frighten you :D |
| 14:48.01 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 14:49.04 | mumperer | Yeah, that's all very well O flier over mountains, but still I ask - is it safe/wise. Or is it back to my courting days ... |
| 14:49.16 | goibhniu | mumperer: if you know it'll work as root then that's the hard part done with |
| 14:50.33 | goibhniu | I don't know how naughty it is ... but I've done it lots and I'm still here ... I assume it's just because running stuff as root is bad practice, but since it may be loading firmware too maybe it's a little extra bad |
| 14:51.23 | mumperer | OK, such humour I cannot resist. I shall now depart and do those things here - any resultant black clouds over SE England will be nowt to do with me! Bye! |
| 14:51.40 | goibhniu | good bye mumperer ... and good luck |
| 14:51.47 | *** part/#gllug mumperer (n=donald@rose963.demon.co.uk) |
| 15:34.52 | wethrin | morsing: pong? |
| 15:34.56 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 15:35.05 | morsing | What's happening with the serial consoles? |
| 15:35.53 | wethrin | Ask on #bluelinux. Basically, their end of the console has a DB9 connector |
| 15:36.00 | wethrin | Err. DE9 |
| 15:37.15 | antiphase | wtf is DE9? |
| 15:39.02 | wethrin | The connector |
| 15:39.10 | wethrin | D-type, 9-pin, E-size shell |
| 15:40.52 | morsing | Minor error in Netiq |
| 15:40.52 | antiphase | Ah, pedantry :) |
| 15:41.06 | morsing | wethrin: But they're supplying mine, right? |
| 15:41.10 | morsing | dsjrfvjrekfea! |
| 15:41.23 | wethrin | antiphase: Indeed :) |
| 15:41.31 | wethrin | morsing: I don't know. Are they? |
| 15:46.22 | morsing | wethrin: That's what they told me |
| 15:46.43 | wethrin | In which case, I'd believe them |
| 15:46.58 | wethrin | They're not supplying mine, because they don't have one with an RJ45 end |
| 15:47.19 | wethrin | If they can't supply one for you, I don't mind making one up |
| 15:52.27 | morsing | Well, when are they going to do it? |
| 15:58.00 | wethrin | Ask them :) |
| 15:59.22 | morsing | No - you do it! |
| 15:59.38 | morsing | wethrin: What happened to evangineer? |
| 15:59.43 | morsing | ~seen evangineer |
| 15:59.58 | ibot | evangineer <~evanginee@spc1-seve3-4-0-cust230.asfd.broadband.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 688d 20h 29m 11s ago, saying: 'headset (if you use voip), health/medical insurance that's valid in Israel, medical supplies'. |
| 15:59.59 | wethrin | Now that you mention it, I don't know |
| 16:00.06 | wethrin | 2 years! |
| 16:00.09 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 16:00.16 | morsing | Has he been to any meetings? |
| 16:00.20 | wethrin | no... |
| 16:00.41 | morsing | Have you? |
| 16:00.48 | wethrin | A few |
| 16:01.01 | morsing | Nice |
| 16:05.07 | morsing | http://www.myspace.com/ukwoodie |
| 16:07.03 | morsing | Nice |
| 16:07.04 | wethrin | OLPC? |
| 16:07.06 | Leeds | gw280: they're cute... very cute |
| 16:07.17 | morsing | On-Line Processing Counter |
| 16:07.25 | gw280 | wethrin: one laptop per child |
| 16:07.34 | gw280 | Leeds: yeah, I'm invading Rob McQueen's office |
| 16:07.45 | wethrin | mmm |
| 16:07.57 | gw280 | I'll have my camera |
| 16:08.37 | Leeds | lots of pics under flickr tag lca2007 |
| 16:08.38 | gw280 | I saw the new N800 yesterday |
| 16:08.40 | gw280 | it's quite nice |
| 16:08.46 | Leeds | saw them at lca too :-) |
| 16:08.52 | wethrin | ~change 1 USD to GBP |
| 16:08.58 | wethrin | ~change 1 GBP to USD |
| 16:09.10 | gw280 | that really sucks |
| 16:09.24 | gw280 | I hope it gets better for summer of code :) |
| 16:12.00 | gw280 | lalala |
| 16:12.16 | gw280 | note to self: learn Xen |
| 16:13.49 | SlayerXP | xen's neat |
| 16:13.53 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 16:13.56 | wethrin | yes? |
| 16:13.57 | morsing | Xen rocks! |
| 16:14.01 | SlayerXP | though the networking is in many ways sheer voodoo |
| 16:14.09 | SlayerXP | !seen rhow |
| 16:14.11 | SlayerXP | !seen rhowe |
| 16:14.12 | morsing | Except you can only run the same OS all over |
| 16:14.19 | Leeds | ~seen rhowe |
| 16:14.22 | ibot | rhowe is currently on #gllug. Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 4h 8m 2s, last said: 'http://search.ebay.co.uk/msc-napoli_W0QQfromZR40'. |
| 16:14.29 | Leeds | morsing: what do you mean? |
| 16:14.30 | morsing | wethrin: How do I search trough emails in mutt? |
| 16:14.44 | wethrin | Bodies, or subjects/senders? |
| 16:14.57 | morsing | Leeds: It's only supported to install guest OSs that's the same as the Dom) |
| 16:14.59 | morsing | Dom0 |
| 16:15.05 | morsing | wethrin: Bodies |
| 16:15.19 | wethrin | Err. Don't know. |
| 16:15.27 | wethrin | I use maildir, so I just use grep |
| 16:16.55 | SlayerXP | morsing: the xen website shows bsd guests running under linux dom0 |
| 16:17.00 | Leeds | morsing: are you sure about that? |
| 16:18.45 | morsing | Well, it is overly complicated doing it. It's not running it, it's installing it that's the problem |
| 16:19.10 | morsing | Like Debian has a script for installing domUs. SuSE the same |
| 16:19.25 | morsing | But installing BSD under Debian? Crap! |
| 16:19.38 | morsing | Or even SuSE under Debian |
| 16:29.16 | Leeds | ibot change 1 gbp to usd |
| 16:29.18 | hali | vmware vi3 ... works like a charm |
| 16:29.40 | Leeds | is 2:1 really too much to ask for? |
| 16:29.51 | wethrin | Give it another couple of days |
| 16:30.21 | Leeds | more on principle than anything else, since my life is effectively in USD nowadays anyway |
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| 16:36.27 | wethrin | ~change 89.95 USD to GBP |
| 16:54.09 | rhowe | Leeds? |
| 17:06.27 | keithlard | morsing> 'l' to limit the view and then enter '~b foo' as the search expression |
| 17:06.32 | keithlard | (body contains 'foo') |
| 17:38.33 | robo_ro | keef: yay... thanks for the tip... I knew how to search, but I didn't know about limit! wooo that rocks |
| 17:42.25 | murb | rhowe: for that do they replace the laptop when it gets lost? |
| 17:42.33 | rhowe | murb: nfi |
| 17:42.48 | rhowe | murb: It should be pretty tough to lose - it's probably going to be the only thing in the van |
| 17:50.16 | wethrin | rhowe: how much is the laptop worth? |
| 17:53.55 | bilarh | how do I stop a redhat es4 install from going into that weird "curses in framebuffer" mode? |
| 17:54.10 | bilarh | must be possible to pass a kernel option, no? |
| 18:15.31 | hali | bilarh: nofb |
| 18:15.33 | bilarh | anyone? :) |
| 18:15.39 | bilarh | ah good timing :) |
| 18:15.39 | hali | i think |
| 18:15.49 | bilarh | just as i pressed enter you replied, how funny :) |
| 18:20.20 | robo_ro | i'm off to drink beer |
| 18:20.42 | wethrin | mmm.....beer |
| 18:20.47 | robo_ro | byeeeeee |
| 18:20.55 | *** part/#gllug robo_ro (n=robo_ro@82-70-146-30.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 18:21.05 | wethrin | goibhniu: I think the stories are sufficiently old that they're public domain |
| 18:21.17 | wethrin | However, each individual performance would be copyrighted, were it recorded |
| 18:22.04 | goibhniu | I'd hope it was like that really... but I can't find any reference to it |
| 18:23.01 | wethrin | Ask a copyright lawyer |
| 18:23.17 | wethrin | Of course, the songs that they use tend to be copyrighted |
| 18:25.20 | goibhniu | it's just for background material for a film ... it should be fine to use the characters names I assume e.g. aladdin |
| 18:25.53 | wethrin | ~change 1 GBP to USD |
| 18:26.00 | wethrin | yes, that should be fine |
| 18:26.10 | goibhniu | I believe disney holds copyright for snow white and cinderella ... but I don't know what that means |
| 18:26.26 | goibhniu | actually they have an aladdin too .. hmm |
| 18:27.57 | wethrin | Um. They hold the copyright on their films |
| 18:28.03 | wethrin | Not the stories, which are *much* older |
| 18:28.13 | wethrin | Isn't Cinderella a Brothers Grimm story? |
| 18:28.58 | goibhniu | yeah ... I think there was something funny about how they relicenced all the brothers grimm stuff ... I must look into it .. Lawrence Lessig was on about it |
| 18:31.00 | goibhniu | ahh ... I see .. it's just that they used the brothers grimm stories but no-one could do the same with e.g. mickey mouse |
| 18:36.30 | rhowe | wethrin: About 3x what it cost to post |
| 18:37.14 | wethrin | hmm. That's still quite a hight postage thingy |
| 18:37.21 | wethrin | Anyway. Is PE worth £24/year? |
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| 19:27.51 | trousers_ | Yoho! |
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| 19:40.38 | trousers_ | There hasn't been a GLLUG meeting for over a month :( |
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| 19:53.19 | dick_turpin | boudiccas, |
| 19:53.45 | boudiccas | uhnm |
| 19:54.00 | dick_turpin | guess what I had for tea? |
| 19:54.07 | boudiccas | sausages |
| 19:54.13 | dick_turpin | :-) |
| 19:54.30 | trousers_ | Good ol' sausages |
| 19:54.40 | boudiccas | guess what i'm eating now? |
| 19:54.41 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: community slaves! |
| 19:55.12 | boudiccas | a clue - its fried |
| 19:55.30 | dick_turpin | goibhniu, what was that all abot? |
| 19:55.39 | dick_turpin | about even |
| 19:56.02 | dick_turpin | boudiccas, They was a bit burnt tho |
| 19:56.03 | goibhniu | thats' what we need for that type of thing (sabotage) |
| 19:56.20 | boudiccas | tut tut |
| 19:56.34 | dick_turpin | goibhniu, You subversive you |
| 19:56.42 | goibhniu | slavery is a great system as long as it's not abused |
| 19:56.56 | trousers_ | And if I'm at the top :) |
| 19:57.02 | dick_turpin | boudiccas, I like burnt |
| 19:57.23 | goibhniu | no need for police and as long as you can earn your way out and everyone starts at the middle it's fine |
| 19:57.29 | dick_turpin | goibhniu, You cant say things like that, is'nt BB in enough trouble |
| 19:58.01 | goibhniu | I honestly think it's a better system than prisons, police etc |
| 19:58.07 | goibhniu | and lawyers |
| 19:58.21 | goibhniu | but it would work online too |
| 19:58.22 | dick_turpin | goibhniu, What Slavery? |
| 19:58.59 | goibhniu | if that eejit had to do something boring like weed out spam from the beryl forums for a year ... he could earn his respect back and provide a valuable service |
| 19:59.47 | dick_turpin | goibhniu, Ah, I think he has irrevocably blotted his copy book |
| 20:00.25 | goibhniu | I mean he's not all bad ... he's playing the right game ... just got confused about the objectives |
| 20:00.35 | goibhniu | he should have a way back in |
| 20:00.53 | goibhniu | imagine if you woke up and discovered you had done something stoopid like that ... it would be terrible |
| 20:01.39 | goibhniu | if your forum avatar had a shameful reminder and you were passed menial tasks for a while until you made good ... the community would be better off |
| 20:02.00 | dick_turpin | goibhniu, No not as far as I'm concerned because he tainted compiz by his actions and even though he is not directly connected everyone will say "That Compiz guy" |
| 20:02.45 | goibhniu | exactly ... so if it was "the compiz guy" who was helping out with all the boring stuff he'd be ok again |
| 20:03.13 | trousers_ | Which "compiz guy"? |
| 20:03.45 | dick_turpin | I think its that lofty ideal "Trust" and once its abused you very rarely get it back |
| 20:04.07 | goibhniu | trousers_: some forum admin from compiz deleted the beryl dbs |
| 20:04.19 | trousers_ | Ouch. |
| 20:04.32 | goibhniu | he found the account details when the beryl team's harddrive failed the last time |
| 20:04.43 | dick_turpin | goibhniu, Mind you have to admire his full and frank admission |
| 20:04.43 | trousers_ | And I still can't find any projects that suit my needs, even though I want to develop :( |
| 20:04.47 | goibhniu | he apologised and resigned |
| 20:04.57 | goibhniu | exactly ... he's not a bad guy |
| 20:05.12 | goibhniu | he's been doing good work, just got a bit too involved with it |
| 20:05.28 | goibhniu | trousers_: SWORDFISH!! |
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| 20:05.52 | goibhniu | trousers_: swordfish needs you!! |
| 20:05.54 | trousers_ | Swordfish? |
| 20:06.22 | goibhniu | it involves a heap loads of acronyms and everybody will get excited about it |
| 20:06.26 | dick_turpin | goibhniu, Whoa thats a bit sweeping thats like saying Hitler banished unemployment created the first true motorways he just got a bot over zealous in his race relations ;-) |
| 20:06.36 | goibhniu | it just needs a trousers_ to get things moving |
| 20:07.05 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: I'd nearly go along with that |
| 20:07.32 | goibhniu | it was an irish guy who invented concentration camps on behalf of the brits in the boar war |
| 20:08.19 | dick_turpin | goibhniu, I knew that, and did you know it was us who invented the yellow star in the middle ages? |
| 20:08.38 | goibhniu | yellow star? |
| 20:08.51 | boudiccas | it was the italians who invented the motorway |
| 20:09.16 | dick_turpin | yes to denominate a jewish person |
| 20:09.23 | goibhniu | ahh |
| 20:09.40 | boudiccas | http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/made4giving/ what is carrying the bird? |
| 20:10.17 | dick_turpin | anyway thats getting off track I think he should be publicly flogged |
| 20:10.38 | boudiccas | he should be the sysadmin for tuttle! :) |
| 20:10.39 | dick_turpin | GingerDog, you so and so |
| 20:10.46 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: flogging is ok by me too |
| 20:10.55 | dick_turpin | boudiccas, tuttle? |
| 20:11.05 | boudiccas | yes! Tuttle! |
| 20:11.14 | dick_turpin | goibhniu, I know its a dying form of entertainment |
| 20:11.34 | goibhniu | the world is gone to shite |
| 20:11.40 | boudiccas | in a basket |
| 20:11.40 | dick_turpin | boudiccas, Is that some sort of Sausage mag? |
| 20:12.30 | goibhniu | boudiccas: the hamster? |
| 20:12.31 | dick_turpin | goibhniu, What about chucking him in a pit with two or three rabid dogs? |
| 20:12.37 | GingerDog | dick_turpin: are your family freezing? |
| 20:13.00 | boudiccas | no ist a place in the states where the towns manager contacted centos to complain about his website being hacked and showing the centos apache page which shows when you've got it set up and working right, before you build your website on it |
| 20:13.15 | dick_turpin | GingerDog, Seeing as I murdered them and they are secreted in the freezer, yes! |
| 20:13.29 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: hmm ... seems a bit harse ... we'd need a vote on it |
| 20:13.34 | GingerDog | dick_turpin: excellent; as long as you're not throwing money away heating the house, that's fine :) |
| 20:13.44 | dick_turpin | boudiccas, Ah I remember that one, very funny |
| 20:13.46 | goibhniu | boudiccas: ahh! I heard about that ... hilarious!! |
| 20:14.09 | boudiccas | so its now a verb, to be tuttled or to 'tuttle' someone |
| 20:14.28 | dick_turpin | GingerDog, You know me so well I generally throw another reputation on the fire instead ;-) |
| 20:14.34 | goibhniu | trousers_: I haven't given up on you ... let me know when you're ready |
| 20:14.47 | boudiccas | come home to a real fire, buy a cottage in wales |
| 20:14.59 | wethrin | boudiccas showing her age there |
| 20:15.04 | boudiccas | lol |
| 20:15.06 | GingerDog | :) |
| 20:15.59 | dick_turpin | goibhniu, I think I can win the votes hands down remember I have the power of Voodoo |
| 20:16.24 | boudiccas | oy WETHRIN I've just relised what you were implying there! came back you ****** you |
| 20:16.42 | wethrin | muahaha |
| 20:16.48 | dick_turpin | GingerDog, I've got a new car (Well second hand actually) |
| 20:16.52 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; voodoo hoodoo? |
| 20:17.10 | GingerDog | dick_turpin: oooh; what sort? mine is being slowly replaced by a bus+bike |
| 20:17.22 | dick_turpin | boudiccas, Don't tempt the black arts ;-) |
| 20:18.47 | dick_turpin | Ford Focus 1.8 did'nt cost me a bean I'll tell you how in private sometime lets just say my employers love me really |
| 20:19.02 | GingerDog | dick_turpin: congratulations :) |
| 20:20.40 | dick_turpin | GingerDog, I took the Renault 19 to the scrapyard I nearly wet myself when I asked the bloke if he'd give me anything for it he said "Oh god yeah I'm gonna give you twenty quid"!!! |
| 20:21.02 | GingerDog | heh; that's not bad |
| 20:21.07 | GingerDog | at least he didn't charge you for it :) |
| 20:21.39 | dick_turpin | It was the way he said it as though he was giving me a grand or something |
| 20:21.55 | boudiccas | wonder how much he got for it as parts and scrap? |
| 20:23.10 | dick_turpin | boudiccas, Thats even funnier he said "Right well get that out the back and crushed out the way" he then jumped in it and whipped it through the gates and shut them very very quickly |
| 20:23.23 | boudiccas | lol |
| 20:24.29 | dick_turpin | boudiccas, I was tempted to go back a couple of days later, I expect he had it for sale it was a good car always started but the heater was broken |
| 20:24.41 | serris | hi boudiccas |
| 20:25.05 | boudiccas | remember the number, it be behind you in a traffic queue :) |
| 20:25.17 | boudiccas | serris; hiyas |
| 20:25.30 | boudiccas | * may be |
| 20:25.41 | serris | how's it going? |
| 20:25.43 | dick_turpin | boudiccas, Probably in front while it was a 1.4 it was pretty fast |
| 20:25.59 | boudiccas | serris; k, ty |
| 20:26.03 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; lol |
| 20:27.27 | serris | I'm tempted to get a Ford Escort, me mate might still have his |
| 20:27.44 | dick_turpin | boudiccas, It was such a shame but I had to shift it fast. mind you once something has out lived it usefulness its bullet in the back of the head time |
| 20:28.00 | boudiccas | :-) |
| 20:28.39 | dick_turpin | right 'She who must be obeyed' wants a brew gotta go TTFN |
| 20:29.02 | serris | boudiccas: they're bringing in a new Lean throughout all Sainsbury's. They're creating a new 'team' as well from what I understand so I think there'll be job openings |
| 20:29.23 | boudiccas | serris; good oh, as i'm still interested |
| 20:29.59 | boudiccas | serris; "they're bringing in a new Lean throughout all Sainsbury's." was that a typo for 'team'? |
| 20:32.17 | serris | no, lean |
| 20:32.18 | boudiccas | oh! |
| 20:32.18 | serris | Good question as to what it means but there are leans across the store. Produce and fresh have a lean on days and this will be the night shift lean |
| 20:32.42 | serris | It's a way to try and get everyone to do the same amount of work and make things fair throughout the shift |
| 20:32.49 | boudiccas | ah, ty |
| 20:33.06 | serris | Basically night shift have a 45 cases per hour minimum. But no one really checks |
| 20:33.20 | serris | So there are people that do less while others do 45 or more |
| 20:34.29 | serris | I'll know more about it tomorrow as our management is going on a training course on it tomorrow to the Molden store. They've had it for 2 month already as a trial and it seems to be working for them |
| 20:35.47 | boudiccas | it could mean you have to slow down then :) |
| 20:46.01 | serris | : ) |
| 22:31.54 | Leeds | good god that's a cheesy grin: http://bcmagazine.smugmug.com/gallery/2362484#123718568 |
| 22:32.51 | antiphase | Which one is the sub? |
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| 22:52.59 | livingdaylight | is openmoko available yet? |
| 22:53.17 | livingdaylight | looking for a linux type phone - any recommendations? |
| 22:55.37 | livingdaylight | is anyone alive here? |
| 22:58.48 | trousers_ | HELLO |
| 23:01.19 | Leeds | livingdaylight: developer preview next month, developer release in march, final release september-ish |
| 23:28.06 | rhowe | Leeds: You rang? |
| 23:30.07 | Leeds | rhowe: no I didn't |
| 23:30.47 | Leeds | rhowe: SlayerXP was trying to ring and getting the syntax wrong :-) |
| 23:30.47 | rhowe | well, by rang, I meant "you said "seen rhowe""? |
| 23:32.02 | Leeds | <SlayerXP> !seen rhow |
| 23:32.02 | Leeds | <SlayerXP> !seen rhowe |
| 23:32.05 | Leeds | <Leeds> ~seen rhowe |
| 23:32.39 | rhowe | ah |
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