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| 05:48.51 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 05:49.01 | Leeds | yes |
| 07:18.32 | Leeds | well, I appear to just have had my CV submitted for some Solaris admin work :-) |
| 07:33.04 | Leeds | ibot change 60000000 hkd to gbp |
| 07:33.06 | trousers_ | Eurgh. School again :( |
| 07:33.27 | Leeds | office lottery kitty :-) |
| 07:33.40 | trousers_ | I thought you were going to say your salary :P |
| 07:33.54 | Leeds | not as such, no |
| 07:36.34 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 07:36.43 | Leeds | yes |
| 07:48.56 | niv_one_three | morning |
| 07:49.19 | morsing | niv_five_seven! |
| 07:49.22 | niv_one_three | leeds: thanks for last night |
| 07:49.47 | Leeds | niv_one_three: uh, pleasure... :-) |
| 07:53.40 | niv_one_three | that whole mssenger thing. just out off curisity (speller) if a lady appears online, may I angage in conversation sevral times - untill she respond? |
| 07:54.12 | niv_one_three | (I cant use my left while monchin away) |
| 07:54.37 | Leeds | um... you mean someone you already know? |
| 07:59.18 | niv_one_three | + |
| 07:59.29 | Leeds | english, please! |
| 07:59.40 | niv_one_three | yes |
| 07:59.53 | Leeds | so you mean you see her online, you say hello, get no response? |
| 08:00.00 | niv_one_three | + (positive, means yes in army lingo in IDF sorry) |
| 08:00.11 | niv_one_three | + |
| 08:00.15 | niv_one_three | sorry |
| 08:00.17 | niv_one_three | yes |
| 08:00.49 | Leeds | ken, aval hamakom lo tzahal |
| 08:01.06 | niv_one_three | I know |
| 08:01.08 | niv_one_three | sorry |
| 08:01.19 | Leeds | 100% |
| 08:01.39 | niv_one_three | so am I suppose to repeat calling out to her? |
| 08:01.48 | murb | you can tell it is a monday morning.... |
| 08:01.48 | niv_one_three | is it romantic? |
| 08:01.50 | murb | [7129971.092803] ata4: translated ATA stat/err 0x51/84 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0xb/47/00 |
| 08:01.52 | Leeds | would you expect her to respond? |
| 08:01.53 | murb | [7129971.092852] ata4: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 08:01.55 | murb | [7129971.092890] ata4: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } |
| 08:01.57 | Leeds | murb: :-( |
| 08:02.18 | niv_one_three | leeds: she said she would have more time... |
| 08:02.28 | Leeds | I have an external drive whose firewire, at least, seems to have blown up... I haven't tried the USB or putting the drive in another machine, yet |
| 08:02.34 | niv_one_three | is this like a dead disk? |
| 08:02.53 | Leeds | niv_one_three: what I mean is, are you bugging her and she's ignoring it, or is just just busy in another window, away from the machine, etc. |
| 08:03.04 | Leeds | yes, that's a log message meaning disk error |
| 08:03.12 | murb | niv_one_three: yep forutunly it is raid, unforuntly despite being sata all this caused the other disk to freeze for a while |
| 08:03.24 | murb | i thought sata had fixed that kind of stuff :( |
| 08:04.59 | murb | oh and md++ |
| 08:04.59 | murb | [7129509.103055] raid1: Disk failure on sda2, disabling device. |
| 08:04.59 | murb | [7129509.103056] Operation continuing on 1 devices |
| 08:04.59 | murb | [7129509.103118] raid1: sdb2: redirecting sector 0 to another mirror |
| 08:05.11 | Leeds | nice |
| 08:05.58 | niv_one_three | leeds: I dont know. maybe she is ignorngme |
| 08:06.06 | niv_one_three | am I wrong to assume it? |
| 08:06.27 | Leeds | niv_one_three: anyway, there's a line... there's creepy and annoying on one side, and there's too quiet to notice on the other... if you sometimes talk and sometimes don't, you can get away with pushing more, but if you never talk and you keep trying, it's easy to go too far |
| 08:07.06 | Leeds | roll-up, roll-up, Leeds' school of online romance etiquette is now open! |
| 08:07.18 | niv_one_three | :-) |
| 08:08.10 | niv_one_three | back 2 work and monitoring this chanel |
| 08:08.13 | niv_one_three | chanell |
| 08:09.06 | Leeds | personally, I tend to hold back... too much, I'm told |
| 08:10.17 | niv_one_three | but I am more hunry dud |
| 08:11.07 | Leeds | yeah, probably |
| 08:11.58 | Leeds | hmm... past 4pm and I'm a bit hungry... no lunch (yet) |
| 08:14.01 | Leeds | need to go get food |
| 08:14.09 | murb | need to go get breakfast |
| 08:15.18 | niv_one_three | got coffee |
| 08:16.22 | murb | i should put the kettle on for tea, and the jug for my cofffee machine got smashed in the unpacking :( |
| 08:16.36 | murb | although the expresso part still functionns |
| 08:34.29 | morsing | murb! |
| 08:35.25 | sabinef72 | morning |
| 08:41.32 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 08:41.54 | morsing | sabinef72: What did you have for breakfast? |
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| 08:51.02 | SlayerXP | i just had coffee and drugs |
| 08:56.09 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
| 08:57.03 | Leeds | sabinef72: what did you have for breakfast? |
| 08:57.27 | morsing | sabinef72? |
| 08:57.30 | morsing | ibot wake sabinef72 |
| 08:57.42 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on sabinef72 and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 08:57.57 | Leeds | oi, Frenchie! |
| 08:58.23 | Leeds | nope, I think she isn't here |
| 09:13.54 | morsing | Why? |
| 09:15.30 | Leeds | you scared her off? |
| 09:16.28 | murb | has anyone booked her a thalys ticket so she can attend brussels during fosdem? |
| 09:17.50 | Leeds | good question |
| 09:18.20 | cpufreak | why cant she do that herself? |
| 09:19.07 | cpufreak | or is this payment in kind? |
| 09:19.48 | sabinef72 | sorry men I was in the pathology laboratory |
| 09:20.05 | sabinef72 | morsing: for breakfast... well like everyday a yoghourt |
| 09:20.32 | Leeds | sabinef72: no snails? |
| 09:20.47 | sabinef72 | lol |
| 09:20.57 | Leeds | frogs legs? |
| 09:21.02 | sabinef72 | do you think french people is eating snails every days and frogs legs ? |
| 09:21.34 | sabinef72 | I eat snails perhaps once a year |
| 09:21.34 | Leeds | yes, of course |
| 09:21.51 | Leeds | why so rarely? |
| 09:21.52 | sabinef72 | and frogs legs.... I think I don't eat them since 10 years |
| 09:22.04 | SlayerXP | Leeds: it's an xmas dish, usually |
| 09:22.14 | Leeds | I haven't had roast beef in a month or two :-) |
| 09:22.21 | sabinef72 | first of all, it was popular for our grandmother |
| 09:22.25 | SlayerXP | along with oysters, foi grois and really bloody meat |
| 09:22.43 | sabinef72 | when they didn't have enough to eat (during war for example), they found snails in the garden and eat them |
| 09:22.55 | sabinef72 | now it's a luxurius food |
| 09:23.21 | Leeds | morsing: yes, but you're not English |
| 09:23.27 | sabinef72 | SlayerXP: you are right, it's an xmas dish, expensive |
| 09:23.42 | sabinef72 | but french people never eat carrott cake |
| 09:25.12 | sabinef72 | ... and also no eggs in yoghourt with chili.... like morsing !!!!!!! |
| 09:25.38 | Leeds | that's a strange combination... |
| 09:26.07 | Leeds | I had gingerbread and chocolate chilli ice-cream last night, sitting watching the buildings and moon reflecting in the harbour while various boats went past |
| 09:26.20 | sabinef72 | but I have the proof ! I saw him |
| 09:29.56 | niv_one_three | back |
| 09:30.04 | niv_one_three | got new toys from th states |
| 09:30.10 | niv_one_three | :-) |
| 09:30.12 | Leeds | ooh, toys :-) |
| 09:30.21 | niv_one_three | x41 |
| 09:30.32 | niv_one_three | a remote with four ringers |
| 09:30.33 | Leeds | nice |
| 09:30.47 | niv_one_three | and a bluetooth for the x41 |
| 09:31.02 | niv_one_three | happy happy joy joy |
| 09:31.07 | niv_one_three | work work] |
| 09:39.03 | morsing | sabinef72: Mmm... Eggs in yoghurt with chilli :) |
| 09:39.22 | sabinef72 | beurkkkkkkk |
| 09:39.27 | sabinef72 | awful to see |
| 09:47.19 | morsing | http://www.morsing.cc/photos/London_Sabine_November-2006/imm001.jpg |
| 09:48.17 | Leeds | nice |
| 09:50.04 | sabinef72 | not nice... awful !!!!!!! |
| 09:57.29 | niv_one_three | WAHT? |
| 09:57.43 | niv_one_three | what (in a loud voice) |
| 09:57.51 | Leeds | niv_one_three: you talkin' to me? |
| 09:57.57 | Leeds | or to morsing? :-) |
| 09:58.05 | niv_one_three | leeds:? |
| 09:59.40 | Leeds | niv_one_three: who are you WHATing at? |
| 10:02.44 | niv_one_three | sorry thought that line ment something |
| 10:03.10 | Leeds | what line? |
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| 10:06.37 | mumperer | Hi |
| 10:08.40 | Leeds | mumperer: will you please tell niv_one_three what "Leeds wonders if he's stringing Jasmine along" means? |
| 10:10.19 | Leeds | mumperer: ? |
| 10:11.05 | Leeds | mumperer: you're useless! |
| 10:15.35 | mumperer | Hi again - yeah SWMBO says that - now, wossat about Leesds wonders? |
| 10:16.57 | mumperer | Anyway, in the emantime, my cat's all better now. |
| 10:17.58 | Leeds | good to know |
| 10:18.27 | mumperer | Yeah, now it's just me ... |
| 10:19.24 | morsing | mumperer! |
| 10:19.57 | Leeds | mumperer: so... tell niv_one_three what it means ;-) |
| 10:20.43 | mumperer | See ... and I just thought it was only SWMBO would see it - oh, and I think you're referrign to "trotting". Yes? |
| 10:21.08 | morsing | Moo Mooo mabawaa |
| 10:21.22 | Leeds | what the fsck is trotting? :-) |
| 10:21.52 | mumperer | Err um - leading up the garden path - is all. |
| 10:22.38 | mumperer | By the way, those not understanding that were liable to be put "on the coach" |
| 10:25.20 | mumperer | I suppose the resounding silence after that might be accounted for by someone mumping |
| 10:27.25 | Leeds | mumperer: niv_one_three is not a native English speaker... I wasn't after a translation to another obscure saying :-) |
| 10:29.32 | mumperer | Sorry Leeds but still, it's leading up the garden path which itself means taking the unwary or unaware along a route they'd not wisely choose - the otehr references were from the balmy days of letterpress printing. |
| 10:29.55 | Leeds | that's interesting, because that's not how I'd explain it |
| 10:30.29 | mumperer | Now I'm enjoying things. Come on Leeds, your turn top buff my brain cells! |
| 10:31.03 | Leeds | I'd say it was giving someone false hope - letting them believe that something they want may happen, when you know it won't - common contexts would be job-hunting or dating |
| 10:31.37 | Leeds | often, but not always, so you can get something for them while they still believe their goal is possible |
| 10:32.17 | mumperer | Yeah - I suppose this this could all be judged to be the English sod's law - because you're right too. How about defining sod's law then ... |
| 10:32.39 | Leeds | the perversity of the universe tends to a maximum |
| 10:32.54 | Leeds | aka if a thing can go wrong, it will |
| 10:33.02 | mumperer | Yah, geddoff - you've been here before! |
| 10:33.32 | Leeds | nope, just a walking dictionary |
| 10:33.58 | Leeds | I have to tone down my natural instinct to proof-read when I'm chatting to/up non-native English speakers :-) |
| 10:34.05 | mumperer | So - ever been a (strict definition) Head Reader? |
| 10:34.46 | Leeds | no that I'm aware of |
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| 10:35.25 | mumperer | OK, no problem, it's just the normal misuse of the words proof-reader then ... |
| 10:36.11 | Leeds | purely a talented and uneducated amateur |
| 10:36.54 | mumperer | Yes you are and hugely appreciated for it - go on, blush! |
| 10:37.49 | Leeds | takes more than that to make me blush! |
| 10:39.32 | mumperer | Okeydokey Leeds, I'll not try for longer! But if my friends and old colleagues were to hear/read me now they'd say I was going soft, Butr power to your elbow Leeds - you helped me! |
| 10:40.21 | Leeds | what do you call someone who checks the grammar and spelling in a piece of text then? |
| 10:41.24 | mumperer | I shall have to leave this sane, calm world now to discourse with SWMBO, my cat asnd my visiting son. Perhaps even wash too. Bye for now! |
| 10:41.40 | Leeds | have a good day |
| 10:42.25 | mumperer | Sorry - one last glance saw your question - old gits like me - called "Head Readers". Once. bye now. |
| 10:43.25 | Leeds | and thanks |
| 10:43.43 | niv_one_three | bye |
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| 11:03.06 | wethrin | hello |
| 11:03.09 | wethrin | morsing: ping? |
| 11:03.21 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 11:03.23 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 11:03.25 | morsing | Cope! |
| 11:03.48 | goibhniu | morsing! |
| 11:03.56 | wethrin | morsing: You tried to ping me on Saturday/ |
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| 11:06.26 | morsing | Right... |
| 11:06.31 | morsing | Cope_! |
| 11:06.42 | wethrin | Oh, and on Sunday |
| 11:06.43 | morsing | wethrin: I wanted to know if you wanted to meet for a drink |
| 11:06.59 | wethrin | Ahhh. I was busy, unfortunately |
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| 11:31.29 | morsing | Cope! |
| 11:32.15 | Cope | hi |
| 11:46.29 | wethrin | Morally, or technically? |
| 11:46.42 | wethrin | And yes - vim shouldn't have tabs :) |
| 11:46.51 | Cope | depends what you mean by tabs |
| 11:47.00 | goibhniu | wethrin: what's the difference? |
| 11:47.17 | wethrin | You can do things technically that are morally wrong |
| 11:47.20 | wethrin | Such as running Gnome |
| 11:47.30 | Cope | vim has viewports :) |
| 11:47.37 | Cope | viewports+++ |
| 11:47.51 | Cope | wethrin: talk to me! |
| 11:48.13 | wethrin | Oh! |
| 11:48.22 | wethrin | :) |
| 11:48.59 | goibhniu | in fluxbox I could share a tabbed window with firefox and gaim too |
| 11:50.26 | Cope | why would you want to use something so bloated and feature-fat as fluxbox? |
| 11:51.13 | goibhniu | because it's good for throwing at mac users |
| 11:53.49 | Cope | fair point |
| 11:54.51 | morsing | fvwm1 rules! |
| 11:55.23 | Cope | hehe, I do actually like fvwm |
| 11:55.42 | Cope | but I have a new favourite window manager... after, erm, 4 years |
| 11:56.00 | goibhniu | beryl ... of course |
| 11:57.06 | goibhniu | everything else can suck my toe nails ... except for servers |
| 11:57.06 | cpufreak | what is this beryl? |
| 11:57.06 | cpufreak | ion is the future |
| 11:57.06 | goibhniu | cpufreak: go back to sleep |
| 11:57.07 | goibhniu | ion ... that's like ratpoisen innit? |
| 11:57.11 | cpufreak | I wasn't asleep in the first place |
| 11:57.25 | goibhniu | :P |
| 11:57.40 | goibhniu | cpufreak: you do know what beryl is don't ya? |
| 11:57.43 | cpufreak | not used ratpoison |
| 11:57.45 | Cope | cpufreak: ion indeed! |
| 11:57.48 | cpufreak | no I don't know what beryl is |
| 11:58.04 | Cope | ratpoison was my wmoc for years; cpufreak has migrated me to ion |
| 11:58.38 | goibhniu | cpufreak: like compiz ... 3d accelerated .. fancy pants effects |
| 11:58.49 | cpufreak | so a window manager for students then |
| 11:58.50 | cpufreak | :) |
| 11:58.52 | wethrin | The Vista of the Open-Source world? |
| 11:59.09 | wethrin | I used KDE as a student :) When I started working, I used Windowmaker |
| 11:59.20 | wethrin | I used to use Afterstep, until they paused development for a few years |
| 11:59.22 | cpufreak | I thought you were back being a student again |
| 11:59.27 | goibhniu | yes wethrin except of course it came before vista and is more advanced |
| 11:59.59 | wethrin | cpufreak: I am. And currently using Windows |
| 12:00.10 | cpufreak | :) |
| 12:00.12 | wethrin | But I did have a proper job for a time |
| 12:01.15 | bilarh | ffs, i **HATE** kickstarts |
| 12:01.21 | bilarh | fucking rubbish piece of shit |
| 12:01.25 | wethrin | Why? |
| 12:01.38 | bilarh | ARRGH MMFFFFF !!!11!one! |
| 12:01.44 | bilarh | because it fucking never works |
| 12:02.04 | goibhniu | anyways ... suck my toes nails .. 2d paper users! |
| 12:02.19 | bilarh | now, i can correctly boot up using PXE |
| 12:02.20 | wethrin | Switch to using Solaris and jumpstart! |
| 12:02.25 | bilarh | and it finds it's IP address etc |
| 12:02.39 | bilarh | but then when anaconda comes up and it requests its IP address, it fails |
| 12:03.01 | bilarh | and then redhat decides to shut down the bloody interface (i.e. no link light present) |
| 12:03.11 | bilarh | it might be the network switch also, i suppose |
| 12:03.51 | wethrin | Cope: PEBCAK? |
| 12:03.58 | bilarh | hehe , user level? :) |
| 12:04.21 | wethrin | What switch are you using? |
| 12:04.23 | bilarh | it's driving me ruddy mad |
| 12:04.26 | Cope | ffsgrr |
| 12:04.32 | bilarh | some cisco stuff i think :) |
| 12:04.33 | wethrin | I've got an issue with an Alpha running Linux and a Cisco switch |
| 12:04.40 | bilarh | i don't know, i don't have visibility over that:) |
| 12:04.45 | wethrin | Could be a re-negotiation issue |
| 12:04.47 | bilarh | it's a 6500 series switch i think |
| 12:05.05 | wethrin | When I boot the Alpha up, SRM negotiationg link speed, etc., which the switch is happy with |
| 12:05.10 | Cope | note to self: java-1.5.0-sun-compat works only with update 9; not 10 or 11. |
| 12:05.24 | Cope | wethrin: I see the problem. |
| 12:05.32 | wethrin | When Linux boots up, it proceeds to re-negotiate the link, the switch isn't happy with that, and then shuts off the port |
| 12:05.40 | bilarh | hrm |
| 12:05.52 | bilarh | has this got anything to do with "portfast" at all? |
| 12:06.19 | wethrin | portfast? |
| 12:06.27 | bilarh | on cisco-switches? |
| 12:06.38 | bilarh | it's some option for port negotiation or some-such |
| 12:06.46 | bilarh | it has something to do with spanning tree |
| 12:07.24 | wethrin | which is used when cascading switches |
| 12:07.32 | bilarh | yes :) |
| 12:08.09 | wethrin | PortFast is turned off by default |
| 12:08.36 | wethrin | you may need to fiddle with mii-tool, or somesuch; tell the interface not to renegotiate, but just stick it into 100MbitFD |
| 12:09.38 | murb | ethtool nowdays |
| 12:10.18 | wethrin | The Alpha doesn't have ethtool on it. And, of course, I can't get it without a network connection |
| 12:10.28 | bilarh | note, i'm not actually runnign linux yet, i'm trying to install it :) |
| 12:11.12 | wethrin | Can you manually force the interface settings? |
| 12:12.30 | wethrin | Or cheat and put a little dumb switch between your computer and your network port |
| 12:12.32 | bilarh | maybe through a kernel command line option |
| 12:12.39 | murb | wethrin: the trick with alphas is to use the alternative tulip driver |
| 12:12.52 | murb | if the tulip.ko doesn't work use de45x or whatever it was called. |
| 12:12.54 | wethrin | murb: How's that done in Debian? |
| 12:12.54 | murb | or vv. |
| 12:13.09 | murb | wethrin: probably with an rmmod and an insmod :-) |
| 12:13.20 | wethrin | Frobbing /etc/modules.conf? |
| 12:14.00 | murb | if that works, then create a blacklist entry for the non worky driver in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 12:14.19 | wethrin | It does seem to be something with the renegotiation |
| 12:14.19 | murb | or other files in that directory. |
| 12:14.45 | murb | wethrin: that is just my experience with tulip based interfaces on alpha and pc boxen. |
| 12:15.38 | wethrin | The port only turns off when the interface is brought up |
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| 12:26.46 | goibhniu | ok ... shoot me down now: |
| 12:27.30 | goibhniu | after you authenticate you're presented with clouds based on your usage and probably tags or icons to represent them ... e.g. work photography (their density and proportion related to relevance, usage etc) |
| 12:27.41 | goibhniu | you select as many as you like to refine what you want to do at that moment |
| 12:27.52 | goibhniu | when you're happy, you're presented with you're last running sessions of the applications that belong to those tags |
| 12:28.03 | goibhniu | when you switch between tags/themes/clouds whatever ... you're running applications are put into hibernation |
| 12:28.27 | wethrin | errr... |
| 12:29.23 | goibhniu | wethrin: come on .. everyone likes fluffy clouds ... don't they? |
| 12:29.56 | murb | hmmm |
| 12:30.41 | goibhniu | or are we allowed to ditch cd and use popd instead? |
| 12:31.06 | goibhniu | or erm ... pushd |
| 12:33.14 | phearless | hi #gllug ! |
| 12:34.37 | goibhniu | hey phearless ... what's down? |
| 12:35.27 | phearless | everything is up :) |
| 12:36.04 | goibhniu | phearless: ohhh ... that's a bad omen |
| 12:36.20 | phearless | what is an omen ? |
| 12:36.55 | goibhniu | it's like when a child is born who's daddy is satan |
| 12:37.57 | goibhniu | sorry phearless I talk a lot of shite ... and I've already exceeded my rda of coffee |
| 12:41.25 | phearless | are you working for Oxfam ? |
| 12:41.40 | morsing | No |
| 12:42.58 | goibhniu | phearless: yep |
| 12:43.40 | morsing | goibhniu: Why? |
| 12:44.08 | goibhniu | morsing: because I like commuting for 5 hours a day |
| 12:46.38 | phearless | 5h ? 8-| |
| 12:46.44 | phearless | are you kidding? |
| 12:47.52 | goibhniu | nope, and I've been doing that for 2 years now ... but I'm thinking working from home would be nicer |
| 12:48.27 | phearless | you can not move to another flat/house ? |
| 12:48.36 | antiphase | Living in a particular place wouldn't ever be worth that much to me. I don't know why people do it |
| 12:49.21 | wethrin | antiphase: Depends on the price of living in a closer place, surely? |
| 12:49.33 | wethrin | goibhniu: Working for Oxfam HQ in Oxford, or some place else? |
| 12:49.36 | goibhniu | oxfam have an excellent cms that I get to work with ... one of the best in the world imo ... very interesting work ... my gf is studying in London |
| 12:49.49 | goibhniu | yep HQ |
| 12:50.00 | goibhniu | they quite like "face time" though :( |
| 12:50.04 | wethrin | So you commute from where? |
| 12:50.16 | goibhniu | it makes absolutely no sense to me ... I'm pretty ugly |
| 12:50.23 | goibhniu | Hackney |
| 12:50.34 | wethrin | Owwww! |
| 12:50.41 | wethrin | That's just rather unpleasant commute, then |
| 12:50.50 | goibhniu | incidentally ... you know a Danish bloke put the Hack into Hackney? |
| 12:50.56 | antiphase | Hackney is a shithole |
| 12:51.17 | goibhniu | yeah ... I feel at home there |
| 12:51.49 | phearless | you commute 5h a day and you live in Hackney. nice. |
| 12:52.19 | goibhniu | I get to listen to a lot of podcasts .. once again ... don't forget http://www.marvinsuicide.org |
| 12:52.40 | goibhniu | phearless: life can really be this good |
| 12:53.12 | Cope | wizzo googlers... I'm trying to find lord of the rings, and/or some other V.LONG text documents? Sing out if you locate them? Need wadges of text for a test. |
| 12:53.23 | goibhniu | personally I'd rather have a farm of robots in estonia ... but it's good to have something to dream for |
| 12:53.41 | wethrin | Cope: How about a browse through Project Gutenberg? |
| 12:53.55 | goibhniu | yeah .. e.g. that bible book |
| 12:54.36 | goibhniu | or all your man pages? |
| 12:54.55 | Cope | ah yes... gutenberg |
| 12:55.03 | Cope | that was the name |
| 12:55.06 | wethrin | Lunchtime! |
| 12:58.43 | Cope | think of some other really long books! |
| 12:59.19 | morsing | "Peter Langemand"? That was very long |
| 13:01.48 | goibhniu | Cope: isn't there an encyclopedia on gutenberg too? |
| 13:01.55 | goibhniu | or is it ibiblio? |
| 13:02.05 | Cope | the bible and war and peace will be enough i think |
| 13:02.26 | Cope | 9M of data |
| 13:05.15 | phearless | anybody got the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Reader ? |
| 13:05.22 | phearless | it looks like a GREAT tool |
| 13:11.31 | goibhniu | looks nice ... I'd prefer the olpc though |
| 13:11.54 | goibhniu | I think you can make your own e-ink reader with a kit from gumstix |
| 13:16.51 | niv_one_three | back |
| 13:16.57 | niv_one_three | what did I miss |
| 13:16.58 | niv_one_three | ? |
| 13:17.14 | niv_one_three | wethrin: hi |
| 13:21.40 | Cope | goibhniu: is the office in cowley rd now? |
| 13:22.01 | Cope | used to be in summertown... |
| 13:22.09 | SlayerXP | i need more customers. |
| 13:22.23 | Cope | fotango? |
| 13:25.13 | goibhniu | Cope: yep ... one big office now |
| 13:25.21 | goibhniu | summertown is a bit depressing |
| 13:25.35 | goibhniu | all the cafés look neglected |
| 13:27.26 | goibhniu | OI are still in summertown ... the renegades |
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| 13:35.27 | dick_turpin | afternoon |
| 13:36.45 | goibhniu | dick_turpin! |
| 13:36.54 | goibhniu | you got the new beryl? |
| 13:37.52 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I was beginig to think I was on my own here, new beryl? v1.5? maybe tonight. When did you get yours? |
| 13:38.27 | goibhniu | my gf got hers saturday (ubuntu) ... I'll probably have to wait a week (gentoo) |
| 13:38.55 | goibhniu | what I've seen so far is awesome (as is to be expected) |
| 13:39.30 | goibhniu | e.g. live previews when you mouse over the task bar ... there's something new called a ring ... don't know what that's about |
| 13:39.44 | stu_ | goibhniu, I have beryl 2.0 beta on my dual screen, its awesome |
| 13:39.50 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Ah, Ubuntu is listed as the first recipiant of any release (Which I think is wrong but there you go) |
| 13:40.19 | dick_turpin | stu_: 2.0????? |
| 13:40.27 | stu_ | 0.2 :S |
| 13:40.45 | stu_ | back to front typing, I'm not that far ahead! |
| 13:41.28 | goibhniu | stu_: is the current stable 0.19999 or something funny? |
| 13:41.51 | goibhniu | stu_: you're on the svn trunk or something? |
| 13:42.08 | dick_turpin | Hm I never understand numbering I was under the impression the next release was 1.5 which in my book would make the beta 1 |
| 13:42.14 | stu_ | yeah, its something like 0.2-eps |
| 13:42.15 | dick_turpin | .1.6 even |
| 13:43.26 | dick_turpin | I dont understand svn I tried it once but seeing as I didnt have a clue it all went pear shaped |
| 13:44.50 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Am I gonna have to invest in a new graphics card? |
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| 13:45.39 | goibhniu | I'm close to starting to use svn for all our stuff at home .. got it set up just need to import it ... got stuck with some massive .dv files which I'd rather leave out |
| 13:46.06 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: yes ... but don't be silly now ... get last years tech (at least) |
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| 13:47.35 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Groan, the problem is Suse is a little picky when it comes to graphics cards and the hardware list is not very good. I was looking at some in PC World at the weekend £313.00!!!! |
| 13:47.46 | stu_ | svn is the way forward (at present!), with the exception of large files (stick them on NFS) |
| 13:47.53 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: I'm gonna have to slap you! |
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| 13:48.16 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: nvidia 5xxx or 6xxx |
| 13:48.40 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Please :-) I normally have to pay for that sort of service |
| 13:49.36 | goibhniu | stu_: how about bazaar or other distributed type things? have you tried? |
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| 13:50.16 | goibhniu | mercurial, git etc ... sound nice |
| 13:51.26 | stu_ | goibhniu, not tried it, I have a huge cluster system that takes forever to sort things for and so I tend to stick to things I know that work and scale well |
| 13:52.06 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: I'll take that £250 extra you want to waste if you like ... I can use a bat too |
| 13:53.55 | goibhniu | stu_: I was looking for a way for the gf to use svn for backing up documents ... I was surprised how hard it was to find something friendly (she's not a dev) .. python workbench looks like the job though |
| 13:53.56 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Shh I busy trying to find this 5xxx card. not found one yet |
| 13:54.08 | stu_ | dick_turpin, I got an nvidia quadro for about £50 and use the nvidia drivers from their website, it was pretty simple |
| 13:55.03 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: I've got a pci 5600 that I can give you for £100 ... very rare! |
| 13:55.36 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Now whos looking for a slap? |
| 13:56.05 | goibhniu | that's what I paid for it :D ... mini-itx is for the lose |
| 13:56.10 | stu_ | goibhniu, can you not just set up rsync or something for your gf? I have never looked for a GUI svn on linux, the M$ people use tortiose svn I think though |
| 13:57.45 | goibhniu | yeah, apparently tortoise is the bomb ... I believe there's something similar for kde ... but she's used to gnome |
| 13:57.58 | goibhniu | workbench looks just about ok |
| 13:58.17 | dick_turpin | stu_: What!!! http://froogle.google.co.uk/froogle?q=nvidia+quadro&hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&oi=froogle&ct=title £1000.00 I'm poor |
| 13:59.12 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: you do business with too many muppets .. I fear it's gone to your head |
| 13:59.52 | stu_ | dick_turpin, http://www.dabs.com/productlist.aspx?&NavigationKey=11137&NavigationKey=40560000&CategorySelectedId=11137&PageMode=1&PageOffset=0&RecordOffset=0#Paging |
| 14:01.23 | dick_turpin | stu_: Thanks but I was hoping to pay £3.00 |
| 14:02.37 | stu_ | £3.00, perhaps you should try making a graphics card ;-) |
| 14:03.15 | dick_turpin | stu_: Dont laugh I have a story involving PC world and a G Card very funny |
| 14:04.06 | stu_ | dick_turpin, out of interest, why do you go to PC World? |
| 14:04.47 | goibhniu | stu_: he likes getting spanked |
| 14:04.57 | dick_turpin | stu_: No they came to us, one of our customers was suing them |
| 14:05.21 | stu_ | dick_turpin, haha |
| 14:05.52 | dick_turpin | I often have a look around its always good to see what the competition is up to plus I rarely get to see kit until we order it |
| 14:06.17 | eyore | pcworld prices seem okay on some of the stuff |
| 14:06.21 | eyore | last time i was there |
| 14:06.46 | eyore | it seemed a bit random though how some things were really overpriced and some weren't |
| 14:06.59 | eyore | perhaps it's like a supermarket with loss leaders. |
| 14:07.30 | Leeds | some of their non-retail parts stuff isn't *too* bad |
| 14:07.35 | dick_turpin | Pc World is good entertainment, I like standing next to some poor victim being sold a the wrong solution for them and given the most aweful advice |
| 14:08.15 | eyore | oh yes of course they have a policy of not employing anyone who understands computers i think |
| 14:08.28 | eyore | for fear you know too much to be able to rip off consumers |
| 14:08.41 | stu_ | i like going in and pretending to not know whats going on and ask questions like, where can I download an internet |
| 14:09.16 | dick_turpin | Its gotta have lots of ROM's I've heard thats good |
| 14:09.32 | eyore | my pet hate is the fact they always try and sell faster CPU machines and don't normally bother telling people they would be far better just doubling the ram on a lower spec machine |
| 14:10.16 | stu_ | set the security alarms off testing the weight of each machine to see how big the hard drive is |
| 14:10.31 | eyore | heh |
| 14:11.02 | dick_turpin | seriuosly its 20-30 minutes well spent I just pretend to be really interested in what they are telling some poor sap and his wife it makes me laugh anyway |
| 14:11.52 | wethrin | Ahoy |
| 14:12.00 | dick_turpin | wethrin: |
| 14:12.03 | eyore | someone should set up a business of charging people a tenner outside the store to go in with them and give them independant advice. |
| 14:12.04 | stu_ | my favorite thing that they say is: look I am being honest with you, I am M$ certified and I wouldn't sell you this if it wasn't good |
| 14:12.42 | Leeds | M$ certified salesman? |
| 14:12.48 | stu_ | thats the one |
| 14:12.57 | goibhniu | I've given up on computer shops (tottenham court rd) ... every time I ask them if they have something they tell me I need something else ... I'd rather pay more online |
| 14:13.00 | Leeds | I'm just certified, and I know more than them :-) |
| 14:13.02 | stu_ | i was laughing all the way home |
| 14:13.26 | Leeds | goibhniu: it's funny - there's very little online shopping in HK... everything is so close, so convenient, and open so late that there's no need :-) |
| 14:13.28 | eyore | someone on tottenham court rd tried to sell me a floppy drive for £25 |
| 14:13.32 | eyore | i never went back again |
| 14:13.40 | stu_ | unless M$ has a salesman cert, in which case the jokes on me :S |
| 14:14.05 | eyore | he probably just means is microsoft certified and a salesman |
| 14:14.11 | eyore | and it comes out wrong |
| 14:14.33 | stu_ | i think he was convinced he was a certified salesman |
| 14:14.36 | goibhniu | Leeds: I wonder if online shopping would work over there at all ... without the haggling it doesn't feel like shopping |
| 14:14.38 | stu_ | he kept saying ti |
| 14:14.54 | eyore | i hate haggling |
| 14:15.13 | Leeds | got to haggle here, really |
| 14:15.14 | goibhniu | it's tiresome ... you have to walk in and out of a shop 5 times just to find out the price |
| 14:15.17 | eyore | thankgod for the interweb and price comparison. |
| 14:16.01 | goibhniu | I suppose god had to do something useful at some stage |
| 14:16.54 | dick_turpin | But guys when you buy from me you know youve had top class assistance :-) |
| 14:17.15 | eyore | who do you work for? |
| 14:17.58 | dick_turpin | www.centrosales.co.uk www.centro.co.uk www.centro-webnet.co.uk |
| 14:18.45 | wethrin | dick_turpin: If we phone you and ask for technical assistance, will we see the question pop up on here? :) |
| 14:19.09 | dick_turpin | ibot: slap wethrin |
| 14:19.11 | ibot | ACTION slaps wethrin, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 14:20.35 | dick_turpin | wethrin: We do have a tech phone number its 75p a minute :-) |
| 14:20.52 | wethrin | Aha. So you can put people on hold while asking on here? :) |
| 14:21.14 | dick_turpin | ibot: double slap wethrin |
| 14:21.28 | niv_one_three | wethrin: hi |
| 14:21.34 | wethrin | hi niv_one_three |
| 14:21.35 | eyore | yes he just says he's contacted 2nd line support |
| 14:22.00 | dick_turpin | Nope I phone PC World :D |
| 14:22.04 | eyore | :) |
| 14:22.17 | wethrin | z00dax! |
| 14:22.23 | z00dax | wethrin: ! |
| 14:22.32 | dick_turpin | z00dax: |
| 14:23.23 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: So what card you gonna get me you rich bitch |
| 14:23.36 | Leeds | z00dax: back in the UK? |
| 14:23.43 | bilarh | hmm more weirdness |
| 14:23.56 | bilarh | if i try to boot the stupid server up using ubuntu |
| 14:24.08 | bilarh | that also fails a dhcp request |
| 14:24.14 | bilarh | and the interface becomes "disabled" |
| 14:24.36 | Leeds | dhcpcd tends to take the interface down if it fails to find an address, I think |
| 14:25.07 | z00dax | back in the UK, back at work |
| 14:25.22 | z00dax | and back to sniffing through a cold |
| 14:26.17 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: get one without a fan |
| 14:26.35 | goibhniu | 5600 would be fine |
| 14:27.13 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Why 'without a fan'? |
| 14:27.49 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: because those little graphics cards fans are annoying and stupid and should all rot in eternal damnation |
| 14:28.22 | Leeds | goibhniu: without it, Vista will melt your computer into a small pile of slag |
| 14:29.13 | goibhniu | Leeds: that's called enhanced security |
| 14:30.48 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: You cant buy em |
| 14:31.29 | goibhniu | too old? ... try a 6xxx |
| 14:31.47 | goibhniu | if you have to have a fan .... get a massive one |
| 14:32.30 | goibhniu | ahh .. it's prolly an extra 15 to get rid of that whine with a proper fan |
| 14:33.16 | dick_turpin | what about this one? http://froogle.google.co.uk/froogle_url?q=http://www.cqout.com/item.asp%3Fid%3D2160450&fr=ALKlHrfhFRIK6d1xhStHyJ7mYkLTqZlXjWfXQ4pP_Z0YAAAAAAAAAAA&gl=uk&hl=en |
| 14:33.45 | goibhniu | you've got pci express? |
| 14:34.27 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I dunno /me shrugs |
| 14:34.36 | goibhniu | probably not then |
| 14:34.51 | goibhniu | it's the new agp |
| 14:35.01 | Leeds | got milk? |
| 14:35.13 | goibhniu | I wish they could have come up with a whole new tla for it ... it's annoying |
| 14:36.32 | dick_turpin | I take it I should be looking at nvidia geforce 6600 ? |
| 14:40.17 | goibhniu | http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/104734 |
| 14:40.36 | goibhniu | £24 killer card .. fanless |
| 14:41.21 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: were you just looking on froogle? ... froogle sucks |
| 14:42.06 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Thats more like it. Will that one give me Water? |
| 14:42.55 | goibhniu | and snow ... you already have fire :D |
| 14:43.08 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I have snow too |
| 14:43.30 | dick_turpin | seems a bit cheap tho? |
| 14:43.47 | goibhniu | give me the extra £300 |
| 14:43.58 | stu_ | goibhniu, do you have kiba-dock running too? |
| 14:44.10 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I'll give you something in a minute..... |
| 14:44.41 | goibhniu | stu .. haven't tried it in a while ... it's funny alright tho |
| 14:45.08 | goibhniu | I love gnome-launch-box though |
| 14:45.20 | stu_ | goibhniu, i got the svn release, its pretty amusing. I've been trying to get avant working but its being a pain |
| 14:45.22 | goibhniu | no more pointing and clicking |
| 14:45.32 | goibhniu | avant? |
| 14:46.00 | stu_ | http://code.google.com/p/avant-window-navigator/ |
| 14:48.50 | stu_ | its a summer of code project |
| 14:48.56 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: what about this http://www.advancetec.co.uk/acatalog/info_12661.html anygood? |
| 14:51.01 | goibhniu | stu_: hmm ... doesn't do much for me tbh, but maybe you need to see it in action ... I like the look of the new previews in beryl though ... I think that's useful |
| 14:51.43 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: why? that's more expensive and looks the same |
| 14:51.55 | stu_ | goibhniu, yeah beryl is looking nice. I wish nvidia provided 64bit drivers |
| 14:52.25 | goibhniu | ? I'm running 64 bit ... didn't know there was an issue |
| 14:53.21 | stu_ | well I have a huge machine and i have no drivers for the graphics card (which happens to be awesome) |
| 14:53.24 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: is ebuyer the enemy? |
| 14:54.00 | goibhniu | stu_: no drivers? is it some new fancy pants card? |
| 14:54.21 | stu_ | no its another quadro, i forget which one |
| 14:54.34 | stu_ | its dual dvi special sauce or something |
| 14:55.07 | stu_ | its the most stupid computer anyway so I'm not surprised i can't get the card to work properly |
| 14:55.47 | goibhniu | stu_: throw it out the window |
| 14:55.53 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Not really but If I can get the details correct I can get it through work (cost price) :-) |
| 14:56.10 | stu_ | well its a little expensive to do that else i would. And it is insanely fast |
| 14:56.30 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: but cost price is even more than ebuyer retail ... but I'm sure you've got ways and means |
| 14:59.22 | goibhniu | oh dick_turpin that one's pci-express ... best to check first |
| 15:01.09 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I hate graphics cards they confuse the hell out of me |
| 15:02.48 | goibhniu | they're all shit hot these days |
| 15:03.52 | stu_ | see ya...... |
| 15:03.54 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Whats with this PCI express everyone I look at seems to have it |
| 15:04.25 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: a new slot for sticking things into |
| 15:05.12 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: So do you think opensuse wont support it? |
| 15:05.37 | goibhniu | nah .. it's standard ... just see if your motherboard has one |
| 15:06.04 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: One what? |
| 15:06.06 | *** part/#gllug mumperer (n=donald@rose963.demon.co.uk) |
| 15:06.17 | goibhniu | a pci-express slot |
| 15:06.34 | goibhniu | they look different ... check your manual |
| 15:07.12 | goibhniu | a pci-express card won't fit into an agp slot regardless of the amount of chewing gum you use |
| 15:07.15 | phearless | <goibhniu> looks nice ... I'd prefer the olpc though |
| 15:07.20 | phearless | it has nothing to do with OLDPC |
| 15:07.36 | phearless | the "Reader" is a special screen made to READ |
| 15:07.36 | eyore | goibhniu: very true, i tried that once and you are right. even if you push really hard |
| 15:07.53 | phearless | ( OLPC, not OLDPC ) |
| 15:08.06 | goibhniu | phearless: but if you want something with a long battery life that you can read well in sunlight etc ... the olpc has a special screen for b&w iirc |
| 15:08.16 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: this is gonna get annoying: any idea what it looks like? my card is geforce2 I think it has the little hook thing if thats any help |
| 15:08.24 | phearless | ok goibhniu |
| 15:08.48 | goibhniu | the olpc has a high res b&w and low res colour I think |
| 15:09.10 | goibhniu | but it probably won't fit so well in the pocket |
| 15:09.21 | Leeds | too big for a pocket |
| 15:09.28 | Leeds | but really nice and cute though |
| 15:09.51 | goibhniu | unless you're a kangaroo of course |
| 15:10.50 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: post me your mobo and I'll tell you |
| 15:11.19 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: if you have your mobo model number google iyf |
| 15:11.40 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Will have to do it tonight :-( |
| 15:12.39 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: you're looking for that instant comsumer kick aren't you? ... donate some money while you're waiting ... it'll make you feel better |
| 15:12.59 | goibhniu | s/com/con/ |
| 15:14.15 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: If I order today I'll get it tomorrow now I wont get it till wednesday |
| 15:15.22 | goibhniu | but you probably won't get the new version of beryl for two weeks :P |
| 15:16.12 | phearless | how can I plug a "normal" analog phone on a isdn30e line ? |
| 15:16.20 | Leeds | phearless: you need a TA |
| 15:16.32 | phearless | second question |
| 15:16.36 | phearless | what is a TA ? |
| 15:16.38 | phearless | :D |
| 15:16.40 | Leeds | :-) |
| 15:16.42 | Leeds | terminal adapter |
| 15:16.48 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: It'll take me that long to fit it, what with the tape drive, extra HDD's, card reader etc etc |
| 15:17.53 | phearless | thank you Leeds , I am now on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_adapter ;) |
| 15:17.55 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: you can start pulling things out and drawing up wiring diagrams tonight so ... while the sausages are on |
| 15:19.48 | phearless | ok, if for example I buy http://www.shopmagenta.com/product/DLKMD17.aspx?refer=99914 |
| 15:19.56 | phearless | it got a USB interface |
| 15:20.10 | phearless | then how can I plug the normal phone to the USB interface ? :p |
| 15:20.53 | Leeds | you can't - you need one with phone sockets in it :-) |
| 15:21.14 | phearless | okay |
| 15:21.36 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Cheers bud, I'm getting a price on the cheapo one you suggested of course if my box hates it you know who's door I shall be knocking on? |
| 15:24.23 | phearless | I may be stupid, but I do not see ISDN/analog adapter |
| 15:24.24 | phearless | grr |
| 15:24.46 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: no worries, if it doesn't fit ... horse it |
| 15:25.31 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: :-* TTFN |
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| 15:27.38 | morsing | Cope_! |
| 15:32.03 | Cope_ | bah |
| 15:48.29 | Leeds | hungry... had second meal of the day about 8 hours ago... should really go to bed/sleep rather than eating |
| 15:49.00 | morsing | Leeds: What's the street value of my body? |
| 15:49.29 | Leeds | how's the chassis? |
| 15:49.41 | morsing | Slim but strong |
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| 15:50.22 | morsing | asht_007! |
| 15:51.46 | morsing | Is it legal to put yourself for sale on Ebay? |
| 15:51.56 | goibhniu | morsing: nope .. no livestock |
| 15:52.01 | goibhniu | or body parts |
| 15:52.05 | Leeds | also, no human organs |
| 15:52.10 | Leeds | right |
| 15:52.21 | goibhniu | crazy ... isn't it! |
| 15:53.57 | eye69 | Evening |
| 15:54.00 | eye69 | morsing! |
| 15:55.36 | gw280 | lalala |
| 15:59.47 | morsing | eye69! |
| 15:59.55 | morsing | gw280: You suck! |
| 16:06.48 | morsing | gw280: Thanks |
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| 16:15.08 | morsing | Jasper1! |
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| 16:35.32 | morsing | Cope! |
| 16:54.22 | phearless | <morsing> Is it legal to put yourself for sale on Ebay? |
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| 16:54.28 | phearless | interesting question |
| 16:54.44 | phearless | and can I put for example "I am your sexual slave for 24H" ? |
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| 17:00.55 | psnl | I can't remember if prositition is legal or not |
| 17:01.07 | goibhniu | I think some people sold advertising space (for tatoos) on their persons in the early days |
| 17:01.57 | goibhniu | psnl: it's illegal in this silly country ... it has only recently been made properly legal in the netherlands I thin |
| 17:02.09 | goibhniu | they've got unions and everything now |
| 17:03.04 | clive-h | there's unions in the uk , the english collective of prostitutes is 20+ years old |
| 17:04.14 | spungles | prostituion isn't illegal in the UK |
| 17:04.17 | spungles | pimping is though |
| 17:05.34 | clive-h | aka living off immoral earnings |
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| 17:05.45 | murb | bothels are both legal and taxed here. |
| 17:05.59 | goibhniu | murb in de? |
| 17:06.47 | murb | goibhniu: yep. |
| 17:07.29 | goibhniu | spungles: so it's not fully legal either ... right? |
| 17:07.57 | murb | goibhniu: for instance downtown frankfurt am main is full of puffs. |
| 17:09.07 | spungles | goibhniu: prostitutes can work for themselves |
| 17:09.14 | spungles | i think |
| 17:10.42 | clive-h | what's that? |
| 17:10.49 | goibhniu | I really have no idea about the uk, only heard about .nl ... I didn't know germany was sooo advanced either ... but I'm not entirely surprised |
| 17:11.14 | murb | clive-h: a bit of paper you need if you want to be self employed in many sectors. |
| 17:11.21 | clive-h | oh i see |
| 17:11.34 | murb | e.g. you can't just come here and setup as a self employed hair dresser or butcher or baker etc etc |
| 17:11.51 | murb | or builder.. |
| 17:12.22 | clive-h | unlike the uk |
| 17:12.52 | murb | building is special in the uk. |
| 17:12.58 | murb | atleast from the tax PoV. |
| 17:13.41 | clive-h | yeah but generally you don't need anything to start up as self-employed |
| 17:14.11 | phearless | Leeds: do you see an example of a TA ISDN/analog on the web ? |
| 17:14.31 | murb | phearless: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:14.34 | clive-h | blimey ISDN |
| 17:14.40 | murb | i have isdn :-) |
| 17:14.43 | murb | and dsl |
| 17:14.46 | murb | on the same line. |
| 17:14.48 | clive-h | I've a TA somewhere |
| 17:15.05 | phearless | I want to plug a "normal" phone on an ISDN30E line |
| 17:15.19 | murb | I'm always amused by people who tell me it isn't possible. |
| 17:15.21 | phearless | it has 8 channels and supports a max of 32 channels |
| 17:15.24 | clive-h | They don't do ADSL and ISDN on the same line here |
| 17:15.37 | murb | phearless: so a fractual pri in bt speak? |
| 17:15.47 | murb | phearless: you'll need a chanalised pri card. |
| 17:15.51 | murb | or interface. |
| 17:15.56 | phearless | yes it is PRI I think |
| 17:16.07 | murb | phearless: do you have a pbx connected to it already? |
| 17:16.11 | phearless | no |
| 17:16.17 | murb | is it a new installation? |
| 17:16.17 | phearless | but I will do it in a few days |
| 17:16.19 | phearless | with Asterisk |
| 17:16.29 | phearless | I got the PCI card for asterisk |
| 17:16.31 | murb | what singaling do you have on it? |
| 17:16.39 | murb | phearless: who from? |
| 17:16.49 | phearless | but I would like to use a normal phone on the ISDN line if Asterisk is down |
| 17:16.54 | phearless | it is from BT |
| 17:17.01 | clive-h | i don't think i even have a modem now except on the laptop |
| 17:17.03 | phearless | the call this ISDN30E |
| 17:17.11 | phearless | they call this ISDN30E |
| 17:17.21 | clive-h | ugggh |
| 17:17.53 | clive-h | linux isdn support was interesting |
| 17:17.55 | murb | phearless: do you have a budget for people to come and fix it when it breaks/doesn't work in the first place? |
| 17:18.08 | murb | clive-h: still is.. |
| 17:18.11 | phearless | I will take care of Asterisk myself |
| 17:18.19 | murb | and asterisk is a steaming pipe of crap. |
| 17:18.23 | phearless | but if it is down I would like a normal phone as a backup |
| 17:18.39 | murb | phearless: order a normal phone line from bt. |
| 17:18.43 | clive-h | which is why i bought an eicon isdn box |
| 17:18.46 | murb | they'll then be able to divert it. |
| 17:19.23 | phearless | clive-h: eicon isdn box ? is it a PBX? |
| 17:19.36 | phearless | murb: divert it from where to where? |
| 17:19.37 | murb | phearless: no it is just a TA |
| 17:19.40 | clive-h | nah networked ta |
| 17:20.06 | clive-h | but it worked |
| 17:20.17 | murb | phearless: you should be able to turn on an isdn unconditional divert at the exchange. |
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| 17:21.11 | clive-h | i need to sort out llu adsl |
| 17:21.31 | phearless | "an isdn unconditional divert" ? |
| 17:21.34 | phearless | can I do it myself ? |
| 17:21.42 | murb | phearless: you should be able to. |
| 17:21.50 | murb | s/should/might/ # ... |
| 17:22.01 | murb | bt might charge extra for such advanced features... |
| 17:22.15 | murb | phearless: i hope you got them to included callerid for free. |
| 17:22.24 | murb | phearless: and what signallying did you order with your line? |
| 17:22.44 | phearless | <murb> phearless: and what signallying did you order with your line? > I do not know |
| 17:22.54 | phearless | <murb> phearless: i hope you got them to included callerid for free. > I do not know too ! |
| 17:23.12 | murb | phearless: i fear you'll have an intersting time. |
| 17:23.20 | murb | i just hope you bought the right card! |
| 17:23.28 | phearless | I bought the right card I think |
| 17:24.26 | murb | you don't sound so convinced. |
| 17:24.41 | murb | how is the line presented? |
| 17:25.48 | phearless | I bought a "Wildcard TE110P ISDN PRI Card" |
| 17:26.08 | phearless | the line is in the "new" office and I have not seen it |
| 17:26.15 | phearless | I just know that it is a ISDN30E |
| 17:26.58 | phearless | and I would like to use a simple phone as a backup and maybe for the first day when we will move to the new office |
| 17:27.14 | murb | phearless: how long ndo you have to set this up before you move in? |
| 17:27.26 | phearless | 1 week |
| 17:27.41 | murb | for just the phones or everything including cabling? |
| 17:28.09 | phearless | the cables are installed by some builders and Bt ingeneers |
| 17:28.28 | phearless | I am just responsible for the VoIP |
| 17:28.37 | phearless | today a BT guy installed the ISDN line |
| 17:45.33 | hali | phearless: what pbx software are you using? |
| 17:46.05 | hali | oh, asterisk... |
| 17:46.11 | phearless | yes |
| 17:46.28 | phearless | but I am still wondering how to plug a normal phone on this damn ISDN30E line |
| 17:47.06 | cpufreak | use a hammer |
| 17:47.07 | hali | phearless: you can buy sip-to-analouge adapters |
| 17:47.21 | phearless | sip ? |
| 17:47.26 | hali | we used them in my old company so people could use old cordless dect phones |
| 17:47.26 | phearless | it is ISDN, not SIP |
| 17:47.35 | hali | but you are using asterisk right? |
| 17:47.41 | hali | and asterisk speaks sip? |
| 17:47.46 | phearless | yes but I want to use a normal phone if asterisk is down |
| 17:47.48 | murb | hali: barely. |
| 17:47.58 | hali | ah... that is indeed a problem |
| 17:48.07 | hali | you can probably get an isdn phone |
| 17:48.20 | murb | hali: he'd still need a demux. |
| 17:48.27 | cpufreak | just use a hammer |
| 17:48.35 | cpufreak | if it doesn't work |
| 17:48.38 | murb | yep der hammer is the best solution. |
| 17:48.50 | hali | while notworking; do hammer; done |
| 17:48.53 | murb | and if it doesn't work get a bigger one. |
| 17:49.38 | cpufreak | hit it harder |
| 17:51.39 | phearless | <murb> hali: he'd still need a demux. |
| 17:51.44 | phearless | demux + isdn phone ? |
| 17:52.22 | hali | or just hit it harder |
| 17:52.54 | murb | with a bigger hammer as i already said. |
| 17:55.09 | murb | phearless: or buy a second card + and a second pc |
| 17:55.19 | murb | if the first one fails plug in the second. |
| 17:56.12 | phearless | so there are no "simple" adapters |
| 17:56.14 | phearless | without PC |
| 17:56.16 | phearless | ? |
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| 18:07.36 | phearless | I have to buy |
| 18:07.50 | phearless | a second server and a second 350£ card that will be boring |
| 18:08.56 | phearless | if I have to buy * |
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| 21:36.57 | hali | i think someone should say something, it's way to quiet here now |
| 21:37.58 | clive-h | something |
| 21:38.23 | hali | so how was your day clive-h, did you eat any eggs today? |
| 21:38.48 | clive-h | not today, did you? |
| 21:39.22 | hali | no |
| 21:40.32 | clive-h | tomorrow perhaps |
| 21:41.26 | hali | i sure hope so |
| 21:41.47 | hali | might go for an egg sandwich |
| 21:42.04 | clive-h | mmmm |
| 21:42.49 | clive-h | i've eggs i could murder some eggy bread |
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| 21:44.10 | clive-h | and onions and tomatoes and garlic |
| 21:51.44 | murb | i've just eatern self made lumps of meat half way between burgers and balls. |
| 21:55.07 | hali | we call that 'järpar' in swedish |
| 21:55.21 | hali | they sort of look like turds |
| 21:55.38 | clive-h | nice image |
| 21:56.32 | clive-h | i've some noodles |
| 21:56.45 | hali | http://www.vegeway.se/images/Jarpar.png |
| 21:57.54 | clive-h | is that vegetarian? |
| 21:57.56 | murb | not really like that. |
| 21:58.08 | murb | more round. |
| 21:58.18 | murb | i know i've been to ikea as well. |
| 22:00.04 | hali | Kellys Heros on ITV4, first good thing on tv in ages! |
| 22:01.00 | clive-h | errrk |
| 22:01.05 | clive-h | war-- |
| 22:01.20 | hali | it's a comedy, not a war movie |
| 22:01.57 | clive-h | it's a war movie trying to be comic |
| 22:01.58 | hali | Donald Sutherlands best performance ever |
| 22:03.30 | clive-h | he had better parts imho |
| 22:04.50 | clive-h | great actor i'll agree |
| 22:08.14 | hali | he was quite good in MASH |
| 22:08.38 | clive-h | yeah |
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| 22:33.00 | trousers_ | I need me some good reading on cryptography :) |
| 22:36.34 | wethrin | Bruce Scheneir |
| 22:37.13 | rhowe | Wenbo Mao |
| 22:50.06 | psnl | trousers_: ross anderson |
| 22:50.17 | psnl | trousers_: his book is online too |
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| 22:52.15 | wethrin | That's more cryptanalysis than cryptography |
| 22:52.35 | psnl | has a lovely chapter, and you don't need to pay for it |
| 23:07.43 | gw280 | my new bike won't be arriving until the beginning of April |
| 23:08.14 | wethrin | HA ha |
| 23:08.21 | wethrin | Why didn't you go to your friendly local bike shop? |
| 23:09.26 | gw280 | wethrin: I did |
| 23:09.33 | gw280 | wethrin: I want a specific bike |
| 23:09.37 | gw280 | http://www.falconcycles.co.uk/CORP/Touring/regent.html# |
| 23:09.38 | gw280 | that one |
| 23:10.15 | wethrin | Surely you're far too lazy to cycle? |
| 23:10.25 | gw280 | i'm far too lazy to walk |
| 23:10.28 | gw280 | besides |
| 23:10.38 | gw280 | doing 25 mph on a bike and scaring pedestrians is FUN |
| 23:10.49 | wethrin | Very swish, anyway |
| 23:11.11 | gw280 | wethrin: yeah, at 500 quid itshould be :P |
| 23:11.17 | wethrin | ! |
| 23:11.22 | wethrin | Well, your parents are rich.. |
| 23:11.26 | gw280 | I bought it |
| 23:11.29 | gw280 | with my own money |
| 23:11.38 | gw280 | powerbook is being sold |
| 23:11.52 | gw280 | getting 100 from my current bike |
| 23:12.58 | wethrin | Hah. You should spend your money on booze and hookers |
| 23:12.59 | gw280 | ho ho ho: |
| 23:13.01 | gw280 | 23:12:16 < gw280> at? |
| 23:13.01 | gw280 | 23:12:26 < solitude> life. |
| 23:13.01 | gw280 | 23:12:29 < gw280> I don't have a life |
| 23:13.03 | gw280 | 23:12:44 < solitude> ¬_¬ |
| 23:13.06 | gw280 | 23:12:49 < solitude> well, that showed me. :/ |
| 23:13.12 | wethrin | :) |
| 23:13.25 | gw280 | before that was a "You fail." |
| 23:14.35 | wethrin | 5:) |
| 23:15.35 | gw280 | should I buy a nokia 770? |
| 23:15.39 | gw280 | for 65 quid |
| 23:15.40 | gw280 | from mjg59 |
| 23:15.54 | wethrin | If you need it |
| 23:15.57 | clive-h | that's cheap |
| 23:16.08 | gw280 | I'm getting increasingly fucked off with my windows mobile phone thing |
| 23:16.19 | wethrin | Harrr |
| 23:17.19 | Leeds | gw280: is that because he's got an 800? |
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| 23:21.33 | niv_one_three | hi all |
| 23:21.36 | niv_one_three | as mknod creates a node - how may I remove a node? |
| 23:21.46 | gw280 | Leeds: yes |
| 23:21.54 | gw280 | Leeds: he's getting an N800 for 65 quid |
| 23:22.33 | niv_one_three | I am getting : mdadm: RUN_ARRAY failed: Invalid argumen |
| 23:22.48 | niv_one_three | when tring to make a new raid |
| 23:23.21 | Leeds | niv_one_three: uh, rm |
| 23:23.45 | Leeds | gw280: yeah, I'd go for the 800 at this point :-) |
| 23:23.53 | niv_one_three | I did rm /dev/md1 |
| 23:23.59 | gw280 | Leeds: the N800 seems a bit more flimsy than the 770 |
| 23:24.08 | niv_one_three | then run the raid create - and still get the error |
| 23:24.46 | Leeds | nah, it's nice |
| 23:24.57 | Leeds | niv_one_three: no idea on that |
| 23:25.18 | niv_one_three | looking |
| 23:25.24 | z00dax | the n800 is not bad |
| 23:25.47 | niv_one_three | oh |
| 23:25.49 | niv_one_three | odd |
| 23:26.51 | niv_one_three | oh ya |
| 23:26.55 | gw280 | the n800/770 has the NICEST SCREEN IN THE WORLD |
| 23:26.58 | niv_one_three | I need the module ... |
| 23:27.00 | niv_one_three | k |
| 23:27.13 | Cope | oooh hello z00dax |
| 23:27.27 | Cope | ooh Leeds !! |
| 23:28.31 | gw280 | Leeds: mjg59 also has three 770s... |
| 23:28.54 | Leeds | that's the sort of thing mjg59 does |
| 23:29.00 | gw280 | indeed |
| 23:29.45 | clive-h | hmmmm i'd buy a n770 for 65 quid |
| 23:31.45 | niv_one_three | me 2... |
| 23:31.50 | niv_one_three | 65 quid... |
| 23:31.54 | niv_one_three | I wish |
| 23:32.09 | niv_one_three | (sorry I'll shut up) |
| 23:33.58 | niv_one_three | works... |
| 23:42.02 | gw280 | lalala |
| 23:45.28 | morsing | z00dax! |
| 23:54.50 | morsing | Really? You look like it |
| 23:55.44 | morsing | Leeds: What's the temperature like in Arizona? |
| 23:56.35 | Leeds | ibot weather arizona |
