| 00:43.57 | gw280 | LALALALALALA |
| 00:45.18 | trousers_ | At this time in the morning? Sounds funky :) |
| 00:45.40 | gw280 | ...it's only midday |
| 00:46.08 | trousers_ | Where are you? |
| 00:51.50 | wethrin | Nix++ |
| 00:53.39 | trousers_ | wethrin: Nix? |
| 00:53.52 | wethrin | RTFML |
| 00:56.43 | gw280 | trousers_: Cambridge. |
| 00:57.43 | Leeds | yeah, Nix is da man |
| 01:00.15 | trousers_ | gw280: How is it midday, exactly, unless midday is defined as the middle of *your* day rather than the sun being at the highest point during the day? |
| 01:05.39 | Leeds | it's midday in Sydney |
| 01:05.46 | Leeds | gw280 is not in Sydney |
| 01:11.31 | gw280 | it's always mid day |
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| 01:51.19 | gw280 | hrmm |
| 03:18.11 | Leeds | ooh, now this is a mess |
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| 05:10.30 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 05:10.37 | Leeds | yes |
| 05:19.28 | morsing | Leeds: Go back to sleep! |
| 05:19.52 | Leeds | no |
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| 06:15.42 | Leeds | morning mumpie |
| 06:15.55 | mumperer | Owdy Leeds |
| 06:16.10 | Leeds | women, eh? |
| 06:16.31 | mumperer | Yeah - luvverly - ish |
| 06:17.16 | Leeds | not sure why I'm bothering right now |
| 06:18.15 | mumperer | oh dear, heard that before - a wail from one of my sons to be ignored until i get the chance to tell him how i met his mother |
| 06:20.06 | mumperer | AND before you ask - sired four, adopted three, total seven - OK/ |
| 06:20.51 | Leeds | women? :-> |
| 06:21.59 | mumperer | Ah - being picky then; five sons, two daughters - and the cat's just come in to say good morning - aah |
| 06:22.59 | Leeds | morning pussy |
| 06:23.19 | mumperer | See, back to women! |
| 06:24.06 | mumperer | Was that awful, in these days of torrid PC-ness? |
| 06:24.43 | Leeds | uh, no, that's what I meant |
| 06:25.09 | Leeds | the pun I meant to imply, anyway |
| 06:25.54 | mumperer | Yup, thought it might be ... now then, how come you're always there? I mean you seem to be awake much longer than I can manage. Insomnia? Or women? |
| 06:26.37 | Leeds | combination of insomnia and an odd timezone |
| 06:27.06 | Leeds | you are aware that I'm in GMT+8, right? |
| 06:28.43 | mumperer | Er, um, no, like, Didn't even occur to me. Please remember I'm a semi-Victorian Briton ... |
| 06:29.50 | Leeds | well... I'm in GMT+8 :-) |
| 06:29.51 | mumperer | Oh I wish i could get out of this need to pose - just what is your native language, Leeds? |
| 06:30.11 | Leeds | now that's a worrying question, since it's English and I'd hope that would be obvious... |
| 06:31.36 | mumperer | Well not necessarily, these natives can be quiet clever sometimes. Look - I'm trying to work out which direction the sun goes to sort out this seven-hour time difference. Don't think i'll bother ... |
| 06:33.07 | mumperer | By the way, that was very English: "and I'd hope" |
| 06:33.43 | Leeds | Hong Kong |
| 06:33.52 | Leeds | and it's 8 hours, unless you're in GMT+1 |
| 06:34.03 | Leeds | I am 100% English, born and bred |
| 06:34.18 | mumperer | I've just had a read of this conversation - why don't people put me back in the museum where I belong! omigawd! |
| 06:36.51 | mumperer | Thank you Leeds. I have a good friend who's currently owning to HK born and bredness - I think probably due to China's cultural/political history, but he's a great cpmrade in community activity - called Dominic Cheng |
| 06:41.41 | mumperer | I published a community newspaper from 1994-04 and he (Dominic) assisted in my managing to create the technical means (in those days) to print messages to and from the local Chinese/Vietnamese people. Very enjoyable ... |
| 06:43.12 | Leeds | nice |
| 06:43.17 | Leeds | that's not easy |
| 06:44.35 | mumperer | No, it was all based on a great trust in Dominic. He did the liaison, I did the techno stuff - scanning and the like. It worked. |
| 06:46.46 | mumperer | I've got to go soon, SWMBO will be beck with the morning papers and will want a cuppa. I'll chat again soon, Leeds, take care ... |
| 06:46.51 | trousers_ | Argh! Mornings! School! Lack of being appreciated by females even though I hardly know them! |
| 06:46.57 | Leeds | mumperer: seeya |
| 06:47.18 | trousers_ | mumperer: Farewell |
| 07:22.07 | morsing | mumperer! |
| 07:29.10 | Leeds | right, I have a brand new £3.something red Italian silk tie |
| 07:30.27 | morsing | Lovely |
| 07:30.50 | Leeds | ibot change 50 hkd to gbp |
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| 07:36.36 | trousers_ | Morning Cope! |
| 07:37.08 | Cope | hello trousers_ |
| 07:38.56 | Leeds | nice... it's a Dolche & Gabbena tie |
| 07:39.31 | Leeds | and http://www.carpecaelum.com/waxgbbs.htm seems to describe me - and many other techies/geeks... |
| 07:39.39 | Leeds | "very nearly full and illuminated generally from the right", "seen to rise sometime in the afternoon", "usually goes unnoticed until it gets dark", "sets just shortly before sunrise" |
| 07:44.30 | morsing | Cope! |
| 07:46.51 | Cope | :) |
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| 08:31.52 | morsing | niv_one_three! |
| 08:32.03 | niv_one_three | :-) |
| 08:32.11 | niv_one_three | did I miss leeds? |
| 08:32.16 | niv_one_three | damn... |
| 08:32.21 | Leeds | no |
| 08:32.30 | niv_one_three | :-) |
| 08:33.10 | morsing | ibot niv_one_three |
| 08:33.39 | morsing | ibot niv_one_three is a random sheep |
| 08:33.40 | ibot | okay, morsing |
| 08:33.41 | morsing | Leeds wake ibot |
| 08:35.56 | morsing | ibot niv_one_three |
| 08:35.58 | ibot | hmm... niv_one_three is a random sheep |
| 08:36.08 | morsing | ibot niv_one_three |
| 08:36.10 | ibot | well, niv_one_three is a random sheep |
| 08:39.36 | morsing | Can someone tell me why cron is suddenly refusing to run the webalizer update scripts? |
| 08:39.56 | Leeds | only Smarties have the answer |
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| 08:41.31 | morsing | SlayerXP: |
| 08:41.38 | SlayerXP | morsing: |
| 08:41.55 | morsing | SlayerXP: Why is cron suddenly refusing to run the webalizer update scripts? |
| 08:42.18 | SlayerXP | badly formed cron line? badly formed cron job? |
| 08:44.14 | morsing | SlayerXP: It used to work and nothing has changed |
| 08:44.42 | SlayerXP | you can be fairly sure that _something_ has changed |
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| 08:50.58 | stephanb_ | hello everybody |
| 08:51.34 | Leeds | afternoon stephanb_ |
| 08:52.25 | stephanb_ | Leeds: do u know if is freenode accessible on another port than 6667? |
| 08:52.35 | Leeds | probably |
| 08:53.26 | morsing | How do I run Webalizer on old rotated log files? It seems to just ignore any entries in them? |
| 08:53.57 | Leeds | okay, I now have some money |
| 08:54.07 | stephanb_ | Leeds: hmm cannot find which ports on their website |
| 08:55.33 | Leeds | no, neither can I... |
| 08:57.01 | SlayerXP | morsing: webalizer keeps track of what stuff it has seen before |
| 09:00.06 | murb | morsing: delete the whatsit hist file |
| 09:00.12 | murb | or touch it with an old date |
| 09:03.25 | morsing | It still does it: |
| 09:03.25 | morsing | 1661 records (1661 ignored) in 0.02 seconds |
| 09:03.47 | morsing | Makes no difference to the graphs either |
| 09:04.46 | Leeds | are your records out of order? |
| 09:05.09 | morsing | No |
| 09:15.11 | Leeds | time to go make myself look beautiful... |
| 09:18.07 | morsing | Nice |
| 09:27.40 | niv_one_three | good vibes are all aournd |
| 09:28.06 | niv_one_three | brb |
| 09:32.27 | hali | is it just me or is it _really_ freakin' cold outside? |
| 09:33.16 | morsing | Please don't leave on my account Mr. Turnip! |
| 09:40.46 | stephanb_ | hali: check the met office sever weather warning: heavy snow |
| 09:44.25 | bilarh | ffs, heavy snow is probably like 2cm of slush |
| 09:44.32 | bilarh | *rant rant* |
| 09:44.46 | murb | still snowing here. |
| 09:44.56 | murb | i've never seen proper snow in sweden. |
| 09:45.34 | bilarh | no snow in sweden? :) |
| 09:45.34 | bilarh | arguably, over christmas there wasn't any |
| 09:45.36 | bilarh | but i think there is now |
| 09:45.46 | bilarh | anyway, my point is |
| 09:45.54 | bilarh | or rather, i'm changing it to, |
| 09:46.16 | bilarh | is that a snow flake in sweden doesn't take down the train systems, the roads and the air-ways |
| 09:46.22 | murb | bilarh: it is a bloody warm winter |
| 09:46.39 | bilarh | where-as here it's like "OMG, a snow flake *PANIC PANIC*" |
| 09:46.56 | bilarh | murb: possibly, but it was bloody cold outside this morning :) |
| 09:46.58 | murb | bilarh: i think most .ukians worry about snow in the low alps. |
| 09:47.05 | bilarh | for a southern puff such as myself :) |
| 09:47.19 | murb | bilarh: but then london hasn't had a frost fair on the thames for a very long time! |
| 09:47.25 | hali | bilarh: did you just refer to yourself as a puff? |
| 09:47.33 | bilarh | a southern one at that |
| 09:47.36 | bilarh | one of those shandy drinkers |
| 09:48.37 | hali | ah, just checking |
| 09:49.54 | bilarh | http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/detail/321266b.jpg |
| 09:56.33 | murb | bilarh: does puff mean in schwedisch the same as in deutsch? |
| 09:56.54 | bilarh | i don't know what it means in deutsch, so can't possibly comment |
| 09:57.02 | hali | one may associate it with bleedin' homosexual yes |
| 09:57.38 | bilarh | but afaik it just means 'puff' (english) as in the noise |
| 09:57.38 | bilarh | in swedish? |
| 09:57.43 | bilarh | maybe if you're speaking swenglish :) |
| 09:58.11 | bilarh | murb: what does it mean in german then? |
| 09:58.29 | murb | brothel. |
| 09:58.36 | bilarh | neat :D |
| 09:58.52 | bilarh | brothel in swedish would be either bordell or horhus |
| 09:59.00 | morsing | Mmm... Bordel |
| 09:59.10 | bilarh | the latter obviously meaning <something> house |
| 09:59.33 | stephanb_ | hmm bordel is the word used in french |
| 09:59.35 | bilarh | so is that slang for brothel then, or is it actually a real word? |
| 10:00.05 | bilarh | maison de joyeux :) |
| 10:00.08 | hali | horhus is a quite nice word |
| 10:00.09 | bilarh | possibly :) |
| 10:00.12 | stephanb_ | the word in use before wwII was maison close |
| 10:00.18 | murb | bilarh: i dunno i know only strassedeutsch. |
| 10:00.31 | hali | after wwII brothel is just known as "the american base" |
| 10:00.31 | bilarh | murb: ah ok |
| 10:01.03 | bilarh | hali: LIES!! The american's don't go to war just to rape and pillage! |
| 10:01.17 | bilarh | although, technicaly that's not exactly what you said, i suppose |
| 10:01.21 | murb | bilarh: no that is want all armys do. |
| 10:01.22 | stephanb_ | no i'm saying that because after wwII the french gov made brothels illegal |
| 10:01.46 | hali | stephanb_: are they legal again now? |
| 10:01.47 | bilarh | stehpanb_: really? but it's like what french people do, isn't it? :-) |
| 10:02.05 | bilarh | i might have got it all horribly wrong, of course |
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| 10:02.37 | hali | and while we are on the subjects, whats the truth about french women and armpit shaving |
| 10:02.50 | murb | hali: they don't. |
| 10:03.00 | bilarh | murb: i think that was the point :_) |
| 10:03.01 | bilarh | :) |
| 10:03.05 | stephanb_ | bilarh: it's not because a gov makes something illegal that it ceases to exist |
| 10:03.12 | hali | but is that just a rumour or is it actually the truth? |
| 10:03.15 | bilarh | oh sorry, i'm not reading correctly |
| 10:03.20 | stephanb_ | cf. the "war on drugs" in the US |
| 10:03.30 | bilarh | stephanb: true |
| 10:03.34 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 10:03.34 | hali | is that going to war while doing drugs? |
| 10:04.00 | hali | i presume everyone has seen the british army LSD testing video clips? :) |
| 10:04.06 | Leeds | morsing |
| 10:04.15 | bilarh | hali: however, what's wrong with a bit of body hair? |
| 10:04.41 | hali | bilarh: hair belongs on the head only |
| 10:04.44 | stephanb_ | insert here usual academic debate on the dutch policy of "harms reduction" |
| 10:05.01 | hali | i prefer the pre-pubescent teenagers look |
| 10:05.02 | bilarh | stephanb_: well, i'm all for legalizing all drugs |
| 10:05.22 | hali | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=517198059628627413 <- the british army doing LSD |
| 10:05.27 | bilarh | hmm... one could be excused for thinking one had accidentically joined #sextalk instead of #gllug |
| 10:05.52 | Leeds | bilarh: that's not fair... #sexndrugstalk, surely? |
| 10:05.53 | stephanb_ | bilarh: but no politician can because of the daily mail effect |
| 10:06.12 | hali | the legalisation of small brothels in england is very successful |
| 10:06.19 | hali | soho is much "cleaner" in that sense |
| 10:06.27 | hali | but you see more signs for "oriental model, no rush" |
| 10:06.40 | stephanb_ | hali: oh i didn't know that |
| 10:06.45 | hali | but there is pretty much no curb crawlling at all |
| 10:07.15 | stephanb_ | in paris the situation is a disaster |
| 10:07.27 | hali | it's legal to have two working girls and a maid in the uk... |
| 10:07.41 | stephanb_ | minivans in the bois de boulogne with no sanitation |
| 10:07.41 | hali | as a brothel goes |
| 10:08.12 | Leeds | anyway, I appear to be taking Jasmine, Leslie and Cathy to this party, and expecting to meet up with Jenny there |
| 10:08.47 | Leeds | well, really taking Jasmine and Cathy, and Jasmine is bringing Leslie |
| 10:09.35 | niv_one_three | y would you do this? |
| 10:09.44 | niv_one_three | aint a 1on1 better? |
| 10:10.23 | hali | i wouldn't have the stamina to do four girls |
| 10:10.24 | bilarh | hali: it's also got lots of nice red lighting :) |
| 10:10.38 | hali | bilarh: indeed, very cosy |
| 10:10.50 | niv_one_three | hali: been there - done that |
| 10:11.32 | stephanb_ | niv_one_three: sush. don't tell him, they are robots. it's a double blind test for Sony |
| 10:11.36 | hali | niv_one_three: been in soho and done the prossies? |
| 10:11.41 | Leeds | well... Cathy is a friend in need... I've never met Jenny, but she approached me to talk about the party, so she'd know someone there... and Jasmine wants to bring Leslie to meet me |
| 10:12.33 | stephanb_ | "a friend in need" :-o |
| 10:12.55 | Leeds | she called me this afternoon in tears |
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| 10:13.23 | cpufreak | o/~ a friend in need's a friend in deed, a friend with weed is better o/~ |
| 10:13.35 | Leeds | I really doubt she's got weed |
| 10:13.50 | bilarh | cpufreak: :D |
| 10:14.02 | cpufreak | Leeds: its a line from a placebo song |
| 10:14.10 | Leeds | cpufreak: yes, I know |
| 10:14.38 | bilarh | ls |
| 10:14.40 | bilarh | ffs |
| 10:14.53 | Leeds | ffs: command not found |
| 10:15.20 | hali | and im sure we don't want to see bilarh's ls output ... i bet PWD is /mystuff/pr0n |
| 10:15.21 | bilarh | it is, however, a part of the std c lib :D |
| 10:15.30 | bilarh | SYNOPSIS #include <strings.h> |
| 10:15.30 | bilarh | int ffs(int i); |
| 10:15.37 | bilarh | man ffs :) |
| 10:15.46 | Leeds | oh, so it is :-) |
| 10:16.08 | Leeds | hali: /mystuff/hairypr0n, surely? |
| 10:16.16 | hali | probably so |
| 10:16.23 | bilarh | hali: i like to share, so it's /pubic/hair |
| 10:16.27 | bilarh | er, public |
| 10:16.46 | Leeds | um... |
| 10:16.46 | hali | or both |
| 10:30.04 | SlayerXP | who's turn is it to publically humiliate juergen schinker? |
| 10:30.24 | Leeds | SlayerXP: oh, I think you, Tethys and Nix have that one sewn up between them |
| 10:30.47 | SlayerXP | he has me on ignore, remember |
| 10:30.55 | Leeds | ah, point |
| 10:31.23 | murb | who are you trying to publically humiliate? |
| 10:31.28 | murb | and does he IRC? |
| 10:36.29 | Leeds | hmm... Doctor Who got hairy, cynical and invisible |
| 10:53.29 | *** part/#gllug stephanb_ (n=stef@212-139-250-100.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 11:02.17 | wethrin | murb: Juergen Schinker |
| 11:02.24 | wethrin | And I think occasionally as adminjs |
| 11:02.29 | murb | wethrin: means nothing to me. |
| 11:03.09 | wethrin | murb: RTFML |
| 11:03.23 | murb | wethrin: i think i don't want to. |
| 11:06.38 | wethrin | SlayerXP: BIND by default - does it cache queries? |
| 11:06.57 | SlayerXP | wethrin: in any sane default config, yes |
| 11:07.04 | wethrin | Right. Good. |
| 11:07.18 | Leeds | wait, adminjs is Jeurgen? |
| 11:07.33 | wethrin | I'm about 85% sure |
| 11:08.04 | SlayerXP | Jason's applied a suitable LART |
| 11:08.08 | wethrin | Ahh. Jason++ # giving the proper verbal slapdown |
| 11:08.51 | wethrin | Not seen much from Henry lately. Nor Diana |
| 11:21.21 | morsing | Nice |
| 11:21.42 | bilarh | there isn't really anything similar to structs in c in perl, is there? |
| 11:22.34 | bilarh | i'm getting a little bit annoyed with having a hash with references to arrays, containing scalars and references to other arrays |
| 11:23.11 | bilarh | in c i'd just have a struct { char blah[255]; struct *blah2 |
| 11:23.16 | bilarh | hmm |
| 11:23.20 | wethrin | Use an object? |
| 11:23.37 | bilarh | but then again, blah2 would have to be a linked list or something some such |
| 11:23.47 | bilarh | nah, overkill for my little text analyser :) |
| 11:23.57 | bilarh | atleast i don't have to pee about with strcmp :) |
| 11:24.15 | bilarh | i always *really* hated that strcmp returns 0 on match and -1 or 1 on no match |
| 11:24.30 | bilarh | so you get code like "if (! strcmp(s1, s2)) { |
| 11:24.36 | bilarh | which looks completely counterintuitive |
| 11:25.00 | bilarh | mind, i usuually define a macro streq instead |
| 11:25.01 | wethrin | To test if strings match, y'mean? Aye, that is a bit... |
| 11:25.10 | bilarh | but, still not pretty |
| 11:25.39 | wethrin | true |
| 11:28.07 | z00dax | meep |
| 11:29.41 | bilarh | in lisp, can you have lists in lists? |
| 11:29.48 | bilarh | i might have to look into lisp, i think |
| 11:30.09 | bilarh | because representing data like that would be quite neat, i think |
| 11:30.26 | wethrin | mmm....emacs |
| 11:30.44 | bilarh | well, it's not really lisp is it :) |
| 11:30.53 | wethrin | common-lisp :) |
| 11:30.53 | bilarh | more like an editor with a lisp :) |
| 11:31.01 | bilarh | is there OO-lisp? :) |
| 11:31.03 | wethrin | And can be tied into using scheme instead |
| 11:31.16 | wethrin | So, err, it really is rather like lisp with a convenient editor attached :) |
| 11:31.22 | bilarh | hehe :) |
| 11:31.34 | wethrin | Fancy giving a Gllug talk sometime? |
| 11:31.37 | bilarh | it's an operating system cleverly disguised as an editor, apparently :) |
| 11:31.42 | z00dax | an editor ? emacs has an editor now ? |
| 11:31.58 | wethrin | z00dax: Well.....a very basic one |
| 11:32.04 | z00dax | right |
| 11:32.10 | z00dax | thats what i remember of it |
| 11:32.12 | bilarh | it beats ed hands down :) |
| 11:32.22 | bilarh | edlin.exe, horror of horrors |
| 11:32.32 | wethrin | ed is the standard unix editor! |
| 11:32.41 | wethrin | Very useful |
| 11:32.49 | Leeds | party time! |
| 11:32.56 | z00dax | Leeds: take pictures |
| 11:33.09 | Leeds | other people will... I'll direct to them |
| 11:33.24 | z00dax | oh you mean, there is a real party |
| 11:33.27 | z00dax | cool, have fun |
| 11:33.30 | Leeds | yes :-) |
| 11:33.38 | Leeds | going to be something like 90 people there |
| 11:33.40 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:33.44 | wethrin | enjoy! |
| 11:37.53 | antiphase | His lack of comprehension about DNS is astounding |
| 11:38.32 | wethrin | Yes. Even I know about it, and I'm not a professional sysadmin any more :) |
| 11:38.33 | *** join/#gllug goibhniu (n=cillian@grail1.oxfam.org.uk) |
| 11:38.41 | wethrin | (or network, if you prefer) |
| 11:42.01 | bilarh | i want to design my own programming language |
| 11:42.12 | bilarh | it would have to be astonishingly 'correct' |
| 11:42.22 | z00dax | this is the same guy who wrote off all other distros in favour of gentoo a short while back ? |
| 11:42.26 | bilarh | but that probably also makes it astonishingly hard to use and express anything in :( |
| 11:42.36 | antiphase | Use Perl, Ruby or D |
| 11:42.48 | bilarh | ooh, never heard of D |
| 11:42.56 | bilarh | i use perl quite regularely at the moment |
| 11:43.02 | antiphase | Perl 4tw |
| 11:43.15 | bilarh | i want a language where everything is represented as a natural number |
| 11:43.20 | bilarh | and then everything should be built on top of that |
| 11:43.29 | z00dax | code in sanskrit |
| 11:43.29 | bilarh | i did a maths course once at uni where such a machine was implemented |
| 11:43.33 | bilarh | on paper :) |
| 11:43.39 | antiphase | Sounds completely useless tbh |
| 11:43.40 | bilarh | i want it in real code |
| 11:43.52 | bilarh | yeah, ultimately, but it was an interesting experience |
| 11:44.00 | antiphase | Binary is quite good at representing natural numbers already, the abstraction is all you need |
| 11:44.03 | bilarh | eventually the machine could do string manipulation and spell checking :D |
| 11:44.22 | bilarh | yeah of cousre, the course was all about different levels of abstraction |
| 11:44.57 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 11:45.49 | bilarh | e.g. it would start off with something like "i is a natural number" |
| 11:45.49 | bilarh | sorry, n |
| 11:45.49 | bilarh | "i is (n, n)" |
| 11:45.49 | bilarh | first number to specify sign and second for value |
| 11:45.49 | bilarh | etc etc |
| 11:45.49 | bilarh | it was really quite cool |
| 11:45.52 | hali | bilarh: have you seen cobol syntax? |
| 11:45.52 | bilarh | or maybe i'm just geeky :) |
| 11:46.14 | bilarh | well, it wasn't done in ascii like that... we used the "is a" symbol, but i can't type it |
| 11:46.26 | hali | i had to update some cobol code the other week, the syntax is so beautful |
| 11:46.34 | hali | +i |
| 11:46.48 | hali | A=A+20 is "Add 20 to A" |
| 11:47.05 | bilarh | well, you can actually write a=a+20 as well, afaik |
| 11:47.12 | hali | in cobol? |
| 11:47.15 | bilarh | yeah |
| 11:47.23 | hali | i didn't know that... how rude |
| 11:47.27 | hali | that syntax is butt ugly |
| 11:47.28 | z00dax | it worked that way in gwbasic as well |
| 11:47.31 | bilarh | i'm not putting any money on it, but i'm pretty sure you can |
| 11:47.33 | antiphase | You could also do that in BASIC. What's your point? :) |
| 11:47.45 | bilarh | basic is post cobol though |
| 11:47.51 | hali | im just saying that nice cobol code is extremly easy to read |
| 11:47.52 | antiphase | Yes. |
| 11:48.17 | antiphase | It's probably extremely long, like finger painting as opposed to the Van Goghness of Perl, for example |
| 11:48.26 | z00dax | mov ax,foo ; mov bx,20 ; add ax,bx ; pop ax |
| 11:48.36 | bilarh | zoodax: bah, dip switches! :) |
| 11:48.36 | hali | i must say i really hate reading perl code |
| 11:48.40 | bilarh | or soldered cables :) |
| 11:48.41 | goibhniu | morsing! |
| 11:48.44 | hali | at least 90% of all perl code |
| 11:48.49 | bilarh | nice perl code isn't too bad |
| 11:48.54 | hali | since 90% of all perl coders (including myself) write fucking bad perl code |
| 11:49.01 | antiphase | You can fit a lot of functionality into a pageful though |
| 11:49.05 | hali | i bet you do |
| 11:49.19 | z00dax | most well one asm is also very easy to read, not so much easy to make sense out of, but very easy to read |
| 11:49.23 | bilarh | well, any code looks ugly if you don't think about the way it looks |
| 11:49.32 | bilarh | i've read some pretty horrible c-code in my days |
| 11:49.35 | antiphase | Sometimes I like golfing, other times when it's clear that only other people will ever see it I might be more circumspect |
| 11:50.34 | bilarh | what i think i mean is that it's not perl as such, it's programmers bad practices |
| 11:51.01 | hali | and languages like perl or php with the extremly sloppy and loosly written syntax doesn't really help |
| 11:51.02 | bilarh | and i think that all languages that are not very strongly typed are suspectible to the same "user bug" |
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| 11:51.46 | robo_ro | lo |
| 11:51.47 | goibhniu | isn't smalltalk the thinking person's language? |
| 11:51.53 | bilarh | smalltalk is cool |
| 11:52.02 | bilarh | but it's so bloody verbose it gets on my nerves |
| 11:52.08 | bilarh | i did a course in it once :) |
| 11:52.20 | bilarh | and it's not true that everything is an object in it either |
| 11:52.33 | z00dax | robo_ro: |
| 11:52.35 | bilarh | eventually you end up with instructions that are essentially "system calls" to actually do stuff |
| 11:52.40 | bilarh | hidden far down in Object |
| 11:52.56 | z00dax | bilarh: what you really want, really really want, is asm |
| 11:53.02 | z00dax | everything else is just a waste |
| 11:53.07 | bilarh | hehe yeah |
| 11:53.13 | bilarh | i used to do a bit of 8086 asm |
| 11:53.21 | bilarh | well, real mode asm on the 386 |
| 11:53.30 | bilarh | that was confusing though |
| 11:53.44 | bilarh | i remember spending two days trying to figure out how to multiply two integers :P |
| 11:53.50 | z00dax | :D |
| 11:53.53 | z00dax | I've done that too |
| 11:53.53 | bilarh | the next time it only took two hours, mind :) |
| 11:53.58 | antiphase | I used to do 68k asm on my Amiga because I couldn't afford a C compiler. It was pretty tiresome though. |
| 11:54.28 | antiphase | movem.l A0-A6/D0-D7, -(SP) |
| 11:54.29 | bilarh | i was never any good with assembler... i only wanted to do stuff in screen mode 13h, so never really played around with it that much |
| 11:54.41 | bilarh | and then i found out that turbo pascal could have inline assembler |
| 11:54.43 | bilarh | and that was that |
| 11:54.50 | goibhniu | isn't it chinese you should be learning anyway .. I was reminded yesterday that 2007 is when they take over the internet |
| 11:54.59 | bilarh | i ended up writing a demo for a demo party in pascal, but it was all assembler apart from the function calls :) |
| 11:56.12 | bilarh | it might still be on the internet somewhere :) |
| 11:56.12 | z00dax | quite scary |
| 11:56.12 | z00dax | the things that 'might still be on the internet' |
| 11:56.24 | bilarh | hehe ) |
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| 11:58.39 | bilarh | bastards, geocities have deleted the page |
| 11:58.46 | bilarh | it was only 10 years old :) |
| 11:59.01 | z00dax | i thought they only did that for pages that got no hits in 6 months |
| 11:59.09 | bilarh | hehehe |
| 11:59.11 | bilarh | cheers :P |
| 11:59.19 | bilarh | make me feel better :) |
| 12:00.35 | bilarh | my god |
| 12:00.41 | bilarh | blast from the past: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~hbilar/ |
| 12:01.16 | bilarh | i seem to recall that all the CGI is actually written in bash |
| 12:01.27 | bilarh | which probably explains why it's so bloody slow :) |
| 12:03.13 | hali | i think lysator disabled un-approved cgi after the breakin |
| 12:03.17 | bilarh | but it still works |
| 12:03.26 | bilarh | or they approved it :) |
| 12:03.30 | hali | i got an error |
| 12:03.44 | bilarh | weird |
| 12:03.45 | bilarh | it works for me |
| 12:03.47 | bilarh | but it's very slow |
| 12:04.21 | bilarh | try again? |
| 12:04.52 | hali | got something this time |
| 12:04.55 | hali | but _slow_ |
| 12:05.00 | bilarh | yeah, it's terrible |
| 12:05.04 | bilarh | lysator was never really fast though |
| 12:05.17 | bilarh | i bet it runs on an old sequent 386 or something :) |
| 12:07.53 | hali | probably a e450 |
| 12:07.55 | hali | an |
| 12:08.04 | bilarh | nah that would be way faster than that :) |
| 12:08.32 | wethrin | E450s aren't that slow |
| 12:08.37 | hali | they are |
| 12:08.42 | bilarh | nah we used to have one |
| 12:08.43 | bilarh | it was ok |
| 12:08.53 | bilarh | it ran a database, the company web server, email etc |
| 12:08.57 | bilarh | you name it, it was on the 450 |
| 12:09.08 | wethrin | Um. We were using them for Unix shell access at the university |
| 12:09.10 | bilarh | it even did billing and crap |
| 12:09.21 | hali | crap |
| 12:09.22 | wethrin | And they never seemed to blink |
| 12:09.32 | z00dax | wethrin: what ? 1 450 ? |
| 12:09.35 | z00dax | for both the students ? |
| 12:09.50 | bilarh | that's because it took so long for them to update the turn the cursor on / off that it appeared to not blink |
| 12:10.09 | wethrin | z00dax: 3 4x-CPU E450s |
| 12:10.17 | wethrin | One of which was replaced by a 5-node Linux 'cluster' |
| 12:10.19 | bilarh | s/update// |
| 12:10.24 | hali | they're not very cost effecitve in todays terms |
| 12:10.25 | bilarh | ffs, never m ind |
| 12:10.28 | hali | huge boxes, slow |
| 12:10.40 | bilarh | yeah but how long ago was it the e450 was launched? |
| 12:10.46 | bilarh | there's nothing wrong with slow boxes though |
| 12:10.52 | hali | thats the point here, it _old_ |
| 12:11.03 | wethrin | It's quite cost effective. Doesn't cost anything to get :) |
| 12:11.09 | bilarh | we used a sparc-station 5 to act as a modem / fax server, terminal server, print spooler etc up until 2005 |
| 12:11.17 | bilarh | it was 12 years old at that time |
| 12:11.26 | bilarh | still on original hard drives too :D |
| 12:11.27 | wethrin | I use an Ultra5 as my firewall |
| 12:11.29 | hali | bilarh: and i can't remember how many times you whined about it :) |
| 12:11.36 | bilarh | hali: yeah but still :P |
| 12:11.37 | wethrin | U1 as DNS/DHCP server |
| 12:11.40 | bilarh | ignoring that part |
| 12:11.50 | bilarh | wethrin: no, this was a ss5, no us :) |
| 12:11.59 | wethrin | bilarh: Well, if it works... :) |
| 12:12.00 | bilarh | not us, even |
| 12:12.01 | z00dax | I have a dual opteron as my, umm... everything now |
| 12:12.16 | z00dax | even runs a few VM's for various things |
| 12:12.46 | hali | i have my dual core laptop, even runs a few vm's for my oracle and solaris testing |
| 12:13.12 | antiphase | I know of an Ultra1 that's doing DNS for a surprisingly large number of people |
| 12:13.22 | antiphase | ph33r for the day it blows its single disk |
| 12:13.39 | bilarh | antiphase: it's one 1&1, is it? :) |
| 12:13.42 | wethrin | DNS really isn't that intensive, though. Unless you're a root server :) |
| 12:13.45 | bilarh | that's probably how they keep their prices so low |
| 12:25.44 | bilarh | i want to go out for a drive *sigh* |
| 12:25.47 | bilarh | it's too nice to sit indoors |
| 12:29.47 | z00dax | nice ? |
| 12:29.56 | z00dax | you mean at -1 its nicer outside ? |
| 12:30.11 | bilarh | it's really nice and clear :) |
| 12:30.15 | bilarh | the sun is out :D |
| 12:30.29 | bilarh | i can't wait for the snow |
| 12:30.38 | z00dax | what snow ? |
| 12:30.45 | wethrin | There was a little bit of snow here |
| 12:30.52 | bilarh | hopefully the trains wont run and I'll *have* to take the scooby out to spin it around the parking lot :) |
| 12:30.57 | bilarh | or into a brick wall |
| 12:31.02 | bilarh | don't know what's more likely :-\ |
| 12:31.23 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 12:31.32 | wethrin | pong |
| 12:31.45 | morsing | How are you? |
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| 12:31.53 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 12:31.59 | wethrin | Okay. Tidying my desk a bit :) |
| 12:32.08 | dick_turpin | morsing: christ that was quick |
| 12:32.13 | morsing | What's happening tonight then? |
| 12:32.28 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: |
| 12:33.19 | goibhniu | dick_turpin! |
| 12:33.30 | goibhniu | my t-shirt arrived!! |
| 12:33.33 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: It's arrived! |
| 12:33.46 | morsing | wethrin? |
| 12:34.03 | wethrin | tonight? I've got orchestra practice |
| 12:34.08 | morsing | 'k |
| 12:34.14 | morsing | No drinks anywhere? |
| 12:35.19 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: What t-shirt? |
| 12:35.20 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: the card? |
| 12:35.43 | wethrin | morsing: Can you come up to Durham? |
| 12:35.59 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 12:36.01 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Yep, do you think the install disk will run under suse? ;-) |
| 12:36.06 | morsing | Anything going on in London? |
| 12:36.07 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: the t-shirt for the cult I belong to ... marvinsuicide.org |
| 12:36.36 | goibhniu | morsing: David Lynch premiere tonight :D |
| 12:37.09 | goibhniu | or erm ... tomorrow (/me is a little excited) |
| 12:37.42 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: So you like peeing in the street then? |
| 12:38.20 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: I don't understand this peeing thing ... I don't pee when I'm excited |
| 12:38.25 | morsing | goibhniu: Tonight? |
| 12:38.53 | goibhniu | tomorrow |
| 12:39.07 | goibhniu | I can ask him a question |
| 12:39.18 | goibhniu | ... hmm ... why do people sleep on beds? |
| 12:39.39 | wethrin | They're comfortable |
| 12:39.40 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: It says on the site "Don't like using public toilets" my mind, for some peverted reason, thought "Pee in the street then" |
| 12:39.42 | SlayerXP | because sleeping on nettles is irritating |
| 12:43.09 | goibhniu | wethrin: ok .. we've got that covered ... I've run out of questions now :( |
| 12:43.20 | goibhniu | he gets his inspiration from tm |
| 12:43.34 | goibhniu | not from drugs like everyone else |
| 12:44.42 | goibhniu | or possibly a combination ... I can ask him that .. what's a good drug for meditating? |
| 12:45.01 | antiphase | heroin |
| 12:45.09 | dick_turpin | exlax |
| 12:48.26 | morsing | Nettles are cool |
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| 12:50.38 | goibhniu | folks I appreciate you opinions and all that ... but I'm trying to think of a question not an answer |
| 12:53.33 | antiphase | What was the answer? |
| 12:53.41 | bilarh | anti: no that's a question |
| 12:53.49 | bilarh | anti: but probably for the wrong answer |
| 12:53.57 | goibhniu | the answer I'm looking for is a question |
| 12:54.19 | goibhniu | sorry ... I forgot I was in #gllug ... let me rephrase |
| 12:54.28 | goibhniu | are there any question experts here? |
| 12:55.41 | eyore | i missed the begining of this but it sounds fun |
| 12:55.50 | eyore | do we have an answer for the missing question? |
| 12:56.09 | robo_ro | goibhniu: salvia divinorum |
| 12:57.01 | antiphase | Ask him if he's a paedophile, because he looks like one |
| 12:57.58 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: more background as to Who, Why, What. Then I'll do you two questions for the price of one, cash up front nothing to pay for 12 months :-) |
| 12:58.02 | wethrin | Are you thinking of ways of winding up Jurgen? :) |
| 13:00.35 | eyore | ask him "How exactly the red lampshade was relevant?" cos i never really understood. |
| 13:00.47 | bilarh | what are you lot on about? :) |
| 13:01.34 | antiphase | David Lynch |
| 13:03.02 | goibhniu | Hello? |
| 13:03.05 | Cope | hello |
| 13:03.14 | goibhniu | I've got a problem with a question ... can anybody help me??? |
| 13:03.53 | Cope | Do you actually have a problem/question? or are you just being silly? |
| 13:03.58 | psnl | wethrin: flame flame flame |
| 13:04.01 | eyore | you didn't like the red lamp shade question? |
| 13:04.10 | goibhniu | nevermind ... it's fixed now |
| 13:04.13 | goibhniu | gw280: you suck |
| 13:04.19 | eyore | how about "Life. Is it all a dream?" |
| 13:04.24 | boudiccas | 42 |
| 13:04.30 | gw280 | goibhniu: lies. |
| 13:04.38 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: |
| 13:04.47 | boudiccas | ;pppp |
| 13:05.11 | eyore | "What is 6 x 9?" |
| 13:05.21 | boudiccas | 54 |
| 13:05.26 | goibhniu | eyore: I know the answer to the red lampshade one |
| 13:05.43 | goibhniu | he was interviewed on studio360 if you're interested ... very good interview |
| 13:06.13 | eyore | so it is. my math isn't very good |
| 13:06.16 | eyore | lol |
| 13:06.52 | dick_turpin | eyore: s'ok neither is my spelling :-D |
| 13:06.55 | boudiccas | 10*6 =60 therfore -6 = 51 |
| 13:07.02 | boudiccas | 54 |
| 13:07.09 | boudiccas | damnded keybaord |
| 13:07.31 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Its a poor man who blames his tools |
| 13:07.52 | eyore | base 13 |
| 13:07.59 | boudiccas | well, i'm a poor woman and i blame my keybaord |
| 13:08.15 | morsing | boudiccas! |
| 13:08.23 | boudiccas | morsing! |
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| 13:10.32 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Your correct, I just took my shoes and socks off and I make it 54 as well |
| 13:10.40 | morsing | Jasperw! |
| 13:10.50 | boudiccas | lol |
| 13:27.57 | eyore | "6 x 9" was the question to the answer 42 pulled out in scrabble letters by Arthur dent. |
| 13:28.01 | eyore | pretty sure it was anyway |
| 13:28.10 | eyore | I only just realised it doesn't actually equal 42 |
| 13:28.20 | eyore | A joke i presume |
| 13:28.40 | eyore | a joke that the mathematically literate probably realised first time round |
| 13:30.31 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: What did you think of the 'metisse' or have you not looked yet? |
| 13:30.42 | morsing | I only realised it the 3rd time round so what am I? |
| 13:31.22 | eyore | well you probably realised 8 years earlier than me |
| 13:36.52 | gw280 | hrmm |
| 13:41.27 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: oh yeah ... I had a look ... I heard it was nice .. there's some window curling effect too ... to peel back one over another, doesn't excite me too much though, I'm looking forward to the next beryl |
| 13:42.07 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: I would say looking glass is closer to what you've in mind though |
| 13:43.27 | goibhniu | antiphase: lewis carroll was a paedo ... does david lynch look like him? |
| 13:43.32 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Yeah but I'll stick with Beryl maybe they'll incorperate some of the bits I fancy, looking forward to water maybe tonight although I'm depressed about the reconfiguring ahead of me |
| 13:44.24 | goibhniu | reconfiguring? ... the spaghetti in your box? |
| 13:45.30 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: The graphics card, I bet its not like Windows, whats the betting I have to run through sax2 then nvidia update :'( |
| 13:46.35 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: of course it's like windows ... that's the whole point ... copy windows ... but make it less user friendly |
| 13:46.55 | goibhniu | what's sax2? |
| 13:47.15 | goibhniu | the very most you should need to do is reinstall the drivers ... dunno if you need to though |
| 13:47.27 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Its part of Yast its for configuring your dispaly adapter |
| 13:47.40 | dick_turpin | display even |
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| 13:48.06 | goibhniu | unless you want to bump up the resolution or something, that shouldn't be necessary |
| 13:48.50 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I'm gonna stick it in and fire the beast up and see what happens maybe I'll get lucky |
| 13:49.27 | goibhniu | I really don't think you need to reinstall the module either ... if it were windows you'd probably need to uninstall, rebooot, reinstall, reboot ... and hope you don't have to reinstall everything from scratch |
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| 13:49.54 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: I just hope it fits in the slot :D |
| 13:50.28 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Should do according to the box it fits any AGP or PCI slot |
| 13:51.13 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: btw the water effect is shite |
| 13:51.30 | goibhniu | :D |
| 13:52.47 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Ted Haeger (Opensuse) showed me his and it looked lovely |
| 13:53.25 | goibhniu | ah well ... I do have it turned on too tbh |
| 13:53.57 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Actually its the rain I want |
| 13:54.25 | goibhniu | oh! I don't like that at all ... horses for courses |
| 13:55.18 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: lol, I can turn it on when things go wrong, it'll make a change for the box to cry instead of me |
| 13:56.01 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: I would have thought blood oozing out of the screen would have been more your style |
| 13:57.18 | morsing | Why's the thing in a door called a letterbox when it's not a box? |
| 13:57.24 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: It certainley gets upset when touched by a taser gun |
| 13:57.45 | SlayerXP | morsing: for some people it is |
| 13:58.06 | goibhniu | morsing: it's english .. it's not a language it's a language framework ... just make it up as you go |
| 13:58.32 | dick_turpin | morsing: Becuase some house have a box behind it to catch all the fireworks and dog faeces |
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| 14:07.12 | Cope | hellop |
| 14:07.13 | Cope | :) |
| 14:07.38 | z00dax | hey! Get home 'sober' last night ? |
| 14:07.45 | Cope | absolutely |
| 14:07.59 | z00dax | oh no, we must try harder next time |
| 14:08.01 | Cope | had a train to catch, and a car do drive back from the station |
| 14:09.14 | morsing | faeces? |
| 14:09.17 | morsing | Cope! |
| 14:11.28 | dick_turpin | morsing: Its a quaint English tradition, sticking dog crap through the letter box of people you don't like. Its what made this country great |
| 14:12.48 | phearless | hi guys! |
| 14:13.10 | phearless | I have to tell you something : I hate Bind9 |
| 14:13.19 | boudiccas | that counts me out then :( |
| 14:13.37 | boudiccas | can i still listen in please phearless |
| 14:17.45 | phearless | what does "count me out" means? |
| 14:18.47 | z00dax | 'excude' |
| 14:19.24 | boudiccas | exclude |
| 14:20.30 | boudiccas | iow, that excludes me then :( |
| 14:21.21 | z00dax | s/oda/oday/ |
| 14:21.47 | boudiccas | z00dax; hungover? |
| 14:22.00 | z00dax | only on diet coke |
| 14:22.24 | boudiccas | :o) |
| 14:33.03 | *** join/#gllug Nermal (n=peter@lucy.nermal.net) |
| 14:33.17 | Nermal | hmm.. whats thesocial email addy again ? |
| 14:33.40 | Nermal | was going to rally the troops for battersea beer festival tonight |
| 14:34.30 | wethrin | Ahoy |
| 14:34.37 | wethrin | social@lists.gllug.org.uk |
| 14:34.46 | wethrin | http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/social |
| 14:36.29 | Nermal | hi wethrin |
| 14:36.38 | Nermal | can you confirm my subscriotion request please ? |
| 14:36.59 | wethrin | You should be able to do that yourself :) |
| 14:37.12 | wethrin | Hang on.... |
| 14:37.52 | wethrin | what's your email address? |
| 14:38.43 | Nermal | the nermal.org one |
| 14:39.11 | Nermal | I've subscribed by but it's apparently being queued for approval |
| 14:39.31 | wethrin | Um. What's the first letter? |
| 14:39.36 | Nermal | oh wait |
| 14:39.37 | Nermal | hang on |
| 14:39.48 | wethrin | Mailman should've sent you a subscription confirmation request |
| 14:40.22 | Nermal | lets see if this works.. |
| 14:40.26 | Nermal | using webmai lfrom work :/ |
| 14:42.09 | Nermal | hmmm.. well I've confirmed and sent the email |
| 14:42.13 | Nermal | so just have to see if it arrives now |
| 14:42.26 | wethrin | Well, there's a new member that's just appeared on the list (140 members rather than 139) |
| 14:42.30 | wethrin | So I assume that should be you |
| 14:42.38 | Nermal | :) |
| 14:42.42 | wethrin | You're on there |
| 14:45.05 | Nermal | hmm. no email back from me yet :\ |
| 14:45.28 | SlayerXP | you've subscribed to join in with slapping Herr Schinker? |
| 14:45.36 | Nermal | um |
| 14:45.38 | SlayerXP | seems redundant, there's no shortage of volunteers for that |
| 14:47.13 | wethrin | SlayerXP: No, he's joining the Social list |
| 14:47.49 | antiphase | So 140 people will be making sure that Schinker never works in the UK hopefully |
| 14:48.22 | wethrin | Gllug itself has 602 subscribers |
| 14:48.25 | Nermal | wethrin: any sign of my email yet ? |
| 14:48.35 | wethrin | Nermal: No, but it's not been bounced for moderation |
| 14:48.50 | Nermal | ah :/ |
| 14:49.04 | Nermal | can you do that ? |
| 14:49.33 | wethrin | If it's marked to be in the moderation queue, yes |
| 14:50.57 | wethrin | sorry - it's not been held up, and you're marked as being subscribed to the list |
| 14:51.21 | wethrin | Sometimes the list is a bit slow, depending what's happening on the ukfsn network |
| 14:51.34 | Nermal | its ok - I'm just tired and fed up |
| 14:51.41 | wethrin | Beer! |
| 14:51.53 | wethrin | Some London.pm folk may well be at the Beer festival |
| 14:51.59 | Nermal | quite - but as with anything - I imagine this will be an uphill slog |
| 14:53.50 | Nermal | then staying in and crying |
| 14:54.18 | wethrin | Wear your best beer-stained t-shirt! |
| 14:54.42 | murb | you best least beer stained shirt. |
| 14:55.17 | Nermal | quite |
| 14:55.27 | Nermal | the one thats still pliable |
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| 14:56.31 | Nermal | I did send it to social@lists.gllug.org.uk |
| 14:56.38 | Nermal | not just social@gllug.org.uk |
| 14:56.49 | Nermal | which was the address in the mailman email :| |
| 14:56.51 | wethrin | Ahh.... |
| 14:57.06 | Nermal | could that be the problem ? :| |
| 14:57.09 | wethrin | Yes |
| 14:57.21 | wethrin | What!? It's not my mail setup! |
| 14:57.26 | wethrin | Oh |
| 14:57.27 | wethrin | Buhh |
| 14:57.34 | wethrin | Sorry, I was being dim above |
| 14:58.08 | wethrin | Aha. Your email's come through |
| 14:58.12 | Nermal | "woo" |
| 15:04.07 | z00dax | umm Beerfest tonite! |
| 15:04.22 | wethrin | z00dax: Yes! |
| 15:04.31 | wethrin | Beer's good! |
| 15:04.31 | z00dax | cant make it |
| 15:04.46 | z00dax | I am off to whitstable in a bit |
| 15:05.07 | wethrin | He's in Hong Kong |
| 15:05.21 | z00dax | Leeds being about 9,000 miles away prolly wont make it either |
| 15:05.42 | Nermal | no commitment |
| 15:06.02 | antiphase | I was meant to be going to Battersea but I'm on call >:| |
| 15:06.25 | wethrin | Be on call at the festival! |
| 15:06.35 | Nermal | aye - it makes support calls much more fun |
| 15:06.37 | wethrin | Nermal: London.pm people may be going |
| 15:06.46 | Nermal | london.pm ? |
| 15:07.28 | wethrin | London Perl Mongers |
| 15:07.32 | wethrin | http://london.pm.org |
| 15:07.43 | Nermal | eek |
| 15:07.57 | Nermal | and I don't have my php tshirt with me :( |
| 15:08.40 | wethrin | harr |
| 15:16.16 | z00dax | thats ok, as long as you have the ruby one |
| 15:18.29 | Nermal | aaaaaaaaaaaaand.. no responses |
| 15:18.47 | wethrin | Often people don't respond. They just turn up |
| 15:18.54 | Nermal | oh splendid |
| 15:19.20 | wethrin | Herding cats and all that |
| 15:19.24 | Nermal | aye |
| 15:19.32 | niv_one_three | oh |
| 15:19.36 | Nermal | well.. the idea was that I would end up not being on my own at the beer festival |
| 15:19.45 | niv_one_three | hi there - what am I gona miss? |
| 15:19.48 | Nermal | but if I don't know what anyone looks like this could be a problem |
| 15:19.53 | wethrin | niv_one_three: A beer festival |
| 15:20.03 | niv_one_three | 10x wethrin :-) |
| 15:20.19 | wethrin | "I will be wearing $this t-shirt, and my contact number is 077xxxxxxxx" |
| 15:20.46 | Nermal | :S |
| 15:21.00 | Nermal | wethrin: are you going ? |
| 15:21.30 | wethrin | Nermal: I would, but I'm in Durham |
| 15:21.34 | wethrin | And have orchestra practice |
| 15:22.39 | Nermal | ahh |
| 15:27.52 | Nermal | I lobve HP manuals |
| 15:27.54 | Nermal | " For the duration of the self test, the Self Test LED stays on. |
| 15:27.54 | Nermal | â– |
| 15:28.14 | wethrin | :-) |
| 15:29.50 | wethrin | Nermal: There's at least one London.pm person coming |
| 15:34.40 | Nermal | after reading about why their meetings are when they are i'm not sure :| |
| 15:34.49 | Nermal | they seem a pedantic splitty bunch :| |
| 15:35.14 | wethrin | Nah. They're actually a fun bunch to go drinking with |
| 15:35.22 | Nermal | "he complained loudly that having a meeting on the first of the month didn't give him time to realise that a new month had started." |
| 15:35.38 | Nermal | hmm |
| 15:35.42 | wethrin | Indeed. Months creep up like that |
| 15:37.04 | Nermal | that sounds like a geek who can't cope in The Real World |
| 15:37.14 | *** part/#gllug mumperer (n=donald@rose963.demon.co.uk) |
| 15:38.36 | wethrin | Nermal: Yes. But this gives them an excuse for more drinking time in months which have a Thursday 1st. |
| 15:39.20 | wethrin | Which is never a bad thing :) |
| 15:39.37 | Nermal | true |
| 15:39.42 | Nermal | ah well.. |
| 15:39.50 | Nermal | maybe I'll just head home and have a bth |
| 15:39.52 | Nermal | bath :) |
| 15:40.37 | wethrin | That's just being lazy :-P |
| 15:41.19 | Nermal | nopr |
| 15:41.42 | Nermal | sick of trying to meet people :/ |
| 15:41.42 | Nermal | appears to be too much effort in a city of x million people |
| 15:41.48 | Nermal | so fuck it |
| 15:42.22 | wethrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.35 | wethrin | That's going on tomorrow - will be far easier to meet people there than at a beer festival |
| 15:43.07 | wethrin | Mostly because it's very easy to spot the London.pm crowd :) |
| 15:45.16 | Nermal | I don't know perl :@ |
| 15:46.19 | murb | do you know how to drink beer? |
| 15:46.25 | Nermal | caguely |
| 15:46.27 | Nermal | vaguely |
| 15:46.31 | murb | well then. |
| 15:46.38 | Nermal | gah bed at 10:30 pm and 'm still too tired to type properluy |
| 15:46.45 | Nermal | wtf |
| 15:48.11 | wethrin | Neither do I. I've never heard them talking Perl at socials, though |
| 15:48.42 | murb | wethrin: you've never been to a tech talk? |
| 15:48.48 | wethrin | No |
| 15:48.52 | murb | oh. |
| 15:48.57 | wethrin | It looked too much like Perl :) |
| 15:49.07 | murb | wethrin: pub afterwards. |
| 15:49.11 | wethrin | They pretty much never talk about Perl on IRC either :) |
| 15:50.06 | murb | i've not been on london.pm irc for *years* |
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| 16:06.59 | morsing | countd! |
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| 16:13.23 | Nermal | fucking radius |
| 16:15.53 | wethrin | Muahaha |
| 16:19.08 | morsing | huw-l! |
| 16:19.32 | wethrin | http://darkmonkey.org.uk/4/MOTIVATION/247/ |
| 16:20.19 | morsing | What? |
| 16:22.22 | wethrin | OOK |
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| 17:34.26 | secretlondon | ello all |
| 17:34.32 | wethrin | eyup |
| 17:44.40 | wethrin | How do? |
| 17:47.57 | secretlondon | i'm okay. in the net cafe getting the new ubuntu alpha iso to test |
| 17:48.05 | secretlondon | have the laptop working now with open bsd |
| 17:48.14 | secretlondon | I took it out on sunday to the pub |
| 17:48.30 | secretlondon | the battery is screwed but thats a hardwrae issue so I need to run on the mains |
| 17:49.01 | secretlondon | it's running fluxbox with firefox, thunderbird and logjam (which I compiled using the ports tree) |
| 17:49.06 | wethrin | By Ubuntu Alpha you mean Alpha-release, or Alpha architecture? |
| 17:49.09 | secretlondon | all good fun ;) |
| 17:49.14 | secretlondon | alpha release |
| 17:49.18 | wethrin | Batteries may be replaceable |
| 17:49.21 | secretlondon | I don't have an alpha arch. box |
| 17:49.33 | secretlondon | wethrin: true. I'm not sure for how much tho |
| 17:49.36 | wethrin | Want one? |
| 17:49.57 | secretlondon | so yes please :) |
| 17:50.09 | wethrin | Yes, but it's troublesome getting it in to London :-) |
| 17:50.28 | secretlondon | indeed |
| 17:51.06 | wethrin | I've got some *old* (i.e. first edition Alpha release hardware) at home, or I've got a faster one up in Durham |
| 17:51.37 | secretlondon | well whatever you're offering.. |
| 17:51.55 | wethrin | Either or both, or whatever :) |
| 17:53.15 | wethrin | I'm getting rid of most of my excess stuff around Easter-time, so shout if you want anything reserved beforehand :) |
| 17:53.31 | secretlondon | wethrin: I'd love an sgi box if you have one spare |
| 17:53.47 | wethrin | Um. I do, actually |
| 17:53.56 | wethrin | It's an O2 |
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| 17:54.51 | wethrin | Doesn't have a hard disk caddy, though, and being an SCA disk basically means....don't knock it when it's running |
| 17:55.33 | antiphase | If you do you can plug it back in while its on though :) |
| 17:55.48 | wethrin | Well, it's a nice theory :) |
| 17:55.56 | wethrin | I suspect the OS would object to its root disk being pulled, though |
| 17:56.00 | secretlondon | ya |
| 17:56.16 | cpufreak | depends if its mirrored or not |
| 17:56.43 | secretlondon | wethrin: and if you have a largish sca disk that would be cool (I know thats pushing it a bit) |
| 17:56.55 | wethrin | Dunno about largish. |
| 17:57.02 | wethrin | I've got some 4GB disks lying around |
| 17:57.09 | wethrin | And got disk arrays stuffed with 2GB disks |
| 17:57.29 | antiphase | I could probably find you a slightly used one from the magic work store if you need one and no-one else has got one |
| 17:58.13 | secretlondon | I don't *need* one. I've got an 18G one in aspidistra - just wondering if anyone has a spare anything bigger |
| 17:58.37 | wethrin | 18GB SCA? |
| 17:58.49 | secretlondon | yep |
| 17:58.56 | secretlondon | aspidistra = the ultra 1 |
| 17:59.04 | secretlondon | it came with it ;) |
| 17:59.17 | wethrin | Actually, my colo machine's got an 18GB SCA, and a 140ish GB 68-pin drive |
| 17:59.32 | wethrin | Otherwise my SCAs are 9s, 4.5s and 2s |
| 18:03.21 | eyore | is there some program under linux for creating diagrams |
| 18:03.26 | secretlondon | dia |
| 18:03.27 | wethrin | dia? |
| 18:03.28 | eyore | with squares and text, that kind of thing |
| 18:03.35 | wethrin | xfig! |
| 18:03.41 | secretlondon | diag makes flow charts etc - visio type thing |
| 18:03.48 | secretlondon | dia |
| 18:03.56 | eyore | it's for a web layout mockup |
| 18:03.58 | eyore | will try dia |
| 18:04.27 | wethrin | Right. Time to go home, I think |
| 18:04.27 | secretlondon | scribus is a dtp thingey |
| 18:04.27 | secretlondon | wethrin: see ya |
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| 18:37.49 | wethrin | ROARRRRRR |
| 18:38.22 | psnl | why? |
| 18:39.22 | wethrin | SMASHY SMASHY! |
| 18:40.04 | psnl | who are you, and what did you do with the wethrin who never throws stuff away? |
| 18:40.33 | wethrin | I'm not throwing it away! |
| 18:40.36 | wethrin | I'm giving it away |
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| 19:24.52 | secretlondon | bah timed out i think |
| 19:24.52 | secretlondon | this download has ground to a halt 83% of the way.. |
| 19:25.00 | Leeds | given that it ended with Jasmine buying me breakfast... :-) |
| 19:25.48 | secretlondon | cool |
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| 19:36.20 | Leeds | can anybody see http://photos.geoexpat.com/showphoto.php/photo/587 ? |
| 19:37.43 | secretlondon | yes |
| 19:37.55 | secretlondon | two chinese girls and a white guy |
| 19:38.18 | Leeds | wasn't sure if the photos were visible to non-members |
| 19:38.40 | Dick_Turpin | Leeds, is that you in the photo? |
| 19:39.01 | Leeds | yes |
| 19:39.08 | Leeds | with Jasmine and Cathy |
| 19:39.25 | Dick_Turpin | no wonder youre smiling |
| 19:39.51 | Leeds | also http://photos.geoexpat.com/showphoto.php/photo/600 |
| 19:40.43 | Dick_Turpin | cor youre a dab hand on the dance floor as well? |
| 19:40.51 | Dick_Turpin | Is there no end to your talents? |
| 19:41.18 | Leeds | wouldn't go as far as a dab hand... |
| 19:42.35 | Dick_Turpin | I particularly like the John Travolta hand pointing, very cool :-) |
| 19:43.24 | Leeds | really can't remember what I was dancing to at the time ;-) |
| 19:44.58 | Dick_Turpin | Blimey I think I need to sit in a dark room for a bit http://photos.geoexpat.com/showphoto.php/photo/619 |
| 19:46.33 | Leeds | I don't know the two on the top right, but the others, left to right, are Renata, Kris, Angela, Kelly and Job |
| 19:46.36 | Leeds | uh, Joy |
| 19:48.05 | Dick_Turpin | divorce even |
| 19:48.21 | Leeds | there are many good things about Hong Kong... |
| 19:48.23 | rhowe | o.O http://photos.geoexpat.com/showphoto.php/photo/519 |
| 19:49.40 | Dick_Turpin | Leeds, 10 team points if you can guess my favourite |
| 19:49.42 | Leeds | uh, yeah |
| 19:49.52 | Leeds | Dick_Turpin: lack of VAT? |
| 19:50.17 | Dick_Turpin | Leeds, ? |
| 19:50.29 | Leeds | Kris can be a bit enthusiastic with her camera |
| 19:50.55 | snow | are you ready for me? I'm coming visitint the south-east tomorrow |
| 19:51.28 | Dick_Turpin | snow, Can I come? |
| 19:51.48 | snow | how do i know? have you got a crystal ball? |
| 19:52.10 | Leeds | hah... I just walked home from the party, in just a shirt (with trousers_, etc.) at 2:30am in February, and I was warm :-) |
| 19:52.15 | Dick_Turpin | snow, No but I walk funny (work it out) |
| 19:52.33 | snow | sounds like you've got 2 crystal balls then |
| 19:52.46 | Dick_Turpin | snow, Ta da |
| 19:53.04 | catalyst | Dick_Turpin: so not too stealthy then |
| 19:53.05 | snow | its too cold to expose yourself |
| 19:53.07 | Leeds | I do tricks with the three of them! |
| 19:53.14 | snow | juggling |
| 19:53.15 | Dick_Turpin | Leeds, Phew not the one I was thinking of then |
| 19:53.55 | Leeds | snow: yeah... one of the fringe benefits of being a juggler is the right to make bad jokes about your balls |
| 19:54.01 | Dick_Turpin | catalyst, what with my size 9 hooves |
| 19:54.21 | snow | they're always on the go, up in the air! :)))) |
| 19:54.25 | catalyst | something like that |
| 20:00.15 | Leeds | for those who care, crappy phone shots at http://wanderingjew.co.uk/static/Cathy.jpg Jasmine.jpg and JasmineandCathy.jpg |
| 20:04.01 | Leeds | rhowe: your professional opinion? |
| 20:05.13 | morsing | rhowe! |
| 20:05.40 | morsing | snow: ? Are you sne on AIX? |
| 20:07.15 | snow | morsing; no. |
| 20:09.51 | morsing | :) |
| 20:18.43 | Leeds | I actually would like rhowe's opinion, but it'll have to wait, because it's well past my bed-time |
| 20:26.01 | secretlondon | ello boudiccas |
| 20:26.17 | boudiccas | secretlondon; hiyas :) |
| 20:36.12 | secretlondon | 96% of this bloody iso. I've had to but an extra hour on (again) *curses* |
| 20:37.35 | boudiccas | secretlondon; why didn't you ask one of us on broadband to get it for you? |
| 20:38.11 | secretlondon | boudiccas: because I didn't think it would take that long to be honest |
| 20:38.45 | boudiccas | well, netx time you want a distro d'l let me know and i'll do it for you and then post it onto you |
| 20:38.50 | boudiccas | *next |
| 20:39.06 | secretlondon | boudiccas: ooh thanks. It's just an ubuntu alpha release to test today |
| 20:39.43 | secretlondon | I'm gonna try and get debian etch when it finally appears ;) but that'll be several dvds worth which I can get on ebay for ease |
| 20:40.02 | boudiccas | i don't mind getting them for you |
| 20:43.38 | secretlondon | ooh thanks |
| 20:44.26 | boudiccas | you provide me with the url and i'll d'l them and if you provide the address then i'll burn them and post them off to you |
| 20:44.33 | boudiccas | its no problem |
| 20:45.20 | secretlondon | thanks - it was due out before xmas,. and then in january, I've no idea what the current eta is ;) |
| 20:45.54 | boudiccas | well, you let me know as and when |
| 20:47.20 | secretlondon | thanks - will do :) |
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| 21:15.38 | antiphase | The fucking Debian installer is shit |
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| 21:17.44 | secretlondon | it timed out on irc |
| 21:18.02 | secretlondon | and i seem to have all of the iso except 5M |
| 21:18.15 | secretlondon | and it's not doing anything .. |
| 21:26.51 | secretlondon | night all |
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| 22:17.22 | z00dax | noise on the gllug list is now getting to a level where it might be a candidate for auto-file-to-read-someday-when-there-is-nothing-else-to-do |
| 22:17.31 | z00dax | aftrswtinetd |
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| 22:35.42 | rhowe | heh |
| 22:35.47 | rhowe | Resident Evil on Film4 |
| 22:39.28 | wethrin | rhowe! |
| 22:39.36 | rhowe | evenin' |
| 22:39.59 | wethrin | How do, old chap? |
| 22:40.26 | rhowe | I just ate a rather large caesar salad |
| 22:42.56 | catalyst | kinky |
| 22:43.00 | catalyst | wait, wrong reaction |
| 22:43.35 | wethrin | Yes. He *Ate* it |
| 22:43.52 | catalyst | Rawr |
| 22:44.03 | catalyst | I just ate some cheese on toast and I now feel ill |
| 22:44.15 | catalyst | which I take as a good sign because I'm trying to forcibly change my eating habbits =) |
| 22:44.29 | wethrin | More steak! |
| 22:45.30 | clive-h | I have although I eat doner kebabs sober too |
| 22:45.54 | clive-h | usuallly on a friday lunch time |
| 22:46.06 | z00dax | *respect* |
| 22:46.30 | clive-h | with extra chilli |
| 22:46.52 | z00dax | prooly need that to help digest the fluff |
| 22:47.04 | hali | damn, i haven't had a nice steak in ages |
| 22:47.13 | hali | i need to schedule a visit to gaucho grill |
| 22:47.20 | clive-h | the local shop does a lovely mixed kebab |
| 22:47.35 | clive-h | but it's a bit big |
| 22:48.21 | clive-h | followed by garlic and shots for garlic booze |
| 22:48.24 | z00dax | whats wrong with the chickes in this dimension ? |
| 22:48.41 | z00dax | s/chickes/chickens/ |
| 22:49.02 | clive-h | I like chicken though prefer lamb kebabs |
| 22:49.26 | clive-h | which happen to be what I have in the freezer |
| 22:49.37 | z00dax | where do you live ? |
| 22:50.14 | clive-h | South East London |
| 22:50.26 | clive-h | It's not a night I fancy going out |
| 22:50.41 | z00dax | excellent, I do as well, I'll be over in 10 |
| 22:50.53 | z00dax | and we can see what's in the freezer first hand! |
| 22:50.58 | clive-h | so I could have microwave kebabs or noodles |
| 22:51.08 | z00dax | err, pass |
| 22:51.37 | clive-h | or various other stuff i don't fancy snacking on |
| 22:53.21 | z00dax | wethrin: ping |
| 22:54.05 | z00dax | wethrin: http://www.reductivelabs.com/ - Luke - is going to be in town pre-fosdem, if there is anything being planned in terms of a gllug meet |
| 22:54.25 | wethrin | Yo |
| 22:55.03 | wethrin | Looks interesting |
| 22:55.10 | wethrin | How much pre-Fosdem? |
| 22:56.31 | z00dax | 2-3 days |
| 22:56.47 | z00dax | he is flying in here, then onto fosdem |
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| 22:58.01 | z00dax | catalyst: heya |
| 22:58.59 | wethrin | Hmmm.....maybe the Thursday before? |
| 22:59.38 | z00dax | if there is some potential then I can ask him |
| 23:00.08 | rhowe | wethrin: pdr isn't driving to FOSDEM |
| 23:00.19 | rhowe | wethrin: So, I'm gonna look at eurostar prices now |
| 23:01.39 | wethrin | rhowe: GNER has special offers with Eurostar; it may even be cheaper for you to book a combined ticket from, say, Peterborough |
| 23:03.03 | rhowe | *nod* |
| 23:03.15 | wethrin | Although they might force you to go 1st class |
| 23:03.24 | rhowe | Yeah, that sucks |
| 23:03.32 | z00dax | does have free wifi though |
| 23:04.56 | murb | rhowe: could also be cheaper to fly. |
| 23:05.01 | rhowe | murb: *nod* |
| 23:05.07 | rhowe | Gatwick is very easy for me to get to from here |
| 23:05.16 | rhowe | City airport easy from the office |
| 23:05.17 | murb | i flew one year because it was about 2/3rd of the eurostar price. |
| 23:05.30 | murb | +didn't require going into london. |
| 23:05.45 | clive-h | eurostar is easy here |
| 23:05.46 | murb | but now they've hiked up airtravel duty i dunno. |
| 23:05.55 | clive-h | commute into waterloo |
| 23:06.05 | wethrin | Eurostar is ridiculously expensive |
| 23:06.06 | clive-h | arrive at gare de norde |
| 23:06.18 | murb | clive-h: hmm no, we are goingto brussels, nor paris! |
| 23:06.23 | clive-h | ahhhh |
| 23:06.33 | murb | and gare de norde smells |
| 23:06.36 | clive-h | not done eurostar on that |
| 23:06.42 | murb | of tabacco and urine. |
| 23:07.45 | clive-h | Though I did discover I can't drink a large glass of framboise |
| 23:08.13 | murb | clive-h: i think i twas a 5 quid bus ride to LHR or a return fair to london. |
| 23:08.21 | wethrin | z00dax: Do you know this Reductive guy? |
| 23:09.12 | clive-h | It's only a travelcard aye |
| 23:09.31 | clive-h | it's quite a lengthy journey timewise |
| 23:10.44 | murb | clive-h: a peroid return from wycombe to waterloo isn't really very cheap. |
| 23:10.54 | murb | maybe 15 quid i dunno now days |
| 23:10.57 | murb | maybe 20 |
| 23:11.26 | clive-h | Hmmm |
| 23:11.37 | clive-h | Hemel was 29 last time I did it |
| 23:11.42 | clive-h | so perhaps so |
| 23:12.13 | clive-h | Well Bletchley in fact |
| 23:13.06 | rhowe | OK, so Eurostar is £110 |
| 23:13.13 | rhowe | without GNER offer |
| 23:13.45 | wethrin | Hm. |
| 23:13.54 | wethrin | I paid £49.50 each way + GNER tickets |
| 23:16.39 | *** join/#gllug bingodash (n=maria@86.112.0.65) |
| 23:16.40 | catalyst | hey z00dax |
| 23:16.43 | catalyst | and others :) |
| 23:16.53 | bingodash | hello |
| 23:18.19 | wethrin | hi |
| 23:19.10 | murb | rhowe: 103,34 return to fly it seems |
| 23:19.19 | murb | out via lcy reutrn lhr |
| 23:19.27 | murb | probably find better i'm looking at skyscanner.net |
| 23:20.03 | murb | oh better 85,23 |
| 23:20.07 | murb | flying bmi |
| 23:20.21 | murb | from lhr |
| 23:20.42 | murb | inc taxes and surcharges and extra charges and charges for wings and fuel. |
| 23:21.13 | rhowe | £85 to fly with bmi |
| 23:21.32 | murb | fly body mass index or whatever it used to be. |
| 23:21.46 | rhowe | BD153 LHR -> BRU on the 23rd Feb, and BD154 to get back on sunday |
| 23:22.03 | murb | yep |
| 23:23.08 | murb | but from lhr which might not be so convient. |
| 23:23.14 | rhowe | yeah |
| 23:23.50 | rhowe | Extra £15 to go from LCY |
| 23:24.01 | rhowe | and extra £20 to return to it |
| 23:24.09 | rhowe | cheaper to get the piccadilly line |
| 23:24.33 | murb | 15 quid to LCY!! |
| 23:24.59 | murb | i use to get the northlondon line to silvertown and walk. |
| 23:25.04 | murb | d |
| 23:25.26 | z00dax | wethrin: yes, I know Luke |
| 23:26.34 | rhowe | murb: No, I mean that's the difference in flight cost |
| 23:27.54 | z00dax | flight also means need to get there 3 hrs earlier and a longish drive from 'port to city at other end |
| 23:28.24 | rhowe | How do you get from BRU to Brussels? |
| 23:28.45 | wethrin | z00dax: Okay. Fancy organising it? |
| 23:28.47 | wethrin | rhowe: Train |
| 23:28.54 | wethrin | About every 15 minutes |
| 23:29.04 | rhowe | cheap? |
| 23:30.25 | murb | rhowe: certainly not expensive from what i rember |
| 23:30.28 | wethrin | Yes |
| 23:30.33 | wethrin | It was < 5 EUR 1st class |
| 23:30.34 | murb | although i got a bus to mechelen first. |
| 23:31.03 | murb | wethrin: what is the point of 15 minutes in 1st class? |
| 23:31.48 | wethrin | murb: It was hardly any more expensive than standard |
| 23:31.49 | wethrin | nn murb |
| 23:32.53 | z00dax | wethrin: I dont really have the time unfortunately |
| 23:33.15 | wethrin | z00dax: Send the guy an email to see if he's willing to talk on Thursday evening? |
| 23:33.17 | z00dax | I can get Luke's email addy and send that over to yo |
| 23:33.34 | z00dax | ok. 21st Feb. let me ask |
| 23:34.24 | wethrin | Well, booking theatre at w'min is easy, if Sean can do it |
| 23:37.05 | z00dax | ok, you should have email |
| 23:38.31 | wethrin | ta |
| 23:41.31 | z00dax | wethrin: i do have a *sort of confirm* on irc, but we'll wait for a formal reply via email |
| 23:43.21 | wethrin | right! |
| 23:44.19 | z00dax | looks like my email got into the moderation queue for gllugadmin |
| 23:45.50 | wethrin | Ooh. Mail from Dean too |
| 23:57.06 | gw280 | wethrin: know much about set theory? |
| 23:58.40 | z00dax | wethrin: should have email from Luke - also stuck in queue |
| 23:58.46 | z00dax | gw280: heya |
