| 00:00.04 | goibhniu | yurp ... their setup is quite incredible |
| 00:01.13 | goibhniu | multi-site publishing with all kinds of workflows ... the developer of kupu the javascript based editor is the lead dev there |
| 00:01.48 | clive-h | Ahhhh |
| 00:04.47 | goibhniu | trousers_: the gentoo bugday didn't catch your interest? |
| 00:04.47 | goibhniu | it was pretty quiet in there |
| 00:04.47 | goibhniu | I'm gonna try helping out there myself one of these days |
| 00:07.15 | goibhniu | this t-mobile £1 a day max browsing thing sounds ok |
| 00:07.43 | murb | didn't orange used to offer something like that? |
| 00:08.34 | goibhniu | no idea |
| 00:09.05 | goibhniu | my brother objects to dealing with orange for ethical reasons ... so I'm not gonna even look |
| 00:09.48 | murb | ethical reasons? |
| 00:10.12 | murb | or just part of some random boycot? |
| 00:10.19 | goibhniu | he reckons there's a connection with the orange-men in NI |
| 00:10.35 | murb | Right... |
| 00:10.39 | goibhniu | he's pretty sure about it so that's good enough for me :D |
| 00:10.58 | goibhniu | if it was the ooompa looompas ... I'd investigate further |
| 00:10.58 | murb | goibhniu: does he also refused to fly easyjet? |
| 00:11.14 | murb | or visit the netherlands? |
| 00:11.21 | goibhniu | no ... seriously ... not just the colour |
| 00:12.03 | goibhniu | although when he talks about it ... he does kinda make it look like it should be obvious .. given the name etc :D |
| 00:13.24 | trousers_ | goibhniu: Nobody exaplined to me about bug fixing... |
| 00:13.48 | goibhniu | trousers_: they didn't understand what you wanted to know |
| 00:14.03 | trousers_ | How to fix frickin' bugs |
| 00:14.39 | goibhniu | I remember two bugs were mentioned and one was about something upstream in mysql ... that wouldn't have been a good one to look at |
| 00:14.50 | goibhniu | the other was just something in the ebuild was wrong |
| 00:15.21 | goibhniu | the idea would be to emerge that package .... verify it has the problem mentioned and try to fix it |
| 00:15.34 | goibhniu | you could then add the patch to the bug report |
| 00:15.37 | murb | goibhniu: except they were founded by a Hutchison Whampoa who are hongkong based. |
| 00:16.13 | goibhniu | the handy thing about the bugday is you can get some help on the specifics |
| 00:16.41 | goibhniu | murb: ok then ... I'll call him tomorrow and get the low down ... if there is a connection do you promise to boycott them also? |
| 00:17.22 | trousers_ | goibhniu: I'm talking bugs that don't produce compile errors --- so feature problems. And also the process of sending patches upstream, making patches etc. |
| 00:17.47 | goibhniu | trousers_: but it depends on the bug |
| 00:18.07 | trousers_ | Exactly, so is there no general theory on how to sort the problem? |
| 00:18.31 | goibhniu | trousers_: it's problem solving ... there isn't a catchall solution or else we'd have ibot doing it for us :D |
| 00:19.13 | goibhniu | trousers_: bugs could be anything ... a typo .. a bad idea |
| 00:19.52 | murb | goibhniu: i'd boycot them on the basis they are owned by france telecom might be a better reason. |
| 00:19.57 | goibhniu | the only way I know to approach it is to try to reproduce it and then work in closer to it to isolate it |
| 00:20.10 | murb | who are probably evil for some reason or other. |
| 00:20.37 | goibhniu | trousers_: e.g. if it's a c program you get a c debugger and set brakepoints, watch variables etc |
| 00:20.50 | murb | like being owned by the french government still(!!) |
| 00:20.57 | goibhniu | murb: everyone hates their neighbours ... I understand :D |
| 00:21.31 | murb | goibhniu: if you'd ever had to deal with french telecom you'd understand. |
| 00:21.52 | murb | s/french/france/ |
| 00:22.40 | goibhniu | murb: anyway ... I'm going with t-mobile so you should approve |
| 00:22.56 | murb | goibhniu: no way! |
| 00:23.17 | goibhniu | trousers_: I'd be interested in going through a bug-fix with you if you want? |
| 00:23.29 | goibhniu | murb: evil? |
| 00:23.29 | murb | i really do not recommend DTAG. |
| 00:23.42 | murb | goibhniu: gross incopetence which is indistguisable from malice. |
| 00:23.51 | goibhniu | murb: it's ok ... I won't be paying for it anyway |
| 00:24.39 | goibhniu | it's more a formality than anything ... I use my phone to call my gf when we're at opposite ends of the supermarket ... that's about it :D |
| 00:24.53 | goibhniu | seeya murb |
| 00:26.22 | goibhniu | trousers_: it doesn't really matter if you actually manage to fix an issue ...just trying things out can be of use to other people too |
| 00:29.28 | trousers_ | goibhniu: What is sowrdfish again? |
| 00:30.31 | goibhniu | trousers_: it's basically a bit of glue to stitch inkscape together to a web application server |
| 00:30.46 | trousers_ | Hmmv |
| 00:31.14 | goibhniu | so that you can edit content in inkscape and add in some web server voodoo through it too |
| 00:31.27 | goibhniu | serve up svg ... and a dusting of ajax |
| 00:31.54 | trousers_ | Does the GIMP do svgs? |
| 00:31.56 | goibhniu | all it involves is tieing together stuff that's out there .. but the end result could be very nice |
| 00:32.02 | trousers_ | I want to look into them, they smell sexy |
| 00:32.16 | goibhniu | kinda .. but inkscape is more geared towards it |
| 00:32.25 | goibhniu | svg is great alright |
| 00:32.55 | goibhniu | the flash killah ... maybe ... someday |
| 00:34.09 | trousers_ | I like the concept of infinite resolution kinda thing |
| 00:34.18 | goibhniu | because inkscape already lets you export png ... and add links .. it should be easy enough to convert them to imagemaps for shite browsers too |
| 00:34.40 | goibhniu | that's how my gf's site is done at the moment |
| 00:35.19 | goibhniu | but svg would be nicer of course and firefox 3 is gonna have a nicer implementation too |
| 00:35.35 | goibhniu | at the moment it works but some stuff is a little off |
| 00:35.52 | trousers_ | Using Firefox 3 already :) |
| 00:36.05 | trousers_ | Alpha pretesting, naturally |
| 00:39.34 | goibhniu | nice |
| 00:39.44 | goibhniu | when's it out? |
| 00:39.51 | trousers_ | No idea |
| 00:39.57 | trousers_ | You can get alphas though |
| 00:40.10 | trousers_ | With layman for Gentoo, you can use a portage overlay :) |
| 00:41.46 | goibhniu | ahh nice ... you need to use a separate profile for it I guess |
| 00:41.55 | trousers_ | No> |
| 00:41.56 | trousers_ | ? |
| 00:42.12 | goibhniu | well if you want to keep using firefox 1.5 and 2 |
| 00:42.29 | trousers_ | No idea about running multiple |
| 00:42.30 | goibhniu | I have to keep a collection of browsers for testing |
| 00:42.32 | trousers_ | I just run one |
| 00:43.03 | goibhniu | the new rendering engine is supposed to be great |
| 00:43.49 | goibhniu | it's all cairo now iirc |
| 00:44.17 | goibhniu | so it's not gonna run on win98 |
| 00:44.40 | trousers_ | Cairo? |
| 00:44.49 | trousers_ | Egypt's capital? |
| 00:45.16 | goibhniu | something like that |
| 00:45.52 | goibhniu | you can zoom in and out on a page properly now ...can't you? |
| 00:46.02 | trousers_ | :S |
| 00:46.05 | goibhniu | rather than just increasing the font size |
| 00:46.23 | goibhniu | cairo is some svg jazz |
| 00:46.46 | trousers_ | Haven't tried much, if it even incorporates that yet, I know not |
| 00:46.48 | goibhniu | used in desktop icon rendering and ... all over the place |
| 00:47.33 | goibhniu | anyways ... swordfish is hiring |
| 00:48.38 | goibhniu | you've got the job ... just let me know when you want to start |
| 00:50.02 | trousers_ | Not yet |
| 00:50.52 | goibhniu | if you're looking for something else to do ... can you figure out how to convert architectural drawings into maps in blender? |
| 00:50.53 | trousers_ | Ich werde einschlafen. |
| 00:51.04 | goibhniu | lightweight |
| 00:51.16 | trousers_ | Cross country at 0830 today. |
| 00:51.28 | goibhniu | schlafen sie gut |
| 00:51.30 | trousers_ | Ich brauche schlafen! |
| 00:51.37 | goibhniu | viel gluck morgen |
| 00:51.39 | goibhniu | tot zo |
| 00:51.47 | trousers_ | Tot? |
| 00:51.50 | trousers_ | Tot?! |
| 00:52.01 | goibhniu | until ... I think ... maybe that's dutch |
| 00:52.11 | goibhniu | they're all the same to me :D |
| 00:52.14 | trousers_ | I though tot was dead :S |
| 00:52.24 | goibhniu | ahh ... you're right |
| 00:52.29 | trousers_ | :P |
| 00:52.29 | goibhniu | bis gleich, also |
| 00:52.45 | goibhniu | lekker slappen |
| 00:53.10 | trousers_ | Gute Nacht. Schlafen sie alles gut! |
| 00:53.36 | goibhniu | any architectural experts here? |
| 01:20.23 | z00dax | humm |
| 01:21.14 | Leeds | ooommmmm |
| 01:22.55 | goibhniu | yeah! http://blender-archi.ovh.org |
| 01:23.24 | goibhniu | Leeds: morning salutation? |
| 01:36.22 | Leeds | morning *meditation* |
| 01:38.34 | goibhniu | good cycling weather? |
| 01:39.04 | goibhniu | Cad-Tastrafy ... now there's a good name for a project! |
| 01:39.59 | Leeds | looks a bit grey... still a forecast high of 25 though :-) |
| 01:40.20 | Leeds | this is, I remind you, still in the middle of winter... |
| 01:42.14 | goibhniu | brrrr ... I can't imagine HK being very cyclist friendly ... or are you heading out to the sticks? |
| 01:43.32 | z00dax | I can quite imagine millions of people on cycles in HK |
| 01:45.29 | goibhniu | z00dax: exactly ... that's kind of what makes london such a good place for cyclists still ... the cars are a little cautious |
| 01:46.29 | goibhniu | you get much less leeway in oxford because the place is covered in cyclists |
| 01:46.43 | Leeds | nope, the city is a *bad* place for cycling... mad drivers, who - certainly the cabbies and minibus drivers - are confident within a few inches of the surface of their vehicle... not to mention the pollution |
| 01:47.10 | Leeds | that said, there's a Shell gas shop downstairs which delivers canisters by truck and bike :-) |
| 01:47.18 | Leeds | the plan is to head sticks-wise |
| 01:48.12 | goibhniu | I saw a couple of bicycle powered candy floss machines over in the main land ... they were cool |
| 01:48.48 | goibhniu | I'd say it'd be nice to see some countryside for a change |
| 01:49.05 | goibhniu | I'd say it could be really nice |
| 01:49.18 | Leeds | now this is one of my pet peeves... |
| 01:49.40 | Leeds | people have an image of HK as one large overgrown grey industrial city |
| 01:50.14 | goibhniu | it ain't? |
| 01:50.27 | goibhniu | I'll never forget flying in there |
| 01:50.37 | goibhniu | the surrounding area looked magical |
| 01:50.44 | Leeds | to Kai Tak or Chep Lak Kok? |
| 01:51.36 | goibhniu | no idea ... the bus journey took us along a pretty industrial lined highway iirc |
| 01:52.11 | goibhniu | we only stayed in kowloon and crossed the river once ... I don't recall seeing any parks or anything ... are there loads? |
| 01:53.42 | goibhniu | I gotta turn in ... have a good one ... don't catch a cold or anything |
| 04:10.52 | Leeds | and... I've posted my proposal for Christmas Picnic II - This Time It's A New Year Dinner! |
| 05:35.23 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 05:38.13 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 05:50.51 | morsing | cbz, wethrin: Google didn't know! |
| 05:53.52 | morsing | Hmm... Distinct doesn't ooperate on a single field, I have to rewrite my programme then |
| 06:22.44 | morsing | ibot wake Leeds |
| 06:22.54 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on Leeds and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 07:10.25 | trousers_ | Morning! |
| 07:28.01 | morsing | trousers_! |
| 07:28.15 | trousers_ | Why are you awake? |
| 07:29.03 | morsing | Because it's morning? |
| 07:29.09 | morsing | I've been up since 4:30 |
| 07:29.13 | trousers_ | Ouch |
| 07:29.20 | morsing | Ouch? |
| 07:29.26 | trousers_ | 0430 :( |
| 07:29.28 | morsing | trousers_: You coming to my BBQ! |
| 07:29.30 | morsing | ? |
| 07:29.37 | trousers_ | I wasn't aware, when is it? |
| 07:29.38 | morsing | What's wrong with 4:30? |
| 07:29.42 | morsing | Around 3pm |
| 07:29.46 | trousers_ | Today?! |
| 07:29.49 | morsing | Yes |
| 07:29.52 | trousers_ | Where? |
| 07:29.58 | morsing | Aylesbury |
| 07:30.10 | trousers_ | *Googles* |
| 07:30.12 | morsing | Sorry, it's just two friends coming over |
| 07:30.15 | morsing | :) |
| 07:30.27 | morsing | You're not really invited, just being polite |
| 07:30.29 | morsing | :) |
| 07:30.50 | trousers_ | Okay, I wouldn't travel to Aylesbury anyway :P |
| 07:32.23 | morsing | :) |
| 07:34.24 | trousers_ | Argh, still no GLLUG meetings :( |
| 07:38.33 | morsing | What are you doing up anyway? |
| 07:38.41 | trousers_ | Cross country |
| 07:40.09 | morsing | On your bike? |
| 07:40.12 | morsing | Where? |
| 07:44.18 | trousers_ | School |
| 07:46.39 | trousers_ | Although the sport is called cross country, the maximum running distance is only about 6 miles. |
| 08:07.22 | morsing | Nice |
| 08:51.37 | morsing | ping wethrin |
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| 09:41.31 | mumperer | Morning |
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| 09:51.33 | mumperer | Hi |
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| 10:42.10 | Leeds | morsing: I was out cycling! |
| 10:54.19 | goibhniu | hey Leeds! ... photos? |
| 10:55.08 | Leeds | didn't take any, sorry |
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| 11:12.59 | goibhniu | Leeds: where did you go? |
| 11:13.15 | goibhniu | it does look really green from the satellite |
| 11:13.52 | morsing | Leeds: Lovely |
| 11:14.43 | goibhniu | morsing: did your car pass this week? |
| 11:19.40 | morsing | No - just came back |
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| 11:21.52 | morsing | Cope! |
| 11:21.59 | morsing | Cope: How's the Volvo? |
| 11:29.11 | morsing | goibhniu: He actually marked the car as dangerous to drive |
| 11:34.10 | goibhniu | nice |
| 11:34.26 | morsing | :) |
| 11:35.36 | goibhniu | is it up on ebay yet? |
| 11:58.03 | wethrin | morning |
| 11:58.08 | wethrin | pong morsing |
| 12:00.50 | Cope | Volvo is super |
| 12:00.54 | Cope | We love it! |
| 12:16.06 | rhowe | "Open a Child Trust Fund and get up to £500 in vouchers" |
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| 12:43.23 | morsing | goibhniu: Ermm... That's another car... |
| 12:43.28 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 12:43.30 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 12:43.40 | morsing | rhowe: Why are you ignoring me? |
| 12:44.19 | catalyst | morsing! |
| 12:48.02 | morsing | LALLALALALLALALAL HWAAAAAAA |
| 13:04.05 | gw280 | Cope: Volvo++ |
| 13:04.16 | gw280 | Cope: my mother's giving me a Volvo when I (finally) get round to passing a driving test |
| 13:06.42 | Leeds | gw280: you'll never pull with a Volvo |
| 13:06.53 | gw280 | Leeds: I don't want to "pull" |
| 13:06.57 | morsing | gw280: 240? |
| 13:07.01 | gw280 | S40. |
| 13:07.09 | Leeds | you will |
| 13:07.09 | morsing | Crappiset Volvo ever |
| 13:07.22 | gw280 | Leeds: haven't you been telling me that for about 10 years? |
| 13:07.36 | Leeds | 2 or 3, at least |
| 13:08.02 | morsing | http://www.volvoclub.org.uk/press/volvo2004usa/image_library/lowrez/04_04S60Rlr.jpg |
| 13:08.23 | gw280 | yes, we have an S60 too |
| 13:08.46 | gw280 | the S40 is the pre-Ford-acquisition S40 |
| 13:15.10 | morsing | Well, still crap |
| 13:15.16 | Cope | indeed |
| 13:15.57 | Leeds | Cope: does it help you pull? |
| 13:16.03 | Cope | it can pull all sorts |
| 13:16.07 | Cope | has a tow-bar too |
| 13:16.14 | Cope | horse box; trailer |
| 13:19.33 | Leeds | okay... waiting... suggested to Jasmine that we have dinner on Wednesday... |
| 13:20.49 | z00dax | Leeds: damn |
| 13:21.06 | z00dax | err |
| 13:21.11 | Leeds | z00dax: ? |
| 13:21.21 | z00dax | wrong window, tab completion got in the way |
| 13:21.34 | Leeds | the idea of my asking someone to join me for dinner on Valentines Day upsets you? |
| 13:22.07 | Leeds | so far, the reply consists of ":-| on phone" |
| 13:22.10 | z00dax | haha no :) in another window it was : lktop: damn |
| 13:24.28 | Leeds | hmm.. the first part of the question ("do you have plans?") has been answered... "no plans right now" |
| 13:24.58 | z00dax | thats good |
| 13:25.40 | Leeds | still waiting for an answer to the second part ("do you fancy grabbing some dinner?") apart from "brb" |
| 13:25.58 | Leeds | I am aware that that may not be the absolute best way of phrasing the question, yes... |
| 13:53.58 | trousers_ | Afternoon |
| 14:00.50 | z00dax | it is |
| 14:12.29 | Leeds | and we have a reply... "yes, would like to have dinner on 14/2, can I bring some other single friends?" |
| 14:12.49 | Leeds | not *quite* the answer I was looking for... |
| 14:14.26 | z00dax | result! |
| 14:14.44 | z00dax | perhaps I too should look for a potential victim |
| 14:15.06 | clive-h | Heh |
| 14:15.21 | clive-h | I've no one to even think of asking |
| 14:15.44 | goibhniu | Leeds: sounds like you've spent too much quality time with her ... she probably thinks of you "more as a friend" |
| 14:16.04 | Leeds | goibhniu: she's saying the opposite... too soon, we don't know each other well enough |
| 14:16.41 | goibhniu | Leeds: isn't that womenspeak for "take me now"? |
| 14:17.34 | Leeds | not in my limited experience |
| 14:19.46 | goibhniu | yeh ... tbh ... I don't actually understand womanspeak myself |
| 14:20.38 | goibhniu | I just gather that becoming a friend and hoping a relationship will develop out of it ... is not how women think |
| 14:20.49 | Leeds | no, it appears not |
| 14:21.21 | Leeds | I only met her two weeks ago, almost to the hour |
| 14:25.31 | Leeds | apparently she's having trouble expressing herself in English |
| 14:26.35 | goibhniu | you can always say ... waw eye knee |
| 14:27.01 | Leeds | and that means? |
| 14:28.21 | goibhniu | apart from apple and hello ... that was the other thing everyone wanted to teach me in china |
| 14:28.25 | goibhniu | "I love you" |
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| 14:28.37 | goibhniu | maybe not in hk |
| 14:28.38 | Leeds | yeah, really don't think that would help right now |
| 14:29.16 | Leeds | in fact, I think it would make her run a mile |
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| 14:33.19 | Leeds | we appear to be compromising on just the two of us, as friends |
| 14:34.09 | goibhniu | ugghhh ... the f-word |
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| 14:37.40 | Leeds | asked if it's "no" or "not yet" |
| 14:39.09 | goibhniu | hehe ... maybe you need to haggle ... just say it's ok ... there's someone else who might be interested :D |
| 14:40.49 | Leeds | anyway, she doesn't like answering questions without an essay... which isn't easy, because her English is good, but not that naunced... |
| 14:41.53 | Leeds | her answer to that one was along the lines of "maybe when you get to know me better, you'll say no" - which is, of course, not the answer to the question I was asking |
| 14:43.46 | Leeds | actually, it may have been the answer to the question I *asked* - but not to the one I *meant to ask* |
| 14:44.26 | Leeds | although now I'm intruiged to know what's so bad about her that she thinks is going to put me off her :-) |
| 14:44.53 | goibhniu | bai |
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| 14:57.39 | adminjs | where is the cake? |
| 14:59.34 | murb | it hasn't been sold yet. |
| 15:04.20 | adminjs | what kinda cake? |
| 15:08.20 | murb | I don't know yet, because i've not yet gone shopping. |
| 15:08.43 | murb | i suspect it will include some coco solids in the ingredients list though. |
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| 15:26.56 | Leeds | see, this isn't helpful... she pops back online, asks me what I really meant to ask, I tell her, she responds "hahahahaha, gotta leave the computer again now, U KNOW THE ANSWER!" |
| 15:27.50 | Leeds | then goes offline again |
| 15:36.17 | rhowe | Leeds: Having fun? :) |
| 15:36.42 | Leeds | rhowe: yes and no :-) |
| 15:36.48 | rhowe | heh |
| 15:37.46 | Leeds | budgie? |
| 15:39.35 | rhowe | budgie |
| 15:39.51 | Leeds | you're adopting? |
| 15:49.42 | Leeds | got the closest thing to an answer I'm going to get - " wellwell, being thinking abt it recently / not sure the answer now, even myself / ;) i guess we keep guessing on how's going, would be more fun!" |
| 15:50.31 | Leeds | which, well, ain't a no :-) |
| 15:55.18 | rhowe | heh |
| 16:02.38 | z00dax | rhowe: if you are looking to adopt - adopt me |
| 16:03.12 | Leeds | I'm having fun, just thinking too much about it... need to relax more |
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| 16:16.21 | goibhniu | the British Library is cool ... I'm gonna hang out there next weekend |
| 16:16.55 | goibhniu | the cake is ok ... expensive of course |
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| 17:03.15 | trousers_ | goibhniu: I was thinking of travelling there to look around soon :) |
| 17:04.41 | goibhniu | trousers_: I don't think I've ever seen such a high concentration of laptops in my life |
| 17:04.49 | goibhniu | comfy chairs too |
| 17:05.19 | goibhniu | I believe the wifi access is totally free .. I'll find out next week |
| 17:05.37 | trousers_ | I smell a tasty trip |
| 17:05.46 | trousers_ | And lots of reading :D |
| 17:06.03 | goibhniu | oh yeah they have books too |
| 17:06.28 | z00dax | and comics ? |
| 17:06.42 | goibhniu | I should hope so |
| 17:07.27 | goibhniu | really nice building |
| 17:25.42 | goibhniu | nice new "wall" plugin video http://blog.beryl-project.org/ |
| 17:31.20 | trousers_ | goibhniu: What group do you have to be in again to get DRI? |
| 17:58.26 | z00dax | free tibet group ? |
| 17:58.40 | trousers_ | ? |
| 17:59.42 | Leeds | it's free to bet? |
| 17:59.54 | z00dax | if you must align yourself to a political group - free tibet is a good one |
| 18:00.15 | z00dax | besides the dalai lama is a sqeet old chap |
| 18:00.16 | trousers_ | In Soviet Russia, political group align YOU! |
| 18:00.32 | Leeds | mmm... deli lamma |
| 18:00.39 | z00dax | :P |
| 18:00.50 | Leeds | it's a real place - does good fruit juice mixes |
| 18:01.03 | z00dax | wow |
| 18:03.48 | murb | z00dax: otoh china did rescue the country from serfdom. |
| 18:04.24 | murb | and are doing a lot ot improve the infurstructure including building a railway line. |
| 18:05.22 | z00dax | most defense and raw material mining |
| 18:05.38 | z00dax | iirc, quality of life in tibet has stayed the same for over 30 years now |
| 18:06.50 | trousers_ | z00dax: Do you know of any rather obscure projects that need devs? |
| 18:07.02 | z00dax | sure |
| 18:07.06 | z00dax | what sort of dev's ? |
| 18:07.11 | trousers_ | z00dax: C. |
| 18:07.42 | trousers_ | z00dax: I've come to a conclusion that an obscure project *needs* devs, so thusly are more likely to accept me and take me under their wing(s) |
| 18:08.25 | z00dax | with the amount of noise your 'need a mentor' thread created, I was under the impression you had much stuff to do |
| 18:08.34 | trousers_ | Obscure also generally means small, so less disorganisation. |
| 18:08.54 | trousers_ | z00dax: Because there is much stuff I can do, doesn't mean there is much stuff I will do. |
| 18:09.22 | trousers_ | I am fond of jumping in the deep and generally cold end. |
| 18:11.06 | z00dax | so what sort of stuff are you interested in ? |
| 18:11.44 | z00dax | check the sf.net help wanted pages |
| 18:42.10 | trousers_ | Anything a bit obscure and esoteric :P |
| 19:00.04 | trousers_ | Anything a bit obscure and esoteric :P |
| 19:00.12 | trousers_ | Sorry. Wrong terminal :P |
| 19:10.45 | *** join/#gllug Jasperw (n=jasperw@host86-132-250-223.range86-132.btcentralplus.com) |
| 19:16.20 | *** join/#gllug secretlondon (n=secretlo@AC8FA2D3.ipt.aol.com) |
| 19:16.56 | secretlondon | evenin' all |
| 19:17.25 | secretlondon | the interweb gods have been kind today and given me decent laptop wifi |
| 19:19.56 | secretlondon | although i'm amazed this little laptop can cope as i'm making bits of the ports tree at the same time which should take all of it's meagre 'puter power |
| 19:21.34 | adminjs | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.16 | secretlondon | thinkpad 380ed - p166, 80mb running openbsd and fluxbox |
| 19:24.38 | secretlondon | and currently thunderbird, firefox, xchat and compiling xmms.. |
| 19:36.25 | clive-h | i saw a lovely core 2 duo laptop for 499 today |
| 19:38.29 | goibhniu | trousers_: DRI group? |
| 19:39.14 | goibhniu | hey secretlondon ... no more posh café then? |
| 19:41.19 | secretlondon | goibhniu: only when needed. I have wifi working on stinkpad now and sometimes even an access point to connect to! |
| 19:41.36 | goibhniu | smashing! |
| 19:42.10 | goibhniu | I was in the british library today .. that looks like a good place to hang out with a laptop ... free wifi all over I think |
| 19:42.50 | secretlondon | "posh caf" is often full these days - they have skype, headsets and webcams - full of people calling overseas friends and relatives.. |
| 19:43.28 | secretlondon | goibniu: bet theres nowhere to plug them in though. battery is pretty borked alas |
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| 19:44.51 | goibhniu | secretlondon: nah .. sockets lining the walls |
| 19:44.58 | goibhniu | really comfy lookin seats |
| 19:45.44 | secretlondon | goibhniu: cool. I should try and get a pass |
| 19:45.47 | goibhniu | I was quite blown away, it was like something from a sci-fi movie ... all these fancy seats filled by people with their laptops |
| 19:45.53 | goibhniu | I don't think you even need a pass |
| 19:45.57 | goibhniu | I just walked in there |
| 19:46.18 | clive-h | the bl? |
| 19:46.20 | secretlondon | oh i thought you needed reading room access or something |
| 19:46.28 | clive-h | that's interesting |
| 19:46.29 | goibhniu | next week I'll put it to the test, perhaps you need to get a key or something |
| 19:46.33 | goibhniu | clive-h: yep |
| 19:46.51 | clive-h | i thought you needed a readers ticket |
| 19:46.52 | goibhniu | the place was crawling with laptops |
| 19:47.14 | clive-h | which reminds me i need to replace my bodleian ticket |
| 19:47.25 | goibhniu | to get into the library, sure ... but there are only books in there |
| 19:47.44 | clive-h | ahh i see |
| 19:47.45 | secretlondon | only books ;) |
| 19:48.00 | goibhniu | and psychos who read books |
| 19:48.05 | clive-h | i am interested in the books |
| 19:48.37 | *** part/#gllug countdrunkula (n=craig@82.153.161.240) |
| 19:48.41 | clive-h | if ijust need net acccess might as well stay home |
| 19:49.01 | goibhniu | the gf was in there today and saw some dodgy yank being an arse to a clerk or something ... sounded bizarre |
| 19:51.01 | goibhniu | real nice place though ... it's handy to know cool places to hang out with wifi .. like the centre de GP in paris |
| 19:52.13 | secretlondon | pembury tavern in hackney - tills run on linux too |
| 19:52.58 | goibhniu | far out! ... jesus I should go for a pint sometime ... I like to support that type of thing |
| 19:53.29 | secretlondon | it's a nice pub - i've been going there every sunday to play board games |
| 19:53.45 | secretlondon | landlord a total geek |
| 19:54.32 | goibhniu | brilliant! is the landlord in #gllug? |
| 19:55.12 | clive-h | where in hackney? |
| 19:55.37 | secretlondon | clive_h: amhurst road |
| 19:55.54 | secretlondon | goibhniu: i doubt it as he's probably working |
| 19:55.55 | clive-h | ahh near a tube? |
| 19:56.08 | goibhniu | a pub that runs linux ... that deserves a banner ad on the gllug site! |
| 19:56.13 | secretlondon | clive-h: near 2 train stations |
| 19:56.35 | clive-h | cool worth a visit sometime |
| 19:56.46 | secretlondon | it has a web site somewhere |
| 19:56.56 | clive-h | i like to support linux friendly places too |
| 19:58.14 | trousers_ | goibhniu: I think I shall make a trip to the British library next week, too :) |
| 19:58.29 | goibhniu | trousers_: cool ... lets do coffee |
| 19:58.37 | secretlondon | http://timeplease.livejournal.com/ is the landlord |
| 19:59.00 | goibhniu | that's just up the road from me |
| 19:59.12 | trousers_ | goibhniu: I think you spelt "tea" wrong :P |
| 20:00.21 | clive-h | ahhh there's a beer festival in mrach |
| 20:00.26 | clive-h | mrach |
| 20:00.30 | trousers_ | >.< |
| 20:00.30 | clive-h | march |
| 20:00.34 | goibhniu | :D |
| 20:00.38 | trousers_ | For a beer festival, go to Oktoberfest! |
| 20:01.09 | goibhniu | trousers_: he's looking for a drain cleaning robot ... that'd be a nice project for you |
| 20:01.42 | secretlondon | trousers_: oktoberfests a bit farther tho |
| 20:01.48 | trousers_ | goibhniu: Software > hardware because $hardware>$software. If you get what I mean :P |
| 20:02.52 | goibhniu | gw280: he studied computer science in your school ... no wonder he's running pubs now |
| 20:03.40 | trousers_ | goibhniu: Where are you from? |
| 20:03.52 | goibhniu | impressive geekery that dude |
| 20:04.24 | trousers_ | Also, yay, due to new clothing being ordered. |
| 20:04.33 | trousers_ | Allows me to be even more nerdy in public :P |
| 20:04.38 | goibhniu | trousers_: Áth Stúin, Co. Chill Chainnigh, Éire |
| 20:05.04 | trousers_ | goibhniu: Ireland? |
| 20:05.10 | goibhniu | yep |
| 20:05.37 | goibhniu | a small village ... surrounded by cows |
| 20:06.05 | goibhniu | trousers_: what t-shirt? |
| 20:06.24 | trousers_ | goibhniu: Not a t-shirt, a BDU :D |
| 20:06.35 | trousers_ | http://www.surplusandadventure.com/ishop/800/shopscr3156.html |
| 20:07.11 | trousers_ | Shouldn't have gone for woodland camo now, to be honest. Olive seems much nicer after the order :P |
| 20:07.40 | goibhniu | ahh .. handy for holding napkins and dried fruit I guess |
| 20:08.14 | trousers_ | And cables and a knife, screwdrivers, LiveCDs, money, keys etc. |
| 20:08.28 | goibhniu | trousers_: I heard of just the thing for you during the week |
| 20:08.38 | goibhniu | it's called a utili-kilt |
| 20:09.01 | goibhniu | it's a kilt made out of heavy canvas ... with LOTS of pockets |
| 20:09.06 | trousers_ | I'm the kind of person who carries screwdrivers in their blazer pocket :P |
| 20:09.13 | goibhniu | heard about it on studio360 |
| 20:09.35 | trousers_ | Kilts don't float my boat much |
| 20:09.43 | goibhniu | trousers_: good idea ... you can never have too many cables either |
| 20:09.56 | goibhniu | nothing worse than being stuck without the right cable |
| 20:10.36 | goibhniu | it was an american invention ... I think it is intended for grotesquely obese people by the guy's description |
| 20:10.56 | secretlondon | indeed |
| 20:11.13 | goibhniu | or else he just really wanted to wear a skirt and wasn't into the whole cross dressing scene |
| 20:11.34 | trousers_ | Indeed, XLR, cat5, "kettle plug" (not technically), 3 leaf clover, figure of 8, jack to jack, big jack to little jack, multiple USB... |
| 20:11.45 | trousers_ | Serial :) |
| 20:13.07 | goibhniu | you'll be a walking adapter |
| 20:13.24 | trousers_ | I'm like the police force, except *my* motto would be: "Connect and serve" |
| 20:13.42 | trousers_ | Rather than "protect and serve" ;) |
| 20:13.48 | goibhniu | you'd be the easiest person in the world to buy christmas presents for |
| 20:14.35 | trousers_ | That was a fantastic joke that received applause! |
| 20:15.42 | goibhniu | trousers_: you may want to invest in a gun as well ... some people don't like other people to wear whatever they feel like wearing |
| 20:16.16 | goibhniu | e.g. rugby enthusiasts |
| 20:17.03 | trousers_ | I personally don't mind what other people wear, as long as it is not offensive, or not enough |
| 20:18.18 | goibhniu | trousers_: are you a rugby enthusiast? |
| 20:18.37 | trousers_ | No |
| 20:19.11 | goibhniu | exactly |
| 20:20.47 | trousers_ | What is "goibhniu"? |
| 20:20.50 | goibhniu | kung fu has a better long term result than guns tbh ... but it's a funny world we live in |
| 20:20.57 | goibhniu | ~wiki goibhniu |
| 20:21.59 | goibhniu | yeah ... someone with a boring name IRL took my real name, cillian, so I had to find something else |
| 20:22.32 | goibhniu | he hangs out on #lugradio ... nice bloke, and he was there long before me |
| 20:23.02 | trousers_ | I wasn't sure how to say it, in my head it was "goib-hu-nee-oo" |
| 20:23.47 | secretlondon | goib-noo |
| 20:23.50 | secretlondon | in my head |
| 20:23.55 | goibhniu | hehe |
| 20:24.01 | goibhniu | my dad's name is Conchubhar |
| 20:24.15 | secretlondon | and for some reason i thought it was turkish.. |
| 20:24.16 | goibhniu | it's not pronounced how you would expect |
| 20:25.06 | secretlondon | irish generally isn't |
| 20:25.27 | goibhniu | it's actually quite phonetic ... once you know the rules |
| 20:25.42 | goibhniu | english is far less consistent |
| 20:26.11 | goibhniu | but english is never revised, so it evolves constantly |
| 20:26.13 | secretlondon | english spelling is in desperate need of reform ;) |
| 20:26.36 | goibhniu | yeah ... I tought english for a while ... I don't know how anyone learns it |
| 20:26.54 | goibhniu | s/tought/taught/ |
| 20:26.56 | goibhniu | or something |
| 20:27.24 | trousers_ | There should be an English administrative council |
| 20:27.31 | secretlondon | its the spelling - you look at something like german spelling reform - chances of that happening here? NIL |
| 20:27.41 | goibhniu | exactly |
| 20:27.48 | goibhniu | I was thinking about it today |
| 20:28.13 | goibhniu | in german the word for matches is streichholzstaplechen ... or something like that |
| 20:28.27 | goibhniu | and in english "match" can mean lots of things |
| 20:29.05 | secretlondon | yes - but english also has more words as we have synonyms with words from latin roots being higher prestige etc |
| 20:29.05 | trousers_ | There should be a standard for the English language, preferably spelling defined by the OED, and grammar defined by another standard. |
| 20:29.12 | goibhniu | the irish word for english means rubbish |
| 20:29.23 | goibhniu | they thought it would never last |
| 20:29.38 | goibhniu | it was such a mish-mash of all different languages |
| 20:29.45 | goibhniu | but that's it's beauty too |
| 20:29.54 | secretlondon | well at its core its low germanic |
| 20:30.08 | trousers_ | And Latin |
| 20:30.17 | trousers_ | And a bit Greek |
| 20:30.44 | goibhniu | I was teaching a kid english in germany once ... and we went on a walk with his mother around the block |
| 20:30.46 | secretlondon | well - imported latin and greek via french etc |
| 20:31.08 | goibhniu | she pointed at the back of a dump truck and asked me what the word was for that in english |
| 20:31.30 | goibhniu | of course you can describe very accurately what that is in german with some massive word |
| 20:31.46 | goibhniu | but she was very disappointed I didn't know the english for it |
| 20:32.05 | goibhniu | I think the sapir-whorf hypothesis is bang on |
| 20:32.10 | trousers_ | goibhniu: Of course, the German word is basically a descriptive sentence with only nouns and verbs |
| 20:32.26 | goibhniu | murb? |
| 20:32.39 | trousers_ | goibhniu: Wait a minute! Were you that Guantanamo Jesus guy? |
| 20:33.11 | goibhniu | I dunno what it was but I assume it's something like dumptruckbucket |
| 20:33.46 | goibhniu | which is better than "the thing at the back of a dump trunk" or whatever you'd call it in english imo |
| 20:34.14 | goibhniu | trousers_: I'm not jesus ... no relation |
| 20:34.42 | secretlondon | ah cos there was an irish guy wearing a guantanamo jesus tshirt after a meeting |
| 20:34.56 | trousers_ | And he got talking a bit about linguistics |
| 20:35.02 | goibhniu | ahh .. no .. who's that I wonder |
| 20:35.28 | trousers_ | He said he'd just come over from Ireland and was on the mailing list |
| 20:35.38 | goibhniu | probably my next door neighbour from Ireland ... it's a small place |
| 20:35.52 | trousers_ | I think he was more Dublin |
| 20:36.03 | goibhniu | I wish there were more meetings in the weekend, I can never make it during the week |
| 20:36.12 | trousers_ | goibhniu: Indeed |
| 20:36.18 | goibhniu | I wouldn't be surprised if he did the same course as me |
| 20:36.33 | goibhniu | I think there's only one computer science + linguistics course |
| 20:36.58 | secretlondon | but a lot of geeks are into linguistics tho |
| 20:37.08 | goibhniu | true |
| 20:37.51 | clive-h | Heh I stjudied maths and philosophy |
| 20:37.53 | trousers_ | He was talking about the whole "n" + "eight (in language)" = night. E.g. eight + night. octo + nochto (sp?). acht + nacht. etc. |
| 20:37.58 | trousers_ | ouit + nouit. |
| 20:38.00 | clive-h | though I dropped out |
| 20:39.00 | goibhniu | I wish I had the guts and brains to study maths |
| 20:39.28 | trousers_ | I want to do either ComSci, Physics or Maths at uni |
| 20:39.29 | goibhniu | I think it's the ultimate ... the jazz of academia |
| 20:39.57 | trousers_ | Maths is a beautiful subject |
| 20:40.09 | trousers_ | The purest and cleanest form of logic |
| 20:42.15 | clive-h | They didn't do CompSci when I was at uni |
| 20:42.53 | adminjs | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.50 | secretlondon | they didn't do computing in any form when i was at school - I didn't have a level maths so i couldn't get into comp sci |
| 20:44.46 | clive-h | We did computing at school, sendin g off punched cards and getting listenings back 14 days later |
| 20:44.57 | clive-h | though it was a club not a course |
| 20:45.22 | secretlondon | we had a bbc model b which only i could program |
| 20:46.02 | secretlondon | I did gcse comp studies at the local fe college as school didn't consider it worthy - unlike, say, ancient greek ;) |
| 20:46.09 | clive-h | I didn't have my own computer till 25 |
| 20:46.22 | clive-h | acorn atom and a pdp-9/l |
| 20:46.24 | clive-h | at home |
| 20:46.27 | secretlondon | cool |
| 20:46.30 | clive-h | pdp-8/l |
| 20:46.46 | clive-h | When I started in IT it was still punched cards |
| 20:47.18 | secretlondon | nice |
| 20:47.33 | clive-h | It was annoying |
| 20:47.47 | secretlondon | I remember loading things from tape and the exoticness of winchester disks! |
| 20:47.49 | clive-h | My handwriting is appalling |
| 20:47.58 | clive-h | I had to write coding sheets by hand |
| 20:48.12 | clive-h | and get Data Prep to punch the cards |
| 21:00.37 | adb | Fortran II. Didnt that have " if (x) 1,2,3 " |
| 21:01.03 | adb | which would go to labels 1 2 or depending on whether x was -,0,+ |
| 21:01.11 | clive-h | yep |
| 21:01.24 | clive-h | oh no |
| 21:01.39 | clive-h | It depended a bit |
| 21:01.51 | clive-h | we had IF ... THEN ELSE as well |
| 21:02.02 | adb | Fortran IV introduced if x .gt. y IIRC. |
| 21:02.53 | clive-h | It was the PUFFT compiler running on a modular One at Royal School of Mines, Imperial College |
| 21:03.48 | clive-h | It was half FORTRAN II with bits of FORTRAN IV |
| 21:24.26 | gw280 | goibhniu: my "school" didn't teach computer science |
| 23:03.56 | secretlondon | bah wifi losing it - i've had a whole day of net-ness |
| 23:06.41 | morsing | Nice |
| 23:19.12 | secretlondon | Morsing! |
| 23:33.39 | clive-h | not me |
| 23:33.46 | clive-h | i'm watching tv |
