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00:33.11z00daxhello
00:33.25wethrinz00!
00:33.30z00daxwethrin:
00:33.59z00daxdid the puppet talk get finalised ?
00:34.22z00daxluke has changed his plans and bought tickets to be here for it
00:34.26wethrinHa, no. I asked Sean to book the classroom (as the theatres are booked up)
00:35.53wethrinSo we're just waiting for that
00:36.01wethrinThen we need announcements to go out
00:36.08wethrinAnd someone to volunteer to compere :)
00:36.25z00daxi can do that
00:36.30wethringood man!
00:46.27z00daxright once its fixed, I will make some noise on other lists as well
00:46.51z00daxbut we should get it finalised soon - we're likely to get better coverage if we have atleast 8 - 10 days notice to everyone
00:48.27wethrinIndeed
00:48.36wethrinI'll try and remember to reprod Sean on Mondayh
00:48.47wethrinHopefully a classroom would be okay?
00:49.35z00daxit should be I suppose
00:49.40z00daxas long as its large enough
00:50.32z00daxalso, Thursday is the Web usability thing, and Friday the phpcon london, both of which are likely to se a fair few sysadmin interested people in London
00:51.43gw280I have a nokia 770
00:51.44gw280it's cute
00:52.17z00daxgw280: I have a t2000, its cuter :)
00:52.21wethrinWill have to check. Otherwise we'd have to find another venue, and I'm not sure where might be good
00:52.54z00daxwethrin: as an approx guess - how many people do you think we can fit into a classroom ? ( and will we get a proper projector etc )
00:53.18wethrinProjector probably. Classroom.....40, maybe?
00:53.31wethrinI don't recall how big the classrooms are
00:53.39z00daxi cant either :)
00:53.52wethrinHmm.....otherwise where to try?
00:54.03z00daxbut going by our usual mid-week attendance figures, i'd say 40 was optimistic, atleast from the gllug crowd
00:54.08wethrinI have NFI who an appropriate contact at, say, UCL might be
00:54.19wethrinright. So a classroom should be okay
00:54.24z00daxbut we might get people in from lrug, london-pm, phpcon
00:54.36wethrinTrue
00:55.20wethrinIt's going to be hard to book another venue without the person booking it being present, though
00:55.22z00daxgw280: are you running gentoo on the 770 yet ?
00:55.41z00daxwethrin: perhaps one of us could book it ?
00:56.03z00daxhow about at fortango where such meets have taken place before ?
00:57.17wethrinz00dax: There's a thought
00:57.22wethrinthat'd work
00:57.45z00daxwe might need someone who actually works there to confirm :)
00:57.54wethrinLoads of people work there :)
00:58.01wethrinI can prod on #london.pm tomorrow
00:58.12z00daxcool, you the StAr
00:58.51wethrinThat may well be better than a computer classroom at w'min
00:58.56wethrinRemind me during the day
00:59.31z00daxsure
00:59.46wethrinWe should start thinking about a proper Gllug meet too
00:59.49z00daxhumm actually, I wont be online most of the day - going to be at Excel setting up and flufing about with $hw
00:59.57z00daxyea, its been a while
01:00.08z00daxI might call on your $mobile and remind, rather than on irc
01:00.13wethrinI tentatively propose the 24th of March
01:00.34z00daxok, that works for me 24th is cool
01:00.42wethrinThat'd work - text might be better, if I'm in the cleanroom
01:01.00z00daxok
01:01.41z00daxactually, i no longer seem to have your mobile number
01:01.50wethrin07973 623883
01:01.56wethrinHave you changed numbers recently?
01:02.35z00daxnope, have the same number- but a new phone ( well, it was new in Sept 2006 )
01:02.39wethrinAhhh
01:02.40wethrinOkay
01:02.56gw280z00dax: I don't put gentoo on embedded stuff...
01:03.12z00daxgw280: yeah, gentoo sux
01:04.11wethrinWe should consider a theme. Maybe DNS security? :)
01:05.42z00daxonly if Juergen kicks off with the keynote
01:05.51wethrinBad man :-P
01:06.51wethrinokay. I go to sleep
01:06.52wethring'night!
01:07.25z00daxnite
01:07.41gw280hrmm, why do I have an expression for electrical power being P = R_1 \frac{\epsilon R_2}{2(R_1 R_2 + r(R_1 + R_2))}
01:07.49gw280I think I'm wrong
01:07.53gw280ah well, who cares
01:09.53antiphaseWhat crazy language is that written in?
01:10.54z00daxouter mongolian
01:11.32rhoweibot change 380 gbp to uds
01:11.33rhoweibot change 380 gbp to usd
01:25.24rhoweibot change 462 gbp to usd
01:25.35rhoweibot change 714 usd to gbp
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08:09.15morsingSlayerXP!
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08:35.04morsingLeeds?
08:35.18Leedsyes
08:37.25Leedsokay, now I'm really confusing the poor girl...
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08:40.49morsingphearless!
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08:57.48morsinghuw-l!
09:14.55morsingibot convert 71 fahrenheit to celcius
09:15.12morsingibot convert 71 farenheit to celcius
09:15.16morsingUhh...
09:15.43Leedsibot google 71f to c
09:17.16SlayerXPYou have: tempF(71)
09:17.16SlayerXPYou want: tempC
09:17.16SlayerXP<PROTECTED>
09:17.19morsingibot give up and die
09:17.31ibotACTION gives and die to up
09:17.31morsingNice
09:17.34morsingSlayerXP makes the day
09:17.42SlayerXPapt-get install units
09:17.50SlayerXPfor all your unit conversion needs
09:17.51LeedsSlayerXP: I thought ibot used units
09:18.03morsingMmm... 21c in LA and even warmer in Arizona. Nice :)
09:19.56Leeds20C here
09:19.59Leedsat 5pm
09:20.55sabinef72hello
09:20.59morsingsabinef72!
09:21.07sabinef72gooooooooooooo
09:21.12morsingOoooooooooooo---- thump
09:21.25sabinef72it's easy
09:21.33morsingI'm naked as well, not allowed out of my bed in this state
09:21.34sabinef72you put your legs out of the bed
09:21.40sabinef72and I can push your back
09:21.43Leedshey, hey...
09:22.29sabinef72morsing: you had to think about that before now I'm here to push you
09:22.49morsingNice
09:23.07sabinef7213 C in paris now
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09:36.06morsingIAmAI!
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09:50.20phearlesshello #gllug !
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11:01.25wethrinarr
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11:09.57wethrinSlayerXP: ping?
11:10.53SlayerXPpong
11:11.02wethrinYou're a Fotango person, yes?
11:11.11SlayerXPwe,, I work here, yes :)
11:11.14SlayerXPwell
11:11.18wethrinHurrah! :)
11:11.30wethrinAre you able to book rooms that might be suitable for a mid-week evening Gllug talk?
11:11.40SlayerXPI can certainly ask
11:12.32wethrinThanks!
11:12.43wethrinThursday 22nd Feb is the date we're looking for
11:13.12SlayerXPwethrin: I'll ask
11:13.24wethrinThanks!
11:16.56LeedsJohn knows me too well... I started writing my reply to him in my head before getting to my namecheck :-)
11:17.42SlayerXPwethrin: point him to the juergen schinker thread on this topic
11:17.45niv_one_threeLeeds: hi, can two dns exist in the same lan?
11:17.49antiphaseYates is approaching the Schinker position, albeit frmo the opposite direction
11:17.53Leedsanyway, 7:15pm... time to get lunch and/or Hoegaarden
11:18.09Leedsniv_one_three: DNS servers? of course
11:18.14SlayerXP"I installed linux on my work desktop, without permission, and my boss is pissed off"
11:18.29niv_one_threeI mean one dns is at the gateway, will a machine IN the lan servers openVPN and a dns?
11:19.19niv_one_threeso a client would vpn to the server BEHIND the gateway (NAT) and the other lan member reach it?
11:19.25Leedssorry - pub time...
11:19.33niv_one_threek
11:19.54Leedsbut there is no such thing as "a dns" - if you mean a DNS server, say that
11:21.15wethrinSlayerXP: The one that started the thread? :)
11:21.32SlayerXPwethrin: this is the same thread
11:21.40SlayerXPI'm sure I asked for it to die quite some time ago
11:21.50SlayerXPs/thread/thread?/
11:22.08wethrin"Linux on Desktop"
11:22.26wethrinI do feel a bit of a slapdown is in order to get him off his high horse
11:23.02psnlwethrin: do it!
11:23.21wethrinYou're not even on the list, psnl!
11:24.05psnlyeah, but I like giving you advice...
11:24.33wethrinWell, you never take your own :-P
11:25.04psnltrue
11:33.32murbis windows ready for use on the desktop yet?
11:34.59wethrinOnly on my work desktop. It's not quite there for my home desktop
11:35.05wethrin(other than my emergency spare system)
11:35.20wethrinBut I was planning to see if OpenBSD would support the wireless card
12:04.31bilarhhungry
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12:24.06wethrintum te tum
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13:15.07SlayerXPwethrin: ping?
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13:16.06CopeHello
13:39.40Copeno?
13:39.40cpufreakno
13:44.39murbgood afternoon, does anyone here have any solaris machines with telnetd runnning?
13:45.11murbCope: try telnet -f bin solarismachine
13:46.26CopeFrom a linux machine?
13:46.28CopeI get:
13:46.30Copetelnet: Unknown host bin
13:46.35Copefrom an AIX machine
13:48.12Copeok:
13:48.34Copebin/10.8.0.51: Servname not supported for ai_socktype
13:51.38murbCope:  -fbin
13:52.10murbCope: http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2007/Feb/0251.html
13:53.35CopeI just get a login prompt
13:54.02morsingCope!
13:54.13Copehello morsing
13:54.28halii can't get it to work either
13:54.31halifrom anything to anything
13:54.35halijust get login prompts
13:54.38morsingCope: How are you?
13:54.42halior "Not on systme console" where root is not allowed
13:54.52murbhali: try nont root
13:55.18murbif root most login on console then it won't work for root.
13:56.16halimurb: ok, works... solaris 10 and my own login
13:56.31niv_one_threeOMG, my perents are installing M$ office on the home pc :-(
13:57.34niv_one_threeactually they got a kid doing it for them
13:57.34niv_one_threebut I gave them OO2
13:57.34niv_one_threeI feel so bad :-(
13:57.35niv_one_threelike a lover dumpping me
13:58.15cpufreakmicrosoft office is far superior to openoffice.
13:58.19cpufreakThis is why I bought my mum a mac
13:58.28cpufreakand got office 2004 for mac for her
13:58.42niv_one_threeI sat down with mom and tought her the impress
13:58.55niv_one_threeI do feel I failed
13:58.57murbafter all openoffice doesn't even include a flight simulator!
13:59.22niv_one_threeI was just about to switch them over to linux - as they allready use firefox and thunderburd
13:59.26niv_one_threeeven gaim...
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14:01.11murbniv_one_three: shoot the little bastard who installed it for them.
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14:03.51Coperelo
14:07.23goibhniuniv_one_three: if you've any bullets left over please shoot cpufreak too
14:08.06Copewhy?
14:09.19antiphaseOOo is hairy donkey balls. Shoot me too ;)
14:09.25murbCope: for taking his parents to the glowing appleside.
14:09.56Copeah
14:10.12Copethere was a funny rant in the grauniad about max the other day
14:14.49bilarhoh man, i don't even get spam anymore
14:14.55bilarhtalk about billy no-mates
14:15.41bilarhi need a new cool perl project, i think
14:17.05CopeI think you need to do some ruby instead
14:17.21bilarhi think not
14:17.32bilarhwhat's so great about ruby anyway? :)
14:17.56bilarhi've only looked at it once, and from what i remember i couldn't immediately understand what the code was doing
14:18.07bilarhso i thought it was flawed and never looked at it again :)
14:18.12Copehehe
14:18.16bilarhhowever, it may have been late at night, or i may have been drunk
14:18.28bilarhor i may have looked at obfuscated.ruby.org :)
14:18.47Copewell, yes, I suppose someone who writes and thinks in cuneiform wedges, seeing English might be unclear.
14:19.05bilarhhehe
14:19.06Copelikewise someone who thinks perl passes for something readable might not find ruby obvious.
14:19.10Cope:P
14:19.11bilarhmaybe iw as looking at something else :)
14:19.21CopeI've only been looking at ruby for a few weeks
14:19.25Copebut I like it ;)
14:19.29bilarhi love perl
14:20.38bilarhooh
14:20.58bilarhalthough, it looks quite cool that it does set-arithmetic :D
14:21.35bilarhi may have to look into it now
14:21.47bilarhcope: damn you!
14:22.11niv_one_threeI was like: mom , dad look
14:22.43niv_one_threeif you allow me to switch you to linux, you wont ever be bothered with rubish coming from th email
14:22.53niv_one_threeno word crahs
14:22.57niv_one_threecrashs
14:23.10niv_one_threeit would be esier for me to maintain
14:23.21niv_one_threeand it works swell
14:23.45niv_one_threeand they went: no dear , just fix our email
14:24.05niv_one_threeand when they saw a shell - I lost them
14:24.07niv_one_three:-(
14:24.40niv_one_threewhat else may I do? (where was that shoot gun...)
14:25.25goibhniuniv_one_three: just infect them with viruses ... and go crazy with their credit card ... blame the little kid
14:26.42goibhniuif they find out ... at least they won't ask you to fix their email again
14:27.37niv_one_threena - I am worthless
14:28.11morsingping wethrin
14:31.38wethrinpong
14:31.40wethrinSlayerXP: pong?
14:33.47wethrinmorsing?
14:38.24goibhniuniv_one_three: sometimes you just have to let go ... they have their own lives to live ... they'll have to make decisions for themselves someday
14:38.54goibhniuniv_one_three: and they've just made it painfully clear that they have no respect for you or your opinions and think you're a worthless waste of space and just tolerate you because of legal and societal obligations .. shoot them, they suck ... get new parents
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14:40.38niv_one_threegoibhniu: execelnt negative psychologic
14:40.55niv_one_threebut I am hurt by this
14:41.03niv_one_threetime will heel it
14:41.05niv_one_threeI hope
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14:43.11wethrinCope!
14:44.59goibhniuniv_one_three: sorry ... I love giving shit advice ... some people just don't care about freedom ... they prefer to use their master's spade than to dig their own soil with their hands
14:45.41SlayerXPwethrin: ping?
14:45.51wethrinpong
14:45.54SlayerXPah-ha
14:46.01wethrinI'm back from lunch now :)
14:46.14SlayerXPmanagement types have okayed the use of the auditorium
14:46.22wethrinExcellent!
14:46.32SlayerXPyou have to be out no later than 2045
14:47.06wethrinRight. So 1830/1900 talk start should be fine. There's just the one speaker
14:47.55wethrinThanks!
14:49.42morsingwethrin!
14:49.46wethrinhi
14:50.41morsingNice
14:50.42morsingMoney
14:50.59wethrinmoney's overrated
14:51.52wethrinSlayerXP: Is there anything else that needs to be done with the auditorium, or do we just turn up with a speaker on the evening?
14:53.30morsingwethrin: Got a letter from the tax people today
14:53.46wethrinOh yes?
14:53.54SlayerXPwethrin: depends what you need
14:54.00morsingThey want me to pay an extra £1623
14:54.05wethrinmorsing: Ow!
14:54.07SlayerXPwethrin: we have big screen and lots of chairs
14:54.13SlayerXP(perhaps not enough chairs)
14:54.14morsing:(
14:54.38wethrinA projector/large screen should be sufficient. I don't know if $speaker would need a network port
14:54.38morsingwethrin: Do you want to buy a VaxStation 4000 for only £1623? (Please)
14:54.45wethrinI can't afford that
14:55.24morsing:(
14:55.51wethrinhow do they work out that you owe them that much?
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14:57.13morsingwethrin: Don't know
14:57.36wethrinAsk them - tax stuff should've been taken care of by your employer
14:57.49wethrinSo it's possible they got confused when you changed jobs
14:58.40morsingHmm...
14:58.51wethrinMight be worth phoning them and checking
15:01.56morsingWell, what would I ask them?
15:02.11morsingI can't say I think it's wrong because I wouldn't know
15:02.36wethrinAsk them how they arrived at that figure
15:03.43morsingErrmmm...
15:03.50SlayerXPwethrin: what sort of number of people are we talking?
15:04.05halii tend just to pay stuff like that, as long as they don't get toooo close to the real numbers :-)
15:04.13morsingI doubt some phone lady is going to read out complicated calculations through the phone...
15:04.13wethrinI have no idea. I've never been to a mid-week Gllug
15:04.20wethrinPossibly 20-30
15:05.44wethrinAsk them anyway
15:05.44wethrinIt's possible they stuck you on an 'emergency' 40% tax band, and haven't registered that you should be paying less
15:05.53wethrinThey did that to me once. A quick phone call sorted it out, and I got a refund on the next month's payslip
15:07.12goibhniumorsing: yep .. they'll talk you right through everything ... you just need to feed them with the numbers they want
15:07.28boudiccasDid you hand in a P45 when you changed your job?
15:07.54rhowe"Advisory: FIRMWARE UPGRADE REQUIRED to Version 2.08 (or Later) for Smart Array P400/P400i/P800 Controllers to Prevent Potential Data Miscompares From Occurring on ProLiant or Integrity Servers Running Firmware Version 2.04 (c00864832)"
15:07.58rhowehmmm
15:08.03rhowe"The page you were looking for is temporarily unavailable. Sorry for the inconvenience this might have caused. Please try again later."
15:08.06rhowegrrr
15:08.16wethrinAhh. rhowe!
15:08.21rhoweahh, Dan
15:09.30wethrinYou know your Compaq equipment, don't you?
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15:10.23wethrinI have a Proliant Storagesystem U2. How does it rack? There's no obvious place to put rails on it
15:10.38SlayerXPwethrin: best email address?
15:10.47wethrinSlayerXP: dan@eco.li
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15:11.20wethrinz00dax is actually getting the speaker, and will be around that evening
15:11.21Leedsmumperer!
15:11.37mumpererHi Leeds
15:11.49Leedsgood evening sir
15:12.19boudiccasmorsing; have you sent in a tax return recently?
15:12.30haliProliant U2, isn't that 15 years old?
15:12.31mumpererI suppose it is - been out for the first time in a fortnight - very wet, very windy ...
15:12.55morsingboudiccas: Never
15:12.59boudiccasbecause hyping up the amount you owe is a well-known tactic to get a taxreturn froma reluctant taxpayer
15:13.29morsingboudiccas: Yes - P45
15:13.38wethrinhali: No. Possibly 10, though
15:13.53wethrinmorsing: Did you give your P45 to your new employer?
15:13.58morsingwethrin: Yes
15:14.00boudiccasnever had a return! lucky chap! maybe you should ask for one in order to get your finances on an even keel with them
15:14.10wethrinHmmm. I'd still suggest phoning them
15:14.15morsingwethrin: Putting me on emergency tax would mean a lot more than £1623
15:14.34wethrinIt may have been for a short time
15:14.39morsingWill do but going on holiday tomorrow morning for three weeks...
15:14.39wethrinBut they never sorted out a refund
15:14.52wethrinDid they give a deadline as to when to pay by?
15:15.06boudiccaswhen talking to any govermnet body, always, always get the information in writing
15:15.49mumpererBNut don't ask for it in pdf form ...
15:15.51boudiccasand hen you reply always, always keep a carbon copy of what you said to them
15:16.08boudiccas*when
15:17.02morsing"This underpayment has arisen as you were in reciept of a greater amount of benefits than the amount included in your tax coding. This will be collected through a restriction in your 2007/2008 tax coding"
15:18.18mumpererThat's saying "we made a mistake2 but you'll still pay ...
15:18.22boudiccaswhat benefits? ask for a tax return to get it all sorted out. you may find that you are rebates for former years, although it is unlikely
15:18.46boudiccasits typical of the way that HMR&C speak
15:18.57boudiccas~
15:19.00boudiccaspwed
15:19.04boudiccasowed
15:20.11morsingBenifits like car allowance, fuel card, phone, internet, health care, dental care, etc.
15:20.40morsingI think the problem is that I moved house and my petrol usage went up because of a longer commute
15:20.55morsingMy petrol bill for that year was £3300
15:39.15boudiccasDeja Moo: The feeling you've heard the same ol' bull before.
15:39.23morsingReally?
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15:41.16morsingclive-h!
15:41.28morsinghttp://www.chevrolet.co.uk/models/matiz_55/index.htm
15:41.39clive-hHi there
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15:42.49morsingzx80user!
15:42.57morsingclive-h: You *are* silly!
15:43.23clive-hI didn't have sound work on this box
15:43.32zx80usermorsing!
15:43.40clive-hD'uh it was because i was using xen
15:44.05zx80useris the email down or is it just me?
15:44.30morsingIt's doen
15:44.32morsingdown
15:50.06morsingChose your screen resolution?
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16:09.24wethrinkeef!
16:17.39bilarhhmm...
16:17.44bilarhi think some tosser has run off with my money
16:17.52bilarhand i can't believe i fell for it :)
16:18.05bilarhcan someone give me the idiot-hat please?
16:18.56bilarhi sent 148 quid off to someone for a used turbo, and now he's not replying to emails or pm's on the bbs
16:19.08bilarhoh well, serve's me right for trusting him
16:19.20bilarhi wonder if i can get him done for theft by deception
16:19.46cpufreakask the forum mods for his name, and address
16:19.49cpufreakand send some boys round
16:19.59bilarhi might just get someone to torch his car :)
16:20.12bilarhproblem is it's up in bloody yorkshire
16:20.18bilarhprobably some scooby-chav
16:20.23bilarhwith a burberry cap :)
16:20.49bilarhoh well, it's only been two weeks, so there is still hope
16:20.54bilarhbut otherwise i guess it's sort of lost
16:21.14bilarhi'm offering 10:1 odds on me getting my money back if someone wants to have a punt :)
16:21.50Leedsahem
16:22.49bilarhplease send your cheques to "Bilarh, gullible place, loserville, LO5 3RS"
16:23.38gw280meh work.
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16:37.32rhowemorsing: So, are we going for italian?
17:01.56bilarhok, the fucker is clearly ignoring my PM's as he's logged in since I last sent one and no answers...
17:02.05bilarhfucker, I guess I'll have to 'get the boys' on him then :)
17:02.12bilarhanyone fancy a trip to yorkshire? :)
17:02.16bilarhoh hang on, we're all geeks in here
17:10.09morsingrhowe!
17:10.14morsingrhowe: Uhh...
17:10.22morsingI can't. Frantic packing atm
17:10.25morsingSorry
17:10.52morsingProsit
17:18.25rhowemorsing: Good - I wasn't really prepared for 2x 1h train journeys :)
17:19.09morsing:)
17:19.16morsing1h? Where did you get that?
17:19.28morsingIt takes me 2:20h to get to where you live
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17:21.26warlock_hello
17:21.30morsingwarlock_!
17:22.24warlock_Hello morsing, I am Linux system administrator, but I am here for an info about UK, would you help me?
17:23.09murbwarlock_: where are you?
17:23.09warlock_morsing, sorry because I am OT
17:23.10warlock_murb, Italy
17:23.10murbso you will come here on holiday?
17:23.10murbto london?
17:23.11warlock_I will go in schotland for job
17:23.14murbscotland?
17:23.21murboh that is not very close to here.
17:23.24warlock_murb, yes schotland
17:23.38murbwhere in scotland?
17:23.42murband who for?
17:23.46morsingScotland is great though
17:23.56warlock_and I have seen that the electric network is the same that english
17:24.09morsingwarlock_: Why did you ask me?
17:24.16murbmorsing: well *g*llug
17:24.33warlock_morsing, because this is London User Grup
17:24.38murbwarlock_: you want to know if you can use your computer in scotland or if it will explode?
17:24.50morsinghttp://www.morsing.cc/billed.php?STED=Scotland-summer2004
17:24.51warlock_murb, YES
17:24.57morsinghttp://www.morsing.cc/billed.php?STED=Killin-summer2005
17:24.59warlock_murb, could you help me?
17:25.12morsingmurb: He specifically asked me though
17:25.40warlock_murb, is ity 220V 50Hz???
17:26.26warlock_morsing, could you help me?
17:26.54goibhniuwarlock_: the UK is cold and smelly and the food is very bad ... are you sure you know what you're getting yourself into?
17:26.57morsing<PROTECTED>
17:26.58murbmorsing: your site is vulnerable to cross site scripting attacks btw.
17:27.08antiphase230V +10% -6%, like the rest of Europe. Nominally 240V still here though
17:27.27murbantiphase: well it is *AC*
17:27.28morsingmurb: FUCK OFF -!!!!
17:27.39morsingmurb: Do that once more and I'll kick you!
17:27.40warlock_antiphase, thank you
17:27.46murbmorsing: what?
17:28.13warlock_thanks to all chan
17:28.15warlock_bye
17:28.19goibhniuwarlock_: wait
17:28.23murbtoo late
17:28.33goibhniufeck ... he has noooo idea
17:28.37murbseems we made a good impression.
17:28.46murbgoibhniu: he'll learn.
17:28.54murbor he'll find out evenutally.
17:29.07goibhniuif he likes whiskey he'll be just fine
17:29.45murbbut he could have found a more reliable source of information.
17:30.45morsingWTF runs thhtpd anyway
17:30.46goibhniumurb? that sounds interesting ... what are you hiding?
17:30.59goibhniu~wtf thhtpd
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17:31.45morsingmurb: With index listing enabled even. You f****** suck!
17:32.16morsingAnd a list of all the packages installed on your system...
17:32.26morsingNice - well done William
17:32.44morsingibot thttpd
17:32.47ibotA simple, small, portable, fast, and secure HTTP server.. URL: http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/
17:33.01morsingSecure? Only if you configure it murb!
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17:33.23morsingapokryphos!
17:33.24murbwhat?
17:34.03apokryphoshi
17:35.38goibhniuhey apokryphos
17:36.05morsinggoibhniu: Thanks :)
17:36.46goibhniuSorry William ... you were asking for it
17:37.31morsingmurb: Doing those kinds of attempt is still illegal, no matter the circumstances
17:38.33goibhniuapokryphos: rainy today, innit
17:38.47apokryphosquite, yeah
17:39.08morsingapokryphos: Welcome
17:39.16apokryphosthank you :)
17:39.20morsingapokryphos: Aren't we a jolly bunch :)
17:39.28murbmorsing: my system isn't running openwrt
17:39.30apokryphosrather, rather 8)
17:39.43murbwhat you found was some olddev packages stuff i use for flashing routers
17:39.56apokryphosI always mean to join LUGs but always seem to miss the meets
17:40.04morsingapokryphos: Don't we all
17:40.39apokryphosheh
17:40.51goibhniuapokryphos: IRL is for rugby enthusiasts
17:40.59apokryphosare any people from this LUG going to fosdem?
17:41.07apokryphosgoibhniu: IRL?
17:41.15goibhniu~wtf irl
17:41.21apokryphosah
17:41.31apokryphoshm, not quite a ruby enthusiast ;-)
17:42.21wethrinI am!
17:42.31goibhniuapokryphos: you're ok ... all the cool kids are going to fosdem, except me
17:42.43goibhniuwethrin: that's painfully obvious ... mac user
17:42.51apokryphoswethrin: awesome. What for in particular? :)
17:42.55apokryphosgoibhniu: why aren't you going? ;-)
17:43.05apokryphosEurostar is freakin' great; Waterloo -> Brussels.
17:43.06goibhniuapokryphos: he's a rugby enthusiast
17:43.18goibhniuapokryphos: I suck
17:43.40apokryphos8)
17:44.09goibhniuyeah, eurostar is brilliant
17:44.33goibhniuthere will probably be a gang of gllugers getting drunk on the train
17:44.39goibhniuapokryphos: are you on the mailing list?
17:44.42wethringoibhniu: I'm going to Fosdem!
17:44.47apokryphosgoibhniu: nope
17:44.52wethrinEurostar is fucking expensive
17:44.57wethrinMakes flying often cheaper
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17:45.07apokryphosnot really. I think mine was £65 return
17:45.17apokryphoscheaper than a flight, and more convenient
17:45.25goibhniubut eurostar is much cooler, flying is for ... you know
17:45.50apokryphosruby enthusiasts?
17:45.58goibhniuI guess
17:46.24wethrinISTR BA from LHR not being too expensive. That saying, I'm taking the Eurostar too
17:46.39wethrinWas a bit cheaper than flying from Newcastle, but takes longer
17:46.49wethrinThe main thing is the lack of ridiculous security 'checks'
17:47.02morsingwethrin: Really?
17:47.24murbwethrin: eurostar play the ridiculous security check game as well.
17:47.35goibhniuyeah, one check and you leave and arrive from the centre ... no silly trains etc
17:47.37apokryphoswhat's just annoying is that you have to travel to the airport, wait around for two hours, flight, wait around ages for baggage
17:47.47goibhniumurb: have you been to stanstead lately?
17:47.48wethrinmurb: Not to the extent that flights do
17:47.51wethrinWell, I don't think so
17:47.54murbapokryphos: you've been to the wrong airport.
17:47.54apokryphoswhereas Waterloo is walking distance for me, and far less hassle
17:47.57murbcityairport++
17:48.02wethrinBut the planes would complain if I take a 65l rucksack full of beer on
17:48.09apokryphos8)
17:48.16murbgoibhniu: do you mean Stansted?
17:48.22wethrinapokryphos: Fair enough :) Makes more of a difference coming from the North
17:48.31murbi was at Stansted last summer, didn't notice much security
17:48.33goibhniumurb: something like that ... the big stoopid airport with the checks
17:48.50goibhniumurb: you obviously don't wear lip gloss
17:49.24murbthey even let me help install an improvised routing device on an aircraft at stansted.
17:50.42goibhniuand besides, airplanes kill millions of polar bears every day
17:50.52murbgood.
17:51.04murbit stops them swimming south and eating penguins
17:51.09goibhniumurb: you're supposed to be dead now
17:51.18apokryphosyeah, getting the train is a lot better for the environment ;-)
17:51.30murbgoibhniu: why?
17:51.45goibhniumorsing shot you dead with the death ray
17:51.48murbapokryphos: why?
17:52.03murbgoibhniu: he should fix his php.
17:52.25apokryphosmurb: because planes produce a ridiculous amount of pollution
17:52.34goibhniumurb: it's better because fat people usually travel by aeroplanes and fat people weren't meant to fly
17:52.47murbapokryphos: don't trains?
17:53.00murbdon't you have to destroy the natrual enviroment to build railway lines?
17:53.02goibhniushhesh ... murb ... you're probably still driving a car!!!
17:53.06apokryphosindeed, but far, *far* less than airplanes
17:53.16murbgoibhniu: it has already been established here that i don't have a driving license.
17:53.41goibhniumurb: but you want one ... don't you!
17:53.51murbapokryphos: they've been arround for longer.
17:54.04murbgoibhniu: it would be useful.
17:54.06goibhniupolar bear murderer!!
17:54.09murbbut expensive.
17:54.39murband for people who can afford the time and the fare they can go by train.
17:54.49murbI'm travelling by train to fosdem, although it isn't very cheap.
17:55.09murbbecause of various special offers it was cheaper than flying, however that isn't normally the case.
17:55.14murband if i miss a connection i'm fucked.
17:55.55apokryphoseurostar was cheaper than any flight I saw
17:56.48murbapokryphos: you also have to consider the costs of getting to london waterloo compared to getting to a local airport like heathrow.
17:57.15murbexpress bus to heathrow 5 quid, ticket to water loo 20
17:57.15apokryphosmight be different for you, but I did for me ;-)
17:57.19apokryphosWaterloo is walking distance :)
17:57.33murband the fact i don't live in the uk.
17:57.53morsingmurb: Prove it. All you got was nothing...
17:58.55murbmorsing: prove what?
17:59.54bilarhhmmm....
18:00.00bilarhnever mind :)
18:00.31goibhniubilarh: go on ... you can trust us ... get it off your chest
18:01.01bilarhnah, it's about the dude who took my money, but i'm not sure i should say
18:01.06murbmorsing: all i said was your side was vulnerable to cross site scripting attacks.
18:01.09bilarhbecause if it's true, then it's bad and i'll look like an ass :)
18:01.11bilarhagain :)
18:01.17murbbilarh: what happened?
18:01.26bilarhwell, i paid for this turbo from this guy
18:01.29bilarhand he hasn't sent it yet
18:01.32bilarhand it's like two weeks ago now
18:01.34murbbilarh: how long ago?
18:01.44murboh some arsehole ripped me off on ebay like that.
18:01.55bilarhand he, or someone using his username, keeps posting on this bbs still
18:02.07murband ebay did fuck all about it so i no longer use ebay much now.
18:02.08bilarhbut i just dropped him an email and his 'wife' said that he was in hospital
18:02.08goibhniubilarh: cars == murder
18:02.17murbgoibhniu: people = murder
18:02.28bilarhanyway, we'll see how it goes
18:02.36murbgoibhniu: no cars, then no internet.
18:02.39bilarhif i don't get it i'll go to the police i guess then they can handle it
18:02.41bilarh(as if) :)
18:02.43goibhniuahh ... cars == people == murder == good
18:03.10goibhniumore cars == more bandwidth ?
18:03.31bilarhanyway, i don't think i'll ever see my money or my turbo, but i'll give it a rest for now, i guess
18:03.48bilarhthat'll teach me to trust people :)
18:04.03murbno cars, no econonmy to support internety things.
18:04.16morsingmurb: Prove it
18:04.21bilarhluckily it wasn't anything stupidly expensive
18:04.27bilarhcan you two stop ruining my rant? :)
18:04.31goibhniuno murb == universal peace
18:04.33bilarhyou three
18:04.37morsingmurb: PayPal protects you
18:04.40murbmorsing: oh that is easy, just pu tin random html after your =
18:04.47bilarhmorsing: only sometimes...
18:04.54murbyou'll find it appears in that page.
18:04.56morsingmurb: Done that, got nothing as I said
18:04.58bilarhmorsing: if the seller has 98% or better feedback on 50 transactions
18:05.09morsingmurb: No it doesn't
18:05.13bilarhand then only sometimes
18:05.25bilarhanyway, never mind... life's too short to worry, right?
18:05.35goibhniubilarh: you need a bike
18:05.48goibhniuthis is a sign
18:06.03bilarhif he is genuinely in hospital, then hopefully he'll recover.  If he's lying, then he'll never be a well balanced and truly happy person anyway, so he gets his punishment anyway :)
18:06.19bilarhman, i almost sound like a religious loon sometimes
18:06.30bilarhjust for the record, i'm agnostic :)
18:06.32goibhniucar accident?
18:06.49bilarhyeah, apparently he put my turbo on his engine again and it was too fast or something
18:06.53bilarhnah, stroke, according to the wife
18:07.14goibhniusee ... if he had a bike ... he'd have a functioning heart
18:07.28bilarhhehe :)
18:07.31goibhniumore cars == universal death
18:07.32bilarhman, we're so mean
18:07.53bilarhif i don't come online tomorrow, it's probably because i've been run over by a bus due to lack of good karma
18:07.59morsingbilarh: Where are you located?
18:08.08murbmorsing: http://tinyurl.com/3e3utp
18:08.10bilarhloserville, the address is above somewhere :)
18:08.38bilarhanyway, i'm off to punch some people in the face (if I don't get run over by that bus, etc).
18:08.42bilarhl8rs peopel
18:08.44bilarhpeople
18:08.49goibhniulater person
18:08.57bilarhpeople, i am a people
18:09.15morsingmurb: Again, what are you trying to prove?
18:09.19bilarhcan i be a peep hole?
18:09.25bilarhah ffs, must go
18:09.25goibhniubilarh: please, stop with this religious propoganda
18:09.26bilarhl8rs
18:09.36murbmorsing: i was just showing that you can put ubitary usersupplied html into your webpage that is not good.
18:09.49wethringoibhniu: Militant Buddhism?
18:09.57morsingI know you can. Was are you going to use it for?
18:10.05goibhniuwethrin: yes please
18:10.08bilarhgoibhniu: repent!
18:10.17bilarhgoibhniu: unbeliever!
18:10.29murbmorsing: look up cross site scripting.
18:10.48murbit means people can make it look like stuff is comgin from your site.
18:10.56goibhniubilarh: gee sorry, ok
18:11.29morsingmurb: Well, you didn't manage to
18:12.18rhowemorsing: I make it 1h from Euston to Aylesbury
18:13.01morsingrhowe: 1:10h but you have to get to Euston first and also to my house
18:13.23rhowemorsing: *nod*
18:13.45murbmorsing: http://tinyurl.com/34m344
18:13.48wethrinrhowe!
18:15.28morsingThat's pretty cool :)
18:16.04goibhniumurb:  for a murderer you're pretty l337
18:17.50murbmake room make room.
18:37.16morsingmurb: Fixed now - at least that thing you did :)
18:37.44clive-hme downloads fc 7 test 1
18:38.07morsingping murb
18:39.20morsingibot wake murb
18:39.22ibotACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on murb and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"
18:43.47goibhniumorsing: I think he just got lucky ... he was totally wrong with that cars == internet equation .. I checked it myself
18:44.02murbmorsing: cool.
18:44.11morsingmurb: Is it :)
18:44.25morsinggoibhniu: Huh?
18:44.30murbmorsing: if you want me to break it again  you'll have to pay me for a full pen. test :-)
18:44.36morsingmurb: You suck
18:47.49goibhniumorsing: murb was obviously just typing random characters into the internet and got lucky ... otherwise he'd be able to do it again
18:48.16morsinggoibhniu: I don't understand? What are you talking about?
18:48.26morsingmurb: Do you get it?
18:48.48murbmorsing: nope
18:58.09morsinggoibhniu: You suck
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19:17.10morsinghttp://users.pandora.be/worldstandards/electricity.htm#plugs
19:20.02IAmAImorsing!
19:29.07morsingThat's just so cool :)
19:29.08morsinghttp://rockymtnchevelle.home.att.net/pictures/chelly03.jpg
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19:42.31morsingskate!
19:47.03wethrinarr
19:51.17morsingwethrin!
19:51.26wethrinMorsing!
19:51.30morsingwethrin: What did I forget to pack?
19:51.39wethrinToothbrush!
19:51.47morsingWill do tomorrow morning
19:51.56wethrinUmm....driving licence!
19:51.59wethrinPassport!
19:52.00morsingGot it
19:52.03morsingGot it
19:52.04wethrinExtra proof of address
19:52.30morsingUhhh... Like what
19:52.33morsing?
19:52.43wethrinUtility bill / phone bill
19:52.53morsingHuh? Who's going to ask for that?
19:52.59wethrinCar rental place?
19:55.04morsingskate: Beer is good for you
19:55.21morsingwethrin: I don't think my utility bill would make much sense to them
19:55.28morsingwethrin: Have you ever been abroad?
19:55.58morsingThe UK is the only place in the world where they do this extra proof of address thing. Utility bills? Weird
19:58.45wethrinmorsing: Yes, but not driven abroad
19:58.52wethrinYou should know - we were in Copenhagen
19:58.55z00daxI've never had to prset a utility bill for a car rental
19:59.06wethrinz00dax!
19:59.10z00daxbut then i also usually use my mom british license since insurance is cheaper
19:59.17wethrinWe have a venue for the talk!
19:59.23wethrin:)
19:59.24morsingwethrin: When's the first convenient weekend for me to visit?
19:59.49wethrinmorsing: Umm....some time after Easter.
20:00.03morsingSo, June?
20:00.42wethrinMaybe :)
20:00.44z00daxwethrin: cool! where ? fortango ?
20:00.48wethrinYEs
20:00.54wethrinI posted to the Admin list
20:01.00wethrinWe have to be out by 2045, though
20:01.01z00daxI need to get to my email
20:01.10wethrinSo I reckon on 1900 start?
20:01.18z00daxdont think that should be a problem... i suppose we start at 19:00 and out by 20:30
20:01.23z00daxyea!
20:03.42wethrinYup
20:03.51wethrinSounds good
20:03.57wethrinWant to notify the guy?
20:04.03clive-hwhen is the meet?
20:04.08wethrinAnd possibly get an abstract from him?
20:04.15wethrin22nd Feb (Thu)
20:04.17z00daxwethrin: sure
20:04.22wethrinThanks!
20:04.23morsing~seen sabinef72
20:04.26ibotsabinef72 is currently on #gllug (4h 3m 53s), last said: '13 C in paris now'.
20:04.26z00daxI'll email him right now
20:04.30wethrinThen we can get announcements sorted out
20:05.12clive-hoh well I won't make that
20:05.26clive-hI'll be in the north west
20:06.09morsingclive-h: Alaska?
20:06.39clive-hsmall villaqe in West Yorkshire
20:07.20clive-hMight as well be alaska
20:08.09wethrinThat's about Midlands, then :)
20:08.18wethrinCarlisle is north-west
20:08.38clive-hDo you not class Manc as North West?
20:08.55z00daxwethrin: is someone else speaking as well ?
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20:10.11morsingcatalyst!
20:10.49morsingTHE TOMATO!
20:10.57catalystmorsing!
20:12.57morsingcatalyst: Tomato?
20:13.07catalystno thank you :)
20:13.14morsingNah - me neither :)
20:15.11wethrinz00dax: Don't think so
20:15.17wethrinUnless you can think of another speaker?
20:16.44z00daxalso, is there a decent pub in the area that we can retreat to post-talk ?
20:16.44wethrinProbably :)
20:16.44z00daxdo you have any names ? Luke wants to add that to his announce post, so that people who cant make the talk can come there directly
20:18.30wethrinFinding out...
20:24.05morsingBaa
20:25.34wethrinThe Britannia appears to be talked about on #london.pm
20:26.54wethrinz00dax: http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/25/25646/Britannia/Clerkenwell
20:27.45morsingTHE TOMATO!
20:30.05wethrinActually, the Britannia would be too small
20:31.27wethrinMasque Haunt (Wetherspoons) should fit the group in
20:31.36z00daxwethrin: abstract coming in a few, i need to run off - be back online in a bit
20:31.51wethrinkk
20:38.40morsingWETHRIN!
20:38.55wethrinYES!
20:44.37morsingTHE TOMATO!
20:46.02wethrinWhat?
20:46.08wethrinYOu've forgotten to pack it?
20:50.32morsingYes
20:50.59wethrinThat was careless
20:51.21morsingwethrin: Will my web server hit 1GB served today?
20:51.38wethrinI don't know. What was it before, and how much traffic has it been processing?
20:51.49trousers_Evening chaps
20:52.25morsingUsually no more than 50MB per day I think. Now at 774MB though.
20:52.28morsingtrousers_!
20:52.39morsingtrousers_: I'm lateral
20:54.20wethrinSo not today, then
20:56.02morsingWhy not?
20:58.44wethrin774+50 < 1024
20:58.59morsingTHE TOMATO!
20:59.16wethrinWhat?
20:59.24wethrinPUT DOWN THE CRACKPIPE
20:59.42morsingYes but it's only afternoon in the states, they'll start hitting my site very soon
20:59.48morsingwethrin: Huh?
20:59.58morsingAnd where did you get +50 from?
21:00.22morsing774+50? What?
21:00.30halitwo sites?
21:00.32wethrinRead your comment of 20:52
21:00.55wethrinOr do you mean 774MB today, rather than in total?
21:01.16morsingYes, so since it's steadily grown to 774MB so far today, how can you just add 50MB as if it's a normal day?
21:01.25morsingIt's done 774MB today
21:01.34wethrinAh. I thought you meant in total
21:01.38morsingSo, will it hit 1GB today do you think
21:01.41morsingNope
21:01.42wethrinPossibly
21:01.54wethrinRight. Time for jazz band stuff
21:01.55wethrinLater!
21:01.59morsingBye
21:06.13morsingg'night
21:06.22antiphaseNot a whole jiggabyte :O
21:14.58halihm, some jazz perhaps...
21:15.21haliperhaps we should have a gllug event at ronnie scotts :P
21:23.14cpufreakmorsing: 1GB of weblogs/day isn't much.
21:23.48cpufreakwe're getting about 100GB/week of bzipped logs from our web farm
21:24.21antiphaseWhat about HTTP traffic? :)
21:33.58murbis 130G of imap traffic to one 4mb static imap mailbox in one week a lot?
21:34.16murb(yes you can thank 3 for and seven for that.)
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21:42.30murbnabend
21:43.45adminjsnabend
21:52.40adminjswas geht so ab?
21:57.36clive-hWould you mind speaking English?
21:58.02adminjsups wrong channel
21:58.24adminjsfreakin weather today
21:58.29clive-hheh
21:58.35adminjsoh new lugradio
21:59.13clive-hI don't understand much german
22:00.31adminjsno probs
22:00.37adminjsnever to late
22:01.17clive-hI regret you to have blame the education system for that
22:01.27clive-hI started German in Year 1 of secondary school
22:02.08adminjsand?
22:02.25clive-hUnfortunately the education authority switched us to learning French in Year 3
22:02.57clive-hI'd have rather done German than PE/Games/Woodwork/Metalwork ..
22:03.11clive-hI found it interesting
22:03.29clive-hTo compare and contrast with English
22:06.04adminjsi,m ready for holidays
22:06.59clive-hgoing somewhere nice?
22:07.27adminjsyeah orlando
22:07.33adminjssea world
22:07.38adminjsdisney
22:07.43adminjsnuff said
22:08.05clive-hdoesn't sound bad
22:08.30adminjsyeah 2 weeks
22:08.51adminjsstarting wednesday
22:09.21clive-hcool have fun
22:09.54clive-hI'd quite like to grab a few days in NYC before I get a new job
22:10.15adminjsyeah but i gonna miss FOSDEM
22:10.49clive-hpresumably family comes first?
22:12.05adminjshm girlfriend is alredy in philly
22:13.27adminjswhat would you do in NYC
22:13.55adminjsPopeye Chicken?
22:14.18clive-hmusuem of modern art
22:14.33clive-hthe old rock places
22:17.59adminjsTate Modern is not enuff
22:18.38clive-hI'm a rock fan
22:18.57clive-hI wanna see the punk rock places in NYC
22:19.16adminjslike?
22:20.08clive-hChelsea Hotel, the old factorym, CBGBs
22:31.15Leedsyou know CBGBs closed last year, right?
22:39.13clive-hYeah
22:39.17clive-hsadly
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22:42.45JAVhello
22:45.46adminjshello
23:30.11Leedshi
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