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| 02:02.43 | mumperer | Hi |
| 02:05.44 | rhowe | agk: Nope, but that sounds luggable on a train |
| 02:06.04 | rhowe | agk: I'll be travelling fairly light, with just a handcarry |
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| 02:58.29 | gw280 | I'm not even taking a hand carry |
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| 07:54.01 | trousers | Can mplayer do visualisation for audio? |
| 07:54.13 | Leeds | not that I'm aware of |
| 08:47.35 | sabinef72 | morning |
| 08:47.49 | sabinef72 | morsing !!!!!!!!! you around ? |
| 08:47.58 | Leeds | sabinef72: I'm insulted! |
| 08:48.26 | sabinef72 | Leeds: why ? |
| 08:49.03 | Leeds | you come in and immediately go for him? |
| 08:52.35 | sabinef72 | yes... it's a long time he didn't touch my noze |
| 08:52.49 | sabinef72 | Leeds: but before I said "morning" |
| 08:52.53 | sabinef72 | and it was for you too |
| 08:53.26 | Leeds | sabinef72: women! |
| 08:53.42 | sabinef72 | always |
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| 10:07.23 | niv_one_three | I am just considering pain |
| 10:07.48 | niv_one_three | seems it is so real at times, will fade away rapidly ant others |
| 10:08.03 | niv_one_three | I think it is an illusion |
| 10:10.01 | cpufreak | drop some acid |
| 10:10.19 | niv_one_three | I am at work :-( |
| 10:10.31 | niv_one_three | me not doing acid |
| 10:10.36 | niv_one_three | :-( |
| 10:11.55 | bilarh | niv_one_three: aha, that's your problem right there |
| 10:12.08 | bilarh | this is quite cool in a sickly way: http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/mos/skydiver.html?in_article_id=435694&in_page_id=1990&ito=1613 |
| 10:16.42 | niv_one_three | wish there was a video link there |
| 10:16.46 | niv_one_three | cant see it |
| 10:16.53 | niv_one_three | :-( |
| 10:17.39 | niv_one_three | bilarh: mind over matter? |
| 10:26.22 | bilarh | what does that actually mean? |
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| 11:01.23 | wethrin | arrr |
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| 11:22.12 | psnl | wethrin: good morning! |
| 11:22.40 | wethrin | Morning! |
| 11:39.35 | bilarh | ah, maste varit jag som missuppfattade nar det stog att postfix var designat som en drop-in replacement |
| 11:39.42 | bilarh | ffs, wrong window again :) |
| 11:41.37 | antiphas1 | Don't you have a foreign expression for "drop-in replacement"? |
| 11:42.00 | cpufreak | whats up with postfix henrik? |
| 11:43.52 | bilarh | cpufreak: nah i was just reading about it on the web :) |
| 11:44.04 | bilarh | antiphas: well, probably... i just don't know what it would be :P |
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| 11:58.01 | murb | clive-h: you *dared* to use your internet connection? |
| 11:58.17 | clive-h | Soit seems |
| 11:58.23 | clive-h | So even |
| 11:58.37 | murb | so no more a tenneramonth and as much as you can eat :p |
| 11:58.48 | clive-h | I need a new ISP clearly |
| 11:59.02 | murb | I cancelled my demon account i wasn't using when they scewed up the billing. |
| 11:59.06 | clive-h | The fair use thing happened when they went to ADSL max |
| 11:59.14 | murb | i was happy to be canceling as they even screwed up the callelation. |
| 11:59.42 | clive-h | Customer DISSeervices weren't very helpful |
| 12:00.08 | clive-h | I'm looking for a new ISP and I'll be ringing up for a MAC code |
| 12:00.24 | murb | my parents use a service which has a limited between 18->24 and unlimted outside those times. |
| 12:00.57 | clive-h | they're putting me on a rate limit of 128K between 9am-10pm |
| 12:01.28 | murb | that isn't very funny :( |
| 12:01.35 | clive-h | Nope |
| 12:02.10 | clive-h | I think it's time to move ISP |
| 12:02.22 | wethrin | There's only a few ISPs that offer unlimited ADSL MAX!!!1!! |
| 12:02.32 | clive-h | yes |
| 12:02.39 | clive-h | I know of a few |
| 12:02.42 | murb | wethrin: and you typically pay lots for that. |
| 12:02.46 | wethrin | Indeed |
| 12:02.49 | clive-h | Webtapestry being one |
| 12:02.51 | wethrin | I think Zen does, don't they? |
| 12:02.51 | murb | as they assume you are going to use it all the time. |
| 12:02.59 | clive-h | and cheaper than Demon |
| 12:03.20 | murb | my parents are with eclipse, but they have the above limits i mention on their cheapest QoS. |
| 12:03.42 | clive-h | I don't want limits |
| 12:04.09 | bilarh | i'm very happy with zen |
| 12:04.15 | bilarh | it's not unlimited though, i think |
| 12:04.22 | clive-h | I'm amazed I shipped 127Gb |
| 12:04.23 | bilarh | well, not for the 25quid i pay for 8mbits anyway |
| 12:04.35 | wethrin | I went for unlimited 2Mbit |
| 12:04.38 | wethrin | We use it quite a bit |
| 12:04.49 | murb | i have unlimited 16mb |
| 12:04.50 | rhowe | +MiB plugin for Eclipse |
| 12:04.55 | bilarh | i usually land at about 3.5g usage per month :P |
| 12:05.07 | clive-h | I might give bethere a call |
| 12:05.08 | cpufreak | I've done 150GB sine the start of feb |
| 12:05.20 | bilarh | bloody hell, what do you guys do? :D |
| 12:05.20 | cpufreak | unlimited giganews account 4tw |
| 12:05.20 | clive-h | They're LLU in my exchange |
| 12:05.37 | cpufreak | downloading hddvds |
| 12:05.42 | wethrin | torrents! |
| 12:05.51 | cpufreak | usenet > torrent |
| 12:05.57 | cpufreak | I'm not capped or anything |
| 12:06.13 | wethrin | Get usenet via torrents! |
| 12:06.22 | cpufreak | torrents are for kiddies |
| 12:06.25 | murb | wethrin: torrents are a bit of a bad idea if you are downloading stuff you aren't supposed to. |
| 12:06.30 | clive-h | I want uncapped ADSL again |
| 12:06.39 | murb | the copyright enforcement people don't seem to realise about usenet yet. |
| 12:06.41 | bilarh | i thought usenet died a death about 10 years ago :) |
| 12:06.46 | cpufreak | no |
| 12:07.00 | murb | although when they start collecting reader logs.. |
| 12:07.06 | murb | s/collecting/demanding/ |
| 12:07.18 | murb | although that would be something like fishing which probably isn't ok. |
| 12:07.30 | psnl | wethrin: dled top gear yet? |
| 12:07.38 | wethrin | Not last Sunday's |
| 12:08.32 | murb | do ISPs including multicast traffic in their limits? |
| 12:08.32 | cpufreak | bilarh: ~3TB/day of usenet binaries htese days |
| 12:08.34 | cpufreak | http://transit00.news.uk.clara.net/20070214.html |
| 12:08.47 | cpufreak | murb: yes they would |
| 12:09.21 | bilarh | cpufreak: damn! |
| 12:09.28 | cpufreak | as the traffic will still travel through bt centrals |
| 12:09.39 | clive-h | Hmmm that's a point, multicast would be handy |
| 12:09.41 | murb | cpufreak: not if they are llued. |
| 12:09.58 | cpufreak | murb: indeed but 99% of dsl in the country is non llu. |
| 12:10.08 | cpufreak | llu typically wont be capped anyway |
| 12:10.15 | cpufreak | my adsl2+ isn't |
| 12:10.44 | clive-h | which isp is that? |
| 12:11.18 | cpufreak | its a trial |
| 12:11.35 | clive-h | ahhh right |
| 12:11.52 | cpufreak | best trial ever, 14 months and counting |
| 12:11.56 | clive-h | Bethere are the only ISP in my exchange who offer ADSL2 I think |
| 12:37.01 | bilarh | fucking shite |
| 12:37.07 | bilarh | has anyone ever dealt with infoglue before? |
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| 13:30.38 | dick_turpin | can you (via apt-get) upgrade/replace mepis with Ubuntu? |
| 13:36.27 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; doubtful |
| 13:37.18 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Not even if I rammed a suasage in the USB port? |
| 13:37.33 | boudiccas | even more doubtful |
| 13:37.39 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: are you running any important services on it or is just user settings you want to migrate? |
| 13:38.14 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: The updates from synaptic state ubuntu-dapper.x.x.xxx |
| 13:38.59 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; well try it [after backing up your home folder] and if it breaks you get to keep the pieces :) |
| 13:39.42 | boudiccas | but i very much doubtif it will work |
| 13:42.09 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Hm, I've come buy a lubbly Fujitsu Amelo D-7830 everything I try and install on it hangs except the Mepis disc I have even Live CD's just hang |
| 13:46.07 | boudiccas | perhaps its hardware is too new for the linux software to recognise? Have you tried centos or the latest FC? |
| 13:46.57 | hali | dick_turpin: played with bios settings for acpi and usb legacy support? |
| 13:47.09 | hali | dick_turpin: i hade some problems getting my core2 working with the default bios crud |
| 13:48.18 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Yep, both failed as did the opensuse disc and the opensuse-net-install disc |
| 13:48.33 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; knoppix? |
| 13:48.50 | boudiccas | mandriva [or whatever its currently called]? |
| 13:49.28 | dick_turpin | hali: You may be on to something and may stop me doing something silly. On the boot up screen it complains that there is a problem with the BIOS pnp, I was gonna flash the BIOS tonight |
| 13:50.21 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Knoppix failed. I have loads of discs started at 6.45pm finnished at 12 midnight last night |
| 13:51.12 | boudiccas | looks like you're stuck with mepis on that box then, that is until the software catchs up |
| 13:53.08 | dick_turpin | On the 3rd attempt with Mepis I chose the 'Old Hardware' feature and it installed I wonder if thats the same as Suse when you get the 'safe settings' install option? |
| 13:53.31 | boudiccas | don't know. i haven't used/tried suse since 8.0 |
| 13:54.20 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: there should be lots of parameters to try when you boot |
| 13:54.34 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: the ubuntu alternative disk has some different stuff too |
| 13:54.47 | goibhniu | like the low-memory option iirc |
| 13:55.02 | hali | dick_turpin: might just be enough to slap noacpi and acpi=off as kernel options |
| 13:55.09 | hali | or is it acpi=no ... i can't remember |
| 13:56.04 | dick_turpin | hali: I may give that a try |
| 13:57.12 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I should have tried all of those paramiters but I got myself in a dicky fit |
| 13:57.25 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: does it have an intel gpu by any chance? |
| 13:58.04 | goibhniu | I had some fun with one before ... the graphical installer crawled and then froze on the map ... had to change the memory settings for it in the bios and it was fine |
| 13:59.34 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Um I dunno, I'm just a gifted amateur. Its an Intel Pentium P4 3GHz |
| 14:01.26 | goibhniu | http://bugi.oulu.fi/~heikkiv/chan/handsignals.jpg |
| 14:03.04 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: You need to get a job, something to occupy your time ;-) |
| 14:09.15 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: ROTFLMAO |
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| 14:37.15 | clive-h | New hardware can be problematic |
| 14:38.26 | bilarh | luckily, I can only afford old hardware so I'm safe :D |
| 14:38.59 | clive-h | heh |
| 14:39.27 | clive-h | This is my last new box this decade |
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| 15:54.48 | boudiccas | I've just read Dave Cross's post on Planet GLLUG. But what on earth is a 'bar camp'? |
| 15:55.11 | boudiccas | or even a 'barcamp' |
| 15:56.28 | clive-h | a what? |
| 15:56.38 | boudiccas | barcamp |
| 15:56.59 | clive-h | Not a term I know of |
| 15:57.27 | SlayerXP | it's similar to foocamp |
| 15:57.45 | boudiccas | k, what is a foocamp? |
| 15:58.12 | clive-h | I'm guesing the next one in the series is quixcamp |
| 15:58.30 | clive-h | as in foo,bar,quix |
| 16:00.55 | SlayerXP | boudiccas: is google illegal where you are? |
| 16:03.47 | murb | SlayerXP: maybe he is on a vt320 without screen? |
| 16:04.20 | SlayerXP | murb: that wasn't my question |
| 16:24.17 | tripitaka | dumb dns question here: if I have a caching only bind server, and I want it to forward all requests for a particular domain domain to a particular name server, can I do that? |
| 16:32.44 | wethrin | Should be done by use of the appropriate ns records :) |
| 16:40.36 | tripitaka | wethrin: should be, but in this case I'd prefer to intercept queries to foo.com and send them on to a certain nameserver, rather than advertise that nameserver as SOA for foo.com |
| 16:41.37 | tripitaka | it's probably in DNS & Bind 2nd edition, under 'don't do this' |
| 16:43.11 | wethrin | 2nd!? That's old |
| 16:43.23 | wethrin | You'd have to set yourself up as authoritative for the foo.com zone |
| 16:45.25 | antiphas1 | Sounds like a silly question to me :) |
| 16:45.29 | wethrin | well, it's regarded as A Bit Naughty, isn't it? |
| 16:46.20 | antiphas1 | Yes. /etc/hosts for the win ;) |
| 16:46.47 | wethrin | Quite :) |
| 16:53.53 | niv_one_three | is anyone here in to QoS ? I want to put them iptables to action |
| 16:55.29 | cpufreak | does your ISP support QoS over your DSL line? |
| 16:55.31 | cpufreak | if not then why bother |
| 16:57.17 | niv_one_three | sort of |
| 16:57.26 | niv_one_three | oh |
| 16:57.43 | niv_one_three | I need it to give sip piority over web and email |
| 16:58.20 | tripitaka | it will make sense if you are maxing your upstream |
| 16:58.20 | niv_one_three | I mean,I want the sip packets to be the first to travel along the connection |
| 16:58.34 | tripitaka | but it won't have any effect on your inbound traffic |
| 16:58.35 | niv_one_three | got a 128Kbit up stream |
| 16:58.57 | niv_one_three | ya, I am aware I can't police incoming |
| 16:59.18 | niv_one_three | I allready read about the diffrent QoS methods |
| 16:59.33 | niv_one_three | Bucket toss or some thing |
| 16:59.44 | niv_one_three | i also so two sample scripts |
| 16:59.58 | wethrin | tripitaka: You can still do bandwidth limiting on your incoming, though |
| 17:00.06 | niv_one_three | yet I am missing an example of how to give SIP priority |
| 17:01.23 | wethrin | Find what ports it uses |
| 17:01.25 | niv_one_three | SIP sessions start on 5060. |
| 17:01.45 | niv_one_three | but the actual stream uses RTP |
| 17:01.56 | niv_one_three | and the port is alocated dynamicly |
| 17:02.21 | niv_one_three | I would be glad just to have the right line to give google to flash a good script |
| 17:02.28 | niv_one_three | any ideas mates? |
| 17:02.58 | wethrin | You may be a bit stuck with dynamic porting |
| 17:04.05 | niv_one_three | can't the firewall "understand" the SIP signalin and "learn' which ports its going to use? |
| 17:04.41 | niv_one_three | (I think it was call turn bucket somthing) |
| 17:06.41 | wethrin | Not without a proxy |
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| 17:06.50 | wethrin | That'd be a huge abstraction violation |
| 17:08.52 | niv_one_three | wethrin: proxy? to destigwise the sip trafic? |
| 17:09.49 | niv_one_three | I mean - why do ppl use QoS at home any way? |
| 17:10.03 | niv_one_three | I see SIP as the obvios cause.. |
| 17:10.14 | wethrin | Prioritise interactive traffic over bulk transfers? |
| 17:10.21 | wethrin | It's why I use it at home |
| 17:10.33 | niv_one_three | I see |
| 17:11.14 | niv_one_three | wethrin; pls tell me what pharase to google to see if there is a script to priorities SIP |
| 17:11.27 | niv_one_three | btw, as far as I understood |
| 17:11.29 | wethrin | I have no idea |
| 17:11.37 | wethrin | "traffic shaping sip priority" |
| 17:11.53 | niv_one_three | QoS is ment to CHANGE the tos |
| 17:11.55 | niv_one_three | TOS |
| 17:12.19 | niv_one_three | so - the sip client may supply the right TOS by itself - right? |
| 17:14.17 | wethrin | Maybe |
| 17:14.35 | wethrin | But that assumes it's polite and well-written |
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| 17:16.19 | niv_one_three | so you advice me to ask the guy that writes twinke? |
| 17:16.23 | niv_one_three | twinkle |
| 17:17.07 | wethrin | sure |
| 17:18.39 | wethrin | I can't think of a particularly obvious way to pick out SIP traffic just on TCP headers alone. Unless there's something in the TOS field |
| 17:19.21 | niv_one_three | well these packets are RTP stream |
| 17:19.40 | niv_one_three | so if I fliter the rtp stream - I can pririties it |
| 17:19.43 | niv_one_three | right? |
| 17:20.29 | wethrin | Does RTP use defined ports? |
| 17:22.28 | niv_one_three | not sure |
| 17:22.42 | niv_one_three | but the header should indicate an RTP stream |
| 17:23.08 | wethrin | By the TOS field? |
| 17:24.19 | niv_one_three | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.39 | niv_one_three | this college just suggested checking msn for it (WTF?) |
| 17:27.02 | wethrin | msn search |
| 17:27.20 | wethrin | TOS only indicated Type of Service, not quality |
| 17:29.22 | niv_one_three | but if I got TOS set right , it will automaticlly get priority - right? |
| 17:29.35 | wethrin | Not necessarily. Depends on your TCP stack :) |
| 17:30.09 | niv_one_three | pls explain in one more line - if you can |
| 17:32.34 | wethrin | Well, your TCP stack may or may not honour the TOS field |
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| 17:45.16 | Leeds | ibot! |
| 17:45.21 | wethrin | LEeds! |
| 17:45.39 | niv_one_three | leeds: are you familier with QoS ? |
| 17:46.10 | Leeds | no! |
| 17:46.38 | bilarh | i never offer qos |
| 17:46.51 | bilarh | but i offer no qos consistently :P |
| 17:47.20 | niv_one_three | oh ok |
| 17:50.04 | wethrin | bilarh: That's your Quality Promise? :) |
| 17:51.03 | niv_one_three | :- \ |
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| 20:42.49 | z00dax | wethrin: ping |
| 20:43.26 | wethrin | pong |
| 20:43.52 | z00dax | I've just sent the announce email for the talk next thursday, hope that is ok |
| 20:44.09 | z00dax | also, can you forward it to london.pm and lonix and just about everyone else who might be interested ? |
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| 20:54.57 | wethrin | I'll forward it to the appropriate people to send out |
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| 23:20.07 | knokapix | Hi, any puppets around? Or is that only next week?j |
| 23:20.53 | wethrin | Puppet talk next week |
| 23:21.00 | wethrin | z00dax: ping? |
| 23:21.15 | knokapix | death ping? |
| 23:44.16 | z00dax | wethrin: hi |
| 23:45.08 | wethrin | Did you send the email to the announce mailing list too? |
| 23:50.23 | z00dax | there is an announce list ? |
| 23:50.45 | wethrin | Yes |
| 23:51.09 | z00dax | why didnt I get the memo ? </morsing> |
| 23:51.27 | wethrin | There's been one for a long time |
| 23:51.47 | z00dax | so it seems |
| 23:51.57 | z00dax | let me repost |
| 23:51.59 | wethrin | Want me to forward it? |
| 23:52.58 | wethrin | Or just to the Lonix list? |
| 23:54.40 | wethrin | gllug-announce@lists.gllug.org.uk |
| 23:56.43 | z00dax | gotcha, posting now - if you can do lonix that would be cool |
