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06:23.14[Clive]oooh life
06:27.14LeedsHKit's an illusion
06:37.06[Clive]heh
07:11.20morsingwethrin!
07:46.02morsingping LeedsHK
07:46.16LeedsHKBONG!
07:46.23morsingHow are you?
07:47.21LeedsHKnot bad... a little nervous about tomorrow
07:48.08morsingWhy? Interview?
07:48.22LeedsHKyeah, sort of
07:53.30morsingHmm... Good luck
08:15.22morsingibot beam wethrin
08:21.53LeedsHKthanks
08:22.10[Clive]yes best wishes
08:22.24LeedsHKthe boss here seems pretty confident about it, which is good
08:26.44morsingWhat's the job?
08:26.52morsing[Clive]: Are you contracting?
08:27.01LeedsHKinitially, a server audit for a large bank
08:27.19LeedsHKand it would be a contract
08:30.06morsingMmm... Money
08:32.40[Clive]I'll contract or go perm
08:34.11[Clive]Much or a muchness as far as I'm concerned
08:34.15[Clive]of
08:34.29[Clive]I just need to eat etc
08:34.44LeedsHKpay rent
08:34.47morsing[Clive]: So you're unemployed?
08:35.04[Clive]between jobs yah
08:36.05[Clive]I'm on leave I suppose till end of the week
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08:37.11niv_one_threepixies and black coffee
08:37.30[Clive]pixies the band?
08:37.38niv_one_three+
08:37.48morsingniv_one_three!
08:37.54niv_one_threehi :-)
08:38.12[Clive]great live band
08:38.20niv_one_threeI still look for an advanced gimp tatorial
08:38.32niv_one_threemay I still see them live/
08:38.36niv_one_three?
08:38.45[Clive]They've reformed
08:38.49[Clive]so possible
08:39.00niv_one_threewas up till 4am using gimp for the third time
08:39.19niv_one_threeClive: and so I have heard
08:57.17LeedsHKwhy, at 5pm, are people in the office suddenly eating?
08:58.55morsingFood
09:00.28niv_one_threedepends what they are eating/smoke before/type of job
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09:24.46[Clive]There's life again, rah!¬
09:26.17morsinggreebo!
09:29.22greebomorsing!
09:47.19LeedsHKcoldest day of the year... 10.6C
09:50.42niv_one_threenipples?
09:50.57LeedsHKniv_one_three: ????
09:55.00niv_one_threeLeedsHK: colder effcet on females?
09:55.19LeedsHKleave it out...
09:57.46niv_one_threethat should have been a "/msg" - right :-\
09:58.54LeedsHKfool :-P
10:00.13niv_one_threeany females here that I may offend?
10:00.28niv_one_threeI was assuming only boys live here
10:00.41niv_one_threeand well, the chill effect is known...
10:02.04LeedsHKyes, there are females here
10:02.59niv_one_threeoh
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10:11.03LeedsHKtime to go meet Joy for fish'n'chips...
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10:41.11bilarh_hmm
10:41.22bilarh_what kind of frames should i get for my glasses?
10:41.28bilarh_round face :)
10:41.33bilarh_pale
10:41.42bilarh_with a wyse50-tan
10:44.56wethrinpeople!
10:54.59morsingping Leeds
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11:01.48morsinggoibhniu!
11:02.03goibhniugoibhniu!
11:02.10goibhniuoh! ... morsing!!
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11:09.19murrayg'day ... apt question ....
11:09.23murrayI'm (finally) doing the libc6 USA-BST upgrade thing.  One machine has in /etc/apt/sources.list
11:09.26murraydeb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian-amd64/ sarge main contrib non-free
11:09.36murrayand finds version 2.3.2.ds1-22
11:09.47murraythe other has
11:09.50murraydeb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free
11:09.53murrayand finds version 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5
11:10.00murrayI'm aware that we're not using an officially supported release, but any idea why the difference would occur? Is the uk mirror lagging?
11:10.11wethrinPhil Hands' mirror can sometimes lag a bit
11:10.15wethrinUse mirror.ox.ac.uk
11:10.50murrayk.  it also raised the question "is there anywhere that tells you if a given mirror is lagging?"
11:12.13wethrinno idea
11:13.10murraythanks :)
11:18.38morsingping wethrin
11:19.02wethrinpong
11:21.00bilarh_anyone know if the on board raid chipset is the same on a sun x2100 and x4200?
11:23.42bilarh_ah, it's an LSI raid controller
11:40.09morsingping sabinef72
11:56.40morsing~seen sabinef72
11:57.09ibotsabinef72 is currently on #gllug, last said: 'I have a cold'.
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12:13.18gw280GRRRRRRRRRRR
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12:24.19goibhniuhey niv_one_three what's the story with "push the button" the eurovision song?
12:26.23niv_one_threeno idea. I havent heard it
12:27.20niv_one_threethe gourp that shall be preforming are known to have an opion about stuff , and having lyrics with meaning
12:27.50niv_one_threemaybe iran would have an A bomb
12:27.57niv_one_threemaybe its not a good idea
12:28.02niv_one_threedont know
12:28.39goibhniuI half heard a report about it yesterday and I wasn't sure what angle it was from .. sounds pretty controversial tho
12:30.11goibhniuI figured it was something along the lines of "let's drop a A bomb on palestine", which would surely be ironic
12:30.28goibhnius/a\ /an/
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12:40.14morsingniv_one_three!
12:40.20niv_one_threeoh yes
12:42.20niv_one_threegoibhniu: I would imagine its the other way around
12:42.21niv_one_threemore in the lines of us getting smashed
12:43.28goibhniuniv_one_three: ahh ... wow!
12:55.19niv_one_threegoibhniu: I doought it
12:55.38niv_one_threeyet there may still be some russian lessbian singers....
12:58.39niv_one_threetatu version of the smiths brings tires to my eyes
12:58.39niv_one_three"how soon is now"
13:04.14morsingtears?
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13:09.39dick_turpinmorsing:
13:10.06niv_one_threetears!
13:10.09niv_one_threesorry
13:10.35niv_one_threemy spelling ,,,
13:10.56dick_turpingoibhniu: Oi
13:11.43morsingdick_turpin!
13:12.09dick_turpinmorsing: Whats going on, anything?
13:13.53morsingOnly bad things
13:13.55morsing:(
13:13.58morsingLife sucks
13:15.35dick_turpinmorsing: Groan, go on then, why?
13:16.55morsingdick_turpin: Doesn't matter, you can't help anyway
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13:18.10dick_turpinmorsing: Thanks for that vote of confidence in my ability
13:24.07goibhniudick_turpin!
13:24.23goibhniu"push the button, push the button"
13:24.35dick_turpingoibhniu: Me old mucker
13:25.30goibhniudick_turpin: you want to watch a mind blowing presentation about UI design by Alan Kay from the 80s?
13:25.31dick_turpingoibhniu: You Israeli then?
13:25.35goibhniu:D
13:25.42goibhniudick_turpin: you rock!
13:26.08goibhniudick_turpin: I figured I was behind the times ... getting the news via podcasts has it's disadvantages
13:26.09dick_turpingoibhniu: Look upon my works and tremble :-)
13:26.52goibhniudick_turpin: did you hike your visitor count artificially?
13:27.02goibhniuI could swear it was ~3000 yesterday
13:27.17dick_turpingoibhniu: Nope you cheeky bugger
13:28.09goibhniudick_turpin: you should put up some google ads ... so they can accuse you of click fraud just before they're supposed to pay up
13:28.25dick_turpingoibhniu: Are you keeping a daily check on the sites progress? added more stuff today, its good when your middle management
13:29.11goibhniudick_turpin: well, my observation skills aren't too hot ... since I thought you're visitor count jumped by 2000 overnight
13:29.34goibhniudick_turpin: I know that wasn't just me
13:30.06dick_turpingoibhniu: If trueth be told I would'nt know how to manipulate the module
13:30.37dick_turpintruth
13:53.11goibhniudick_turpin: http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=514&sid=80c899a05a326a6da604acd86791cdbd "You know you've been playing with Beryl too much when..." :D
14:01.24dick_turpingoibhniu: As you know I'm a caring individual full of the milk of human kindness. All those posters should be gassed ;-)
14:03.29bilarhhmm, it's annoying that ircnet doesn't support long nicks
14:04.19z00daxanything longer than 10 char's is too long
14:04.19Leedsthis... isn't ircnet
14:04.30z00daxLeeds: !
14:04.36Leedsit's freenode
14:04.54bilarhyeah i know
14:05.03z00daxI was talking about you a few minutes back, venting at the chap who ref: w.r.t the idiotic Ob thing
14:05.08bilarhfreenode support my preferred name :)
14:05.29bilarhsupports*
14:05.42z00daxibot: wake up everyone
14:05.48ibotACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on up everyone and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"
14:05.49Leedsoh yeah?  I never heard a peep back from them, of course - not that I expected to... I did ping the guys I'd got along with, but never got a reply...
14:06.10bilarhibot: wake up bilarh
14:06.12ibotACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on up bilarh and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"
14:06.43z00daxafaict they seem to have been a bit taken aback with the fact that you were over qualified for the job they had on offer. and i think $someone even felt it might be dangerious to his own chair having you around
14:06.44bilarhibot: it's not 'on up bilarh' :P
14:06.54z00daxmind you, thats hearsay now..
14:07.15Leedsinteresting
14:07.20z00daxibot: bilarh is mad
14:07.21ibot...but bilarh is already something else...
14:07.27z00daxibot: bilarh is also mad
14:07.28ibotokay, z00dax
14:07.34z00daxibot: bilarh
14:07.35ibotrumour has it, bilarh is making a fool of himself, as usual, or mad
14:07.44z00daxibot: nice one
14:07.46ibotACTION lowers one's priority
14:07.54bilarhhehe :)
14:08.27bilarhthat probably sums me up in a sentence actually :)
14:08.31bilarha/log4j.appender.R.layout.ConversionPattern=%d{dd MMM yyyy HH:mm:ss.SSS} [%p] [%t] [%c] - %m%n
14:08.37bilarheh, sorry guys :P
14:08.41z00daxlog4j user!
14:08.58z00daxibot: bilarh is also a java monkey and abuses log4j
14:08.59ibotokay, z00dax
14:09.14bilarhibot: bilarh
14:09.15ibotyou are probably making a fool of himself, as usual, or mad, or a java monkey and abuses log4j
14:09.22bilarhhehe
14:09.25bilarhi like ibot
14:09.28bilarhit's quite cool :)
14:23.10z00daxok, so i need to ask since i have no clue ....
14:23.51z00daxwhats a decent pub / bar / $place where a couple of people ( 2 or 3 ) might be able to get a drink, free WiFi and it be reasonabally quiet to have a conversation as well
14:24.09z00daxand if the place can be walking distance from CharringX, even better
14:24.19z00daxbut anywhere tube'able would work
14:25.27z00daxibot: wake up everyone
14:25.28ibotACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on up everyone and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"
14:27.11dick_turpinibot I'm soaked
14:27.55boudiccasThe month has rolled around again and Kent-lug has its social meeting on Friday 9 March [this coming friday] at ... the 'British Queen' at 1930 onwards. This is on 7-8 Square Hill Road and can be found at http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=576737&y=155704&z=0&ar=Y. Apparently they do good food and good beer, so a good evening is likely to be had by all attendees :)
14:31.40boudiccasits all gone quiet
14:31.55dick_turpinboudiccas: Cos we are hiding
14:32.03boudiccaslol
14:32.23z00daxboudiccas: postcode ?
14:32.53boudiccasz00dax; ME15 7TJ
14:33.54dick_turpinboudiccas: This game is no fun, I've been hiding here for four days and no one has found me yet
14:34.29boudiccastry telling people where you are hiding then. post hints and give the person who finds you a prize
14:35.00z00daxits about a 3 hr journey from work to there... so if i want to get there, unlikely i will make it before 9pm or a bit after
14:35.47dick_turpinboudiccas: There's a big bloody red arrow pointing to the cupboard how much more info do you want?
14:35.56boudiccaswe tend to be at our venue until after 2200. i normally leave around 2130ish, or when i'm drunk enough :)
14:36.24z00daxwhats the crowd like ? is the place smokey ?
14:36.46boudiccasdick_turpin; perhaps its too bloody, soften the tone, make it more post box red and not bloody red
14:37.06boudiccasz00dax; don't know, this is the first meeting at this venue
14:38.28dick_turpinboudiccas: Its my bat and ball and I'm going home
14:38.40boudiccasz00dax; as with all social events, i don't know how many peoples are going to turn up, there could be 3 or there could 6 or more. time will tell
14:38.59boudiccasdick_turpin; thats your quite message, i recognise it
14:39.03boudiccas*quit
14:40.09z00daxi am sure there are more than 6 people in kent who use linux
14:41.08boudiccasyes, but because kent is so big we don't get everybody at the social. we run 2 socials a fortnight apart, one in Maidstone and one in Canterbury
14:41.40boudiccasthis will be our 3rd maidstone one
14:41.46z00daxcool
14:41.58dick_turpinboudiccas: You trying to get rid of me?
14:42.06z00daxi am not really in kent, missed it by about 50 yards i think
14:42.28boudiccasz00dax; well if you turn up you'll be made very welcome
14:42.43boudiccasdick_turpin; nope. what gave you that idea?
14:42.44z00daxdick_turpin: whats a quiet pub in london with free wifi and half decent beer ?
14:44.24goibhniuz00dax: there's a geek pub in hackney, with linux powered cash registers
14:44.35halinoone wants to go to hackney though :)
14:44.45wethrinThere is that :)
14:46.30halitrying to think of a good place in soho..
14:46.36goibhniuz00dax: don't listen to them ... they probably live in W43
14:46.56halithere is the couch but their beer selection is a bit limited....
14:47.19halibut it's packed with chicks, got free wifi and is quiet'ish
14:47.22wethrinPillars of Hercules!
14:47.24z00daxwtf is w43, there is no such postcode
14:47.31halihehe... love pillars of hercules :)
14:47.33z00daxhali: works forme
14:47.36halidj wheelybag rocks! :)
14:47.46wethrinThe Guv'nor used to be a geek. The Guv'nor may have changed recently, too
14:47.48halipillars of hercules is very geeky
14:47.55halibut quite small
14:48.10wethrinIs Dan still in charge of it, or has he moved on?
14:48.15z00daxwe ended up in pizza hut yesterday, and i'd rather not do that - borrow wifi from some $random people in the area, and sit drinking free topup pepsi for 3 hrs
14:48.16morsingHe has moved on
14:48.20morsingFortunately
14:48.29wethrinmorsing: Didn't like him?
14:48.33morsingPassed on would be even better
14:48.39morsingNope, that's why I left
14:49.31wethrinwhen did you leave the Pillars?
14:49.34z00daxsomething larger than a matchbox would be good
14:50.03wethrinGoing out to Mayfair, there's the Windmill, or the Burlington Arms
14:50.28morsingAre we still talking about Dan West?
14:50.36wethrinNo
14:50.40wethrinDan Williams
14:50.41morsingOhh...
14:50.45morsingNice guy
14:50.51wethrinHe was the guv'nor of the Pillars of Hercules, and a thoroughly decent chap
14:50.56wethrinEven if he gave his Cray to someone else
14:51.00wethrinWho's Dan West?
14:51.53morsingMy ex-boss at Camelot
14:51.57wethrinAhhh
14:51.58z00daxbrother of Kanye west
14:52.01morsing:)
14:52.17morsingThe govenor of Nevada?
14:54.20dick_turpinI cant concentrate the phone keeps interupting me
14:55.02wethrinUnplug it
14:55.09z00daxhire a secy
14:55.09wethrinOr forward to voicemail
14:56.53z00daxhumm
14:57.09z00daxhali: couch is quiet ?
14:57.30haliz00dax: yes
14:57.31wethrinz00dax: Shall we have a Gllug meeting for the 17th or 24th?
14:57.31z00daxquiet enough to whip out a laptop or two or three and actually get something done ?
14:57.40haliz00dax: yes
14:58.04z00daxwethrin: 17th works for me just fine, bit short notice now though... 24th i should not be in the .uk
14:58.17z00daxhali: in the evening from 6:pm to 11pm ?
14:58.27wethrinAye
14:58.44z00daxSlayerXP and pdr have talks ... lets get them to do those :)
14:58.53z00daxas long as $venue is available
14:59.02wethrinYup. And we just need another person
14:59.21z00dax3 talks ?
14:59.22z00daxhumm
14:59.28wethrinFor a Saturday afternoon, is reasonable
14:59.33z00daxsure
14:59.37wethrinHave you seen the email from Graham Morrison?
14:59.45z00daxkeithlard: would you like to do a talk on test driven development ?
14:59.49wethrinSo....anti-spam, Python GUI library.....
15:00.01wethrinThere doesn't seem to be much of a theme tying it together
15:00.43z00daxyes saw that email, not sure what that is about - a person who wants to find out about linux, really should get an internet connection
15:01.12wethrinTrue
15:01.19z00daxmay not be much synergy in test driven development and the first time computer user
15:01.25wethrinOh, could we get John Hearns?
15:01.38wethrinHe's offered to talk
15:01.49z00daxhe said he wants a thursday spot since he wants to bring in clients and people who might be interested from Academia etc
15:02.24wethrinAhh. Yes.
15:02.32wethrinHm. I can't do the 17th, but I can do the 24th :)
15:04.56z00daxlets ask sean about the room
15:05.17wethrinYup. 17th is only 1.5 weeks away, which may be a bit short
15:05.25z00daxyea
15:09.13wethrinWe should check speaker availabilities
15:09.33wethrinI still have one person who'd be interested in giving a talk on XML stuff (he's on various standards committees), or on language translation
15:10.30z00daxwoulc be cool
15:10.44wethrinYeah
15:11.54wethrinAhha: http://www.xml.com/pub/au/223
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15:12.58Leedshah... got an email from monster.com.hk - and one of the sponsored ads on gmail is for... monster.com.hk :-)
15:13.28z00daxmake sure you click it
15:13.41z00daxmakeempay for mailing you
15:14.10wethrinheh
15:14.36Leedsnah - they appear to be the best of the local job boards, with the exception of one aggregator
15:18.44tripitakaanyone know a decent way of sending nagios alerts via sms?
15:22.07niv_one_threeoh ya
15:22.11niv_one_threewhile on it
15:22.33niv_one_threeis there a way other then licq to send sms via icq?
15:22.55niv_one_threewish I could do it from the shell
15:22.57niv_one_three..
15:25.04wethrinz00dax: So, thoughts on Speaker 3?
15:25.24z00daxwethrin: sounds good
15:25.51z00daxtripitaka: email -> sms gateways work
15:26.01z00daxhowever, i like the idea of using the http -> sms gateways
15:26.03wethrinHe's a busy person, so might not be able to make it. That was a more generic question :)
15:26.37wethrinAnd probably wouldn't fit in too well with the other topics
15:26.50z00daxdepends on what he is talking about...
15:27.04z00daxpretty much everyone has xml infusion in their lives these days, so i am sure there is synergy somewhere
15:27.06tripitakaz00dax: know any good gateway services?
15:27.33z00daxtripitaka: clicktell, i used for years - then moved to singtel
15:27.43z00daxclicktel even
15:28.06z00daxhumm damn not that either
15:28.26z00daxclickatell!
15:28.31wethrinz00dax: Given he's also a family friend, I can say that he's going to need a lot more notice to find the time to come and speak :-/
15:28.49tripitakacheers
15:48.17niv_one_threeis it far fetched not to publish photos taken in party orginized by members of an internet forum?
16:17.38niv_one_threeanyone?
16:17.53niv_one_three(all went to the pub and left me here alone :-(
16:29.50goibhniuniv_one_three: no, of course not
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17:57.12eyoreanyone have any recommendations for hosted forums
17:57.28eyorereliable, skinnable, not-free
17:57.30eyorethat kind of thing
17:57.36eyorepossibly based on phpBB or similar
18:08.10goibhniueyore: not-free?
18:08.41eyoreI just mean not some overloaded system that doesn't support CName-ing a domain.
18:08.43goibhniuI heard the folks from the linux action show were pretty fond of http://getvanilla.com/
18:10.07eyoredefinately need hosted
18:10.32goibhniuoh ... sorry ... didn't see that
18:15.01z00daxhali: around ?
18:15.14z00daxchange in scene - i now need to find a quiet place, with wifi in the embankment area
18:15.22z00daxgoibhniu: recommend something
18:16.35goibhniuz00dax: my underpants?
18:16.45z00daxumm no, wrong answer
18:27.19keithlard_that's disquieting
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19:26.44haliz00dax: there is a quite large wheaterspoons halfway up to shaftsbury ave... opposite some teather
19:27.17boudiccashali; 'teather' ???
19:27.53haliswedish spelling for theater :)
19:28.20haliim eating a sandwich as i type, i blame that
19:28.26boudiccastheater is american spelling for the english theatre
19:28.46halifine
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22:44.13goibhniuAlan Kay rocked back then too: http://webcast.berkeley.edu/stream.php?type=real&webcastid=17557
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23:55.47Leedsit's really rather chilly here

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