| 00:00.04 | deep-blue | apologies :p |
| 00:00.22 | deep-blue | blame irssi, i can only imagine it only pings the last person who typed a message |
| 00:00.36 | wethrin | No, you pung the whole channel |
| 00:00.48 | deep-blue | whoops >< |
| 00:00.59 | deep-blue | blame irssi, apologies all |
| 00:02.04 | trousers_ | Pung, eh? :) |
| 00:02.22 | deep-blue | hay trousers_ |
| 00:02.35 | trousers_ | Morning. |
| 00:02.37 | wethrin | indeed. Perfect tense of ping |
| 00:03.14 | z00dax | pingification! |
| 00:04.48 | deep-blue | ubuntu hates me, im having nothing but problems trying to build a smaller, cleaner kernel |
| 00:04.59 | wethrin | DDTT |
| 00:05.08 | z00dax | wtf is a smaller cleaner kernel ? |
| 00:05.12 | z00dax | dont ubuntu use modules ? |
| 00:05.15 | deep-blue | mostly |
| 00:05.24 | deep-blue | but a lot of crap is still in the generic one |
| 00:05.33 | z00dax | what do you mean 'in' |
| 00:05.44 | z00dax | statically included in the core ? |
| 00:05.57 | deep-blue | so i built one optimised for a p3coppermine, and remove a lot of the isa support, some of the sound n vid cards etc |
| 00:06.13 | deep-blue | and a fair amount of network drivers, sound drivers etc are built in, as opposed to modules |
| 00:06.20 | z00dax | i'd be surprised if in this day and age sound and vid card support was statc |
| 00:06.31 | deep-blue | a LOT seemed to be |
| 00:06.32 | clive-h | monolithic kernels += |
| 00:06.34 | z00dax | and isa support was mostly dropped with i386 / i586 |
| 00:06.38 | clive-h | monolithic kernels -- |
| 00:06.41 | deep-blue | and i used the original 6.06 config as a template |
| 00:06.48 | z00dax | use CentOS :) |
| 00:07.04 | deep-blue | im certainly considering another OS |
| 00:07.08 | clive-h | I do on work servers |
| 00:07.15 | deep-blue | but this laptop is a pansy on spcs |
| 00:07.20 | clive-h | I use Fedora Core at home |
| 00:07.27 | z00dax | I dont think its that bad to make you consider another OS - try another distro first |
| 00:07.29 | deep-blue | P3-700, 256mb ram, ati m1 mobility |
| 00:07.37 | deep-blue | i meant distro :p |
| 00:07.46 | z00dax | \o/ |
| 00:08.00 | z00dax | so is this mostly a desktop machine then ? |
| 00:08.01 | deep-blue | only other OS id consider on this, is unix |
| 00:08.04 | deep-blue | laptop |
| 00:08.09 | clive-h | unix? |
| 00:08.16 | z00dax | right but what sort of a role is it deployed for ? |
| 00:08.25 | clive-h | what do you mean unix? |
| 00:08.28 | z00dax | if you want all the latest snappy media and video codec support or not |
| 00:08.39 | goibhniu | deep-blue: arch is a speed demon |
| 00:08.40 | deep-blue | well, as i recently got a new battery for it, this would be fun as something i tote around |
| 00:08.43 | deep-blue | its tiny |
| 00:08.49 | deep-blue | goibhniu: even on this little ram? |
| 00:09.01 | z00dax | 256megs is plenty as long as you manage it right |
| 00:09.03 | goibhniu | oh yeah ... it's amazing |
| 00:09.15 | clive-h | linux is a unix for some values of unix |
| 00:09.32 | clive-h | 256mb is fine |
| 00:09.38 | z00dax | ok, time to get some more work done |
| 00:09.47 | clive-h | choose a window manager with care |
| 00:09.51 | goibhniu | deep-blue: even with gnome |
| 00:09.53 | z00dax | ratpoison! |
| 00:10.03 | clive-h | i use xfce |
| 00:10.03 | z00dax | its all of about 12kb or something |
| 00:10.04 | deep-blue | goibhniu: im a stickler for gnome |
| 00:10.28 | goibhniu | I ran it off a usb drive and it screamed |
| 00:10.29 | clive-h | 256mb sucks with gnome in 256mb |
| 00:10.37 | deep-blue | ive killed a LOT of services, and trimmed down the fat loaded on boot, and as a result, after a clean boot, ive got between 100-120mb of ram free |
| 00:10.41 | goibhniu | 128mb is fine |
| 00:10.53 | goibhniu | you might want to use epiphany instead of firefox tho |
| 00:11.01 | z00dax | elinks! |
| 00:11.14 | deep-blue | rat poison would suck considering the amount of web browsing that gets done on this |
| 00:11.32 | z00dax | deep-blue: run nx on the laptop and just run the apps elsewhere |
| 00:12.27 | deep-blue | z00dax: my original plan was something similar, get a 4gb cf card on this, have a TINY install running off that, then have my server run NX or something similar |
| 00:12.51 | deep-blue | however, i also use this laptop onsite at repairs etc |
| 00:14.22 | goibhniu | deep-blue: did you try the low memory ubuntu install? |
| 00:14.43 | deep-blue | goibhniu: thats the next step id imagine |
| 00:14.45 | goibhniu | it's on the alternative install cd |
| 00:14.51 | deep-blue | yer |
| 00:15.21 | deep-blue | the hdd on this is pretty fast, so the memory swapping isnt HORRIBLE....but loading a new app sucks |
| 00:15.37 | deep-blue | its fine now for example, i have 5 tabs in ffox, and 3 terminal sessions running |
| 00:16.56 | goibhniu | hmm ... maybe arch wouldn't be so good for a P3 ... it may be optimised for newer machines |
| 00:18.07 | clive-h | I run Fc5 happily on a P3 1Ghz |
| 00:18.16 | clive-h | with 512Mb RAM |
| 00:18.26 | deep-blue | clive-h: goibhniu, its not the cpu that is limited here, its the ram |
| 00:18.46 | deep-blue | and im not going to blow 50quid to test to see if i can make it take 512mb |
| 00:19.08 | clive-h | I run Fc6 on a 1.6Ghz laptop with 256Mb |
| 00:19.21 | goibhniu | deep-blue: but I think the reason arch is so fast is because everything is compiled for P4+ |
| 00:19.26 | clive-h | but using xfce4 |
| 00:19.37 | deep-blue | ahh |
| 00:19.40 | deep-blue | if ica |
| 00:19.47 | deep-blue | *if i cared enough, id go to gentoo |
| 00:19.52 | deep-blue | and compile from scratch |
| 00:20.10 | deep-blue | but im really not that bothered |
| 00:20.24 | goibhniu | deep-blue: I gave up on gentoo for slower boxes ... it's too painful |
| 00:20.35 | goibhniu | on a fast machine it's sweet tho |
| 00:22.49 | clive-h | I'll respectfully differ |
| 00:23.16 | goibhniu | clive-h: you seem rather fond of fc |
| 00:23.25 | goibhniu | I've never tried it |
| 00:23.48 | goibhniu | I loved mandrake but the rpm thing got me down in the end |
| 00:23.59 | clive-h | i come from a systemV background |
| 00:24.13 | clive-h | I was doing unix before linux existed |
| 00:24.22 | wethrin | Oldie |
| 00:24.28 | clive-h | Yeah sure |
| 00:24.30 | trousers_ | goibhniu: What about compiling on another machine or distcc? |
| 00:24.38 | clive-h | Been in IT since 1984 |
| 00:25.20 | clive-h | I like Redhat/Fedora/Centos cos it's similar to sysV |
| 00:25.27 | goibhniu | trousers_: yeah, but it's a bit inconvenient ... would be the way to go for a farm or something |
| 00:26.13 | goibhniu | clive-h: sysV is basically run levels and init.d scripts? |
| 00:26.13 | clive-h | Building code on production servers isn't my idea of fun |
| 00:26.20 | clive-h | Yeah |
| 00:26.49 | clive-h | Linux is subtly different from SysV |
| 00:26.53 | goibhniu | gentoo does have that... I use it for switching between a battery level and a normal level |
| 00:27.02 | clive-h | re init scripts and run levels |
| 00:27.12 | clive-h | Yes it does |
| 00:27.24 | clive-h | I've adminned gentoo boxes |
| 00:27.54 | goibhniu | bsd doesn't? (never looked at it) |
| 00:28.12 | trousers_ | I also need to play with BSD bit. |
| 00:28.22 | wethrin | BSD++ |
| 00:28.28 | goibhniu | I like the sound of jails |
| 00:28.42 | goibhniu | not in general ... just in bsd |
| 00:28.57 | wethrin | FreeBSD should have ZFS in its latest snapshot too |
| 00:29.09 | trousers_ | ZFS? |
| 00:29.33 | wethrin | ZFS |
| 00:29.42 | goibhniu | ~wiki zfs |
| 00:29.42 | wethrin | Wikipedia it :) |
| 00:29.54 | clive-h | Sun's new file-system |
| 00:30.06 | clive-h | It'll be in next OS X too |
| 00:30.16 | trousers_ | Funky. |
| 00:30.18 | goibhniu | clive-h: enough of that foul talk |
| 00:30.39 | goibhniu | whiskey? |
| 00:31.00 | clive-h | Foul talk? |
| 00:31.27 | clive-h | I think linux will have ZFS too at some point |
| 00:31.55 | trousers_ | Naturally. |
| 00:32.20 | clive-h | Though perhaps not in the immediately up stream kernel |
| 00:32.41 | trousers_ | I'm sure there'll be a patch... |
| 00:33.06 | trousers_ | I mean, `emerge -s zfs` gives me a package with some zfs mounting support (I think) |
| 00:33.20 | goibhniu | I heard some talk about git today ... it sounds cool! |
| 00:33.29 | trousers_ | Anyway, about time I went to bed. |
| 00:33.30 | Leeds | and you *know* it's better than xfs... |
| 00:33.31 | trousers_ | G'night. |
| 00:33.42 | clive-h | I still use ext3 |
| 00:33.43 | goibhniu | trousers_: morning |
| 00:34.16 | goibhniu | does anyone use git? |
| 00:34.32 | clive-h | Linus? |
| 00:34.47 | goibhniu | I like the sound of there being no need for a central repo |
| 00:38.08 | wethrin | Ahha. There's troubles with getting ZFS onto Linux |
| 00:38.15 | goibhniu | hey Leeds ... married yet? |
| 00:39.13 | wethrin | Usual licencing issue rubbish |
| 00:40.51 | Leeds | not yet, no |
| 00:41.17 | goibhniu | Leeds financially buoyant? |
| 00:42.07 | goibhniu | Leeds: how's the weather? |
| 00:42.18 | wethrin | nn |
| 00:42.31 | Leeds | not yet employed or paid... |
| 00:42.48 | Leeds | and warming up, but still cool and wet |
| 00:45.16 | Leeds | that's the weather, not the not-wife ;-) |
| 00:45.32 | goibhniu | ohh! gotcha |
| 00:46.01 | goibhniu | I've got a nephew on the way ... any day now |
| 00:46.15 | goibhniu | should be a disruptive technology |
| 00:46.32 | Leeds | ah! must call my mate in Ilford... got a kid due this week... |
| 00:46.58 | goibhniu | oh ... I meant to buy a book about baby sign language |
| 00:47.36 | goibhniu | I got confused about whether it was bad luck to buy it before the baby popped out or not |
| 00:48.48 | goibhniu | they got a "4d scan" ... it's pretty mad ... you can see his face and all |
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| 06:26.29 | mumperer | Morning everybody! :) |
| 06:31.54 | Leeds | afternoon |
| 07:01.31 | mumperer | Leeds! Hiya - things cool in HK? |
| 07:01.46 | Leeds | yeah, but should be warmer after the weekend |
| 07:01.53 | Leeds | how about London? |
| 07:02.18 | mumperer | Showery threatens - but warmish. |
| 07:03.19 | mumperer | Leeds: can you access/see a Channel 4 show? Last night's the Global Heating Swindle, or some such? |
| 07:05.21 | mumperer | The elementary physics threw a banana skin under the whole eco--bandwagon, thinks I. |
| 07:06.33 | mumperer | Leeds; just a thought - weren't you, in recent dim past, the guy who volunteered to see me through getting my scanner working one Sunday? |
| 07:06.59 | Leeds | I can access - can't get broadcasts, of course... |
| 07:07.18 | Leeds | I don't really remember that, but it could have happened... depends on how recent/dim the past you're talking about |
| 07:08.41 | mumperer | Sorry - don't let's us compare memories! I'll cross it off my subliminals for ease of progress! :-P |
| 07:09.17 | Leeds | are you recommending that I watch that show? |
| 07:09.41 | Leeds | heh |
| 07:10.01 | mumperer | Leeds: very much so. But keep your cold logic well chilled. |
| 07:11.20 | mumperer | As i understood it, CO2 ain't the villain - nor we humans. just the sun. |
| 07:12.53 | Leeds | don't see it on my usual source of UK TV |
| 07:13.10 | mumperer | Which is? |
| 07:13.15 | Leeds | uknova.com |
| 07:13.28 | mumperer | No clue - sorry. |
| 07:13.40 | Leeds | I'll keep an eye out for it... |
| 07:14.09 | mumperer | Way to go - i must away for now, be happy!. |
| 07:14.20 | Leeds | have fun |
| 07:14.43 | morsing | mumperer! |
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| 07:45.46 | sabinef72 | morning |
| 07:46.34 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 07:47.11 | sabinef72 | heyyyyyyyyy |
| 07:47.14 | morsing | :) |
| 07:47.18 | sabinef72 | don't touch my nose |
| 07:47.21 | morsing | :( |
| 07:47.24 | sabinef72 | it's hurting because my cold |
| 07:47.27 | morsing | :( |
| 07:47.40 | sabinef72 | I used to much tissues |
| 07:47.42 | sabinef72 | ah ah |
| 07:47.46 | Leeds | "too many" |
| 07:48.01 | sabinef72 | arg |
| 07:48.10 | sabinef72 | why not "much" ? |
| 07:48.14 | morsing | sabinef72: Carly said I could make a copy of her nose with this: |
| 07:48.14 | morsing | http://www.bodybitz.com.au/ |
| 07:48.24 | morsing | To pull when she's not around |
| 07:48.26 | morsing | :) |
| 07:49.10 | sabinef72 | lol |
| 07:49.20 | Leeds | sabinef72: in general, I'd say "many" is for something you can count individuals of, while "much" is a vaguer 'amount' |
| 07:49.27 | morsing | sabinef72: When you have -s on something it's a number, so always many |
| 07:49.36 | Leeds | so "too many tissues", "too much tissue paper" |
| 07:50.12 | sabinef72 | ok I will try to remember that morsing |
| 07:50.18 | sabinef72 | thank you so much men |
| 07:52.53 | morsing | :) |
| 07:56.34 | sabinef72 | the weather is all shit this morning :-( |
| 07:58.40 | gw280 | so my computer is now non-functional |
| 07:58.42 | gw280 | it doesn't boot. |
| 07:58.43 | gw280 | woohoo. |
| 07:58.54 | gw280 | I also lost 130GB of raided data due to linux software raid fuckage |
| 08:03.51 | Leeds | gw280: that's what you get for running KDE |
| 08:04.05 | gw280 | Leeds: you tard. |
| 08:09.36 | morsing | KDE sucks |
| 08:10.42 | sabinef72 | lol |
| 08:10.44 | sabinef72 | http://fr.news.yahoo.com/08032007/202/sanction-pour-une-grand-mere-anglaise-qui-cuisinait-au-cannabis.html |
| 08:11.01 | sabinef72 | that's the story of an old woman who always cooks with cannabis ! |
| 08:11.13 | sabinef72 | she is living in London |
| 08:12.12 | morsing | :) |
| 08:12.31 | Leeds | French really isn't a hard language to guess |
| 08:15.19 | sabinef72 | :-) |
| 08:17.47 | clive-h | She lives in Carlisle it says |
| 08:18.02 | clive-h | That's a long way from London |
| 08:18.31 | sabinef72 | ahhhh |
| 08:19.03 | morsing | Only about 700 km :) |
| 08:19.27 | clive-h | A long way for the uk anyway |
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| 08:22.54 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 08:25.51 | goibhniu | morsing!! |
| 08:31.37 | Leeds | someone in the office is being given a lesson in how to design a website in frames - because the customer demands it... |
| 08:31.58 | Leeds | before the lesson starts, a bottle of tequila has been put on the desk, for when it's needed :-) |
| 08:32.14 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 08:48.26 | morsing | sabinef72? |
| 08:50.17 | sabinef72 | yep ? |
| 08:50.39 | morsing | How are you this morning? |
| 08:50.57 | sabinef72 | I'm ok waiting my xray in one hour |
| 08:55.29 | morsing | Nice |
| 08:55.37 | morsing | And you'll post the photos? |
| 08:56.38 | sabinef72 | yes I'll give them to benoit because at work he has a scann |
| 09:04.38 | Leeds | I'm tired... |
| 09:17.50 | Leeds | so I'm going home for a nap... |
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| 09:25.57 | morsing | asht_007! |
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| 10:05.09 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 10:06.46 | morsing | Why does this remove the first entry? |
| 10:06.47 | morsing | if ( ! mysql_fetch_array($result) ) { echo "No results found<br>"; exit; } |
| 10:06.53 | morsing | What else can I do? |
| 10:07.23 | Leeds | that's not python |
| 10:08.01 | morsing | Cool |
| 10:11.12 | antiphase | Surely you should be testing $result, and not the return value of the function |
| 10:11.29 | antiphase | OR maybe I don't know enough about rubbish languages ;) |
| 10:14.21 | morsing | antiphase: Tell me how to |
| 10:15.15 | morsing | http://www.morsing.cc/billed.php?STED=BMW_635CSi |
| 10:23.31 | antiphase | I'm only a Linux sysadmin, I couldn't possibly help an AIX expert |
| 10:25.40 | morsing | Twat |
| 10:46.56 | hali | haha |
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| 10:59.21 | goibhniu | morsing: did you buy a nice nose clipper? |
| 11:00.12 | goibhniu | my old one, that I bought in china, finally packed it in when I was half way through on tuesday |
| 11:00.47 | morsing | goibhniu: Huh? I did actually and he was really happy with it. Why do you ask and how do you even remember? |
| 11:01.07 | morsing | Remington. Only £8 as well |
| 11:01.15 | goibhniu | morsing: I take notes |
| 11:02.03 | goibhniu | morsing: ok ... I had a reminton once and it was shite ... but it's good to know |
| 11:03.45 | bilarh | i thought remington was the brand to have |
| 11:04.04 | bilarh | i have some phillips shaver now and it's quite poo |
| 11:04.11 | bilarh | it pulls the straws out rather than cuts them off |
| 11:04.26 | bilarh | and i even manage to cut myself with it :) |
| 11:04.52 | bilarh | so, it's turned out that it's less painful to shave once a week with a normal blade type thingy |
| 11:04.55 | bilarh | less cuts |
| 11:04.59 | bilarh | and my face is smooth as a babies bum |
| 11:05.06 | bilarh | well, for about 2-3 hours at least |
| 11:05.30 | bilarh | if i'm feeling extra special on saturday morning i sometimes shave for the weekend |
| 11:05.40 | goibhniu | I usually buy the cheapest piece of shit I can find ... and they're generally good for a couple of years ... someone else usually breaks them tho |
| 11:06.40 | bilarh | mine was a john lewis 150 quid jobbie, but it still sucks |
| 11:06.54 | bilarh | but maybe that's cheap as shit when it comes to razors :) |
| 11:07.11 | goibhniu | I had a philips beard shaver once ... and it was also utter shite ... I gave up on shaving .. shiney faces are for women aren't they? |
| 11:07.22 | bilarh | exactly |
| 11:07.32 | bilarh | i keep telling my wife this, but she just doesn't get it |
| 11:08.24 | bilarh | on a separate note, i can't believe i just spent more than three hours in traffic |
| 11:08.27 | goibhniu | you know maggie thatcher wanted to outlaw beards from the house of parliament |
| 11:08.35 | bilarh | wtf, fascist!! |
| 11:09.10 | bilarh | right up hali's alley :) |
| 11:09.30 | goibhniu | hali are you a nazi? |
| 11:11.16 | goibhniu | or is he just the usual anti-beard anti-foxhunting pro-war liberal-fascist? |
| 11:12.19 | goibhniu | bilarh: 3 hrs on the tube? |
| 11:12.33 | bilarh | liberal fascist, now there's an oxymoron :) |
| 11:12.35 | bilarh | nah in the car |
| 11:12.44 | bilarh | i had to take it to the bodyshop |
| 11:12.48 | goibhniu | I must say I'm impressed with the trains over here ... they always tell you exactly why they're late |
| 11:13.16 | bilarh | after some f<bleeep> t<bleep> drove into the f<bleep> back of me in a <bleep bleep bleep> carpark |
| 11:13.25 | bilarh | hehe yeah |
| 11:13.42 | goibhniu | the other day on the way home there was a fire in the engine room of the train, then the driver was late in reading ... then they couldn't get a place on the platform in paddington ... actually there were more delays too on the way :D |
| 11:14.17 | bilarh | "severe delays on the <branch you want to take> branch of the district line due to signal failure on the northern line" |
| 11:14.19 | goibhniu | bilarh: can't you just cover it with tyres like us cyclists do? |
| 11:14.47 | bilarh | well, the fire is acceptable i suppose |
| 11:15.08 | bilarh | on the other hand, you'd probably find that it was actually a bbq if you looked into it |
| 11:15.37 | bilarh | oh and yesterday my wife cleverly reversed the car into a pole too |
| 11:15.38 | goibhniu | I really trust them now tho ... I'd say they'd even tell you if it was a bbq |
| 11:15.39 | bilarh | the new one, that is |
| 11:16.05 | bilarh | yeah probably, they've completely lost respect for our feelings now :) |
| 11:16.35 | bilarh | it's like "yeah, the train's late because i was out drinking yesterday and i couldn't be arsed to get out of bed, but what you gonna do, loser?!?!" |
| 11:16.40 | goibhniu | bilarh: just stick on some tyres ... you're sorted ... you can even bounce into pedestrians |
| 11:17.06 | bilarh | sort of like a boat with fenders? |
| 11:17.09 | bilarh | that might work |
| 11:17.16 | bilarh | i could even have different coloured ones |
| 11:17.23 | bilarh | pink and blue, i think |
| 11:17.26 | goibhniu | yeah ... I'd certainly get out of the way if I saw you coming |
| 11:18.09 | bilarh | i've heard it's rather unpleasant |
| 11:18.13 | bilarh | unless it's a bumper car |
| 11:18.20 | bilarh | but then that might be quite unpleasant as well |
| 11:19.27 | bilarh | i wonder if people realize that when they walk across to the bumper cars, they're actually walking on one of the electrodes for the car engine :) |
| 11:19.40 | bilarh | well, don't do that |
| 11:20.15 | bilarh | if you do that, you can't get past the line of traffic i'm sitting in and then sit in front of my car when it turns green, the road ahead is completely empty apart from a cyclist doing 5mph in the middle of the road :) |
| 11:20.30 | bilarh | almost sounds like a rant, that :P |
| 11:20.31 | hali | goibhniu: im very much pro foxhunting.. great tradition |
| 11:20.47 | goibhniu | bilarh: I'd be decorated in christmas lights of course |
| 11:21.07 | goibhniu | hali: good one ... you're ok then |
| 11:21.10 | bilarh | and the cables would get caught in my wheels as i ran you over :( |
| 11:21.34 | bilarh | why can't they just build bloody cycle lanes? it would be better for everyone |
| 11:21.40 | hali | goibhniu: but im generally pro-war, at least very pro-army |
| 11:21.51 | hali | but liberal? no |
| 11:22.03 | hali | i don't even like jeans without back pockets |
| 11:22.18 | goibhniu | hali: liberal-fascist? |
| 11:22.29 | hali | more conservative-weirdo |
| 11:22.32 | goibhniu | hali: freedom through oppression? |
| 11:22.41 | bilarh | being pro-war doesn't exactly make you liberal |
| 11:22.47 | bilarh | although it doesn't make you anti-liberal either :) |
| 11:22.51 | hali | i'm in favor of good crowd controll yes |
| 11:23.13 | hali | thatcher knew how to deal with things |
| 11:23.23 | goibhniu | hali: how do you shave? |
| 11:23.28 | bilarh | yeah, those lazy miners! |
| 11:23.34 | bilarh | they should be happy they still have a job! |
| 11:23.36 | bilarh | oh :( |
| 11:23.44 | hali | goibhniu: yes, every morning at 7.55 on the dot |
| 11:24.08 | hali | goibhniu: thats probably the only thing you got right there... im very anti-beards :) |
| 11:24.17 | bilarh | i hate shaving |
| 11:24.25 | bilarh | it's a complete waste of time |
| 11:24.33 | bilarh | have you ever seen a cave man without a beard? |
| 11:24.51 | bilarh | didn't think so... having a beard is the natural order of things, it's just social convention that tells us we have to shave |
| 11:25.03 | bilarh | plus, a big beard is an excellent food container |
| 11:25.10 | bilarh | if you have a beard and you eat something |
| 11:25.19 | hali | im a facist in that sense, i tend to look down on people who doesn't take care of themselves... people who look like proper hobos.. like pikeys :) |
| 11:25.23 | goibhniu | so ... anti-beard pro-foxhunting pro-war liberal-fascist? |
| 11:25.23 | bilarh | you can pick bits and pieces out of the beard for hours after if you fancy a nibble |
| 11:26.13 | goibhniu | oh .. more like ... anti-beard pro-foxhunting pro-war fascist? |
| 11:26.54 | goibhniu | i agree with fox hunting of course ... and war is good as long as it kills all the humans involved |
| 11:26.59 | hali | goibhniu: until i release the halism doctrine facism is probably quite close |
| 11:26.59 | bilarh | really, though, what's wrong with looking like a pikey? |
| 11:27.07 | bilarh | i often go out in a hoodie |
| 11:27.18 | bilarh | the hoodie doesn't cause behaviour |
| 11:27.37 | hali | guns don't kill people |
| 11:28.04 | goibhniu | bilarh: unless you see someone cleanly shaven and well dressed ... I find it hard to contain myself anyway |
| 11:28.05 | bilarh | exactly |
| 11:28.32 | bilarh | goibhniu: hmm... how do you mean? |
| 11:31.28 | goibhniu | bilarh: I mean ... you're in the super market to stock up on frozen pizzas and some shiney face wanker in a suit skips the queue because he's only buying a gammon steak ... you're gonna at least consider mugging him in the car park ... right? |
| 11:31.50 | bilarh | goibhniu: yeah, but not because he's wearing a suit :) |
| 11:31.56 | bilarh | and not because i'm in a hoodie :) |
| 11:32.08 | bilarh | i'd probably key his car to be honest |
| 11:32.25 | hali | swedish people are very strict about skipping queues... we tend to kill people for that |
| 11:32.39 | bilarh | yeah, i was gonna say i might stab him :) |
| 11:32.41 | goibhniu | bilarh: but if you were a shiney faced suit wearer ... you might empathise |
| 11:32.49 | bilarh | no i wouldn't |
| 11:32.49 | hali | but since he is well shaven and wears a suite we might be ok with a good stabbin' |
| 11:33.05 | bilarh | i used to have to wear a shiney suit to work, and it still fucked me off when tossers in suits jumped queues :) |
| 11:33.13 | hali | who buys frozen pizza anyway?! |
| 11:33.31 | hali | i really like waitrose "fresh" pizza |
| 11:33.40 | bilarh | oh was it a fresh one |
| 11:33.41 | hali | bilarh: did not, it was fresh |
| 11:33.42 | hali | yep |
| 11:33.50 | bilarh | oh whatever, it was nice anyway :) |
| 11:34.09 | hali | yep, best supermarket pizzas no questions |
| 11:34.18 | bilarh | a hoodie maketh not a stabber |
| 11:34.22 | goibhniu | dutch people skip queues like it's some kind of sport |
| 11:34.56 | hali | how rude |
| 11:37.23 | bilarh | goibhniu: it's a little known fact that the netherlands were invaded by sweden in the 17th century for that very reason |
| 11:38.26 | bilarh | the war of 1635 was in fact sparked as a dutch sailor jumped the queue in a seamans pub |
| 11:38.36 | bilarh | an angry swedish mob gathered and lynched him |
| 11:38.47 | bilarh | holland of course had to retaliate, and the rest is history |
| 11:38.56 | bilarh | the swedish king even died in that war |
| 11:39.02 | bilarh | gustav adolf, his name was |
| 11:39.14 | bilarh | and all because some dutch sailor was too eager to get a pint :( |
| 11:42.16 | hali | hm, gustav adolf died in 1632 though |
| 11:43.03 | bilarh | oh, i was only out by 3 years :) |
| 11:43.29 | bilarh | apart from the year, it's all true, honest! |
| 11:45.23 | goibhniu | bilarh: I'd believe you even if it wasn't true |
| 11:46.13 | hali | i may have been the triggering factor |
| 11:46.42 | bilarh | was you born in 1632? |
| 11:46.46 | hali | but as far as i know the dutch started the war (the only war i know of between sweden and the dutch was in 1658) |
| 11:46.58 | bilarh | ah, it's all a pack of lies |
| 11:47.08 | bilarh | that's what i said |
| 11:47.10 | hali | and that was the dutch invervention to the nordic wars |
| 11:47.14 | bilarh | the dutch had to retaliate |
| 11:47.17 | bilarh | no no no |
| 11:47.18 | bilarh | it's all wrong |
| 11:51.05 | goibhniu | bilarh: stop filling my head with muck ... I'll just have to try to forget everything to do with sweden and the netherlands now |
| 11:51.53 | bilarh | just think that every time you hear about sweden or the netherlands now and in the future, you will recall this conversation :) |
| 11:52.28 | bilarh | you will tell your grand children about this crazy old thing called IRC you used to do when you were younger |
| 11:52.52 | hali | bilarh: first thing i'll do when im put in a retirement home is to set up an irc server :) |
| 11:52.56 | bilarh | but only when there's a holland - england game or sweden - england game (which will end in a draw) on tv |
| 11:53.08 | hali | i hope there will be some ipv9 compatible irc server :) |
| 11:53.25 | goibhniu | yeah ... I was thinking that too ... the old folks home is gonna rock! |
| 11:54.01 | goibhniu | lots of grumpy people flaming one another |
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| 12:02.10 | bilarh | goibhniu: so business as usual then :P |
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| 12:05.01 | dick_turpin | ibot: wake everyone up |
| 12:05.03 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on everyone up and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 12:05.12 | bilarh | you bastard |
| 12:05.16 | bilarh | i'm soaking now |
| 12:05.36 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Wanna buy a towel? |
| 12:06.41 | bilarh | i always carry my own towerl |
| 12:06.43 | bilarh | towel |
| 12:07.07 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Bugger thats another potential sale gone pear shaped |
| 12:07.32 | bilarh | well, as i had my own towel already, i wasn't a potential sale in the first place :) |
| 12:08.09 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Ah but you might have wanted to upgrade |
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| 12:53.00 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 12:58.21 | wethrin | morsing: I'm just going to lunch |
| 12:59.49 | morsing | Nice |
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| 14:02.48 | mumperer | Hi |
| 14:06.31 | morsing | mumperer! |
| 14:08.11 | mumperer | morsing! |
| 14:27.27 | *** part/#gllug dick_turpin (n=dick_tur@host217-34-163-21.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 14:56.14 | wethrin | arr |
| 15:05.42 | *** join/#gllug mozrat (i=mozrat@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org) |
| 15:06.33 | mumperer | Very much Hi, mozrat! |
| 15:08.20 | mumperer | Long time no see, sir. :) |
| 15:08.58 | morsing | mozzie?!?!?!?!? |
| 15:09.11 | morsing | Oh mozzieee :( |
| 15:09.59 | mumperer | Omigawd |
| 15:10.25 | *** join/#gllug dick_turpin (n=dick_tur@host217-34-163-21.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 15:11.02 | dick_turpin | bwaa haa haa |
| 15:11.54 | wethrin | mozzie! |
| 15:12.05 | morsing | http://www.morsing.cc/photos/mozzies.jpg |
| 15:12.17 | morsing | mozrat? |
| 15:12.31 | wethrin | It's all full of Richards! |
| 15:13.53 | morsing | Richards? |
| 15:14.13 | wethrin | Yes. Plus a Paul |
| 15:14.16 | wethrin | But mostly Richards |
| 15:14.43 | dick_turpin | ibot smack goibhniu |
| 15:14.44 | ibot | ACTION smacks goibhniu upside the head. |
| 15:15.37 | *** part/#gllug mumperer (n=don@rose963.demon.co.uk) |
| 15:15.57 | mozrat | Hello! |
| 15:16.05 | mozrat | how is it going? |
| 15:16.33 | dick_turpin | mozrat: Long time no speak |
| 15:16.44 | mozrat | hey dick_turpin |
| 15:16.45 | sabinef72 | hello |
| 15:16.49 | mozrat | Sabby! |
| 15:16.49 | sabinef72 | mozrat !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:17.12 | dick_turpin | mozrat: Have you just been released from prison? |
| 15:17.30 | mozrat | dick_turpin: just escaped, don't tell the rozzers |
| 15:17.58 | dick_turpin | mozrat: I can sell you a new identity? |
| 15:18.08 | mozrat | :) |
| 15:18.27 | morsing | wethrin: Why did rhowe ignore my reply on gllug-social? |
| 15:18.42 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 15:18.56 | morsing | mozrat: What did you think of the mozzie sign? |
| 15:19.07 | mozrat | morsing: very good :D |
| 15:20.14 | morsing | mozrat: How are you? |
| 15:20.29 | wethrin | morsing: I don't know! |
| 15:20.35 | mozrat | good thanks, In Amsterdam today |
| 15:20.36 | mozrat | for work |
| 15:20.41 | morsing | ibot beat rhowe |
| 15:20.43 | ibot | ACTION beats rhowe with a very wet, sticky noodle |
| 15:20.56 | wethrin | morsing: Because your reply was content-free |
| 15:21.13 | dick_turpin | mozrat: work? bank job? |
| 15:22.19 | wethrin | Off to work! |
| 15:24.54 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Oi |
| 15:25.04 | goibhniu | dick_turpin! |
| 15:25.30 | morsing | wethrin: Was it? |
| 15:25.35 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Kin ell getting hold of you is like trying to see the pope! |
| 15:26.13 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Pent up mail aggression? |
| 15:26.21 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: work |
| 15:26.39 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: What you work in demolition? |
| 15:28.34 | dick_turpin | I can see I may have to get the bucket of water out again |
| 15:28.43 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: I'm trying to stop stuff from being sucked into a black hole |
| 15:29.04 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Stop sitting on it then :-P |
| 15:31.40 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: 1. Nobody in the entire world is interested in my idea. 2. My site has more stuff on it. 3. I'm stuck here all alone with a 16 year old girl! |
| 15:36.46 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: get her to implement it |
| 15:37.05 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: young people have no idea how difficult things are |
| 15:37.11 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I'm too scared to speak to her |
| 15:37.39 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: send her an sms |
| 15:38.43 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: You must be jocking we've already had one case here with an engineer and one of my telesales girls (both gone now) |
| 15:53.46 | *** part/#gllug dick_turpin (n=dick_tur@host217-34-163-21.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 16:08.32 | wethrin | morsing: Yes |
| 16:19.12 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 16:43.16 | morsing | hello? |
| 16:55.30 | hali | bilarh: up for a beer you lazy git? |
| 16:56.28 | bilarh | nope, i'm driving today |
| 16:56.49 | hali | ah, right |
| 16:56.57 | hali | so another 3 hours in traffic then :) |
| 16:56.57 | bilarh | and i'm not leaving until 8pm :-\ |
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| 17:21.25 | eeeyore | I know this is a long shot but anyone know of a hosting company which is not too expensive. I have some software that needs to download 4-5 terrabytes a month |
| 17:26.28 | z00dax | eeeyore: doing what ? and what proto ? |
| 17:26.52 | eeeyore | scanning bits of the net, blogs mainly |
| 17:26.55 | eeeyore | http |
| 17:27.08 | eeeyore | it's all inbound, very little outbound |
| 17:27.14 | hali | eeeyore: rapidswitch/49pence is quite good |
| 17:27.27 | z00dax | we regularly do maybe 5 times that, but we do it over 40 machines spread fairly thin all over the place |
| 17:27.28 | eeeyore | doesn't have to be all that reliable |
| 17:27.39 | hali | http://www.49pence.com/ |
| 17:27.50 | eeeyore | we can split it over multiple machines |
| 17:28.10 | z00dax | eeeyore: get 5 machines from dedibox.fr, £100 a month, sorted |
| 17:28.15 | eeeyore | although we don't need to |
| 17:28.22 | z00dax | you can do a terra a month/machine |
| 17:28.23 | eeeyore | i runs fine on 1 dual core machine |
| 17:28.54 | eeeyore | The problem i find is that a lot of companies, say unlimited inbound, or 4 TB |
| 17:28.59 | hali | eeeyore: you get a dual core machine and 10mbit uncapped from 49pence for abour 90pm |
| 17:29.09 | eeeyore | but in realitiy they either kick you off OR the bandwidth is heavily contended |
| 17:29.14 | eeeyore | and you struggle to get 1TB |
| 17:29.25 | eeeyore | hmm will look at that |
| 17:29.36 | z00dax | eeeyore: dedibox does not have that problem, they have a few GigE connections into their facility |
| 17:32.05 | z00dax | the pricing for 49pence seems very interesting |
| 17:32.10 | z00dax | hali: do you host something there ? |
| 17:32.13 | eeeyore | dedibox site is in french |
| 17:32.17 | eeeyore | and my french sucks |
| 17:32.19 | hali | z00dax: we have a mail relay box there |
| 17:32.40 | hali | z00dax: and a friend of mine has got 4 boxes for his website |
| 17:33.01 | z00dax | eeeyore: i thnk you also need to have an account in .fr to pay them |
| 17:33.05 | z00dax | they dont accept CC |
| 17:33.18 | eeeyore | okay that's out |
| 17:33.49 | z00dax | bust most banks in the .uk will gladly open an extetion account for you in .fr with thier own branch or their associate bank there |
| 17:33.56 | z00dax | hsbc are good for things like that |
| 17:34.26 | z00dax | btw guys, i am looking for a cheap but functional and wont fall apart 1 U box |
| 17:34.48 | eeeyore | Too much hassle, i really want to try a place out for say £200 for a month to make sure it's not heavily contended |
| 17:35.10 | bilarh | hmm, what kind of server can you run at 0.5A? :) |
| 17:35.18 | hali | z00dax: dell sc1435 perhaps... you can get a good discount if you call and whine about how tight your budget is :) |
| 17:35.27 | cpufreak | T1000 ? |
| 17:35.38 | bilarh | anything cheaper? :) |
| 17:35.43 | z00dax | cpufreak: dude, you took that awwway from me.. i was jussssssssssssst going to say that.. |
| 17:35.47 | cpufreak | :) |
| 17:35.55 | cpufreak | bilarh: just rent a server from hetzner.de |
| 17:35.57 | cpufreak | www.hetzner.de |
| 17:36.43 | z00dax | I had a box with them for a while, the network isnt bad - but there are a few script kiddies on their network who keep trying to sync flood everyone else and they keep finding spammers in their network so its not uncommong to have the entire subnet blocked by some rbl somewhere or the other |
| 17:36.56 | z00dax | apart from that, hetzner were fine, very cheap and the network is decent |
| 17:37.06 | z00dax | hali: what ? from dell.co.uk direct ? |
| 17:37.20 | z00dax | hali: they dont like talking servers to personal non-biz buyers :( |
| 17:37.24 | hali | z00dax: yes.. but don't take the prices on the website to hard.. they are quite flexible |
| 17:37.25 | cpufreak | I've had no issues with my box there |
| 17:37.30 | hali | z00dax: hm.. thats odd |
| 17:37.46 | hali | z00dax: is refurbs good enough? |
| 17:37.48 | bilarh | cool, hetzner don't seem too expensive |
| 17:37.51 | z00dax | worksforme |
| 17:38.01 | z00dax | bilarh: they just hiked prices by 25% or something |
| 17:38.26 | hali | z00dax: www.serversource.co.uk ... call them up, they have more or less nothing on the website |
| 17:38.46 | z00dax | hali: cool, i wonder if they will be around on Fri at 5:40pm |
| 17:39.02 | hali | z00dax: they have a huge stock of old poweredge 1850's ... starting at around 650 |
| 17:39.13 | cpufreak | bilarh: do you just want a 1U server? |
| 17:39.24 | bilarh | ibot: change 49 eur to gbp |
| 17:39.38 | cpufreak | I've got a 1U 2.6GHz P4, 1gb ram, 2x80gig ide, 3ware raid1 card spare |
| 17:39.40 | bilarh | cpufreak: well, i was thinking of turning off my server at home |
| 17:39.46 | cpufreak | oh |
| 17:39.54 | cpufreak | hetzner block tcp/6667 which may affect you |
| 17:40.04 | bilarh | cpufreak: ah, that kind of sucks :P |
| 17:40.05 | cpufreak | although I think freenode listen on other prots too |
| 17:40.11 | bilarh | i need efnet also |
| 17:40.14 | z00dax | cpufreak: i am looking for just a machine |
| 17:40.23 | z00dax | use an irc proxy somewhere |
| 17:40.30 | bilarh | i think my friend has a 1u box somewhere |
| 17:40.30 | cpufreak | efnet listen on multiple ports too |
| 17:40.37 | bilarh | as in, he just pays for the space and supplies his own machine |
| 17:40.42 | bilarh | it's somewhere in docklands |
| 17:40.47 | bilarh | possibly something called red bus :) |
| 17:40.57 | SlayerXP | redbus is a hosting centre, yes |
| 17:41.03 | cpufreak | andym@rewind:~$ telnet !$ 6668 |
| 17:41.03 | cpufreak | telnet efnet.demon.co.uk 6668 |
| 17:41.03 | cpufreak | Trying 194.159.164.195... |
| 17:41.03 | cpufreak | Connected to efnet.demon.co.uk. |
| 17:41.03 | cpufreak | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 17:41.03 | cpufreak | NOTICE AUTH :*** Processing connection to efnet.demon.co.uk |
| 17:41.05 | cpufreak | NOTICE AUTH :*** Looking up your hostname... |
| 17:41.07 | cpufreak | NOTICE AUTH :*** Checking Ident |
| 17:41.09 | cpufreak | NOTICE AUTH :*** No Ident response |
| 17:41.11 | cpufreak | NOTICE AUTH :*** Found your hostname |
| 17:41.18 | cpufreak | bilarh: recommendations for collocation |
| 17:41.24 | bilarh | *spam* *spam* |
| 17:41.25 | z00dax | flood! |
| 17:41.25 | cpufreak | are: |
| 17:41.39 | cpufreak | blackcat www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk |
| 17:41.43 | cpufreak | bogons - www.bogons.net |
| 17:41.47 | cpufreak | jump www.jump.net.uk |
| 17:42.08 | bilarh | ah, actually thinking about it, i could probably get away with one of those virtual jobbies |
| 17:42.09 | z00dax | hosting in the UK is way too expensive |
| 17:42.18 | bilarh | i just need it to run a dovecot and a LAMP really |
| 17:42.19 | eeeyore | it is |
| 17:42.30 | bilarh | cpufreak: do we block 6667 rom the office? |
| 17:42.33 | cpufreak | yes |
| 17:42.38 | bilarh | cpufreak: ah :P |
| 17:42.49 | cpufreak | read your internet @work policy |
| 17:42.53 | cpufreak | irc isn't permitted |
| 17:42.58 | bilarh | ouch :P |
| 17:43.07 | bilarh | seems they'll have to fire the whole unix department :) |
| 17:43.47 | bilarh | that is so rubbish though, it's cool to be able to ask for help on irc if you're stuck and can't find anything on google |
| 17:44.27 | cpufreak | also fun to call people names and insult others :) |
| 17:44.44 | bilarh | yeah, that's the real reason of course :P |
| 17:44.56 | bilarh | the "work" thing was just a justification that *might* be acceptable to PHB's |
| 17:45.10 | bilarh | i need to move my car |
| 17:48.18 | hali | bilarh: i guess you can use emma and lina as well.. no dovecot but i think wector installed courier |
| 17:48.37 | hali | and there is a "lamp" installed |
| 17:48.46 | hali | with postgresql as well of course, since mysql is so broken |
| 17:49.50 | z00dax | do you guys all work at the same place now ? |
| 17:50.54 | hali | not me |
| 17:50.54 | hali | but i've known bilarh since school :) |
| 17:50.54 | hali | and bilarh and cpufreak work together i think |
| 17:50.55 | z00dax | ah |
| 17:51.33 | hali | emma and line are two of my ex's whom i've named my two coloboxes after :) |
| 17:51.51 | z00dax | you need to get out a bit more |
| 17:51.56 | z00dax | and meet more human beings |
| 17:52.09 | hali | tell me something i didn't know ;) |
| 17:53.05 | hali | to be honest that was a few years ago... |
| 17:53.22 | z00dax | i still think you need to get out a bit more |
| 17:53.34 | z00dax | dont think we've ever met |
| 17:53.37 | hali | now im almost a borderline alcoholic ... i know most pub staff in soho on a first name bases |
| 17:53.49 | z00dax | btw, server*.co* guys are not answering phone, will try monday morning |
| 17:54.12 | z00dax | its usually the people who are not the staff who are good to know |
| 18:04.25 | bilarh | brr, it's cold outside |
| 18:07.13 | hali | hm, the city is going straight to hell |
| 18:07.22 | hali | there are more sybase related jobs than oracle related |
| 18:07.40 | bilarh | queue Crash-of-2007 :P |
| 18:07.50 | bilarh | I successfully traded on the ftse today |
| 18:08.00 | bilarh | profit of 2.70 GBP :P |
| 18:08.10 | bilarh | i should become a day trader |
| 18:08.21 | bilarh | jack this unix malarky in :) |
| 18:08.24 | hali | the 3% yearly growth rate of london is expected to increase over the next 3 year |
| 18:09.11 | bilarh | money's too cheap |
| 18:09.17 | bilarh | once the carry trade ends, there will be carnage |
| 18:09.33 | hali | you've been saying that for a few years now |
| 18:09.40 | bilarh | no i haven't |
| 18:09.46 | hali | i think we are quite sorted |
| 18:09.47 | bilarh | this is purely related to stock markets |
| 18:10.09 | bilarh | and mortgages, i guess |
| 18:12.15 | hali | and we need a new sybase sparc server... this e250 is driving me mad! :) |
| 18:12.33 | hali | a db load takes about 3 hours... it's under 15 mins on the quad core xeon box |
| 18:12.41 | z00dax | bilarh: if you really want to work the markets, you eed to trace on some of the growing markets. not dead end markets like london |
| 18:12.54 | z00dax | try some of the south american or asian markets |
| 18:13.18 | bilarh | z00dax: ah, no i just bet in and out of the ftse intraday movements :) |
| 18:13.31 | bilarh | i usually manage to cream off about 10-15% of my bet capital |
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| 18:14.04 | z00dax- | is that 10% / day ? |
| 18:14.06 | bilarh | 8:13 < bilarh> z00dax: ah, no i just bet in and out of the ftse intraday movements :) |
| 18:14.09 | bilarh | 18:13 < bilarh> i usually manage to cream off about 10-15% of my bet capital |
| 18:14.15 | bilarh | oh, yeah, but it's obviously very high risk :) |
| 18:14.29 | bilarh | i usually lose out in a big way every 7-8 days too :) |
| 18:14.29 | z00dax- | whats the rick ratio like ? |
| 18:14.39 | bilarh | i have no idea, i'm not a trader really |
| 18:14.45 | bilarh | i just place small bets for fun |
| 18:14.45 | z00dax- | if i give you £1000, can you gurantee me a 8% daily return ? |
| 18:14.59 | bilarh | to give you some perspective, i place 2 pound bets, because they're the smallest allowed :) |
| 18:15.02 | bilarh | no, of course not |
| 18:15.09 | z00dax- | humm :) |
| 18:15.21 | z00dax- | £2 bets prolly cost you more in time and energy and resources than actual value |
| 18:15.23 | bilarh | it's just to break the boredoom at work :) |
| 18:15.28 | bilarh | yeah of course :) |
| 18:15.35 | bilarh | not in it for the money :) |
| 18:15.44 | z00dax- | open a dmat account with citibank here in the uk, get them to give you an extention account in Mumbai, india |
| 18:15.45 | bilarh | i just got this free betting money i have to lose somehow :) |
| 18:16.15 | bilarh | hmm, i don't even know what dmat stands for, so i think that'ws p |
| 18:16.19 | z00dax- | then checkin on the sensex and the mumbai markets - make sure you deal with a large bank for your dmat holinds though - i recommend icici or hdfcbank |
| 18:16.23 | bilarh | that's probably the wrong thing for me to do :) |
| 18:16.58 | z00dax- | dmat = dematerialised, essentially - all your trading happens using virtual tokens that are consolidated at the end of each day like a normal bank account would be |
| 18:17.23 | bilarh | ooh right |
| 18:17.29 | bilarh | so a bit like ishares etc? |
| 18:17.39 | z00dax- | while i was still doing that thing ( got into it by mistake ) - i ended up 520 times over my investment in 8 months |
| 18:17.53 | z00dax- | had i invested a bit more than Â$50, i might have even made some money |
| 18:18.45 | z00dax- | bilarh sort of yes, dmat is how most people prefer to trade these days, its just a lot easier than convetional stuff even if you loose 5% to the bankers |
| 18:19.28 | z00dax- | i paid off a quarter of my mortage in a year because of that $50 start.. |
| 18:19.53 | z00dax- | although, i haveto admit - i didnt do much else during those days - 6 months of that 8 was while i was off from university |
| 18:20.51 | z00dax- | i've heard such gains are still there to be had in some of the south american markets ... |
| 18:21.06 | bilarh | damn :P |
| 18:21.30 | bilarh | sounds like very high risk though :) |
| 18:21.48 | bilarh | it's all interesting stuff though, though i don't understand any of it myself |
| 18:21.54 | bilarh | i'm thinking of writing a trading bot |
| 18:22.04 | z00dax- | sort of depends, like last year the sensex in mumbai went 50% in 11 months |
| 18:22.16 | z00dax- | as long as you got in early in the ride, pretty much everything gained. |
| 18:22.31 | bilarh | yeah, it's easy to be a genius in a bull market :) |
| 18:22.36 | z00dax- | unless ofcourse you had invested in the sort of people trying to sell water to fish |
| 18:22.58 | bilarh | but to double your money a couple of times over in that market still takes luck and or skill |
| 18:23.35 | z00dax- | yeah, i got luck with Satyam, Infosys and Amrut Milk |
| 18:24.10 | z00dax- | i went 100 times in a few months, then most stock split, and again went a few times over. |
| 18:25.05 | bilarh | nice one :) |
| 18:25.39 | z00dax- | i have tried to keep up with the markets since then - but never ever invested a single penny again. ever. |
| 18:27.06 | bilarh | yeah, get out while you're on top :) |
| 18:59.37 | morsing | Moo |
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| 19:49.16 | morsing | adminjs? |
| 20:02.53 | adminjs | morsing? |
| 20:06.04 | morsing | :) |
| 20:06.12 | z00dax | adminjs: it was a trick |
| 20:08.16 | adminjs | oh really |
| 20:10.19 | z00dax | boudiccas: cant make it today, am unwell at home and generally trying to keep all my gersm to myself |
| 20:11.31 | adminjs | germs |
| 20:13.44 | z00dax | s/gersm/germs/ |
| 20:14.45 | adminjs | thanks ibot |
| 20:16.00 | rhowe | ibot change 2780 hkd to gbp |
| 20:19.02 | morsing | rhowe: Why are you ignoring me? |
| 20:20.38 | rhowe | morsing: looking at air fares |
| 20:22.23 | morsing | To Budapest? |
| 20:25.30 | rhowe | ibot change 510 cny to gbp |
| 20:28.18 | rhowe | morsing: to Chongqing |
| 20:29.05 | morsing | Nice |
| 20:52.19 | rhowe | ibot change 1350 cny to gbp |
| 20:56.18 | rhowe | ibot change 1600 cny to gbp |
| 21:01.53 | rhowe | ibot change 1540 cny to gbp |
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| 21:20.07 | cozmoz | hi guys |
| 21:20.17 | cozmoz | hi guys |
| 21:59.24 | morsing | Nice |
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| 22:36.23 | niv_one_three | hi |
| 22:36.25 | niv_one_three | I need help |
| 22:36.37 | cozmoz | hello |
| 22:36.48 | niv_one_three | I want to have a seperate x session to run vnc to a windows box |
| 22:37.08 | niv_one_three | so I may ctl+alt+f8 and get it |
| 22:37.14 | niv_one_three | just like a kvm |
| 22:37.21 | niv_one_three | how to go about this? |
| 22:37.56 | cozmoz | hmm never tried myself |
| 22:38.29 | goibhniu | niv_one_three: do you use gdm? |
| 22:39.09 | niv_one_three | no, I will if it will solve it.. |
| 22:39.17 | niv_one_three | I dont use any xdm |
| 22:39.51 | goibhniu | gdm is pretty easy to configure to get two x sessions running |
| 22:40.15 | goibhniu | and you could fire up vncviewer on one ... would that do it for ya? |
| 22:40.20 | goibhniu | I can look it up |
| 22:40.29 | niv_one_three | oh - I got no problem issuing a new xsession |
| 22:40.44 | niv_one_three | I just seek to get it vnc to a machine |
| 22:41.03 | niv_one_three | seems like a script... run by xbind .. right? |
| 22:41.18 | goibhniu | but that's the same as on any session ..or do I misunderstand? |
| 22:41.28 | goibhniu | hmm ... dunno about xbind |
| 22:41.53 | niv_one_three | well |
| 22:42.02 | niv_one_three | any idea is good for now |
| 22:42.12 | niv_one_three | may I pls habe the gdm solution? |
| 22:42.32 | goibhniu | so you can access the windows box with vncviewer ... right? |
| 22:42.45 | niv_one_three | yes |
| 22:43.49 | goibhniu | all I can tell you is how to get two gdm sessions running ... you could easily kick off vncviewer from one automatically |
| 22:44.09 | niv_one_three | how then? |
| 22:44.42 | goibhniu | ok ... gimme a minute |
| 22:45.27 | goibhniu | in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 22:45.44 | goibhniu | under [servers] |
| 22:45.57 | goibhniu | you'll have 0=Standard |
| 22:46.07 | goibhniu | just add 1=Standard as well |
| 22:46.27 | niv_one_three | 10x |
| 22:47.19 | goibhniu | :) |
| 22:47.50 | goibhniu | that'll give you a gdm login screen on vt7 and vt8 and you can choose the type of session there etc |
