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| 06:18.48 | morsing | londo_! |
| 06:27.21 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 06:33.39 | morsing | ibot wake Leeds |
| 06:33.44 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on Leeds and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 06:43.28 | morsing | Is it possible to setup a Putty short-cut to go to a specific system? |
| 06:45.40 | Leeds | yes, of course it's possible |
| 06:45.46 | morsing | How |
| 06:46.25 | Leeds | edit the shortcut |
| 06:47.02 | morsing | But edit what? |
| 06:47.08 | Leeds | lunchtime |
| 06:48.22 | morsing | *sigh* |
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| 07:01.39 | niv_one_three | Leeds: morning. Beteavon! |
| 07:03.53 | morsing | niv_one_three! |
| 07:05.51 | niv_one_three | so, I still seek a solution for a software-like-kvm |
| 07:08.02 | niv_one_three | morning! |
| 07:55.01 | niv_one_three | missing the sea :-( |
| 08:00.22 | morsing | Mmm... C |
| 08:05.01 | niv_one_three | yesterday it was a flat see and high wind |
| 08:05.09 | niv_one_three | heaven? |
| 09:02.50 | morsing | ibot wake Leeds |
| 09:03.00 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on Leeds and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
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| 09:42.13 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 09:42.27 | goibhniu | morsing! |
| 09:42.32 | morsing | Have a look at my site again |
| 09:43.06 | niv_one_three | party? |
| 09:48.15 | goibhniu | morsing: beautiful |
| 09:48.32 | goibhniu | I'd link the email address |
| 09:48.55 | goibhniu | and maybe put it all in a box |
| 09:49.31 | goibhniu | you'll need your business number on there too (when you get one) |
| 09:50.25 | goibhniu | and perhaps a little flair wouldn't hurt |
| 09:50.53 | goibhniu | who are your customers? |
| 09:51.01 | goibhniu | shiny faced nazis? |
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| 10:42.53 | morsing | asht_007! |
| 10:43.06 | morsing | goibhniu:That is my business number |
| 10:43.18 | morsing | Are you really sure that's all I need? |
| 10:43.31 | morsing | goibhniu: Flair is what I'm not good at |
| 10:43.38 | morsing | goibhniu: Banks |
| 10:43.39 | goibhniu | morsing: I mean the companies house number |
| 10:43.51 | morsing | Companies house number? |
| 10:43.59 | goibhniu | I was thinking the wording could be a little better |
| 10:44.10 | morsing | Help |
| 10:44.15 | goibhniu | when you register as a ltd company you get a number |
| 10:44.28 | goibhniu | you need to display that on everything |
| 10:44.57 | morsing | Oh... |
| 10:45.24 | goibhniu | over 8 years of experience ... doing some specific and complicated things for major banks, financial institutes etc |
| 10:45.40 | goibhniu | the large bold heading is good |
| 10:45.46 | morsing | goibhniu: Well, I figured people would ask for my CV if interested |
| 10:45.56 | goibhniu | exactly |
| 10:46.04 | goibhniu | but you want enough of a hook there |
| 10:46.15 | goibhniu | so they read it and say ... this is our kind of person |
| 10:46.31 | goibhniu | not too many details tho |
| 10:46.43 | morsing | How is it I link an email address? |
| 10:47.15 | goibhniu | just like configuring and maintaining business critical systems or something |
| 10:47.26 | goibhniu | to sound responsible |
| 10:47.47 | goibhniu | <a href="mailto:me@a.b">me</a> |
| 10:48.02 | goibhniu | you can tag a subject in there too if you wanna |
| 10:48.29 | goibhniu | maybe for the three IBM Certified Specialist bits |
| 10:48.36 | goibhniu | put them under one heading |
| 10:48.47 | goibhniu | and likewise for the two things underneath |
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| 11:11.13 | goibhniu | niv_one_three: what's the name of the memorable place I put down when setting up my bank account? |
| 11:14.33 | goibhniu | I wouldn't have been able to tell them my favourite colour or favourite type of music either |
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| 11:31.43 | adb_ | My alphas seem to be still alive without the VAXes to comfort them |
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| 12:28.34 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 12:28.49 | catalyst | morsing! |
| 12:29.14 | wethrin | I didn't get a greeting :( |
| 12:30.32 | morsing | wethrin: You suck! |
| 12:30.50 | morsing | wethrin: Whe did you even get here? |
| 12:31.18 | wethrin | 11:55 |
| 12:34.19 | morsing | Nice |
| 12:34.27 | wethrin | Help! Do I want one or two GBIC modules? |
| 12:34.47 | wethrin | That's GBIC with RJ45 connector, for copper GigE |
| 12:35.06 | wethrin | They're £16 each |
| 12:36.53 | wethrin | I need one. |
| 12:37.23 | wethrin | But two might come in handy |
| 12:37.39 | antiphase | Are they really only 16 quid? I'd buy at least 2 |
| 12:38.26 | wethrin | Cisco WS-G5483 GBIC 1000Base-T RJ45 |
| 12:38.35 | wethrin | There's two available, BIN £16 |
| 12:39.15 | wethrin | There's another one which I'm watching, which is currently at £33 with a couple of days left |
| 12:39.42 | wethrin | I need one to cascade down from my 3550(?) to my 2900XL |
| 12:40.38 | antiphase | Surely a 2900 is a shit old 10/100 jobbie |
| 12:40.41 | wethrin | I've got two Cisco Gigastack modules; unfortunately the 2900 doesn't take them |
| 12:40.48 | wethrin | Yes, but it's got 24 ports |
| 12:41.03 | wethrin | And most of my stuff is still 100Mbit |
| 12:41.14 | antiphase | I've got a 2950 under my monitor :) |
| 12:41.51 | wethrin | makes a good monitor stand? |
| 12:42.02 | antiphase | Most of our stuff at work is still 100Mb, very little need for Gigabit |
| 12:42.10 | antiphase | It gives me an extra couple of inches |
| 12:42.24 | wethrin | Does it have GBIC ports? |
| 12:42.30 | antiphase | No |
| 12:42.33 | antiphase | 24x 10/100 |
| 12:44.40 | wethrin | Have you ever used the Cisco Gigastack GBICs? |
| 12:45.25 | antiphase | I can't say I have. Someone else with clue++ does all the networking |
| 12:46.12 | antiphase | I think Claranet has the massive total of 2 copper GBICs in service, they're a bit kludgey. Everything fast is fibre for the win |
| 12:47.02 | wethrin | Fair enough. The connector on them looks like a 6-pin firewire cable, so I was wondering if a firewire cable would do, or if there's some strange pinout that means a straight-through cable can't be used |
| 12:47.15 | wethrin | I've got a couple of 3com GigE fibre cards |
| 12:47.24 | wethrin | Couldn't see that they were obviously supported in Linux, though |
| 12:48.50 | antiphase | I'd be surprised if they weren't |
| 12:49.04 | wethrin | True. They may be listed by chipset, rather than by brand |
| 12:50.15 | wethrin | So you recommend getting 2 GBICs? |
| 12:53.51 | antiphase | Dunno. There are people selling the Gigastack cables on eBay for not much |
| 12:53.54 | wethrin | I suppose then I could replace my dumb GigE switch with the managed one..... |
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| 12:55.24 | wethrin | I can't use the Gigastack things ATM - only have one switch that can take them |
| 12:55.49 | antiphase | Ah, OK. |
| 12:55.59 | wethrin | The GBICs are for the 1000baseT connectors |
| 12:56.07 | wethrin | £37 inc. delivery for two of them |
| 12:56.16 | wethrin | Good price? |
| 12:56.47 | antiphase | I'd have expected them to go for a lot more than that, I admit I've never bought one though |
| 12:57.08 | antiphase | Do you realy need Gigabit? 100Mb is quite fast, and cable is cheap :) |
| 12:57.16 | wethrin | I have GigE stuff :) |
| 12:58.30 | wethrin | And Cat5E cable isn't expensive |
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| 13:01.12 | wethrin | Froogle says £111 for the cheapest ws-g5483 |
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| 17:45.12 | goibhniu | hmm ... yahoo mail is down ... for a couple of minutes! |
| 17:45.54 | z00dax | umm.. cat guts |
| 17:59.56 | wethrin | z00dax! |
| 18:00.08 | z00dax | wethrin: ! |
| 18:00.19 | z00dax | wethrin: any news on the next meet ? |
| 18:00.20 | wethrin | Sean's not responded :( |
| 18:00.52 | z00dax | humm, I wonder if slayerXP will consider having us around, second time over |
| 18:00.59 | wethrin | On a Saturday? |
| 18:01.02 | wethrin | It'd be....different |
| 18:14.02 | z00dax | humm |
| 18:14.08 | z00dax | could we use morsing's place ? |
| 18:14.16 | z00dax | does he have a large living room ? |
| 18:14.19 | wethrin | Isn't Staines a bit far away? |
| 18:14.34 | z00dax | humm |
| 18:14.39 | wethrin | We could use Fotango, if it's available |
| 18:14.52 | z00dax | and someone will come in to open the door etc. |
| 18:15.20 | wethrin | indeed |
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| 20:35.30 | antiphase | I've never even tried to use a split window, there's too much scope for pain |
| 20:36.10 | z00dax | but its good, lets me keep an eye on a channel that i want to always have open - and yet be able to have other conversations at the same time |
| 20:45.57 | hali | ctrl-a is my friend for that |
| 20:46.12 | hali | jump to the window with the last activity |
| 20:46.30 | z00dax | hali: righ, that works - but you do still end up flipping switches |
| 20:46.32 | z00dax | and windows |
| 20:46.39 | hali | and pancacs |
| 20:46.53 | hali | pancakes* |
| 20:46.56 | z00dax | when all you really need is a window to keep an eye on - for things like new bugzilla reports, build status - fails and pass's status updates etc |
| 20:50.30 | z00dax | what is the most common Cd size these days ? |
| 20:50.36 | z00dax | 640 / 650 / 670 MB ? |
| 20:53.03 | antiphase | 700 I'd have thought |
| 20:53.27 | goibhniu | z00dax: distro size? I think 650 is the official spec but 700 is normal ... they can go to 900 but they don't really work very well |
| 20:53.32 | antiphase | I've never seen 640 or 670 |
| 20:54.17 | z00dax | 650 is right on the dot though |
| 20:54.33 | z00dax | is it usually considered ok for a distro to ship a 650MB iso ? i thought it was more like 640 |
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| 20:56.30 | antiphase | If it's genuinely within 650MB, I don't see why it would be a problem |
| 20:57.08 | antiphase | You can't get 650MB on a CD of course, because of the iso overhead |
| 20:57.21 | z00dax | how much is that ? |
| 20:57.41 | antiphase | I imagine you can write a 650MB iso image to one, so if your final image is <=650MB, you're ok. |
| 20:57.53 | antiphase | Depends if you want it bootable as well |
| 20:58.01 | antiphase | I can't say I've ever done it, so I don't know |
| 20:58.51 | antiphase | That said, I'm not sure that any major distro is that large now, because they only ship enough to get you up and running and the rest is from an online repository |
| 20:59.02 | clive-h | mkisofs has options for making it bootable |
| 20:59.19 | clive-h | and cdrecord is good for writing cds |
| 20:59.31 | z00dax | well, the centos-5-x86_64 is 7 Cd's |
| 20:59.45 | z00dax | we're trying to work out what the options are - since we cap size at 639MB |
| 21:00.05 | antiphase | Presumably you only need CD 1 to get a working system though |
| 21:00.14 | clive-h | Not with centos |
| 21:00.16 | antiphase | You could go DVD instead |
| 21:00.28 | clive-h | if you want the whole lot |
| 21:01.33 | clive-h | Grabbing the DVD if the system you install to has one would be quicker |
| 21:02.10 | z00dax | you only need cd-1 to get the system going, yes - you can do a minimal install that needs 145 rpms from cd-1 only |
| 21:02.29 | z00dax | and that gives you a working yum and a working network with sshd and about 95% of lsb as well |
| 21:02.42 | antiphase | Who would ever need more? ;) |
| 21:02.51 | z00dax | but a lot of people who install centos do so on private networks, so i'd imagine most people will want the rest |
| 21:03.10 | z00dax | antiphase: well if you want tomcat or eclipse, with a working gnome development box, i'd imagine you need more than cd-1 |
| 21:03.18 | clive-h | If you have more than 1 machine you'll want the lot |
| 21:03.21 | z00dax | there will be DVD iso's as well.. |
| 21:03.26 | z00dax | clive-h: ya |
| 21:03.46 | clive-h | I'd grab the DVD |
| 21:04.04 | z00dax | the best thing about the DVD is that you can loop mount it behind a ftp or a http server, and install off that |
| 21:04.10 | z00dax | and not have it cost you extra drive space |
| 21:05.03 | clive-h | or bandwidth |
| 21:05.21 | z00dax | and that |
| 21:05.37 | z00dax | clive-h: have you looked at the c-5beta stuff as yet ? |
| 21:05.54 | clive-h | Not yet |
| 21:41.00 | hali | floppy flopp |
| 21:58.49 | z00dax | so does anyone know and will recommend a place to host conventional Tower Servers ? |
| 21:59.10 | z00dax | or is the only way around that, to lease a 1/4th rack or something and stuff them in there ? |
| 22:00.14 | z00dax | I've got a PowerMac G4/ Alpha500u / Ultra10 that I'd really like to not have at home anymore |
| 22:00.34 | z00dax | but they do need to be available 24/7 since people, and I, are doing devel stuff on there |
| 22:01.09 | clive-h | Webtapestry house towers at Redbus MER |
| 22:04.54 | z00dax | clive-h: do you know what the prices are like ? |
| 22:06.10 | clive-h | A 1/4 rack is 400 pm or so with 2Mb transit |
| 22:07.10 | z00dax | maybe i should just get another adsl link here at home and put the machines on that |
| 22:07.23 | hali | z00dax: is it for centos? |
| 22:07.33 | z00dax | unless someone wants to sponsor me, there is no way i can afford that sort of prices |
| 22:07.51 | clive-h | They might do you a deal for OSS stuff |
| 22:08.01 | z00dax | hali: yes, and rpmforge - or what will become of rpmforge ( either CentOS-extras or TheRepo ) |
| 22:08.02 | hali | was just about to say that, lots of isp's use centos and some of them would probably consider sponsoring |
| 22:08.08 | hali | rpmforge needs a new box asap! :) |
| 22:08.19 | hali | that belgian box is flakey |
| 22:08.30 | z00dax | hali: the site and svn are running off dries's home adsl link in .be |
| 22:08.46 | hali | omg :) |
| 22:08.46 | hali | that sucks |
| 22:09.05 | z00dax | thankfully there are no pkgs behind that - apt.sw.be is on heanet.ie |
| 22:09.10 | hali | i would write some semi-official sponsor request |
| 22:09.48 | z00dax | good idea |
| 22:09.57 | hali | centos is quite a well known "brand name" these days and people like it |
| 22:10.12 | clive-h | indeed |
| 22:11.51 | z00dax | might wait for c5 to get out of the door, will have more time for this then |
| 22:16.35 | clive-h | I'll look at c5 when it ships |
| 22:19.00 | z00dax | could be about this time next week |
| 22:20.11 | clive-h | It's not really a desktop OS though |
| 22:20.55 | hali | depends on what you want to do |
| 22:21.03 | hali | we use it as a desktop os for our java developers |
| 22:21.15 | clive-h | I use Fc6 now |
| 22:22.10 | clive-h | But yes i see the point |
| 22:22.48 | clive-h | I ran gentoo boxes at $lastjob |
| 22:22.58 | clive-h | but as servers |
| 22:23.11 | hali | i ran gentoo on my pa-risc boxes, since it was the only linux distro at the time |
| 22:23.14 | hali | for pa-risc |
| 22:23.18 | hali | but that sucked |
| 22:23.30 | hali | i always get annoyed when i have to wait more than 20 seconds for something to install |
| 22:23.38 | hali | my computer is just not fast enough for gentoo |
| 22:23.46 | clive-h | I ddin't like gentoo much |
| 22:23.55 | hali | just to time consuming |
| 22:24.00 | clive-h | emerge emacs took ages |
| 22:24.04 | hali | and running untested binaries is always dodgy |
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| 22:24.20 | antiphase | Yeh, I only use it personally, I wouldn't put anything production on it |
| 22:24.28 | antiphase | That's what Ubuntu is for |
| 22:24.29 | hali | it may usable when the quad core amd's are out |
| 22:24.36 | Cope | what? |
| 22:24.49 | Cope | hello hali |
| 22:24.50 | antiphase | It's pretty nippy compiling stuff on an Athlon X2 |
| 22:24.54 | hali | hi Cope |
| 22:24.59 | Cope | evening everyone.. |
| 22:25.05 | hali | the only decent gentoo box i can imagine is a sun x4600, 32-way :) |
| 22:25.08 | Cope | hali: what's your name on linked in? |
| 22:25.22 | clive-h | I don't expect to build all my binaries |
| 22:25.24 | hali | Cope: hlinden i think |
| 22:25.31 | hali | Cope: are you a paying member? |
| 22:25.37 | Cope | no... not yet |
| 22:25.41 | Cope | not sure if it is worth while |
| 22:25.46 | Cope | thinking i t may be |
| 22:25.49 | hali | Cope: only way to add as a non-paying is by sending an invite |
| 22:25.57 | hali | Cope: invite me on hampus.linden@gmail.com |
| 22:25.59 | Cope | email? |
| 22:26.03 | Cope | yap |
| 22:26.17 | hali | i think linkedin is good, but they are a bit to greedy |
| 22:26.24 | hali | pay or die sort of |
| 22:26.53 | clive-h | For some reason that gmail address looks very Second Life |
| 22:27.12 | hali | linden labs, yes :) |
| 22:27.13 | Cope | what is "second-life" ? |
| 22:27.21 | hali | im the sole owner of that company ;) |
| 22:27.31 | clive-h | Oh right |
| 22:27.39 | hali | i wish i was |
| 22:27.51 | hali | it must be worht a bleeding fortune by now |
| 22:28.12 | Cope | s/z/s/ |
| 22:28.13 | clive-h | I know people who make a living from Second Life |
| 22:28.15 | hali | Cope: some online community thing |
| 22:28.25 | hali | Cope: in a 3d world |
| 22:28.26 | Cope | oh... do they share a post-office? |
| 22:29.04 | z00dax | heya Cope |
| 22:29.08 | Cope | w00t |
| 22:29.17 | z00dax | I am still working on my first life |
| 22:29.39 | Cope | I am fiddling with 3g card... to connect on train |
| 22:29.42 | z00dax | and this amazingly bad cold and viri that seem to have taken up residence inside my systems |
| 22:29.44 | clive-h | I had a life once then I left it on the tube |
| 22:29.52 | z00dax | Cope: best of luck! |
| 22:30.00 | Cope | Are you well enough to be in tomorroW? |
| 22:30.24 | z00dax | i will be, I want to be - its been 3 work days that I mised out on - I'm going to be too far disconnected if i dont |
| 22:30.33 | z00dax | plus, we get to see you tomorrow :) |
| 22:30.36 | Cope | rar! |
| 22:30.45 | Cope | I'll be in circa 1245 |
| 22:30.53 | z00dax | me too, about that time |
| 22:40.01 | hali | Cope: cool, you did cornflake.co.uk? |
| 22:40.44 | hali | i'm just about to buy some kit from them |
| 22:45.06 | Cope | oh? what? |
| 22:45.45 | hali | you worked for them right? |
| 22:45.51 | hali | you a hifi nerd as well? :) |
| 22:47.06 | Cope | yes - was multiroom and hifi sales, plus sysadmin |
| 22:47.19 | Cope | or other way round |
| 23:08.37 | Cope | ... |
| 23:10.30 | hali | .. -- .. |
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