| 00:01.22 | trousers_ | clive-h: Indeed. |
| 01:03.14 | wethrin | Wow, it's been exciting here tonight |
| 01:06.00 | clive-h | It has? |
| 01:06.19 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 01:06.23 | clive-h | i must have been asleep |
| 01:07.02 | wethrin | quite :) |
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| 05:15.46 | morsing | gregj! |
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| 06:46.05 | trousers_ | Morning all! |
| 07:13.45 | morsing | trousers_! |
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| 08:11.57 | morsing | mumperer! |
| 08:22.09 | mumperer | morsing! :) |
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| 08:46.56 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 08:47.02 | morsing | benoit! |
| 08:47.18 | sabinef72 | morning |
| 08:47.26 | sabinef72 | we have a problem with our server |
| 08:48.52 | morsing | Nice |
| 08:49.19 | sabinef72 | no that's not nice ! |
| 08:51.26 | morsing | :) |
| 08:51.34 | morsing | sabinef72: What did you have for breakfast? |
| 08:52.12 | sabinef72 | a yoghourt as usual |
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| 09:51.54 | niv_one_three | SlayerXP: hi |
| 09:52.00 | SlayerXP | yo |
| 09:56.50 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
| 09:56.53 | morsing | asht_007! |
| 09:56.54 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 09:56.56 | morsing | niv_one_three! |
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| 09:58.08 | JosefAssad | moin |
| 09:59.52 | niv_one_three | morsing: respect mf! |
| 10:00.29 | SlayerXP | i need more customers |
| 10:09.34 | morsing | JosefAssad! |
| 10:09.37 | morsing | ibot mf? |
| 10:09.52 | morsing | SlayerXP: So do I |
| 10:10.36 | SlayerXP | morsing: resell ABMX, I'll give you £50 per signup. |
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| 10:43.19 | morsing | SlayerXP: I've tried to resell it to my dad's work but you wouldn't give a good enough discouont :) |
| 11:01.37 | wethrin | yo |
| 11:10.43 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 11:10.45 | morsing | Beer |
| 11:10.51 | wethrin | Saturday? |
| 11:11.15 | wethrin | Hmm, I suppose I should work out a timeline for Saturday |
| 11:11.15 | morsing | Yes! |
| 11:11.25 | wethrin | Does anyone here feel like giving a lightning talk? |
| 11:11.28 | morsing | I had bitter lemon last night with TwoSheds :) |
| 11:11.40 | morsing | I do - to the manager of the Woolwich! |
| 11:11.46 | wethrin | What about to Gllug? |
| 11:11.52 | morsing | Oh - nothign |
| 11:11.55 | morsing | nothing |
| 11:12.20 | wethrin | bah |
| 11:12.25 | wethrin | Not even to peddle your AIX services? |
| 11:12.46 | morsing | Could do |
| 11:13.03 | cpufreak | I would, but I'm out of the country |
| 11:14.37 | wethrin | Driving very fast in Germany? |
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| 11:21.42 | morsing | gregj! |
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| 11:32.34 | hali | i could give a nice long talk about how incredibly broken mysql is and how much oracle owns ... but it think i would be lynched :) |
| 11:33.00 | antiphase | mysql isn't broken, it's just written by twats, Ã la PHP |
| 11:35.50 | bilarh_ | well, i think mysql works fine :-) |
| 11:35.54 | bilarh_ | at least for my small applications |
| 11:36.16 | bilarh_ | i've only ever used it in anger for some time sheet software and rt3, but still |
| 11:36.24 | bilarh_ | it seems to work fine for those, anyway |
| 11:36.33 | morsing | PHP Rocks! |
| 11:36.36 | morsing | Jasperw! |
| 11:47.47 | hali | mysql is great for small things indeed... and is quite fast for basic table scans.. |
| 11:47.52 | hali | a great "data plow" |
| 11:48.23 | hali | but doesn't really cut in larger installations... transaction support is limited and poorly implemented... the storage engines are so so |
| 11:48.33 | hali | it's getting a lot better in 5.1 though |
| 11:48.49 | SlayerXP | mysql is a fine example of what happens when people who know very little about databases write a sql engine |
| 11:49.17 | hali | like the classic quote from the 3.0 manual.... "constraints are bad and such logic should be kept in the application" :D |
| 11:49.48 | SlayerXP | transactions just slow things down |
| 11:50.45 | hali | not if implemented properly |
| 11:50.55 | hali | like in oracle, everything is in a transaction |
| 11:51.10 | hali | nice to have rollbacks |
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| 11:53.58 | antiphase | Use postgres. Things are in transactions if you want them to be, and they DTRT |
| 11:56.03 | morsing | flips_and_rails! |
| 11:56.33 | hali | postgresql is great indeed |
| 11:56.48 | hali | i love the cool indexing features in it |
| 11:57.14 | hali | sort of like partitioned indexes but at a higher level and much easier to overview |
| 12:08.11 | SlayerXP | "transactions just slow things down" was mysql-speak, in fact :) |
| 12:12.31 | z00dax | sqlite! its the future |
| 12:17.24 | hali | perhaps if he'll rewrite it as sqlarger |
| 12:31.25 | morsing | Nice |
| 12:34.40 | morsing | Beer |
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| 12:43.48 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 12:44.20 | dick_turpin | morsing: Thank god for that, I thought I'd joined #graveyard |
| 12:46.10 | morsing | You have... |
| 12:46.28 | morsing | ping sabinef72 |
| 12:46.59 | dick_turpin | morsing: Did you see that tumbleweed just then? |
| 12:47.22 | morsing | Nice |
| 12:48.41 | morsing | ... I'm gonna be rich soon :) I'm so happy! |
| 12:49.21 | morsing | ping Leeds |
| 12:50.22 | morsing | LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:02.12 | dick_turpin | ibot wake everyone up |
| 13:02.23 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on everyone up and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
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| 13:29.51 | morsing | JosefAssad! |
| 13:47.19 | JosefAssad | twisted is unnecessarily complex for projects not on the scale of, say, building a google killer |
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| 13:51.58 | Leeds | JosefAssad: wrong channel? |
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| 14:04.09 | JosefAssad | Leeds: No, I just had to bitch a little somewhere :) |
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| 14:06.30 | hali | irc is way better than therapy |
| 14:06.57 | bilarh_ | doctor.el is good for therapy |
| 14:07.41 | bilarh_ | ibot tell dick_turpin to stop telling you to throw water at us |
| 14:11.16 | morsing | ibot! |
| 14:11.28 | Leeds | JosefAssad: I think it tends to be misrepresented - what it is, really, is a high-level network stack... it's for *network* apps, not *web* apps or anything like that |
| 14:12.21 | JosefAssad | I think it gets misrepresented like that because the web app people flock to it. |
| 14:13.03 | JosefAssad | I was using it simply to parallelize downloads |
| 14:15.18 | Leeds | should be using django or turbogears (or any of the many other web things) for web stuff |
| 14:16.52 | z00dax | web app people flock to twised ? |
| 14:16.55 | z00dax | twisted |
| 14:17.17 | z00dax | JosefAssad: also, if you want parallel downlaods - urlgrabber has some cool stuff to make that happen |
| 14:17.59 | JosefAssad | z00dax: Now you tell me? :) Thanks for the tip |
| 14:25.54 | Leeds | JosefAssad: #python has rather a twisted, uh, bias |
| 14:31.38 | morsing | Beer |
| 14:45.25 | antiphase | Are there no off-licences near you? |
| 14:47.08 | Leeds | I've got 4 7-11s within about 5 minutes walk - 24-hour cheapish booze |
| 14:56.30 | morsing | Beer |
| 14:56.58 | clive-h | The offie near here got turned over last night I gather |
| 14:59.01 | bilarh_ | hmm if i have a velocity-1.4.jar in my tomcat install |
| 14:59.19 | bilarh_ | and in there there's a velocity.properties in the ./org/apache/velocity/runtime/defaults/velocity.properties file |
| 14:59.39 | bilarh_ | is it possible to have like an external velocity.properties file as well, which can override some of the default properties? |
| 14:59.44 | bilarh_ | or do I have to rebuild my jar? |
| 14:59.53 | bilarh_ | i want to change the runtime.log directive |
| 15:01.19 | hali | bilarh_: jar=zip |
| 15:01.24 | hali | unzip, zip |
| 15:01.25 | bilarh_ | yes i know |
| 15:01.32 | bilarh_ | i've done that, hence i found the file |
| 15:01.44 | bilarh_ | can i have an external velocity.properties somewhere else in tomcat, though? :) |
| 15:01.54 | hali | yes, it just looks in the classpath |
| 15:02.11 | hali | unless it is a META-INF thing |
| 15:02.11 | bilarh_ | ah |
| 15:02.14 | bilarh_ | it is :) |
| 15:02.19 | hali | then, hm |
| 15:03.38 | hali | you could try removing it from the jar and adding it to classpath |
| 15:03.44 | hali | to a dir in classpath that is |
| 15:06.05 | cpufreak | anyone know anyone good at windows kernel debugging? |
| 15:06.15 | cpufreak | preferably someone I can bounce ideas off |
| 15:06.18 | cpufreak | without paying |
| 15:07.00 | hali | ugh, i've done that over serial console once... |
| 15:07.11 | hali | the nt kernel has a feature to dump debug data over console |
| 15:07.17 | cpufreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.23 | hali | and you probably need a debug version of windows for that |
| 15:07.29 | cpufreak | and to investigate where the kernel is spending time |
| 15:07.36 | cpufreak | an dI need to do this on a production system |
| 15:07.43 | cpufreak | as our windows team is full of monkeys |
| 15:09.21 | morsing | Beer |
| 15:09.39 | wethrin | beer? |
| 15:09.46 | hali | shandy |
| 15:09.54 | antiphase | Babycham |
| 15:10.23 | wethrin | Perry! |
| 15:10.32 | antiphase | Beverly Hills 90210 |
| 15:16.25 | morsing | Nice |
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| 15:22.23 | morsing | chr1s! |
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| 15:26.43 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 15:29.33 | wethrin | morsing! |
| 15:31.11 | goibhniu | morsing! |
| 15:41.02 | hali | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dildonics |
| 15:41.05 | hali | very amusing :) |
| 15:58.54 | morsing | Is there a cli calendar/scheduling tool? |
| 16:00.54 | clive-h | ical springs to mind |
| 16:01.55 | hali | just cal :) |
| 16:03.02 | clive-h | well cal isn't quite a scheduling tool |
| 16:03.09 | clive-h | but tis handy |
| 16:03.30 | hali | or ccal |
| 16:03.37 | hali | ccal has a bit more stuff |
| 16:03.54 | hali | or pilot perhaps |
| 16:12.03 | morsing | How's pilot a calendar? |
| 16:12.07 | morsing | ical doesn't exist |
| 16:12.21 | morsing | ccal is there will have a look but looks very primitive |
| 16:15.25 | clive-h | You did say CLI |
| 16:15.53 | morsing | Yes - but to put an entry in ccal it appears I have to write a data file and load it?! |
| 16:17.45 | clive-h | Why not just use an X application? |
| 16:18.54 | morsing | It has to be easily accessible from everywhere, incl. my phone and borrowed laptops |
| 16:19.00 | niv_one_three | morsing: I asked that last week |
| 16:19.05 | niv_one_three | is ccal the answer? |
| 16:19.38 | bilarh_ | i know of one... vi calendar.txt :) |
| 16:20.02 | bilarh_ | and crontab with a little shell script for alarms, sorted! |
| 16:20.09 | morsing | bilarh_: Well, yes, seems like it unless I write something myself... |
| 16:20.28 | bilarh_ | that's what i'm saying, it shouldn't be hard to write at all |
| 16:20.34 | bilarh_ | just have a well defined txt file format |
| 16:20.46 | bilarh_ | and you could have a script to send you an email with alerts etc based on notification preferences |
| 16:20.52 | morsing | Or an Oracle DB backend?// |
| 16:21.07 | bilarh_ | yeah but that is more complicated to write (imo) |
| 16:21.15 | morsing | :) |
| 16:21.17 | bilarh_ | and it also requires an oracle db :) |
| 16:21.19 | clive-h | Orrible seems overkill |
| 16:21.21 | bilarh_ | and you don't want to be using that |
| 16:22.01 | clive-h | Nowt wrong with Oracle if you can afford the license fees |
| 16:22.12 | bilarh_ | oracle xe maybe :) |
| 16:22.18 | clive-h | or it's not commercial |
| 16:24.28 | clive-h | Xe is interesting |
| 16:25.05 | hali | XE is alright |
| 16:25.19 | hali | and oracle se one is licensed really nice these days |
| 16:25.35 | hali | you can have a quad core single socket system licensed for abour 2500GBP |
| 16:26.19 | clive-h | and an Oracle DBA will cost you 35K per annum minimum |
| 16:26.38 | hali | well, id say more like 45k and up |
| 16:26.47 | hali | but oracle isn't _that_ hard these days |
| 16:27.01 | hali | they've improved both the basic stuff and the management tools a lot in 10g |
| 16:27.03 | clive-h | It's easier yes |
| 16:27.08 | hali | its night and day compared to the 7 days |
| 16:27.23 | clive-h | I did a few years doing Oracle DBA on 7 and 8 |
| 16:27.36 | hali | i spend a lot of time as a dba where i work right now |
| 16:28.43 | clive-h | These days Oracle does lots of stuff automatically |
| 16:29.05 | hali | yes, automagic sga and pga tuning works pretty well in smaller systems |
| 16:29.26 | hali | we still do sga manually on larger setups due to to much sga resize operations by the automatic engine |
| 16:29.37 | clive-h | Sensible |
| 16:30.12 | hali | and to be honest thats quite automatic as well, we graph db_cache_advice etc. in nagios and that gives a pretty good idea what to do |
| 16:30.28 | clive-h | nagios rocks |
| 16:30.51 | clive-h | I deployed that the last few places I contracted at |
| 16:34.24 | hali | z00dax convinced me to look in to zabbix, sort of like nagios but more automatic features |
| 16:34.35 | hali | like pretty cool graphing and a nice database backend |
| 16:35.40 | clive-h | Yeah heard good things about zabbix |
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| 16:36.53 | clive-h | Oh and it's even in the FC6 repos |
| 16:37.26 | hali | z00dax has got rpms as well |
| 16:37.42 | clive-h | Yeah I guessed that |
| 16:38.02 | clive-h | But I'm at home and my kit runs FC6 not Centos |
| 17:07.07 | goibhniu | morsing: google calendar |
| 17:21.46 | JosefAssad | oh bloodyhell. Evolutiion chews up all my memory trying to autodeetect the mailbox type of what I could have told it is mbox |
| 17:31.40 | wethrin | heh |
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| 18:20.07 | morsing | murble! |
| 18:20.09 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 18:20.20 | wethrin | morsing! Is it time to go home? |
| 18:20.30 | morsing | I'm home |
| 18:20.40 | wethrin | Bah |
| 18:21.55 | z00dax | me too! I am home |
| 18:21.59 | wethrin | z00dax! |
| 18:22.17 | z00dax | wethrin: ! |
| 18:22.59 | sabinef72 | stupid computer |
| 18:23.35 | z00dax | sabinef72: dont let it hear you |
| 18:24.40 | sabinef72 | lol |
| 18:25.02 | morsing | :) |
| 18:25.44 | z00dax | morsing: you mean there are other directors as well ? |
| 18:29.01 | goibhniu | morsing: I just heard about http://www.businesslink.gov.uk today .. it looks good |
| 18:29.04 | wethrin | morsing: Hurrah! |
| 18:29.48 | wethrin | What should I do - I've already had a large lunch today, but I'm rather tempted by a pizza. I know I shouldn't, really, and am having pizza tomorrow lunch. |
| 18:30.01 | wethrin | Should I give in to pizza, or be good? |
| 18:32.33 | morsing | Mmm... Mushrooms |
| 18:33.15 | morsing | goibhniu: Look really good! |
| 18:33.18 | morsing | s |
| 18:34.05 | goibhniu | morsing: yeah and you can call them up if you have any questions ... they can also recommend people for you |
| 18:34.15 | wethrin | z00dax: Pub on Saturday.... |
| 18:35.00 | z00dax | wethrin: yes! |
| 18:35.13 | wethrin | What should web do about it? |
| 18:35.30 | wethrin | (re: gllugadmin email) |
| 18:36.42 | morsing | I got this letter from the company warehouse but when I try to login with the details they gave my it says page not found... |
| 19:09.17 | trousers_ | wethrin: I would wish to attend :) |
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| 19:28.40 | z00dax | wethrin: (b) followed by (a) for Pub |
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| 19:34.05 | goibhniu | morsing: btw you should check if you should start trading before April 5th or not ... you get certain extra tax allowances for your first year and you might loose them |
| 19:38.16 | morsing | Right. Can I send you an invoice for something? |
| 19:39.10 | clive-h | You use a Dymo for invoices? |
| 19:39.15 | clive-h | that's odd |
| 19:39.34 | morsing | Yup |
| 19:42.46 | morsing | Beer |
| 19:49.35 | wethrin | z00dax: Sounds good, then |
| 19:49.38 | wethrin | oi morsing! |
| 19:52.53 | morsing | wethrin: Dude - we need to cut back here... You're out... |
| 19:53.43 | wethrin | rarr? |
| 19:56.14 | morsing | Mmm... Lorraine |
| 19:56.22 | morsing | She's single now you know? |
| 19:56.27 | wethrin | Kelly? |
| 19:56.44 | morsing | Kelly? Yuck, she's even fatter now |
| 19:57.09 | wethrin | Err? |
| 20:12.50 | morsing | How do I enable ssh to my new Ubuntu system? |
| 20:13.29 | wethrin | Did you install sshd? |
| 20:13.36 | morsing | Don't know |
| 20:18.01 | wethrin | Hum |
| 20:18.12 | wethrin | You might need to intall it |
| 20:18.56 | antiphase | It doesn't come with openssh-server installed by default |
| 20:19.15 | gw280 | now I know why xfs_check doesn't like this partition. |
| 20:19.18 | gw280 | it's jfs formatted. |
| 20:19.19 | antiphase | In the same way it doesn't come with lots of things. I think the Debian weenies have been at it |
| 20:19.20 | morsing | Crap |
| 20:19.34 | antiphase | Dime bar |
| 20:20.02 | wethrin | It's a Daim bar now, apparently |
| 20:20.06 | wethrin | DAmn Europeans |
| 20:29.38 | morsing | Nice |
| 20:34.25 | gw280 | system:/media/sdb1/DCIM/100CANON/IMG_0068.JPG |
| 20:34.28 | gw280 | I think I'm a girl. |
| 20:34.30 | gw280 | woops |
| 20:34.32 | gw280 | wrong URL |
| 20:34.35 | gw280 | http://vm.gwright.org.uk/images/cache/images/1024x768/IMG_0068.JPG |
| 20:35.02 | wethrin | You are, you long-haired hippy |
| 20:35.30 | gw280 | wethrin: was my hair THAT long at FOSDEM? I THINK NOT. |
| 20:35.43 | wethrin | Longer than mine! |
| 20:35.57 | gw280 | wethrin: you have NO hair. |
| 20:36.05 | wethrin | I have some hair! |
| 20:36.22 | gw280 | wethrin: I don't want to know about your body hair. |
| 20:36.31 | wethrin | ON MY HEAD, you fould child! |
| 20:36.33 | wethrin | *foul |
| 20:37.01 | gw280 | haha |
| 20:41.27 | morsing | You kidding right!?! |
| 20:41.40 | gw280 | morsing: ? |
| 20:41.52 | morsing | Ubuntu is telleing me that to complete the installation of sshd I need to reboot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111 |
| 20:41.58 | antiphase | It lies |
| 20:42.10 | morsing | Is this an absolute joke?!?!?!? |
| 20:42.26 | antiphase | It's never done that to me, you must have annoyed the Gods |
| 20:42.29 | wethrin | It's like Window! |
| 20:42.32 | wethrin | *Windows |
| 20:42.45 | morsing | antiphase: How do I start it now? |
| 20:43.03 | wethrin | sshd |
| 20:43.04 | antiphase | Ubuntu is wank, it starts newly installed daemons as part of post-install |
| 20:43.11 | morsing | wethrin: Doesn't exist |
| 20:43.19 | wethrin | Ought to |
| 20:43.20 | antiphase | /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 20:43.24 | wethrin | Or /etc/init.d/sshd start |
| 20:48.43 | morsing | It hasn't started |
| 20:48.54 | morsing | /etc/init.d/sshd doesn't exist |
| 20:49.04 | wethrin | Has it installed anything? |
| 20:49.14 | wethrin | Maybe it wants to reboot so it can do some weird arsing about with your system |
| 20:49.59 | antiphase | It really is ssh, rather than sshd in /etc/init.d |
| 20:50.06 | antiphase | Tab completion 4tw |
| 20:50.08 | wethrin | Eww! |
| 20:50.23 | gw280 | wethrin: lalala |
| 20:50.33 | wethrin | gw280: Go troll Pete |
| 20:50.38 | wethrin | gw280: You're weird. |
| 20:50.44 | gw280 | wethrin: why am I weird? |
| 20:50.53 | antiphase | :join #crack |
| 20:50.59 | gw280 | absolutely :D |
| 20:51.21 | wethrin | gw280: vi-like commands for IRC |
| 20:51.36 | gw280 | so? |
| 20:51.42 | gw280 | vi is awesome |
| 20:52.13 | wethrin | Ha |
| 20:52.20 | antiphase | Anyone who has appreciated the power of :'a,'bs/^/#/ will know |
| 20:52.49 | antiphase | Do that in nano ;) |
| 21:00.26 | z00dax | gw280: is knx your fault ? |
| 21:00.40 | gw280 | z00dax: knx is dead |
| 21:00.52 | gw280 | z00dax: I didn't write it, I did a little bit of work on it then rewrote it |
| 21:00.57 | z00dax | so, is there going to be something else to replace it |
| 21:01.03 | gw280 | z00dax: qtnx is the current replacement |
| 21:01.11 | gw280 | which will be ported to the KDE libraries and renamed to kNX |
| 21:01.11 | z00dax | and where can i get that ? |
| 21:01.18 | gw280 | z00dax: check my blog |
| 21:01.25 | z00dax | that would mean making an effort |
| 21:01.30 | z00dax | asking you is far easiler |
| 21:02.04 | z00dax | come to think of it, i am not even sure if i have a qt that would work ... does it work with qt3 ? |
| 21:20.15 | gw280 | no, qt4 |
| 21:20.25 | gw280 | yeah, qtnx will work on that |
| 21:21.11 | z00dax | damn, i could get qt4 if i must |
| 21:21.29 | z00dax | I wonder how much better qemu has become these days, i wonder if thats a viable option to run Nx |
| 21:21.47 | gw280 | you have got to be shitting me... |
| 21:35.31 | z00dax | umm no - there really isnt any usable NX client on linux/ppc at this time |
| 21:40.33 | gw280 | mine works |
| 21:40.54 | gw280 | it just requires quite a lot of hackery to get it to compile :P |
| 21:46.35 | z00dax | why ? do you not know what libs and what compiler options you build it with |
| 21:47.44 | gw280 | qmake does |
| 21:47.57 | z00dax | blah! not yet-another-make |
| 21:48.03 | gw280 | why in the name of flying FUCK does ubuntu not want to work with my RAIDs? |
| 21:48.37 | z00dax | what raid do you have ? |
| 21:49.13 | gw280 | three RAID-5s |
| 21:49.16 | gw280 | linux softare |
| 21:49.40 | z00dax | mdraid! |
| 21:55.17 | antiphase | Installing Ubuntu on RAID is a joy </sarcasm> |
| 21:57.53 | gw280 | it's not being installed on the RAID |
| 21:58.04 | gw280 | it's just that it freezes every time I boot whilst trying to assemble the arrays |
| 21:58.07 | gw280 | stupid bastard. |
| 21:58.40 | *** join/#gllug chr1s (n=chatzill@crag1.plus.com) |
| 22:01.06 | antiphase | Ubuntu leaves little to the imagination it seems, it tries to do everything for n00bs and pisses off the old skool crew |
| 22:06.16 | gw280 | hrm |
| 22:06.19 | gw280 | it still doesn't boot |
| 22:06.22 | gw280 | even with all the disks disconnected. |
| 22:16.01 | antiphase | You broke it |
| 22:26.32 | trousers_ | Woo, should be setting up a cluster tomorrow :) |
| 22:26.49 | trousers_ | Need to try to glean more PCs (saw some lying around) from my school IT department |
| 22:27.26 | antiphase | What for? |
| 22:27.38 | trousers_ | Fun :) |
| 22:27.56 | antiphase | As long as you call it Skynet |
| 22:28.07 | trousers_ | Any suggestions as to what I can do with it? |
| 22:28.09 | trousers_ | Skynet? |
| 22:28.35 | antiphase | HELLO? Watch the Terminator series |
| 22:28.45 | trousers_ | Err, about that :) |
| 22:29.24 | gw280 | lol |
| 22:30.29 | trousers_ | On the topic of films, 300 looks... Interesting... |
| 22:30.47 | gw280 | z00dax looks "interesting", but we don't talk about it :P |
| 22:31.09 | trousers_ | gw280: z00dax is *manly* |
| 22:31.14 | trousers_ | :) |
| 22:31.21 | gw280 | YOU FUCKING ASSHAT |
| 22:32.12 | hali | thought about hw raid instead? |
| 22:32.24 | hali | i've got an old promise pata card |
| 22:32.30 | hali | 8 channel raid |
| 22:33.18 | antiphase | I've got a 32-bit Adaptec I20 SCSI Ultra 160 card gathering dust, not much use now though |
| 22:34.30 | hali | the promise card is up for grabs, trade for beer |
| 22:36.41 | gw280 | yes, because I have enough money for hardware RAID... |
| 22:36.44 | gw280 | </sarcasm> |
| 22:38.16 | wethrin | antiphase: That a RAID card? |
| 22:38.48 | antiphase | Yes |
| 22:38.54 | wethrin | hali: How many beers do you want? |
| 22:39.03 | hali | wethrin: one or so :) |
| 22:39.04 | wethrin | antiphase: Hmm....swap for a beer? |
| 22:39.12 | antiphase | If you like |
| 22:39.18 | wethrin | Sounds reasonable |
| 22:39.44 | wethrin | Beer on Saturday, then! |
| 22:40.20 | hali | ah yes, thats on saturday isn't it |
| 22:40.27 | hali | i may actually come to this meeting :) |
| 22:40.29 | antiphase | It's only single channel, can do 0,1,1+0 or 5 with appropriate firmware which it may or may not have at present |
| 22:40.48 | antiphase | I think the present version omits 1+0 |
| 22:40.57 | wethrin | Eh, for a beer it's not bad |
| 22:41.10 | wethrin | Boh |
| 22:41.43 | wethrin | Another time, if either of us remembers, then |
| 22:41.47 | antiphase | OK |
| 23:05.35 | z00dax | humm h/w raid++ |
| 23:05.42 | wethrin | Indeed |
| 23:05.49 | wethrin | Sadly I only have software RAID |
| 23:05.50 | wethrin | boo hiss |
| 23:06.44 | z00dax | wethrin: depending on what you are doing, and the sort of machine its running on, you might be running 'faster' than a h/w raid |
| 23:08.17 | wethrin | Maybe |
| 23:38.07 | wethrin | rhowe: CURRY! |
