| 00:01.58 | rhowe | wethrin: How'd you guess? |
| 00:07.08 | trousers_ | wethrin: Yay for foodstuffs. |
| 00:07.26 | wethrin | indeed |
| 00:07.37 | wethrin | rhowe: Because curry is good! |
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| 03:42.54 | morsing | Ham |
| 05:06.01 | morsing | Toast |
| 05:09.02 | Leeds | work |
| 05:32.30 | morsing | Cheese |
| 05:35.53 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 06:14.01 | morsing | Richard? |
| 06:16.19 | morsing | ibot wake Leeds |
| 06:16.29 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on Leeds and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 06:18.04 | Leeds | just working out how to response to "Jasmine: can I get a baby from u?" |
| 06:19.31 | morsing | Yes would be the correct answer |
| 06:22.12 | Leeds | as I said to her earlier this morning - I'm not ready for a baby - need practice first |
| 06:43.41 | morsing | Right... |
| 06:43.55 | morsing | Do you want one of my three step plans again? |
| 06:47.08 | morsing | Leeds: You know I'm going for an interview at Barclaycard, right? |
| 07:03.19 | morsing | http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1973-Chevrolet-Chevelle-Laguna-Front-Bench-Seat-NR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ140726QQitemZ140099182278QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW |
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| 07:21.05 | morsing | hali! |
| 07:54.28 | morsing | Oh man... I have to do it |
| 07:57.28 | morsing | What a good (value) laptop to run Linux on? |
| 08:03.11 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 08:23.37 | morsing | Msleeping-tablets.comoo |
| 08:23.45 | morsing | Huh?!?!? |
| 08:23.49 | morsing | Crappy laptop |
| 08:24.10 | morsing | Leeds are you there? |
| 08:31.15 | bilarh_ | anything from dell i would have thought was decent value and should run linux fine |
| 08:32.06 | morsing | So if I buy a £400 Acer and instally Ubuntu, it will find everything, wireless, bluetooth, etc? |
| 08:32.16 | morsing | Centrino doesn't work with Linux |
| 08:32.50 | bilarh_ | how is acer dell? :) |
| 08:33.46 | bilarh_ | this aint half bad for the price, imo: http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/emea/topics/vistabundles/bsdbundles_uki?c=uk&cs=ukbsdt1&l=en&s=bsd&~section=N03153 |
| 08:34.12 | bilarh_ | i don't know how well linux works with an amd turion, but it should probably be ok |
| 08:34.40 | bilarh_ | or even this one for 349+vat http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/RBIredirect.aspx?rbi=GKiitGAbBa2SB+6V9bxpR1iJq0ljnDjVqzoNJ99egnoqsfSqsWpewzPh8khI9QppUAVhZYPavcoGvJwA4+RJsBro8u0SA2kwNQydUlInwBZyOUWNGEAloRNl+ti/HSMqhfg7y19s8lh8MaJdEBctF/z5/fk6K0tiutEq1ApbWp8fKdU6qTuT+wmOCPCjjZRwlW6t02FHjbs2HIQcdYlYGYEGdIseT/In3Ndf/mYQSz8= |
| 08:36.00 | morsing | Nice |
| 08:37.17 | sabinef72 | morning |
| 08:38.00 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 08:38.46 | sabinef72 | hey morsing how are you ? |
| 08:39.36 | morsing | I'm good thank. Have been in before 5 but not bad. Have an interview for a job tomorrow |
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| 08:57.40 | morsing | LeedsHK! |
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| 09:17.12 | niv_one_three | I am so happy: got this call this morning from mom "Niv tell me how to call using the linux box" |
| 09:17.50 | niv_one_three | that was after yesterday - she sent printing jobs in the linux machine. my my parents FINALLY move to linux? |
| 09:22.05 | Leeds | my mum promised me that should would have moved to Linux except - fairly enough - she doesn't want to do it if her tech support guy is on the other side of the planet. |
| 09:23.21 | niv_one_three | it was so much joy fixing her cups to print |
| 09:28.27 | morsing | niv_one_three! |
| 09:28.57 | morsing | My parents have been using Linux for ten years now... |
| 09:31.02 | phearless | hi gllug ! |
| 09:32.27 | morsing | phearless! |
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| 09:41.08 | JosefAssad | moin |
| 09:41.48 | Leeds | shalom |
| 09:42.11 | JosefAssad | morn du |
| 09:42.42 | JosefAssad | oh wow, there's a free as in beer MS Project viewer for linux |
| 09:43.43 | morsing | Slalom |
| 09:44.14 | JosefAssad | slokum |
| 09:44.31 | morsing | Lokum |
| 09:45.00 | JosefAssad | Locus |
| 09:47.03 | JosefAssad | wow, evolution hackers close bugs if restarting evolution fixes the problem |
| 09:47.30 | JosefAssad | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271939 |
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| 09:58.29 | morsing | mumperer! |
| 09:58.32 | morsing | Provito: Lokum |
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| 10:23.25 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 10:23.48 | goibhniu | morsing! |
| 10:32.06 | mumperer | Hi, each! :) |
| 10:32.28 | mumperer | And 'im ... |
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| 10:36.50 | morsing | bilarh! |
| 10:42.07 | morsing | ibot change 450 usd to gbp |
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| 10:42.17 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
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| 10:45.07 | wethrin | arr! |
| 10:45.36 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 10:45.38 | morsing | JosefAssad! |
| 10:46.32 | JosefAssad | morsing: You really do have an exclamation mark surplus, don't you? :) |
| 10:48.04 | JosefAssad | eh, evlution's search folders are buggy beyond the wildest belief |
| 10:53.24 | boudiccas | i think evolution is buggy as a whole,a nd i don't like their new gui for it either |
| 10:58.11 | JosefAssad | it crashes very frequently. Unfortunately, the featureset is compelling to me |
| 10:58.25 | JosefAssad | boudiccas: irssi. Just ask |
| 10:58.41 | boudiccas | i much prefer kontact and kmail |
| 10:59.02 | boudiccas | JosefAssad; but your version really amused me :) |
| 10:59.03 | JosefAssad | kmail ate my mail once. It was traumatising |
| 10:59.11 | wethrin | But that's why you have backups |
| 10:59.47 | boudiccas | have you tried sylpheed-claws? Thats quite good but doesn't use the mbox format |
| 10:59.49 | JosefAssad | sure, but what is more worrying? Corrupted messages and having to fish out backups or crashes where you just restart the app? |
| 10:59.59 | JosefAssad | I migrated _from_ claws last evening actually |
| 11:00.02 | wethrin | I use mutt and Maildir/ |
| 11:00.25 | JosefAssad | I used mutt also. But I have precious little time for gnarly configs anymore :\ |
| 11:00.41 | JosefAssad | mutt + dovecot + imap and so on was lovely. |
| 11:00.54 | wethrin | mutt's not that bad to configure |
| 11:01.01 | JosefAssad | + fetchmail etc. |
| 11:01.31 | JosefAssad | Oh, not mutt. The devil's always in the details. Debugging mail sending, making sure mutt saved sent mails to the right place, etc. |
| 11:02.07 | JosefAssad | And being a suit, I really appreciate the evolution features of flag for followup and so on. |
| 11:02.30 | JosefAssad | And vfolders are a great way to keep from having to manage a lot of mbox files |
| 11:02.32 | morsing | Beer |
| 11:02.51 | JosefAssad | vfolders are also a great way to get pissed off by having to restart evolution, it turns out |
| 11:03.59 | boudiccas | come back kmail ... all is forgiven :))))) |
| 11:03.59 | JosefAssad | oh ffs... I hate working with ex-MS people :\ |
| 11:04.57 | boudiccas | if you're referring to me, I've been using linux now for almost 3 years |
| 11:05.33 | JosefAssad | no, the people in our tech center in Seattle who are doing global direction for this open source project are all Redmond alumni |
| 11:05.45 | boudiccas | ah, apologies then |
| 11:06.00 | JosefAssad | I'd prefer condolences |
| 11:06.04 | boudiccas | lol |
| 11:07.29 | morsing | boudiccas: Where's TwoSheds? |
| 11:07.56 | z00dax | so, what sort of freaked out weather is this ? |
| 11:08.04 | z00dax | morsing: what did you do to the weather |
| 11:08.05 | wethrin | It's just overcast here |
| 11:08.12 | morsing | It's sunny here |
| 11:08.18 | wethrin | bully for you :-P |
| 11:08.23 | morsing | No wait - that's the lamps |
| 11:08.33 | morsing | We can't actually look outside here |
| 11:09.40 | boudiccas | morsing; depends who TwoSheds is? :) |
| 11:10.09 | boudiccas | its sunny in Maidstone but snowing at Biggin Hill! |
| 11:10.42 | z00dax | it cant make up its mind here, its raining but sleeting in a snowing way too, and ifs bloody cold at just under 2 Deg |
| 11:10.56 | wethrin | morsing: Why not? |
| 11:11.08 | boudiccas | i agree about the cold, its just 1'c here |
| 11:12.16 | z00dax | it actually feels colder inside the train than it did outside |
| 11:12.44 | boudiccas | time for the longjohns then :) |
| 11:14.29 | z00dax | too late, am on the train already |
| 11:14.46 | JosefAssad | my fianee won't let me wear longjohns. |
| 11:15.42 | boudiccas | wear wooly tights then, almost as good as long johns |
| 11:15.54 | morsing | wethrin: I've only had one job ever where I could look outside |
| 11:16.11 | boudiccas | i used to wear longjohns when i went rock climbing |
| 11:16.39 | wethrin | morsing: Get some windows! |
| 11:17.13 | boudiccas | its official, morsing needs windows but can't decide whether to get a good vista :) |
| 11:17.14 | JosefAssad | Eh, I had a job where my office had a full view of the pyramids. For four years. Never want to see the godforsaken things again |
| 11:17.22 | boudiccas | lol |
| 11:20.42 | JosefAssad | wtf is going on with Novell these days? |
| 11:20.46 | morsing | http://www.esporta.com/northampton |
| 11:21.04 | JosefAssad | methinks Perens might be on to something when he says this might be some convoluted exit strategy |
| 11:21.08 | morsing | JosefAssad: Loads |
| 11:24.54 | JosefAssad | I am dealing with people who don't mind putting "high speed dialup connectivity" in as a criterion for selecting early adopters for a system |
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| 11:34.40 | Cope | moin |
| 11:35.24 | JosefAssad | Cope! |
| 11:35.56 | morsing | Cope! |
| 11:39.32 | Cope | lo |
| 11:43.29 | bilarh | zoodax: i'll have a freezing train over a hot and sweaty one any day of the year, please :) |
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| 12:33.28 | gregj | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8986086971706318025&hl=en |
| 12:33.28 | gregj | hehe |
| 12:45.40 | morsing | keithlard__: Why's TwoSheds upset? |
| 12:52.37 | morsing | ping wethrin |
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| 12:54.16 | morsing | MutedZero! |
| 12:54.35 | MutedZero | goodday morsing |
| 12:54.45 | boudiccas | MutedZero; hiyas les from wigan :) |
| 12:55.02 | MutedZero | hi all |
| 12:55.36 | MutedZero | I see Leeds is still in Hong Kong :) |
| 12:58.31 | morsing | He is... |
| 13:01.02 | MutedZero | how's Cope ? |
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| 13:08.24 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 13:08.31 | morsing | MutedZero: He's doing well |
| 13:08.43 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; :) |
| 13:09.25 | dick_turpin | whey hey hi people |
| 13:12.40 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; hey up lad |
| 13:12.53 | dick_turpin | 1 sec |
| 13:13.18 | boudiccas | times up |
| 13:15.46 | dick_turpin | another sec |
| 13:16.12 | gw280 | hrmm. |
| 13:17.55 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: The new girl is eating a sausage sandwich |
| 13:20.34 | boudiccas | sensible girl :) |
| 13:20.45 | boudiccas | sausages are for everyday |
| 13:21.47 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I cant talk to her too much, she keeps looking at me like I'm a perv or something |
| 13:25.29 | boudiccas | and i'm saying nothing for fear of dropping myself in it :) |
| 13:26.43 | dick_turpin | A smack in the mouth offen offends |
| 13:27.04 | boudiccas | so does asking for credit in th epub too |
| 13:27.12 | boudiccas | *the pub |
| 13:28.05 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: What ya been up to then? |
| 13:28.27 | morsing | Lovely |
| 13:28.59 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; i was ill yesterday for 24 hours, so i'm convelascent today and back to work tomorrow |
| 13:29.04 | dick_turpin | morsing: Your increasing your vocabulary? we usually get a 'nice' |
| 13:29.28 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Yeah, right, more like a hangover |
| 13:29.44 | boudiccas | nope, only drink at the weekends |
| 13:29.59 | boudiccas | it was a stomach upset |
| 13:31.40 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Ah, ooh, womens stuff then |
| 13:31.55 | boudiccas | nope, it =was= a stomach upset |
| 13:32.22 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Look I live with three women....... |
| 13:32.33 | boudiccas | my clinical knowledge hasn't degraded such that i wouldn't recognise a stomach upset i was expereincing |
| 13:36.22 | morsing | Check it! |
| 13:37.06 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I love being at the checkout in ASDA when the Tampax comes down I pick them up and say "Oh bloody hell" the checkout girls dont know where to look |
| 13:38.50 | boudiccas | rotflmao |
| 13:38.59 | morsing | Skype sucks |
| 13:39.31 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Its no laughing matter when you live with three of em |
| 13:41.08 | boudiccas | just you wait until the hormonal cycles achieve harmonisation and they're all synchronised with each other. then you'll be in for it :)))) |
| 13:42.35 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I'm waiting for the day when I come home, look in the front room, walk in the kitchen and say the the wife "WTF's that sat in my chair!!" |
| 13:43.05 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; =that's= your mother-in-law! |
| 13:45.18 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: No potential boyfriends, I have twin daughters both avid Linux users |
| 13:45.41 | boudiccas | lol |
| 13:46.07 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I have a plan |
| 13:48.19 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; drawn by an architect? |
| 13:48.33 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Na you'll love this one |
| 13:48.48 | boudiccas | I'm all ears [just like every other ass] |
| 13:50.12 | morsing | Mmm... GnuCash |
| 13:50.12 | boudiccas | i prefer kmymoney |
| 13:51.00 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I'll wait till they arrange to go to a night club with mates and boys, I'll get there before them, be on the dance floor doing a spaky dance, the mates will say "Look at that tosser" my girls will look over and that will kill any carnel thoughts dead I mean if thats what dads like....... |
| 13:51.40 | boudiccas | rotflamo |
| 13:52.05 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Ta da |
| 14:06.21 | boudiccas | ta ra ducks |
| 14:06.29 | wethrin | morsing: pong? |
| 14:08.09 | morsing | wethrin: |
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| 14:08.16 | wethrin | yarr? |
| 14:08.24 | morsing | Nope |
| 14:10.58 | wethrin | Oh |
| 14:11.01 | wethrin | Why did you ping, then? |
| 14:13.28 | morsing | Can't remember |
| 14:13.36 | morsing | I probably just missed you |
| 14:14.30 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 14:14.31 | wethrin | :) |
| 14:14.33 | wethrin | I was at lunch |
| 14:29.12 | morsing | No, you guys are proving somewhat rare ! Oh well - that's my excitement for |
| 14:29.12 | morsing | the day ... |
| 14:29.17 | morsing | :) |
| 14:29.44 | wethrin | Err? |
| 14:30.21 | morsing | Agent emailed me if I knew any AIX admins looking for work, I said "No I don't know any" and he replied that :) |
| 14:31.43 | wethrin | Ahhh |
| 14:31.47 | wethrin | Should I learn AIX, then? |
| 14:32.09 | morsing | You should if you want to be in demand and paid well |
| 14:32.27 | wethrin | Money++ |
| 14:32.41 | wethrin | Although academentia++ too |
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| 14:35.46 | morsing | Jasperw! |
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| 14:37.43 | wethrin | morsing: Want an IBM p690? |
| 14:37.55 | morsing | YEs please |
| 14:37.57 | morsing | mumperer |
| 14:37.58 | morsing | ! |
| 14:38.17 | wethrin | morsing: Got 3-phase? |
| 14:39.05 | morsing | No - people in this country don't normally... |
| 14:39.21 | morsing | Everything will run on a big enough fuse is their motto |
| 14:39.59 | wethrin | There's not much need for individuals.....company premises will often have it |
| 14:40.12 | wethrin | And the local electricity board should put it in if you ask them. And give them enough money |
| 14:40.22 | wethrin | After all, your home is now a business premises for Aixperts |
| 14:40.27 | morsing | wethrin: Yes there is. Cookers and ovens need 3-phase |
| 14:40.39 | wethrin | No they don't |
| 14:40.43 | wethrin | They're 32A single phase |
| 14:40.49 | morsing | In Denmark you'd never be allowed to hook one up on a single phase |
| 14:41.00 | morsing | And they shouldn't be. It's insane! |
| 14:41.36 | morsing | It's unsafe running more than 10A on a standard wire |
| 14:43.33 | wethrin | No it's not |
| 14:43.44 | wethrin | As long as the wire is heavy enough... |
| 14:44.23 | morsing | But they never are, that's the problem. And running 3x16A on three phases is still a lot better |
| 14:44.48 | wethrin | They generally are |
| 14:45.08 | wethrin | Phases tend to be balanced generally, as each neighbouring house will be on a different phase |
| 14:46.00 | wethrin | So there tends to be about a 60A or 100A feed into each house |
| 14:46.06 | morsing | Ok, well all house holds in DK has 3-phase coming in. Cookers and ovens are on all three phases and the rest of the house will have three seperate rings |
| 14:47.11 | wethrin | As long as the phases balance... |
| 14:47.50 | morsing | Why? |
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| 15:12.34 | morsing | clive-h! |
| 15:12.49 | clive-h | Good afternoon |
| 15:28.41 | hali | afternoon |
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| 15:29.12 | antiphase | Unbalanced phase currents cause undesirable third harmonic generation in transformers. Crazy Danish |
| 15:36.49 | bilarh | i have a reverse rewriting apache proxy in front of a tomcat server |
| 15:37.02 | bilarh | sometimes the tomcat server throws a 500 internal server error |
| 15:37.25 | bilarh | is it possible to catch this in the apache proxy config and redirect the request somewhere else? |
| 15:37.40 | bilarh | as in, i don't want them to see a 500 internal server error, i want to redirect them to my nice page |
| 15:37.44 | bilarh | with no stack trace :) |
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| 16:01.48 | antiphase | Would it be easier to alter what happens in the event of the error? |
| 16:03.30 | bilarh | hmm, i think i managed to do it now |
| 16:03.37 | bilarh | with "proxyerroroverride on" |
| 16:03.57 | bilarh | unfortunately, velocity errors aren't caught by tomcat it seems |
| 16:04.06 | bilarh | i think velocity helpfully generates its own stack trace |
| 16:38.01 | rhowe | SlayerXP: ping |
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| 16:51.54 | morsing | tripitaka! |
| 16:51.57 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 16:52.07 | Leeds | yes... |
| 16:52.08 | tripitaka | hello |
| 17:06.19 | SlayerXP | rhowe: pong, seen mail. thanks. |
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| 17:09.15 | morsing | JosefAssad! |
| 17:16.58 | JosefAssad | Livingstone! |
| 17:17.08 | Leeds | Dr Scott! |
| 17:17.12 | wethrin | Rocky! |
| 17:18.16 | morsing | Mum! |
| 17:18.25 | goibhniu | Chesney Hawkes! |
| 17:18.59 | boudiccas | Chevy Chase |
| 17:18.59 | phearless | Ô_o |
| 17:19.09 | boudiccas | Mornington Crescent! |
| 17:19.16 | SlayerXP | rhowe: and apologies for chopping an L from your first name. |
| 17:19.49 | Leeds | wethrin: thank you |
| 17:19.52 | morsing | Seven sisters! |
| 17:20.35 | wethrin | Leeds: any time |
| 17:20.40 | wethrin | Tottenham Hale! |
| 17:21.42 | boudiccas | Watergate |
| 17:21.58 | boudiccas | Bloody Tower! |
| 17:31.53 | goibhniu | Bolivia! |
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| 18:05.44 | Cope | rhowe: ping |
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| 18:19.07 | Cope_ | wibble |
| 18:28.38 | morsing | Cope_! |
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| 18:30.36 | morsing | keithlard__! |
| 18:43.29 | morsing | Moo |
| 19:42.27 | morsing | Beer |
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| 20:53.57 | cpufreak | ahh henrik |
| 20:54.05 | cpufreak | next week are you busy @ work? |
| 20:54.28 | cpufreak | I've been told I need to train you in some of the stuff i do |
| 21:01.49 | hali | cpufreak: are you guys still recruiting? |
| 21:02.00 | cpufreak | I dunnno |
| 21:02.04 | cpufreak | i don't think I'm being replaced |
| 21:02.10 | cpufreak | as I'm irreplacable |
| 21:04.43 | hali | ;) |
| 21:05.11 | hali | im probably looking for a smaller company again.. |
| 21:05.24 | hali | we went from 28 to 700 in 12 months :/ |
| 21:05.45 | hali | im not on top of things any more... and we have to many morons in the organization |
| 21:09.13 | clive-h | That's a lot of extra staff |
| 21:10.34 | cpufreak | hali: betfair have like 1500 |
| 21:13.19 | clive-h | staff or morons? |
| 21:16.23 | boudiccas | cpufreak; is betfair recruiting? last time i asked you said 'yes' and wanted to see my CV [which i hadn't got uptodate] well, its now done |
| 21:19.38 | cpufreak | I dunno |
| 21:19.41 | cpufreak | i'm leaving |
| 21:19.48 | cpufreak | my team is full at the minute |
| 21:19.51 | cpufreak | and they're not replacing me |
| 21:19.57 | cpufreak | because i'm irreplaceable ;) |
| 21:22.59 | boudiccas | cpufreak; you forgot to mention your modesty :) |
| 21:32.47 | boudiccas | gods, its so quiet everywhere tonight |
| 21:33.25 | antiphase | Go to the pub then |
| 21:33.44 | boudiccas | not enough time left, going to bed at 2200 |
| 21:35.00 | boudiccas | anyway, by the time i've got my slap on its time to take it off before bed :) |
| 21:35.56 | antiphase | o_O |
| 21:37.01 | cpufreak | boudiccas: its what I was told |
| 21:37.04 | cpufreak | not my words |
| 21:37.18 | boudiccas | lol |
| 22:38.38 | hali | silencio! |
| 22:42.48 | wethrin | yarr? |
| 22:43.32 | trousers_ | hali: Welcome to club silencio? :) |
| 22:45.28 | hali | we could start our own club silencio |
| 22:48.16 | goibhniu | hali: what are the rules? |
| 22:48.57 | hali | not sure, bring your own lube? |
| 22:49.20 | hali | i can't even remember what relevence club silencio had in the movie |
| 22:52.13 | trousers_ | Are there any good online guides for learning x86 assembly for Linux? |
| 22:52.47 | trousers_ | hali: The lesbian went there at night, or something. It's been a whike since I last watched it, and I was younger :) |
| 22:57.44 | wethrin | trousers_: Unlikely. I wouldn't ue Linux if you wanted x86 assembly |
| 22:57.48 | wethrin | *use |
| 23:01.48 | trousers_ | wethrin: Why not? |
| 23:02.06 | antiphase | Compilers are often better than people at writing assembler |
| 23:02.28 | antiphase | Unless you realy need to save space or time, it's not worth the effort |
| 23:04.04 | trousers_ | I want to play around with some reverse engineering of sorts. |
| 23:04.50 | hali | trousers_: get some cool embedded hardware and play with that |
| 23:06.39 | trousers_ | hali: I have some stuff, but x86 seems most useful. |
| 23:07.28 | antiphase | I don't think it's the friendliest variant to learn on, probaly the most use these days though |
| 23:08.48 | z00dax | hello |
| 23:08.59 | trousers_ | Evening z00dax. |
| 23:09.04 | z00dax | heya trousers_ |
| 23:09.09 | z00dax | are you going to come down on Sat ? |
| 23:10.17 | trousers_ | z00dax: Should do. |
| 23:13.52 | wethrin | trousers_: DOS is good if you want to learn assembly :) |
| 23:14.37 | z00dax | only if you want to learn x86 assembly |
| 23:14.44 | wethrin | Well, yes |
| 23:14.44 | z00dax | otherwise use linux for everything else ! |
| 23:14.50 | trousers_ | What about ARM? |
| 23:15.15 | z00dax | pass.. never done it - I hear its not as anal as x86 stuff - but who knows |
| 23:15.21 | z00dax | powerpc asm is cool :) |
| 23:15.45 | z00dax | well, atleast you get a sane set of registers and a very well featured backend to work on |
| 23:16.15 | trousers_ | I have a GP2X lying around, need to get all the gear back together :) |
| 23:20.15 | z00dax | migth as well (ab)use it then |
| 23:20.17 | z00dax | might |
| 23:21.01 | wethrin | Sparc is mostly hateful |
| 23:21.05 | wethrin | MIPS is rather lovely |
| 23:21.49 | z00dax | I've looked at sparc v8 asm, was quite pedantic |
| 23:21.57 | z00dax | silo! |
| 23:22.12 | wethrin | :) |
| 23:22.17 | wethrin | Assembler's always pedantic! |
| 23:22.24 | z00dax | true |
| 23:22.32 | z00dax | but its hard to get a bootloader started in anything else |
| 23:22.46 | wethrin | True |
| 23:22.56 | wethrin | That's why you write it in C, and let the compiler do the magic |
| 23:23.01 | z00dax | beyond that you need to be very very speed / performance challenged to use asm for anything else |
| 23:23.17 | wethrin | Often an optimising compiler will come out better |
| 23:23.46 | z00dax | xorg chaps still do some of their tweaks in asm |
| 23:24.01 | z00dax | but thankfully, they also include the non-tweaked code for people who dont use x86 |
| 23:24.23 | cpufreak | wethrin: sparc assembler is far nicer than x86 |
| 23:25.21 | wethrin | From the code I've seen it looks very brane-hurty to write |
| 23:25.53 | z00dax | so does anyone actually use Be ? and their adsl2 ? |
| 23:26.07 | antiphase | o/ |
| 23:26.16 | z00dax | any good ? |
| 23:26.22 | antiphase | Works for me |
| 23:26.38 | z00dax | i am really interested in the 1MB and 2.5MB U/l options |
| 23:27.13 | z00dax | although, i might first try the 1mb option to make sure i get decent speeds |
| 23:27.23 | antiphase | It may not be vanilla though, as it's handed off via a particular ISP which I may or may not work for. I don't know how it works fully |
| 23:27.46 | z00dax | antiphase: that didnt quite parse right, try again |
| 23:28.32 | antiphase | I don't know exactly how they hand off to the Internet, whether via multiple ISPs who can resell it or if they have their own network as well |
| 23:29.02 | z00dax | bethere ? I thought they had their own LLU stuff in place ? |
| 23:29.13 | z00dax | since no one else seems to be offering the same sort of speeds and network stuff |
| 23:29.25 | antiphase | I have Be local loop, but a Claranet IP address |
| 23:29.51 | z00dax | nice |
| 23:30.03 | cpufreak | r |
| 23:30.05 | cpufreak | clarabe pwns |
| 23:30.22 | cpufreak | probably ought to get it cancelled seeing as I'm expatting |
| 23:30.33 | z00dax | humm |
| 23:30.42 | wethrin | You're off out the country? Where to? |
| 23:30.45 | z00dax | ok, and what sort of downtime am i looking at to migrate from plus.net to be/ |
| 23:30.47 | cpufreak | holland \o/ |
| 23:30.52 | wethrin | yay? |
| 23:30.54 | z00dax | cpufreak: no really. where |
| 23:30.56 | cpufreak | z00dax: is your plus.net llu? |
| 23:30.56 | wethrin | More ISP work over there? |
| 23:31.04 | cpufreak | z00dax: leiden |
| 23:31.12 | cpufreak | wethrin: no, a small iptv startup |
| 23:31.21 | wethrin | Cool! Good luck with that! |
| 23:31.27 | cpufreak | it should be good |
| 23:31.31 | cpufreak | you might hear of it one day |
| 23:31.48 | cpufreak | www.joost.com |
| 23:31.49 | wethrin | I rarely hear of things |
| 23:31.57 | wethrin | joost - name's familiar from somewhere |
| 23:32.02 | cpufreak | thought so |
| 23:32.03 | cpufreak | :p |
| 23:32.30 | wethrin | Still can't quite place where, though |
| 23:32.34 | z00dax | isnt that the same bunch of guys who did skype ? |
| 23:32.41 | z00dax | I read about this in Wired was it ? |
| 23:32.45 | cpufreak | well |
| 23:32.49 | cpufreak | the founders are the same |
| 23:33.19 | z00dax | ok |
| 23:33.33 | cpufreak | and they've provided the financial backing |
| 23:33.37 | wethrin | z00dax: Should I send a reminder email about the meeting tomorrow? |
| 23:33.48 | cpufreak | when is the meeting? |
| 23:33.56 | wethrin | 1.30pm |
| 23:33.58 | z00dax | wethrin: the meeting is tomorrow ? i thought it was the day after |
| 23:34.06 | cpufreak | tomorrow? |
| 23:34.07 | cpufreak | or saturday |
| 23:34.12 | cpufreak | am in holland tomorrow, back tomorrow night |
| 23:34.14 | wethrin | Meeting's on Saturday |
| 23:34.17 | cpufreak | ah |
| 23:34.21 | wethrin | Should I send a reminder email tomorrow |
| 23:34.29 | cpufreak | depending on how work goes on saturday @betfair, I may or may not be able to make that |
| 23:34.29 | z00dax | oh yea, that would be cool |
| 23:34.36 | cpufreak | send it to the social list too please |
| 23:34.38 | wethrin | English-- # not precise |
| 23:34.39 | cpufreak | as I'm not on the main one |
| 23:34.50 | wethrin | Are you on the -announce list? |
| 23:35.06 | cpufreak | English++ # innuendos |
| 23:35.09 | cpufreak | nope |
| 23:35.15 | cpufreak | just bounce a copy to andy@bash.sh |
| 23:35.16 | cpufreak | please :D |
| 23:35.51 | cpufreak | cba signign up to a list when i'm emmigrating |
| 23:36.13 | wethrin | Messages bounced to you |
| 23:36.17 | wethrin | (there's two of 'em) |
| 23:36.22 | cpufreak | danke |
| 23:36.35 | wethrin | bitte |
| 23:36.53 | cpufreak | hrm, not David Harris as in ElectricElf? |
| 23:36.54 | z00dax | btw, does anyone use an open source ETL ? |
| 23:36.55 | cpufreak | another one I presume |
| 23:37.17 | wethrin | cpufreak: No, as in Geeklawyer |
| 23:37.21 | cpufreak | ok |
| 23:37.48 | cpufreak | I should probably have done more than just glance at the names |
| 23:37.53 | cpufreak | cheers - will try and turn up |
| 23:38.01 | cpufreak | anywya, bed now, flight in 6.5hrs |
| 23:38.06 | wethrin | night! |
| 23:38.19 | trousers_ | G'night cpufreak. |
| 23:43.18 | z00dax | nite |