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| 04:12.50 | morsing | Leeds! |
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| 06:12.31 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 06:17.57 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 06:24.05 | morsing | ibot wake Leeds |
| 06:24.15 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on Leeds and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 06:34.33 | morsing | Anyone here using Monster? |
| 06:41.37 | morsing | Wahey - It's RICHARD!!!! :D |
| 07:51.50 | morsing | Leeds!!! |
| 08:01.09 | boudiccas | seems like Leeds has got his deaf ears on :( |
| 08:05.00 | adb_ | hi morsing |
| 08:05.58 | morsing | adb_! |
| 08:06.05 | morsing | boudiccas: He's ignoring me... |
| 08:19.17 | boudiccas | perhaps he's finally got a gf and is therfore afk |
| 08:21.40 | antiphase | Or at the pie shop |
| 08:21.42 | morsing | boudiccas: Salsaman is the best! |
| 08:22.02 | morsing | adb_: How are you? |
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| 08:37.07 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
| 08:37.09 | morsing | niv_one_three! |
| 08:37.49 | niv_one_three | hi |
| 08:37.53 | niv_one_three | wasup? |
| 08:39.23 | morsing | Not much |
| 08:54.07 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 09:06.18 | morsing | boudiccas: Why's TwoSheds upset? |
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| 09:09.02 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 09:09.12 | goibhniu | morsing! |
| 09:11.46 | morsing | goibhniu: Why's TwoSheds upset? |
| 09:13.05 | goibhniu | TwoSheds needs to feel appreciated |
| 09:13.32 | morsing | I appriciate him :( |
| 09:14.54 | goibhniu | morsing: unfortunately, that doesn't matter ... he needs to *feel* appreciated |
| 09:15.39 | morsing | Well, he always says "No physical contact!" to me so I can't even hug him :( |
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| 09:19.16 | morsing | chris-! |
| 09:25.10 | morsing | ibot wake wethrin |
| 09:25.23 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on wethrin and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 09:33.13 | goibhniu | morsing: sometimes a man just needs some time on his own, some distance |
| 09:40.24 | morsing | goibhniu: Well, yes |
| 09:40.26 | morsing | ? |
| 09:46.57 | morsing | Is there such a name as Payman? Can't really make it out from the voicemail... |
| 09:48.07 | morsing | goibhniu? |
| 09:50.39 | goibhniu | morsing: when I find myself in such a conundrum I just ask myself "what would chesney hawkes do?" |
| 09:51.00 | antiphase | Probably burst in a flood of pus |
| 09:51.13 | morsing | Bagpus? |
| 09:54.45 | bilarh | if i have a server with 4 gigs of mem and 4 64-bit x86 cpu's, what would good values be for java opts on a tomcat box as a general rule? |
| 09:55.00 | bilarh | at the moment, i have this: -XX:MaxPermSize=256m -XX:PermSize=64m -XX:+UseConcMarkSweepGC -XX:NewSize=256M -Xms1024M -Xmx1024M -Xss512k -Djava.library.path=/opt/oracle/product/instantclient |
| 09:55.23 | bilarh | any obvious errors there? |
| 09:55.35 | antiphase | You're using Java :P |
| 09:55.56 | bilarh | apart from that :) |
| 09:55.56 | wethrin | morsing: ?? |
| 10:01.24 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 10:01.40 | morsing | bilarh: Upgrade to WebSphere |
| 10:02.51 | bilarh | no, i need to stay on tomcat and linux |
| 10:03.18 | wethrin | hi morsing |
| 10:03.24 | wethrin | What can I do for you? |
| 10:03.27 | bilarh | would a smaller Xss make the app faster? |
| 10:03.47 | morsing | wethrin: Beer |
| 10:04.52 | antiphase | Suck it and see |
| 10:05.09 | wethrin | Ooh, beer |
| 10:05.22 | morsing | wethrin: How are you? |
| 10:05.36 | bilarh | actually, i'm a bit confused as to what JAVA+OPTS does and what CATALINA_OPTS does? |
| 10:05.41 | bilarh | i mean what the diff is? |
| 10:05.45 | bilarh | for a standard tomcat build? |
| 10:05.54 | wethrin | morsing: Okay. Need to keep myself busy today :) |
| 10:08.25 | morsing | Me too. |
| 10:08.27 | morsing | Mmm... Job |
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| 10:15.15 | morsing | keithlard_! |
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| 10:21.00 | morsing | Cope__! |
| 10:22.22 | hali | bilarh: java5? |
| 10:22.33 | hali | i presume so |
| 10:22.58 | hali | if thats all that is running i'd increase Xmx and Xms to a bit more... 50% of ram or s |
| 10:23.01 | hali | so* |
| 10:23.51 | hali | and is there a good reason to increase the stack size? |
| 10:31.24 | hali | and if it is a 2+ core box i'd set ParallellGC as well |
| 10:38.08 | bilarh | the stack size stops the app crashing, essentially :-) |
| 10:38.20 | bilarh | if i set it to say 128k, it just keeps dying horribly |
| 10:41.44 | hali | okay, i can see that being a "good reason" :) |
| 10:41.52 | niv_one_three | oh leave him in peace. probably been drinking last night... |
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| 10:46.43 | morsing | Cope! |
| 10:49.29 | bilarh | parallelGc seems to perform worse than ConcMarkSweepGC |
| 10:53.00 | hali | +UseParNewGC is also worth a try :) |
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| 11:26.44 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 11:27.58 | dick_turpin | morsing: "hey good looking, what ya got cooking? how about cooking something up for me?" :-) |
| 11:28.46 | morsing | Beer |
| 11:29.29 | dick_turpin | morsing: An illicit stil ay? you can go to jail for that |
| 11:30.13 | dick_turpin | still |
| 11:33.02 | morsing | Nice |
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| 11:50.52 | morsing | flips_and_rails! |
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| 11:58.49 | morsing | ceronman! |
| 12:00.56 | ceronman | morsing! |
| 12:03.03 | morsing | ibot ceronman |
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| 12:03.34 | ceronman | :P |
| 12:07.08 | morsing | Cope! |
| 12:08.45 | Leeds | pub quiz time! |
| 12:12.26 | morsing | Nice |
| 12:12.28 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 12:23.20 | morsing | ping wethrin |
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| 12:27.59 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 12:28.16 | catalyst | morsing! :) |
| 12:28.40 | catalyst | does anyone here know of any lawyers who do good service for small software businesses? |
| 12:29.38 | morsing | Dave Harris? |
| 12:35.53 | morsing | http://www.ss396.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=chevellecamino&Product_Code=ALI-2228&Category_Code=FUELANDEXHAUST |
| 12:38.23 | catalyst | "David B. Harris is a Canadian lawyer. He is the former chief of strategic planning for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service. Now working as a consultant, he is a regular commentator on issues of terrorism. He is currently a Senior Fellow for Terrorism and National Security at the Canadian Coalition for Democracies." |
| 12:38.29 | catalyst | I guess not him |
| 12:39.58 | morsing | wethrin: Is that him? |
| 12:40.04 | morsing | catalyst: He lives in Harrogate |
| 12:40.35 | catalyst | actually I just searched for Dave Harris lawyer on google ;) |
| 12:41.39 | catalyst | there are many people in the world named David Harris :) |
| 12:43.14 | morsing | Is there? |
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| 12:45.10 | morsing | eeyore! |
| 12:56.42 | morsing | ibot dave harris |
| 12:57.01 | morsing | catalyst: If not I can help you out |
| 12:58.40 | morsing | catalyst!? |
| 12:58.57 | morsing | ibot Dave Harris is a lawyer from Harrogate |
| 12:59.08 | ibot | okay, morsing |
| 13:05.41 | catalyst | morsing: that'd be nice :) |
| 13:05.49 | catalyst | but right now I think I should get back to work /o\ |
| 13:08.12 | wethrin | morsing: Not him |
| 13:08.28 | morsing | wethrin: No? |
| 13:08.38 | wethrin | www.geeklawyer.org |
| 13:08.40 | morsing | ibot Dave Harris |
| 13:08.52 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, dave harris is a lawyer from Harrogate |
| 13:09.14 | morsing | wethrin: Are you taking the piss? |
| 13:09.16 | wethrin | ~geeklawyer |
| 13:10.32 | wethrin | http://blog.geeklawyer.org/about-geeklawyer/ |
| 13:13.08 | catalyst | that looks sort of like what I'm after, thanks |
| 13:13.33 | morsing | He's from Harrogate you know |
| 13:13.41 | catalyst | I see |
| 13:14.01 | catalyst | except now I see that page is somewhat taking the piss |
| 13:14.02 | catalyst | hmm |
| 13:14.18 | morsing | Is it? |
| 13:14.26 | morsing | I don't think it is |
| 13:14.36 | catalyst | Geeklawyer’s hobbies are karate, freefall parachuting, motorcycles, Linux/geeky computer stuff and using the apostrophe incompetently. His fondest wish is for trial by combat to be reintroduced into the English legal system. |
| 13:14.47 | morsing | Yes?! |
| 13:14.52 | catalyst | XD |
| 13:14.54 | morsing | He's got a good sense of humour |
| 13:14.57 | morsing | XD? |
| 13:14.59 | morsing | ibot XD |
| 13:15.00 | ibot | xD is a one-eyed, stoned, shit-eating grin, or a really funny smily face like :) but better |
| 13:16.08 | catalyst | anyhow, I need to go do work, so see you guys later o/ |
| 13:16.24 | morsing | What's this "work" he keeps going on about? |
| 13:16.39 | catalyst | university degree |
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| 13:29.19 | morsing | eeyore! |
| 13:29.59 | boudiccas | morsing; you scared him off!!!! |
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| 13:30.19 | morsing | Can't believe the lottery site's still down! Wake up TwoSheds... |
| 13:30.26 | morsing | Cope! |
| 13:30.54 | morsing | Cope: What are the chances TwoSheds' still coming over for dinner tonight? |
| 13:31.01 | boudiccas | morsing; who is 'TwoSheds' and why is he called that??? |
| 13:36.46 | morsing | TwoSheds is a friend who is an application specialist at Camelot. He is called TwoSheds because of this: http://www.morsing.cc/TwoSheds_why.jpg |
| 13:37.12 | bilarh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TwoSheds |
| 13:38.33 | bilarh | hehe: twosheds.com |
| 13:38.38 | bilarh | NWS!! |
| 13:40.27 | antiphase | wtf is an application specialist, beyond the obvious pedantic answer |
| 13:40.50 | bilarh | someone who knows more than your average joe about an application? |
| 13:40.56 | antiphase | That's almost as bad as "Waste Management Engineer" |
| 13:41.05 | bilarh | i'm a 'cd application specialist' |
| 13:41.18 | wethrin | I know how to change directories? |
| 13:41.21 | bilarh | yeah :) |
| 13:41.31 | bilarh | wethrin's a cd application specialist also |
| 13:41.41 | bilarh | although, i guess cd is really a function of the shell :) |
| 13:46.21 | wethrin | Right.....need speakers for another gllug meeting. Suggestions? |
| 13:46.44 | antiphase | Richer Sounds |
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| 13:50.31 | goibhniu | wethrin: thanks for sorting out the LUG on Saturday ... it was brilliant |
| 13:50.38 | goibhniu | z00dax: thank you also |
| 13:51.12 | wethrin | Thanks :) |
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| 13:58.20 | bilarh | anyone know how much slower tomcat is at serving static content than apache? |
| 13:59.26 | SlayerXP | bilarh: this much slower <-------> |
| 13:59.29 | SlayerXP | (not to scale) |
| 14:01.22 | bilarh | hehe |
| 14:01.55 | morsing | bilarh: Even better: http://www.ilovetwosheds.com/ |
| 14:02.11 | bilarh | *must* *not* *click* *link* |
| 14:02.25 | morsing | antiphase: You're weird |
| 14:02.27 | bilarh | ooh, but it's so underlined |
| 14:02.32 | bilarh | and pretty |
| 14:02.37 | cpufreak | morsing: you've only just realised that? :p |
| 14:02.38 | bilarh | the blue line underneath |
| 14:03.01 | morsing | cpufreak: No - I have been polite |
| 14:03.16 | bilarh | antiphase has a point about "waste management engineer" though :-) |
| 14:03.45 | cpufreak | I hate people who use titles they're not entitled to. |
| 14:03.49 | cpufreak | Heating Engineers with no qualifications |
| 14:04.19 | morsing | Can they heat? |
| 14:04.49 | bilarh | engineer is a bit of a funny one nowadays |
| 14:05.10 | bilarh | everyone who knows what a screw driver is an engineer nowadays |
| 14:05.11 | cpufreak | anyone know any c# or java developers looking for work? |
| 14:05.28 | bilarh | including bar staff |
| 14:06.44 | bilarh | aah, fuck it, i'm leaving the static content in tomcat... if it's not falling over on windows all the time, i'm sure it'll be fine in linux with three times the horse power |
| 14:07.00 | cpufreak | wtf you doing putting horses in a server |
| 14:07.23 | bilarh | i've got very small ponies that fit the chassies |
| 14:07.37 | bilarh | i've got alan to feed them hay every so often |
| 14:08.32 | bilarh | i can count the cups of coffee i've had today on one hand |
| 14:08.38 | bilarh | if i loop across it |
| 14:10.25 | cpufreak | I saw some horses at lunchtime |
| 14:11.04 | cpufreak | when walking fi back to her office |
| 14:11.35 | morsing | bilarh: Nice :) |
| 14:11.43 | bilarh | morsing: the horses? |
| 14:11.58 | bilarh | i saw a bunch of old mares on the tube, does that count? :) |
| 14:12.13 | bilarh | and where is fi's office? out in hemel hempstead? :) |
| 14:12.48 | morsing | bilarh: The cawfy |
| 14:13.21 | bilarh | ah, yes, but it's mostly defaceinated |
| 14:13.34 | bilarh | decaf'd even |
| 14:13.47 | bilarh | decaffeinated? |
| 14:14.00 | bilarh | decaf+einated :) |
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| 14:17.44 | morsing | ceronma1! |
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| 14:20.13 | morsing | niv_one_three! |
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| 14:25.54 | morsing | Tarragon! |
| 14:26.00 | morsing | Tarragon: I can't believe you came :) |
| 14:29.07 | Tarragon | I managed to shout at enough people this morning, that i have lost my voice, so I have nothing else to do, but shout at them by email and they are ignoring that. |
| 14:30.45 | morsing | Nice |
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| 14:40.43 | morsing | Jasperw! |
| 14:40.43 | morsing | gethoper! |
| 14:40.43 | Tarragon | Anyone know of a good text explaining ipmp under Solaris? |
| 14:41.13 | cpufreak | there's loads of good ones on sunsolve |
| 14:46.47 | Tarragon | I am after something that explains why the app points to a physical interface and not the virtual. I would have thought it easier to just generate a new virtual rather than moving the physical Ip to another physical interface. |
| 14:48.59 | cpufreak | see in Solaris 10 you can do things the way you want to, assuming your devices have nemo drivers |
| 14:49.03 | cpufreak | using the link aggregation stuff |
| 14:49.11 | cpufreak | see the man page for dladm |
| 14:49.23 | cpufreak | it does LACP stuff, rather tham multipathing |
| 14:49.31 | cpufreak | s/tham/than/ |
| 14:49.38 | cpufreak | and deals with link failures quite well |
| 14:55.54 | rhowe | http://siksai.co.uk/~rhowe/thailand/ |
| 14:57.08 | morsing | rhowe: Why are you ignoring me? |
| 14:57.17 | rhowe | morsing: 'cause I'm in Thailand |
| 15:01.04 | morsing | rhowe: You suck |
| 15:02.06 | cpufreak | looks like a lady, its a chap, uhuh, ladyboys </alan partridge> |
| 15:03.55 | antiphase | God created Adam and Eve; he didn't create Adam and Steve |
| 15:06.47 | morsing | Mmm... Steve |
| 15:15.12 | Tarragon | No. that has to be a girl. |
| 15:16.26 | morsing | Mmm... Goons |
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| 16:00.32 | wethrin | Tarragon! |
| 16:03.35 | bilarh | mmm, cookies! |
| 16:03.42 | bilarh | and sossidges! |
| 16:04.11 | Tarragon | wethrin: ! |
| 16:04.36 | bilarh | is the link above worth a click? |
| 16:04.45 | bilarh | good enough to get fired for? :) |
| 16:05.30 | wethrin | Tarragon: You missed a good Gllug meeting! |
| 16:21.26 | Tarragon | Unfortunately, I was taking part in the Sheffield openstreetmapping party. |
| 16:26.27 | wethrin | Fah |
| 16:33.35 | Tarragon | two days of running around a city trying to get a decent signal. |
| 16:34.05 | wethrin | Did you manage? |
| 16:39.29 | Tarragon | eventually. Not as easy to create the maps as we thought, but overall it was good fun. Still would have preferred to be at Gllug though. |
| 16:41.20 | wethrin | Ahh well. Next time... |
| 16:44.48 | Tarragon | yes |
| 16:44.52 | Tarragon | OK goota go |
| 16:44.59 | wethrin | later! |
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| 17:10.39 | wethrin | keef! |
| 17:20.25 | gregj | trailing means that something's up front, what's the word for something that's at the back/end ? |
| 17:20.37 | gregj | Ending ? |
| 17:20.38 | gregj | :> |
| 17:20.47 | [Clive] | bleeding edge? |
| 17:21.00 | gregj | :} |
| 17:21.27 | [Clive] | trailing is following behind |
| 17:22.19 | gregj | so what's the word for stuff that's in the front ? |
| 17:23.15 | boudiccas | forefront ??? |
| 17:23.30 | antiphase | leading????? |
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| 19:27.23 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 19:28.15 | morsing | boudiccas: TwoSheds' here. We just went to a classy chinese restaurent and we're going to watch Thunderbolt and Lightfoot now |
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| 19:30.41 | morsing | Jasperw! |
| 19:32.07 | boudiccas | morsing; but why are you called 'TwoSheds'??? |
| 19:39.42 | boudiccas | morsing; and why are you telling me all this? am i really that nosy?? |
| 20:09.08 | wethrin | morsing: pong? |
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| 21:53.16 | hali | hmmmmmm |
| 21:54.31 | wethrin | hi |
| 21:54.36 | hali | Hllo |
| 21:54.38 | hali | +e |
| 21:54.44 | hali | -beer |
| 22:00.59 | hali | isn't Emma one of the most beautiful names ever?? |
| 22:02.15 | catalyst | I always associate it with Essex girls /o\ |
| 22:02.39 | wethrin | beer! |
| 22:04.49 | hali | ugh, i despise the generall "essex type" |
| 22:05.43 | hali | one of the downsides of working in soho, one sees the difference between a wednesday and a friday :/ |
| 22:06.27 | hali | thank god its tuesday |
| 22:08.25 | catalyst | heh :) |
| 22:09.35 | hali | Cope: omg |
| 22:09.42 | hali | Cope: you know joel |
| 22:09.58 | hali | linkedin shows it's powers |
| 22:10.07 | hali | everyone actually knows everyone |
| 22:10.40 | clive-h | To some extent |
| 22:11.17 | hali | indeed |
| 22:12.13 | clive-h | The *ix world is very small really |
| 22:12.55 | hali | i would say the evil perl mongers world in this case :) |
| 22:13.12 | clive-h | I must go to a london.pm meet one day |
| 22:13.17 | catalyst | hmm, just out of interest, what sort of salaries do people earn? (just curious, I'm thinking of starting a business :)) |
| 22:13.26 | catalyst | s/people/you guys/ |
| 22:13.42 | catalyst | regextastic |
| 22:13.54 | clive-h | I'm looking for around 40K for a sysadmin role |
| 22:14.01 | hali | morsing: you're linked in right? |
| 22:14.18 | hali | i can't say im a fan over the london.pm stuff |
| 22:14.20 | clive-h | But I've been doing that for years and years |
| 22:14.28 | hali | all weird and mostly about smoking dope |
| 22:14.59 | clive-h | yeuww drugs |
| 22:15.11 | hali | i think a good unix/linux admin in london can make 40k+ easily these days |
| 22:15.23 | catalyst | clive-h: hrm, apparently £20K is fairly standard for graduates entering engineering industries |
| 22:15.24 | hali | even outside the finance industriy |
| 22:15.28 | hali | +spelling |
| 22:15.31 | clive-h | I'm 50 |
| 22:15.46 | hali | people think I'm 50 |
| 22:15.54 | catalyst | I'm 20 and crazy :) |
| 22:16.03 | clive-h | I've 26 years in IT |
| 22:16.05 | hali | usually because i rant about VMS and how SystemV is bad :) |
| 22:16.14 | clive-h | and about 15 in unix |
| 22:16.35 | hali | im 25 and got 13 years unix |
| 22:16.41 | hali | indirectly :) |
| 22:16.53 | hali | i grew up on a sun 3/60 workstation |
| 22:17.25 | clive-h | I didn't have a personal computer till I was 25 |
| 22:17.56 | hali | probably because there where no personal computers until then? :) |
| 22:18.01 | clive-h | Indeed |
| 22:18.25 | clive-h | I have a SS1 |
| 22:18.48 | clive-h | I can't bring myself to sell it or bin it |
| 22:19.17 | clive-h | But I'm unlikely to power it on again |
| 22:19.27 | hali | i moved from the 3/60 to an IPX, ss1 but in a cooler chassis |
| 22:19.36 | hali | doorstops own :) |
| 22:19.47 | clive-h | IPX was more SS2 than SS! |
| 22:19.50 | clive-h | SS1 |
| 22:19.55 | clive-h | I have one too |
| 22:20.04 | hali | yeah it was a bit faster |
| 22:20.45 | clive-h | My current sparcs are a U5,U10, and a U2 |
| 22:20.57 | hali | and had the cgsix :) |
| 22:22.18 | wethrin | I got rid of my IPX when it stopped working |
| 22:22.18 | wethrin | And my SS20 has stopped working too |
| 22:22.18 | hali | can't say much about the u5 or u20, but the u2 really kicked som butt |
| 22:22.18 | hali | some' |
| 22:22.41 | wethrin | So now I've got 3 U5s (of my own), a U60, U1, E4k |
| 22:22.41 | clive-h | My u2 has 1Gb RAM |
| 22:22.42 | hali | my penis is very long |
| 22:22.42 | wethrin | My E4k only has about 3.5GB |
| 22:23.48 | clive-h | I like the U10 it's handy |
| 22:24.11 | wethrin | Indeed. But the U5 sits nicely on a rack shelf |
| 22:24.16 | hali | u10's are alright if they got scsi |
| 22:24.26 | wethrin | Depends on the task |
| 22:24.26 | hali | the ide implementation on u5/10 is horrible |
| 22:24.36 | wethrin | Yes, so don't do anything disk-intensive, and they're fine |
| 22:24.48 | wethrin | One of my U5s is acting as a firewall and backup DNS server |
| 22:24.53 | wethrin | Doesn't need fast disk for that |
| 22:25.04 | wethrin | Using one as a database server would be silly :) |
| 22:25.24 | wethrin | Although ex-orkplace did use some U5s for test dbs |
| 22:26.36 | hali | i've seen oracle on sun x1's (u5 in 1U chassis) and i tell you, that was not fun :) |
| 22:26.57 | clive-h | Yeah that would be nasty |
| 22:27.24 | clive-h | I'm talking about home machines |
| 22:27.37 | hali | yeah, i wouldn't minde a u10 if i had the space |
| 22:27.41 | hali | -e |
| 22:28.22 | clive-h | Mostly I put linux on x86 boxes at home |
| 22:28.47 | hali | i got spoiled when i installed vmware server |
| 22:28.52 | hali | it's pretty sweet |
| 22:28.59 | clive-h | But I do have some ppc machines running OS X |
| 22:29.02 | hali | everything on one box |
| 22:29.32 | clive-h | and vax vms under simh |
| 22:29.54 | clive-h | and various IBM pses under hercules |
| 22:29.59 | clive-h | oses |
| 22:30.07 | hali | i tried simh but never got it working properly, it kept core dumping |
| 22:30.27 | clive-h | works fine here |
| 22:34.01 | clive-h | I'd like a copy of OpenSCL too |
| 22:34.25 | clive-h | I used to do ICL VME system management |
| 22:35.34 | hali | on 39's? :) |
| 22:35.39 | hali | those where the days :) |
| 22:35.43 | hali | i was about -5 years old :) |
| 22:35.52 | clive-h | 2900s then 3900s |
| 22:36.40 | clive-h | It was part of my job |
| 22:46.23 | wethrin | I never had a problem with simh - just compiled and ran |
| 22:47.16 | wethrin | I should set up my GigE Cisco switch at some point |
| 22:58.19 | gw280 | woot, agk_'s on facebook |
| 22:58.37 | wethrin | Really? |
| 22:58.41 | gw280 | yeah |
| 22:58.42 | wethrin | Since when? |
| 22:58.46 | gw280 | dunno |
| 22:58.49 | gw280 | can't friend him though |
| 22:58.50 | wethrin | HAve you been hunting for him? |
| 22:58.55 | wethrin | no? |
| 22:59.04 | gw280 | just bloody search |
| 22:59.24 | wethrin | Yeah, will do |
| 23:00.18 | clive-h | Oh where's that on? |
| 23:00.28 | gw280 | my wall |
| 23:00.34 | clive-h | ahhh |
| 23:00.45 | clive-h | I have the book |
| 23:01.14 | clive-h | Excellent series |
| 23:07.00 | *** join/#gllug bilarh_ (n=henrik@82-68-33-30.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 23:12.52 | wethrin | Yes Minister++ |
| 23:15.24 | gw280 | wethrin-- |
| 23:15.43 | wethrin | What? |
| 23:15.58 | wethrin | I could friend agk on Facebook |
| 23:16.10 | gw280 | what?? |
| 23:16.27 | gw280 | maybe because you're in the ox network |
| 23:16.51 | wethrin | Ahhh......possibly. I win! |
