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| 06:07.59 | morsing | hali: Yes |
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| 06:11.40 | morsing | ping boudiccas |
| 06:17.14 | morsing | ping Leeds |
| 06:22.00 | morsing | ibot wake Leeds |
| 06:22.09 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on Leeds and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 06:43.42 | Leeds | what? |
| 06:44.11 | morsing | How are you? |
| 06:45.28 | Leeds | worried about work |
| 06:46.49 | Leeds | you? |
| 06:51.35 | morsing | Me too |
| 06:51.41 | morsing | These job agents are vultures |
| 06:52.12 | morsing | Why can't they give me a day or two to think if I want to go to an interview or if I want to accept a job offer :( |
| 06:55.26 | Leeds | I'm sick of people complaining about how many offers they've got |
| 06:56.26 | morsing | Move back to England. Or specialise in AIX |
| 07:03.22 | Leeds | or marry someone with a visa |
| 07:06.55 | morsing | Jasmine? Has she accepted? |
| 07:07.07 | morsing | Carly's looking for a new (rich) husband... |
| 07:08.24 | morsing | Interested? |
| 07:08.29 | Leeds | no |
| 07:08.31 | Leeds | she's mad |
| 07:09.17 | morsing | :) |
| 07:09.24 | morsing | She's cuddky though...? |
| 07:09.30 | morsing | s/cuddky/cuddly/ |
| 07:10.13 | morsing | ibot wake boudiccas |
| 07:10.28 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on boudiccas and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 07:16.50 | boudiccas | morsing; morning |
| 07:16.53 | morsing | boudiccas: :) |
| 07:17.10 | boudiccas | why are you called 'twosheds'??? |
| 07:17.19 | morsing | I'm not! My friend is |
| 07:17.26 | morsing | And I told you why yesterday? |
| 07:17.26 | boudiccas | why??? |
| 07:17.34 | boudiccas | didnt see it |
| 07:17.51 | morsing | http://www.morsing.cc/TwoSheds_why.jpg |
| 07:18.07 | morsing | boudiccas: You're not a big Monty Python fan I take it? |
| 07:18.31 | boudiccas | yes, but i dont remember 'twosheds' |
| 07:18.49 | morsing | Right, Google for "Arthur Twosheds Jackson" |
| 07:19.07 | morsing | http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Scripts/ArthurTwoShedsJackson |
| 07:19.59 | boudiccas | lol ... i see now |
| 07:25.35 | morsing | Yes, make yourself scarce, "Two Sheds". This studio isn't big enough |
| 07:25.35 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.39 | morsing | :) |
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| 07:33.55 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
| 07:34.03 | SlayerXP | re |
| 07:34.46 | morsing | Really funny thing is that TwoSheds' actually been thinking about buying a third shed! (Seriously) |
| 07:36.06 | morsing | Get your own Arts programme, you fairy! |
| 07:36.08 | morsing | :) |
| 07:39.23 | morsing | SlayerXP: How are you? |
| 07:40.54 | SlayerXP | somewhat pissed off |
| 07:42.15 | morsing | Nice |
| 07:42.23 | morsing | Why? |
| 07:43.02 | SlayerXP | various complicated reasons |
| 07:43.08 | morsing | Tax? |
| 07:43.21 | morsing | Did you get done for not prominently displaying your company name? |
| 07:44.29 | SlayerXP | no, I still don't beleive I'm required to |
| 07:45.03 | morsing | You are... |
| 07:45.58 | SlayerXP | the relevant section of legislation is....? |
| 07:50.02 | morsing | Search for prominently: |
| 07:50.02 | morsing | http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/onelife/legal/the_law/corp.shtml |
| 07:50.27 | morsing | http://www.gov.im/fsc/companies/companiesinformation.xml |
| 07:51.50 | morsing | SlayerXP: Go here: |
| 07:51.51 | morsing | http://www.nutsforneon.com/ |
| 07:51.58 | morsing | And you're sorted |
| 07:52.25 | SlayerXP | "All companies have to: 'prominently display' the company name, address and type of business at: |
| 07:52.25 | SlayerXP | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.26 | SlayerXP | " |
| 07:52.46 | SlayerXP | i'd have to display the logo on the front of 4 racks in various datacentres |
| 07:54.06 | SlayerXP | you're thinking in terms of a business where people can turn up and visit |
| 07:54.20 | SlayerXP | that's N/A for the vast majority of contractors |
| 07:58.45 | morsing | No - it's at the business address |
| 07:58.52 | morsing | You're not exempt |
| 07:59.22 | morsing | SlayerXP: You suck! |
| 08:10.33 | SlayerXP | *shrug* it's been 5 years. I doubt anyone actually cares. |
| 08:11.35 | morsing | I still think a massive neon-sign is the way to go... |
| 08:12.10 | sabinef72 | morning ! |
| 08:14.41 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 08:15.21 | SlayerXP | la chaud femme francais! |
| 08:15.32 | morsing | Mmm... Chaud |
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| 08:19.57 | morsing | mumperer! |
| 08:20.16 | mumperer | morsing! :) |
| 08:20.52 | mumperer | luvverly sunny day! |
| 08:20.56 | morsing | Indeed |
| 08:21.09 | morsing | Mr. Jackson, I think, with respect, we ought to return to the |
| 08:21.09 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.08 | mumperer | Found bad things on the web last night: villainous sadsacks are building an eyesore bridge across the old Taw estuary at Barnstaple! |
| 08:23.52 | bilarh | ibot change 599 USD to GBP |
| 08:24.00 | bilarh | ibot change 599 usd to gbp |
| 08:25.04 | mumperer | orrite - so what's this symphony then? |
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| 08:25.09 | morsing | asht_007! |
| 08:25.41 | morsing | Yes, a little. Good Lord! You're the man who interviewed Sir Edward |
| 08:25.41 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:25.46 | asht_007 | hey morsing |
| 08:25.59 | asht_007 | u any good with mysql master slave replication |
| 08:26.08 | morsing | No# |
| 08:26.17 | asht_007 | ah |
| 08:29.26 | morsing | Then you'll be Arthur 'No Sheds' Jackson, eh? |
| 08:31.08 | morsing | morsing: You suck! |
| 08:31.11 | morsing | morsing: I know |
| 08:35.15 | bilarh | i love it when we're "going live" and then "not going live" |
| 08:35.17 | bilarh | five times :) |
| 08:41.15 | morsing | Nice |
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| 08:56.47 | morsing | niv_one_three! |
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| 09:14.33 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 09:14.59 | goibhniu | morsing! |
| 09:33.06 | morsing | Check it! |
| 09:44.08 | morsing | Mmm... My colleagues filling just fell ou tonto his desk... Nice |
| 09:44.58 | goibhniu | his filling? like his giblets? |
| 09:45.08 | goibhniu | morsing: he may have ebola |
| 09:49.16 | morsing | Nice |
| 09:49.22 | morsing | ibot giblets |
| 09:49.42 | morsing | goibhniu: No - from his teeth |
| 09:50.49 | goibhniu | ~wiki giblets |
| 09:51.32 | bilarh | ~wiki ibot |
| 09:51.48 | Leeds | ~wiki wiki |
| 09:52.37 | goibhniu | ibot your cover has been blown! |
| 09:52.41 | bilarh | ~wiki spam |
| 09:53.33 | bilarh | ibot calculate 370 * 1.175 |
| 09:53.50 | bilarh | :( |
| 09:53.58 | Leeds | ibot 370 * 1.175 |
| 09:53.59 | ibot | 434.75 |
| 09:54.05 | morsing | ibot 45*87 |
| 09:54.07 | ibot | 3915 |
| 09:54.13 | Leeds | ibot sqr(-1) |
| 09:54.14 | morsing | ibot 3*Leeds |
| 09:55.55 | bilarh | ibot 1 / 0 |
| 09:56.01 | goibhniu | Leeds: ibot obviously has very little imagination |
| 09:56.05 | morsing | ibot**ibot |
| 09:56.13 | morsing | ibot: You suck |
| 09:56.14 | ibot | no, *you* suck! |
| 09:56.17 | goibhniu | ibot why |
| 09:56.18 | ibot | Because! |
| 09:56.18 | morsing | :) |
| 09:56.24 | morsing | ibot 42 |
| 09:56.25 | ibot | methinks 42 is the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything |
| 09:56.37 | goibhniu | ibot Chesney Hawkes |
| 09:58.51 | morsing | ibot Dave Harris |
| 09:58.53 | ibot | methinks dave harris is a lawyer from Harrogate |
| 10:01.10 | wethrin | heh |
| 10:03.57 | bilarh | ibot bilarh |
| 10:04.09 | ibot | [bilarh] making a fool of himself, as usual, or mad, or a java monkey and abuses log4j |
| 10:04.18 | bilarh | !! |
| 10:06.37 | bilarh | ibot bilarh cool dude |
| 10:06.47 | morsing | wethrin: heh? |
| 10:06.48 | bilarh | ibot bilarh |
| 10:06.51 | ibot | hmm... bilarh is making a fool of himself, as usual, or mad, or a java monkey and abuses log4j |
| 10:07.02 | bilarh | ibot: bastard! |
| 10:07.04 | ibot | Yes, I am! |
| 10:07.06 | hali | abuse log4j? |
| 10:07.08 | morsing | ibot bilarh is also not a cool dude |
| 10:07.10 | ibot | morsing: okay |
| 10:07.10 | hali | is that possible even? |
| 10:07.21 | morsing | ibot bilarh |
| 10:07.23 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, bilarh is making a fool of himself, as usual, or mad, or a java monkey and abuses log4j, or not a cool dude |
| 10:07.23 | antiphase | ibot your mum |
| 10:07.24 | ibot | No, _your_ mum! |
| 10:08.27 | bilarh | ibot bilarh is a cool dude |
| 10:08.28 | ibot | ...but bilarh is already something else... |
| 10:09.00 | bilarh | ibot bilarh format c: |
| 10:09.10 | Leeds | ibot bilarh is also a cool dude, apparently |
| 10:09.11 | ibot | Leeds: okay |
| 10:09.23 | bilarh | ibot bilarh |
| 10:09.25 | ibot | you are probably making a fool of himself, as usual, or mad, or a java monkey and abuses log4j, or not a cool dude, or a cool dude, apparently |
| 10:09.25 | Leeds | bilarh: 'also' to add to a fact |
| 10:09.39 | bilarh | so how do i remove the log4j rubbish? :) |
| 10:09.53 | morsing | How weird... |
| 10:10.14 | bilarh | ibot bilarh is a cool dude, apparently |
| 10:10.15 | ibot | ...but bilarh is already something else... |
| 10:10.23 | morsing | bilarh: In Sweden...? |
| 10:11.19 | morsing | I can't believe that people here find it so unusual that a married couple takes the woman's name... |
| 10:11.26 | wethrin | heh! |
| 10:11.37 | bilarh | morsing: what? |
| 10:11.39 | morsing | That's just odd. And on Wikipedia it's completely left out |
| 10:11.50 | bilarh | i guess it's a bit like... are you a man or a mouse? :P |
| 10:12.00 | wethrin | morsing: Where do they do that? |
| 10:12.10 | morsing | Like it explains that women sometimes chose to keep their own (seperate) names and why... |
| 10:12.27 | morsing | wethrin: Well, it's quite common in DK. Take me fx... |
| 10:12.45 | morsing | But it always confuses people, banks etc |
| 10:12.57 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 10:13.06 | wethrin | Here it's more common to take the husband's name |
| 10:13.15 | goibhniu | morsing: fix it! that's ridiculous! |
| 10:13.16 | morsing | Yesterday, I tried putting in these security questions on a website and it said to me "That's not allowed as your mother's maiden name" |
| 10:13.25 | wethrin | errr? |
| 10:13.36 | morsing | wethrin: It's more common in DK as well but here it's almost "illegal" |
| 10:13.46 | morsing | People go all weird about it |
| 10:13.46 | wethrin | Who are they to decide what your mother's maiden name is? |
| 10:13.48 | bilarh | and so it should be! |
| 10:13.52 | morsing | wethrin: Exactly |
| 10:13.57 | morsing | bilarh: Why? |
| 10:14.07 | bilarh | because it's almost the only privilege us men have left :) |
| 10:14.18 | wethrin | Unless you had it the same as your family name, in which case there may be a security thing in there |
| 10:14.20 | antiphase | We pwn da biatches |
| 10:14.26 | bilarh | we have to unite in face of this dangerous movement called 'feminism' :) |
| 10:14.26 | goibhniu | I think in spain it's illegal to give a child a name that isn't in the bible |
| 10:14.34 | morsing | My dad's birth name is one of the most common and boring ones. I'm glad I don't have that |
| 10:15.01 | morsing | goibhniu: It's the opposite in DK :) |
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| 10:15.09 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 10:15.18 | goibhniu | dk rawkks! |
| 10:15.18 | morsing | dick_turpin: Give me my mum's name back! |
| 10:15.23 | morsing | Reeks? |
| 10:16.16 | dick_turpin | morsing: WTF you on abou? I was hoping to get some sanity here but it looks like those hopes are dashed too |
| 10:16.22 | dick_turpin | about |
| 10:17.16 | bilarh | dick_turpin: he was a mouse and now he's upset about it :( |
| 10:18.15 | wethrin | goibhniu: not convinced by that.... |
| 10:18.44 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Waht? please guys don't do this to me or I'll give you a run down of my morning so far |
| 10:18.49 | dick_turpin | what |
| 10:18.55 | bilarh | dick_turpin: shoot! |
| 10:19.15 | bilarh | dick_turpin: for your benefit, we were discussing naming after marriage |
| 10:20.12 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: he's surprised and disappointed by the excessive influence of the chesney hawkes penis god patriarchal "norm" on "free" society |
| 10:20.13 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: and you should be too |
| 10:20.13 | bilarh | dick_turpin: and which party's surname should be propagated to the other's |
| 10:20.14 | morsing | Ouch...! |
| 10:21.15 | dick_turpin | ooh some of them can be pretty cool sounding |
| 10:22.12 | dick_turpin | goibhniu-morsing pronounced goibhniu-hyphen-morsing for example |
| 10:26.38 | wethrin | Will you pronounce it Throat-warbler Mangrove? |
| 10:27.19 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Shouldn't that be Goibhniu Hymen? |
| 10:30.04 | goibhniu | wethrin: I couldn't, I'd be mistaken for my mother |
| 10:30.44 | morsing | Nice |
| 10:33.32 | goibhniu | morsing: call dave harris ... you could be rich! |
| 10:34.10 | morsing | Nice |
| 10:34.27 | morsing | goibhniu: What's you maiden name? |
| 10:36.12 | goibhniu | morsing: there is no marriage in the eyes of the Swordfish |
| 10:37.24 | bilarh | ibot change 1100 usd to gbp |
| 10:37.37 | bilarh | hmm |
| 10:37.42 | bilarh | stuff is so much cheaper in the states |
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| 10:39.10 | hali | correct, everything is cheaper in the us |
| 10:39.10 | hali | excpet hookers im told |
| 10:39.32 | wethrin | Yes, but you get stung for shipping |
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| 10:42.49 | dick_turpin | I'm gonna kill something in a minute!!!! |
| 10:45.36 | wethrin | Kill BT Openworld! |
| 10:46.15 | dick_turpin | We are being upgraded so the line keeps dropping |
| 10:48.55 | dick_turpin | Anyone here do telephone support? if you do you have my un-dying admiration the words I'd like to use here for the call I've just had would make grown men cry |
| 10:50.07 | morsing | Just to clear up the confusion, Al's mate Andy is not my four year old nephew |
| 10:50.49 | wethrin | Is he from Harrogate, though? |
| 10:51.04 | wethrin | dick_turpin: Do tell.... |
| 10:51.28 | morsing | No |
| 10:52.06 | dick_turpin | wethrin I'd love to but it'd take too long |
| 10:54.36 | dick_turpin | You're all clever guys? Forget video phones etc I want a phone where I can put my fist down the mouth piece and biff the recipient in the gob! |
| 10:54.51 | wethrin | :) |
| 10:55.01 | SlayerXP | dick_turpin: by that logic, you'd punch them in the ear |
| 10:55.08 | SlayerXP | which works, too |
| 10:56.18 | dick_turpin | SlayerXP: Ah but you'd invent the wizardry that would convert the fist to come out their mouth piece |
| 10:57.50 | dick_turpin | 8 times I said "forget the media player for a minute, now click on that movie" fuc... shi.... cun..... bugg.... fuc..... |
| 10:59.57 | dick_turpin | they are now downloading quicktime on a dialup thats got rid of em for a couple of hours |
| 11:00.20 | wethrin | dick_turpin: Better run off home 20 minutes before their download completes |
| 11:01.04 | dick_turpin | wethrin: TBH You may have a point I bet I've just dug an even deeper hole for myself |
| 11:02.36 | dick_turpin | Got an even better one, Customer wants a drive copy of a laptop but it must be done on their premises with paper work saying it was done here, they are 30 mile away oh and he wants it doing now. tosser |
| 11:14.01 | wethrin | Buh |
| 11:19.45 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: you're allowed to kill people in certain circumstances .. you should ask dave harris |
| 11:20.54 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Who's Dave Harris? |
| 11:21.12 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: ask ibot |
| 11:21.27 | dick_turpin | ibot: who's dave harris |
| 11:22.44 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: ibot hates me because I said he was thick |
| 11:22.52 | wethrin | ibot hate |
| 11:22.53 | ibot | I hate idiots that just come into a channel to troll. |
| 11:23.39 | dick_turpin | I'm not a Troll am I? |
| 11:23.50 | wethrin | ibot hate dick_turpin |
| 11:23.55 | wethrin | I don't know - are you? |
| 11:24.04 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Oi stop that |
| 11:24.04 | wethrin | hmm |
| 11:24.07 | wethrin | :) |
| 11:24.07 | goibhniu | ibot love |
| 11:24.09 | ibot | Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.... And now abideth faith, hope, ... |
| 11:24.23 | wethrin | ibot soliloquy |
| 11:26.12 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I'm still no wiser as to Dave Harris |
| 11:27.53 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: let's just say Dave Harris is one of those special people who can convert wrong into right, and morsing does business with him |
| 11:28.24 | wethrin | Dave Harris is not David Harris, who gave the Gllug talk |
| 11:28.53 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: He sounds like my kinda guy then? |
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| 11:30.55 | dick_turpin | wanna here another tosser fault call? |
| 11:31.00 | wethrin | Go on |
| 11:33.26 | dick_turpin | PC, working, no display, possible graphics card popped out. customer: "I need it fixing NOW! it's stopping me working!" OK take the side panel off and.. Customer "Ow no I'm not messing with it" Well you'll have to wait then! dick_turpin diplomatic as usual |
| 11:37.27 | wethrin | :) |
| 11:40.46 | dick_turpin | wethrin: You can smile young man, its a right day today I'm waiting for the 16 year old to go to dinner then I can have a good swear |
| 11:45.52 | morsing | Beer |
| 11:46.22 | dick_turpin | morsing: Yes please, about 23 should do it |
| 11:46.46 | morsing | flips_and_rails! |
| 11:46.51 | morsing | ibot Dave Harris |
| 11:47.02 | ibot | hmm... dave harris is a lawyer from Harrogate |
| 11:48.22 | morsing | ibot dick_turpin |
| 11:48.23 | ibot | it has been said that dick_turpin is a dirty old man |
| 11:48.30 | morsing | ibot dick |
| 11:48.31 | ibot | i heard dick is male genatalia, or Dessimat0r |
| 11:50.21 | dick_turpin | ibot dick_turpin is a great guy with lots of understanding and patience |
| 11:50.22 | ibot | ...but dick_turpin is already something else... |
| 11:50.43 | dick_turpin | ibot: Just do as your told |
| 11:51.14 | morsing | SlayerXP: Helpful as ever... |
| 11:54.31 | morsing | ibot wake wethrin |
| 11:54.33 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on wethrin and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 11:55.57 | morsing | SlayerXP: Tell Dylan to RTFM |
| 12:02.49 | morsing | Hello? |
| 12:04.27 | wethrin | morsing? |
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| 12:07.54 | morsing | Jasperw! |
| 13:57.37 | morsing | How do I tell mac-addresses on Solaris? |
| 13:57.48 | wethrin | Does ifconfig not tell you? |
| 13:57.56 | morsing | No - of course not |
| 13:58.03 | morsing | wethrin! You're awake... |
| 13:59.47 | bilarh | ethtool? |
| 14:00.14 | morsing | non-existant |
| 14:00.15 | wethrin | Not on Solaris |
| 14:00.16 | wethrin | It'll tell you on bootup.... |
| 14:00.30 | morsing | Nice - good idea |
| 14:00.38 | wethrin | Break into console, 'show net', type 'go' to resume |
| 14:00.42 | bilarh | but that requires a reboot :P |
| 14:00.59 | morsing | wethrin: Uhmmm... No |
| 14:01.03 | bilarh | and breaking and then 'going' seems to always break things :P |
| 14:01.06 | morsing | bilarh: No it doesn't |
| 14:01.12 | wethrin | bilarh: Only sometimes :) |
| 14:01.32 | bilarh | morsing: i was referring to the 'it'll tell you on bootup' idea |
| 14:03.45 | morsing | Des didn't know |
| 14:05.48 | wethrin | morsing: How about 'arp' ? |
| 14:07.09 | hali | morsing: what version of solaris, ifconfig tells me the mac address on all boxes i have here (solaris 8 and 10) |
| 14:07.27 | bilarh | wethrin: there's no entry for the local host in the arp table :) |
| 14:07.30 | morsing | wethrin: arp, by chance, does actually tell me |
| 14:07.35 | hali | listed as "ether" which could confusing |
| 14:07.36 | bilarh | wtf |
| 14:07.37 | bilarh | :P |
| 14:07.49 | bilarh | why have you got the ethernet address of yourself in the arp table? |
| 14:07.53 | morsing | hali: Yes, now, but not twenty minutes ago, ifconfig does show me the MAC address |
| 14:07.55 | wethrin | hali: Solaris 9 doesn't tell me... |
| 14:07.58 | bilarh | wethrin: sorry, turns out i was wron g:) |
| 14:08.40 | wethrin | ifconfig as root shows the MAC address, ifconfig as user doesn't |
| 14:08.44 | wethrin | Weird |
| 14:08.58 | clive-h | Different binaries |
| 14:09.12 | clive-h | The root one is in /sbin/ifconfig |
| 14:09.12 | wethrin | No... |
| 14:09.19 | bilarh | same binaries |
| 14:09.20 | wethrin | # which ifconfig |
| 14:09.20 | wethrin | /usr/sbin/ifconfig |
| 14:09.26 | wethrin | $ which ifconfig |
| 14:09.26 | wethrin | /usr/sbin/ifconfig |
| 14:09.51 | bilarh | it's a bit like netstat -antup telling you which process owns a socket if run as root |
| 14:09.56 | wethrin | You're going to have your own network address in the arp table... |
| 14:10.07 | clive-h | Hmmm I don't have access to Solaris tight now |
| 14:10.08 | bilarh | wethrin: why would you need it? |
| 14:10.10 | clive-h | right |
| 14:10.28 | bilarh | wethrin: you're unlikely to send an ethernet frame to yourself over the network :) |
| 14:10.41 | bilarh | or have i lost my marbles? |
| 14:11.03 | wethrin | It's an ethernet<->hostname mapping |
| 14:11.04 | hali | funny enough, the solaris 10 box i tried on is called "marble" :) |
| 14:11.52 | bilarh | wethrin: yes i know |
| 14:11.59 | bilarh | wethrin: but you'd never send yourself an ethernet frame |
| 14:12.42 | hali | why not? |
| 14:12.51 | bilarh | well, there's not much point |
| 14:12.59 | bilarh | why would you want to do it? |
| 14:13.10 | hali | lets say you a virtual machine that needs dhcp? |
| 14:13.31 | bilarh | aha? |
| 14:13.53 | hali | and your global machine is your dhcp server |
| 14:14.02 | bilarh | yep |
| 14:14.10 | hali | so hence you need a local arp table |
| 14:14.24 | hali | so the request is not sent out |
| 14:14.34 | bilarh | yes, for the virtual interfaces, not for yourself |
| 14:14.47 | bilarh | the virtual machine may need to know the arp address of the 'server' |
| 14:14.54 | bilarh | but the 'server' wouldn't need to know it's own arp address |
| 14:14.59 | bilarh | mac address, even |
| 14:16.20 | hali | i can't see this discussion going anywhere |
| 14:16.36 | bilarh | so you conceed you are wrong? :P |
| 14:16.54 | hali | no, since i have hard proof that it is required |
| 14:16.56 | hali | since it is in there |
| 14:18.01 | hali | but i think you are to (stubborn?) to change your mind now |
| 14:18.01 | bilarh | well, at least linux doesn't need to know about it |
| 14:18.01 | bilarh | http://www.pastebin.ca/413514 |
| 14:18.27 | morsing | hali: bilarh is right |
| 14:18.50 | morsing | Solaris might be stupid enough to have it there but other unix systems are better designed |
| 14:19.25 | wethrin | OpenBSD has it. I don't have any other Unix systems to hand |
| 14:19.27 | wethrin | What about AIX? |
| 14:19.51 | bilarh | if it is in there, it's duplication of information imo |
| 14:20.11 | wethrin | Nothing necessarily wrong with that |
| 14:20.13 | bilarh | solaris does have it, though |
| 14:20.24 | bilarh | no, not really i suppose :) |
| 14:20.31 | wethrin | Maybe the network stacks work in different ways |
| 14:20.37 | morsing | AIX doesn't - just tested |
| 14:20.46 | morsing | Linux certainly doesn't either |
| 14:21.03 | bilarh | if openbsd has it, probably the other bsd's have it too :) |
| 14:21.03 | morsing | Solaris sucks |
| 14:21.21 | bilarh | so it seems like a 2 - 6+ in favour of having it there :) |
| 14:22.52 | cpufreak | Linux is broken |
| 14:22.55 | morsing | bilarh: Huh? |
| 14:23.42 | bilarh | cpufreak: well, i've got a couple of linux boxes here saying they're not :) |
| 14:24.20 | cpufreak | they're broken, they just don't realise it. |
| 14:25.51 | morsing | Right... |
| 14:26.41 | bilarh | morsing: well, there must be at least 5 bsd derivatives + solaris = 6 :) |
| 14:26.53 | hali | ok, so from the four os'es we've tested the two real ones have it and the toy ones don't :) |
| 14:27.04 | bilarh | whatever :) |
| 14:27.21 | bilarh | i still maintain that it's not required for networking |
| 14:27.26 | bilarh | even when networking with yourself, as it were |
| 14:27.26 | morsing | hali: You suck |
| 14:27.33 | hali | morsing: even more than AIX? |
| 14:28.31 | bilarh | it may be useful if you want to globally spoof your mac-address i suppose |
| 14:28.48 | bilarh | bur provided you're not into pretending you're someone else, then it's not needed :) |
| 14:35.04 | hali | how about when receiving packets? |
| 14:35.15 | hali | the classic question "is this for me?" |
| 14:35.30 | hali | if you imagine a hubbed old wonky network |
| 14:40.15 | hali | we could send an email to Bob Metcalfe and ask |
| 14:44.21 | bilarh | you still don't need to know it actually |
| 14:44.22 | bilarh | well, you do |
| 14:44.24 | bilarh | but not in the arp table |
| 14:44.39 | bilarh | that's handled by the ethernet card, or by the ethernet driver if the card is broken |
| 14:44.53 | bilarh | unless you're in promiscous mode |
| 14:45.01 | bilarh | in which case it should still be handled by the ethernet driver |
| 15:29.01 | Leeds | you know, I really doubt they feel - or have - a need here for ads on the radio which make it clear that if you don't pay your car tax, a large evil computer which watches you 24/7 will steal your car and destroy it |
| 15:29.26 | wethrin | Umm....yes... |
| 15:29.42 | Leeds | they're really pretty 1984-style ads |
| 15:29.46 | wethrin | :) |
| 15:30.00 | Leeds | there's the carrot and the stick... and that's a very large pointed stick |
| 15:30.37 | Leeds | they could open the ads with "you know, the money you pay for your car tax goes into maintaining and developing our road network" - or they could if it was true |
| 15:31.24 | Leeds | rather than just making it a pretty nasty and outright threat |
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| 15:38.58 | goibhniu | Leeds: you seem to be missing the point of government propoganda |
| 15:39.37 | Leeds | goibhniu: I'm saying that from the point of a non-resident non-car-owner, it's a pretty nasty piece of propaganda |
| 15:39.42 | Leeds | and pretty blunt |
| 15:39.57 | goibhniu | Leeds: yes ... that's what it's there for |
| 15:40.17 | bilarh | leeds: totally agree with that |
| 15:40.23 | bilarh | pisses me off every time i hear it |
| 15:40.43 | bilarh | leave me, my liberties and my arp tables alone, thank you! |
| 15:41.12 | Leeds | there's absolutely no suggestion whatsoever that you should pay for any reason other than the men in black shirts will come knocking in the night if you don't |
| 15:41.28 | bilarh | there's a tv ad with the same message as well |
| 15:41.35 | bilarh | filmed in dreary black and white |
| 15:41.50 | Leeds | I don't see TV ads - I stream radio and bittorrent TV :-) |
| 15:41.54 | goibhniu | Leeds: the idea is to keep you locked up in your bunker doing your groceries online and leaving IRL to the government |
| 15:42.00 | bilarh | yeah i know, that's why i let you know :P |
| 15:42.26 | bilarh | i can officially say i hate the government :) |
| 15:42.42 | Leeds | bilarh: well, nice knowing you... |
| 15:42.54 | Leeds | do you have permission for that online protest action? |
| 15:42.55 | goibhniu | bilarh: wanna set up a robo-comune in estonia? |
| 15:43.09 | bilarh | goibhniu: does it involve sex with robots? |
| 15:43.15 | bilarh | goibhniu: otherwise i'm out :) |
| 15:43.25 | goibhniu | bilarh: obligatory |
| 15:43.27 | bilarh | leeds: hehe, exactly |
| 15:43.40 | bilarh | goibhniu: excellent... count me, eh, in :) |
| 15:43.52 | goibhniu | bilarh: morsing has also offered his services |
| 15:44.07 | bilarh | i knew he was a dirty bot! |
| 15:44.35 | Leeds | ibot protest |
| 15:44.46 | Leeds | for that matter... |
| 15:44.48 | Leeds | ibot tony blair |
| 15:44.50 | ibot | tony blair is probably nothing |
| 15:45.06 | bilarh | ibot tony blair is a cunt, apparently :) |
| 15:45.08 | ibot | bilarh: please, watch your language. |
| 15:45.13 | bilarh | ffs :) |
| 15:45.17 | Leeds | okay, who let Gordon have access to ibot? :-) |
| 15:45.22 | bilarh | hehe |
| 15:45.40 | wethrin | ~gordon brown |
| 15:46.45 | Leeds | ibot george bush |
| 15:46.46 | ibot | i guess george bush is a kind, hard working man who leads the United States of America |
| 15:47.02 | Leeds | okay, who let Dick have access to ibot? |
| 15:47.38 | Leeds | ibot george bush is also maybe not quite that |
| 15:47.40 | ibot | okay, Leeds |
| 15:48.17 | bilarh | ibot tony blair |
| 15:48.18 | ibot | i heard tony blair is nothing |
| 15:48.32 | Leeds | ibot why? |
| 15:48.33 | ibot | Because! |
| 15:48.41 | bilarh | ibot tony blair is also a dcik-splat apparently |
| 15:48.42 | ibot | bilarh: okay |
| 15:48.45 | bilarh | ibot tony blair |
| 15:48.47 | ibot | rumour has it, tony blair is nothing, or a dcik-splat apparently |
| 15:48.56 | Leeds | ibot bilarh is also unable to spell dick |
| 15:48.58 | ibot | Leeds: please, watch your language. |
| 15:48.59 | bilarh | power to the bilarh! |
| 15:49.04 | wethrin | ~bilarh |
| 15:49.06 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, bilarh is probably making a fool of himself, as usual, or mad, or a java monkey and abuses log4j, or not a cool dude, or a cool dude, apparently |
| 15:49.08 | Leeds | ibot there's nothing dirty about dick |
| 15:49.12 | cpufreak | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFqQOlYE4EE |
| 15:50.23 | bilarh | mental! |
| 15:52.03 | hali | saw that on the bbc news this morning, tfl is demanding the police investigate it |
| 15:52.33 | wethrin | But they can't prosecute, apparently, because it's > 6 months old |
| 15:52.35 | bilarh | leave the guy alone |
| 15:53.32 | hali | well, if it was ilegal i think they should prosecute |
| 15:53.38 | hali | a thug is still athug |
| 15:53.43 | bilarh | fascist! :) |
| 15:53.48 | hali | yes i know |
| 15:53.58 | bilarh | did you know it's illegal to be drunk in a public place? :) |
| 15:54.04 | hali | youngsters today lack all respect for the law |
| 15:54.16 | hali | drinking in public is, not sure about being drunk? |
| 15:54.17 | bilarh | you're only 26 yourself |
| 15:54.22 | hali | 25! |
| 15:54.32 | bilarh | there you go, even worse than i thought! :) |
| 15:54.39 | bilarh | you've betrayed your generation |
| 15:54.39 | wethrin | only in some public places... |
| 15:54.45 | hali | and you are 28 and still seem to lack respect for the law |
| 15:54.53 | hali | i bet you drink and drive |
| 15:54.58 | bilarh | you should be out there "breaking the law, breaking the law" :) |
| 15:55.07 | bilarh | not really, no |
| 15:55.13 | bilarh | well, max one pint |
| 15:55.34 | bilarh | which, with my considerable body mass, will not put me over the drink drive limit :) |
| 15:56.12 | hali | speaking of beer, i quite enjoyed that meal in the beefeater the other day |
| 15:56.16 | hali | great choice in resturants |
| 15:56.20 | wethrin | mm....beef |
| 15:56.23 | bilarh | beefeater? |
| 15:56.26 | bilarh | was that the pub we went to? |
| 15:56.30 | hali | bilarh: yes |
| 15:56.35 | bilarh | ah yeah, it was cool |
| 15:57.33 | hali | the gamon was perhaps a bit salty but i still liked it (since it was meat anyway) |
| 15:57.51 | hali | we should try smolenskys some day |
| 15:58.00 | bilarh | when i get a bonus, maybe :P |
| 15:58.03 | hali | on the strand |
| 15:58.07 | hali | it's not expensive |
| 15:58.18 | hali | not more expensive than beefeater |
| 15:58.20 | bilarh | you seem to have forgotten that i'm married and thus not in control of my own finances any more :( |
| 15:58.37 | hali | and spend a significant amount on parts for your car :) |
| 15:58.56 | bilarh | actually, this month i have only spent the grand total of 200 |
| 15:59.01 | bilarh | the month before it was the same :) |
| 15:59.05 | bilarh | so nerrr :) |
| 15:59.07 | wethrin | including rent / mortgage? |
| 15:59.19 | hali | i'm probably on about 800 pm for food and drinks |
| 15:59.31 | hali | with emphasis on drinks :P |
| 15:59.32 | bilarh | i don't pay rent for my car, luckily :) |
| 15:59.40 | wethrin | DRINK! |
| 15:59.50 | hali | DRRRINK! |
| 15:59.56 | wethrin | ARSE! |
| 15:59.58 | bilarh | shocking waste... you know you could sit indoors all the time and put it all into a ftse tracker, no? |
| 16:00.12 | wethrin | Spending it on drink is more fun |
| 16:00.18 | hali | i would never use a bookie service |
| 16:02.23 | hali | and besides, i quite enjoy socialising with people (usually discussing VMS and how anon pages are allocated in MPE/ix) |
| 16:02.42 | Leeds | hmm... past midnight |
| 16:02.57 | dick_turpin | Leeds: Go to bed |
| 16:03.32 | Leeds | why? |
| 16:05.21 | bilarh | don't need to use a bookie service, just get buy some shares in a fund through your bank :) |
| 16:05.29 | bilarh | leeds: don't go to bed, entertain us instead |
| 16:06.16 | Leeds | why? |
| 16:07.19 | bilarh | because! |
| 16:07.51 | Leeds | find me work and I'll entertain you! |
| 16:08.04 | bilarh | i thought you had a job already |
| 16:08.13 | Leeds | uh, no |
| 16:08.14 | bilarh | dance a dance for us :) |
| 16:08.18 | bilarh | really? |
| 16:08.25 | hali | bilarh: thats not really playing on the ftse tracker is it, thats just a normal investment |
| 16:08.27 | bilarh | i thought you worked for a company in HK? |
| 16:08.47 | Leeds | I did - until August |
| 16:09.00 | bilarh | hali: i didn't say "play the ftse", i said put it in a ftse tracker :) |
| 16:09.08 | bilarh | leeds: what the one just gone or the one coming up? |
| 16:09.23 | Leeds | there was one coming up... it came and went |
| 16:09.28 | z00dax | these days you really want either the .cn or .br markets |
| 16:09.29 | bilarh | oh right |
| 16:09.34 | z00dax | thats where the money is |
| 16:09.37 | wethrin | z00dax! |
| 16:09.39 | bilarh | leeds: that's like half a year :-\ |
| 16:09.40 | z00dax | wethrin: ! |
| 16:09.45 | bilarh | zoodax: where's br? |
| 16:09.47 | bilarh | brazil? |
| 16:09.48 | wethrin | Brazil |
| 16:10.15 | bilarh | too many hot women in brazil for my liking, i'm afraid |
| 16:10.19 | Leeds | bilarh: yes, I'm painfully aware of that |
| 16:10.31 | bilarh | leeds: :( |
| 16:10.36 | hali | plenty of jobs in london though |
| 16:10.48 | z00dax | i need to snapshot this - not often are these two terms used together 'too many' and 'hot women' |
| 16:11.03 | bilarh | leeds: have you considered turning to hard drugs and prostitution? :( |
| 16:11.31 | Leeds | the latter, yes.. |
| 16:11.47 | z00dax | o^O |
| 16:11.52 | bilarh | i've often thought of turning into a gigolo |
| 16:11.57 | hali | aren't HK drug laws quite restrictive and the punishment is like 5000 years in prison? |
| 16:12.02 | z00dax | does pimping gw280 count ? |
| 16:12.08 | bilarh | i was going to say a dildo at first, but then i realised some people probably thinks i'm one already :) |
| 16:12.47 | Leeds | I wouldn't mess with drugs anywhere, but they're pretty harsh here, yeah |
| 16:13.36 | gw280 | z00dax: what? |
| 16:13.38 | dick_turpin | Leeds: Have you not gone to bed yet? |
| 16:14.49 | Leeds | no, but you've apparently just split :-P |
| 16:14.50 | bilarh | hehe :P |
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| 16:15.35 | z00dax | gw280: you'd make a pretty pimp |
| 16:15.36 | gw280 | z00dax: I don't want to know. |
| 16:15.36 | wethrin | gw280 supplementing his student income by becoming a rent boy? |
| 16:15.37 | gw280 | ... |
| 16:15.39 | z00dax | looks like we lost dick_turpin in that split |
| 16:15.55 | gw280 | ZOMGWTFBBQ PROFIT |
| 16:16.17 | bilarh | zoodax: that's a crazy idea, you don't want to do that |
| 16:16.28 | z00dax | i might loose my eyesight if i dont |
| 16:16.30 | gw280 | z00dax: lol light |
| 16:16.33 | bilarh | zoodax: you'll probably be mugged or arrested for being under 25 by the fascist cops |
| 16:16.39 | z00dax | my right eye is exceptionally red today |
| 16:16.40 | Leeds | bilarh: ISTR seeing a year or two back someone making a huge creme egg by draining the contents of lots of normal ones |
| 16:16.53 | z00dax | and i've been changing monitors and taking breaks from the machines today |
| 16:17.17 | z00dax | gw280: most people seemed to miss that :/ |
| 16:17.37 | bilarh | leeds: hehe, cool :) |
| 16:19.09 | bilarh | mm, creme eggs are legendary |
| 16:23.39 | Leeds | mmm... vindaloo |
| 16:23.51 | Leeds | oh, sorry, voodoo... I like the idea of a vindaloo doll :-) |
| 16:24.04 | wethrin | No Leeds! You shall not tempt me into having a curry on my way home! |
| 16:25.19 | hali | mmm... some curry would be nice |
| 16:25.42 | z00dax | curry ++ |
| 16:25.48 | hali | with a side of saag alou |
| 16:26.00 | z00dax | i need to really make an effort and find a moderately decent curry place close to where i live |
| 16:26.04 | wethrin | DAMN YOU ALL! |
| 16:26.25 | Leeds | mmm... saag aloo |
| 16:26.31 | bilarh | wethrin: what's your favourite curry place, then? |
| 16:26.32 | z00dax | wethrin: with a kingfisher alongside |
| 16:26.36 | hali | i quite like preem on brick lane, quite light food ... not to oily or to much of that gee |
| 16:26.57 | hali | red fort in soho is alright but a bit to pricey |
| 16:27.01 | wethrin | bilarh: I tend mostly to go to the one in Durham that's on my way home |
| 16:27.02 | z00dax | gee == heart attack stuff |
| 16:27.20 | wethrin | z00dax: Yes, but tasty |
| 16:27.29 | wethrin | It's just butter with extra fat added, isn't it? |
| 16:27.35 | hali | the swedish chef in preem is all against gee |
| 16:28.13 | Leeds | swedish chef? |
| 16:28.13 | wethrin | bilarh: Down in London, I've liked the Gaylord and Malabar Junction (for tasty food) |
| 16:28.13 | wethrin | Lords is quite nice for standard curry-fare |
| 16:28.16 | wethrin | Although they seem to have put the prices up |
| 16:28.18 | z00dax | wethrin: umm no |
| 16:28.19 | bilarh | the swedish chef? |
| 16:28.22 | Leeds | bork bork bork! |
| 16:28.25 | z00dax | wethrin: do you want to know what it is ? ghee ? |
| 16:28.55 | bilarh | leeds: hehe |
| 16:28.58 | wethrin | Wikipedia says clarified butter |
| 16:29.50 | z00dax | well, i dont know what clarigied butter is - but ghee is essentially a massive load of white butter skimmed off the top of milk, put into a big pot and heated till the snf + sff settle down |
| 16:30.23 | wethrin | Indeed |
| 16:30.50 | wethrin | "Clarified butter is butter that has been rendered to separate the milk solids and water from the butter fat" |
| 16:30.54 | z00dax | so what you get left behind is mostly the fats and cholesterol |
| 16:31.04 | bilarh | sounds nice :) |
| 16:31.32 | Leeds | but is it 'good' cholesterol or 'bad' cholesterol? |
| 16:31.40 | z00dax | right, the milk processing industry tends to use snf = solids non fat, and sff - solids fatty fodder to refer to those bits |
| 16:31.52 | bilarh | it's the kind of stuff that jumps at your heart from dark alleys |
| 16:31.53 | z00dax | Leeds: mostly the bad kinds |
| 16:32.22 | wethrin | Leeds: If it's from cow milk, it's 'good'. From veggies, it's 'bad' |
| 16:32.25 | wethrin | Apparently :) |
| 16:32.46 | bilarh | wethrin: phew, i'm glad you cleared that out :P |
| 16:32.51 | Leeds | you can get non-diary ghee? |
| 16:32.59 | Leeds | uh, dairy |
| 16:33.36 | wethrin | According to Wikipedia, yes |
| 16:34.37 | z00dax | its based off hydrogenated veggie oils |
| 16:34.40 | z00dax | (sp) |
| 16:38.58 | goibhniu | zabbix or nagios? ... and I'd like to set off alerts when certain things appear in log files ... tricky? |
| 16:39.25 | *** join/#gllug strerror (n=strerror@gentoo/developer/strerror) |
| 16:39.34 | z00dax | goibhniu: zenoss |
| 16:39.45 | wethrin | ahoy |
| 16:39.59 | wethrin | z00dax: Need ideas for talks for next Gllug! |
| 16:40.27 | z00dax | wethrin: kernel elevator design logic in the 2.6.x kernel tree |
| 16:40.30 | goibhniu | z00dax: SEXY! cheers |
| 16:40.34 | antiphase | Goat sex |
| 16:40.58 | wethrin | Um. Right... |
| 16:41.17 | z00dax | wethrin: are the streamline guys going to stick with a mid week meeting ? |
| 16:41.24 | wethrin | I suspect so, yes |
| 16:41.42 | wethrin | We might be able to get SlayerXP to do his talk about spam filtering |
| 16:41.43 | z00dax | so should we keep them as tentative, and just have them for the evening when they are ready and push on for a 21st Apr ( if possible ) meet |
| 16:42.01 | wethrin | Yeah. Looks like I might be in Greece the week before the meeting |
| 16:42.40 | z00dax | http://www.linuxgfx.co.uk/karoshi/mambo/dev/ |
| 16:42.58 | z00dax | have we ever asked these people about a potential talk ? |
| 16:43.07 | z00dax | they are not really local, but perhaps they can make a Sat ? |
| 16:43.17 | z00dax | also, we need a wiki to plan stuff of this nature :/ |
| 16:43.41 | wethrin | No - that's what mailing lists are for.. |
| 16:43.45 | wethrin | Where are they based? |
| 16:44.08 | z00dax | the problem with mailing lists is - its hard to find out if someone spoke to a project about a potential talk 8 months back |
| 16:44.14 | z00dax | and what the response was from them |
| 16:44.37 | z00dax | wethrin: karoshi.org.uk is dover based iirc |
| 16:44.58 | z00dax | it would be nice to get someone in to talk about linux in education |
| 16:45.00 | wethrin | It might be useful to get Jason to set up some @gllug.org.uk email addresses, so it looks a little more 'official' |
| 16:45.14 | wethrin | Indeed. Didn't Roger Whittaker give a talk about that not too long ago? |
| 16:45.57 | morsing | Beer |
| 16:46.46 | wethrin | z00dax: I could get someone in to talk about XML stuff (he's on various XML committees), and possibly see if a guy from AMD can come and talk about virtualisation in processors |
| 16:47.01 | z00dax | wethrin: no clue, looking at mailing list and searching for education / academic / school / university brings up no real context |
| 16:47.01 | wethrin | Although the contact in AMD is more a marketing guy, he knows a bit of technie stuff |
| 16:47.41 | z00dax | wethrin: that might work, but one or the other, it might get a bit top heavy otherwise |
| 16:47.54 | z00dax | pus, we've had a lot of people talk about virt stuff |
| 16:47.59 | wethrin | Maybe get someone from Cambridge to talk about Xen? |
| 16:48.00 | wethrin | Hmmm |
| 16:48.09 | wethrin | True. It is the 'new cool thing' |
| 16:48.14 | z00dax | we had the novel guys in talking about Xen not long back |
| 16:48.31 | z00dax | and richard did some more virt stuff last weekend |
| 16:49.22 | wethrin | Mm....best wait, then |
| 16:49.47 | z00dax | keithlard__: can come and talk about ruby :) |
| 16:49.55 | wethrin | Oh good! |
| 16:50.07 | wethrin | Could have a more programming-oriented one |
| 16:50.19 | z00dax | keithlard_: |
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| 17:06.41 | Leeds | bah, zope |
| 17:19.07 | goibhniu | Leeds: zope loves you |
| 17:27.34 | z00dax | i did think you might like it |
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| 18:35.18 | trousers_ | Gunde! |
| 18:35.32 | Gunde | hi trousers (-: |
| 18:41.39 | hali | wethrin: how about a file system talk? lots of fun stuff happening there now, ext4, ocfs2 .. vxfs being "free" |
| 18:48.03 | cpufreak | z7 |
| 18:50.12 | boudiccas | reiserfs |
| 18:52.37 | z00dax | Gunde: ! |
| 18:52.48 | z00dax | boudiccas: umm no, reiserfs no no no |
| 18:53.53 | hali | i only use reiserfs for squid caches' |
| 18:55.36 | clive-h | vxfs is free ? |
| 18:56.02 | trousers_ | afs :) |
| 18:56.32 | clive-h | vxfs is costly I thought |
| 18:56.46 | hali | clive-h: vertias foundation suite basic is free, up to four volumes/file systems |
| 18:57.00 | hali | enough for a small sybase server |
| 18:57.08 | hali | nice to have when one wants direct io |
| 18:57.11 | clive-h | Oh I must have missed that development |
| 18:57.25 | hali | it's sweet |
| 18:57.43 | clive-h | Yeah always did direct IO for Oracle dbs |
| 19:34.44 | wethrin | hali: Excellent idea! |
| 19:35.12 | wethrin | hali: Can those volumes be spread over multiple disks? |
| 19:37.35 | hali | wethrin: yes |
| 19:37.46 | wethrin | Nice |
| 19:38.07 | wethrin | Could probably get someone to talk about GFS (Global, not Google) |
| 19:47.52 | morsing | Beer |
| 19:48.00 | morsing | GPFS |
| 19:48.03 | wethrin | Beer FS? |
| 19:48.32 | morsing | wethrin: Where's Slayer? |
| 19:49.03 | wethrin | Don't know |
| 19:49.08 | morsing | Anyway, question: What does "Status in which you have signed the form" mean? |
| 19:49.24 | wethrin | morsing: NFI - context? |
| 19:49.27 | morsing | GPFS! |
| 19:49.35 | wethrin | GPFS? |
| 19:49.46 | morsing | wethrin: Form from T&R I have to sign |
| 19:49.53 | wethrin | T&R? |
| 19:50.06 | morsing | http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/clusters/software/gpfs.html |
| 19:50.10 | wethrin | Presumably "Employee", "Employer", "Contractor", etc.? |
| 19:50.12 | morsing | Tax & Revenue |
| 19:50.17 | morsing | So, Director? |
| 19:50.27 | morsing | But it's a title then? |
| 19:50.52 | wethrin | Possibly, but I'm not sure |
| 19:51.00 | wethrin | Phone them |
| 19:51.00 | morsing | Mmm... Pizza |
| 19:51.04 | wethrin | I had curry |
| 19:51.11 | morsing | My accountant will know |
| 19:51.13 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 19:51.21 | wethrin | So....do you know anyone who could talk about GPFS? |
| 19:51.27 | morsing | IBM? |
| 19:51.33 | wethrin | Yes |
| 19:51.36 | wethrin | Anyone? |
| 19:51.43 | wethrin | Specific - got any contexts in IBM? |
| 19:51.48 | morsing | I appoint SlayerXP |
| 19:51.55 | morsing | No |
| 19:52.07 | morsing | Just thought it would be interesting |
| 19:52.17 | wethrin | I could be |
| 19:54.57 | morsing | I can't figure these forms out :( |
| 19:58.06 | wethrin | Tax doesn't have to be taxing! |
| 20:00.30 | morsing | wethrin: I'm sure I've done this right |
| 20:00.34 | morsing | Wrong I mean |
| 20:00.43 | morsing | wethrin: Beer? |
| 20:01.45 | wethrin | when? |
| 20:03.11 | morsing | Now |
| 20:03.14 | morsing | And pizza |
| 20:03.22 | morsing | 20:58 * wethrin wonders what to do for the rest of the evening |
| 20:04.21 | morsing | wethrin: How do you solve a neighbour dispute without weapons? |
| 20:05.21 | morsing | ibot wake wethrin |
| 20:05.33 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on wethrin and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 20:05.56 | wethrin | Through the courts |
| 20:06.23 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 20:06.30 | hali | how big of a problem? |
| 20:06.56 | morsing | hali: They're just hassling me and even friends about parking outside my house |
| 20:08.19 | wethrin | Don't you have a driveway? |
| 20:08.36 | morsing | wethrin: Yes, but can only fit two cars on there |
| 20:08.43 | wethrin | Garage? |
| 20:08.58 | wethrin | As long as you're parking in front of your own house, and not blocking their driveway, you should be okay |
| 20:09.17 | morsing | Indeed but can't easily move in and out of it with cars on the driveway |
| 20:09.32 | morsing | wethrin: They don't care, they just moan |
| 20:09.43 | wethrin | Yeah, so you have your regular cars on the driveway, and your special occasion car in the garage |
| 20:09.45 | morsing | They even went after TwoSheds last time he was here |
| 20:09.55 | morsing | wethrin: Sometimes... |
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| 20:10.05 | wethrin | Bah. As long as he wasn't blocking them.... |
| 20:10.09 | morsing | clive-h! |
| 20:10.23 | morsing | wethrin: They're idiots |
| 20:10.31 | wethrin | Professional whingers? |
| 20:10.34 | clive-h | Hi morsing |
| 20:10.39 | wethrin | 30-something, two young kids? |
| 20:11.40 | morsing | She looks like 40s, him more like 50s and they have two dogs and two very young kids (5-7?) |
| 20:13.50 | wethrin | Ahhha |
| 20:13.56 | wethrin | Professional whiners, then |
| 20:14.03 | wethrin | WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN |
| 20:14.16 | morsing | wethrin: They're just being so stupid |
| 20:15.41 | wethrin | They have hedges round the outside of their house too? |
| 20:15.41 | morsing | Fence |
| 20:15.42 | wethrin | oh |
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| 20:31.19 | z00dax | damnsplit |
| 20:31.23 | morsing | z00dax: Splits are fun |
| 20:31.23 | z00dax | depends on who and what is being split |
| 20:31.26 | wethrin | David Harris! |
| 20:31.26 | morsing | Not much better. First mention is your meeting invite |
| 20:32.06 | z00dax | no harris seems to have posted since 31/07/2005 |
| 20:32.06 | wethrin | heh |
| 20:32.06 | morsing | z00dax: Was that particular harris from Harrogate? |
| 20:33.08 | morsing | wethrin: On Saturday you said he was from Harrogate |
| 20:34.04 | wethrin | No I didn't |
| 20:34.20 | z00dax | morsing: you missed the part where i said 'no' |
| 20:35.38 | morsing | z00dax: But the harris that posted on 31/07/2005 was? |
| 20:36.06 | z00dax | i didnt say there was one |
| 20:36.20 | morsing | You implied it! (strongly) |
| 20:36.22 | z00dax | we should just all move to sanskrit |
| 20:36.57 | z00dax | and do away with such ambiguity |
| 20:37.35 | wethrin | That could have just been when his archives stopped/started |
| 20:37.46 | wethrin | Oh - it's Gllug's 10th year come this September |
| 20:37.54 | z00dax | wethrin: yes |
| 20:38.00 | z00dax | is when I joined the list |
| 20:38.24 | z00dax | i suppose gmane.org might have a slightly longer - directly searchable stock |
| 20:38.31 | z00dax | as might google |
| 20:39.20 | wethrin | And the mailman archives... |
| 20:39.28 | z00dax | hahaha |
| 20:39.32 | z00dax | "Geeklawyer is currently writing: “Guantanamo Bay - the musical comedy” |
| 20:39.45 | z00dax | morsing: http://blog.geeklawyer.org/about-geeklawyer/ |
| 20:40.16 | wethrin | :) |
| 20:43.37 | wethrin | Right.....September 1st 1997 there was the first announcement of a Gllug meeting |
| 20:43.49 | wethrin | Meeting took place on September 13th 1997 |
| 20:44.42 | wethrin | How endian-neutral is ext3? |
| 20:45.31 | hali | it is completly neutral |
| 20:46.29 | wethrin | Oh good |
| 20:46.38 | hali | it at least is ment to be, i've never tried it except for using a usb stick on both pc and sparc |
| 20:47.13 | clive-h | Both are big-endian |
| 20:47.50 | hali | x86 is little-endian |
| 20:48.01 | wethrin | x86 is little |
| 20:48.06 | clive-h | Oh yeah |
| 21:07.25 | hali | most sparcs are pretty boring these days |
| 21:07.33 | hali | t1 is fun and the high end usIV+ is ok |
| 21:07.47 | hali | the rest is to slow to be taken seriously |
| 21:08.15 | hali | we have shedloads of v480s scheduled to be replaced by x86_64 kit |
| 21:08.55 | wethrin | I like the T1 |
| 21:09.07 | wethrin | v480s? Are they the desktop ones? |
| 21:09.33 | hali | 5U quad socket servers |
| 21:10.08 | wethrin | Hmm..... |
| 21:10.13 | wethrin | With mounting kits? |
| 21:10.52 | hali | well yes, but im not sure if we are selling/giving away anything... some of it will be used for internal dev since most our stupid clients use sparcs |
| 21:11.05 | hali | i can keep my eyes open |
| 21:28.19 | wethrin | Cool :) |
| 21:32.43 | clive-h | Free sparcs would be cool |
| 21:32.53 | clive-h | Or even cheap ones |
| 21:33.59 | wethrin | I wonder if Tushar will still have any A1000s left |
| 21:34.19 | clive-h | Amigas? |
| 21:34.24 | wethrin | Disk arrays |
| 21:34.37 | clive-h | ahhhh |
| 21:34.43 | clive-h | Nice kit |
| 21:34.56 | wethrin | Yarr |
| 21:36.21 | wethrin | Gah. Taking down these racks when I move out is going to be hassle |
| 21:36.41 | clive-h | How many at home? |
| 21:36.54 | wethrin | I've got 2 racks here; 1's full |
| 21:37.03 | wethrin | The other, admittedly, is empty |
| 21:37.11 | clive-h | Lol |
| 21:37.20 | z00dax | how much of noise do you generate there? |
| 21:37.28 | z00dax | or do you just not run your machines |
| 21:37.35 | wethrin | Only about half the machines are on |
| 21:37.40 | wethrin | And it's not too bad with the door closer |
| 21:37.43 | wethrin | *closed |
| 21:37.52 | z00dax | i have a fair few machines here- and the one reason i shy away from using rack mount kit is that its so bloody loud |
| 21:37.58 | wethrin | If the door's open, you can hear the room when you come in :) |
| 21:38.05 | wethrin | Most of the stuff's on shelves |
| 21:38.15 | z00dax | i can live with the electric bill - since the machines are doing something, i can even dedicate the one bedroom to the machines as the machine room - but i do not like the noise |
| 21:38.47 | wethrin | Close the door :) |
| 21:38.59 | z00dax | you mean to go sit outside the house ? |
| 21:39.30 | z00dax | the door to the machine room is closed, the door to the upstairs stairway is closed as well. i can still feel / hear the machines - and only 7 are on at the moment |
| 21:39.50 | z00dax | that does include a openpower 720 and a sun v20z which contribute about 80% of the noise |
| 21:40.07 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 21:40.11 | wethrin | My E4k isn't on |
| 21:40.38 | z00dax | you are not making it feel welcome |
| 21:40.54 | clive-h | Sounds like a farm to build Centos on |
| 21:41.00 | wethrin | Gentoo? :) |
| 21:41.09 | wethrin | Well....it'd be nice if it had more memory |
| 21:41.34 | wethrin | Has anyone played with the iSCSI initiator for Linux? |
| 21:41.38 | z00dax | clive-h: the sun and ibm machines are both doing just that - building centos-5 stuff on |
| 21:41.39 | clive-h | z00dax is a centos person |
| 21:42.33 | antiphase | I thought about trying iSCSI with Linux, but it had the distinct air of being a partial implementation of a very complicated (possibly over-complicated) problem |
| 21:42.43 | antiphase | And alpha code |
| 21:42.57 | wethrin | It looks slightly more mature now |
| 21:43.06 | wethrin | The iscsitarget.sourceforge.net one, anyway |
| 21:43.13 | z00dax | i use the iscsi init in centos-4.4 and its been working ok - as has the iet iscsi -target stuff |
| 21:43.28 | z00dax | wethrin: thats not the initiator :) |
| 21:43.31 | wethrin | Urgh. I really meant the target |
| 21:43.40 | wethrin | duhh |
| 21:44.02 | z00dax | http://www.karan.org/mock/iscsitarget-0.4.12-4.el4.kb.src.rpm |
| 21:44.29 | wethrin | Is it particularly memory-hungry? |
| 21:44.32 | z00dax | is the one that i am using - its dated, yes i know - but its been working fine for me, in my role - also using the newer ones require you to get a good match between the iscsi code and the kernel it was built for |
| 21:44.35 | wethrin | to work properly, that is |
| 21:45.18 | z00dax | i have gfs running on it - and it hosts my home file server of 2x200gb's and 2x500 gb's and 3x 120gb's |
| 21:45.39 | z00dax | runs off an amd 3200xp athlon with 256megs of ram |
| 21:46.16 | clive-h | I keep meaning to look at gfS |
| 21:49.28 | z00dax | wait for c5, lots of changes and updates including conga and clusterlvm |
| 21:49.53 | clive-h | Mmmm |
| 21:50.10 | clive-h | I might go for that |
| 21:51.26 | z00dax | clive-h: is there a decent curry place around here ? |
| 21:51.47 | clive-h | in lb bexley area? |
| 21:52.06 | clive-h | there's a few |
| 21:52.07 | z00dax | ja |
| 21:52.28 | wethrin | I'm install Debian |
| 21:52.31 | wethrin | on Sparc |
| 21:52.42 | z00dax | inspite of me having lived here for about 5 years + now, I've not really ever had anything local for the fear of wanting to leave the area then |
| 21:52.43 | clive-h | the one in my road is ok |
| 21:53.11 | z00dax | clive-h: the one on the left as you head in towards the roundabout in front of M ? |
| 21:53.14 | clive-h | i have a u5 that runs debian |
| 21:53.28 | z00dax | wethrin: potato ? |
| 21:53.39 | wethrin | z00dax: Nah. 3.1r5. Which I presume is etch |
| 21:53.42 | wethrin | Err, sarge |
| 21:53.45 | wethrin | Whatever. |
| 21:54.12 | clive-h | Before the retail park |
| 21:54.22 | antiphase | Is Debian stale new enough to support SPARC these days? :P |
| 21:54.30 | clive-h | There's a few actually |
| 21:54.37 | wethrin | antiphase: I'm not sure. It might be running it in 32-bit mode :) |
| 22:17.11 | z00dax | sparc in 32bit mode ? |
| 22:18.19 | z00dax | wow, that really would go back a bloody long time |
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| 22:18.20 | popey | evening everyone |
| 22:18.20 | popey | has caroline / secretlondon been around tonight? |
| 22:18.22 | clive-h | sun4u's like ultra1s |
| 22:18.25 | wethrin | She hasn't been on IRC for ages |
| 22:18.31 | popey | oh, ok |
| 22:18.38 | popey | i thought she popped in here now and then |
| 22:18.43 | z00dax | ibot: secretlondon |
| 22:18.44 | ibot | [secretlondon] probably in London, and otherwise a secret |
| 22:18.45 | wethrin | ~seen secretlondon |
| 22:19.22 | ibot | secretlondon <n=secretlo@wikipedia/secretlondon> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 43d 10h 1m 16s ago, saying: 'have fun!'. |
| 22:19.23 | z00dax | humm |
| 22:19.24 | popey | she has limited net access AIUI |
| 22:19.24 | clive-h | Everything since has been 64 bit |
| 22:19.24 | popey | ok, nvm :( |
| 22:19.24 | wethrin | popey: She's been posting quite a bit to LJ |
| 22:19.24 | popey | yes |
| 22:19.24 | popey | most recent one alarms me :( |
| 22:19.25 | wethrin | Posted in the last hour or so? |
| 22:19.31 | popey | 10:27pm |
| 22:23.40 | wethrin | Hmm |
| 22:23.46 | wethrin | Why does it alarm you? |
| 22:26.16 | clive-h | If it alarms you enough to fear for safety/life I'd suggest calling 999 |
| 22:26.45 | clive-h | That's certainly what I'd do |
| 22:30.31 | wethrin | Right....WTF does Debian do after mounting the root filesystem? It decides to confuse the serial consoel after that |
| 22:30.32 | clive-h | sparcs? |
| 22:30.32 | wethrin | yeah |
| 22:30.38 | clive-h | Indeed it does |
| 22:31.03 | wethrin | It's a bit rubbish |
| 22:31.16 | clive-h | It's the crap stuff it does |
| 22:31.32 | wethrin | But.....this is for hardware that's *supposed* to be run off serial console! |
| 22:31.40 | wethrin | Are all developers morons? |
| 22:31.46 | clive-h | Outputting X to the serial conole |
| 22:32.29 | wethrin | Yes, but it forced me to do a hard reset on the terminal |
| 22:32.30 | clive-h | I think you need to make it run at level 3 |
| 22:32.33 | wethrin | Which ANNOYS ME |
| 22:32.40 | wethrin | This is just after installation |
| 22:33.13 | clive-h | I'm not a debian person |
| 22:34.07 | wethrin | I don't regard myself as one. But I apparently now have 3 Debian machines. Out of 3 Linux machines. |
| 22:34.18 | wethrin | Naughty me |
| 22:34.42 | clive-h | That sounds unlucky or something |
| 22:34.55 | wethrin | It is. |
| 22:35.06 | wethrin | But it's a bit late to change the fileserver now |
| 22:35.18 | wethrin | And I'm not sure how well Slackware works on Sparc |
| 22:35.51 | clive-h | Slackware wouldn't be my choice either |
| 22:36.03 | wethrin | What's your poison of choice? |
| 22:36.40 | clive-h | Fedora at home/RHEL/Centos for work |
| 22:37.16 | clive-h | Solaris on sparc/OS X on PPC/macs |
| 22:38.33 | wethrin | Why Fedora? Used to RedHat historically? Or because it does something better? |
| 22:38.58 | clive-h | Historically I did SysV |
| 22:39.31 | wethrin | mmm... |
| 22:39.46 | clive-h | On linux I went SLS->Slackware-.Redhat |
| 22:40.02 | wethrin | And stuck with it? |
| 22:40.25 | clive-h | after Slackware didn't migrate to ELF |
| 22:40.44 | wethrin | It has done now |
| 22:40.47 | clive-h | in a sane timeframe |
| 22:40.50 | clive-h | Yes |
| 22:41.01 | wethrin | Wasn't that about the time Pat Volkerding was rather ill? |
| 22:41.11 | clive-h | I've been running Linux since 1992 |
| 22:42.14 | wethrin | Yes, well, you're old :-P |
| 22:42.22 | clive-h | I am |
| 22:43.13 | clive-h | Redhat skills are cool in London |
| 22:44.14 | wethrin | I've always favoured the general approach - if you know enough about lots of things, then specifics can always be hunted down in a manual |
| 22:44.46 | clive-h | I've adminned many many unix variants |
| 22:44.58 | wethrin | indeed |
| 22:45.13 | clive-h | I started on SVR2.1 |
| 22:46.31 | wethrin | That's, what, early 80s? |
| 22:46.40 | clive-h | I was quite a dab hand at booting from a mini-root that had no ls |
| 22:47.07 | wethrin | toggling switches? |
| 22:47.10 | clive-h | mid late 80s |
| 22:47.18 | wethrin | Not quite that old, then |
| 22:47.31 | gw280 | lalala |
| 22:47.32 | clive-h | ICL DRS/NX 400s |
| 22:47.50 | clive-h | 68K boxes |
| 22:50.07 | clive-h | I'm 50 I've worked in IT for a while |
| 22:50.36 | wethrin | Seen it all before :) |
| 22:51.13 | wethrin | Urgh. It's too hot in this room |
| 22:51.19 | clive-h | Done mainframe,supermincomputer stuff before unix |
| 22:58.22 | popey | wethrin: sorry, was mailing, it alarms me that someone would be quite so nasty to her |
| 22:58.32 | wethrin | Ahhh....yes |
| 22:58.35 | popey | the comment to her previous blog post |
| 22:58.47 | popey | somewhat cowardly to anonymously post like that |
| 22:59.25 | wethrin | Not necessarily - one would need to have an LJ account to not post anonymously. Unless you also mean not signing off... |
| 22:59.33 | popey | well, yes |
| 22:59.46 | z00dax | whats her lj username ? |
| 22:59.50 | z00dax | as in whats the blog url |
| 22:59.58 | wethrin | secretlondon |
| 23:00.08 | popey | http://secretlondon.livejournal.com/158846.html and the next post |
| 23:05.41 | wethrin | What was the joke she took objection to? |
| 23:06.05 | gw280 | MOO |
| 23:07.03 | wethrin | GEORGE! |
| 23:07.07 | gw280 | WETHRIN |
| 23:07.33 | clive-h | I think offending women is out of order# |
| 23:08.59 | wethrin | Except gw280 |
| 23:08.59 | popey | wethrin: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-March/003698.html |
| 23:09.08 | gw280 | I'm offending? |
| 23:09.18 | popey | it was partly the joke, partly the reaction from everyone else |
| 23:11.29 | wethrin | Is that particularly offensive? |
| 23:12.04 | gw280 | I'm not offensive |
| 23:12.05 | gw280 | you bastards. |
| 23:12.07 | gw280 | I HATE YOU ALL |
| 23:12.13 | wethrin | I've seen that joke going round loads of times |
| 23:12.37 | popey | are you female wethrin ? |
| 23:13.29 | gw280 | wethrin's definitely a girl |
| 23:13.31 | wethrin | Indeed :) |
| 23:13.41 | wethrin | gw280: Careful! I've got handbags! |
| 23:13.49 | popey | \o/ http://handbag.popey.com/ |
| 23:13.53 | popey | bet mines nicer |
| 23:14.16 | wethrin | Yes it is. Will it fit a couple of bricks in there for when swinging it at gw280 ? |
| 23:14.21 | popey | haha |
| 23:14.38 | gw280 | wethrin: and I have rifles |
| 23:16.09 | wethrin | Ahh....going for fighting at long-range. Wimp. |
| 23:16.33 | gw280 | I is a wimp? |
| 23:16.43 | gw280 | I'm having a pizza party tomorrow :D |
| 23:41.56 | wethrin | gw280: Hurrah! |
| 23:42.09 | gw280 | wethrin: indeed |
