| 00:00.12 | trousers_ | I'll ring them up later. |
| 00:00.19 | z00dax | andi also might take my G5 to work and use it there |
| 00:00.28 | z00dax | s|andi|and i| |
| 00:03.25 | z00dax | would still leave me with a lot of horsepower |
| 00:03.51 | z00dax | and the Alpha and Sparc need something doing to them as well |
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| 04:20.54 | Leeds | "HP, Duke University, The University of Minnesota, and Qwaq, Inc. have jointly announced the formation of The Croquet Consortium, Inc., a 501(3)c non-profit foundation dedicated to promoting the continued development and widespread adoption of open source Croquet technologies for use in education, research, and industry. The launch of The Croquet Consortium coincides with the Consortium’s release the open source Croquet Software Developer’s Kit 1.0 - |
| 04:20.55 | Leeds | - as free software under the Croquet Open Source License." |
| 04:21.24 | Leeds | really impressive how a paragraph that long can contain absolutely no meaningful content whatsoever |
| 04:24.19 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 04:24.42 | Leeds | no, gym time! |
| 04:24.48 | morsing | Beer |
| 04:25.02 | Leeds | no beer! |
| 04:25.28 | Leeds | I am currently not drinking booze... and I'm going to the gym - now. |
| 04:25.33 | morsing | Nice |
| 05:30.28 | morsing | Sausages |
| 05:44.49 | Leeds | no, tomato soup and muffins |
| 05:45.20 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 06:29.32 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 06:33.56 | morsing | z00dax? |
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| 06:55.41 | morsing | chris! |
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| 07:24.37 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
| 07:25.00 | SlayerXP | yo |
| 07:26.07 | morsing | Breakfast? |
| 07:27.33 | SlayerXP | i tend to have breakfast at about lunchtime |
| 07:28.14 | morsing | Nice |
| 07:28.17 | morsing | Haggis? |
| 07:28.22 | morsing | Or beer? |
| 07:31.06 | SlayerXP | it varies |
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| 08:03.56 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 08:08.48 | goibhniu | morsing! |
| 08:19.22 | morsing | Check it! |
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| 08:23.05 | morsing | PussInBoots! |
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| 08:46.32 | mumperer | moaning :) ! |
| 08:47.20 | goibhniu | mumperer? |
| 08:47.47 | mumperer | Yesseree goibhnui |
| 08:47.50 | goibhniu | is ubuntu getting you down again? |
| 08:48.23 | morsing | mumperer! |
| 08:48.32 | mumperer | goibhnui Nah - luv it to death! |
| 08:48.33 | morsing | Ubuntu sucks |
| 08:48.42 | morsing | mumperer: Can you fix mine? |
| 08:49.10 | mumperer | Well yeah - have you got an American screwdriver |
| 08:49.44 | morsing | Nice |
| 08:50.10 | antiphase | Maybe I ought to give AIX a go if it's that much easier than Ubuntu |
| 08:50.24 | mumperer | It could be that I don't know how stuffed I am - but it feels good ... |
| 08:51.18 | mumperer | Not good enough to stop me hankering after installing Debian though |
| 08:51.33 | morsing | antiphase: It is |
| 08:53.10 | mumperer | Er - I just had to elave the screen ti inspect our cat's invasion of the airing cupboard - aaaah! |
| 08:54.51 | mumperer | Whilst that shows how much my typing's gone to pot, I have a PC and will not have a laptop because my hand's too kernackered ... |
| 08:55.28 | mumperer | So - Ubuntu nice, so far. OK |
| 08:58.41 | hali | AIX is easier at basic admin tasks, thats why it's so popular with certain types of people |
| 08:58.53 | hali | it comes with a nice GUI tool to do most things |
| 08:59.01 | hali | smit, or smitty if you run it in text mode |
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| 09:02.46 | antiphase | So basically it's Windows then |
| 09:03.12 | morsing | JosefAssad! |
| 09:03.18 | morsing | hali: Sausages |
| 09:06.59 | JosefAssad | Trillian! |
| 09:16.02 | hali | morsing: i've had enough of those, im moving to bacon |
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| 09:23.45 | morsing | chr1s! |
| 09:34.32 | JosefAssad | Virginia! |
| 09:58.35 | wethrin | arr |
| 10:01.02 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 10:01.10 | wethrin | hi |
| 10:03.36 | morsing | How are you? |
| 10:10.41 | wethrin | Okay |
| 10:10.55 | morsing | wethrin: Well done. |
| 10:11.05 | morsing | Being ok has always been high on my list |
| 10:11.15 | wethrin | Good! |
| 10:36.24 | morsing | Beer |
| 10:36.26 | bilarh | is log4j generally quite 'heavy' on writes? |
| 10:36.30 | morsing | No |
| 10:36.32 | morsing | Or yes |
| 10:36.34 | morsing | Depending |
| 10:36.39 | morsing | Don't really know |
| 10:36.49 | morsing | filemon? |
| 10:36.57 | bilarh | ok, so what you're saying is that "yes, it may be, or it may not be" :P |
| 10:37.06 | hali | log4j is quite efficent, but it does sync() a lot |
| 10:37.21 | bilarh | it completely killed my app actually |
| 10:37.32 | hali | missconfigured appenders? |
| 10:37.36 | bilarh | about 50 threads writing to the same log file |
| 10:37.44 | bilarh | and i guess the writes have to be serialized as well :) |
| 10:38.00 | hali | hm, the threads shoudln't access the file? |
| 10:38.18 | bilarh | don't they have their own log4j instance? |
| 10:38.20 | hali | they should call the log4j method to write to the file and the log4j thread should do the writing? |
| 10:38.26 | bilarh | oh right |
| 10:38.34 | hali | i think it's serialized per default |
| 10:38.55 | bilarh | maybe it is misconfigured then.. it seemed that it was waiting for the writes to complete |
| 10:39.00 | hali | i remember it was dog slow when using a jdbc appender |
| 10:39.05 | bilarh | mind, i was writing about 5000 lines per second :P |
| 10:39.38 | bilarh | i'm going to avoid log4j in the future, i think |
| 10:39.56 | hali | log4j is quite defacto standard in most web and app containers... so it's hard to avoid |
| 10:39.59 | bilarh | or at least be careful with it :) |
| 10:52.00 | morsing | Nice |
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| 11:08.16 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 11:08.45 | dick_turpin | morsing! |
| 11:12.26 | morsing | Mmm... Laura |
| 11:13.52 | goibhniu | morsing: Palmer? |
| 11:14.02 | dick_turpin | Croft? |
| 11:14.18 | morsing | Lapsley - The payslip girl... |
| 11:14.25 | morsing | Laura Croft? What? |
| 11:14.47 | dick_turpin | Oops isnt it Lara? |
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| 11:27.06 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 11:27.19 | catalyst | morsing! :) |
| 11:29.35 | morsing | catalyst: Slow responding today? |
| 11:31.03 | catalyst | attempting to complete some coursework before I go home for the weekend |
| 11:31.45 | morsing | Nice. Got work yet? |
| 11:34.21 | catalyst | work? :) |
| 11:34.44 | morsing | Thought you were setting up a company? |
| 11:40.20 | morsing | ibot wake catalyst |
| 11:40.29 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on catalyst and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 11:40.55 | catalyst | yes, yes I am |
| 11:41.09 | catalyst | but I've got loads of uni work to do before I can concentrate on that full time |
| 11:54.10 | morsing | Check it! |
| 12:01.00 | morsing | Are mysql database name case sensitive? |
| 12:04.25 | morsing | Hello? |
| 12:04.28 | morsing | antiphase? |
| 12:12.41 | antiphase | Why would you ever need to know that? o_O |
| 12:12.48 | antiphase | Lower case is da bomb |
| 12:13.01 | antiphase | Caps are for Microsoft luvverz |
| 12:14.45 | antiphase | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/identifier-case-sensitivity.html |
| 12:14.49 | antiphase | Google wins again |
| 12:30.21 | morsing | What's Google? |
| 12:30.41 | morsing | antiphase: Don't worry, I won't be a lazy foreigner for much longer |
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| 12:34.33 | morsing | chr1s! |
| 12:45.21 | gregj | mysql is case insensitive by default |
| 12:45.25 | gregj | and it sux by default too |
| 12:45.36 | gregj | postgresql requires vacuum process for that ;) |
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| 13:08.05 | gregj | not funny, heh ? |
| 13:12.05 | gregj | ;p |
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| 13:27.32 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 13:40.38 | catalyst | morsing! |
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| 13:43.30 | gw280 | lalala |
| 13:45.44 | morsing | Mmm... Lard |
| 13:45.46 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 13:46.13 | wethrin | gw280 clearly has some issues he needs to sort out |
| 13:46.22 | gw280 | wethrin: I do? |
| 13:46.25 | dick_turpin | morsing I too scared to say anything incase you crush me, again. |
| 13:46.33 | wethrin | Yes |
| 13:46.38 | gw280 | wethrin: what? |
| 13:46.39 | morsing | dick_turpin: ? |
| 13:46.53 | morsing | dick_turpin: When have I ever crushed you? |
| 13:47.07 | dick_turpin | see what I mean, youre very hard work :-) |
| 13:47.11 | morsing | ? |
| 13:47.20 | morsing | wethrin: What's he on about? |
| 13:47.35 | dick_turpin | You didnt like my Lara joke |
| 13:47.37 | wethrin | dunno |
| 13:47.59 | morsing | dick_turpin: It wasn't a joke. And Laura is hotter than Lara anyway... |
| 13:49.02 | dick_turpin | I liked it |
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| 14:10.54 | morsing | Beer |
| 14:10.55 | dick_turpin | tonight |
| 14:12.38 | morsing | Beer |
| 14:23.01 | *** part/#gllug dick_turpin (n=dick_tur@host217-34-163-21.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 14:39.30 | *** part/#gllug mumperer (n=donald@rose963.demon.co.uk) |
| 14:49.22 | morsing | Nice |
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| 15:01.07 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 15:01.23 | catalyst` | morsing! |
| 15:01.38 | morsing | Bus++ |
| 15:02.22 | catalyst` | Journey = Bus .. Train |
| 15:05.16 | morsing | Nice |
| 15:06.20 | catalyst` | au revoiur! |
| 15:06.22 | catalyst` | bah |
| 15:06.24 | morsing | Bye |
| 15:06.26 | catalyst` | I can never spell that right |
| 15:06.31 | morsing | Good for you |
| 15:06.39 | catalyst` | :) |
| 15:13.29 | JosefAssad | what does one call the person who helps a magician out but pretends to be someoen from the audience? |
| 15:13.35 | JosefAssad | what was that bloody word... |
| 15:13.42 | boudiccas | sucker |
| 15:13.56 | boudiccas | a 'plant' |
| 15:14.17 | JosefAssad | eh, no. There's a word. GAH! |
| 15:14.22 | morsing | How long would CPU be high for after starting up MySQL if it has several GBs of DBs? |
| 15:14.38 | antiphase | Insufficient context |
| 15:14.38 | boudiccas | JosefAssad; why are they called a 'GAH'??? |
| 15:15.00 | morsing | How long would CPU be high for after starting up MySQL if it has several GBs of DBs? |
| 15:15.34 | antiphase | Insufficient context. How busy is it? What proportion of queries can you server from cache? etc. |
| 15:15.50 | morsing | antiphase: 99.9% |
| 15:16.01 | antiphase | Has it started serving answers yet? |
| 15:16.09 | morsing | Don't think so |
| 15:16.37 | cpufreak | took about 5 seconds for my mysqld to restart this morning following an apt-get upgrade of it. |
| 15:16.58 | cpufreak | with about 9GB of databases |
| 15:17.06 | morsing | This sucks |
| 15:17.14 | boudiccas | gravity sucks |
| 15:17.15 | hali | it will take more cpu if tables are pinned to memory |
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| 15:20.50 | morsing | clive-h! |
| 15:21.00 | JosefAssad | CONFEDERATE |
| 15:21.05 | clive-h | Hi morsing |
| 15:21.13 | boudiccas | JosefAssad; plant |
| 15:21.14 | JosefAssad | eh... wikipedia truly has everything |
| 15:21.46 | JosefAssad | boudiccas: plant works also, but it strikes me as very British. I think confederate might be more neutral |
| 15:22.03 | boudiccas | JosefAssad; true |
| 15:23.39 | JosefAssad | odd, :setlocal spell no longer highlights errors... |
| 15:23.58 | JosefAssad | Oh, it does. I just needed to spell somethig wrong. Stupid me |
| 15:24.34 | boudiccas | JosefAssad; so, are you a wizard then or a warlock setting all these spells |
| 15:25.10 | JosefAssad | eh? |
| 15:25.52 | boudiccas | JosefAssad; you said 'odd, :setlocal spell no longer highlights error' therefore, you were setting a spell |
| 15:26.21 | boudiccas | albeit a local spell |
| 15:28.22 | boudiccas | JosefAssad; don't worry, this is just silliness due to me being a bit stressed from having a job interview |
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| 15:36.17 | Cope | ibot change 5300 usd to gbp |
| 16:35.12 | gw280 | GRARGH NX |
| 16:43.25 | Cope | .. |
| 17:02.49 | wethrin | rar |
| 17:03.10 | trousers_ | tar |
| 17:06.46 | wethrin | I'm hungry |
| 17:13.11 | trousers_ | Eating typically helps :P |
| 17:15.06 | wethrin | yeah |
| 17:18.27 | wethrin | Waa. I don't have enough money :( |
| 17:31.17 | gw280 | wethrin: stop buying crap at waitrose then, you layabout studen |
| 17:31.17 | gw280 | t |
| 17:31.42 | wethrin | Maybe I should stop buying curries! |
| 17:31.56 | cpufreak | make your own |
| 17:32.12 | wethrin | That involves effort |
| 17:32.19 | wethrin | Sometimes I just can't be arsed |
| 17:33.58 | gw280 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=WzsmIxrwki4 |
| 17:34.02 | gw280 | CLASSICS LESSON! :D |
| 17:34.50 | wethrin | YAy! |
| 17:35.21 | wethrin | "doubtless you would recall had you not attended the LSE" |
| 17:35.21 | gw280 | "or doubtless, you would have recalled, had you not attended the LSE" |
| 17:35.24 | wethrin | boom |
| 17:35.42 | gw280 | the LSE sucks :D |
| 17:35.52 | wethrin | It's one of the few times that Bernard gets any words in |
| 17:35.57 | gw280 | indeed |
| 17:35.59 | gw280 | it's hilarious :D |
| 17:36.04 | gw280 | I loved Greek and Latin |
| 17:36.09 | wethrin | mad person |
| 17:36.52 | gw280 | no |
| 17:50.13 | gw280 | hi Cope |
| 17:50.15 | wethrin | Cope! |
| 17:50.27 | gw280 | ew |
| 18:53.55 | wethrin | Hm |
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| 19:05.48 | gw280 | PIZZA |
| 19:05.51 | gw280 | I NEED FOOD DAMN IT |
| 19:05.59 | wethrin | Pizza++ # was tasty, but now gone |
| 19:14.12 | gw280 | hrm |
| 19:14.19 | gw280 | I'm too lazy to get out of bed to go get food |
| 19:14.24 | gw280 | won't kill me to miss a meal anyway |
| 19:31.54 | wethrin | So phone for delivery |
| 19:40.37 | z00dax | gw280: i can dcc some food over |
| 19:46.56 | gw280 | lol |
| 20:08.09 | gw280 | I now have a tub of ben & jerrys |
| 20:23.44 | wethrin | fat bastard |
| 20:27.18 | gw280 | wethrin: I'm having a girlie evening :P |
| 20:28.03 | wethrin | Bastard. |
| 20:28.29 | gw280 | wethrin: surely 'bitch' would be more appropriate? |
| 20:28.34 | wethrin | Get her! |
| 20:33.11 | boudiccas | gw280; hah! you haven't got any pepper, you're eating ice cream in bed |
| 20:33.18 | gw280 | boudiccas: shush |
| 20:33.24 | gw280 | I'm bored |
| 20:33.34 | gw280 | I'm watching Cube |
| 20:34.00 | z00dax | i have so many machines - not one of them can do pacifia or vt |
| 20:34.19 | z00dax | i need more machines |
| 20:34.23 | boudiccas | lol |
| 20:34.41 | z00dax | http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7515/00001aj5.jpg |
| 20:34.46 | clive-h | I bought this one for 299 |
| 20:34.53 | z00dax | geek p0rn |
| 20:35.00 | clive-h | It's athlon 64 x 2 |
| 20:35.05 | clive-h | Does pacifica |
| 20:35.54 | boudiccas | z00dax; 1TB!!!! |
| 20:36.04 | z00dax | damn. when i built my first x86_64 machine - that was a amd64-3000 the first 939 chip based one - and cost me around £580 |
| 20:36.20 | clive-h | This was this year |
| 20:36.35 | z00dax | was about 2 years back though, not that I've used it for anything much besides building rpms and as my desktop for a very short while |
| 20:36.37 | clive-h | Prices have fallen somewhat |
| 20:36.49 | z00dax | its now my vmware-server host, need to transition that to xen soon, once c5 is out |
| 20:37.01 | z00dax | boudiccas: yea, someone i know is testing it for them |
| 20:37.05 | z00dax | note the serial number |
| 20:37.20 | z00dax | aaaaaaah he blurr'd it out |
| 20:37.32 | clive-h | This is my desktop |
| 20:37.35 | boudiccas | yes, i wonder why :) |
| 20:38.14 | clive-h | Xen doesn't support sound on this box so I don't run that |
| 20:38.41 | z00dax | my main desktop is my Mac G5, running centos-5 now, my other real desktop is my laptop which i use about 60% more than the desktop |
| 20:39.06 | z00dax | cant wait for Xen/ppc to become a bit more stable and usable |
| 20:39.23 | boudiccas | z00dax; centos-5 beta or testing stable? |
| 20:39.27 | clive-h | My mac is a G4 not smp |
| 20:39.34 | z00dax | clive-h: you might be able to get an el-cheapo 32bit soundcard somewhere that does work with xen |
| 20:39.51 | z00dax | boudiccas: on the G5 ? its a kinda rawhide'ish centos-5/final |
| 20:40.01 | z00dax | my laptop is c5/final :) |
| 20:40.05 | clive-h | I'm not employed presently so new hardware is tricky |
| 20:40.32 | boudiccas | is c5/final available for testing? |
| 20:40.34 | clive-h | I ought to grab c5 final really |
| 20:40.43 | z00dax | boudiccas: not yet, it will be in a day or so |
| 20:40.59 | boudiccas | k, ty. i'm interested in testing it :) |
| 20:41.07 | clive-h | I could bung it on my laptop |
| 20:41.09 | z00dax | it went out to -qa yesterday, and in brilliant qa style, they wait till the last freaking minute before reporting 18 issues |
| 20:41.34 | z00dax | and all of them trivial, imho - in their opinion - blockers |
| 20:41.40 | boudiccas | easily solvable issues i hope? |
| 20:42.24 | z00dax | yea, typo's here and there - a build order issue, a parted dep issue, someone found Fedora mentioned somewhere, another chap found something that might if looked at in a specific angle be the redhat shadowman logo . etc |
| 20:44.41 | gw280 | OOH I CAN CUDDLE MY PIKACHU! :D |
| 20:44.56 | clive-h | I ought to volunteer to do rpm builds for stuff I suppose on Fedora or Centos |
| 20:45.09 | z00dax | that would be really cool |
| 20:45.20 | z00dax | fedora has lots of people - centos needs people to help out |
| 20:45.47 | clive-h | I did rpms for the BBC when I worked for BBC Technology |
| 20:46.13 | z00dax | there does seem to be much centos usage at the bbc these days |
| 20:46.34 | clive-h | We were using RHEL 4 then |
| 20:46.43 | z00dax | i bet they still are |
| 20:46.46 | clive-h | and Solaris |
| 20:46.53 | z00dax | but they seem to also be using some centos |
| 20:47.02 | clive-h | I did solaris packages too |
| 20:47.06 | z00dax | so the bbc, any fun to work there ? |
| 20:47.15 | z00dax | y |
| 20:47.19 | clive-h | It was a hell of a commute |
| 20:47.23 | z00dax | you can do rpms on solaris :) |
| 20:47.33 | z00dax | where were/are they based ? |
| 20:47.44 | clive-h | pkgadd is the native format on solaris |
| 20:47.52 | clive-h | maidenhead |
| 20:48.17 | z00dax | you were doing crayford -> maidenhead daily ? |
| 20:48.26 | clive-h | yes |
| 20:48.33 | clive-h | Very very painful |
| 20:48.34 | z00dax | u da man |
| 20:48.42 | clive-h | 3 hours each way at best |
| 20:49.03 | clive-h | 3 month contract |
| 20:50.16 | clive-h | I was so glad when it was over |
| 20:51.57 | z00dax | i would have taken up a place on rent nearer to work if it was 3 months |
| 20:52.19 | clive-h | In retrospect I should have |
| 20:52.56 | clive-h | My first contract role though |
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| 21:02.54 | morsing | ceronman! |
| 21:03.13 | z00dax | morsing: |
| 21:03.19 | morsing | clive-h: Sounds like fun :) |
| 21:03.21 | morsing | z00dax! |
| 21:03.38 | z00dax | morsing: curry ? |
| 21:05.06 | clive-h | Fun: two trains,a tube and a cab each way |
| 21:05.06 | wethrin | Curry! |
| 21:05.14 | clive-h | It did pay well though |
| 21:06.18 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 21:06.26 | morsing | z00dax: Yes - just had one |
| 21:07.52 | ceronman | hello morsing |
| 21:08.05 | wethrin | morsing! |
| 21:08.55 | z00dax | clive-h: cant really do that sort of a thing for too long through |
| 21:08.57 | z00dax | though |
| 21:09.30 | clive-h | It was only 3 months |
| 21:09.59 | morsing | My contract has a termination period from the company (4 weeks) but not for me |
| 21:10.06 | morsing | Is that bad? |
| 21:10.25 | clive-h | That sounds a bit bad |
| 21:10.45 | morsing | Hmm... So it should explicitely state my termination period? |
| 21:11.05 | clive-h | I'd expect it too yes |
| 21:11.08 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 21:11.17 | morsing | Crap, getting more and more delayed |
| 21:11.31 | z00dax | yes, bonded labour is kinda illegal now isnt it ? |
| 21:11.35 | z00dax | be nice if you could leave them |
| 21:11.55 | clive-h | Though the Employment Acts do have statutory provisions |
| 21:14.28 | morsing | This is stupid, first they get the start date wrong and now this |
| 21:14.44 | morsing | What should I say - like four weeeks? Two weeks? |
| 21:14.50 | clive-h | How long have you been there? |
| 21:15.14 | morsing | -34 days |
| 21:15.24 | z00dax | if you make it the same as their term, you are covered each way |
| 21:15.39 | clive-h | 1 week sounds about right then |
| 21:16.14 | morsing | 1 week? For a 5 month contract? |
| 21:16.37 | clive-h | It's normally 1 week under 3 months service |
| 21:16.42 | clive-h | Then a month |
| 21:17.12 | clive-h | You should have parity with their options to terminate |
| 21:19.41 | morsing | I though when it was a contract it didn't change |
| 21:20.00 | morsing | Is there anything else I need to check reading through this? |
| 21:20.05 | clive-h | Depends on the terms of the contract |
| 21:20.13 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 21:20.39 | clive-h | If your termination options aren't specified assume parity with theirs |
| 21:20.48 | morsing | Ok |
| 21:21.18 | morsing | Unless otherwise stated in the Project Schedule or in clauses 12(b) or 12(c) below, there is no provision for early termination of this contract by either party. |
| 21:21.43 | clive-h | and what do those say? |
| 21:22.01 | morsing | Incompentence or conduct etc |
| 21:22.37 | clive-h | Then they might hold you to the full term |
| 21:23.13 | morsing | Nice - need a new contract |
| 21:23.17 | morsing | OR another job |
| 21:24.05 | clive-h | I need a job full stop |
| 21:24.17 | clive-h | But I think it's doable |
| 21:24.31 | morsing | Oh hang on... I waas reading the agency's contract with the client |
| 21:24.37 | morsing | That's different |
| 21:24.53 | morsing | Project Schedule |
| 21:25.41 | goibhniu | morsing: afaik they can't hold you to anything that isn't legal, I'd say you have a right to quit with a months notice regardless of the contract |
| 21:26.13 | morsing | goibhniu: I'm payed weekly though which in DK would mean a weeks notice |
| 21:26.27 | clive-h | Ahhh |
| 21:26.37 | morsing | clive-h: ? |
| 21:26.43 | clive-h | Are you working in DK? |
| 21:26.51 | morsing | No |
| 21:26.58 | morsing | Just comparing |
| 21:27.03 | clive-h | Then UK law is gonna apply |
| 21:27.11 | hali | you dawwgs |
| 21:27.20 | clive-h | I'd say a max of a month |
| 21:27.27 | clive-h | possibly a week |
| 21:27.32 | morsing | clive-h: Well of course... |
| 21:28.00 | clive-h | Ask their HR on Monday |
| 21:28.06 | morsing | clive-h: But should still be in the contract? |
| 21:28.26 | clive-h | It is usual to be explicitly stated |
| 21:28.36 | morsing | clive-h: I'm getting this done through the agency. They need to change the contract |
| 21:29.09 | goibhniu | morsing: there are also some things you could have a look at relating to ir35 |
| 21:30.43 | morsing | goibhniu: I've sent it to my accountant |
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| 21:36.25 | wethrin | tarragon! |
| 21:36.35 | tarragon | wethrin, !!! |
| 21:37.42 | goibhniu | morsing: might be worth a look anyway http://www.biteconsulting.co.uk/ir35info/contract_advice.htm |
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| 22:29.40 | gw280 | lalala |
| 22:30.28 | tarragon | Going mad? |
| 22:31.00 | gw280 | already happened, kind sir. |
| 22:34.08 | tarragon | surely not! It is the weekend with a whole two days of no work |
| 23:12.53 | wethrin | rar |
| 23:13.01 | gw280 | rar x wethrin |
| 23:14.32 | wethrin | Yar |
| 23:21.18 | wethrin | Sleeptime. Have a good weekend, folks! |
