| 01:56.27 | z00dax | hello all you crazy people |
| 01:56.46 | z00dax | sabinef72: hi |
| 01:57.54 | clive-h | lo |
| 01:58.30 | z00dax | you should be sleeping right now |
| 01:59.06 | clive-h | can't sleep |
| 01:59.16 | z00dax | fancy a pint ? |
| 01:59.39 | clive-h | no pubs open i think |
| 01:59.53 | z00dax | are there nono 24 hr pubs in the vicinity ? |
| 02:00.14 | clive-h | not that i'm aware of |
| 02:00.48 | z00dax | there is one in blackheath, but thats a bit of a trek |
| 02:00.52 | clive-h | and no public transport anyway |
| 02:01.02 | z00dax | i am sure there must be one closer, but am not aware of it |
| 02:01.45 | clive-h | possibly dartford |
| 02:04.02 | clive-h | crayford isn't an all night town |
| 02:04.40 | clive-h | and dartford will be mostly shut today (sunday) |
| 02:05.59 | z00dax | dartford humm.... not much of a night town that either |
| 02:06.13 | clive-h | no indeed |
| 02:06.19 | z00dax | have you seen the signs up around dartford town that say "this is an alcohol contolled zone" |
| 02:06.30 | clive-h | is it? |
| 02:06.34 | clive-h | eeep |
| 02:07.00 | z00dax | i am not sure what that means |
| 02:07.09 | clive-h | mind you it doesn't have any off licences at night |
| 02:07.31 | clive-h | can't drink in the street |
| 02:07.43 | z00dax | i thought that was illegal anyway ? |
| 02:07.48 | z00dax | or is that only in the US |
| 02:07.57 | clive-h | not historically |
| 02:08.00 | z00dax | humm maybe only in the US |
| 02:08.20 | clive-h | some places have that here |
| 02:08.42 | clive-h | it's perfectly legal in crayford |
| 02:09.06 | z00dax | some of the pubs in the city might have a problem if it was banned - most of their clients just flow out onto the streets |
| 02:09.13 | clive-h | quite |
| 02:09.47 | z00dax | are you going down to maidstone for the next kent lug meeting ? on the 13th april |
| 02:10.06 | clive-h | i'll think about it |
| 02:10.17 | z00dax | it is a Friday the 13th |
| 02:10.29 | clive-h | and look at train times |
| 02:11.07 | clive-h | i have a nasty feeling the last up train from rochester is around 10 |
| 02:11.38 | z00dax | i am going to drive |
| 02:11.45 | clive-h | given it's 10:30 here |
| 02:12.33 | z00dax | but will be in the city @ work during the day, prolly be driving back via dartford at 6:45 pm 'ish |
| 02:12.42 | z00dax | you are most welcome to come along |
| 02:12.44 | clive-h | i'll certainly do the next gllug |
| 02:13.01 | clive-h | i'll take you up on that |
| 02:13.16 | z00dax | cool :) |
| 02:13.54 | clive-h | be nice to go to a kent lug |
| 02:14.07 | z00dax | I've never been before |
| 02:15.05 | clive-h | i used to go to gllugs years ago |
| 02:18.35 | z00dax | I've only really been going for about 2 years now - been on this channel for about 3 yers now |
| 02:18.44 | z00dax | humm ... bad typo day for me |
| 02:19.17 | clive-h | i know murb,spudulike, slayerxp here i think |
| 02:19.37 | clive-h | well actually i do know them |
| 02:19.52 | z00dax | I've met slayerxp very briefly recently - but ont murb and spudulike |
| 02:20.00 | z00dax | hey no wait, i know murb :) |
| 02:20.22 | z00dax | he was at fosdem as well |
| 02:20.55 | clive-h | i think i've met leeds too |
| 02:23.32 | z00dax | we need to get a picture of you on the irc faces page |
| 02:24.28 | clive-h | I suspect i can scan one at some point |
| 02:24.49 | z00dax | email me something and i can get it up there |
| 02:25.15 | clive-h | there's an ancient one on my homepage |
| 02:35.29 | z00dax | i'd wait for final |
| 02:35.45 | z00dax | couple of issues reported on t3 that might get in the way of proper updates later |
| 02:36.19 | clive-h | i'd just put it on a test laptop |
| 02:36.55 | z00dax | go for it - final will have nv drivers as well |
| 02:37.00 | z00dax | i think t3 does too |
| 02:37.25 | clive-h | i don't need nv |
| 02:38.01 | clive-h | it has an intel gma chipset |
| 02:38.33 | clive-h | it even runs os x on a lcd monitor |
| 02:39.57 | z00dax | nice |
| 02:40.25 | clive-h | well sub optimal |
| 02:40.52 | clive-h | it won't run it on the attached tft |
| 02:41.20 | z00dax | hummm why ? |
| 02:42.09 | clive-h | apparently needs some kind of dongle on the external vga |
| 02:42.39 | clive-h | i gave up at that point |
| 02:43.39 | clive-h | i'd love it multi-boot xp,fedora,solaris and os x |
| 02:43.45 | clive-h | to boot |
| 02:44.19 | clive-h | though i rarely use anything other linux |
| 02:46.57 | z00dax | does it have vt ? |
| 02:47.05 | z00dax | you could maybe full virt the os's |
| 02:47.36 | clive-h | alas no |
| 02:47.47 | clive-h | no vt |
| 02:47.59 | clive-h | t2060 |
| 02:48.08 | z00dax | just missed it |
| 02:48.30 | clive-h | crap core duo without vt |
| 02:48.56 | z00dax | you missed it by about 3 months or something |
| 02:49.18 | clive-h | my desktop has pacifica |
| 02:49.51 | z00dax | you mentioned |
| 02:50.38 | clive-h | i don't necessarily lack of vt-x on a laptop as a major pain as yet |
| 02:50.40 | z00dax | anyone used or signed up at mugshot.org ? |
| 02:50.45 | clive-h | see |
| 02:51.18 | clive-h | no idea what that is |
| 02:54.17 | clive-h | vmware works fine and is free |
| 02:54.29 | z00dax | is slow though |
| 02:54.50 | clive-h | well yes |
| 02:55.22 | clive-h | i still can't get xen to work on the amd with xp |
| 03:00.20 | z00dax | ever used scribes the text editor ? |
| 03:00.40 | clive-h | i don't think so |
| 03:00.53 | z00dax | lots of snippet support, nice |
| 03:01.06 | z00dax | although even gedit does snippets these days |
| 03:01.47 | clive-h | i use emacs |
| 03:02.26 | clive-h | or eclipse when coding |
| 03:02.41 | z00dax | humm.. 2 extremes |
| 03:03.16 | clive-h | i have a komodo license as well |
| 03:04.44 | clive-h | it depends what i'm editing and why |
| 03:06.44 | clive-h | gentoo defaults to nano |
| 03:07.01 | clive-h | which is appalling |
| 03:07.02 | z00dax | thats ok, no one uses gentoo :) |
| 03:07.18 | clive-h | except my ex-boss |
| 03:08.05 | clive-h | those boxes were a challenge |
| 03:08.34 | clive-h | 3 gentoo boxes out of the 3 server farms |
| 03:09.41 | clive-h | for everything else i built rpms for either rh9 or centos |
| 03:09.58 | clive-h | and rolled em out |
| 03:33.25 | clive-h | scribes looks interesting |
| 03:34.12 | z00dax | yeah, specially for short scripting |
| 03:34.42 | clive-h | the demo isn't optimised for modern laptops |
| 03:35.18 | clive-h | which tend to be 1280x800 rather 1280x1024 |
| 03:35.54 | z00dax | widescreen'ess |
| 03:36.02 | z00dax | my laptop is 1680x1050 |
| 03:36.33 | clive-h | 17" laptop? |
| 03:36.42 | z00dax | 15.4" wide |
| 03:37.01 | z00dax | its an Acer Ferrari 4005, have had it for almost a year and a half now |
| 03:37.03 | clive-h | mine is 15.4 |
| 03:37.45 | clive-h | 1680 would be a trial with my eyesight |
| 03:37.57 | z00dax | :) I use 9 point fonts as well |
| 03:38.25 | clive-h | mine's also an acer but aspire not ferrari |
| 03:38.29 | z00dax | you should see gw280 use 9 point fonts on his 12" display |
| 03:38.38 | clive-h | eeep |
| 03:39.59 | z00dax | and he uses kde, so everything is smaller anyway |
| 03:40.01 | clive-h | i use gnome |
| 03:40.15 | z00dax | i tend to switch on and off- but work and stable desktops are all gnome only |
| 03:40.58 | clive-h | well mostly |
| 03:41.16 | clive-h | this is the crap laptop |
| 03:41.29 | clive-h | and it runs xfce |
| 03:41.41 | z00dax | oh.. nice |
| 03:41.58 | clive-h | celeron m 1.5Ghz |
| 03:42.38 | clive-h | it's fine for web browsing and irc |
| 03:42.56 | z00dax | more than |
| 03:43.05 | clive-h | and sits by the bed when i'm not using it |
| 03:43.18 | z00dax | I have a 2.0Ghz Turion in my laptop - I'd be surprised if i run it more than 800Mhz |
| 03:43.48 | z00dax | I've got the sysm cpuspeed thing turned off, so it comes on at full blast, then the cpuspeed is started with an at job 5 min later, by which time I've got all my apps etc loaded |
| 03:44.09 | clive-h | celeron's don't do speedstep |
| 03:44.13 | z00dax | at all ? |
| 03:44.21 | clive-h | indeed |
| 03:44.33 | z00dax | damn, does that not cut into battery life ? |
| 03:44.39 | clive-h | yes |
| 03:44.48 | z00dax | I'd be screwed for battery life running at 2.0ghz all the time |
| 03:45.04 | clive-h | but this is a home only laptop |
| 03:45.49 | z00dax | http://www.discountlaptops.com/index.php?section=catagory&include_type=20 |
| 03:45.51 | z00dax | :) |
| 03:45.53 | clive-h | it's purpose is to let me irc/web browse from bed |
| 03:45.56 | z00dax | thats a man sized laptop |
| 03:47.37 | z00dax | imagine carrying around a 20" display |
| 03:47.42 | clive-h | that's a beast |
| 03:48.29 | clive-h | that's a desktop replacement |
| 03:49.16 | clive-h | nice spec rather spendy |
| 03:50.36 | clive-h | and doesn't say the cpu spec |
| 03:52.32 | clive-h | 7.1 audio is isane on a laptop |
| 03:52.48 | clive-h | insane |
| 03:54.40 | z00dax | they have a few options |
| 03:54.56 | z00dax | on cpu and ram and hdd etc, i know they do a laptop with 2 sata drives with h/w raid |
| 03:55.13 | clive-h | it's nice |
| 03:55.23 | clive-h | expensive |
| 03:56.12 | clive-h | and i'd rather use a desktop for that size screen |
| 03:56.43 | z00dax | http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php/products_id/1633?wconfigure=yes |
| 03:57.16 | z00dax | upto 2 hdd's and 4 gigs of ram - you even get a choice on how you want it finished |
| 03:57.26 | z00dax | in paint colours and matt/gloss options |
| 03:57.55 | clive-h | haha |
| 03:57.58 | z00dax | i wonder what btty life is.... 15 minutes |
| 03:58.35 | clive-h | i'd rather have a laptop i can carry |
| 04:00.50 | z00dax | portability! |
| 04:00.54 | z00dax | ok, time to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 04:01.08 | clive-h | i just use this to irc etc watching telly in bed |
| 04:01.16 | clive-h | good night |
| 06:02.21 | morsing | clive-h! |
| 06:09.02 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 06:20.21 | morsing | 'morning all? |
| 06:32.13 | morsing | :( |
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| 07:30.15 | morsing | niv_one_three! |
| 07:38.14 | niv_one_three | morning |
| 07:38.36 | morsing | niv_one_three: How do I get the diffuser thingy off my shower head? |
| 07:38.41 | niv_one_three | any idea how to fix a samba issue? |
| 07:38.50 | morsing | No? |
| 07:39.34 | niv_one_three | session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) |
| 08:44.57 | morsing | Beer |
| 08:45.44 | niv_one_three | no way |
| 08:46.00 | niv_one_three | (niv is working as in israel sun=work |
| 08:46.08 | niv_one_three | fri-sat = weekend |
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| 11:05.53 | gw280 | z00dax: I use 6pt |
| 11:35.05 | morsing | gw280: |
| 11:35.08 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 11:41.44 | trousers_ | morsing! |
| 11:43.39 | morsing | trousers_! |
| 11:43.42 | morsing | Mmm... Elgar |
| 11:44.11 | morsing | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Elgar |
| 11:46.13 | morsing | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_smith |
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| 11:52.05 | goibhniu | morsing! |
| 12:00.40 | trousers_ | morsing: Ssh :P |
| 12:03.06 | trousers_ | New 20 pound note is really horrible. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/05/20_pound_not_2007.PNG |
| 12:12.45 | hali | i'ts alright, i've got a few from cash points |
| 12:12.55 | hali | it "feels" more difficult to forge |
| 12:13.10 | hali | better paper and metal stuff in it |
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| 12:51.05 | niv_one_three | better metal ... hali? |
| 12:54.09 | hali | it's got metal stripes in it |
| 12:54.47 | niv_one_three | hali: what has metal strips? is it comfratable? |
| 12:54.59 | hali | thin stripes to make it more difficult to forge... |
| 12:55.10 | hali | it's just a few nm thick |
| 12:55.48 | hali | probably some naon technology to track our movements and transactions |
| 12:55.52 | hali | nano* |
| 12:56.47 | boudiccas | JosefAssad; £20 note |
| 12:57.39 | z00dax | gw280: my terminal font does not scale to 9pt |
| 12:58.32 | boudiccas | z00dax; re 13/4/07. kitty won't be there [probably] as her boyfriedn is coming down to see her |
| 13:00.34 | niv_one_three | is it legal to missing rent on the account its april 1st / |
| 13:00.35 | niv_one_three | ? |
| 13:00.45 | niv_one_three | may it be considered a gag? |
| 13:03.59 | hali | only if you are ok with your landlord kicking you out, as a gag |
| 13:05.25 | z00dax | boudiccas: ack |
| 13:05.57 | z00dax | boudiccas: I shall be there, and bring clive-h with me |
| 13:06.05 | boudiccas | z00dax; sorry, thats the message she asked me to pass on |
| 13:06.09 | z00dax | unless there is a change in plan |
| 13:06.25 | boudiccas | z00dax; :) i look forward to it |
| 13:14.13 | gw280 | z00dax: ok |
| 13:14.18 | gw280 | z00dax: I use a bitmap 6pt font |
| 13:17.31 | z00dax | is that why you screen scroll is so slow |
| 13:17.35 | z00dax | no wait, thats akde :) |
| 13:17.41 | gw280 | z00dax: screen scroll? |
| 13:17.44 | z00dax | s/akde/a kde pp/ |
| 13:17.46 | gw280 | z00dax: mine's incredibly fast |
| 13:17.59 | z00dax | umm no its not, it staggers on its way up |
| 13:17.59 | gw280 | z00dax: bitmap fonts make scrolling in konsole blazingly fast |
| 13:18.24 | z00dax | gw280: relatively faster than other stuff - but gnome-terminal is just fast anyway |
| 13:18.44 | gw280 | z00dax: it's much much faster than gnome-terminal |
| 13:18.53 | gw280 | z00dax: have you seen my machine scroll? :P |
| 13:19.56 | z00dax | i am on a few mailing lists |
| 13:20.07 | z00dax | gw280: your laptop yes |
| 13:20.26 | gw280 | z00dax: I doubt it |
| 13:20.47 | z00dax | what fps do you get on the laptop in glxgears ? |
| 13:22.38 | z00dax | [kbsingh@zen ~]$ glxgears |
| 13:22.38 | z00dax | 45973 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9194.480 FPS |
| 13:22.38 | z00dax | 60647 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12129.310 FPS |
| 13:22.48 | z00dax | clearly Gnome-Terminal is faster! |
| 13:24.04 | gw280 | ... |
| 13:24.13 | gw280 | this machine has intel extreme graphics |
| 13:24.24 | z00dax | excuses.. |
| 13:24.55 | gw280 | this is uncomfortable |
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| 17:31.47 | z00dax | does anyone have a access to a fast internet link that i might be able to use for a short while ? |
| 17:32.02 | z00dax | I need to upload a few .iso's and need something in the megs/sec upload capacity |
| 17:32.19 | z00dax | my 446kb/sec is going to take almost a week to get them all online |
| 17:32.37 | clive-h | i have less than that |
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| 22:27.18 | z00dax | hello |
| 22:27.39 | hali | 'lo |
| 22:27.42 | clive-h | hi |
| 22:28.15 | z00dax | hali: i need to borrow a bit of your 50mb/sec link to the internet |
| 22:30.51 | hali | hm, can do 3mb/sec or so perhaps |
| 22:31.20 | z00dax | is that a lowercase m or a uppercase M |
| 22:31.36 | clive-h | linux traffic shaping++ |
| 22:31.46 | hali | megabytes i have no idea how to case stuff :) |
| 22:32.03 | z00dax | thats almost ethernet 100mbps speeds |
| 22:32.20 | z00dax | yes, I can use that. need to get a bunch of iso's uploaded. |
| 22:32.28 | hali | thats just 24mbit's |
| 22:32.53 | hali | ssh ftp http? |
| 22:32.55 | hali | what do you need |
| 22:33.10 | z00dax | rsync :) |
| 22:33.18 | hali | hm, i have two boxes... one fast with limited disk and one slightly slower with lots of disk |
| 22:33.31 | z00dax | how do i get the isos' over to you ? |
| 22:33.42 | hali | can't do rsync |
| 22:33.51 | hali | unless you ssh tunnel in or something |
| 22:34.04 | z00dax | i can change the rsync port to :80 if that helps ? |
| 22:34.20 | hali | httpd's running already |
| 22:34.31 | clive-h | if you have limited uplink how is it gonna help? |
| 22:34.34 | z00dax | i need to upload these, not download |
| 22:34.47 | hali | well, i take it someone will download them? |
| 22:34.53 | hali | you're not going to totaly cane my bandwidth for a the next 4 weeks are you? |
| 22:35.13 | z00dax | its 2 DVD's and 12 cd isos' |
| 22:35.18 | clive-h | you'd still be limited to 440K uplink anyway |
| 22:35.19 | z00dax | 15 GB in all |
| 22:35.34 | z00dax | I can drop them on a external HDD and drive over to wherever you might be |
| 22:35.42 | hali | if you go to sweden :) |
| 22:35.47 | hali | all my boxes are hosted there |
| 22:35.50 | hali | ok, lets see how fast my box monroe is |
| 22:35.55 | z00dax | humm |
| 22:36.22 | hali | or hm, they are on your locally at your place now? |
| 22:36.29 | clive-h | that'd be an interesting drive |
| 22:36.36 | z00dax | hali: yes |
| 22:36.41 | hali | i thought you had them on a fast box and neeeded another fast box |
| 22:37.12 | hali | hmmm... i do have the sohonet link at work |
| 22:37.18 | z00dax | i have a login on heanet and on a few other similar fast boxen, but my own download here is a pathetic adsl |
| 22:37.59 | clive-h | i have zilch uplink |
| 22:38.11 | clive-h | even more puny dsl |
| 22:38.22 | z00dax | clive-h: you do know that this area now has benow ? |
| 22:38.29 | clive-h | 15gb would take a week |
| 22:38.31 | z00dax | so you can get 24/2.3 now |
| 22:38.43 | clive-h | yeah i've pondered be |
| 22:38.51 | z00dax | i wonder where mozrat is these days :) |
| 22:39.07 | clive-h | but i have adslmax and i get 3mb at best |
| 22:39.32 | hali | z00dax: i could upload them to my colobox from work |
| 22:39.36 | z00dax | my friend, setting up a game server network in the uk, decided on a rather offtrack namespace for the machines |
| 22:39.44 | clive-h | it's passingly pointless i live a long way from the exchange |
| 22:39.46 | hali | and you could yank them from my colobox from somewhere |
| 22:39.58 | z00dax | hali: cant you upload them direct to heanet or crazyfrogs ? |
| 22:40.02 | hali | yes |
| 22:40.03 | z00dax | save your b/w |
| 22:40.04 | hali | i could |
| 22:40.11 | hali | im not sure where i'm working tomorrow though.... i've got a fast connection if i work from soho |
| 22:40.23 | hali | our office in old street is proxied :( |
| 22:40.45 | hali | when do you need it by? |
| 22:40.59 | hali | go on, say it.. "yesterday!" |
| 22:41.15 | z00dax | no.. the x8664 DVD isnt doneyet, it will be by 5:00am |
| 22:41.23 | z00dax | so asap after that |
| 22:41.40 | z00dax | the i386 stuff is all done, i have about 60% of it online already, the rest needs doing |
| 22:43.21 | z00dax | hali: when will you know if you are working there tomorrow ? |
| 22:43.52 | *** join/#gllug jose__ (n=jose@84.77.129.81) |
| 22:43.56 | hali | tomorrow morning, i'll be on irc when i get in.. you could drop off a usb drive in soho (soho square) |
| 22:44.05 | z00dax | sure that will work |
| 22:44.55 | z00dax | i wonder if i could drive to canterbury and use the mirrorservice.org guys uplink :) |
| 22:44.58 | z00dax | that might be quite cool |
| 22:45.24 | z00dax | hali: dont make any special efforts, if you can help - thats cool. if not, it will get there as it has previously so many times. |
| 22:45.25 | clive-h | i was thinking of suggesting kent |
| 22:46.22 | z00dax | is there anyone else closer ? I know that leigh college guys use CentOS - i wonder what kind of b/w they have |
| 22:46.47 | hali | most colleges have bandwidth++ |
| 22:46.50 | clive-h | dunno possibly |
| 22:47.40 | clive-h | You could try London colo companies |
| 22:47.43 | z00dax | these guys are about a mile down the road from me. but i suppose need to know someone there first |
| 22:48.19 | clive-h | Say black cat newtorks,catalyst2 |
| 22:48.21 | hali | didn't someone here work for claranet or someone like that? |
| 22:48.32 | clive-h | cpufreak |
| 22:48.37 | z00dax | he left for .nl |
| 22:48.43 | hali | he left for betfair and .nl |
| 22:48.51 | clive-h | he's in .nl though now |
| 22:50.29 | hali | we need more isp members in gllug :) |
| 22:50.29 | z00dax | :) |
| 22:50.29 | clive-h | heh |
| 22:51.16 | hali | i've got a really hard time finding good hosting in london atm actually |
| 22:51.29 | gw280 | mmm fryup |
| 22:51.35 | hali | half the hosting providers don't even have any available space |
| 22:52.04 | clive-h | yeah i noticed that when i was looking last contract |
| 22:52.06 | hali | and claranet wanted 66grand a year for two racks in global switch london 2 :( |
| 22:54.34 | z00dax | hali: that sounds quite expensive |
| 22:54.39 | z00dax | what are you looking for ? |
| 22:54.45 | z00dax | gw280: heart attack |
| 22:55.16 | hali | z00dax: just two racks, dual 16amp feeds and a couple of megs burstable connection |
| 22:55.26 | hali | dual 16amp feeds per rack that is |
| 22:55.38 | hali | with someone with a good track record |
| 22:55.47 | hali | i.e. not redbus/telecity :) |
| 22:56.06 | hali | and 66 grand is damn expensive |
| 22:56.19 | hali | easynet wanted about 35 |
| 22:57.07 | hali | but when someone just walked in a stole their main routers they sort of lost most of their credibility :) |
| 22:57.15 | clive-h | indeed |
| 22:57.33 | clive-h | same reason i'd exclude legend/thus |
| 22:57.42 | z00dax | you need 32amps per rack ? |
| 22:57.58 | hali | z00dax: no, but i need redundant 16amp |
| 22:58.13 | z00dax | ok, so single phase dual 16amp |
| 22:58.23 | z00dax | is still 32amp, most people will charge _lots_ for that |
| 22:58.23 | clive-h | 16amp is quite a lot |
| 22:58.46 | hali | and it's not gotten much better, we had a machine hosted with them through servercity and when we came to pick it up i just said i was there to pick up a server and the guy just pointed to a box on the floor .. "thats the one!"... no ID, didn't even take my name |
| 22:58.48 | z00dax | 16amp is double the uk standard per rack, and a lot of buildings like meredian gate or hex cant do more than 16 - some cant even do that |
| 22:58.54 | clive-h | must be dell kit |
| 22:59.13 | hali | it's hp kit actually, but yeah.. stuff draws a lot of power these days |
| 22:59.25 | hali | we are using about 25-30U per rack |
| 22:59.28 | hali | maximum |
| 23:00.04 | clive-h | that's quite a high rack density |
| 23:00.15 | hali | 47 is high :) |
| 23:00.24 | hali | in a 47U rack that is |
| 23:00.36 | hali | we do 47U straight in the US... |
| 23:00.55 | z00dax | can you actually find 47U racks in the US ? |
| 23:00.57 | hali | where one can get 32A 208volt feeds for peanuts |
| 23:01.02 | clive-h | that's a real heat extraction problem |
| 23:01.05 | z00dax | 32amp / rack in the US is no problem |
| 23:01.15 | z00dax | hali: yea |
| 23:01.23 | hali | keep in mind they are on 110v generally |
| 23:01.31 | z00dax | but 60Hz |
| 23:01.34 | hali | 208 is becoming more common though |
| 23:01.35 | clive-h | in docklands that's tricky |
| 23:01.50 | z00dax | hali: how about bluesquare data ? |
| 23:02.01 | hali | never even heard about them |
| 23:02.01 | clive-h | i had real issues in MER |
| 23:02.11 | z00dax | they are very price competitive at the moment, as are level3. but level3 being level3 wont ever really be in the mass market business |
| 23:02.15 | clive-h | They're in Maidenhead |
| 23:02.25 | clive-h | Ugggh level3 |
| 23:02.31 | hali | we have a cage in level3 now, thorugh BSG |
| 23:02.35 | hali | it's ok actually |
| 23:02.47 | clive-h | I hah 4 major outages in L3 |
| 23:02.51 | clive-h | had |
| 23:02.56 | clive-h | in 15 months |
| 23:02.57 | hali | we've only had one large problem in the last 2 years (since i joined) and that was the 5h sunday outage a while back |
| 23:03.06 | hali | with level3 that is |
| 23:03.20 | z00dax | i remember that sunday |
| 23:03.33 | clive-h | This was datagate at L3's facility |
| 23:03.38 | clive-h | I do too |
| 23:03.45 | z00dax | I had my own 2 servers in l3 at the time, moved them to soverign house, and then now they are back at home with me. cant afford proper hosting anymore |
| 23:05.14 | hali | i got my 8U's in sweden, pay my old boss with a bottle of hennessy every xmas :) |
| 23:05.26 | z00dax | i need a boss like that:) |
| 23:05.37 | clive-h | that's cheap enough |
| 23:05.54 | hali | as long as he's not demanding 70 yo hennessy thats ok :) |
| 23:06.04 | clive-h | heh |
| 23:06.18 | cpufreak | hali: antiphase works for clara too. |
| 23:06.30 | cpufreak | s/too// # I don't work there anymore. |
| 23:09.44 | hali | spoke to some guy in claranet last week, nick homan i think... |
| 23:10.05 | hali | seemed quite smug and was very annoyned with i said 66grand for two racks was a bit steep :) |
| 23:10.13 | hali | when* |
| 23:11.00 | cpufreak | oh |
| 23:11.06 | cpufreak | tell him you know andrew mulholland |
| 23:11.11 | cpufreak | he owes me some favours |
