| 00:45.41 | clive-h | i never learned latex |
| 00:45.56 | clive-h | i'd find nroff easier |
| 02:23.03 | gw280 | hmm |
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| 03:18.27 | Leeds | I don't trust my scale... really don't think I've lost 4-5 pounds in the past week... |
| 06:32.47 | morsing | Nice |
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| 07:44.00 | morsing | PussInBoots! |
| 08:17.58 | Leeds | hmm... AppleTV is under £150 in HK... pretty cheap for a Mac STB |
| 08:25.00 | morsing | Nice |
| 08:25.53 | Leeds | oh well, gym time |
| 08:32.07 | morsing | Beer |
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| 08:49.00 | morsing | JosefAssad! |
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| 09:20.04 | morsing | rhowe! |
| 09:20.08 | morsing | Back safely? |
| 09:20.15 | morsing | rhowe: Why are you ignoring me? |
| 09:20.32 | morsing | ibot wake rhowe |
| 09:20.45 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on rhowe and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 09:21.08 | rhowe | morsing: Yup, back at home |
| 09:21.26 | goibhniu | morsing! |
| 09:21.40 | morsing | rhowe: Are you still married? |
| 09:21.47 | rhowe | morsing: I think so |
| 09:21.51 | morsing | 'Damn - I've lost my bet now... |
| 09:22.53 | rhowe | heh |
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| 09:52.10 | Leeds | no beer! |
| 09:52.39 | Leeds | rhowe: a) the post office is closed today as well - but open tomorrow... b) I found the charger cable... c) plugged the drive in as eSATA and it's working pretty well |
| 09:54.53 | Leeds | I don't have a spare internal SATA cable or I'd just plug it in like that |
| 09:56.09 | Leeds | rhowe: good flight? spend the baht? |
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| 11:20.11 | xotl | Anyone know: If my laptop has 802.11g, is there any benefit, in terms of signal range and quality, in getting a wireless router which claims better range eg netgear rangemax, or is the range determined by the 802.11g specification? |
| 11:22.10 | boudiccas | xotl; i don't know the answer to your question but i will comment on your choice of alternative router. i wouldn't touch netgear stuff with a bargepole. i had a netgear router and it burnt out after just 6 months use, i was not at all pleased. But, ymmv |
| 11:23.39 | xotl | boudiccas: I've currently got a netgear access point. the connection is terrible, but i'm not sure why, if its cos its an early model or what. I just use the rangemax thing as an example |
| 11:23.58 | xotl | there are various proprietary coverage-extending technologies out there |
| 11:24.30 | xotl | what i don't get is whether if you are connecting to them using 11g rather than super-g or whatever, will this make a difference to your 11g signal |
| 11:26.38 | xotl | i also emailed netgear tech support several times and they never replied, so i'm not too happy with them either |
| 11:31.21 | xotl | otherwise, if anyone can recommend a good 11g wireless router with firewall (no fancy features necessary) I would also be grateful. Signal quality is most important thing. |
| 11:34.51 | goibhniu | xotl: mimo may be worth looking at ... otherwise I think super-g etc won't do anything for you |
| 11:36.20 | xotl | goibhniu: does my laptop have to support mimo too or does it just work on the router end? |
| 11:36.35 | goibhniu | xotl: have you considered the Linksys WRT54G? |
| 11:37.45 | xotl | goibhniu: I haven't considered anything really yet, just want to make sure i don't get another one with a crappy signal. the WRT54G is the one you can flash with linux or something isnt it? |
| 11:38.09 | goibhniu | xotl: yep, but you need to be careful to get the right model I think |
| 11:38.27 | goibhniu | I think some have too little memory or something |
| 11:39.00 | xotl | goibhniu: is it a good router on its own, or is it just popular cos of this linux capability? |
| 11:39.37 | goibhniu | I don't have one myself ... but I've only heard good reviews of it |
| 11:39.54 | goibhniu | I think you can run asterisk on it etc |
| 11:40.02 | goibhniu | and there's a debian variant for it |
| 11:40.50 | xotl | goibhniu: as far as you've heard it has good coverage and signal etc then? |
| 11:42.06 | goibhniu | well, I haven't heard anyone complain about its coverage but I really can't say |
| 11:42.21 | goibhniu | the position of the router is very important |
| 11:43.40 | xotl | goibhniu: will a mimo router help with signal management even when connecting on 802.11g? there aren't that many different places i can put my router |
| 11:43.42 | goibhniu | I think the biggest factors are water, microwave ovens and wireless phones |
| 11:44.49 | xotl | i've got wireless phones and big radiators everywhere, as well as about 8 neighbours with wireless, so not so great for signal quality where i am. |
| 11:45.41 | xotl | i haven't got a microwave, though :-) |
| 11:45.46 | goibhniu | do you need to cover a couple of floors? |
| 11:46.00 | xotl | goibhniu: yes |
| 11:46.56 | xotl | goibhniu: another thing i'm suspicious of is that companies are now claiming that 11g is only supposed to cover a couple of rooms. i suspect this is just to push people to buy their pre-n stuff |
| 11:47.23 | xotl | shouldn't 11g be ok for a whole house? |
| 11:47.29 | goibhniu | in my (limited) experience wifi is pretty crap for covering more than a room |
| 11:48.04 | goibhniu | maybe a better antenna would help |
| 11:48.59 | xotl | is the mimo stuff just an antenna technology or is it integral to the signal specification? |
| 11:50.53 | goibhniu | sorry ... I'd just be googling to try to answer that .. I believe it will improve the signal for standard 11g clients but I could be talking out of my ear |
| 11:51.58 | xotl | np. i'll check out mimo |
| 11:52.39 | xotl | if 11g only does a couple of rooms, there seems barley any point in wireless |
| 11:52.45 | xotl | *barely |
| 11:54.24 | xotl | what also makes me suspicous about the 1-2 rooms claim is that my DECT phone is on the same radio band and it works perfectly |
| 11:55.28 | goibhniu | it would be a good question for the mailing list |
| 11:55.40 | goibhniu | I live in a bedsit, so I can't really comment |
| 11:57.01 | xotl | goibhniu: yeah ok, thanks |
| 11:58.36 | goibhniu | yw |
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| 13:31.38 | boudiccas | all quiet on the western front! |
| 13:31.50 | clive-h | lol |
| 13:32.14 | boudiccas | its so quiet its deadly! and boring |
| 13:34.14 | clive-h | tis quiet but better than being outside |
| 13:35.03 | clive-h | the town seems to be full of chavs today |
| 13:35.24 | boudiccas | its not very warm out there, currently only 12'c |
| 13:36.02 | clive-h | i know been out to get food |
| 13:36.19 | clive-h | had to turn the heater on |
| 13:36.44 | boudiccas | i did all my shopping when i came home from work last night, makes it easier getting off the bus next to sainsburys |
| 13:36.55 | boudiccas | ditto here |
| 13:37.14 | clive-h | got food till monday now |
| 13:37.47 | boudiccas | likewise, just got to bake another cake ... i suppose that i could do that now |
| 13:37.55 | clive-h | the chavs scare me |
| 13:38.05 | boudiccas | why 'scare'? |
| 13:38.38 | clive-h | their general violent manner |
| 13:38.56 | clive-h | i know the local shopkeepers have trouble with em |
| 13:39.18 | boudiccas | ah. i guess that we don't have 'chavs' in Maidstone. I don't think I'd recognise one if i saw one |
| 13:39.26 | Leeds | but surely England is a green and pleasant land of polite civilisation? |
| 13:39.37 | clive-h | increasibgly less so |
| 13:39.52 | Leeds | you will notice where I'm typing from... |
| 13:39.59 | clive-h | increasingly |
| 13:40.01 | clive-h | yeah |
| 13:40.02 | boudiccas | your keyboard? |
| 13:40.52 | Leeds | the other side of the planet |
| 13:41.21 | boudiccas | actually i'm guessing HK but a quick whois doesn't show where you are |
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| 13:56.07 | Leeds | in general, you can assume I'm in HK |
| 13:56.43 | Leeds | I have been, solidly, for over 2.5 months now, and apart from a week or so in January, I've been here for 6 months |
| 13:57.42 | boudiccas | Leeds; any news on the job front? |
| 13:58.12 | boudiccas | or are you freeelancing |
| 13:58.39 | boudiccas | thouht it looked odd ... one too many 'e's in 'freelancing' |
| 13:58.54 | Leeds | no news, no |
| 13:59.32 | Leeds | waiting to hear on a couple of things... |
| 13:59.57 | boudiccas | good luck :) |
| 14:00.03 | Leeds | and that's 2 tickets booked for 300 at midnight - 2 hours away |
| 14:00.34 | boudiccas | i've seen it, and its good |
| 14:00.54 | boudiccas | lots of computer generated people although you can't really tell :) |
| 14:01.06 | Leeds | I'll have to look carefully... |
| 14:01.40 | boudiccas | also loads of body piercing, if you're into that sort of thing :o) |
| 14:02.18 | boudiccas | just on one individual xerces [or however his name is spelt] |
| 14:03.45 | Leeds | uh... |
| 14:04.28 | boudiccas | very cartoonish too in places .. but i won't spoil it for you |
| 14:04.39 | Leeds | well... it was a cartoon. |
| 14:04.41 | Leeds | comic, anyway |
| 14:04.52 | Leeds | and no, I'm not into body piercing on men... |
| 14:05.32 | boudiccas | i didn't realise when i saw it that it had been a cartoon, just watched it and wondered :))) |
| 14:07.44 | boudiccas | i know of one in 300 but i'm not saying what it is |
| 14:12.49 | clive-h | not seen it, wouldn't really appeal to me |
| 14:17.12 | goibhniu | "days of glory" is disappointing |
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| 15:33.47 | z00dax | clive-h: you will never grow up to be big and strong like this |
| 15:34.30 | clive-h | not much else to do really |
| 15:35.43 | clive-h | just ircing and waiting for dr who later |
| 15:36.52 | clive-h | bit too ill to do much atm |
| 15:37.15 | boudiccas | z00dax; is it still on for CentOS 5 being released at 2359 on 9/4/07, or will it be being synced to the mirrors before then? |
| 15:38.18 | z00dax | sticking to the timeline as far as i know |
| 15:38.29 | boudiccas | ty |
| 15:39.01 | boudiccas | if it wasn't so close i'd d/l the beta and install it over the long w/e |
| 15:57.44 | hali | mmmm.. fry up and a good 50's movie :) |
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| 19:02.50 | morsing | Beer |
| 19:03.59 | hali | fruit salad |
| 19:53.23 | Leeds | well, I enjoyed it |
| 19:53.53 | Leeds | as did my lady friend... |
| 19:54.29 | antiphase | Why are you here instead of hiding the sausage then? ;) |
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| 23:41.24 | gw280 | wethrin: WE BEAT YOU |