IRC log for #gllug on 20070412

05:28.41morsingniv_one_1hree!
05:35.31morsingmozrat!
05:46.21morsing'morning all
05:58.23niv_one_threemorsing!
06:43.26OwlEyegood morning!
06:48.59sabinef72morning all
06:49.47OwlEyebon matin sabine :)
06:50.18sabinef72OwlEye: you have to say : bonjour
06:51.19OwlEyewhy? we are in the same time zone. and people dont say "bon matin" in france?
07:00.06sabinef72sorry I was reading news
07:00.11sabinef72yes and no
07:00.21sabinef72yes we say "good morning"
07:00.26sabinef72but your translation is not good
07:01.08sabinef72good morning =  bonjour
07:01.30sabinef72I agree that : a morning = un matin
07:01.54sabinef72jour = day
07:15.01gregjwhat I should understand by "What is your current notice period?"
07:19.22morsingsabinef72!
07:20.08morsinggregj: How long before leaving you need to tell your current employer
07:20.15morsingSalut sabinef72
07:22.17gregjmorsing: yeah, that was my guess and so I answered. Thanks
07:29.55OwlEyesabinef72, are you at work already or do you have some time to chit chat? :)
07:30.56morsingsabinef72 at work? :)
07:34.21sabinef72well... I'm not working
07:34.51sabinef72I don't have so much time to chat because I have friends of mine in holidays at home
07:35.48OwlEyeawww, too bad
07:41.54sabinef72no it's nice to have friends at home
07:44.22gw280hi
07:44.25gw280http://vm.gwright.org.uk/images/cache/images/1280x960/IMG_0071.JPG
07:45.35OwlEyesabinef72, its nice for you. but its sad for me. cause i cant have a conversation with you :P
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08:05.32sabinef72I'm back
08:06.08OwlEyewb!
08:11.55morsingSlayerXP!
08:12.19morsingsabinef72: We missed you
08:14.25OwlEyelol
08:16.02sabinef72mééééééééééé
08:16.08morsingsabinef72: :)
08:16.11morsingYou love it!
08:16.16sabinef72I don't know why morsing is in love with my nose
08:16.22morsing:)
08:17.58sabinef72OwlEye: are you living in London ?
08:18.12OwlEyesabinef72, i wish. i live near stuttgart in germany
08:20.25OwlEyehow can a person be a bit german??
08:20.35sabinef72by my grandmother
08:20.48OwlEyeaha!
08:20.59OwlEyeand where in france do you live?
08:21.58sabinef72now near Paris
08:21.58sabinef72my grandmother was from Koln
08:21.58OwlEyemmm! Paris!
08:22.00OwlEyethe city of love
08:22.11sabinef72lol
08:22.27OwlEye:D
08:22.41sabinef72I don't know why everybody thinks : paris = city of love
08:22.45OwlEyei was dumb with french at school. but i love the sound of the language
08:22.55OwlEyewell
08:23.12OwlEyemaybe cause to foreign people, the french have a very positive lifestyle
08:23.38sabinef72perhaps
08:23.47OwlEyeand Paris has a lot of cultural and romantic places
08:24.10sabinef72yes but living in paris is not so... romantic everyday
08:24.45OwlEyeyeah, in everyday life a lot of things lose attraction
08:27.08sabinef72I was in front of the Sacré Coeur yesterday and it was full of tourists
08:27.45bilarh_i hate paris
08:27.54bilarh_it's dirty and it looks soooo seventies :)
08:28.10bilarh_i'm sure france outside of paris is fine
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08:32.04sabinef72bilarh_: looooool
08:32.22sabinef72france is big and there are many differents parts
08:32.49OwlEyefrance is big and a lot of gorgous ladies live there!
08:38.05sabinef72are you looking for a french woman ?
08:38.17morsingOwlEye: You wish?!!??!
08:38.37OwlEyewho? what? why?
08:39.09OwlEyeno. i am not looking for a woman. i am better single :)
08:39.10morsingPuss1nB00ts!
08:39.25morsing09:18 < OwlEye> sabinef72, i wish. i live near stuttgart in germany
08:39.47OwlEyemorsing, ah. well i would like to live in another country
08:40.01morsingRight, London is hardly the best place
08:40.05sabinef72better single ? no I can't believe that
08:40.16morsingNo-one is better single
08:41.31OwlEyesabinef72, maybe that changes if i meet another nice person. but right now i am satisfied as it is. just the hugs and kisses i am missing sometimes
08:41.57OwlEyebut the argues and fights i am not missing :P
08:42.06sabinef72lol
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08:45.58morsingchris!
08:47.08sabinef72OwlEye: how to say.... first of all I'm not a smoker and coffee is not possible for the moment. The doctor says nooo
08:47.29sabinef72not good for the baby
08:47.30OwlEyeoh!
08:47.38OwlEyeawwwwwwwwwwww
08:47.43OwlEyeyou get a baby?!
08:48.11sabinef72I'm pregnant
08:48.17gw280right, email sent to college requestion permission to store firearms.
08:48.26morsingCawfy is always good - even for babies
08:48.46sabinef72the doctor says no tea and no coffee
08:49.05sabinef72OwlEye: it's ok I'm not so big for the moment
08:49.08morsingThe doctor is wrong... People always over-react
08:49.22morsingsabinef72: How are you doing?
08:49.35OwlEyemorsing, she wants her baby to be healthy. that is what counts :)
08:49.57OwlEyesabinef72, in what month are you?
08:50.17sabinef72in the end of the 3rd
08:50.39OwlEyeah. so i have to wait some more till the baby belly grows :D
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08:50.58OwlEyebaby belly == very sexy
08:51.03morsingIS it?
08:51.06morsingasht_007!
08:51.09OwlEyeyep! very!
08:51.14asht_007hi morsing
08:51.22OwlEyehey asht_007
08:52.55morsingOhh...
08:53.01gw280hi morsing
08:53.03OwlEyeits a miracle of nature
08:53.14morsingHi George
08:53.30gw280I hate all the beaurocracy surrounding firearms :'(
08:53.43OwlEyebut i dont want to scare sabinef72, so i shut up :)
08:58.01morsingCheck it!
09:04.52gw280morsing: http://vm.gwright.org.uk/images/cache/images/1280x960/IMG_0071.JPG
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09:14.57phearlesshi folks ! ! :D
09:19.44niv_one_1hreequick advice, I seek a .doc file . I am running locate .doc How to filter out files in /path?
09:19.57niv_one_1hreeso files in /usr/share - wont appear?
09:20.25phearlesslocate .doc | grep path
09:20.26phearless?
09:21.09phearlessor with locate -r
09:21.12phearlessand use a regex
09:21.22OwlEyeahhh. very nice. from 6mbit to 10mbit for 10,- euro less
09:21.56bilarh_niv_one_three: have you cronned updatedb?
09:22.04phearlesslocate -r "/home*doc$" does not work ... strange
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09:24.11phearlessniv_one_1hree: locate -r "^/home.*doc$"
09:24.15phearlessthis one works ;)
09:25.58morsingtripitaka!
09:26.03morsinggoibhniu!
09:26.07niv_one_1hree10x
09:26.07morsingPuss1nB00ts!
09:26.10morsingIAmAI!
09:26.21tripitakaah, that's better
09:26.25goibhniumorsing!
09:26.54goibhniuthanks OwlEye ... you're attention is much appreciated ... morsing may beat you up though
09:27.06morsingibot slap OwlEye
09:27.18ibotACTION slaps OwlEye, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
09:27.25OwlEye:-(
09:28.03morsinggw280: Thanks :)
09:45.16wethrinarr
09:49.06gw280hi wethrin
09:49.16wethrinhi gw
09:49.28gw280I'm going to need heolp eating all these eggs
09:49.33wethrinCIJS: I fucking hate spammers, and I want to kill them all
09:56.40goibhniuwhen I grow up I want to "Identify gaps and analyse and recommend improvements in content and proactively engage with Business Units to stimulate the production, gathering and capturing of relevant content"
09:57.59morsingwethrin:
10:02.51wethrinmorsing!
10:03.16morsingwethrin: Beetr
10:04.37wethrinWhen?
10:05.36morsingTonight. In Windsor. Paul's coming...
10:09.40wethrinDon't know if I can make it. Plus it'd involve driving, so not much beer
10:10.38bilarh_goibhniu: ah, so you want to do no (useful) work and spend all your time writing word and excel documents? :)
10:11.11goibhniubilarh_: everyone's got to have a dream
10:13.53bilarh_true
10:13.57bilarh_i want to be an astronaut
10:13.59bilarh_or a porn star
10:14.21bilarh_unfortunately, i have the physique for neither :(
10:16.52halii want to be a sysadmin
10:16.57halilucky me, i am! :P
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12:02.03goibhniuugghh .. snot
12:02.43dick_turpingoibhniu: Wanna join my 'Eat endangered species' club?
12:03.15goibhniudick_turpin: do you want to hear an analogy I made up on the bike this morning?
12:03.31dick_turpingoibhniu: Yes please
12:03.43goibhniudick_turpin: not if everything tastes like snot or chicken
12:04.26dick_turpingoibhniu: S'OK I can disguise it with garlic
12:04.52goibhniudick_turpin: ok, like all good science it is based on arbitrary assumptions which we will consider to be factual and correct
12:05.16goibhniudick_turpin: operating systems are like countries
12:05.47dick_turpingoibhniu: go on
12:07.09goibhniudick_turpin: M$ = US/K, OsX = N. Korea, Debian = Leninist USSR, Ubuntu = glosnost, *bsd = pre-colonial america
12:07.17goibhniuthat's as far as I've gotten
12:07.58goibhniuI struggled with AIX ... it seems like a cross between US/K and N. Korea so I was thinking N. Ireland
12:08.18goibhniuoh yeah .. the other assumption was that the gpl is communism
12:13.45dick_turpingoibhniu: Phoooooonnnnnee come back
12:36.02goibhniudick_turpin: stroganof
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12:40.50dick_turpingoibhniu: Did it taste like snot?
12:41.23goibhniudick_turpin: a little ... with mushrooms
12:41.37dick_turpingoibhniu: ooh I like mushrooms
12:41.58goibhniudick_turpin: scrummy
12:42.11dick_turpingoibhniu: Wanna hear a funny story?
12:43.02goibhniudick_turpin: oh, ok then ... if you have to
12:44.45dick_turpingoibhniu: The boss let his mate park a van in our yard for about a month, bloke cam yesterday to move it, stuck key in ignition, shut door, hooked up battery, dead locks came on now key is locked in van
12:44.58dick_turpincame
12:47.01goibhniuhehe!
12:47.15goibhniudick_turpin: did you laugh in his face?
12:48.10dick_turpingoibhniu: An engineer said he had a key, the blokes face lit up, (it was a house brick)
12:48.43goibhniudick_turpin: classic!
12:50.12dick_turpingoibhniu: If it was top of the range mint condition I bet you'd get in it within seconds, but this thing the local gypo's wanted and its more secure than fort knox
12:53.39Leedsnote to self: when mplayer inexplicably can't find your DVD drive, make sure you're not running it on a different machine over ssh
13:01.55morsingBeer
13:03.44gregjhttp://www.london-luton.co.uk/emergency/
13:03.44gregjwow
13:09.27dick_turpingregj: Thats spooky we had power blips at home last night (West Midlands) street lights and traffic lights went off, you should have seen everyone jumping the dead lights! scary but funny
13:12.05goibhniuhttp://vimperator.mozdev.net/ ... tasty! vimified firefox
13:13.48dick_turpingoibhniu: Doe's it taste like chicken?
13:20.40goibhniudick_turpin: I haven't tried it yet ... maybe it bites
13:21.49goibhniu47gt looks like a useful command ... go to the 47th tab
13:21.55morsingNice
13:22.26dick_turpingoibhniu: :-/
13:27.06dick_turpingoibhniu: Following on from your earlier commets regarding musing about operating systems I'm tempted to make my own contoversial observation but then again I'm too careful to say anything
13:27.45dick_turpincomments
13:29.51goibhniudick_turpin: go for it ... you can say anything you like here
13:29.59morsing?Yuo suck
13:30.02goibhniudick_turpin: it's logged
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13:31.27dick_turpingoibhniu: I've decided that most Linux users are 'Wannabe's'
13:33.39goibhniudick_turpin: everything here is logged!!
13:34.26dick_turpingoibhniu: Should I stop then?
13:35.49goibhniudick_turpin: please no!
13:36.15dick_turpingoibhniu: But I don't fancy being flamed, I'm a coward at heart
13:37.23goibhniudick_turpin: it's best to get it out in the open
13:39.56dick_turpingoibhniu: I'll give you examples then you can draw your own conclusions (ready?)
13:42.34dick_turpingoibhniu: List Police, Slammers (Actually I thought I'd invented that word) webmasters, prolific posters (pauses for breath)
13:43.33Leedswannabe whats?
13:44.29dick_turpinLeeds: Thats the question: Wannabe in charge, running things, looked up to you name it
13:44.41goibhniudick_turpin: bilarh_ wants to be an astronaut
13:45.00goibhniudick_turpin: so linux users have dreams and aspirations?
13:46.47dick_turpingoibhniu: Yes but be careful I'm leading you into a trap
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13:50.44dick_turpingoibhniu: Most wannabe's fly the flag of tollerance, freedom and openness
13:57.49morsingclive-h!
13:58.37clive-hHi morsing
13:59.08dick_turpingoibhniu: Yes your right, I think I'll stop there as I may say something about getting cold shouldered by a webmaster whos site says "Please join by clicking on this link" my trap was going to be getting you to defend 'community' then ask how a community player make up their own rules
14:00.21dick_turpinclive-h:
14:00.34clive-hHi dick_turpin
14:00.46goibhniudick_turpin: there is no community ... only individuals, families and corporations
14:01.32goibhniudick_turpin: in a world of humans everything looks like a human
14:01.42dick_turpinclive-h: I tried speaking to you a couplke of times yesterday, thanks for the grub-install help it didnt fix it but the commands work (i Know its a long story)
14:01.51goibhniudick_turpin: tell me when I say the right thing here
14:02.54dick_turpingoibhniu: You lovely person you always say the right thing (tastes like chicken by the way) Can you guess I'm still peeved?
14:05.46clive-hI wasn't paying much attention to IRC i'm afraid
14:06.10clive-hgrub-install always seems to fix things here
14:06.50clive-hThis is a fairly complex install there's FC6 and Solaris as well as XP
14:06.52dick_turpinclive-h: It's a new one on me. which ever OS I'm logged into it thinks thats the only partition
14:07.03clive-hThat's vry strange
14:07.13clive-hs/vry/very
14:07.36dick_turpinclive-h: fdsk -l gives the correct info tho??
14:07.39goibhniudick_turpin: so if I've understood correctly you joined a commune and they kicked you out because you tasted like chicken? As a rule of thumb, avoid humans.
14:07.49clive-hHmmm
14:08.19dick_turpingoibhniu: Thanks bud you never fail to make me spew coffee on the screen
14:09.36dick_turpinclive-h: There is an error message (This may be wrong) "file too large hd1,4" now using Mr Google this morning I may have a fix that was posted on a Mepis site
14:10.50clive-hOh Bios doesn't support that large a disk?
14:11.37dick_turpinclive-h: OK but I pretty sure the Fuji comes with a 60GB disc as standard
14:12.02clive-h60gb should be perfetly ok
14:12.06clive-hperfectly
14:12.31clive-hI have a 120Gb disk in my new laptop
14:12.51clive-hFC6 and Solaris and Vista see it fine
14:13.11clive-hThough repartitioning with partedmagic broke Vista
14:13.18clive-hand I had to reinstall it
14:14.23clive-hVista seems to align partitions on different boundaries
14:14.29dick_turpinclive-h: Here's an even more spooky one, my suse/xp pro box reports exactly the same error (I think they are realted soft as it sounds I took the 60GB drive out hooked it up to the sue/xp box and used P Magic to resize after that both machines grub was knackered)
14:14.42dick_turpinrelated
14:14.55clive-hHmmm
14:15.15clive-hWhat make of hard disk?
14:16.15dick_turpinclive-h: I think its a Maxtor but will check tonight
14:16.39clive-hSATA?
14:16.57Leedsah, fun with LILO
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14:18.14Leedsif I can get this machine - with 5 drives in it - to initialise and enumerate the drives in the correct order, I should finally have a terabyte fileserver
14:19.01dick_turpinclive-h: Oh sorry you mean my main box they are 2 X 250GB IDE 1 X 40GB IDE that has always worked fine until I stuk that stupid laptop 60GB ide drive in via USB
14:19.17dick_turpinstuck
14:19.21clive-hOh
14:20.00dick_turpinclive-h: Its not a major problem just niggleing
14:20.08clive-hMy USB external drives seem to work ok although the identity is a bit random
14:20.50clive-hJust as a thought are these extended partitions?
14:21.32dick_turpinclive I have 2 X 250GB external USB 7 in 1 card reader oh and an HP DAT drive way too much storage
14:22.17clive-hI have one 250Gb one and a 40Gb
14:22.26clive-hMy 320Gb one has died
14:23.21dick_turpinclive-h: Aha forget about my main box, yes I think the F7 is on an extended partition
14:23.54clive-hMS one? is it set hidden?
14:24.28dick_turpinclive-h: OK I own up (DT shruggs his shoulders)
14:24.41clive-hheh
14:25.04clive-hI'm clutching at straws
14:25.47dick_turpinclive-h: If it isnt how do I hide it?
14:26.43Leedswow, there's some old stuff on this filesystem
14:27.23dick_turpinLeeds: Thats cos its an old user (Dont hit me I couldnt resist)
14:28.19clive-hI can't see it in the fdisk partition type list
14:28.58dick_turpinclive-h: Its screw driver time :-(
14:29.40clive-hfor my dead 320Gb drive?
14:29.50dick_turpinclive-h: Yes
14:29.54clive-hI can't afford to replace it
14:30.11clive-hIt'll have to wait till I'm working again
14:30.23dick_turpinclive-h: How many machine did you say you had?
14:31.24clive-h15 connected to the LAN or WLAN
14:31.33clive-hActually turned on : 2
14:32.17dick_turpinclive-h: If it spins (no crunching noise) you'll be ok
14:34.39morsingLondo_!
14:35.23clive-hIt makes clicking noises which leads me to believe it's dead
14:38.58dick_turpinclive-h: I've had that if your lucky hook it up via USB and get ready to copy the data you may get one or possibly two boots out of it definatley disconect the power to it
14:40.18clive-hIt's a USB drive it's not doing anything
14:41.01dick_turpinclive-h: Oh dear, on the bright side they make pretty good door stops
14:41.48clive-hWell next contract I'll buy a new drive but not till then
14:42.16dick_turpinclive-h: Thats two of us with the hump then
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14:42.31cbz'appen.
14:43.27morsingcbz!
14:43.39cbzmorzzing!
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16:00.08morsingflips_and_rails!
16:27.38goibhniubilarh_: how about being a zero gravity prawn star?
16:36.05clive-hto
16:39.39boudiccashow can i force an install of a package using yum which has not been signed but is otherwise installable please?
16:45.47haliboudiccas: change gpgcheck=1 to gpgcheck=0 temporary for that repo
16:46.44boudiccashali, already done
16:53.31gw280buzz lightyear is a complete retard.
16:55.46Leedsto infinity - and beyond!
17:05.15OwlEyemorsing, could you pull sabine's nose for a moment? i am wondering if she is okay :P
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19:08.14JosefAssadI am in the mood for murder.
19:08.39JosefAssadI submit a job application, and the idiots I applied to phone my boss and ask about me
19:09.50OwlEyeso they found out that they better not hire you?
19:10.43JosefAssadI don know what she told them, but she has my Scope of Work online now looking for a replacement.
19:11.10OwlEyehmmm
19:11.20JosefAssadFrigging annoying
19:11.42JosefAssadHug is good, hug is good. One more please
19:12.13JosefAssadGood thing my girlfriend doesn't do IRC, methinks :)
19:12.20JosefAssadthanks OwlEye
19:12.51OwlEyeyou can tell her its just gender appropriate hugs from another man
19:13.10JosefAssadthat sentence worked fine until the "from another man" bit :)
19:13.23OwlEyelol, why?
19:13.48JosefAssadshe'd be a bit offended at the suggestion that she's a man, I think
19:14.09JosefAssad"No sweets, I was getting hugs from another man, not from you"
19:14.40JosefAssadTunisia is up to its gills with German tourists... erh.
19:14.53OwlEyeah. i meant it like "you are a man. and i am a man"
19:15.05JosefAssadyes yes, I was being cheeky :)
19:15.12OwlEye:P
19:15.36OwlEyeyou are in Tunisia?
19:16.15OwlEyethat is indeed where german people want to be. nice climate. clean water. chilled people
19:17.24JosefAssadyeah, open sourcedeployment project
19:17.33OwlEyecool :D
19:17.36JosefAssadNot sure I'd call the people here chilled
19:17.42OwlEyeis open source strong in Tunisia?
19:17.59JosefAssadAnd the coffee here is derived directly from zyklon B
19:18.24OwlEyelol
19:18.39JosefAssadNo, thereś basically no open source here. Except for a special adviser to the president on open source, but he certainly appears to be ineffective
19:19.22JosefAssadI actually got the guy's number from another guy I met in Jordan, but he told me not to bother. guy's apparently 85 years old and doesn't make too much sense
19:19.37JosefAssadgoddamit am I tired.
19:19.59JosefAssadI killed Vonnegut. I just know it. I started reading Vonnegut just last evening
19:21.41OwlEyehmmm
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19:40.29goltorhello
19:41.08goltordoes london.pm have a channel somewhere? (couldn't be bothered looking on their site)
19:43.47goltornever mind, i did all the leg work myself :P
19:44.27clive-hI'd guess at #london.pm on #londonpm heer on freenode
19:44.36clive-hs/on/or/
19:44.49clive-hs/heer/here
19:45.11goltorthey're on irc.perl.org apparently, well according to their site
19:45.28clive-hahhh
19:48.13goltor85 in chan, quite largish
20:12.51trousersHmm. My parents won't let me get into Airsoft -_-
20:13.04trousersThey think the police'll shoot me.
20:21.35morsinggoltor!
20:23.48goltoryes it is i
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21:18.35z00daxhello!
21:19.01clive-hHi z00dax
21:22.43z00daxclive-h:
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21:50.08haliapu
21:50.25hali<- drujnk
21:53.58z00daxhali: having a pint to celebrate c-5 release ?
21:56.22haliz00dax: of course
21:56.41z00daxyay!
21:56.43haliz00dax: did you hear about the windows 2003 isos? :)
21:56.55z00daxumm no
21:57.13halisomone uploaded windows isos to the centos 5 dir on a mirrror .)
21:57.18halisomeone*
21:58.49clive-hkind of em
21:58.53halii think they where deleted once the release was out
21:59.25halii didn't see the mirror, a guy at work did, and emailed loads of people about it
21:59.54halii must say i saw the amusing side of it :)
22:00.37z00daxumm
22:01.00z00daxhali: do forward me a copy of the email please
22:01.04halii just have irc logs
22:01.20z00daxits very unlikely that would happen on .mirror.centos.org machines or the main seeders...
22:01.23z00daxhali: share ?
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22:03.32wethrinIf I have a 33.1 cfm fan in a 2U case that cools a pair of P3 CPUs, would replacing it with a 27cfm fan work, or would it be inadequately cooled?
22:04.23halii can ask waht mirror it was tomorrow
22:04.28halihttp://pastebin.ca/437143
22:05.39clive-hWaste of bandwidth uploading/downloading server 2003
22:05.41haliim sure it was some 3rd party mirror trying joke
22:07.15haliyoo*
22:07.18halitoo**
22:07.24halipoo
22:08.55halidon't confuse mirror.nsc.liu.se  with the baddies
22:10.39z00daxthats cap's machine
22:10.42z00daxhe's a good guy
22:12.44hali'k .. .)
22:14.17clive-hBah I couldn't find an unpatched xbox 360 today
22:15.03clive-hBe interesting to run yellow dog on a six thread/3 core box
22:16.25z00daxcnat be bad
22:16.26halii love yellow dogs
22:16.44z00daxclive-h: fc6/fc7 runs well on a ps3
22:16.53z00daxnot for any 3d stuff though
22:17.00clive-hPS/3 is too expensive
22:17.16halips3 is gay
22:17.23haliexcept the blueray thingy
22:18.59clive-hI'm not working I'd have probably bought a PS/3 by now if I was
22:27.30z00daxif things stay the way they are, centos is going to dwarf ubuntu by almost 2:1
22:27.58z00daxI am waiting for there to be direct grfx access via linux on the ps3
22:28.06z00daxusing fb just does not cut it anymore
22:28.50clive-hThat's the ps/3 problem
22:29.14clive-hThe hypervisor limits linux access to the underlying kit
22:29.34z00daxja
22:29.34z00daxsuxorification
22:30.06clive-hIn the IT sector I work in, Redhat Enterprise or Centos are the usual server OSes on x86
22:30.16clive-hand Solaris on sparc
22:30.56haliisn't ubuntu still in beta?
22:30.58z00daxwe need to get CentOS on sparc :)
22:31.19halii wish i could help more with centos on sparc
22:31.26halisince i am a big sparc fan
22:31.45clive-hI'm less sure about Linux on sparc
22:31.46halii installed a bunch of sun v480's today.... all solaris 10 :/
22:32.00z00daxhali: I am trying to get a niagra2 in, if that does happen - you are most welcome to help with it
22:32.05halii mainly see linux as an option on niagra
22:32.18clive-hThere's no decent redhat derived linux distro on sparc
22:32.23haliweb services
22:32.24z00daxfwiw, reliable sources indicate that kernel.org has never pushed this much b/w for any distro so far
22:32.31haliwe do need a jdk for linux/sparc
22:32.57clive-hLinux on sparc won't happen withoit java
22:32.59z00daxhali: interesting, i know someone who might be ask'able about jdk/linux/sparc
22:33.14halii know a few guys in sun as well, i might poke them
22:33.19halifeather in the hat for both redhat and centos
22:33.41clive-hRight now I'd deploy solaris 10 or 11 on sparc
22:34.01haliwith java on linux/sparc we can do tomcat and resin.. which are probably the most suitable niagra apps imaginable
22:34.23clive-hwell yes without java no tomcat
22:34.31clive-hand no game
22:34.39z00daxhumm tomcat.... is the gcj route no good ?
22:34.42z00daxresin, no clue about
22:34.50clive-hgcj is awful
22:34.56haligcj is crap
22:35.01haliso is blackdwon
22:35.04haliblackdown*
22:35.10z00daxtomcat under gcj has been reported to outperform tomcat on jvm
22:35.21halino way
22:35.23halii doubt it
22:35.25z00dax'reported' as in, people have mentioned in passing. I dont do java
22:35.26clive-hThe only useful java vm's are suns and ibm's
22:36.00haliat least on java5
22:36.00z00daxok, dont know specifics.
22:36.00z00daxthe extent of my java usage is - eclipse
22:36.00z00daxand i can confirm under gcj it kicks eclipse on jvm ass'
22:36.14halii maintain tomcat, resin, websphere, weblogic, jboss and oc4j (oracle)
22:36.16clive-heclipse is a desktop app though
22:36.23z00daxclive-h: yea
22:36.35haliit's 90% sun jdk 1.4.2 right now
22:36.41z00daxbtw, hali your db guy didnt ping
22:37.00haliz00dax: i aksed him today, his contract with my current compan ended today
22:37.01clive-hI'd choose orion for services though it's pay for ware
22:37.16clive-hOutperforms tomcat
22:37.17halihe sayd he'll email you tomorrow or monday
22:37.40z00daxhali: cool
22:37.41clive-h1.4.2 was what I was using last contract
22:37.58halii'd say orion is ok for dev work... we used to have a few random crashes with it before we went jboss (4.0.5 with tomcat)
22:38.38haliour CTO still rants about orion whenever he can :)
22:39.09clive-hHeh
22:39.19haliwe (syadmin and dev) have a brief anwser for him.. "it's cack!" :)
22:39.27clive-hIt's not Mat Ellis is it?
22:39.33halino it's not :)
22:39.37clive-hheh
22:39.38halitony cleverly
22:39.55halihe's quite well known in the j2ee community
22:40.07clive-hMat was the orion stalwart at Looksmart
22:40.10clive-hCTO
22:41.23z00daxummm looksmart
22:41.34z00daxrings a few bells in the wrong corner of my head
22:41.41haliyes
22:41.53haliyospace seems to be the hot thing at the moment
22:42.07halihowever, the stupid bastards have their main office in staines
22:42.22haliwho the heck wants to work in middlesex
22:43.36clive-hWe did search results in the UK for MSN
22:44.12clive-hLooksmart is still a major search engine company in the USA and some other territories
22:44.52halihmmmmm
22:45.10halia search for "naked women" is far from google quality :)
22:45.38clive-hIt's not optimised for porn
22:45.51hali"Naked Republicans: A Full-frontal Exposure of Right-wing Hypocrisy and Greed" .. wtf :)
22:46.01haliit's very optimized for serious result
22:46.06halinot fun reuslt
22:46.18halicrap engine ;)
22:46.19clive-hRelevancy was a major aim
22:47.14clive-hsomething google have rather lost sight of in my opinion
22:47.45haliindeed
22:47.52halii really hate the google suggestivness
22:48.09halithey like to guess whats relevent to my search
22:48.25z00daxET anyone ?
22:48.33halilike when one googles for a specific error message and the "guess" it's nother one
22:48.42haliz00dax: sorry no, im from earth
22:48.58z00daxhali: what ? no Enemy Territory ?
22:49.02z00daxibot: et ?
22:49.04ibotet is probably Ethiopia.  Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, or phone home
22:49.15z00daxibot: corect
22:49.43haliz00dax: ah, i thought you asked if anyone here was an ET :)
22:49.52z00dax:D
22:49.55haliin the sense of phone home :)
22:50.47halii think im going to bed now anyway...
22:50.54clive-hgood night
22:51.10halinight y'all  </redneck accent>
22:54.51z00daxnite
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