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| 06:53.07 | morsing | 'morning all |
| 06:56.40 | Leeds | now, what's the betting that the internation office of HMRC actually work on GMT, as their recorded message suggests? |
| 06:57.06 | Leeds | uh, international |
| 07:00.53 | Leeds | arse |
| 07:02.07 | morsing | Leeds: Can you not say 'morning or afternoon or something? |
| 07:02.59 | Leeds | no |
| 07:03.45 | ranner | morning all |
| 07:03.56 | morsing | ranner! |
| 07:04.26 | ranner | hi morsing |
| 07:06.58 | Leeds | afternoon ranner |
| 07:08.01 | ranner | afternoon Leeds |
| 07:08.38 | clive-h | Good morning |
| 07:08.44 | morsing | clive-h! |
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| 07:09.17 | morsing | GingerDog! |
| 07:09.33 | GingerDog | morsing: ! |
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| 07:11.19 | morsing | niv_one_three! |
| 07:11.31 | sabinef72 | morning all |
| 07:11.35 | sabinef72 | hi morsing |
| 07:11.39 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 07:11.39 | niv_one_three | morning |
| 07:11.48 | Leeds | bonjour sabinef72 |
| 07:12.18 | sabinef72 | ni rao Leeds |
| 07:12.36 | sabinef72 | goede morgen morsing |
| 07:12.54 | sabinef72 | I know it's not dane... but dutch is not so far .... |
| 07:13.01 | morsing | :) |
| 07:13.05 | morsing | Godmorgen |
| 07:13.28 | sabinef72 | ah almost |
| 07:15.35 | morsing | WTF??!??!?!??!? |
| 07:16.26 | morsing | Today is pay-day but on my on-line banking where it normally says "Automated Credit - Attenda", |
| 07:16.53 | Leeds | it says "Disloyal Bastard - £0" |
| 07:17.02 | morsing | it now says "Today's credit - Memo" and is £500 less than what it should be |
| 07:17.08 | morsing | ?! |
| 07:17.19 | morsing | wtf?! |
| 07:18.27 | Leeds | check with the accounts department |
| 07:18.30 | Leeds | check your payslip |
| 07:18.54 | morsing | Haven't got my payslip yet. I'm going to slap Laura's backside! |
| 07:19.13 | ranner | bah, mine's been 0 for months whilst I work on new projects |
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| 07:42.14 | morsing | clive-h! |
| 07:42.48 | clive-h | hi morsing |
| 07:43.29 | morsing | clive-h! |
| 07:47.31 | morsing | Beer |
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| 08:21.27 | morsing | JosefAssad! |
| 08:21.31 | JosefAssad | morsing! |
| 08:22.07 | morsing | Leeds: I think it's all the holiday I took in feb :( |
| 08:25.16 | JosefAssad | Leeds! |
| 08:37.18 | JosefAssad | effing connection... |
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| 08:42.55 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
| 08:46.17 | SlayerXP | JosefAssad: on just that salary you can be quite comfortable |
| 08:46.17 | SlayerXP | especially if you don't mind a short commute |
| 08:52.04 | JosefAssad | coolness |
| 08:52.04 | JosefAssad | thanks for the input, SlayerXP |
| 08:52.56 | JosefAssad | looks like I might have my gig then, and should be plaguing gllug very soon indeed |
| 08:55.37 | JosefAssad | since when is my primary hard disk sda instead of hda... |
| 08:55.56 | JosefAssad | feisty can bite me. I'm switching as soon as I have a little time to install debian |
| 09:06.53 | antiphase | wfm |
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| 09:09.47 | morsing | Check it! |
| 09:09.47 | morsing | JosefAssad: Pr month? |
| 09:11.15 | cpufreak | JosefAssad: thats a kernel thing, hardly ubuntu's fault. |
| 09:11.48 | cpufreak | so by 2020 when debian 4.1 comes out |
| 09:11.48 | cpufreak | you'[ll experience the same thing |
| 09:14.49 | JosefAssad | morsing: God no! |
| 09:14.49 | JosefAssad | morsing: if it was per month, I'd be descending on the Monaco LUG |
| 09:14.49 | JosefAssad | With my holographic beryl-studded solid state storage hard disk. In a 250 GTO. |
| 09:14.50 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 09:14.50 | morsing | JosefAssad: You can get a small-ish flat for that amount per month, yes |
| 09:14.53 | JosefAssad | erm. Need more coffee. |
| 09:15.55 | goibhniu | morsing! |
| 09:16.13 | JosefAssad | cpufreak: combined_mode=libata in menu.lst seems to have helped |
| 09:16.49 | JosefAssad | morsing: in or around london? |
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| 09:27.01 | morsing | JosefAssad: In London. I don't really know but I've seen the prices in there... |
| 09:28.15 | SlayerXP | JosefAssad: you could rent a house for that in outer london |
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| 09:37.47 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 09:41.13 | morsing | antiphase! |
| 09:44.58 | antiphase | Booyakasha |
| 09:44.58 | antiphase | I see FReenode is as shit as ever today |
| 09:51.02 | wethrin | Hello |
| 09:59.41 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 10:10.59 | morsing | s |
| 10:11.26 | wethrin | hi |
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| 10:12.34 | morsing | phearless! |
| 10:12.45 | phearless | hi folks ! |
| 10:30.46 | Leeds | now *that* is the sort of email I like to get: "Hi Richard, are you working? I may have a job for you, full time position, we need a Linux Guru!" |
| 10:31.10 | morsing | But you're a Solaris guru! |
| 10:31.17 | Leeds | more of a Linux guru |
| 10:31.24 | wethrin | Leeds: Yay! |
| 10:31.51 | wethrin | You're going to be a sysadmin :-P |
| 10:32.11 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 10:32.15 | Leeds | hey, if I'm going to be paid... |
| 10:33.55 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 10:35.03 | Leeds | just checking up on who the mail is from - it's one of the guys I interviewed with at Outblaze last year... |
| 10:37.52 | wethrin | ~change 37 AUD to GBP |
| 10:38.01 | wethrin | Gah |
| 10:38.08 | wethrin | ~change 46 AUD to GBP |
| 10:38.40 | morsing | Going to Australia? |
| 10:59.57 | morsing | wethrin? |
| 11:02.32 | wethrin | yes? |
| 11:02.33 | wethrin | No |
| 11:04.46 | morsing | Cool - It's lovely there |
| 11:06.31 | morsing | Any Windows gurus here? |
| 11:07.08 | morsing | Help |
| 11:07.49 | wethrin | Ask your question |
| 11:09.47 | goibhniu | morsing: are you looking for a certified engineer or ecdl level of guru? |
| 11:09.54 | morsing | What's that obscure hidden directory WIndows saves a Word document in if you've opened it from a URL? |
| 11:10.08 | morsing | goibhniu: No - a *real* guru! |
| 11:11.46 | morsing | wethrin: Do you know? |
| 11:12.17 | goibhniu | morsing: right click, "save as" |
| 11:12.51 | wethrin | morsing: Somewhere in the Temporary Internet Files folder |
| 11:14.22 | morsing | goibhniu: Nope - that's not what I'm after. |
| 11:14.26 | morsing | wethrin: Nope |
| 11:14.35 | morsing | When I said obscure I really meant it |
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| 11:17.20 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: stop playing with that cockroach you'll catch something :-P |
| 11:17.45 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 11:18.33 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: ok then |
| 11:19.33 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Plus you still have that court order for worrying sheep ;-) |
| 11:25.43 | morsing | dick_turpin: Huh? Are you making fun of me? |
| 11:26.52 | dick_turpin | morsing: What are you babbling on about? |
| 11:27.12 | morsing | dick_turpin: Me and sheep. Maybe you didn't know... |
| 11:27.30 | cpufreak | Is there a limit on the number of bind mounts you can have on a Linux (2.6 box)? |
| 11:28.46 | morsing | Yes, 0 |
| 11:29.03 | dick_turpin | morsing: So it was you outside the court house with your hand over your face screaming "No pictures, No comment" ;-) |
| 11:29.49 | morsing | No comments... |
| 11:37.35 | dick_turpin | Baaa |
| 11:46.03 | niv_one_three | to do OR in bash statment need I put one |
| 11:46.09 | niv_one_three | | or two || ? |
| 11:46.21 | niv_one_three | nm |
| 11:49.01 | antiphase | Same as every other language. | is bitwise OR, || is logical OR |
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| 11:51.24 | morsing | keithlard_! |
| 11:51.42 | morsing | antiphase: | is pipe |
| 11:53.37 | antiphase | That's a minor point |
| 11:54.17 | antiphase | | is also bitwise OR, within an expression |
| 11:55.31 | morsing | Is it? |
| 11:55.36 | morsing | Prove it! |
| 11:55.39 | morsing | :) |
| 11:55.57 | morsing | List is still down... |
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| 11:59.48 | morsing | clive-h! |
| 12:00.09 | clive-h | hi morsing |
| 12:00.37 | dick_turpin | clive-h: :-) |
| 12:01.28 | clive-h | hi dick_turpin |
| 12:39.41 | dick_turpin | ibot: throw water on goibhniu |
| 12:42.02 | goibhniu | ibot I love you |
| 12:42.16 | ibot | You love you? |
| 12:42.49 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: You lucky bas........ |
| 12:43.26 | goibhniu | ibot: I love you! |
| 12:43.37 | ibot | You love you!? |
| 12:44.45 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: All right don't milk it :-P |
| 12:45.42 | dick_turpin | ibot: whack goibhniu |
| 12:49.05 | ibot | ACTION whacks goibhniu upside the head. |
| 12:49.19 | dick_turpin | ibot: hit goibhniu |
| 12:49.39 | ibot | ACTION slaps goibhniu. |
| 12:49.39 | dick_turpin | ibot: youre an idiot |
| 12:49.41 | dick_turpin | Mutter mutter mutter |
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| 13:06.13 | mumperer | Hi each |
| 13:07.15 | goibhniu | mumperer: what have you done with innerarc? |
| 13:08.17 | mumperer | goibhniu: norralot, thinks I. Dunno, the informed answer |
| 13:11.33 | mumperer | goibhniu: I'd like to know too - seeing Ubuntu go so easily on his lap-top was impressive. if it's strangulated his hernia then gorblimey, tweren't me! |
| 13:13.44 | goibhniu | mumperer I promised I'd give you lots of abuse until you got it working for him |
| 13:15.24 | mumperer | goibhniu: Ooooo, I haven't been abused for oh, nearly weeks! Has anything more happened about a pub meet to discuss the next gllug meeting or am I affected by having had little sleep/ |
| 13:17.02 | mumperer | goibhniu: meanwhile, I thought his problem was interference from the Microshit system already in place? |
| 13:17.05 | goibhniu | I've volunteered my services for next week, I hope the mailing list gets sorted though |
| 13:17.52 | goibhniu | mumperer: I don't know, maybe he fixed it since, last I heard he got it working intermittantly |
| 13:19.04 | niv_one_three | yet another newbie question |
| 13:19.12 | mumperer | goibhniu: oh, so my dream of a local pub meet-up this week this week is gorn? An intermittently it was, enough, I'd say, to set him on as correcting road |
| 13:19.24 | niv_one_three | how may I apply this patch on the kernel ? |
| 13:19.25 | niv_one_three | http://bluetooth-alsa.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/bluetooth-alsa/plugz/patches/sco-flowcontrol-v4.2.diff?revision=1.1 |
| 13:19.43 | niv_one_three | I got the kernel source at /usr/src/linux |
| 13:20.08 | morsing | goibhniu: Coffee with Kareem is... |
| 13:20.26 | goibhniu | morsing: ... love? |
| 13:20.37 | morsing | A synonym for something sexual |
| 13:21.06 | wethrin | niv_one_three: Normally "patch -p0 < foo.patch" works |
| 13:21.09 | antiphase | niv_one_three: man patch |
| 13:21.25 | goibhniu | morsing: what does CMS mean ... to sexual gurus |
| 13:21.26 | morsing | wethrin: You suck |
| 13:21.34 | morsing | Content Management System |
| 13:22.10 | wethrin | morsing: Yes |
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| 13:26.40 | morsing | wethrin: You do? |
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| 13:54.10 | morsing | clive-h! |
| 13:54.14 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 13:55.50 | [Clive] | hi |
| 13:56.12 | wethrin | yes? |
| 14:00.17 | wethrin | for a bit |
| 14:03.53 | wethrin | or not |
| 14:04.59 | morsing | Nice |
| 14:05.04 | morsing | How's the cool room? |
| 14:05.23 | morsing | wethrin: BTW: What did you have for lunch today and yesterday? |
| 14:07.13 | wethrin | DYM clean room, rather than cool room? |
| 14:07.21 | wethrin | If so, not been in there today |
| 14:07.40 | wethrin | Today, I mostly had....a brie, bacon & cranberry panini, and a sausage bap |
| 14:08.02 | morsing | wethrin: Well, I think it's a cool room ;-) |
| 14:11.45 | goibhniu | wethrin: it only seems to be your diet he's tracking ... maybe he wants to eat you |
| 14:12.29 | wethrin | Mmm....yes |
| 14:29.19 | morsing | ibot change 35600 dkk to gbp |
| 14:40.28 | morsing | How does it work with expenses and mileage to work when you're a contractor? |
| 14:41.32 | boudiccas | new definition of contractor = agricultural con merchant |
| 14:42.25 | morsing | Nice |
| 14:43.42 | wethrin | morsing: Probably just bill it as part of your contracting rate |
| 14:44.04 | morsing | wethrin: No - it's for tax reasons... |
| 14:52.00 | morsing | wethrin? |
| 14:52.31 | wethrin | yes? |
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| 14:57.55 | morsing | wethrin: What are you doing? |
| 15:00.50 | wethrin | Procrastinating |
| 15:01.03 | morsing | Nice |
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| 15:06.04 | morsing | flips_and_rails! |
| 15:29.45 | goibhniu | morsing: I don't know either ... tax fest next week though |
| 15:30.17 | goibhniu | first I thought it was on corporation tax, then SA, but I have a feeling it's something else now |
| 15:30.43 | morsing | goibhniu: What do I do with my P45? |
| 15:31.31 | goibhniu | keep it until the hmrc asks for it I think |
| 15:31.38 | goibhniu | they'll give you a tax code |
| 15:31.39 | morsing | hmrc? |
| 15:31.45 | morsing | I've got one already |
| 15:32.00 | goibhniu | ok, I think they'll just ask for it if they need it |
| 15:32.14 | goibhniu | but you can ask your accountant |
| 15:32.20 | morsing | Cool |
| 15:34.40 | eyore | I'm trying to correctly configure a mail server which sends a few application notifications (sign ups, password reminders etc) |
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| 15:35.25 | morsing | PussInBoots |
| 15:35.26 | morsing | ! |
| 15:35.39 | eyore | How exactly is one suppose to configure the DNS for mail to increase the likelyhood of messages going through |
| 15:35.45 | eyore | do they check reverse DNS? |
| 15:36.16 | eyore | Or rather do some mail servers use reverse DNS to weight whether or not to reject mail from you. |
| 15:36.36 | eyore | and if so, what is the correct way to configure the reverse DNS |
| 15:36.43 | wethrin | Ask your ISP |
| 15:36.57 | wethrin | Unless you have a netblock assigned to you |
| 15:37.03 | eyore | They will configure it for me |
| 15:37.10 | eyore | It's just i'm not sure what i'm asking for |
| 15:37.24 | wethrin | You want forward and reverse records to match |
| 15:37.43 | eyore | if i have a mail server sausage.unrulymedia.com and mail is sent from system@unrulymedia.com |
| 15:37.53 | wethrin | That's okay |
| 15:38.17 | wethrin | Just make sure that the machine its sending from has a name of sausage.unrulymedia.com |
| 15:38.18 | eyore | do i want the servers IP address to reverse lookup to sausage.unrulymedia.com or unrulymedia.com. |
| 15:38.22 | wethrin | The first |
| 15:38.30 | wethrin | As long as there's a matching A record |
| 15:38.30 | eyore | okay thanks very much |
| 15:38.36 | eyore | there is an A record |
| 15:38.50 | eyore | I just need the reverse for sausage.unrulymedia.com (the PTR record right?) |
| 15:38.52 | antiphase | Domain A records are for wieners |
| 15:38.53 | wethrin | Yes |
| 15:39.36 | eyore | antiphase: thanks for that useful contribution, is there a follow up? |
| 15:39.57 | antiphase | Nothing specific. Don't forget the . on the end |
| 15:40.07 | wethrin | That's for the ISP to remember :) |
| 15:40.17 | eyore | indeed |
| 15:40.56 | eyore | though I remember once when I was using an ISP that shall remain nameless that didn't put in the . in and nuked ALL our business critical domains for 5 hours |
| 15:41.06 | eyore | ABOVENET |
| 15:41.15 | eyore | oohps i said it |
| 15:41.53 | morsing | Beer |
| 15:43.32 | wethrin | Um. That's just a bit rubbish of them. That should've been noticed and fixed within a couple of minutes |
| 15:43.57 | eyore | They noticed within a few minutes as I started screaming at them. |
| 15:44.06 | eyore | It was set to expire in about 5 hours |
| 15:44.10 | eyore | already gone out |
| 15:44.25 | eyore | actually it was longer than that |
| 15:44.34 | wethrin | Most places will update a lot sooner than that |
| 15:45.04 | eyore | None of the DNS servers I tried did, they had all cached the original request for the stated time |
| 15:45.22 | eyore | i mean the original error |
| 15:46.32 | eyore | I even found a work around that would have worked, because without the "." it was CNAMEing the domain to correctDomain.com.ourDomain.com |
| 15:46.38 | eyore | instead of correctDomain.com |
| 15:47.21 | eyore | But the guy working the DNS system failed to understand that setting up another CNAME on correctDomain.com.ourDomain.com back to correctDomain.com would have effectively resolved the issue immediately |
| 15:47.31 | eyore | and wouldn't do it |
| 15:48.23 | morsing | Nice |
| 15:49.03 | morsing | ping sabinef72 |
| 15:49.07 | morsing | ping SlayerXP |
| 15:49.59 | niv_one_three | time for basketball |
| 15:50.04 | niv_one_three | bye bye |
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| 16:02.31 | sabinef72 | morsing: yes ? |
| 16:06.55 | morsing | sabinef72: Sorry, damn tab completion. Meant SlayerXP |
| 16:07.01 | morsing | sabinef72: How are you anyway? |
| 16:22.19 | SlayerXP | morsing: yes? |
| 16:24.09 | morsing | SlayerXP: How do I claim back miles driven on expenses? |
| 16:24.41 | SlayerXP | morsing: you file an expenses claim in the company standard format. the rate is 40p per mile. |
| 16:31.55 | morsing | And give it to whom? |
| 16:33.26 | ranner | 40p per mile for the first x000 miles, then 25p per mile after that |
| 16:33.46 | SlayerXP | morsing: your accountant. |
| 16:34.31 | ranner | there are also several ways you can claim back the vat. Work out how many miles you're likely to do and then ask your accountant which way will be the most tax efficient to claim it back |
| 16:35.35 | goibhniu | ranner do you know where you claim your expenses back from? especially if you don't have a vat number? |
| 16:36.27 | goibhniu | I assume it's the tax on dividends of the company rather than the employee's self assessment or anything |
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| 16:44.36 | ranner | goibhniu : if you don't have a vat number (not VAT registered) you can't claim back vat, but you don't charge it either |
| 16:45.10 | goibhniu | oh yeah, but not vat, company expenses |
| 16:45.39 | goibhniu | e.g. a shiny laptop |
| 16:45.45 | ranner | goibhniu: if you're selling exclusively to vat registered companies it makes sense to register for vat so that you can claim back vat on any expenses you incur |
| 16:46.49 | goibhniu | I don't think I really need to be vat registered |
| 16:47.23 | ranner | goibhniu: you could offset it against tax by getting your company to buy it for you, or get your client to buy it for you, and then deduct the vat free amount from your pay, but then they'd legally own the laptop |
| 16:47.24 | goibhniu | but I do want to pay as little tax as possible |
| 16:48.44 | goibhniu | yes exactly, so my company buys the laptop but where does it claim back the tax from? |
| 16:49.47 | goibhniu | from tax on the dividend? |
| 16:50.14 | ranner | goibhniu: do you mean vat when you say tax, or do you mean that the laptop money has already had income tax/ni deducted and you want that back? |
| 16:51.22 | goibhniu | I don't really know ... in this case the company has paid for the laptop and vat already |
| 16:53.33 | ranner | goibhniu: if the company has paid vat already, you could claim it back (if within the last 3 months) if you became vat registered. Otherwise, your company pays you less money because it owns the laptop, and so you don't pay income tax or ni on that money because you're not paid it, but there is no way to claim back the VAT |
| 16:55.04 | ranner | goibhniu: if in doubt, ask a tax adviser or acountant - hmrc aren't nice people to deal with if you break their rules... |
| 16:56.31 | goibhniu | oh ... so I (as an employee) deduct it from my wages, and consequently pay less tax? |
| 16:56.46 | goibhniu | hmm ... thanks ranner I don't think I get it ... but this helps |
| 16:57.00 | goibhniu | I'll read up on it next week ... tax-fest! |
| 17:01.14 | ranner | goibhniu: hmrc run introduction to VAT type sessions (often organised and promoted by businesslink) that would give you more info on VAT if you wanted it. There are some VAT options designed to make life easy for small businesses (like one where you charge full vat, then just pay a fixed portion of it back to hmrc [10-12% i think] instead of keeping reciepts etc. and claiming back) |
| 17:01.46 | goibhniu | I suspect I'm asking the question in a confusing way ... I was at one of those businesslink sessions, and they said not to bother with VAT |
| 17:02.15 | eyore | You can ignore VAT as a small business. |
| 17:03.05 | eyore | Registering for VAT is only useful if you are planning to spend a lot more than you make. |
| 17:03.21 | eyore | if that is the case then you can reclaim more VAT than you pay out. |
| 17:03.51 | eyore | but even then you have to be reclaiming so much more VAT than you pay out that it's worth dealing with VAT paperwork |
| 17:04.16 | ranner | eyore: No, VAT is very useful if all of your clients are VAT registered companies. You charge them VAT (which they can then claim back) and then claim back VAT on all purchases your company makes. |
| 17:05.27 | ranner | eyore: If you run a Ltd. company you have to keep almost all of the records you need for VAT. All you have to do then is fill in one form every 3 months |
| 17:05.40 | ranner | and you can do it online |
| 17:06.41 | eyore | It is true if all of your sales are to other companies then it is worth registering. What i was saying is only true if you are consumer facing. |
| 17:06.47 | goibhniu | so if I understand, if you're company isn't registered for vat you as an employee pay the expenses out of your own pocket and then claim them back on your self assessment form |
| 17:07.53 | eyore | If you are registering a company for contracting purposes for instance then it is worth registering. |
| 17:08.25 | goibhniu | that's pretty much what they told me ... although possibly if you get 60k+ or something |
| 17:09.20 | eyore | goibhniu: I'm a bit lost there, VAT registration is unrelated to how you buy stuff, you could buy stuff on a company account OR on your own personal account and then have the company pay you back the expense. |
| 17:09.27 | eyore | I don't quite see how that relates to VAT |
| 17:09.39 | eyore | either way, if you are VAT registered the company can claim back VAT |
| 17:09.50 | wethrin | ~change 1 USD to GBP |
| 17:09.56 | wethrin | ~change 1 GBP to USD |
| 17:10.36 | goibhniu | eyore: but where does the company claim back tax for expenses then? from corporation tax? |
| 17:11.39 | goibhniu | eyore: (when the company isn't registered for vat) |
| 17:11.39 | eyore | Company can claim back VAT if you register for VAT. But if it does so you will have to pay VAT too on any products/services you sell. |
| 17:12.14 | goibhniu | and when it isn't you can still claim back tax from expenses or am I smoking crack? |
| 17:13.05 | eyore | Totally different to VAT you can offset expenses against profits to reduce your overall corporation tax. |
| 17:13.11 | eyore | that is unrelated to VAT |
| 17:13.21 | goibhniu | yay! corporation tax! that's it! |
| 17:13.28 | eyore | but working out the corporation tax can be expensive |
| 17:13.31 | eyore | i mean complicated |
| 17:13.38 | eyore | (expensive if you need an accountant! :) |
| 17:14.01 | goibhniu | ahh .. sure I can follow the gnucash tutorial :) |
| 17:14.08 | goibhniu | thanks eyore that really clears things up |
| 17:14.11 | eyore | for instance for coporation tax if you buy a 3k computer I don't think you can offset that immediately as an expense, I think you have to offset it gradually over time |
| 17:14.17 | goibhniu | and makes sense even! |
| 17:14.34 | eyore | according to some complex set of rules |
| 17:14.38 | goibhniu | oh that's right ... I understand that |
| 17:14.49 | goibhniu | and if you use it for personal use as well as business etc |
| 17:14.53 | eyore | yes |
| 17:16.03 | eyore | VAT is suppose to really be a company neutral tax, it's designed to tax consumers. Corporation tax is designed to tax company profits |
| 17:17.29 | eyore | Council tax is my personal pet hate |
| 17:17.44 | eyore | It seems to be a tax on how many students you live with. |
| 17:17.45 | goibhniu | exactly .. and I don't want to register for VAT, I was confused though since there's the company expenses section in the SA form |
| 17:18.11 | goibhniu | my landlord pays that ... or perhaps dodges that |
| 17:18.27 | eyore | if he is dodging it, you go to prison not him anyway. |
| 17:18.32 | eyore | worth considering :) |
| 17:18.34 | goibhniu | as long as I don't get taxed for the cockroches I'm ok |
| 17:18.43 | goibhniu | oh feck! |
| 17:18.47 | eyore | yup! |
| 17:18.50 | goibhniu | shitballs! |
| 17:18.56 | eyore | heh |
| 17:19.05 | goibhniu | how can I find out without going to prison? |
| 17:19.47 | eyore | They won't send you straight to prison you know, they will ask you to pay first. |
| 17:20.04 | eyore | Prison is only the last resort. |
| 17:20.45 | eyore | Your council will know whether or not the council tax is being paid. But that will alert them to the fact you live there. |
| 17:21.00 | eyore | anyway I'm going to get some bagels now. |
| 17:21.28 | goibhniu | eyore: have a nice bagel ... this has been enlightening .. many thanks |
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| 17:45.00 | JosefAssad | oh ffs... it just crahed and blew an email I worked on for 15 minutes |
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| 21:51.24 | hali | stock options suck right? |
| 21:51.35 | cpufreak | depends |
| 21:52.13 | hali | wonky startup doing weird apps for the financial market based in wimbeldon?! |
| 21:52.29 | hali | a 'real' company would have been based in the city |
| 21:52.53 | hali | probably less than 30 servers so far |
| 21:52.58 | hali | which means fuck all to do |
| 21:59.40 | hali | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKVd1wwnHDE |
| 21:59.41 | hali | excellent! |
| 22:08.40 | z00dax | hali: looks like that guy just relisted the machines |
| 22:09.47 | hali | z00dax: what a bastard |
| 22:09.59 | hali | 350 for a 2gb + 1gb machine should be fine |
| 22:10.11 | hali | i know her |
| 22:10.12 | hali | nice lady |
| 22:10.13 | hali | great cans |
| 22:10.40 | hali | ^H^H^H^H^H |
| 22:11.48 | z00dax | humm ? |
| 22:12.30 | z00dax | i agree on that 350 for the 2 machines deal, if you've bought from him before - why dont you get in touch - I'll split the cost with you and we can get a machine each! |
| 22:14.15 | hali | you are using the machine for centos stuff right? |
| 22:14.45 | hali | oh, found an old email, here name is Jeanette ... total porn name :) |
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| 22:15.26 | z00dax | prolly a 60 year old, old fart of a guy |
| 22:15.31 | hali | :-) |
| 22:15.44 | hali | he sounded quite feminine over the phone :) |
| 22:15.56 | hali | shall i make the 350 off ebay bid then? |
| 22:16.04 | z00dax | hali: is the plan yes, we need ia64 machine... huw-l has been trying to get us something, but his site policy and our need for root collide headon |
| 22:16.24 | z00dax | Cope! |
| 22:16.32 | z00dax | err, helena ! |
| 22:16.33 | hali | only problem is the drive issue :( |
| 22:16.47 | hali | perhaps we can get someone to sponsor you with scsi drives though |
| 22:17.01 | z00dax | I asked around about drives, and i think we should be able to sort out a 18gig drive, which is fine |
| 22:17.14 | z00dax | since the rest can be iscsi mounted from a diff machine |
| 22:17.40 | hali | i saw 36gb sca scsi for 39squid "nib" |
| 22:17.45 | z00dax | as long as its a sca2 interface, which - unless some guy at dell was smoking some serious shit - it should be |
| 22:17.48 | hali | so we can do that worst case |
| 22:17.59 | z00dax | yea, that works roo |
| 22:18.02 | z00dax | s/roo/too/ |
| 22:18.12 | hali | i have 3 18gb drives in sweden, i could get my mother to bring them in may :) |
| 22:18.44 | z00dax | illicit international courier of contraband! |
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| 22:21.10 | hali | hmmmm |
| 22:21.14 | hali | it's plus vat |
| 22:21.36 | cpufreak | anyone else want a joost invite before I go to bed? |
| 22:22.25 | hali | is it any cool? |
| 22:22.32 | cpufreak | course it is |
| 22:22.34 | cpufreak | I work for them |
| 22:22.36 | cpufreak | has to be cool |
| 22:22.45 | hali | 'k, slot me in then :) |
| 22:22.51 | hali | hampus.linden@gmail.com |
| 22:23.15 | cpufreak | sent :D |
| 22:23.25 | hali | thanks :) |
| 22:24.06 | z00dax | cpufreak: sure |
| 22:24.12 | z00dax | me ? |
| 22:24.24 | cpufreak | I need an meial address |
| 22:24.25 | cpufreak | and name |
| 22:24.26 | cpufreak | email |
| 22:24.35 | z00dax | Karanbir Singh is the email |
| 22:24.50 | z00dax | and z00dax@gmail.com is the email addy that gets enough spam that i dont mind pasting here |
| 22:25.41 | cpufreak | sent |
| 22:29.46 | hali | cpufreak: bug report, my multipedia keys don't work when running the app |
| 22:29.53 | hali | multimedia* |
| 22:29.56 | hali | like the volume controls |
| 22:29.57 | cpufreak | so file a bug |
| 22:30.02 | cpufreak | osx or windows? |
| 22:30.29 | cpufreak | http://www.joost.com/support/contact.html |
| 22:30.30 | hali | vista |
| 22:30.33 | hali | i'll do that |
| 22:30.35 | cpufreak | ahh. |
| 22:30.36 | ranner | ooh, joost looks cool. paul@pr0.co.uk |
| 22:30.40 | cpufreak | you probbaly loose then |
| 22:30.45 | cpufreak | lose |
| 22:30.45 | hali | :) |
| 22:31.02 | cpufreak | ranner: ok |
| 22:31.02 | hali | it's like not using any bandwidth at all... |
| 22:31.09 | hali | but still great quality |
| 22:31.15 | cpufreak | sent |
| 22:31.36 | ranner | cpufreak: thanks |
| 22:31.46 | cpufreak | figured out your surname from whois data. |
| 22:32.00 | cpufreak | hali: yeh, thats the idea |
| 22:32.01 | hali | excellt, irc and joost on top :) |
| 22:32.05 | hali | love widescreen |
| 22:33.58 | cpufreak | :) |
| 22:34.27 | hali | but seriously, bridezillas? :) |
| 22:34.31 | cpufreak | quality isn't perfect yet, we're working on making it a little better still.. |
| 22:34.51 | cpufreak | don't blame me for the content, |
| 22:34.58 | z00dax | cpufreak: ok, so where is the linux client ? |
| 22:35.21 | cpufreak | http://www.joost.com/support/faq/Feature-requests.html#Will-there-be-a-Joost-client-for-Linux |
| 22:35.26 | hali | second bug, "always on top" breaks every time i alt-tab between the joost app and other apps |
| 22:35.37 | hali | damn vista |
| 22:36.04 | z00dax | ok, signed up for newsletter |
| 22:36.28 | cpufreak | someone had it working in wine though |
| 22:36.46 | cpufreak | with some new patches which have been/are being merged with wine cvs soon |
| 22:36.53 | hali | z00dax: ok, i spammed jeaneete |
| 22:36.58 | hali | ^t |
| 22:37.30 | hali | oh, boobies |
| 22:37.32 | z00dax | hali: ok, so if she does the nod, how much am i looking to cough up ? |
| 22:37.42 | hali | z00dax: not sure, 150 or so |
| 22:37.45 | cpufreak | http://appdb.winehq.org/appimage.php?iId=9308 |
| 22:37.47 | z00dax | awrite cool |
| 22:37.54 | z00dax | i dont do wine !!!! |
| 22:38.06 | z00dax | mainly since wine does not do linux/ppc |
| 22:38.24 | hali | since wine is not an emulator :) |
| 22:38.59 | cpufreak | give up on ppc already |
| 22:39.02 | z00dax | i do however, have osx installed here on the machine |
| 22:39.07 | cpufreak | its a dead arch |
| 22:39.12 | hali | cpufreak: the total recall episode is going to do loads of advertisng :) |
| 22:39.13 | cpufreak | its osx/intel only |
| 22:39.15 | hali | *boobies* :) |
| 22:39.16 | cpufreak | and windows |
| 22:39.34 | cpufreak | osx/pc isn't out yet |
| 22:39.35 | cpufreak | er |
| 22:39.35 | cpufreak | osx/ppc isn't out yet |
| 22:39.37 | cpufreak | sorry ;) |
| 22:40.16 | z00dax | although, i think there is someone I know how knows someone whos sister runs Windows still. |
| 22:40.44 | z00dax | humm |
| 22:41.28 | cpufreak | hali: there's 17 eps or so of total recall |
| 22:42.05 | ranner | runs nicely on my macbook pro |
| 22:42.08 | ranner | :-) |
| 22:42.13 | hali | cpufreak: whats the swedish guy like to work for? |
| 22:42.18 | cpufreak | not met him |
| 22:42.30 | cpufreak | if you mean janus or whateve rhis name is |
| 22:42.35 | hali | yes |
| 22:42.36 | ranner | even though I've been seeing the colorwheel of death quite a bit in eclipse today... |
| 22:42.43 | cpufreak | there's some other sweeds |
| 22:42.43 | hali | i met him once like 5 years ago |
| 22:42.49 | cpufreak | ranner: try out your remote |
| 22:42.51 | cpufreak | for the mac :) |
| 22:42.54 | z00dax | ranner: you need to get the eclipse built with gcj.... it rocks! |
| 22:43.04 | z00dax | s/rocks/is actually usable at near kdevelop speeds/ |
| 22:43.24 | hali | 'nothing' works with gcj |
| 22:43.25 | ranner | cpufreak: the remote's at home, I'm in the office - I'll try it when I get a chance :) |
| 22:43.32 | cpufreak | oh right |
| 22:43.37 | cpufreak | it works mostly |
| 22:43.40 | hali | realjdk pwns |
| 22:43.44 | cpufreak | there's some bugsm but there's people working on it |
| 22:44.33 | ranner | zoodax: I'm actually using eclipse cdt for c/c++ at the moment, is gcj a compiled version of eclipse or a version for compiling java to native code? |
| 22:45.07 | ranner | I couldn't live without the vi plugin for eclipse though |
| 22:46.21 | ranner | my colleage has been peering over my shoulder and wants a joost login if poss. mike.moore@sykosystems.com |
| 22:47.02 | hali | cpufreak: mind sending an invite to my jealous swedish mate? gustaf.gunnarsson@gmail.com |
| 22:47.26 | cpufreak | sent |
| 22:47.59 | hali | cpufreak: excellt, thank you |
| 22:48.05 | hali | excellent* |
| 22:48.10 | cpufreak | np |
| 22:52.14 | hali | the joost ui is pretty great |
| 22:52.25 | cpufreak | thanks |
| 22:52.34 | ranner | agreed. very nice |
| 22:52.40 | hali | i like than up-down/left-right navigation, even my granny could use that |
| 22:52.41 | cpufreak | I wont tell the devleopers that though |
| 22:52.45 | cpufreak | it'll make them slack off |
| 22:54.38 | hali | however the content is scarry well select to have something for everyone |
| 22:55.03 | ranner | age verification might need tightening up a bit - "are you over 18, yes/no" (watching prodigy video, not pr0n) |
| 22:55.16 | hali | like bridezilla, total recall, manga, fotball etc etc... anyone anywhere will enjoy something :) |
| 22:55.22 | hali | great marketing |
| 22:56.04 | hali | did they just say "boobie buns" in the manga thing?! |
| 22:56.11 | hali | thats like, not pc :) |
| 22:56.38 | cpufreak | 5th gear is alright too |
| 22:57.36 | hali | v50 vs. the subaru |
| 22:57.43 | hali | bilarh will like that one |
| 23:05.37 | hali | oh, managed to provoke a slight lipsync delay |
| 23:10.38 | cpufreak | how? |
| 23:10.39 | cpufreak | if its repeatable, file a bug |
| 23:11.25 | hali | watching alliance atlantis and just jumping back and forth |
| 23:11.43 | hali | i'll file a bug for the multimedia keys in vista tomorrow, thats the only real bug i've found so far |