IRC log for #gllug on 20070428

04:17.27Leedsibot change 1 gbp to usd
08:00.06pr0nGuymorsing: pr0n indeed
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09:12.48mumpererHi :)
09:16.29mumpererMy son rang me from Folkestone (out on a dawn photography trip) saying the town had been hit by an earthquake. So I called up the BBC page. Yeah, text on the shake-up, but an un-Linux friendly Realtime thingy stopped me seeing whatever the TV coverage was. Seems most unfriendly ...
09:17.54z00daxlooks like outage in level3 :/
09:18.16z00daxmumperer: mplayer with the right codec will do it for you
09:20.19mumpererz00dax: Okeydokey, I'll have a look at that, thanks.
09:20.28z00daxwhat distro ?
09:21.28mumpererz00dax: Ubuntu 6.06
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09:40.48mumperergoibhniu!
09:40.59goibhniumumperer ... howya!
09:45.05mumperergoibhniu: hold it, hold it! Advised yesterday by PC world lady that my kit needs DDR PC2100 memory. 'Kay, what then? I've discovered quite a lot about my system but not, apparently, enough. I did get to buy an anti-static bracelet ready for the big day though ...
09:45.41goibhniu:)
09:46.06goibhniuare you getting a new graphics card too?
09:47.35goibhniuhave you bought the memory already?
09:48.33mumperergoibhniu: ah, there's an interesting one - a long discussion between my son and aforesaid lady, with much head-nodding, revealed that they thought I could achieve betterment (3D processing?) via software. And no, I've bought nowt other than the bracelet!
09:50.10goibhniudepending on your motherboard there may be interesting options for the memory, things like 2x512MB sticks will probably be better than 1x1GB
09:50.31goibhniudo you know what graphics card you have already?
09:51.27goibhniuwith memory as well, afaik having one slow stick in there will slow the whole show down even if it means you have more memory available
09:51.46goibhniuI can do some research for you if you give me model numbers etc
09:53.47mumperergoibhniu: ah well. I derived much (unintelligible) listing from running dmidecode - eight pages print-out, nicely done, drawing from me repeated shouts of "Wossat?" Model number CE No. 10064759, by the way.
09:54.21goltorgoibhniu: that is true
09:55.16mumperergoibhniu: would it assist if I e-mailed the text file (from dmidecode) to you?
09:55.30goibhniumumperer: what number is that for? ... if you have the model number of the motherboard or the machine handy ... that'd be ace
09:55.45goibhniumumperer: cillian.deroiste@gmail.com
09:56.32goibhniumumperer: have you got a 3d desktop beryl/compiz yet?
09:58.41goibhniugoltor, cheers
09:59.26mumperergoibhniu: sorry, attention away as I put that address in and no, - the reason is that a numbher of occasions a message has said that 3-d was not enabled - whatever - so not much has been doen about that.
10:00.28mumperergoibhniu: seriously though, please confirm are you saying I should send you that text file?
10:01.56goibhniumumperer: yep, please send that file ... if you disappear for a while I'll get back to you by email
10:02.14goibhniumumperer: if you do have the model number of the motherboard too that would be helpful
10:02.45mumperergoibhniu: my thanks. Will do ... ciao for now
10:05.49goibhniuchow
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10:15.39mumpererback again ... :)
10:16.02mumpererWent inadvertent walkabouts ...
10:18.06goibhniuexcellent ... it looks bright out there!
10:18.35goibhniudo you think he went street fighting last night?
10:26.24mumperergoibhniu: is morsing really an adverb? If so, then yes ...
10:31.01goibhniumumperer: I just looked at the file you sent, it looks like it's got all the details ... I have to do some chores now tho :(
10:31.54mumperergoibhniu: many warm thanks. But yeah, morsing IS quiet ...
10:33.00Leedsevening folks...
10:33.09mumpererLeeds!
10:35.13mumpererLeeds: nothing personal, I've now gotta go - SWMBO shouts up stairs nosheroonietime!! See ya
10:36.33Leedshave fun
10:39.49gregjI guess I'll have to do some sort of stay-in-bed-and-code session :)
10:40.21LeedsI've been to the bank, and to the computer mall today
10:44.27gregjmaybe I'll take a bus to london, and see some of my old friends
10:47.26LeedsI went to price up Wiis :-)
10:51.13Leedsfor a Japanese Wii, which means menus in Japanese and only the Japanese store, but modified to play non-Japanese games, with no games included, the street price is around $2000 - that's under £130 :-D
10:53.14gregjI am looking for a job here, my assesment day at a java company here wasn't sucessful after all. despite the fact that techincaly I was okay, they said they don't like the reason why I want to quit running my own business
10:53.48gregjsome don't seem to understand that I may be much better at software devel, than dealing with customers majority of my time
10:53.53Leedsa long time ago, I promised myself a Wii as a 'reward/incentive' for getting a job... hopefully, that might happen next week... not going to do the shopping until I've got a paycheque in hand, but no harm in window-shopping
10:53.54gregj:(
10:54.18Leedsgregj: of course I understand that...  people kept asking me here why I didn't start my own business - that's one of the reasons
10:54.40gregjI am trying to avoid window shopping, it always ends up 'i can buy this little thing, nothing wrong with that' stuff
10:54.58gregjLeeds: I told them 'I do not like to deal with ppl, I rather develop some software'
10:55.04gregjLeeds: that was something they didn't liked
10:55.08Leedswell, I did buy a remote for my xbox, but it was only a tenner
10:55.30gregjand for a strange reason, they didn't wanted me to straight* it up
10:55.30Leedsyeah, there are better ways to phrase that, you know... *never* tell a potential employer that you don't like dealing with people
10:55.53gregjLeeds: it was just one of sentences in whole answer
10:56.10gregjLeeds: so the guy obviously didn't got me right on this one
10:56.14Leedsyou can say something like "I prefer dealing with technical people" or "I enjoy professional interactions, but I'm not a salesman"
10:56.19gregjor probably just my english isn't that perfect
10:56.43gregjI said that
10:56.50gregjthat I am not a sales man
10:56.52gregjetc
10:57.09gregjdunno, I can always suspect the guy didn't liked Poles
10:57.47gregjbut on the other hand, he wouldn't wanna drag me over to uk, pay for my ticket and 3 nights in hotel
10:58.06gregjduno, screw them, nothing I can do about it
10:58.08Leedsanother point which has been made to me is that if you're looking for a job, you *have* to be a salesman, because you're selling yourself to potential employers
10:58.48gregjselling my skills to get a job, is a bit different than selling software to customers
10:59.07Leedsnot that different
10:59.33Leedsfor example, one of the things we all know about salesmen is that they pump up the good things about their products and avoid talking about the bad things...
10:59.34gregjI have no problems describing what can I do, and how would it be benefit for company to employ me
10:59.50Leedsso you need to pump up your software dev skills, and avoid talking about dealing with people
10:59.56Leedsmost of us are too honest, yes
10:59.58gregjyeah
11:00.06Leedsif we weren't, we'd be successful salesmen ;-)
11:00.14gregj:)
11:01.22gregjso anyway, if someone knows about some potential job in cambridge or london, i need something asap. please let me know
11:07.52gregjagents are very slow
11:09.10boudiccasand they like you to 'come in and register' and then they forget about you
11:09.29gregjI am calling few of them everyday
11:09.39gregjso they can't forget me anytime soon
11:10.14gregjbastards get money for it, and most companies won't allow me to bring over just my cv and chat, they send everyone to recruitment agent
11:16.21Leedshmm... really not a good idea to be sitting reading old MSN logs of chats with Jasmine :-(
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11:23.57gregj:/
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12:06.31clive-h"come in and register"?
12:06.52clive-hI've never met a single agency recruiter in person
12:10.23LeedsI've met a few here, partly because I've called after I registered to ask if I could have a chat
12:11.51Leedsnot that it did any good...
12:11.55clive-hMostly the agents I talk to aren't even remotely local to me
12:12.26Leedseverything is local in HK
12:13.55gregjclive-h: same here, with all of them, I chat over the phone or emails
12:14.16gregjclive-h: it is only the on employer's site that i talk to some recriuters, but not the agents again
12:15.09Leedsin my experience here, I've got nothing from agents, and nothing from 'employers' - everything I have got (which isn't that much) has been through networking contacts
12:16.54gregjnever had anything via 'networking contacts', LinkedIn and etc - which you probably to refer
12:17.00gregjrefer to.
12:17.04Leedsno, much more personal than that
12:17.47Leedsmeeting people, both in formal and informal things - going to the pub with a mate to meet other mates of his, or going to an arranged pub meet...
12:18.02Leedspassing CVs through people you know, possibly via other people on the way
12:19.30Leedsthe two important things are to avoid going through HR people, and to have it come in with a recommendation - "have a look at this CV, I know this bloke and he knows his stuff"
12:20.09Leedsworth noting that a lot of larger companies have bounties - if you recommend someone for a position and they get it, you can be up for a bonus - so people *want* to pass CVs on
12:20.11gregjI know plenty of ppl here in UK that have good say of me, but they won't pass anything around HR - because it is against their company policy
12:20.18gregjand say it simply won't work
12:20.22Leedsnonsense
12:20.37gregjat least the ppl and companuies I know
12:20.44gregjmy CV's at http://gj.pointblue.com.pl/cv/
12:20.58gregjif someone feels like passing it over, please do. :)
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12:21.45Leedswhat you want is what I hope is going to happen to me next week - someone technical, who actually wants to hire you, passes your details on to HR and says "I want to hire this guy - interview him, and unless you hate him, make it happen"
12:22.38Leedsgregj: is there a particular reason why there's no HTML there?
12:24.00Leedsand, wow... you're looking for work in the UK with that?  ever thought of getting a native speaker to proofread the English? ;-)
12:24.28gregjI do welcome any help :)
12:25.06gregjI did, friend of mine proofread it, althrough he is kiwi, I thought he did that okay
12:25.14gregjyou say I need html version
12:25.15gregjhmm
12:25.32Leedsreally?  ugh, the English is pretty bad...
12:25.41Leedsvery obviously non-native, anyway
12:25.42gregjl:(
12:26.16gregjLeeds: can I ask you to fix it for me please ? or at least point me out where should I check it, and what needs a change
12:26.26gregjI am eager to make it better, thought it was okay
12:26.58Leedsyup... give me some time - I'll edit it and send you a copy... it's all advice, of course - up to you what you take
12:27.17gregjsure
12:34.40gregjI wonder how many ppl refused it becuse of some problems
12:34.55gregjalthrough I don't see too many spelling mistakes
12:35.00gregjjust few on first page
12:36.36Leedssome spelling mistakes, lots of grammar mistakes, lots of style mistakes
12:36.57Leedsjust constructive criticism, of course :-)
12:42.50gregj:)
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13:55.14Leedsshould I a) stay in by myself, b) go buy junk food and stay in by myself or c) go out by myself, have a drink or two, see if I bump into anyone I know?
14:02.17gregjc sounds interesting
14:02.29gregjI would join you, but we're about half a world prt ;
14:02.29gregjI would join you, but we're about half a world p)
14:02.37gregj*apart
14:02.47Leedshmm... not sure if no answer is a vote for "everyone else is out and about doing something, so you should be too" or "you're all by yourself so you might as well go buy junk food to keep you company"
14:03.18Leedsmaybe I should go somewhere other than the regular places - less chance of meeting someone I know, more chance of meeting someone I don't know
14:03.28gregjI've been in my hotel room for whole day, doing programming, what a boring aturday that is
14:03.43Leedsyes - I did go out twice today
14:03.59Leedsit's not like I spent the entire day in by myself... :-)
14:04.57gregjI haven't left the hotel today yet
14:05.00gregjand it's 1500
14:05.27Leedsthat's not good... go out, see the town - even if you just get a coffee and sit by yourself watching people go past
14:06.29Leedseh, maybe I'll go wander SoHo for a bit
14:08.50gregjI am donw, I don't have a job
14:09.10gregjI came here with positive vibe
14:09.21gregjI knew techincaly I am the good one for the job
14:09.39LeedsI should point out that wandering around Soho doesn't have quite the same implications in HK as it does in London...
14:09.48gregjthose guys are using java only on low level, avoid objects if possible, don't use sun's shitty java libs, beucause those are memory hogs
14:09.57gregjand I was stunned to see that from java company
14:10.24Leedsgregj: I've been out of work since August - I came back here in October thinking I'd find something relatively easily... my best chance seems to have come this week, almost exactly 8 months since I last worked
14:10.36gregjnot being able to find anything else for last 2 days (nobody got back to me with some info, or something, just some vague 'I will get back to you asap')
14:11.18gregjwell, I don't have money to pay the rent or debts, etc. Not funny really if I won't get anything
14:11.50LeedsI've spent all my cash, some savings, some credit card... moved in with a friend because her spare room is much cheaper than having my own place, even if my own place is a one-room studio
14:12.41gregjCC anymore
14:12.52gregjhence my desperate move to UK
14:12.57Leedsand... just got an SMS from her saying that she's with a friend in a bar, if I'm in the area and want to join them - so, not by myself! :-)
14:13.23Leedsyou think it's that much easier to get work in the UK?
14:14.20gregjlike I said, I came here to an interview :)
14:14.36gregjthe guys did 2 phone interviews with me, and asked me to write two tasks
14:15.02gregjso it seemed to be easy thing
14:15.04gregj:/
14:15.15Leedsyeah, you'd think so :-(
14:16.13Leedsanyway, I really must avoid counting my chickens, but it seems I've got a pretty good chance with my current thing - and it's pretty much my last chance not to leave HK as a failure
14:17.06Leedsshould know, at least informally, on Monday evening
14:17.24morsingLeeds!
14:17.36Leedsmorsing?
14:17.40morsingJob?
14:17.53Leedsnot until Monday
14:18.55Leedsnow, it's pub time... at least I've got an invite out
14:20.34gregjmorsing: j o b
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14:36.13lessthan300hi! can anyone recommend me a LIVE 64bit distro under 300 megabytes?
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14:46.40morsingLeeds: So you got it then?
14:46.46morsinglessthan300!
14:46.49morsingceronman!
14:49.04lessthan300hi! can anyone recommend me a LIVE 64bit distro under 300 megabytes?
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14:59.02morsinggoltor!
15:00.03goibhniumorsing: you're alive!!
15:00.42goibhniulessthan300: what for?
15:02.30goibhniulessthan300: gentoo perhaps? http://www.livecdlist.com/?pick=Linux_x86-64&showonly=All&sort=&sm=1
15:02.32lessthan300nevermind. is anyone here using a 64bit distro on an intel core 2 duo?
15:04.39goibhniulessthan300: depending on your requirements you might want to roll your own with rpath or morphix
15:06.12lessthan300no thanks.now  i just want to know whether someone is running a 64bit distro on an inte core 2 duo so they can share their experiences
15:06.26morsinggoibhniu: Barely. Last night's a blur but I think Richard Davies kissed me...
15:07.01goibhniumorsing: any bruises?
15:08.15morsinggoibhniu: No - didn't know where I was when I woke up though. Leaving drinks are horrible
15:09.28morsingWhen's the list getting fixed?
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15:14.29goibhniuabout a week apparently
15:15.43goibhniuit's already been a week though
15:15.47goibhniujust about
15:15.52gregjLeeds: if you have a chance, please review that cv, and send me over diff or something. My email is on that CV.
15:28.45ceronmanhello, can somebody suggest me a good site for buying a domain name?
15:31.13goibhniuceronman: I've got a couple from telivo.com ... seems pretty cheap
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15:34.03ceronmanthanks
15:54.22morsingceronman: lcn.biz
15:54.27morsingclive-h!
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16:38.02clive-hre
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16:53.33murrayHi ... Trying to make an apple remote do useful stuff on a mac mini running feisty.  Seems to be mapped to /dev/input/event5, which shows up in ps -ef with "hald-addon-keyboard: listening on /dev/input/event5" ... and now I'm stuck with what to do/try next.  Any pointers?
16:55.07clive-hno ideas about odd mac hardware
16:56.04murrayweird part is that it is working to control the volume, but the other buttons are just dead, and I can't figure out where to plug in to have them maped to something useful
16:56.25murraylirc seems to run, but fail to get any button press events
16:56.39clive-hi was bgonna suggest lirc
16:58.31murraygoogle has been resisting giving up any useful information all day, and I'm stumped what to try next
16:59.27clive-hNo idea
17:01.17murrayhey ho, thanks clive .. off to try #mactel-linux
17:01.35morsingmurray!
17:15.49halihmm, the piri piri sauce from nandos goes great with just about everything...
17:16.09halijust had it on pizza
17:16.26morsinghali!
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17:31.35clive-hHi again
17:34.57boudiccasrehi
17:37.00clive-hi quite like beryl
17:37.00goibhniuyay!
17:37.10goibhniuclive-h: are you running gnome?
17:37.27clive-hyep
17:37.40goibhniuI highly recommend gnome-launch-box too then
17:37.51clive-hi run gnome on desktops
17:38.04goibhniugoes a treat with beryl and is very useful
17:38.10clive-hMy laptop has too little RAM for gnome
17:38.18clive-hI use xfce4 on it
17:40.56clive-hI don't have gnome-launch-box
17:43.18goibhniuhttp://developer.imendio.com/node/97
17:44.04goibhniuI didn't know they updated it... I've chopping bits out of it because it wasn't working so nice any more
17:44.33goibhniuhttp://developer.imendio.com/projects/gnome-launch-box is better
17:44.49clive-hHmmm I'll have a look after Dr Who
17:45.12clive-hI really want to get beagle working
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18:55.51morsinggoibhniu!
18:55.54morsingSkuzzzy!
18:55.56morsingibot!
19:13.57Skuzzzymorsing!
19:14.43Skuzzzyi reckon you could do both, even moreso if you replace dough with keyboard
19:16.03goibhniuindeed, if I kneaded the keyboard I might actually say sensible things from time to time
19:16.36goibhniuSkuzzzy: what's the weather like in your part of town?
19:17.11goibhniuand why has kde remapped my keyboard?
19:17.25Skuzzzyvery warm & humid in east london
19:18.12goibhniuindeed ... I've been waiting all day for it to get dark ... I'll be able to leave the house soon
19:18.47Skuzzzyhaha
19:19.07Skuzzzyi had to go out in this, this.....sunshine and work, work! on a saturday argh
19:22.24clive-hTis a bit humid in the south east
19:28.14Skuzzzymeh
19:39.51Leedswell, that turned into a bit of a later night than I expected
19:40.32Leedsthe flatmate is exceedingly drunk, I am entirely sober
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19:59.02gregjLeeds: :)
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21:11.10skuzzzymuch better, i felt a little hypocritical coming in here running vista :\
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