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| 06:40.43 | mumperer | Morning all :) |
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| 06:42.43 | Leeds | afternoon :-) |
| 06:48.47 | mumperer | Leeds: funny old world, innit? How's HK? |
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| 07:40.25 | morsing | niv_one_three! |
| 07:40.28 | morsing | popey! |
| 07:40.31 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 07:40.38 | popey | moo |
| 07:40.59 | popey | mailing list :( |
| 07:50.09 | niv_one_three | morning ppl |
| 07:50.20 | niv_one_three | Sunday is working day in Israel |
| 07:51.15 | morsing | Nice |
| 07:51.20 | morsing | TwoSheds sucks |
| 07:56.07 | Leeds | HK is warm and humid... just went out for a late lunch - Chinese curry :-) |
| 07:57.37 | morsing | No such thing as a chinese curry |
| 07:57.54 | morsing | Leeds: Are you actually starting your new job then Richard? |
| 07:58.09 | Leeds | of course there's a chinese curry - I have them quite often |
| 07:58.16 | Leeds | and no, I don't have a job, yet |
| 07:58.36 | Leeds | the second interview is tomorrow - I'm pretty confident, but we'll have to see how things work, procedurally |
| 07:59.50 | niv_one_three | you seem like a plesent guy , charm them! |
| 08:00.00 | morsing | on 2924XL switch, what key do I press on the console to get a prompt? |
| 08:00.12 | morsing | niv_one_three: Have you ever met Leeds? |
| 08:00.33 | popey | heh |
| 08:10.01 | Leeds | I'm not particularly worried about the HR people... firstly, because I think I *can* charm them, and secondly because the guys actually hiring for the position want to hire me |
| 08:11.35 | niv_one_three | is it because of your sexual oriantation? |
| 08:12.15 | Leeds | the only question, really, apart from actual terms, is the visa thing - the techies pretty much laughed it off as "won't be a problem", but HR may disagree |
| 08:12.18 | niv_one_three | ok , that was a dam remark |
| 08:12.21 | Leeds | niv_one_three: I beg your pardon??? |
| 08:12.46 | niv_one_three | I assume HR is a lady... |
| 08:13.04 | Leeds | Candy |
| 08:13.12 | niv_one_three | always found myself thinking of making a pass after an interview.. |
| 08:13.24 | Leeds | or possibly Candi, Kandi, Kandy, etc. - never seen it written down |
| 08:13.55 | niv_one_three | I do admit I got a colorfull imagination sometoimes :-) |
| 08:13.56 | Leeds | she's Chinese, I'd guess, and sometimes they end up with slightly odd English names |
| 08:15.16 | Leeds | doubt that, somehow, and with the standard advice about not dating people from work - right now, I'd prefer a job |
| 08:15.57 | niv_one_three | me too usually, however this does cross my mind sometimes |
| 08:22.05 | niv_one_three | but yes, sex does sell. and weman are just as effected as man , when they feel wowed (courted?) |
| 08:22.10 | morsing | Leeds: *The* Candy? |
| 08:22.44 | Leeds | the? |
| 08:22.57 | morsing | As in Martin's wife? |
| 08:23.03 | Leeds | uh, I doubt it |
| 08:23.08 | morsing | Ok |
| 08:23.22 | morsing | She's a project manager at Tesco as well, so... |
| 08:24.04 | Leeds | so... not HR at a computer services company in HK then? |
| 08:24.36 | morsing | No, Tesco in MK |
| 08:24.46 | morsing | It might not be her then |
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| 08:31.58 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 08:32.47 | goibhniu | morsing! |
| 08:33.39 | morsing | My keyboard ha gone beserk since yesterday! It's like it has a mind of its own |
| 08:33.56 | morsing | Very difficult to use |
| 08:34.16 | morsing | on 2924XL switch, what key do I press on the console to get a prompt? |
| 08:36.12 | morsing | goibhniu? |
| 08:41.27 | morsing | Thanks |
| 08:42.12 | niv_one_three | offering him choclate in trade, go on... |
| 08:44.57 | morsing | Chocolate? |
| 08:50.24 | morsing | goibhniu: You suck! |
| 08:56.54 | gregj | hello bloody lucky guys |
| 09:01.48 | morsing | |
| 09:02.57 | morsing | *ggnnfff* |
| 09:40.00 | morsing | My PC just died completely |
| 09:41.53 | gregj | get a mac |
| 09:41.53 | gregj | :P |
| 09:48.53 | morsing | gregj: Where do I get a free one that doesn't over heat |
| 09:50.35 | gregj | buy PPC |
| 09:55.29 | gregj | no free macs I'm affraid |
| 09:55.29 | gregj | I wouldn't mind one with intel,but iMac |
| 09:55.46 | gregj | for mobile macs, I would still go with G4 - because of the heating problems. But same sort of problems you get with PCs anyway |
| 09:56.05 | gregj | I am sharping my teeth for a nice 24" iMac , or mac pro |
| 09:56.35 | gregj | would be ideal for making music and cutting movies, which is what I do most often on macs. Not too many clients down here, for mac software :/ |
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| 10:58.48 | z00dax | Morning |
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| 11:52.47 | goibhniu | gregj: macs are shit ... and they're often throwing them away on freecycle |
| 12:25.03 | morsing | Macs are shit |
| 12:25.08 | morsing | ibot wake wethrin |
| 12:25.42 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on wethrin and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
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| 12:47.46 | gregj | wakey wakey |
| 13:01.49 | hali | eggs and bakey |
| 13:08.14 | z00dax | meatballs ! |
| 13:09.19 | boudiccas | sossidges |
| 13:09.59 | hali | sossidges it is ... and eggs... and beans :P |
| 13:10.05 | hali | and tomatos! |
| 13:10.23 | boudiccas | sounds yummy |
| 13:13.23 | hali | hm, Happiness must be one of the most embarasing movies ever |
| 13:13.30 | hali | i can hardly watch it |
| 13:19.00 | goibhniu | :) it's beautiful |
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| 13:20.38 | hali | it is |
| 13:20.53 | goibhniu | I still wouldn't like to watch it with my parents though] |
| 13:20.55 | hali | i like it, but that guy trying to hit on the girl is quite sad :) |
| 13:21.09 | hali | "i'm gonna fuck you so hard, im gonna cum in your ears!" |
| 13:21.18 | hali | indeed, no! :L) |
| 13:21.41 | murray | got a box that won't power-off on shutdown ... get's as far as "Will now halt", then a bunch of text shows up, the screen goes blank and the OS is finished, but the power/fan are still on. |
| 13:22.13 | goibhniu | ahh I had that with a dynebolic live-cd before |
| 13:22.13 | murray | any ideas how to find out what that text is, before it kills the screen output? |
| 13:22.30 | hali | sounds like an apm/acpi issue |
| 13:22.32 | goibhniu | is it in /var/log/messages when you boot up again? |
| 13:25.08 | murray | nothing I can spot in var/log/messages |
| 13:25.31 | boudiccas | pull the plug! 100% success rate! never been knowingly beaten! |
| 13:26.44 | gregj | death fan ? |
| 13:26.45 | gregj | :D |
| 13:26.48 | gregj | 'pull the plug' |
| 13:27.04 | murray | hmm ... hard to do remotely tho :) |
| 13:27.05 | goibhniu | like hali says, have you tried booting with noacpi and acpi=false? |
| 13:27.17 | murray | I'll try the acpi boot options next |
| 13:27.32 | goibhniu | or is it acpi=off? |
| 13:28.19 | goibhniu | although that didn't seem to affect my dynabolic cd |
| 13:31.46 | murray | acpi=off did no good |
| 13:35.08 | murray | hmm, it would appear to be a usb dvb-t freeview stick. Disconnecting it makes it poweroff properly |
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| 13:42.42 | goibhniu | murray: maybe a different kernel? I don't have a clue though to be honest ... I guess the distro's forums would be the place to look |
| 13:43.22 | murray | thank goibhniu ... having a go at removing the kernel modules for the usb stick |
| 13:44.11 | murray | I've got one, listed by lsmod, that has no other modules on the right hand side (aka, it doesn't list any other modules that are using it), but removing it still fails with "module in use" |
| 13:45.59 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 13:46.20 | goibhniu | morsing: how are you feeling inside? |
| 13:46.58 | morsing | Empty |
| 13:47.10 | morsing | TwoSheds is a slave |
| 13:47.39 | goibhniu | murray: interesting, I have no idea if that's significant or if there's a way to see what the kernel thinks is using that module ... I would like to know though |
| 13:48.02 | goibhniu | morsing: is she getting one of the sheds? |
| 13:50.07 | morsing | goibhniu: Yes, he keeps going on about how he has to give her half of everything even though it's not true. And he jumps everytime she calls. He's been visiting her and her family all this weekend and is now not coming down for a drink with me. |
| 13:52.29 | goibhniu | morsing: people are fools for love ... have you ever seen any Fassbinder movies? |
| 13:53.54 | goibhniu | trousers ayt? |
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| 14:08.01 | morsing | goibhniu: I know... |
| 14:08.03 | morsing | ranner! |
| 14:10.32 | wethrin | hello |
| 14:18.31 | morsing | wethrin: Well, sort of but still not working |
| 14:18.48 | morsing | wethrin: Motherboard is broken I think. Need a new one |
| 14:18.53 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 14:19.01 | morsing | wethrin: How's the cool room? |
| 14:19.44 | wethrin | I'm not there! |
| 14:19.53 | morsing | wethrin: My VAX no longer shows any sensible on the console... |
| 14:20.00 | morsing | Do I need to press anything? |
| 14:21.12 | wethrin | Shouldn't.... |
| 14:21.52 | wethrin | It should show the POST progress |
| 14:22.23 | wethrin | there may be a little knob that needs to be turned to an appropriate position |
| 14:23.25 | boudiccas | 'now mr jones, you turn and face the window please!' ... thats the knittle nob turned |
| 14:23.34 | boudiccas | *little |
| 14:27.38 | morsing | wethrin: It has worked before. I just need to see how much memory it has but it just sings a melody at me... |
| 14:32.05 | wethrin | hm |
| 14:32.25 | morsing | What should the eeeeeeetrminal settings be? |
| 14:32.35 | morsing | Booodykeyboard! |
| 14:32.45 | wethrin | 9600 8n1 |
| 14:33.06 | morsing | Hmm.. it prnits less when set to that |
| 14:33.22 | morsing | !...3.... .. ...9.|.�4.4 .. |
| 14:33.55 | wethrin | too fast? |
| 14:34.19 | morsing | Idon't emember having these problems before |
| 14:35.02 | morsing | It's singing at me agai |
| 14:35.09 | wethrin | Weird |
| 14:36.32 | morsing | wethrin: Do y uhae one? |
| 14:36.48 | morsing | 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 14:36.53 | morsing | LOODY KEYBOARD |
| 14:36.54 | morsing | 2~ |
| 14:40.16 | wethrin | Not a 4000 |
| 14:42.02 | murray | if i want a command to run just before the machine finishes shutting down ... is it rc.local I want? And how do I ensure it happens as late as possible, and only when shutting down? |
| 14:51.13 | wethrin | You'd need to put something in /etc/rc0.d |
| 14:51.18 | morsing | Beer |
| 14:51.21 | wethrin | And rc6.d |
| 14:51.29 | wethrin | (distribution-dependent, of course) |
| 14:51.55 | murray | why rc6.d ? I simple want to run rmmod on a module as close to the end of shutdown as possible |
| 14:52.21 | wethrin | rc6 is the reboot |
| 14:52.32 | wethrin | Why do you want to unload the module before halt? |
| 14:52.34 | morsing | wtf? I can't respond a secnd em to an Ebay question?! |
| 14:52.40 | wethrin | Does it need to do some cleaning up? |
| 14:52.44 | murray | fab .. thanks |
| 14:53.15 | murray | mac mini, running ubuntu with a dvb-t usb stick. It shutsdown cleanly, but refuses to power-off with this particular usb stick connected |
| 14:53.23 | wethrin | hm |
| 14:53.31 | murray | I want to rmmod the appropriate module in order that it doesn't hang the power-down |
| 14:53.49 | murray | it appears to achieve the right results, with a script in K99 doing an rmmod on the appropriate thing |
| 14:54.00 | wethrin | Surely you can unload it at any time, then? |
| 14:54.02 | morsing | Right, well I can't answer all thes people' quetions then. >Crap |
| 14:55.23 | murray | wethrin : if I rmmod it when I'm logged in it says "module in use" ... but the right hand column of lsmod has " 1 " ... aka Used by 1, but does't list what |
| 14:55.59 | murray | thus I concluded if I tried to rmmod it as late as possible, then whatever was using it may have already quit |
| 14:56.12 | wethrin | Is that the process that's using it? |
| 14:56.51 | murray | don't think so ... how do I tell which process is using a kernel module? |
| 14:58.31 | wethrin | no idea |
| 14:58.44 | clive-h | Is that a hauppauge dvb-t device? |
| 14:58.47 | murray | heh, me either |
| 14:58.51 | murray | no, freecom |
| 14:58.59 | murray | cheapy cheapy from amazon |
| 14:59.11 | murray | aside from this, it works rather well |
| 14:59.26 | clive-h | The hauppauge ones load firmware to the stick |
| 14:59.45 | murray | I had to fetch updated firmware for it ... |
| 15:00.05 | morsing | 000000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 15:00.48 | murray | I now have /etc/rc0.d/K99 that contains rmmod ... line. And the machine powers down on shutdown. |
| 15:00.57 | murray | yay! thanks for the help |
| 15:01.14 | murray | reboot still doesn't power cycle correctly mind (even with the same script in rc6.d) |
| 15:01.52 | morsing | wethrin: ou forgot to remind me... |
| 15:02.26 | wethrin | hm? |
| 15:05.03 | morsing | My nephew's b'day |
| 15:05.12 | wethrin | you never said |
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| 15:13.11 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 15:14.21 | goibhniu | morsing! |
| 16:09.49 | goibhniu | any slackware i18n gurus available for questioning? |
| 16:17.38 | morsing | Nice |
| 16:19.49 | goibhniu | how about live-cd heroes (any distro)? |
| 16:32.35 | morsing | Nice |
| 16:33.52 | morsing | Beer |
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| 17:02.01 | gregj | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaIUkwPybtM&mode=related&search= |
| 17:02.26 | morsing | Beer |
| 17:04.06 | gregj | fuck |
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| 17:56.14 | wethrin | beer? |
| 18:01.27 | morsing | huw-l! |
| 18:08.07 | huw-l | evening |
| 18:09.36 | morsing | wethrin: What did you have for lunch? |
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| 18:32.03 | clive-h | I just had curry for dinner - king prawn sizzler |
| 18:36.05 | wethrin | morsing: Not beer |
| 18:37.42 | morsing | wethrin: Please, it's important |
| 18:38.02 | wethrin | Why's it important? |
| 18:38.11 | morsing | It's for my blog |
| 18:38.17 | wethrin | URL? |
| 18:38.24 | morsing | Not published yet |
| 18:39.12 | wethrin | whatwethrinhadforlunch.blogspot.com? |
| 18:39.41 | morsing | Yes - how did you guess |
| 18:40.12 | wethrin | You only ever ask me what I had for plunch |
| 18:40.18 | wethrin | Roast lamb, anyway |
| 18:40.22 | morsing | plunch? |
| 18:40.50 | morsing | ~seen sabinef72 |
| 18:41.17 | ibot | sabinef72 <i=sabinef7@barcelone.ipv6.popipo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 2d 10h 31m 8s ago, saying: 'morning all'. |
| 18:41.48 | wethrin | yes |
| 19:22.36 | goibhniu | hmm .. the guys next door have decided to have a bonfire .. the whole street is covered in smoke |
| 19:23.57 | wethrin | mmm...bonfires |
| 19:24.04 | wethrin | Go there and demand to cook sossidges in their fire |
| 19:24.46 | goibhniu | hmm .. molten plastic flavoured sossys |
| 19:29.08 | morsing | goibhniu: Give them beer |
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| 19:50.20 | antiphase | What did it say? |
| 19:50.28 | clive-h | lol |
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| 19:51.11 | zx80user | antiphase it said I had to stay home to wait for the enginner to appear between 8am and 6pm |
| 19:51.30 | antiphase | Pipe monkeys |
| 19:51.33 | clive-h | today? |
| 19:51.39 | zx80user | Fool that I am I waited until 4.50 to phone up and ask wtf he/she/it was |
| 19:51.47 | zx80user | yes today |
| 19:51.53 | clive-h | errr |
| 19:51.59 | clive-h | it's a sunday |
| 19:52.09 | zx80user | yes, they do visits on a Sunday |
| 19:52.10 | clive-h | they don't work sundays |
| 19:52.14 | zx80user | they do |
| 19:52.22 | clive-h | do they blimey |
| 19:52.40 | antiphase | I'd only expect them to be interested on a sUnday if your haouse was on fire |
| 19:52.42 | zx80user | they do if you have the right sort of maintenance contract |
| 19:53.08 | clive-h | oh i see |
| 19:53.10 | zx80user | no, you can actually arrange for them to turn up at a weekend (or not turnup even) |
| 19:53.14 | antiphase | Is that the high-fear "omfg your boiler is going to blow up and cost you a million pounds" contract? |
| 19:53.25 | clive-h | haha |
| 19:53.50 | antiphase | What would YOU do if you had no hot water in the middle of summer? |
| 19:54.01 | zx80user | antipahase - actually we get good value from it as our CH boiler is always needing readjustment and have you seen the cost of a new boiler? |
| 19:54.10 | clive-h | cold bath? |
| 19:54.10 | zx80user | antiphase - smell |
| 19:54.15 | antiphase | They tend to last for >10 years though |
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| 19:55.36 | zx80user | the contract costs about £70 so 10 years wouldn't cut it |
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| 21:05.11 | hali | most podcasts are :) |
| 21:05.18 | hali | i like the geekmuse podcast though |
| 21:05.53 | goibhniu | I don't think so ... it's this redhat/centos stuff that's boring me to tears |
| 21:05.59 | goibhniu | never heard of geekmuse |
| 21:08.39 | goibhniu | hmm ... looks like a podcast for people who wear polo-necks |
| 21:10.48 | hali | not really |
| 21:10.59 | hali | Nem schelck is more of a leather vest man :) |
| 21:11.56 | goibhniu | is that the new "vista look"? |
| 21:12.39 | hali | i thought the new vista look was more mini-skirt and thigh high boots? |
| 21:15.53 | hali | oh, ice cream |
| 21:16.03 | goibhniu | you obviously have a more intimate relationship with this stuff ... I'll take your word for it |
| 21:19.06 | clive-h | errk vista is bloody slow |
| 21:19.12 | goibhniu | hali: don't forget to use protection |
| 21:20.10 | hali | hm, i must say vmware workstation version 6 is damn fast |
| 21:20.37 | hali | running opensolaris in a vm.. |
| 21:21.23 | goibhniu | I windows games running on wine on linux are much faster than running natively on vista |
| 21:21.37 | goibhniu | s/I/I hear/ |
| 21:35.03 | goibhniu | I also heard vista lets you resize ntfs partitions ... kinda handy! |
| 21:41.19 | clive-h | so does gparted |
| 21:41.34 | clive-h | though it broke this laptop |
| 21:49.08 | clive-h | I must put a 64 bit os on my amsd |
| 21:49.11 | clive-h | amd |
| 21:50.18 | goibhniu | plugins on firefox can be a bit weird after hibernation |
| 21:50.30 | goibhniu | restarting firefox usually does the trick though |
| 21:50.43 | goibhniu | I haven't had any other issues |
| 21:50.52 | clive-h | i'm still running 32 bit on emt64 kit |
| 21:51.13 | goibhniu | I hear there isn't much difference in performance anyway |
| 21:51.54 | clive-h | I'll go 64 bit when Fedora 7 ships I think |
| 21:52.44 | rhowe | 13G database, probably 90% empty |
| 21:53.02 | clive-h | errk |
| 21:53.34 | clive-h | big waste of space then |
| 21:54.27 | rhowe | well this should reclaim all that space |
| 21:54.33 | rhowe | Just not very quickly... |
| 21:55.00 | clive-h | aye |
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| 22:18.08 | hali | ugh, the 2.6.21 changelog is massive |
| 22:18.43 | goibhniu | is it true that there's only one good kernel a year? |
| 22:20.07 | antiphase | It'll be like Windows before long |
| 22:20.33 | antiphase | Once Ubuntu gets going, there'll be worms for it, then we'll all be fucked again |
| 22:24.28 | rhowe | hali: Most 2.6.x changelogs are big |
| 22:24.44 | rhowe | hali: libata's undergoing some change at the moment, so .21 might be a bit iffy for ATA support |
| 22:27.47 | hali | i miss the 2.0.x days, new release every couple of weeks :) |
| 22:57.19 | rhowe | "4oD is only available to UK and Republic of Ireland residents, and those with a Windows XP PC with IE 5.5 or over, Windows Media Player 10 or over and a broadband connection." |
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